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Speaker 1: wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome back to the Buck Brief.

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Speaker 1: David Harsanyi in the mix. Our friend who is a

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Speaker 1: senior editor at The Federalist got great pieces up at

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Speaker 1: the Federalist dot com. David, I want to jump right

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Speaker 1: into it, the democracy versus republic debate. Libs are upset

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Speaker 1: about this that we keep saying it's a republic not

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Speaker 1: a democracy. But then why do they care and keep

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Speaker 1: saying it's a democracy not a republic. I feel like

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Speaker 1: they want to have it both ways. But what's really

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Speaker 1: at the heart of this argument that is breaking out

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Speaker 1: in the media, at least in this election year.

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Speaker 2: Well, CNN sent this reporter down to some Trump ave

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Speaker 2: at to try embarrass you know, Trump supporters who can't

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Speaker 2: explain the difference with like you know, political science, you

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Speaker 2: know specit, you know specifically what the difference and distinction is.

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Speaker 2: So I found it interesting because the guy who was

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Speaker 2: doing it said that, oh, there's a debate. You know,

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Speaker 2: some people say we're a direct democracy, you know so,

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Speaker 2: But well.

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Speaker 1: I think which we definitely are not. That is definitely

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Speaker 1: not the case.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no debate. So, yes, democracies use the shorthand right.

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Speaker 2: People have used it for a long time to explain

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Speaker 2: what I think at least are like constitutional idea, self determination,

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Speaker 2: individual rights, things like that. But I've noticed in the

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Speaker 2: last few years they get mad when you use republic

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Speaker 2: because they are actually quite majoritarian now that they think

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Speaker 2: they have the upper hand. So they want to get

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Speaker 2: rid of the electoral college, they want to get rid

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Speaker 2: of the filibuster. They don't like the idea of to

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Speaker 2: see Senate to sences for each state, they want, you know,

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Speaker 2: and stuff like that. So they want a direct democracy

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Speaker 2: that's very centralized and very powerful. So I think it's

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Speaker 2: about time that people start calling it a republic, which

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Speaker 2: we are, and not a democracy, which means a lot

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Speaker 2: of things. So I don't know why they get mad.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I do know why they get mad because

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Speaker 2: you're being more specific about what you believe. And we

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Speaker 2: have a lot of non democratic, anti majority or counter

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Speaker 2: majoritarian institutions as well, and people don't respect them anymore,

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Speaker 2: like the Supreme Court, for instance. So anyway, that's what

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Speaker 1: Is well, I think we have well, also, whenever they

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Speaker 1: bring up the electoral college, if they lose, the electoral

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Speaker 1: college is a vestige of a bygone era of exploitation,

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Speaker 1: and there's no reason for the continuation of this. You know.

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Speaker 1: They basically want to eliminate the notion of federalism and

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Speaker 1: the power of states, and they're pretty open about that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, states created the United States, not the reverse. You know, Listen,

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Speaker 2: they don't care. Honestly, they don't care what the Constitution

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Speaker 2: wrote this piece about it, and I just explained why

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Speaker 2: I think there is a distinction, and it's okay to

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Speaker 2: say republic and but you know, and the blowback on

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Speaker 2: it is immense. You know why it's I think it's

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Speaker 2: because they are entire case for this election because they

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Speaker 2: everything is about Trump, right, you can't mention anything that

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Speaker 2: isn't about Trump. To them. Whole elections about saving democracy,

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Speaker 2: which can mean whatever they want it to mean. So

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Speaker 2: they don't like the idea that you might be more

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Speaker 2: specific about what we're talking about. You know, when Biden

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Speaker 2: just does the student loan thing, for instance, he's undermining

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Speaker 2: actually what democracy is about here. But they want to

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Speaker 2: include that sort of thing in democracy. So that's I

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Speaker 2: think at least what makes them so mad about this debate.

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Speaker 1: It is also I don't know, maybe we could say

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Speaker 1: it's ironic or it's just they're just something bizarre about

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Speaker 1: They're upset that they think Trump is a threat to democracy,

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, the threat to democracy is

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Speaker 1: that's theoretically possible, but you know, really.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing it's to be. It's just Calvin Ball,

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Speaker 2: you know. I mean when Dobbs came out and they

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Speaker 2: So in essence, you can't really win with them. But

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Speaker 2: I do think there is, you know, an underlying problem

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Speaker 2: I think that a lot of people who don't pay

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Speaker 2: It's if it's authoritarian. And I think a lot of

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Speaker 2: an important debate to have, and I don't think we

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Speaker 1: This is also why I thought the experience of COVID

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Speaker 1: but enough Americans went nuts that they made people do

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Speaker 2: Now that that was the most eye opening and dangerous

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Speaker 2: our liberty is the way we just gave in and

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Speaker 2: let them shut down a church or let them, you know,

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Speaker 2: keep us in our homes or destroy our businesses because

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Speaker 2: they told us most people wanted that or helped, you know,

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Speaker 2: you know, and they were demagogues, you know, and scaremongerers.

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Speaker 2: I think that's everything Madison was worried about in like

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Speaker 2: Federalist ten. You know, and.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen Fauci by the way, go on, he

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Speaker 1: actually said in response to there are people who want

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Speaker 1: to lock you up, he said, what am I guilty

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Speaker 1: of saving millions of lives? He actually said, that's true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's something else. He wants to have it both

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Speaker 2: ways where I have no power, but also I'm saving

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Speaker 2: all these lives. Well, either you had the power and

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Speaker 2: you didn't save any lives. Right, it can't be both ways,

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Speaker 2: you know, And he didn't save any lives anyway.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm to me, that's it's such a it's such

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Speaker 1: a test of of of of wisdom, whether you have

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Speaker 1: worth listening to at all they have they are completely

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Speaker 1: lacking in introspection, judgment, and wisdom.

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Speaker 2: Like it's it's.

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Speaker 1: Gone beyond the like, oh, I kind of understand how

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Speaker 1: you're just you're willfully in the cult you know he's

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Speaker 1: loathsome beyond words. I'm gonna come and ask you in

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Speaker 1: a second, David, about what you think is gonna Let's

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Speaker 1: how it goes down, right, I mean, how do you

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Speaker 2: I'm with you, actually, I think could go either way,

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Speaker 2: But I think there's a danger there for Republicans actually,

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Speaker 2: OHI they're column after column telling people how crazy to

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Speaker 1: What do you make of the of the polling, the

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Speaker 2: Point, I should preface this by like, I'm not a

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Speaker 2: They don't seem real to me, you know, like I

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Speaker 2: know that Trump voters have been undercounted in many elections,

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Speaker 1: Have you ever met it? I mean, I mean this honestly, Like,

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Speaker 2: No, No, I mean I've written about this, and not

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Speaker 2: This because personality it appeal to people. There's an excitement

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Speaker 2: I just don't think people are excited about him for

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Speaker 1: It feels like that's just not there's no way that

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Speaker 1: that can come with these things. So we'll see mister Arson.

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Speaker 1: You always a pleasure, sir, Thank you for your insights,

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Speaker 1: and we will go check out David's latest at the

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Speaker 1: federalist dot com and we'll see you all again soon.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, thanks for having me, Thank you.