1 00:00:02,480 --> 00:00:06,800 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, Podcasts, radio news. 2 00:00:09,320 --> 00:00:13,040 Speaker 2: This is the Bloomberg Daybreak Asia podcast. I'm Brian Curtis 3 00:00:13,119 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 2: along with Doug Krisner join us each day for the 4 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:19,240 Speaker 2: stories making news and moving markets in the Asia Pacific. 5 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 2: You can subscribe to the show anywhere you get your 6 00:00:21,920 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 2: podcasts and always on Bloomberg Radio, the Bloomberg Terminal, and 7 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 2: the Bloomberg. 8 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: Business app well. 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 2: Joining us now on the program is Chuck Camello, President 10 00:00:31,080 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 2: and CEO at Essex Financial Services, to take a closer 11 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:38,520 Speaker 2: look at global markets the start off in the United States. Chuck, 12 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 2: I wonder if the focus switches back to the FED. 13 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 2: Last week very much not on the FED. It was 14 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 2: really about earnings and specifically in Nvidia that drove markets 15 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 2: to these record highs. This week, do we get back 16 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:52,040 Speaker 2: to the macro. 17 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much for having me. Yeah. I 18 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 3: think we're certainly going to see some macro information coming 19 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 3: with the FED and the number that's going to be 20 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,760 Speaker 3: coming out that's going to be a key macro number 21 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,679 Speaker 3: and a big part of you know, the whole inflation story, 22 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 3: which again we obviously continue to talk about into twenty 23 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 3: twenty four. But yeah, I think you know, the entire 24 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,919 Speaker 3: world practically was waiting for that big and vidio number 25 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 3: last week. They certainly didn't disappoint and it obviously gave 26 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 3: the markets just a tremendous, tremendous tailwind. 27 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 4: So we heard from Warren Buffett over the weekend he 28 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 4: doesn't see much in the way of a meaningful opportunity 29 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 4: right now. He's sitting on a truckload of cash, I 30 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 4: think something over one hundred and sixty seven billion in 31 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:35,920 Speaker 4: the fourth quarter. Does he have a point? I mean, 32 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 4: if you're shopping for value right now, there's not much 33 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:39,479 Speaker 4: on the shelf. 34 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, well a couple of things. One. You know, 35 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 3: at least he's making probably north to five percent on 36 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 3: that big number, so that certainly doesn't hurt Warren in Berkshire. 37 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 3: So at least the short rates are very high, So 38 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 3: I'm sure you're happy about that. But I think he's 39 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 3: certainly right. I mean, there's not a huge compelling buy 40 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 3: that is screening. There are certainly our pockets of opportunity, 41 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 3: whether it be opportunities in healthcare, a little bit of 42 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:05,120 Speaker 3: you know, energy, if you want to be a little 43 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 3: bit more adventures, but there's big parts of the equity 44 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 3: market that haven't participated. You know, healthcare is on the rise, 45 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 3: doing better, but even you know, there's a tremendous amount 46 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:16,320 Speaker 3: of value side of the market, small and midcaps where 47 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 3: that have really not participated, and you know, could be 48 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 3: a very nice opportunity for you know, an allocation of 49 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 3: somebody's investment dollars. Because again, I agree, there's nothing screaming 50 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 3: by at this point, but you know, I think any 51 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:32,399 Speaker 3: any pullback with tech is a buying opportunity. And again, 52 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 3: small mid value all you know have have certainly not 53 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 3: had the kind of run that that large gap growth has, 54 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 3: especially tech. 55 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 2: He has his own parameters and they are very very strict. 56 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 2: He's looking for unusually big purchases with unusual value attached 57 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 2: to it. Some might say he's he's missed an opportunity 58 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:57,080 Speaker 2: in artificial intelligence. Uh and and others might say, well, yeah, 59 00:02:57,080 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 2: but that's not really the area that Warren Buffett would 60 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 2: buy in. But he did buy Apple, and I think 61 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,960 Speaker 2: it's still his largest holding. So is it getting more 62 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:07,519 Speaker 2: complicated for the Buffet team? 63 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, I mean you're one hundred percent correctly. I mean, 64 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,120 Speaker 3: what they're looking for is very different than you know 65 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:17,560 Speaker 3: what the average investor in the United States is looking 66 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,000 Speaker 3: for and how they're looking to allocate money. But I think, 67 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,079 Speaker 3: you know, Warren certainly has missed some of the tech 68 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 3: I means done unbelievably well in so many different investments. 69 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:30,919 Speaker 3: He has made Apple obviously, notwithstanding, but you could argue, 70 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 3: and I think he's even said that, you know, had 71 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 3: he been a little bit more adventurous on the tech 72 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 3: side of things, that certainly would have been certainly a 73 00:03:38,040 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 3: big positive. But you know, I think the other gentlemen 74 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 3: that are running Berkshire Hathway at this point bring a 75 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 3: whole different view on a lot of these different and 76 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 3: new exciting areas of the market, especially around tech and AI. 77 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:53,200 Speaker 3: So you who knows what the future holds. But you know, 78 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 3: as we say to individual clients, I mean, you know, 79 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 3: technology is, has been, is and will continue to be 80 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 3: a bigger and bigger part of our lives. And AI 81 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 3: has the potential to be a tremendous generational change, not 82 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 3: just for the country, for the world, and you know, 83 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 3: better to be involved in some way, shape or form 84 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 3: with that than sit on the sideline. 85 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 4: No doubt about that. But when I think of Berkshire 86 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 4: obviously there is the insurance company part of the portfolio, 87 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:25,280 Speaker 4: also a couple of financials banks American Express I think 88 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 4: is still a very large position, and energy. I think 89 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 4: he's still building a position in Occidental petroleum. When you 90 00:04:31,600 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 4: look at the financials, when you look at the energy complex, 91 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 4: just those two. Are there opportunities here, Chuck? 92 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 3: We believe there are so, especially in both areas. I mean, 93 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 3: you've seen financial so far have a pretty good start 94 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 3: to the year. You're again in this environment. It took 95 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 3: a while for them to sort of get their legs 96 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 3: under them with all the obvious challenges they've had. But 97 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 3: you know, we do think there's opportunities in financials. Energy, 98 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,200 Speaker 3: you know, continues to go, you know, in and out 99 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:00,919 Speaker 3: right now. It tends to one of the outside of 100 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 3: things that you're seeing a lot of consolidation, a lot 101 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 3: of mergers in that space. You're you're also seeing it 102 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:09,120 Speaker 3: in financials with you know, the big credit card merger 103 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 3: last week. So you know, with energy especially very low 104 00:05:12,760 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 3: pees general, a lot of cash, a lot of good 105 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 3: dividend yields. And again if you're you know, if you 106 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 3: don't want to buy tech you quote unquote because it's 107 00:05:20,880 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 3: too high, and you're looking for an area to get 108 00:05:23,120 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 3: into and to participate. Having a certain portion of your 109 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 3: portfolio and energy and financials, you know, certainly makes a 110 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:31,960 Speaker 3: lot of sense for for most investors. 111 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:35,280 Speaker 2: Well, a nice segue to Asia might be that Warren 112 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:38,600 Speaker 2: Buffett continued to increase his stake in those trading companies 113 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 2: in Japan. Uh, he didn't. I don't think he's doing 114 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 2: much in China. But if we can swing the conversation 115 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:47,920 Speaker 2: around to Japan, We've had these enormous gains and yet 116 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 2: there are still a lot of people pushing Japan. Others 117 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 2: might say, well, Japan has had a good run. Now 118 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:56,159 Speaker 2: maybe you should look at China. How does that equation 119 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,160 Speaker 2: work In Chuck Camelo's head, Yeah. 120 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 3: Well, you know, so you's interesting. I mean, they've finally 121 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 3: reached you know, got back to the old high I 122 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:08,040 Speaker 3: took eight three hundred and eighty three days since nineteen 123 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 3: eighty nine to get there, so worth the way. But 124 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 3: I would certainly say, you know, you know, if we're 125 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 3: if we're allocating to that part of the world, we're 126 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 3: generally tending to be more towards Japan. China is has 127 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 3: a host of issues. You know, I'm not sure anybody 128 00:06:21,880 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 3: can quite understand exactly going to do. You know, we 129 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 3: had the recent rules about institutional investors not being able 130 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 3: to buy or sell in the first I forget first 131 00:06:29,200 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 3: thirty minutes or hour beginning or end of the trading day. 132 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 3: You know, some people have said it's uninvestable. I'm not 133 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 3: going to go there, but I'll just say there's so 134 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 3: many other compelling and wonderful investment opportunities here in the 135 00:06:41,400 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 3: US and around the world that doesn't involve China directly 136 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 3: that I'm for the average person that we work with, 137 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 3: you're hard pressed tofy to figure a reason why you're 138 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 3: going to go there. I quite candidly, I'd rather be 139 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,600 Speaker 3: in emerging markets in India before I would I want 140 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 3: to go to China at this point. 141 00:06:58,120 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 4: So we were talking about M and A a moment ago. 142 00:07:00,920 --> 00:07:03,799 Speaker 4: Here we have this deal where Nipon Steele It wants 143 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 4: to take over us steal. Do you think that deal 144 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 4: should be allowed to go through? 145 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 3: Well, I think there's probably there's a couple of different 146 00:07:11,720 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 3: ways to look at that, right, I Mean, one is 147 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 3: just the pure financials and economics of it, which probably 148 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 3: make a lot of sense. The other part is I'm 149 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:21,360 Speaker 3: in US Steel is you know, you know, a national 150 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 3: company with a long storied history, both really really good 151 00:07:25,400 --> 00:07:29,520 Speaker 3: in terms of World War Two, and the storied history 152 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 3: of that company, which you know, an American company being 153 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 3: purchased by a Japanese company of that magnitude stokes a 154 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:40,800 Speaker 3: lot of nationalism fears, and whether rightly or wrongly, it's 155 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:43,480 Speaker 3: going to be tough. And I think on the economics 156 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,200 Speaker 3: of it, I think it probably makes a ton of sense. 157 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 3: I think it probably should get done, given you know, 158 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,880 Speaker 3: the benefits I think that US Steel, its employees, shareholders, etc. 159 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,000 Speaker 3: Would see. But you know, that's going to be something 160 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 3: coming out of Washington, d C. And I gave up 161 00:07:57,880 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 3: a long time ago trying to guess what's going to 162 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 3: come out of there. 163 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 2: The other interesting segue that I've got for you this morning, 164 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,480 Speaker 2: we talked about Buffett maybe not looking so actively in China, 165 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 2: but obviously he made a big play on byd and 166 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,440 Speaker 2: made a ton of money on that investment more than 167 00:08:13,480 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 2: a decade ago. I note that vin Fast, you know, 168 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 2: is sort of rising up in Vietnam. But for a 169 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 2: company like Essex Financial Services, do you look for those 170 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 2: kind of home runs in Asia something maybe that can 171 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 2: play out over the next ten years or is that 172 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 2: just too big a bet. 173 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I would certainly say we're we are investors, 174 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,280 Speaker 3: not traders. So what we're looking for are the best 175 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:40,559 Speaker 3: money managers that can find those opportunities for us, whether 176 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 3: it's through separately managed accounts, whether it's through mutual funds 177 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 3: or ETFs or whatever it might be. We're looking for 178 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 3: the managers that can find those types of companies, you know, 179 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 3: where where you know, three point four billion dollar organization 180 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 3: where you know, we're not We don't have a team 181 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 3: of analyst scouring the globe for the up and coming 182 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,680 Speaker 3: you know, electrical v manufacturer that you might be in 183 00:09:02,080 --> 00:09:04,439 Speaker 3: the second year of the existence. We're looking for the 184 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,800 Speaker 3: best money managers on behalf of our clients to be 185 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 3: able to get that kind of exposure. 186 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, out of time unfortunately, Chuck, But thanks very 187 00:09:12,080 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 2: much for joining us, Chuck Cumello, President and CEO at 188 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 2: Essex Financial Services. Joining us now in our studios is 189 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 2: Danny Lee Bloomberg Asia Transport Reporter to take a closer 190 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 2: look at this. So, Danny, great to have you on. 191 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:36,199 Speaker 2: It's one thing to say that BYD will rival brands 192 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 2: like Ferrari and Lamborghini in price. It's another to say, 193 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 2: in terms of sales and attractiveness, what are we hearing 194 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 2: about this early model that might lead us to think that, yeah, yeah, 195 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 2: they could actually rival Ferrari in Lamborghini. 196 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 5: Yeah. So BYD's push into the luxury segment, they've already 197 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:59,360 Speaker 5: got one one car out at the moment, a hybrid 198 00:10:00,080 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 5: that has sold around almost four thousand units in just 199 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 5: a couple of months. And when you're selling it for 200 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 5: already one million yuan, so that's about that's still a 201 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 5: huge chunk of change that really adds to the top 202 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 5: line and the bottom line. And it's all important having 203 00:10:16,920 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 5: these luxury vehicles that they can sell at much higher prices. 204 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 5: Given what is going on to the broader market in China, 205 00:10:22,920 --> 00:10:25,520 Speaker 5: world's biggest auto and EV market, there is a big 206 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:26,400 Speaker 5: price war going on. 207 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:28,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think that it's also interesting that this 208 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 4: will initially be sold not just in the Chinese market. 209 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,920 Speaker 4: And I'm looking at the comparison here. If you're saying 210 00:10:34,960 --> 00:10:37,440 Speaker 4: that this is a new vehicle wor to rival Ferrari 211 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 4: in Lamborghini, I don't think that there is a chance, 212 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,360 Speaker 4: at least under the current situation, that this vehicle ends 213 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:44,720 Speaker 4: up in Europe anytime soon. 214 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 5: BYD is laying the groundwork, particularly to export and particularly 215 00:10:50,559 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 5: to export its luxury brands, and so we will see 216 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 5: more details over the coming several months as they lay 217 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,599 Speaker 5: the groundwork for that. So clearly putting it out in 218 00:11:00,640 --> 00:11:04,080 Speaker 5: the China market first, which it knows best it is 219 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:06,719 Speaker 5: able to then just you know, get a feel for 220 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 5: what Chinese consumers like about this car, if they need 221 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 5: to tweak anything, and just to really set a benchmark, 222 00:11:14,120 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 5: particularly given there is a lot of demand for luxury 223 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 5: cars in China, given the backdrop still of the China economy, 224 00:11:21,360 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 5: there is still that demand for in the luxury segment. 225 00:11:24,280 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 5: And you know, whilst volumes are overall small, this is 226 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 5: where BID by producing domestically and selling domestically, it has 227 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 5: an edge, particularly over some of the European luxury brands. 228 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 2: When it comes to bid. We often talk about how 229 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 2: the US market is kind of out of reach because 230 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 2: of the twenty seven and a half percent tariffs, and 231 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:45,400 Speaker 2: we often talk about Europe. In fact we've already done 232 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 2: so in this discussion. But I'm curious about you know, 233 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 2: there are a lot of rich people around the world. 234 00:11:51,160 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 2: I'm curious about whether or not, you know, this offers 235 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 2: an interesting offer to fairly wealthy people in other parts 236 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 2: of the world that maybe you're looking for something different. 237 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 5: Ultimately, perhaps, and particularly when it comes to the ev segments, 238 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 5: you know, to have a supercar that is as powerful 239 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 5: and capable that can you know, you can you can 240 00:12:13,840 --> 00:12:17,559 Speaker 5: actually use, you know, for long distances and really use 241 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 5: the power. You know, given the specs of this supercar 242 00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 5: and by developing its own batteries, you know, it's quite 243 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 5: confident in its tech and its ability that this supercar 244 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 5: has a you know, has the durability to you know, 245 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 5: to cope just like with those gas guzzling fossil fuel 246 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 5: supercars which you know, you can take take along the road. 247 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 5: People don't want to necessarily transition because you know, the 248 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 5: supercars using a lot of power. You're using a lot 249 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:45,839 Speaker 5: of powers. So therefore, you know, you need something EVY 250 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 5: equivalent that is absolutely capable for those the needs of 251 00:12:50,240 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 5: the owners who really want to thrash their cars. 252 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 4: So we talk a little bit about the speed that 253 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:58,120 Speaker 4: this U nine is capable of, I mean one hundred 254 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 4: kilometers per hour, in two point three six seconds and 255 00:13:02,920 --> 00:13:08,280 Speaker 4: top speed three hundred nine kilometers per hour. How does 256 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 4: the battery function under those conditions? I mean, if you're 257 00:13:12,120 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 4: really pushing this vehicle to its limit, do you draw 258 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:16,800 Speaker 4: down on the battery very quickly? 259 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 5: Not necessarily by these batteries that are very very you 260 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 5: know in the market, that are very good and they 261 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 5: are very mature kind of technology. So there's a lot 262 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 5: of power under there that you can draw on and 263 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 5: it doesn't draw down the battery of the power in 264 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 5: any significant way. You know, it's designed just like any 265 00:13:38,520 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 5: other car. But of course with more power you are 266 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,679 Speaker 5: obviously going to you will eventually draw down the battery. 267 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 5: But you know, given its technologies developed over the years, 268 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:50,839 Speaker 5: it's really quite a capable unit. 269 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 2: So I did that ant story right before you to 270 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 2: get you a little nervous that, oh my god, are 271 00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:59,959 Speaker 2: they going to ask me about and just to keep 272 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:01,280 Speaker 2: be on your toes. I want to keep you on 273 00:14:01,320 --> 00:14:04,080 Speaker 2: your toes with this one too. So byd is selling 274 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 2: this supercar EV, let me ask you here, I don't 275 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 2: know the answer to do. Ferrari and Lamborghini have all 276 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 2: EV powered sports cars. 277 00:14:14,640 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 5: They know clearly they're developing their products as they go. 278 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 5: Are they quite there without technology that does remain to 279 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 5: be seen? But clearly, you know this is something that 280 00:14:24,480 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 5: all EV you all no legacy fossil fuel brands are 281 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 5: looking at in the future. How do they get the 282 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:36,480 Speaker 5: best kind of EV technology for their cars, because again, 283 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 5: people just like the feel of fossil fuel cars are 284 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,720 Speaker 5: very very different and the sounds that they make. But 285 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 5: having been behind uh, you know these some of these, 286 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 5: some of these electric vehicles, you know, even some of 287 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 5: the just the sporty sedans. My goodness, the you step 288 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 5: on the accelerator and you're thrown back into your seat. 289 00:14:56,440 --> 00:15:00,080 Speaker 5: The talk, the ferocity of you get immediately from the 290 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 5: electric vehicles is quite something. 291 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 4: Danny just remind us where we are in terms of EV, 292 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 4: the tension in the European market right now and the 293 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 4: idea that China could import into Europe right now, I 294 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 4: think that the Europeans feel as though Chinese EV makers 295 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 4: are trying to dump a lot of inventory on the 296 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 4: European market. Is that not problematic for byd Whether we're 297 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 4: talking an entry level vehicle or even something as sophisticated 298 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 4: as this U nine. 299 00:15:29,280 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 5: Well, clearly Pyd does make a lot of affordable cause 300 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 5: in China, but the context is that when it goes 301 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:39,280 Speaker 5: over to Europe, they're not that affordable in respect of 302 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 5: the prices. The prices are still actually quite expensive relatively 303 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,480 Speaker 5: speaking in Europe. So the idea that they're dumping it's 304 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 5: not necessarily a misnowment, but clearly there is a there 305 00:15:50,720 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 5: is a lot of worry in Europe. Actually the worry 306 00:15:53,320 --> 00:15:55,840 Speaker 5: extends over to the US and where you hear the 307 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 5: likes of some like Elon Musk saying that you know, 308 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,560 Speaker 5: they're quite concerned that if there was no trade barriers, 309 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 5: then Chinese evs and Chinese cars would be all over 310 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 5: the world. Frankly, there's nothing to stop them apart from 311 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:09,800 Speaker 5: barriers right now. 312 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:12,560 Speaker 2: And the eight hundred pound gorilla in the room would 313 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:17,520 Speaker 2: be Tesla. Is Tesla modeling anything similar to this to 314 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 2: this Yng wong u nine in China. 315 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 5: There isn't. Tesla has its very slim lineup. Clearly its 316 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 5: focus is on the cyber truck, which we have always 317 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 5: seen this hulking beast of unit. But then there's also 318 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 5: the affordable car that they're working on at the moment, 319 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 5: which is going to come through towards the end of 320 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 5: twenty twenty five, So there's nothing really on the Tesla front. 321 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 5: Is that something that they're interested in? Probably not when 322 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 5: you're trying to create volume at scale, So this is 323 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:50,760 Speaker 5: probably not necessarily within Tesla's realm. But you know, when 324 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 5: it comes to margins, that's all very interesting. 325 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 4: So you mentioned I think that this new vehicle was 326 00:16:57,280 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 4: I think the company delivered what a little more than 327 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 4: thirty six hundred units as of the end of January, 328 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 4: Is that right? 329 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 5: Yeah? 330 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:05,800 Speaker 4: Do you think that the overall market in China can 331 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 4: support something that is this ritually priced at scale? I 332 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 4: mean where you're talking about, you know, really doing enough 333 00:17:13,320 --> 00:17:15,120 Speaker 4: in sales to justify the production. 334 00:17:16,119 --> 00:17:19,959 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, the the even for what seems like 335 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 5: a low amount of unit sales, the backlog that this 336 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 5: young one has has, this Young Wong Bang has reported 337 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 5: in the previous months is somewhere closer to thirty thousand 338 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,199 Speaker 5: and for some of the existing lineup. So you know, 339 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 5: with that in mind, when you translate that into real 340 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,440 Speaker 5: dollars and at least a million yuan in pricing, that's 341 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 5: that's pretty good on the bottom line. So there is 342 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 5: a demand even if it's small, but you know the 343 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 5: fact that they're able to generate a much more cash 344 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 5: over you know, one of the more affordable EV units. 345 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 5: It still makes good sense. 346 00:17:52,560 --> 00:17:55,520 Speaker 2: And we have seen from from Ralph Lauren and Louis 347 00:17:55,560 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 2: Vuitton that luxury is holding up pretty well in China. 348 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:00,159 Speaker 2: This might be a good move by Bie. I do 349 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 2: will save that for the next discussion once we see 350 00:18:02,640 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 2: a little bit more in terms of performance. Danny Lee 351 00:18:05,720 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 2: has been with us Bloomberg Asia Transport reporter well. 352 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:20,159 Speaker 4: In South Korea, the widespread walkout by trainee doctors is 353 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 4: heading toward its second week. They are protesting the government's 354 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 4: plan to boost the number of physicians, but the government 355 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 4: doesn't appear to be backing off in any way. Let's 356 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,919 Speaker 4: take a closer look now with Bloomberg's John Hirskowitz, Bloomberg 357 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 4: East Asia Government Editor. He joins us from our studios 358 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 4: in Tokyo. John, thanks for making time for us. Can 359 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 4: you begin by giving me a scope of the doctor 360 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:43,880 Speaker 4: shortage in South Korea? 361 00:18:44,240 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 1: Sure, and the overall situation is South Korea has one 362 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,240 Speaker 1: of the lowest percentage of doctors to population in the 363 00:18:51,280 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: developed world, so the government sees this as a problem 364 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: especially with the country rapidly aging, it sees the need 365 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: to get more doctors in more places, and they're planning 366 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:07,200 Speaker 1: to increase the number of seats at medical schools by 367 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 1: two thousand from next year. They're currently at about three 368 00:19:10,760 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 1: thousand a year. So this is what they see as 369 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: the way that will help get the problem fixed, to 370 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: put more doctors into the field. And it's going to 371 00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 1: take some time to do because this would be first 372 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: year medical school students. It's about a six year process 373 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 1: in school and then going on to internships and the 374 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,800 Speaker 1: trainee doctors who the people who are walking off the job. 375 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:36,920 Speaker 2: Now, you wouldn't think that two thousand jobs or slots 376 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 2: would be such a big deal for a country that 377 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 2: has a pretty sizable population. And I think it also 378 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 2: brings comments from critics that this really doctor is wanting 379 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 2: to protect our levels of income, I suggest, and you 380 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,119 Speaker 2: probably agree that it's more complicated than. 381 00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:56,600 Speaker 1: That exactly, And the doctors see this plan as not 382 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 1: addressing the fundamental problems they see workficulties in the workplace, 383 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: difficulties with malpractice insurance, and also it pay for some 384 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:11,879 Speaker 1: of the more difficult specialties like obstrics, emergency medical care. 385 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:17,680 Speaker 1: But in terms of OECD data, South Korean doctors rank 386 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: among the highest in the world of pay compared to 387 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: the average wage in the country, So the public really 388 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:30,240 Speaker 1: is standing behind the government on this one. A major 389 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,199 Speaker 1: survey showed about three quarters of the public support the 390 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,920 Speaker 1: plan to increase the number of seats at medical schools. 391 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 1: It's helped the support rate for the president rebound in 392 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:44,400 Speaker 1: recent weeks. So the public is frustrated with waiting times 393 00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 1: they want to see doctors, and with this walkout, you're 394 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 1: seeing surgeries being canceled, people are being turned away from 395 00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:57,600 Speaker 1: emergency rooms, Waiting times are getting longer. So the public, 396 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,920 Speaker 1: which has already sided with the government, is facing more 397 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: frustration in terms of being able to access the healthcare system. 398 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 4: Well, there's a parliamentary election I think that going is 399 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 4: going on in April, so maybe that's part of what's happening. 400 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 4: But I'm curious if you look at the average physician 401 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 4: in South Korea, how long do they work, how many 402 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 4: years do they clock in for their career before they 403 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:21,840 Speaker 4: consider retirement. 404 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: I think it would be comfortable to other parts of 405 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: the world. You know, it is a highly developed medical system. 406 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: They have health South Grea's National healthcare It's a really 407 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,199 Speaker 1: When I lived in South Korea, i took part in 408 00:21:37,240 --> 00:21:42,480 Speaker 1: the healthcare system. It's a really thorough, comprehensive system, and 409 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: the doctors are comparable to what you would see in 410 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:49,800 Speaker 1: other parts of the world, but they are not as 411 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 1: many in number as you would find in place like 412 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:52,439 Speaker 1: the US. 413 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's astonishing. Here in Hong Kong, you 414 00:21:55,840 --> 00:22:00,040 Speaker 2: have both a private and public hospital systems, and the 415 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 2: the doctors in the public hospital system are terribly overworked. 416 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 2: I mean, pulling eighteen hour shifts, that type of thing. 417 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 2: The doctors in the private healthcare system are pretty comfortable, 418 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,840 Speaker 2: and it's very difficult for the government to get past 419 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 2: the lobby to bring more doctors in. They fight tooth 420 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 2: and nail to keep the situation as is. I'm curious 421 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 2: whether there's any parallel on that in South Korea. Are 422 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 2: doctors terribly overworked, particularly in some of the more public hospitals. 423 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 1: Yes, and you'll find incredibly long hours, especially for the 424 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,880 Speaker 1: trainee doctors. I don't know how that compares to other 425 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: parts of the world that are working hours to compared 426 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: to Japan or Hong Kong, but there is a lot 427 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: of strain on doctors, especially early on in their careers. 428 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 1: It's a very difficult situation for them to be in 429 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: and the government is thinking that if you bring more 430 00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 1: doctors on board, it will help alleviate some of the strains. 431 00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,000 Speaker 4: So I mentioned the fact that in April the parliament 432 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 4: tray elections will be happening. Can you put this conversation 433 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 4: in that context? What what do the elections mean for this. 434 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,080 Speaker 1: One of the key focuses is going to be this election. 435 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:16,800 Speaker 1: Yun's Conservative People Power Party is trying to retain regain 436 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 1: the majority in parliament. The Progressive Democratic Party and its 437 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:27,320 Speaker 1: allies control the majority now and they're much more They 438 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: traditionally have been much more focused on labor groups, much 439 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: more of a pro labor camp. So with this, the 440 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:39,400 Speaker 1: this in terms of public polling seems to show more 441 00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: support for Un and the government's position, which could help 442 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 1: his party take more seats when the election comes. South 443 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:51,600 Speaker 1: Korean president's service single five year term. Yun would if 444 00:23:51,640 --> 00:23:54,439 Speaker 1: he his party got the majority in parliament for the 445 00:23:54,480 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: remain the remaining three years in his term, there would 446 00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:01,879 Speaker 1: be an end to gridlock. He could pass is party, 447 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,679 Speaker 1: his party could pass policies more business friendly, taking a 448 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 1: tougher line on labor unions. So there's a lot at 449 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: stake on this. The election will determine how UN's remaining 450 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 1: three years in office will be and if it'll be 451 00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 1: gridlock or Phil heckid majority. 452 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 4: And the plan to add another two thousand slots for 453 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 4: medical schools. Most definitely, John, thank you for making time 454 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 4: to chat with us. John Hurskowitz is Bloomberg East Asia 455 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 4: Government Editor helping us understand this walkout. 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