Speaker 1: Is the Dallascowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war room
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Speaker 1: your host, Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 2: Today is January fourteenth, twenty twenty five, and we are officially.
Speaker 3: One hundred days away.
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Speaker 2: We've got Zach Wolchuck Brian brought us, Nick Harris, Tommy Yarish.
Speaker 4: I'm Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 2: As we welcome you in, We've also got breaking news
Speaker 2: from yesterday after the show was recorded. Within minutes of
Speaker 2: the show being recorded, then the news finally broke that
Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy is out as Dallas Cowboys head coach. I
Speaker 2: even got a call from Zach Walchuk. You We're like
Speaker 2: in the car on your way back to the radio station.
Speaker 3: What just happened? Is this real? Is this real? Well?
Speaker 3: Is this real? You confirm? This is this?
Speaker 2: What's happening. It was indeed real and it did indeed happen.
Speaker 2: So where does that leave us, Brian whenever it comes
Speaker 2: to the NFL draft, how much does that affect things
Speaker 2: now that McCarthy is no longer expected to be the
Speaker 2: head coach.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they've Now you turn into the mode of okay,
Speaker 3: you have an idea maybe who the next coach will be,
Speaker 3: you know, and as a staff, then you have to
Speaker 3: go back and then look at these players that I'm
Speaker 3: not saying rejected, but maybe when the staff new staff
Speaker 3: comes in, you now have to turn around and then
Speaker 3: reevaluate players that you put like on a hold list.
Speaker 3: And so they won't be able to do anything until
Speaker 3: they figure out there the scheme with the coach. So
Speaker 3: the you know, now if the Jones family and Will
Speaker 3: wants to try and hire somebody similar scheme wise, you
Speaker 3: know where before three three four, they they can kind
Speaker 3: of adapt to that. They have an idea of you know,
Speaker 3: the guys that maybe are on their list, like, okay,
Speaker 3: we have to be ready for this. But what they're
Speaker 3: going to do is they have a bunch of players
Speaker 3: that they put what they call on hold, and so
Speaker 3: now you have to go back, and they they give
Speaker 3: these players a grade, say they call them a nine,
Speaker 3: and so they give them a grade of a nine,
Speaker 3: and then all of a sudden, they can go back
Speaker 3: and look at all they can pull. Now, with the
Speaker 3: way computers are, you can pull all your nine grades
Speaker 3: and then say, okay, to any of these guys fit
Speaker 3: into the new scheme that we're going to run, or
Speaker 3: is it or there's a scheme similar to what we're
Speaker 3: going to run and we're not going to need. But
Speaker 3: they'll go back and they'll pull all those players. And
Speaker 3: once they pull all those players, then they can go
Speaker 3: back and determine they don't completely get rid of players.
Speaker 3: They put them in that holding area and then you know,
Speaker 3: once they know that, okay, here's our scheme. Let's look
Speaker 3: at all our players. This fits. Let's bring guys back.
Speaker 3: So that's what they're going to be working on right now,
Speaker 3: is they're going to try and get an idea of
Speaker 3: what direction they're going to go. The front office will say, hey,
Speaker 3: here we are, this is likely who the guys we're
Speaker 3: talking to. We have to be ready for this scheme,
Speaker 3: this scheme and this scheme with these three guys, and
Speaker 3: so you know, that just puts the scouts really on
Speaker 3: hold right now. They continue to do the stuff getting
Speaker 3: ready for the bowl games and stuff, but they just
Speaker 3: have to know now that they're going to have to
Speaker 3: potentially go and pull those nine players, those nine graded players,
Speaker 3: and bring them back to life for potential evaluation going forward.
Speaker 5: I would imagine it makes it more extensive too, because
Speaker 5: if you have a head coach in place, you have
Speaker 5: a system in place, Yeah, and you look at a player,
Speaker 5: you can say, oh, that's not a.
Speaker 3: Guy for us.
Speaker 5: That's not Yeah, it could be a guy where like, hey,
Speaker 5: that's a good player, but he's not a guy for us.
Speaker 5: Now you look at that player even more because you
Speaker 5: don't know who the head coaches got. Yeah, circle back
Speaker 5: on that guy. So I would imagine there's more work.
Speaker 3: There there, you know. I I've always thought that there
Speaker 3: was a way that that these players if they're not
Speaker 3: a guy. For example, the Steelers have had three head
Speaker 3: coaches in the last you know, if you look at
Speaker 3: Chuck Knowle's history Steels, Yeah, Is Cower and Tomlin they've had,
Speaker 3: but they've had the same scheme throughout, so their scouts
Speaker 3: know exactly the type of players. So that doesn't change
Speaker 3: for them.
Speaker 4: Baltimore.
Speaker 3: Baltimore is another one. Yeah, exactly. So see that's where
Speaker 3: you're at. Uh. You know, it's not that they reject players.
Speaker 3: They'll do the grades. If they go to a school
Speaker 3: and they've got ten players at Ohio State, they will
Speaker 3: evaluate all ten players. It's not like, well wait a minute,
Speaker 3: this guy doesn't fit in our scheme and I'm not
Speaker 3: gonna do him. I'm just gonna immediately reject him. So
Speaker 3: they have grades on these guys or information on these guys.
Speaker 3: But like I said, they give them a knot for
Speaker 3: us grade, which you know could be like say it
Speaker 3: could be a nine, you still a number. Say it's
Speaker 3: a nine, and that means not for us, somebody else.
Speaker 3: That's somebody else. Well, now you now you have to
Speaker 3: go pull those guys. You just have to sort them
Speaker 3: all out and say, Okay, who are all the nine
Speaker 3: guys that fit? Because what happens is you get coaches
Speaker 3: that are coming here. They're gonna like we play with
Speaker 3: press corners, we want length, or we want we are
Speaker 3: a coach. No, we play a lot of off coverage.
Speaker 3: We don't need length, we need you know, we need
Speaker 3: this or you know especial. Hey, this team plays with
Speaker 3: this scheme, plays with a defensive plays with a nose
Speaker 3: tackle big nose. They no, no, we don't need a
Speaker 3: big nose. We need more threes. That's where they're at
Speaker 3: right now. They're gonna have to determine which of these
Speaker 3: guys now that when they get to the evaluation side
Speaker 3: of it, like and they'll be and maybe there'll not
Speaker 3: be a ton of guys they bring back, but there'll
Speaker 3: be some guys that they that they have in that
Speaker 3: holding area. And you know, depending on scheme, they could
Speaker 3: very well bring back for evaluation.
Speaker 5: When would you say is the last day that they
Speaker 5: need to make a hire before it just becomes too
Speaker 5: much work before the draft to to go back and.
Speaker 6: Look at everybody.
Speaker 3: You know, I that's scouts are really used to adapting
Speaker 3: to whatever they have to do, you know. And I
Speaker 3: say that is I can't give you a specific date.
Speaker 3: I think that what you want to be able to do, though,
Speaker 3: is you know, we've we've seen this go to like
Speaker 3: All Star Games. We've seen like coaches you know, get changed,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden we're at the Senior Bowl
Speaker 3: and now they're having to answer ask or answer questions
Speaker 3: about interviews and stuff. And the Senior Bowl is a
Speaker 3: terrible place to go if you have to hire a coach.
Speaker 6: I think that's going to be the reality.
Speaker 4: Well, and that's that's what came in my mind, was
Speaker 4: like what you like it done by the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 3: Well, what happens then is like, you know, these guys
Speaker 3: here they are trying to evaluate players, and then they're
Speaker 3: standing there and then everybody who's out of a gig,
Speaker 3: the Chicago Bear guys all, you know, everybody, the Jet guys,
Speaker 3: everybody that's out of a gig right now, and some
Speaker 3: coach just maybe trying to get back, are going up
Speaker 3: to general managers sitting in the stands. Hey, I'm Brian
Speaker 3: brought us. Oh yeah, hi Brian, Yeah, oh yeah, Well
Speaker 3: hey you know if you need and you know, this
Speaker 3: is where I'm at. Da da da da da. And
Speaker 3: now you you can't get away from that. You're you're
Speaker 3: spending the majority of your evaluation period shaking hands with
Speaker 3: Brian Broadest and others that are trying to find jobs
Speaker 3: instead of scouting your instead of scouting yeah, instead of yeah,
Speaker 3: you're you're now having to and maybe you could set
Speaker 3: some things up at your hotel room. You get a suite,
Speaker 3: you set some things up and like meetings with this guy.
Speaker 3: I mean, but if but these general managers there, if
Speaker 3: somebody's hunting a job, the Senior Bowl is a terrible
Speaker 3: place to I mean because you can't evaluate. But if
Speaker 3: you set things up and do it the right way,
Speaker 3: but you can get inundated with guys and gals hunting
Speaker 3: jobs and not be able to watch practice and not
Speaker 3: know what's going on, like what happened today? Well yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: well Cat, I spent spent the first practice today watching
Speaker 3: it talking to people about jobs. You know, it could
Speaker 3: be a very difficult thing to have.
Speaker 4: To it's the LinkedIn Senior Bowl, but it really is.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, if you're if you're Jerry Jones
Speaker 3: and he does sit in the crowd, yeah, it doesn't
Speaker 3: mean Jerry Jones is like every other scout that's there
Speaker 3: up in the stands with his guys and gals up there,
Speaker 3: and they're sitting up there watching and you know, not
Speaker 3: to say that. Everybody goes, you know, hiking up there
Speaker 3: and sees Jerry Jones. But if you run into Jerry Jones,
Speaker 3: you're going to take an opportunity to shake his hand. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, that's kind of how this thing works, especially
Speaker 3: if you're looking for a job.
Speaker 2: So you talked about the adjusting that scouts would have
Speaker 2: to do. Yeah, I mean, there's no way that I
Speaker 2: didn't answer the next question worth a damn, and I'm
Speaker 2: sorry you did your good But you said you said the.
Speaker 4: Senior Bowl would be a significant portion. So that's an answer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But the way they have to adjust, they're gonna
Speaker 2: have to adjust on the fly whatever the draft process brings,
Speaker 2: yether it's twenty twenty five or twenty twenty four, whether
Speaker 2: you have a head coach or whether you don't. But
Speaker 2: there's just a significant and jump in that direction. And Tommy,
Speaker 2: I'll allude this to you with what's the biggest adjustment
Speaker 2: now not having those head coaches to kind of lean
Speaker 2: back on and continue to have those conversations.
Speaker 7: Well, I think it's kind of what Brian was alluding
Speaker 7: to in terms of when now you've got to figure
Speaker 7: out what your scheme's going to look like. And the
Speaker 7: scheme has so much to do with what you want
Speaker 7: to do in the draft and especially what you want
Speaker 7: to do in free agency.
Speaker 4: We were talking about well in position coaches too exactly.
Speaker 7: And we were talking about this yesterday on our emergency
Speaker 7: podcast after they had announced the decision to move on
Speaker 7: from Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 8: Is.
Speaker 7: Well, now you've got to find alignment from your front office,
Speaker 7: to your coaching staff, to your roster. And I think
Speaker 7: that that's maybe part of the shortcomings with Mike McCarthy's
Speaker 7: time in Dallas is at times, especially in this twenty
Speaker 7: twenty four season, there was an alignment between all three
Speaker 7: because there were certain pieces on the roster that Mike
Speaker 7: felt like maybe he didn't have control over, and that
Speaker 7: just can't happen if the Cowboys want to be serious
Speaker 7: playoff contenders. So when it comes to this draft, especially
Speaker 7: when you have a team that's been kind of leaning
Speaker 7: in what they want to do in free agency and
Speaker 7: leaning in how they want to spend their money in
Speaker 7: the cap, sometimes you've got to build through the draft,
Speaker 7: and so it's important to have you know an idea
Speaker 7: of what you're looking for when that Senior Bowl comes around,
Speaker 7: because then even if you are having to shake hands
Speaker 7: and kiss babies at that point in time, like it's
Speaker 7: a job interview, at least you can be like you
Speaker 7: can have an idea of what you're looking for instead
Speaker 7: of Okay, we're gonna look at those nine guys and
Speaker 7: kind of re evaluate.
Speaker 3: Yeah, see, this is too where you go real quick
Speaker 3: if I could Zach, this is where you know, having
Speaker 3: like dan Quinn in place gets you dron Blant, right,
Speaker 3: you know, having that where dan Quinn was a roll
Speaker 3: up his sleeves and go shoulder to shoulder with the
Speaker 3: scouts and go out and hit workouts and things like that.
Speaker 3: You know, I mean they didn't hit on all the guys.
Speaker 3: I mean the Kentucky kids were an Apple absolute disaster.
Speaker 4: Joseph, Yeah, Banna.
Speaker 3: And oh yeah they had they've had some problems there
Speaker 3: and so yeah, but that's going to happen along the way.
Speaker 3: But they did. You know, you're not going to be
Speaker 3: able to you you have an idea. When you have
Speaker 3: dan Quinn and Joe Witt and others in the building,
Speaker 3: you're able to go and look at Deron Bland at
Speaker 3: Fresno and kind of figure out, Okay, this guy, this
Speaker 3: guy that fits for.
Speaker 4: Us is in Brian. Since you've been around it, run
Speaker 4: under aft yourself and have been around different organizations and
Speaker 4: see how they do it is that more important here
Speaker 4: in Dallas, that continuity and the communication. It seems like
Speaker 4: the catball dry or so than any other team might
Speaker 4: like that with their coaching staff, them being involved, them saying, hey,
Speaker 4: this is what I want a player, this is what
Speaker 4: I'd like to do here, Whereas I mean maybe in
Speaker 4: Green Bay maybe that was something with Mike McCarthy wasn't
Speaker 4: used to that in Greenland.
Speaker 3: Oh no, he.
Speaker 4: Comes to Dallas. Now, Will mcclay's like, hey, what do
Speaker 4: you think you know?
Speaker 3: And this is new.
Speaker 4: This is kind of a learning and just not every
Speaker 4: team operates that way, but for the Cowboys might be
Speaker 4: more important than the other thirty one teams to get
Speaker 4: that coaching staff in place so they can get that
Speaker 4: communication with the scouts on what they want, what they're
Speaker 4: looking for.
Speaker 3: Yeah, these head coaches, Mike McCarthy did not when he
Speaker 3: walked through the door in Dallas. He was like, whoa,
Speaker 3: I get to have a say in this. Teddy Thompson,
Speaker 3: you know, they talked to the coaches and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: but not to the extent that a lot of teams do.
Speaker 3: And so yeah, it's it's really this This organization thrives
Speaker 3: on communication as far as having opinions, you know. I
Speaker 3: mean that's why I think some of the reasons why
Speaker 3: it takes him so long to make a decision, because
Speaker 3: they do solicit opinions, you know, and and that can
Speaker 3: kind of slow you down a little bit. But you know,
Speaker 3: having having that the head coach every every you know,
Speaker 3: when I worked in the front the scouting department here,
Speaker 3: whether you're Dave Campbo or Chan Gaily or Bill Parcells,
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. If you want to take an active
Speaker 3: role in personnel, the Joneses will allow you to do that.
Speaker 3: As a head coach, I thought Jason Garrett was an
Speaker 3: outstanding evaluator. I think a lot of it had to
Speaker 3: do with sitting with his dad every day. Yeah, Jim
Speaker 3: at times was very very good. But I think that
Speaker 3: there's some coaches that have an eye for this and
Speaker 3: there's sums that are not. John Gruden is one of
Speaker 3: my best friends. John Gruden is a terrible evaluator. I mean,
Speaker 3: if he if he were to be the head coach here,
Speaker 3: I would my suggestion would be, don't let John help
Speaker 3: you pick the players, you know. But Johnson. John's a
Speaker 3: good football coach. But there's certain guys that have the
Speaker 3: ability to evaluate from that coaching position.
Speaker 2: So with McCarthy moving on, Nick, how does that affect
Speaker 2: Will McClay now, Because whether it was their relationship or
Speaker 2: the contract that in question moving forward, there was always
Speaker 2: a little question mark around will McClay following this year
Speaker 2: in his future in Dallas? Does this affect it one
Speaker 2: way or the other at all?
Speaker 6: I don't think necessarily.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 5: There's not a ton of GM openings this cycle, and
Speaker 5: even with the ones that are open, mcclay's name hasn't
Speaker 5: been thrown around, so I think McClay was staying Regardless,
Speaker 5: I think the long term of McLay is now probably
Speaker 5: a bigger question than the short term and how much
Speaker 5: say does he have in the next choice And if
Speaker 5: he's a big voice in that room, then that probably
Speaker 5: tells you the long term security of him here in Dallas.
Speaker 5: But if they bring in a guy and it's like, hey,
Speaker 5: he will introduce you here to Doug Peterson or whoever,
Speaker 5: then I think that kind of tells you long term
Speaker 5: kind of what the vision is as far as Will
Speaker 5: mcclay's role not only in this building but front office
Speaker 5: specifically when it comes to making decisions.
Speaker 2: No, that's interesting because when you look at the draft process,
Speaker 2: he's kind of the head honcho.
Speaker 3: Right, he does it. He's done a damn good job.
Speaker 3: And you know, and we always talk about the triangle.
Speaker 3: The jones is being on top of the triangle, the
Speaker 3: scout's being on one point, and then the coaches on
Speaker 3: the other point, and Will is in the middle, in
Speaker 3: the middle of the storm, and he does a really
Speaker 3: good job of navigating that. These coaches get mad at
Speaker 3: the scouts, the scouts get mad at the Joneses, the
Speaker 3: Joneses are mad at the coaches. Will does a really
Speaker 3: good job of making sure that that being mad stays
Speaker 3: in that room and it doesn't go outside that room.
Speaker 3: He's done an excellent job of putting together these boards
Speaker 3: and you have to give him a lot of credit
Speaker 3: because there were some times where you know, and I
Speaker 3: love Tom Saskowski and you know, Jeff Ireland I worked
Speaker 3: with here, and you know, those guys very qualified guys.
Speaker 3: But when you're not able to control all three parties,
Speaker 3: you're not going to have much success here. This is
Speaker 3: just the way that they operates. It's unique to any
Speaker 3: other organization you'll ever be in, and ever work in.
Speaker 2: So Mike McCarthy and the ripple effects will be felt
Speaker 2: until they fill in a potential suitor.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but the scouts, the scouts will be ready to go.
Speaker 3: They've got their nine guys what I'm calling them nine guys,
Speaker 3: the guys that they need to potentially bring back. And
Speaker 3: you know, like I say, the Joneses, Steven will be
Speaker 3: communicating to Will, Hey, these are the coaches we're looking at.
Speaker 3: And then okay, now it turns into let's meet about
Speaker 3: these schemes. You know, what are these coaches? What are
Speaker 3: they going to like? And then you kind of try
Speaker 3: and get ahead of the game that way. All right,
Speaker 3: let's take our first break.
Speaker 2: When we come back, I want to do a little
Speaker 2: accountability session. I want to talk about the twenty twenty
Speaker 2: four draft.
Speaker 3: So what did you get right?
Speaker 4: So we'll go good, we got good?
Speaker 3: It was all wrong?
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Speaker 2: about accountability, Brian. You always have to learn from your
Speaker 2: mistakes and you got to learn from your successes. At
Speaker 2: the same time, I've got two guys. I want two
Speaker 2: guys from you, guys and the evaluation that you had
Speaker 2: last year.
Speaker 4: That you got right, and I want two guys that
Speaker 4: you got wrong.
Speaker 2: And this could be either be either mean you were
Speaker 2: over evaluating under evaluating and.
Speaker 4: Then they ended up being one way or the other. Nick.
Speaker 2: I'll start with you because I know there are a
Speaker 2: couple of names that Cowboys and Draft show fans are
Speaker 2: waiting to hear.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and there's one that I definitely have to have
Speaker 5: to jump out with right off the top, and it's
Speaker 5: Bo Nix and mister Nicks, I request your apologies. I
Speaker 5: had them number seventy seven on my board last year.
Speaker 5: I just I thought, a surprise, you'll at him that high.
Speaker 5: Honestly me too. It was I just checked it and
Speaker 5: I was like, wow, really that doesn't sound right.
Speaker 10: But I.
Speaker 6: Thought his ceiling was limited.
Speaker 5: I thought he had hit that ceiling in college with
Speaker 5: all the experience that he had now granted, whenever he
Speaker 5: got drafted to the Broncos on draft night, that was
Speaker 5: the first time I.
Speaker 6: Was like, oh, I'm gonna end up being wrong here,
Speaker 6: aren't I.
Speaker 5: Because it just makes sense him and Sean pay and
Speaker 5: that's a that's a good marriage and it worked out.
Speaker 5: So Bo Nicks, that's probably my first wrong. You want
Speaker 5: me to go all the way through here, Uh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, do your two wrongs and then we'll come back around.
Speaker 6: I'll go wrong, right, Okay, Okay, two rocks, two wrongs.
Speaker 5: Shoot, I just had him and I closed out of it.
Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, I'm gonna go all right, sorry, Okay,
Speaker 5: that's off the page here, all right. My number one
Speaker 5: corner on my board, my number eight overall player, Quinon Mitchell.
Speaker 6: And I, uh he was.
Speaker 5: He's a He was the third place guy for corner
Speaker 5: for All Pro listing, so he just missed out being
Speaker 5: on an All Pro team. Playing with the Eagles this
Speaker 5: last year, I really slammed the table for Quannon Mitchell,
Speaker 5: so I'm I'm glad it worked out for him.
Speaker 6: Number eight overall player on my board.
Speaker 4: Give me one in the other Brian one right, one wrong.
Speaker 3: I was completely right about Brock Bowers. I had him
Speaker 3: as the sixth best player on my board at year.
Speaker 3: I was completely wrong. Much like with Nicks, I was
Speaker 3: wrong about Drake May. Oh, Drake May. I had Drake
Speaker 3: May at twenty eight, but should have been a lot higher.
Speaker 3: We all had those those defensive linemen all shoved up there.
Speaker 3: Actually those offensive tackles, excuse me, they were all kind
Speaker 3: of shoved up at the top of the board. I
Speaker 3: think that the guy to me because, like I say,
Speaker 3: when you start to talk about where Drake May or
Speaker 3: Nicks should have been. I had Dallas Dallas Turner the
Speaker 3: Alabama edge at twelve. That's a wrong yep, right there,
Speaker 3: So I mean as you had him that high, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's where I had him. So I felt like that
Speaker 3: for the most part, these quarterbacks, I kind of missed
Speaker 3: on them that way. I did the rally with my
Speaker 3: quarterback though, I had Jane Daniels at four, so you know,
Speaker 3: kind of you know, you kind of got it. You know,
Speaker 3: you're some of these are going to be good. Also,
Speaker 3: Brian Thomas was another one that I had right on
Speaker 3: my board as well, so you know that LSU. But
Speaker 3: these I have a really good feel for these receivers,
Speaker 3: you know when they come out and what they can do.
Speaker 3: But those two quarterbacks straight May and bo Nicks, I
Speaker 3: did not give them nearly enough credit in this coming
Speaker 3: up this pass draft.
Speaker 4: M h, what do you think, Zach right, I think
Speaker 4: we could go with Cooper Bebe. That one ended up
Speaker 4: hitting pretty hard there here locally in Dallas. He's your
Speaker 4: starter for the next decade. And he definitely is a
Speaker 4: guy that slid in at center and was pretty good
Speaker 4: as a rookie. Do I still think as a guard
Speaker 4: the dude could end up being an All pro I
Speaker 4: do as a center, I think he's going to be
Speaker 4: a good steady player for you. There were moments, I
Speaker 4: think we all like some of the penalties, a couple
Speaker 4: of snaps went a little bit high, But overall, for
Speaker 4: a rookie center who played the position for his first year,
Speaker 4: I think Cooper Bebe was a big time hit. You
Speaker 4: guys know my affinity for him. In last year's draft,
Speaker 4: just to.
Speaker 5: Back you up, of all rookie offensive linemen with at
Speaker 5: least four hundred snaps, he had the second lowest pressure rate.
Speaker 3: That's amazing. That's amazing.
Speaker 4: And I actually I think Barton was up there as well.
Speaker 4: I mean Barton, I had him really really high and
Speaker 4: he ended up having a good year.
Speaker 3: Could you have gone Cooper and Cooper? Did you? Where'd
Speaker 3: you have Cooper?
Speaker 6: Did Genen?
Speaker 4: I had twentieth best player?
Speaker 3: Yeah, there you go. You see? To me, was that's
Speaker 3: a that's a right? I know I had him at
Speaker 3: twenty nine. He was one of the guys I was
Speaker 3: considering as a right. Yeah. With being at twenty nine,
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 4: Tough because the secondary player I missed the most on
Speaker 4: was probably Bullock from USC who ended up having a
Speaker 4: fantastic with the Texans. The thing for me was I
Speaker 4: wanted to playim at corner. I thought with his size,
Speaker 4: his ball skills, I was like, you know what, I
Speaker 4: don't know that I want to playhim at safety. I
Speaker 4: thought he looked way too skinny. I didn't love his
Speaker 4: ability to be able to fill and get physical in
Speaker 4: the run. He had a hell of a year. I
Speaker 4: mean the ball skills translated. I saw that autely and
Speaker 4: so that like I didn't get the evaluation completely wrong,
Speaker 4: but I had him way too low. Ninety seventh best player,
Speaker 4: and he was on a lot of all rookie teams
Speaker 4: when you look at it, like at least a second
Speaker 4: team member. He was a fantastic player this year. No,
Speaker 4: that's a good one, Tommy. Do you want to go
Speaker 4: with yours?
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 7: So I wasn't on the draft show obviously last course,
Speaker 7: but scouts on are here in terms of what.
Speaker 4: It's just not on recording. It's right exactly.
Speaker 7: I was right about Mike Sayners still from Michigan. I
Speaker 7: thought he played really well in Yeah, sorry.
Speaker 6: Nick, were you right about about to talk about it?
Speaker 7: Yeah, but Mike Sander's still from the corner, the slot
Speaker 7: corner from Michigan who played really well for dan Quinn
Speaker 7: and that off and that defense excuse me out in
Speaker 7: Washington this year. He was one of those guys where
Speaker 7: and Nick and I have talked about this a couple
Speaker 7: of times when we've watched guys even this year, where
Speaker 7: you just watch defensive backs play and you feel you
Speaker 7: kind of say to yourself, like, man, it seems like
Speaker 7: Sander Still is making every single play when it comes
Speaker 7: his way. And there's a couple of guys in this
Speaker 7: class too that I think that of as well. So
Speaker 7: Mike Sander Still was one of the brock Bowers And
Speaker 7: that's kind of a layup. Yeah, really since his true
Speaker 7: freshman season in Georgia, incredible play. Bowers could have gone
Speaker 7: bro and the dude is just ridiculous. So he's going
Speaker 7: to be an All Pro contender for the rest of
Speaker 7: his career.
Speaker 4: I think, well, you're saying no, no, you're good, keep going,
Speaker 4: keep going on.
Speaker 7: The flipping over to the wrongs ad and I Mitchell
Speaker 7: from Texas breaks my heart.
Speaker 6: He copy my paper over here, Mitchell, Ye tell me
Speaker 6: you're not alone.
Speaker 4: I had Mitchell at twenty one on my.
Speaker 7: Book I thought Mitchell should have gone before Worthy. I
Speaker 7: thought it was the better of the two wide receivers
Speaker 7: out of Texas that year.
Speaker 4: I don't think you were alone and that we're going.
Speaker 4: I know I missed on him as well.
Speaker 7: He was just fantastic at Texas when you look at
Speaker 7: the fifty to fifty balls and some of the stuff
Speaker 7: he was able to do.
Speaker 4: Was it banged up?
Speaker 5: Did he not play a whole lot or it wasn't
Speaker 5: a banged up situation. It was just just him not
Speaker 5: being able to get on the field. I had him
Speaker 5: forty one in the end, but I remember dropping him
Speaker 5: like the week of the draft because of character concerns.
Speaker 5: So I forget where exactly I had him, but I
Speaker 5: probably would have had him in that twenty ish range.
Speaker 2: I do remember the character concerns being a conversation. That's yeah,
Speaker 2: that's unfortunate because he was a good player of college.
Speaker 4: What were your other one?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 7: My last wrong was Jade and Daniels. I thought this
Speaker 7: was going to be just a complete whiff and yeah,
Speaker 7: that was that was really bad.
Speaker 4: Sorry, Daniels.
Speaker 7: I wasn't skilled and I'm sold now, so I apologize.
Speaker 2: I thought Jada Daniels was Anthony Richardson, So I was
Speaker 2: wrong on him too, Sorry.
Speaker 7: Bobby, I just saw I just saw one one too
Speaker 7: many of those like looney tunes asque hits college where
Speaker 7: he would get hit and the ball would fly fifteen
Speaker 7: yards of the year, he's doing a backflip after the contact,
Speaker 7: and I was just like, I don't know if he
Speaker 7: can get hang around.
Speaker 3: Nailed pretty good the other night.
Speaker 4: Yeah, college, he's done a good job.
Speaker 3: At avoiding those. You guys have Michael Pennix.
Speaker 4: I had Pannis fifty two.
Speaker 6: I didn't love him.
Speaker 4: I liked Penix. He was my third quarterback. But I
Speaker 4: had him at thirty.
Speaker 2: I had him at oh Man, I was really high
Speaker 2: on Pinix. I had him at fourteen.
Speaker 3: Well, I him at twenty.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had him.
Speaker 3: Think about that. How about the Nate Wiggins has shown
Speaker 3: up to the Clemson twive corner.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and this is honestly a little surprising for me,
Speaker 5: just because of how slender he is. You factor, and
Speaker 5: then he went to the Ravens. They're so great at
Speaker 5: developing skins of backs. Yeah, it makes sense why he
Speaker 5: had a good year.
Speaker 3: But I aim at fifteen, I was kind of thinking
Speaker 3: and okay, somebody tell me how Byron Murphy played.
Speaker 4: Eh, I can give you some. He was up and down.
Speaker 6: He didn't get on the field a ton.
Speaker 5: It could compare to other some of these other round
Speaker 5: guys like Jerzon Newton had a lot time, a lot
Speaker 5: more time I had.
Speaker 3: I had Murphy ahead of Newton. Same.
Speaker 2: Byron Murphy played four hundred and fifty snaps. I mean
Speaker 2: he played. He had twenty one pressures, one sack, twenty
Speaker 2: one tackles as well.
Speaker 3: So okay, fourteenth overall player, probably not.
Speaker 4: I had him at nine. I had him even higher
Speaker 4: than you did. But Fisk I hit on. I had
Speaker 4: Fisk at twenty six. That's a good one. And he
Speaker 4: was brilliant.
Speaker 3: I mean this.
Speaker 4: He he led all rookie de alignment fifty one pressures
Speaker 4: on the year. I mean, fist to me seemed like
Speaker 4: an easy, easy one to look at and be like,
Speaker 4: this dude's going to be a bad.
Speaker 3: I got one more for you, huh. I got one more?
Speaker 3: And and where I have him is I don't know
Speaker 3: if it's right. And I think you should be a
Speaker 3: lot higher about Jared Verse from four to stay teen.
Speaker 3: What did you have at fifteeneen eighteen. I'm at ten.
Speaker 3: Should have him at like you should have had him
Speaker 3: at three, top five seriously fourteen. And you know who
Speaker 3: Jared versus in this draft? That Carter kid from Penn State.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, if you want to, if you want
Speaker 3: a comparison of again, think.
Speaker 5: Carter's got a little bit more finesse. That's no discredited verse.
Speaker 5: I just think he has more power. But it's it's
Speaker 5: seeing your first live was eye opening for me.
Speaker 3: Ramp practice. Yeah, Houly Cheeves, I'm like, all right, how
Speaker 3: why did I not have this guy high?
Speaker 2: You and I were on the in the middle of
Speaker 2: training cap live. We were on training can a guy
Speaker 2: and almost cussed on the microphone. It's like, like had
Speaker 2: to stop from.
Speaker 4: Whenever we were in the middle of it.
Speaker 3: He was incredible.
Speaker 5: Last last name of it. I could throw around Latimerconkey.
Speaker 5: Where'd you guys?
Speaker 3: Oh Conky? I was.
Speaker 4: I was trying to get mccaky in the first round.
Speaker 4: I had him at twenty eight, I had him in
Speaker 4: the second. I had a twenty nine overall.
Speaker 3: Oh let me look at that. A second round it's
Speaker 3: not going to be where it needs to be.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I had hibout thirty six and he probably shouldn't be.
Speaker 3: I had Ricky Pearsaw like it's sixty one, so I
Speaker 3: have way down there and I like Pearsaw more than McConkie,
Speaker 3: and I bet you I have am. It's getting bad
Speaker 3: now I'm going down the list.
Speaker 4: It's getting bad way back see.
Speaker 2: And this is what's fun about reliving all of this,
Speaker 2: this work that did last year.
Speaker 5: You know Bucky Irvin, Yeah, Bucky was one of my
Speaker 5: definitely hit Bucky was definitely one of you didn't talk
Speaker 5: about him. I know I didn't. Well, I was circling
Speaker 5: back for the one right, one wrong. But yeah, Bucky
Speaker 5: Irving that that was one that I slammed the table
Speaker 5: for hard. I was hoping this team picked him, but
Speaker 5: he had a good year.
Speaker 4: The one guy that I'm proud of that I got
Speaker 4: right is Dominic Pooney, the guard from UH that ended
Speaker 4: up in San Francisco. He was out of Kansas.
Speaker 2: I had a second round grade for him for him
Speaker 2: and initially people wanted to put him a tackle.
Speaker 4: I wanted to move him to guard.
Speaker 2: He ended up being a top ten Pro Football Focused
Speaker 2: grade among all roles.
Speaker 3: Wait Man, I didn't have him bad I did forty
Speaker 3: five Poony Nony Honkey.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh you just missed him.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's forty five.
Speaker 4: Could have been a little bit.
Speaker 3: I had him right right behind fist.
Speaker 6: You were like eighty eighty one.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I I we needed to jump both those guys.
Speaker 3: But how did Shaydon Hicks? How did Jaydon Hicks from
Speaker 3: Washington State to safety play?
Speaker 4: Mmm?
Speaker 6: Great quid. I don't even remember where he got drafted.
Speaker 3: Man, that I know.
Speaker 4: My guy Bullard did start with Kansas City.
Speaker 12: Uh.
Speaker 2: He played three hundred and thirty snaps Ryan back half
Speaker 2: the beer, mostly free all right, I didn't really do
Speaker 2: much number yeah forty third player right there.
Speaker 4: I think the two guys consensuously. We can all take
Speaker 4: a victory. Lap on was Peyton Wilson. Yes, he's good.
Speaker 4: And then when we got to see is Garndo, I
Speaker 4: felt like he was a darling in the Disip show.
Speaker 4: We all liked him.
Speaker 3: Is Grendo performed.
Speaker 4: Yeah he was good and shout out to Ray Davis
Speaker 4: with the bills.
Speaker 3: I had him at one o seven on Ray Davis.
Speaker 3: I remember that one.
Speaker 4: I was eighty nine on Ray Davis. I had a
Speaker 4: little crush on him.
Speaker 2: Matt Gonsalvez, the guard from pitt That was a thirty
Speaker 2: visit guy.
Speaker 4: And then what about Max Melton. I know you guys
Speaker 4: were high on him.
Speaker 3: I was not.
Speaker 2: I had him wrong the corner I had a fourth Yeah,
Speaker 2: he was corner ten for me. He was a fourth
Speaker 2: round grade. He ended up starting and playing six hundred
Speaker 2: total snaps said, wow, a lot of time with Arizona's
Speaker 2: had fifty nine. Yeah, I see, I had him in
Speaker 2: like the one twenties.
Speaker 3: I had him at one thirty. I was not a fan.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, so you same boat flagged all the time.
Speaker 3: At the next level, he was a grabber.
Speaker 4: I don't think he got flagged a ton.
Speaker 3: So we'll see.
Speaker 6: Oh, I think I maybe found my biggest miss.
Speaker 3: Oh what was it?
Speaker 6: N oh no, Kai Corley? Who Yeah, this one, this
Speaker 6: one's wrong.
Speaker 4: Would you have him?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 5: I just had him at forty four and he had
Speaker 5: three receptions for sixteen yards this year. But also he
Speaker 5: played for an awful franchise.
Speaker 7: So in that one play where he fumbled in the
Speaker 7: or did he drop the ball at the goal line
Speaker 7: right before his career touchdown.
Speaker 4: Well, Javon Baker, the touchdown maker, didn't make us really good.
Speaker 4: I had him at seventy one.
Speaker 3: I don't think that guy.
Speaker 4: Had a catch mate.
Speaker 6: You just take all that UCF love and bottle it
Speaker 6: up into r J.
Speaker 3: Harvey. Yeah it is r J.
Speaker 4: Harvey.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you. I'll tell you a cowboy draft pick
Speaker 3: that made me look bad is Mary's Leafol. Yeah that's fair,
Speaker 3: I mean, if you want to. I mean I was
Speaker 3: not too particularly happy with when Mary's Leafol got picked.
Speaker 3: I'm looking my top two on my Would you have
Speaker 3: him at fifteen? Yeah, so you know, yeah, that's that's
Speaker 3: a bad miss.
Speaker 2: I had him at ninety five, so I felt pretty
Speaker 2: good about that one. Ben Sanat was one that I
Speaker 2: had really high. I had him as a top sixty player.
Speaker 4: He finished with five catches for twenty eight yards for Washington.
Speaker 4: I was pretty low on him just because I didn't
Speaker 4: know where to play.
Speaker 3: But TJ.
Speaker 4: Tampa, I was super high one and I don't know
Speaker 4: what he did this year. I had at thirty seven
Speaker 4: on my board. TJ.
Speaker 3: Tampa.
Speaker 4: Yeah, top second round corner, right behind the top three
Speaker 4: guys Arnold Mitchell and.
Speaker 3: Iowa State kid. Right he played. I loved TJ. Tampa.
Speaker 2: TJ Tampa played a total of eighteen snaps.
Speaker 4: Oh jeez, yeah, that's that's right.
Speaker 3: He was still holding out hope for our guys.
Speaker 2: Okay, we like our guys, all right, fun exercise. If
Speaker 2: you guys did your own research last year, tweet at us,
Speaker 2: let us know who were your rights and who were
Speaker 2: your wrongs?
Speaker 4: Who'd you hit on? Who did you miss on?
Speaker 2: It is we got a lot of work left to
Speaker 2: do going into the draft. Well, because of that, we've
Speaker 2: got some names that have recently declared for the draft.
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Speaker 3: I know We had this discussion yesterday about Walker, the
Speaker 3: edge rudger rusher, a scout that listen to our show.
Speaker 3: It's not a scout from this football team, scout from
Speaker 3: another team. We love you. And he got into our
Speaker 3: discussion about Walker that we thought he was an edge
Speaker 3: and this is his area, and he said, he goes listen.
Speaker 3: I like this kid a lot, super kid. He's an
Speaker 3: inside linebacker for me on first and second down and
Speaker 3: a sub sub put wherever you want. Can't live with
Speaker 3: him as a full time edge rusher. And I said,
Speaker 3: not an edge. Get too warred down, was my question
Speaker 3: to him. And he said too short. He's six oh
Speaker 3: one four. He just will get outsized. He's a chess piece.
Speaker 3: Is what you would do? He said. You know, he
Speaker 3: was talking about that move him around like what they
Speaker 3: do with my kid kind of thing. But he says,
Speaker 3: if you play them at full time edge, he felt
Speaker 3: like that he would get really worred down his game.
Speaker 3: So I like, I say, he was just driving around
Speaker 3: listening to our show and because he said, hey, I
Speaker 3: heard you guys were talking about Walker, and this is
Speaker 3: what I this is how I would look at it. Now,
Speaker 3: we could all say no, he's an edge and all that,
Speaker 3: but it is an interesting thing to think about him
Speaker 3: being six to one and a half sure, and maybe
Speaker 3: playing full time edge if that's what we think.
Speaker 5: Saw him person yesterday and the length was the lack
Speaker 5: of length was something I know. Okay, So I was like, okay,
Speaker 5: he's he looks a little slender. There's not a ton
Speaker 5: of length there. Let me wait a couple of weeks,
Speaker 5: like let his body get back from bouncing back from
Speaker 5: the season and let me reevaluate there. But I do
Speaker 5: like his lower half. But I was I didn't notice
Speaker 5: that his length wasn't what I thought.
Speaker 3: I just wondered, like, when there's several guys like that
Speaker 3: that we're going to look at. Because you watch him
Speaker 3: play at George, there's no question he can rush the past.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, but do.
Speaker 3: You want him doing it full time? I think that's
Speaker 3: something now that we and you know what if he
Speaker 3: might be a guy at twelve that this football team
Speaker 3: would consider, you know, I mean, so I think you
Speaker 3: have to study up on really we need to dig
Speaker 3: a little further what other teams or maybe what this
Speaker 3: what this team, what this team is thinking about him
Speaker 3: as an edge because I know, I popped in and
Speaker 3: you guys caught me and I went edge, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: you know, and then but we you and I talked
Speaker 3: about it.
Speaker 4: We've just because I think he's an edge. I don't
Speaker 4: see the athleticism to be able to play off ball
Speaker 4: in the NFL. Right, But you did argue you wanted
Speaker 4: him as a linebacker.
Speaker 3: I thought initially as a linebacker, but I didn't think
Speaker 3: of it for the reasons that this scout told me
Speaker 3: for Yeah, you know, I was. I just was thinking, well,
Speaker 3: I mean, off ball linebackers seems to kind of work out.
Speaker 3: But I just wanted to present that after yesterday. But
Speaker 3: shout out to the scout that listens to us as
Speaker 3: he's driving around.
Speaker 4: No, and that's super insightful. If you guys hear anything
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's always good to share because now that
Speaker 2: information's out there, we need.
Speaker 3: To figure out how cowboys evaluate him. We need to
Speaker 3: think about, you know, through our back channels or whatever
Speaker 3: we have to do. Are you looking at Walker as
Speaker 3: a linebacker or are you looking at him as an edge?
Speaker 5: Well, the Cowboys need to figure out what the Cowboys
Speaker 5: are evaluating exactly.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: That's a good one, all right, some of these guys
Speaker 2: that are working their way out. I teased Quinn yours
Speaker 2: and what he brings as a quarterback prospect in this class. Tommy,
Speaker 2: you spend some time covering Quinn throughout his career. Where
Speaker 2: does he fit in this quarterback class? Because it's not
Speaker 2: a strong quarterback class to begin with. I think we've
Speaker 2: all kind of agreed on that there are some names
Speaker 2: at the top, but it's not necessarily the same depth
Speaker 2: of quarterback class that we've talked about in the past.
Speaker 4: Where would you put ers at this point in time?
Speaker 7: Yours is around QB three QB four for me in
Speaker 7: this draft, and I think part of that is a
Speaker 7: testament too. It's not necessarily the strongest class. But this
Speaker 7: is a guy that I've watched. I've watched every start
Speaker 7: of his since his freshman season at Texas, and you
Speaker 7: look at the touch that he's able to put on
Speaker 7: some of these balls, and how just easy he makes
Speaker 7: it look in terms of the motion and getting the
Speaker 7: ball out of his hands. He can operate an RPO offense,
Speaker 7: and you know, he's made some wild plays over the
Speaker 7: course of his career. The only problem is when he
Speaker 7: gets pressured, he turns the stone. It's almost like everything
Speaker 7: collapses in front of him and he doesn't know what
Speaker 7: to do. Sometimes he did a better job, I think
Speaker 7: this last year of stepping up at certain points, but
Speaker 7: then you know he's got the ankle injury and the
Speaker 7: oblique injury, and so I think once those things happened
Speaker 7: later on in the season as the progressed, he was
Speaker 7: a little bit more hesitant to step up really confidently.
Speaker 7: I thought the best tape that he put out was
Speaker 7: against Michigan back in the Week two. He was slinging
Speaker 7: it all over the field.
Speaker 3: Gunner heelm touchdown pass.
Speaker 7: Was beautiful, beautiful, and he's had a lot of those
Speaker 7: thrills where it's good touch, it's into a tight window,
Speaker 7: and he's able to make those wild plays. But at
Speaker 7: the same time, it's that pocket presence that worries me.
Speaker 7: And there are still sometimes where you just kind of
Speaker 7: scratch your head with some of the decisions that he makes.
Speaker 7: But all in all, I think that there's a lot
Speaker 7: that you can work with there. I just think that
Speaker 7: he needs time. Throughout his entire career, Cooenewers has kind
Speaker 7: of rushed himself into everything you think about from high
Speaker 7: school going to Ohio State, he leaves his senior year,
Speaker 7: so he goes a year early, one of the first
Speaker 7: big nil names once that became legal, and doesn't work
Speaker 7: out there, so he comes to Texas. He's instantly thrown
Speaker 7: into the fire, and he's tasked with basically rejuvenating a
Speaker 7: program that had been in the dumpster for the better
Speaker 7: part of two decades. And I think he would greatly
Speaker 7: benefit from sitting down and if he finds the right fit,
Speaker 7: from just sitting learning the offense, getting the time to develop,
Speaker 7: work out those things that need to get worked out,
Speaker 7: whether it be pocket presence, whether it be I'm not
Speaker 7: saying he has bad football IQ, but decision making, and
Speaker 7: then I think he can develop into a pretty song.
Speaker 3: You think he sees the field well or is that
Speaker 3: an issue? And I wonder this because I watched bo
Speaker 3: Nix at Auburn look awful, and then I watched him
Speaker 3: go to Oregon and it seemed like he got things
Speaker 3: kind of turned around. But I wasn't as high on
Speaker 3: him as I needed to. But if it is Quinn,
Speaker 3: does his problem seeing the field or is it just
Speaker 3: that that he just doesn't have a feel for how
Speaker 3: to move to keep his eyes down the field.
Speaker 7: I think it's the movement problem that he doesn't. He
Speaker 7: doesn't quite get how to.
Speaker 3: Move around on the pot. Joe Burrow will duck, you
Speaker 3: see Joe Burrow duck. Yeah, fields it and he'll he'll
Speaker 3: compress and then kind of find his way out of
Speaker 3: it and then make a throw.
Speaker 2: He may have the best pocket presence in the NFL,
Speaker 2: though he might Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's like a high X. Seriously. I mean he'll
Speaker 3: put both hands of the ball and just dip his
Speaker 3: shoulder and the kind of find a way to get
Speaker 3: through and then he ends up on the other side.
Speaker 3: And I just wonder with yours, it seems like when
Speaker 3: the pressure is on him, and I wonder if it's
Speaker 3: just he's too locked on to what's going on down
Speaker 3: the field. You know, that's kind of.
Speaker 4: When he gets a little happy feet and that's where
Speaker 4: you see the balls start to sail on him a
Speaker 4: little bit.
Speaker 7: And the footwork has been an issue since day one
Speaker 7: with yours. Is that's something His feet have rarely been
Speaker 7: set on some of these bad throws that you see,
Speaker 7: and it is a real problem his freshman season where
Speaker 7: he would just be all over the place and sure
Speaker 7: you would get those wow throws like, oh my god,
Speaker 7: how did he get that all the way down the field?
Speaker 7: Then he has some plays where he's just throwing it
Speaker 7: right to a defender. So coachable guyutely absolutely, absolutely, Yeah,
Speaker 7: there's without no question there, and he'sn.
Speaker 4: Some success with those guys in the league, right Yeah.
Speaker 7: And I think if we're talking about the mental aspect too,
Speaker 7: I think this is a guy who doesn't get enough
Speaker 7: credit for being a good leader. You think about the
Speaker 7: stuff that was thrust on this guy's shoulder with Arch
Speaker 7: Manning sitting right behind, and you're kind of knocking on
Speaker 7: that door, and he's still got guys to come and
Speaker 7: play for him, and he still operated the Steve Starcasian
Speaker 7: offense really well. Again, there's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 7: work that has to be done for it to translate
Speaker 7: to the NFL. But back to your question, Yeah, I
Speaker 7: think movement in the pocket is what is where it
Speaker 7: stands because it's got the length of that bottom half
Speaker 7: doesn't have as much of that, and the duck and
Speaker 7: turning all.
Speaker 3: That seems stiffers, Yeah, really stiff in your pocket.
Speaker 7: If that happens, he just collapses and he just takes
Speaker 7: the sack.
Speaker 3: And the injuries.
Speaker 4: Like he had a year season where he's been healthy.
Speaker 6: Not since his sophomore year of high school. And he
Speaker 6: took a hit while he took a hit.
Speaker 5: From Dallas Turner in his sophomore year in the second
Speaker 5: game of the season that I think changed how he
Speaker 5: how he handles pocket pressure, and I don't feel like
Speaker 5: he's ever handled pressure the same since then.
Speaker 4: That guy's a bust, So we can't miss right talk
Speaker 4: about it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 5: It was in the second quarter and he uh, he
Speaker 5: got hit on a first it was a first and
Speaker 5: goal and they dropped back to pass change the whole game,
Speaker 5: and it changed the whole game. And maybe he's landed
Speaker 5: on his AC joint, but he's dealt with an O
Speaker 5: bleach strain, ankle spread and a C joint in both shoulders.
Speaker 5: Uh sports hernia growing injury in high school that kept
Speaker 5: him out for most of his senior year. But yeah,
Speaker 5: injuries are a concern. But I uh I commed him
Speaker 5: to uh, I camped him to brock Party in the
Speaker 5: sense that he uh, if he finds the right fit,
Speaker 5: then it could work out for him, especially if he
Speaker 5: has weapons, and I think he gives you enough to
Speaker 5: uh be able to work with. I mean when you
Speaker 5: talk about his touch, his arm angle, precision decision making
Speaker 5: when he's not under pressure, I think he's QB two
Speaker 5: in this class. But you take you factor everything in.
Speaker 5: I have him at QB seven.
Speaker 3: Where should we have draft drafted brock Party? Who is that?
Speaker 4: Who was in that class?
Speaker 3: I'm saying round brock Party went to irrelevant, irrelevant to
Speaker 3: should have went first round pick, should have been a
Speaker 3: first round pick. Right.
Speaker 4: Let me look at the other quarterbacks and one.
Speaker 5: That I think the perfect fit for Quinn is is
Speaker 5: the Rams. I think if he can go to a
Speaker 5: place like like Lost of Love, work under McVeigh and
Speaker 5: take a couple of years behind Matthew Stafford, I think
Speaker 5: that'd be the perfect fit for Quinn.
Speaker 4: You were Here's the other quarterbacks in that draft class
Speaker 4: with Brock Purty, Kenny Pickett, Malik Willis, Matt Carrall, Carson Strong,
Speaker 4: Sam Howe, Desmond, Ritter Bailey, Zappy, Jack Cones, Skyler Thompson, E. J. Perry.
Speaker 3: You get the point. Oh my, he should have gone.
Speaker 4: He's been the first off ahead of Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Absolutely.
Speaker 4: I wonder how the Steelers should be feeling right now
Speaker 4: if they had rock Perty that would be and well
Speaker 4: it would have been Yeah, it would have been Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3: When I think the thing about the fact that that
Speaker 3: Quinn Ewers has played in a lot of similar with
Speaker 3: brock Purty. I mean, brock Purty was four your guy, right,
Speaker 3: I mean all those starts that he got, and you
Speaker 3: kind of like Iowa State, You're thinking, oh, I got
Speaker 3: a couple of guys, had a runner, they had a receivers.
Speaker 3: I mean, they've had some guys. But man, I mean
Speaker 3: it's not a star studded lineup by any means that guy.
Speaker 3: But he played a lot of games, got a lot
Speaker 3: of experience, won a lot of games. Yeah, that's very similar.
Speaker 3: I think that's a really good comparison Quinn yours. No,
Speaker 3: I like it a lot.
Speaker 4: I just don't like his decision making.
Speaker 2: He was offered a scholarship to North Texas in the
Speaker 2: eighth grade.
Speaker 4: And he turned it down. I think that's a bad decision.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he could have taken it. He would have at
Speaker 2: least at least a national championship if he would have
Speaker 2: gone there, all right, some of the other names that
Speaker 2: have recently declared Nick Emon Worri from South Carolina.
Speaker 4: Safety, Yeah, I'm glad that you've brought him up. Okay,
Speaker 4: what do you want to you?
Speaker 3: Why do you go so this this guy.
Speaker 4: I was wondering what everyone else thought about him because
Speaker 4: I'm watching him and I'm like, Okay, dude looks like
Speaker 4: an NFL safety. He's checking off all the physical boxes.
Speaker 4: He moves pretty well.
Speaker 3: I like the.
Speaker 4: Backpedal, he's smooth. And then I'm watching him come up
Speaker 4: and run support or just any time a play is
Speaker 4: leaking out towards him, and I'm seeing a bit of
Speaker 4: a timid guy. Oh no, a guy that doesn't really
Speaker 4: want the smoke when it comes to contact. Now, he's
Speaker 4: going to be Senior Bowl invite and uh, you know
Speaker 4: he he he played middle linebacker in high school, so
Speaker 4: I didn't anticipate watching his film and thinking like the
Speaker 4: physical aspect of it would be a question clear communicator
Speaker 4: in the secondary. I mean, he's getting everybody lined up.
Speaker 4: He's an interchangeable safety. I think he can play both
Speaker 4: strong and free. Good feel for zone coverage. Most of
Speaker 4: his interceptions came in zone coverage where he's dropping off.
Speaker 4: But I just didn't see a very physical player. I
Speaker 4: wanted more violence at the strike point. I want him
Speaker 4: to come up and hit somebody. That's the difference between
Speaker 4: him and Malachi Starks. I saw a lot of Twitter
Speaker 4: scouts for trying to compare the two. That's what sets
Speaker 4: them apart from me. Malachi Starks. Now, there are some
Speaker 4: games first half against Alabama, and then when you watch
Speaker 4: him against Notre Dame, there are times where he can
Speaker 4: miss some tackles, can take some poor angles. I don't
Speaker 4: think he's a surefire perfect prospect, but there's a big
Speaker 4: gap between Starks and the way he comes up and
Speaker 4: runs support and em and wary from South Carolina.
Speaker 3: From me, I'd take exavier wats of Notre Dame over
Speaker 3: this cat. I agree, I mean, and I think, well,
Speaker 3: I think he nailed this guy, the South Carolina kid,
Speaker 3: because there's snaps, you see him take poor angles, he'll
Speaker 3: overrun the ball, the size of the frame. I mean,
Speaker 3: he should be a much better time, but that will
Speaker 3: come and go with and the length. But he needs
Speaker 3: to get some of this area of his game buttoned up.
Speaker 3: You should be more of a force, but he really
Speaker 3: struggles with that at times. And I at six three
Speaker 3: two twenty seven, my gosh, he he has that that
Speaker 3: look of a guy that should be playing a lot better.
Speaker 3: But I'll I'll take I'll take Exavier watch from Notre
Speaker 3: Dame over this guy all day. Watch it.
Speaker 4: He was going to be a Senior Bowl guy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, he's a senior bol watching the the Texas
Speaker 5: A and M game or South Carolina upset them and
Speaker 5: uh if you want to call an upset and uh
Speaker 5: in Columbia, I fell in love with them and worry.
Speaker 6: I think with his size he can move so well.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, so you can quest his hips like.
Speaker 5: He's six foot damn there, five to ten. Yeah, throw
Speaker 5: him at free I don't need him to tackle. I
Speaker 5: just need him to use that length fit in the
Speaker 5: way of passing.
Speaker 4: And you know what, that's where I talking about accountability.
Speaker 4: I was wrong about Bulock on that I cared more
Speaker 4: about how would he do physically in the run. Maybe
Speaker 4: I shouldn't care as much if you're going to play
Speaker 4: him in free safety, because he does have the ability
Speaker 4: to do that.
Speaker 3: He liked his footwork a lot.
Speaker 6: I did, I see.
Speaker 3: I kind of felt like that. It was a little
Speaker 3: bit all over the place with him. And like you said,
Speaker 3: I didn't think he was the smoothest when it came
Speaker 3: to backpedaling. I thought it was because he's a big guy.
Speaker 3: Maybe it does for his size. First size. Okay, I
Speaker 3: see what you're doing. Okay, ball skills are really really good. Though,
Speaker 3: he's got the he's got the ability with the ball
Speaker 3: skills to compete on the back end, for sure.
Speaker 2: But what about Jahad Campbell, another guy that you've probably
Speaker 2: gotten a chance to watch so far.
Speaker 4: Any of those names stick out?
Speaker 7: Yeah, he sticks out to me. I think he's as
Speaker 7: one of the best linebackers in this class. The guy
Speaker 7: from Alabama fifty five tackles for them this year. It's
Speaker 7: a kind of top heavy class. I think Barrett Carter
Speaker 7: from Clemson the other guy who has been around an
Speaker 7: interesting name too to add to that, Smile London from Georgia.
Speaker 7: But no, I like Johad Campbell a lot. I think
Speaker 7: he's one of the better guys.
Speaker 4: I have to say his name, smile, smile.
Speaker 7: Smile like it's not s M I L E.
Speaker 4: It's s M A E L.
Speaker 10: They art.
Speaker 6: That's how I've heard it.
Speaker 3: Pronounce on the.
Speaker 4: Broadcast before interesting, Man, we're in trouble.
Speaker 6: I'll tell you what about John Campbell.
Speaker 4: Well, we'll figure it out eventually, had some time.
Speaker 3: I'll still get it wrong.
Speaker 5: U John Campbell tackling machine always finds himself at the ball. Physical.
Speaker 5: He'll uh, he'll get you. He'll he'll get a couple
Speaker 5: of flags because of how physical he is. But I'll
Speaker 5: take that.
Speaker 2: He had an Auburn game that I called and one
Speaker 2: of them was unnecessary roughness on a defenseless receiver.
Speaker 4: Yeah, dude, I mean there was.
Speaker 2: That might have been the loudest hit I've ever heard
Speaker 2: in stadium. And the windows were closed in front of me.
Speaker 2: That's it was an unbelievable almost physicality. You could have
Speaker 2: really really physical lineback.
Speaker 3: That was number say this though. Yeah, the thing about
Speaker 3: me is, I mean he is a great looking kid.
Speaker 3: You guys are right about physically, when he runs under blocks,
Speaker 3: he'll get under into trouble. So keep an eye on
Speaker 3: as you're watching the tape, You're like, man, I'm seeing
Speaker 3: him like it seems like he's kind of running under
Speaker 3: him and then the ball goes was the opposite direction, man,
Speaker 3: But he is he could be a force. I mean
Speaker 3: he's got some pop, he knows how to play coverage.
Speaker 3: This an interception he makes in the Georgia game that's
Speaker 3: really really pretty.
Speaker 4: So this year had five sacks. Yeah, he had half
Speaker 4: a sack the first two years. Maybe maybe he showed
Speaker 4: a little bit of that question he's got. I like
Speaker 4: the growth there. I mean he finally showed some past
Speaker 4: six three. Oh no, he could say one he can
Speaker 4: set the edge. Yeah, he can set the edge. So
Speaker 4: I that's a that's a possibility there with him. He's
Speaker 4: got so much downhill ability that I really liked. But
Speaker 4: it was I went to yeah, situation, edge, play off ball, Okay,
Speaker 4: I got you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, stilling the question out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just dropping a little last one of the recent
Speaker 2: commitments Jalen Kimber.
Speaker 5: Yeah, a Mansfield kid ended up going to Penn State.
Speaker 5: And I love what he brings at the corner position.
Speaker 5: And I think he's going to be a guy that
Speaker 5: rises during the draft process. He's got the ideal builds
Speaker 5: size that you want at corner. I love his coverage
Speaker 5: ability when you look at you know, some of these
Speaker 5: games at Penn State has played against good passing offenses
Speaker 5: this past season, you typically find Jalen Kimber around the ball,
Speaker 5: or excuse me, you typically find Jalen Kimber not around
Speaker 5: the ball because they're not throwing it to him.
Speaker 6: I like Jalen Kimber.
Speaker 5: I think this is the guy you're not hearing about
Speaker 5: right now, but you're going to as the process goes on.
Speaker 4: Interesting.
Speaker 2: That's a good name to keep an eye on. I
Speaker 2: had him lay down the list. I haven't looked at
Speaker 2: him yet.
Speaker 3: Bobby was right about that linebacker from UCLA by Oh,
Speaker 3: he's fantastic.
Speaker 4: Did you watch him last night?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, what did you think about him?
Speaker 3: Yeah? I'll tell you what. This gives a walk on
Speaker 3: real quick. And he doesn't have a lot of bulk.
Speaker 3: He's how do you pronounce his last name? Sweet?
Speaker 4: That's another to let me see if I can get
Speaker 4: a sneer sweat sweat swassengers swsternger. Yeah, sweassengers sweatnger.
Speaker 3: He's Carson Swetsinger from UCLA six two two twenty five.
Speaker 3: This guy doesn't miss tackles. He had one hundred and
Speaker 3: fifty three of him and I was watching this game
Speaker 3: USC Fresno Washington. He is really really impressive because he
Speaker 3: plays down. He'll like say he was a walk on
Speaker 3: and he got a scholarship because he's a really good
Speaker 3: special teams player. He had four sacks. Bobby's like, I
Speaker 3: found I found my overshown and I'm like, yeah, sure right,
Speaker 3: you found over shown. Bobby's not wrong. This guy is
Speaker 3: high IQ, high intensity. He does a great job as
Speaker 3: rushing the passer. He sniffs out blocking assignments and stuff
Speaker 3: like that, and he's right there. So yeah, keep an
Speaker 3: eye on keep an eye on this kid from from UCLA.
Speaker 3: As far as a linebacker that can play off the ball,
Speaker 3: can pass rush, play special teams, and also playing coverage,
Speaker 3: this guy is a really I mean he's gonna he's
Speaker 3: gonna probably start off on special teams and then get
Speaker 3: sub package work and then then bamp take off from there.
Speaker 3: But at six two twenty five, you're gonna probably be
Speaker 3: a little scared of the size. But he makes it
Speaker 3: seem like he made every single tackle on the UCLA
Speaker 3: team that really really wasn't all that great.
Speaker 4: He's projected to be about a four to seven guys.
Speaker 3: I know it's crazy, but he but he plays so
Speaker 3: much faster than that. Yeah, it's like a third round guy.
Speaker 3: You know on my book there.
Speaker 4: It's interesting. Is this a good linebacker class in general?
Speaker 4: I feel enough I haven't seen enough of I mean,
Speaker 4: like we're looking at a guy like Danny Stutsman from Oklahoma,
Speaker 4: and that's just a guy that's sound like you don't
Speaker 4: like Danny stuts I mean he's instinctive and makes a
Speaker 4: ton of tackles, but like, is he going to translate
Speaker 4: to the NFL? He might just be a special teams.
Speaker 3: In the ENFA.
Speaker 4: I haven't seen a lot of them. And Tommy both
Speaker 4: just looked at it. Well. I mean, I Tommy from
Speaker 4: a Texas standpoint.
Speaker 3: Nothing. He was an outstanding college.
Speaker 4: Player, all right, right, that dude deserves his praise, But
Speaker 4: I don't know that that's going to translate to being
Speaker 4: an NFL starter necessarily. Its probably a Day three pick anyway.
Speaker 5: Can I give you a linebacker to go home and
Speaker 5: watch when come back? Jeffrey Bossa from Oregon. This is
Speaker 5: uh okay, this one five yeah inside and is also
Speaker 5: a tackling machine, always finds himself at the ball. You
Speaker 5: talk about Oregon's defensive slash, he was he was the
Speaker 5: reason for that. He's the leader of that group.
Speaker 3: So, okay, give me bassa.
Speaker 4: Jacob Parish. Do you can see him yesterday? He did
Speaker 4: see him yesterday, Okay, Jacob Parish from k State. He
Speaker 4: not flott. This dude might end up winning the combine. Okay,
Speaker 4: at the forty. But this guy, I was watching him
Speaker 4: last night. Bobby's like I saw him today. You need
Speaker 4: to give him a look. Jacob Parish can ball now.
Speaker 4: He's kind of got everything you look for. Five to ten, right,
Speaker 4: not necessarily the tallest guy in the world, but I
Speaker 4: think he's got longer arms than that. The frame's okay,
Speaker 4: but Jacob Parrish, the recovery speed is elite with him.
Speaker 4: He can run with everybody, can be a little physical.
Speaker 4: I like Jacob Parish. He's a guy to go.
Speaker 3: Home and watch as well.
Speaker 4: Short guys from Kansas State, you know. I mean Zach's
Speaker 4: all for of those guys. That's what That's what he
Speaker 4: got right, I'm about k State Wildcats?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Question that the running back. That's that might be my
Speaker 4: pet cat running back this year to fourth round.
Speaker 5: Fifth I saw him yesterday. He looked a little slender,
Speaker 5: but he's longer than than I think.
Speaker 3: He is, a big boy.
Speaker 6: He's got tall length he does.
Speaker 4: He can catch the ball on the back field good
Speaker 4: in between the tackles. Runner has some juice, can finish
Speaker 4: the fan of his game as well. Devin Neil from Kansas,
Speaker 4: that guy's little bowling ball as well. I like him
Speaker 4: a lot.
Speaker 6: We like his junior year a little bit more, much better.
Speaker 4: Sure, Yeah, same thing with like just like that junior
Speaker 4: season more than they liked this year. The quarterback, same thing.
Speaker 4: I want to talk. We could spend a whole show
Speaker 4: on running backs.
Speaker 2: Absolutely could, because this is a deep class and there's
Speaker 2: some question marks. I think Olie Gordon, for me, is
Speaker 2: one of the more interesting pieces because he was a
Speaker 2: a badass his junior year. Could have tea first or
Speaker 2: second round pick. Being yeah, ended up being just a
Speaker 2: dud his final season.
Speaker 3: And they're real quick.
Speaker 4: What happens to line bad?
Speaker 5: So this is this is literally the notes I put
Speaker 5: suffered behind bad offensive line in twenty twenty four. Does
Speaker 5: he need an offensive line to succeed? The streets are
Speaker 5: saying the streets, but I love his power and downhill ability.
Speaker 5: I think it's worth spending a Day two pick on
Speaker 5: if it gets to that point. I mean, he's he's
Speaker 5: a big boy. He was Trinity guy by the way,
Speaker 5: DFW shut up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely was.
Speaker 2: A great player. You los Trinity outside of the NFL, sir.
Speaker 2: Some people are saying that he would be a day
Speaker 2: like a mid day three pick, which I just don't
Speaker 2: see yet.
Speaker 4: I'm not there. I think he draw. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 4: know this too. I'd take Trayvon Henderson over him. Ohio State, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I would probably do.
Speaker 3: That's fair.
Speaker 4: That's a that's a fair assessment.
Speaker 3: That Tennessee kids for real? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Who is Outamson Sampson?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, good enough.
Speaker 4: You don't have to tell me on Tennessee backs. You know,
Speaker 4: I loved me some Jalen Wright. Last, what about Caleb
Speaker 4: Johnson from Iowa too? Yeah, cal Johnson's the number two
Speaker 4: back in the class. But there is a drop over
Speaker 4: a Marion Hampton. Yeah, he's better than Hampton. Yeah, john
Speaker 4: is better than Hampton.
Speaker 3: Hampton is to Marco Murray, I have Johnson over I
Speaker 3: think I think Johnson's better.
Speaker 4: Who is Johnson? Then?
Speaker 3: But who would Johnson be? If it's a good question? Murray?
Speaker 3: Marco Murray's not bad. Gent gives me some minute vibes.
Speaker 6: He does he does runs like I love it.
Speaker 4: And I can't talk about that on our show because
Speaker 4: I'm going to get like fought by Eric follow Eric Haates.
Speaker 3: We talked running back, good Lord, I cannot we got
Speaker 3: We only talked about running.
Speaker 4: Backs, going, yeah, he's there, and there's a drop off too,
Speaker 4: like Genty's fantastic, and then I know it's a deep
Speaker 4: running back class, but like there's levels of this. It's
Speaker 4: Genty and it's everybody else.
Speaker 6: Oh one hundred.
Speaker 4: Let's not pretend we can just not everybody's elite. Gent's elite.
Speaker 2: I'm glad we got through our third episode of the
Speaker 2: Draft show and we made sure to mention Ashton Gentle again.
Speaker 3: So let's keep the street alive.
Speaker 2: We'll talk about him again on Thursday, and we'll continue
Speaker 2: to reconvene as the year goes on. Officially one hundred
Speaker 2: days away from the NFL Draft in Green Bay, Wisconsin.
Speaker 6: I'm having fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is good.
Speaker 4: We're getting full and it's still a long way away,
Speaker 4: but not that far.
Speaker 3: That far days.
Speaker 4: One hundred days for.
Speaker 2: Zach Wilchuck Bryan brought us Nick Harris, Tommy Yarrish, and
Speaker 2: Chris Beam in the back of Kyle Yeoman saying so
Speaker 2: long for the Draft show.
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