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Speaker 1: It is Monday, September fourteenth, twenty twenty, season sixteen, episode
Speaker 1: number twenty two. Welcome to another edition of The Break.
Speaker 1: We are alive in this WBC Mortgage studios at the Star.
Speaker 1: Nick and I are joined by Dave helm and Amber Garcia.
Speaker 1: They are at their homes and we're gonna talk some
Speaker 1: Cowboys football with you guys for an hour. We're coming
Speaker 1: off the first game of the season and Cowboys lose
Speaker 1: to the Los Angeles Rams twenty to seventeen. Nick's gonna
Speaker 1: give us an idea at some point during the show
Speaker 1: of what the scene was like there. He was at
Speaker 1: that new beautiful stadium so far right now, you want
Speaker 1: to do that quick? All right? Yep, that's very much
Speaker 1: what it sounded like like that, you know. Actually, the
Speaker 1: funny thing is I said on the show last week
Speaker 1: I think it was last week. I said that I'd
Speaker 1: been watching some college games and I that I didn't
Speaker 1: really notice the crowd not being there. Yesterday, it was
Speaker 1: very apparent to me that there was no crowd there.
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but for some reason, even the
Speaker 1: energy just feeled like it felt like it was very
Speaker 1: very different. Dave Ember, did you guys notice the same thing? Yeah,
Speaker 1: all I hear is day's papers. Oh I'm sorry, Sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm looking through my stats. Am I bad? You have
Speaker 1: to look for stats to talk about the environment. That
Speaker 1: was good? Okay, what you got. I'm just getting my
Speaker 1: talking points ready, Derek. Okay, all right, tell you what show?
Speaker 1: I know this. Okay, let's go jump right in. Hey,
Speaker 1: I'll just say this though about that, like, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I saw some games earlier in the day and the
Speaker 1: Thursday night game and all that, But I mean this,
Speaker 1: if you have like a little bit of add which
Speaker 1: I maybe I have sometimes when you're not always paying
Speaker 1: attention and all of a sudden, but I was telling
Speaker 1: Dave this, when the crowd will tell you look up,
Speaker 1: and that doesn't happen. You know, you just hear whistles
Speaker 1: and you hear the other side I mean, that's one
Speaker 1: thing they were saying they could hear the calls from
Speaker 1: the other sideline, so they got to crank up that
Speaker 1: that noise a little bit. It was kind of interesting
Speaker 1: because I thought that the NFL gave all the team's
Speaker 1: license to have crowd noise. My assumption is they decided
Speaker 1: we're good without crowd noise, and it may make sense
Speaker 1: for some teams that offensively, they're like, you know, we
Speaker 1: don't really want a lot of crowd noise. We like
Speaker 1: to be able to just run efficiently, and we think
Speaker 1: we run best when we don't have to deal with
Speaker 1: crowd noise, even home crowd noise. Right, Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: but I think it was a bad product just just
Speaker 1: from listening to it. I don't know what it sounded
Speaker 1: like on TV, but I mean it was. It was
Speaker 1: pretty It was pretty excited. I thought, yep, all right,
Speaker 1: let's jump in. I did want to start the show
Speaker 1: by first going around and asking everyone what did you
Speaker 1: think was the biggest story coming out of that game. Obviously,
Speaker 1: there were a lot of things that happened in that
Speaker 1: game even before the game began. There were things that
Speaker 1: we that we found out just as the game was
Speaker 1: about to kick off. But I want to know from
Speaker 1: you guys, what do you think was the biggest story
Speaker 1: coming out of the game. Let's start first with you Amber.
Speaker 1: I think that the biggest story for me was that
Speaker 1: none of my questions were answered. I feel like I
Speaker 1: walked out of this game with more questions than I
Speaker 1: already had, so there. I think that overall, if you
Speaker 1: look at each spot, maybe there's not a huge area
Speaker 1: of concern that sounds terrible. There are a huge concern
Speaker 1: but I just think I just think that honestly, waking
Speaker 1: up today, I don't think the game was as bad
Speaker 1: as I thought initially. I don't feel terrible. My biggest
Speaker 1: concern is, Okay, what happens now with the injuries. Those
Speaker 1: are big questions for me, especially at the linebacker position,
Speaker 1: and then some of the things that were happening in
Speaker 1: the defensive lining. You and I, Derek could argue all
Speaker 1: day about it, but I did not walked out of
Speaker 1: that game pleased at all. Dave, I guess my big takeaway,
Speaker 1: and I mean, it's week one, no preseason like all
Speaker 1: that stuff is fair to say, but if you're asking
Speaker 1: me for one big takeaway, it's that after nine months
Speaker 1: of all that talk about hope and change, I saw
Speaker 1: a team that looked pretty damn similar to what we
Speaker 1: watched all last year. Like across the board, shoot special
Speaker 1: teams weren't terrible, but even special teams had a missfield goal,
Speaker 1: missed opportunity for points, costly drops by receivers, bad pass
Speaker 1: protection at times. I thought the play calling looked pretty
Speaker 1: vanilla for the most part, and then obviously the defense
Speaker 1: pretty much all of the familiar hallmarks. Pass rush that
Speaker 1: didn't do a whole lot for the most part, linebacker
Speaker 1: player that didn't look up the snuff like. It looked
Speaker 1: a lot like last year, which is a bummer after
Speaker 1: all of the excitement and unknowns. Nick, I just thought,
Speaker 1: you know, this offense just couldn't do anything, you know, consistently.
Speaker 1: I thought they were gonna have a little bit more
Speaker 1: firepower and and make more plays, and you know, they didn't.
Speaker 1: They were kind of they were stifled too many times
Speaker 1: and couldn't you know, extend the drives and get those
Speaker 1: extra yards on third down just to keep it going,
Speaker 1: and kept shooting themselves in the foot. I thought the
Speaker 1: offense was disappointing. Yeah, you look at this game overall,
Speaker 1: and I kind of agree with with a little bit
Speaker 1: of all of what you guys have said about that.
Speaker 1: It actually reminded speaking of what Dave was saying, it
Speaker 1: actually reminded me of the playoff game when the Cowboys
Speaker 1: went to play the Rams in LA a few years ago,
Speaker 1: and you know, you look at how they used the
Speaker 1: mister direction, you look at how they use screens. They
Speaker 1: basically negated the pass rush at the cow that we
Speaker 1: were so excited to see the Cowboys put on display.
Speaker 1: It really looked to me as though, you know, I
Speaker 1: think there's a lot being made during this during training
Speaker 1: camp of you know, being secretive and keeping stuff behind
Speaker 1: closed doors because you know, you didn't want stuff out there.
Speaker 1: But the Cowboys look to be way more surprised by
Speaker 1: an offense with the Rams. And by the way, this
Speaker 1: is an offense that they've had on display for the
Speaker 1: last couple of years. But the Cowboys look way more
Speaker 1: shell shocked defensively than I think the Rams. Did you
Speaker 1: guys agree with that? Yeah, I mean I do agree.
Speaker 1: I woke up this morning and literally the first thing
Speaker 1: I thought when my eyes opened, I'm like, the first
Speaker 1: thought that came to my mind was like McCarthy, seriously,
Speaker 1: all this secretive, all this hiding for what what you
Speaker 1: do with that? Nothing? But this is another year of
Speaker 1: the cowboys. Here we go. Oh, Age, No, your tolerance
Speaker 1: for this is just so low, and I appreciate it.
Speaker 1: I really do think that I was most shocked by that,
Speaker 1: and that to me. I actually the one of the
Speaker 1: things I was looking forward to was as much as
Speaker 1: McCarthy talked about how you know, he spent this year
Speaker 1: away and he's really been studying the NFL and studying teams,
Speaker 1: I expected that, if nothing else, they would come in
Speaker 1: with this really unique game plan and unique way that
Speaker 1: they were going to attack the RAMS. And like you said, David,
Speaker 1: it felt to me, again they could have had a
Speaker 1: really different game plan, but it felt like it was
Speaker 1: much of the same stuff that they'd been doing. And
Speaker 1: maybe part of that is that your offensive coordinator at
Speaker 1: least still the same guy. It's still the same guy
Speaker 1: calling the play at the end of the day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's it does kind of strike a blow for Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it just it strikes a blow for the
Speaker 1: philosophy that, you know, the fun wild offense we saw
Speaker 1: the first three weeks of the Year. Last year was
Speaker 1: all Kellen Moore and then Jason Garrett just just stomped
Speaker 1: all the creativity out of him. Because Jason Garrett's not here,
Speaker 1: and that looked like, you know, weeks four to seventeen
Speaker 1: like that. I mean, and they had their moments, and
Speaker 1: when you're that talented, you're gonna have your moments. Zeke
Speaker 1: Elliott looked amazing last night. That's probably the biggest bright
Speaker 1: spot of the entire game. But I just thought they
Speaker 1: were boring and contrast that with some of the stuff
Speaker 1: the Rams were doing. Yeah, it was a bummer. Let's
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the injuries that I think
Speaker 1: is again Amber alluded to it, but I think that's
Speaker 1: a big story coming out of that game. You lose
Speaker 1: Layton vander Esh, you lose Blake Jarwin, you lose Cam Irving.
Speaker 1: I guess first, Nick, you were on the trip. Have
Speaker 1: you heard anything more about what those injuries are and
Speaker 1: how long each of those players will be out? Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I'm supposed to say this, but on
Speaker 1: the tenor on the seating chart going out, there was
Speaker 1: three spots kind of in front of us that said
Speaker 1: injured player, injured player, injured player, and like nobody was
Speaker 1: sitting in that. It just like three spots. Well, Blake
Speaker 1: Jarwin was sitting in that on the way back, and
Speaker 1: I think Irving was as well, and so I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds like Blake Jarwin has a torn
Speaker 1: acl That's what I mean, that's what the fear is.
Speaker 1: That's what that's what it sounds like, and that it's
Speaker 1: and I don't think the MRI has come in just
Speaker 1: yet to confirm that, but that's kind of what the
Speaker 1: speculation is there. Um and and then just quickly, I
Speaker 1: mean Layton vander esh it looks like broken collar bone.
Speaker 1: They can do a couple of different things there. Either
Speaker 1: gonna be like four to six or six to eight maybe,
Speaker 1: but he's gonna be out a little bit. And then Irving,
Speaker 1: I'm not really sure on that one. On Cam Irving
Speaker 1: just yet? Is it there are more than that? That's
Speaker 1: the three? That No, that's the three. And actually, to
Speaker 1: be honest with you, I was I am actually pleasantly.
Speaker 1: I don't want to say surprised, but I'm actually happy
Speaker 1: with what we heard about LV because my first thought was, Oh,
Speaker 1: we're back to the neck injury. Oh yeah, and and
Speaker 1: so when it ended up that it was a broken
Speaker 1: collar bone, to me, that was that was somewhat of
Speaker 1: a relief because I just if it was the neck again,
Speaker 1: that's when I start worrying about, like what does this
Speaker 1: mean for his long term uh, not only just playing career,
Speaker 1: but what does this mean for his life? Right? I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just I'm glad that it's something like that. That
Speaker 1: is a very like it is a bone. It is broken, right,
Speaker 1: you have to do what you gotta do to heal it. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean you're right, it's not the same, but it's
Speaker 1: kind of like it's like Sean Lee, did he ever
Speaker 1: had the same injury? Just had one every year? You know?
Speaker 1: So it's like, I hope you're not getting down that
Speaker 1: road with him, But it's happening a linebacker. I mean,
Speaker 1: just start thinking about that, you know. And also to
Speaker 1: Dave and Amber on this one, But the sad part
Speaker 1: is is that they were thinn at tight end already
Speaker 1: and then he gets and then he gets her thinnet linebacker,
Speaker 1: thinnet right tackle. So it didn't help that these were
Speaker 1: happening the positions already in question. Dave, Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, is you know those were the problem spots.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, I don't think anybody expected Terrence
Speaker 1: Steele to be the starter, which you know didn't didn't
Speaker 1: sink the game. But again, like you're you're drastically thin there,
Speaker 1: you lose I guess we thought cam Irving would be
Speaker 1: the starter, but you lose your primary backup instead. And
Speaker 1: then yeah, I mean linebacker, you still got a minimum
Speaker 1: of two weeks until Sean Lee is available. That looks
Speaker 1: scary based on what we saw, man, I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't want to overreact to one week, but that was
Speaker 1: disheartening to say the least. Jalen Smith's performance. I thought
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas seemed like he was fine, but I mean
Speaker 1: the Rams ran for one hundred and fifty yards. And
Speaker 1: then I don't know what you do about tight end
Speaker 1: because Dalton Schultz kind of I mean, he got an
Speaker 1: opportunity to step up. I mean, Blake went down in
Speaker 1: the second quarter, so you have two and a half
Speaker 1: quarters to step up, and the early returns on that
Speaker 1: are not great. Two pretty big drops and a pass
Speaker 1: interference pum Sean mccun. Sean mckun wasn't active for this game,
Speaker 1: so we didn't get to see him, so and and
Speaker 1: Blake Bell played eight snaps um, which I didn't expect
Speaker 1: him to have a huge role, But that's a pretty
Speaker 1: low number for me. So, I mean, I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know what you do about tight end. If if
Speaker 1: Blake Jarwin is on a is gone for the season,
Speaker 1: Cole Hiccottini's on the practice squad, I don't know if
Speaker 1: that is good enough to inspire confidence. Um. That's that's
Speaker 1: That's one of the most disheartening things to come out
Speaker 1: of this is that we got to watch one catch
Speaker 1: from Blake Jarwin this year. Yeah, I hate it for
Speaker 1: for Blake, but I think what's happening at linebacker is
Speaker 1: a much bigger issue for this team because as I
Speaker 1: watched those linebackers play last night, they weren't diagnosing plays well. When,
Speaker 1: especially when you got a team that does a lot
Speaker 1: of misdirection and screens, you want your linebackers being able
Speaker 1: to diagnose when they see those offensive linemen pulling. You
Speaker 1: want them to be able to diagnose that quickly and
Speaker 1: then be able to run to get there to support.
Speaker 1: And they were slow and recognizing it. They were often
Speaker 1: in an out of position and then they couldn't get
Speaker 1: off blocks and they didn't have the speed to get
Speaker 1: to the ball, and especially that first drive, if you
Speaker 1: go back and watch that, it was a horrible drive
Speaker 1: for the linebackers. And I just I look at that
Speaker 1: all around, and I'm really concerned. Now you've got two
Speaker 1: guys right now that looks like we'll be injured for
Speaker 1: a while with Sean Lee and Layton vander esh Jalen
Speaker 1: Smith didn't play great. At this point, I'm like, maybe
Speaker 1: get those young linebackers and put them in there and
Speaker 1: let them play. Maybe they can run, maybe they can
Speaker 1: have better instincts. I don't know, but I just think
Speaker 1: right now the Cowboys are struggling at the linebacker position.
Speaker 1: Let's put tack our first break when we come back.
Speaker 1: I want to get into the segment we're gonna call
Speaker 1: moments that mattered. We'll do it every Monday. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: lay out some of the moments that I thought were
Speaker 1: important in the game, and we'll talk about them and
Speaker 1: see what you guys think that when we come right back.
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Speaker 1: We're in the second segment of The Break from the
Speaker 1: s WBC Mortgage studios. At the start, David Amber joining
Speaker 1: us from their homes. We're talking about the Cowboys lost.
Speaker 1: They loose to the Los Angeles Rams to start the
Speaker 1: season twenty seventeen. Let's get into this segment. We call Moments,
Speaker 1: set and Matter. I have four moments in the game
Speaker 1: that I thought were big moments for this team and
Speaker 1: kind of dictated what happened ultimately in the Cowboys loss.
Speaker 1: Let's start first. With three fifty eight left in the
Speaker 1: third quarter. It was third and seven at the Rams thirty.
Speaker 1: Goff backs up to pass. He throws the ball. He's
Speaker 1: throwing it to Jefferson's intercepted by Cheeto. The pressure on
Speaker 1: that play was created by Alden Smith, who forced that
Speaker 1: bad throw which created the opportunity for Cheeto to be
Speaker 1: able to get the interception. Obviously, on that play, as
Speaker 1: everybody saw in the replay, it was clearly a penalty.
Speaker 1: Should have been a personal file against Alden Smith. But
Speaker 1: I really set this up to talk about it from
Speaker 1: the standpoint of Alden Smith and how he played. Nick,
Speaker 1: tell me, what were your thoughts on Aldon Smith? Yet? Six?
Speaker 1: I mean sorry tackles, one sack, two quarterback hits. Well,
Speaker 1: I thought he was a different snaker throughout the game.
Speaker 1: There was a play that if the Cowboys had had one,
Speaker 1: would have been one of those five. Don't forget about
Speaker 1: he made a nice tackle behind the line of scrimmage
Speaker 1: that led to a field goal that was missed by
Speaker 1: the Rams. Early in the game. I thought he kind
Speaker 1: of turned the game around when it wasn't looking good early.
Speaker 1: I thought he just had really good pressure. It was
Speaker 1: nice to see one of those pass rushers to get pressure.
Speaker 1: Like I said, Nan, I guess talking about pressure, Dave,
Speaker 1: why why do you think the Cowboys weren't able to
Speaker 1: generate much pressure? We saw all throughout training camp that
Speaker 1: the one thing that this defense seemed like they could
Speaker 1: do really well was get after the passer. They didn't
Speaker 1: seem to do that very much last night. Honestly, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, I know you're asking me about the defense,
Speaker 1: but it makes me think about the Cowboys offense. I think,
Speaker 1: not to let anybody off the hook, but I think
Speaker 1: a big part of it is the Rams did not
Speaker 1: give the Cowboys a ton of opportunities to do that
Speaker 1: you mentioned at the beginning. I mean, how many how
Speaker 1: many middle screens, receiver screens did we see? You know,
Speaker 1: I saw it last night. The Rams social team made
Speaker 1: a super cut of Robert Woods's six catches for one
Speaker 1: hundred and five yards. Six catches for one hundred and
Speaker 1: five yards. Four of them happened within ten yards of
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage, and three of them were behind
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. Jared Goff was getting the ball
Speaker 1: out fast as hell and Obviously, the Rams were concerned
Speaker 1: about negating that pass rush, which the reason I bring
Speaker 1: up the Cowboys offenses, why don't they do that? You
Speaker 1: got a rookie right tackle, and like I said, I
Speaker 1: thought Terren Steele held up pretty well for his first
Speaker 1: NFL game. But you didn't see that type of play
Speaker 1: calling or decision making from the Cowboys recognizing that, hey,
Speaker 1: there's a game wrecking defensive tackle over there and your
Speaker 1: line is a little compromised. I would have loved to
Speaker 1: have seen some more of that built into the offense
Speaker 1: where you're not asking Dak to drop back that way. So,
Speaker 1: like I said, the pass rush needs to be better,
Speaker 1: but a lot of that was by design, I think
Speaker 1: on the Rams part. Yeah, it's interesting, Dave, because a
Speaker 1: good amber I was gonna say, I mean, it's very
Speaker 1: concerning to me the fact that the best defensive player
Speaker 1: was a guy that hasn't been playing for like what
Speaker 1: it was in five years, So that is very concerning.
Speaker 1: I was. I mean, I was expecting good things from
Speaker 1: Aldon Smith. He had a great camp, but at the
Speaker 1: same time you talked about all this other talent that's
Speaker 1: there in the line, and they weren't able to play
Speaker 1: up to the expectations once again, and many many issues there.
Speaker 1: And when you talk about the Rams, I think we
Speaker 1: saw it last week when we were analyzing the Rams.
Speaker 1: I don't think this is the best team that they're
Speaker 1: going to be facing here in the first weeks of
Speaker 1: the season. So again, when you compared the Rams and
Speaker 1: what they got their talent wise, I don't think the
Speaker 1: Cowboys should have played the way that they did. Let's
Speaker 1: go ahead and move on to that next moment. It
Speaker 1: was twelve to twenty six left in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: This time it's third and six at the Ram fourteen.
Speaker 1: You had a run by Zeke for three yards, and
Speaker 1: and it's fourth and three. Cowboys decide instead of kicking
Speaker 1: the field goal that they're going to throw the pass.
Speaker 1: They throw a pass to Ceedee Lamb on a crossing route.
Speaker 1: He has tackled short of the first down marker turnover
Speaker 1: on downs. My first question for you guys is the
Speaker 1: big question I think most fans are talking about today.
Speaker 1: Do we think it was a good decision for the
Speaker 1: Cowboys to forego the field goal up to attempt in
Speaker 1: favor of trying to get the first down. Let's start
Speaker 1: with you Nick. Yes, I think it was a good decision,
Speaker 1: and it's a question you have to ask yourself before
Speaker 1: the result. I mean sometimes that that happens like that
Speaker 1: playing and simple for me, Dallas wasn't the better team
Speaker 1: last night. I thought the Rams were better. I think
Speaker 1: everyone could see that. I think the coach could see that.
Speaker 1: And you get to a point in the game where
Speaker 1: you're like, Okay, we could try to we could tie
Speaker 1: this up and all that, but we need to go
Speaker 1: take the lead. We need to put the pressure on them.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we can stop them. I think
Speaker 1: they thought they had a good call there and let
Speaker 1: the guy go make a play and you know he
Speaker 1: ran it too short and and you know, maybe it
Speaker 1: was his fault or someone else's. But I like the aggressiveness.
Speaker 1: I think that that's the type of coach McCarthy's going
Speaker 1: to be in the sixteen game season. I think fans
Speaker 1: are gonna like that aggressiveness more than the is showed
Speaker 1: in that particular moment. I don't have a problem with
Speaker 1: the call Camber. I like the call. I don't like
Speaker 1: the play that they decided to go with on fourth
Speaker 1: and third. I think I would have chosen to probably
Speaker 1: run the ball, especially when Zeke was the one that
Speaker 1: has been carrying the offense pretty much throughout the game.
Speaker 1: And I get it that Ceedee Lamb, We've seen the
Speaker 1: amazing talent that he has, but when it comes to
Speaker 1: a fourth down call me personally, I would try to
Speaker 1: rely on a veteran guy and not a rookie. And
Speaker 1: I think that there's a little blame on both sides.
Speaker 1: Maybe it was a good call and just Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 1: didn't make the right turn and get in the right
Speaker 1: position that he needed to do. But all in all,
Speaker 1: good call, bad played decision, I think, Dave. I'm I'm
Speaker 1: so happy that me and Nick are on the same
Speaker 1: side of a philosophy question because I feel like that's
Speaker 1: where we typically butt heads. But I liked it. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean the play didn't work. I thought, Dalton, you know,
Speaker 1: they ran a mesh concept with two receivers go in
Speaker 1: opposite ways. I thought, Dalton Schultz probably could have run
Speaker 1: his route deeper to draw defenders away. Ceedee Lamb, obviously,
Speaker 1: maybe run your route to the sticks next time. Also,
Speaker 1: I mean, Jordan Fuller made a hell of a play
Speaker 1: for that matter, Like as we always say, like the
Speaker 1: other guys get paid too. Jordan Fuller awesome play on
Speaker 1: his part. That happens sometimes. But I thought, you know,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys were outplayed. It's one thing if you really
Speaker 1: trust your defense and you want to play that game
Speaker 1: and kick a fuel goal and you think you can
Speaker 1: stop him, that's fine. I don't think anybody felt confident
Speaker 1: about that. I love the idea of going to get
Speaker 1: the touchdown, taking the lead, and dictating the last eight
Speaker 1: nine minutes of the game. We talk about how the
Speaker 1: pass rush couldn't generate pressure because of the way the
Speaker 1: Rams were playing. That's a way to fix that is
Speaker 1: to take a you know, a four point lead that
Speaker 1: takes the Rams out of the field goal game and
Speaker 1: and sort of helps them play into your hands a
Speaker 1: little bit. I loved it, and for that matter, something
Speaker 1: we always hated about the way Jason Garrett did things.
Speaker 1: In Jason Garrett's era, they would have run the play
Speaker 1: on third down, see what they got, and decided what
Speaker 1: to do from there. They probably would have burned a
Speaker 1: time out discussing it. Jason Garrett would have looked really angry.
Speaker 1: But and I don't know this. We can talk to
Speaker 1: Kellen Moore about it later today. From my vantage point,
Speaker 1: it looked like Kellen Moore saw a favorable look in
Speaker 1: the box and said, all right, let's see what Zeke
Speaker 1: can do on this third and six, and we're gonna go.
Speaker 1: We're gonna go on fourth down no matter what happens
Speaker 1: unless they lose yards. And and we're thinking two plays ahead.
Speaker 1: That's something that they never did under Garrett. Absolutely were,
Speaker 1: they were thinking a play ahead, which they never did before.
Speaker 1: It didn't work. But I love the aggressiveness of it.
Speaker 1: You know, people that are mad about it, basically you're
Speaker 1: just saying you only want to go for it if
Speaker 1: you're in no man's land. It's not Jason Garrett did
Speaker 1: not true at all. No, I want to hear it.
Speaker 1: I want to hear your part. Well, no, here's the deal.
Speaker 1: Here's the deal I think. And first of all, I'm
Speaker 1: not one of those people that was on Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: about those kinds of decisions. I tend to be more
Speaker 1: conservative when it comes to games like that. A very
Speaker 1: very close game. You got teams in my opinion, that
Speaker 1: were pretty evenly matched. I know, as we were looking
Speaker 1: at it, we're thinking of cowboys the defense playing horrible
Speaker 1: offense can't get it done. But this was a close game.
Speaker 1: These teams were evenly matched, and in a game like that,
Speaker 1: to me, you give your chance, your team every chance
Speaker 1: to win, and you give your team every chance to
Speaker 1: stay in the game. And I look at just the
Speaker 1: previous series before that Cowboys stalled on the RAM fifteen.
Speaker 1: I think it was where they had the same thing,
Speaker 1: had two incompletions and end up having to kick a
Speaker 1: field goal. And my thought is what gave him confidence
Speaker 1: in that moment after just on the previous drive you
Speaker 1: had two get in completions to finish it off to
Speaker 1: where you had to kick the field goal. What made
Speaker 1: you think on this drive, all of a sudden, you're
Speaker 1: now going to get that first down and keep your
Speaker 1: drive alive. I hadn't seen a lot of consistency from
Speaker 1: this offense throughout the day. I didn't have very much confidence.
Speaker 1: My thought is you do what you're gonna do on
Speaker 1: third down. I love the play call. By the way,
Speaker 1: on fourth down, I think the idea was right. I
Speaker 1: think you were trying to get that rub to where
Speaker 1: to where you could get this guy free. And by
Speaker 1: the way, if he gets free. Oh my god, he's
Speaker 1: probably may get to the end zone, who knows. But
Speaker 1: so I love the play call. I think they should
Speaker 1: have done that on third down. And then if you
Speaker 1: get the first down, great, If you don't, you take
Speaker 1: the points. You live to fight another day and you
Speaker 1: still are in this game, right. I think at twenty
Speaker 1: to seventeen, as we saw it, like it just there
Speaker 1: wasn't enough there. I didn't think you were gonna necessarily
Speaker 1: just drive right back down and get right back into
Speaker 1: position if you didn't get it, I think you needed
Speaker 1: those three points. Yeah, but I just think to just
Speaker 1: to make just to say when you said, who's you know,
Speaker 1: why did he think that? Why did he think that
Speaker 1: was going to happen? You know when the previous you know,
Speaker 1: possession on offense. But you could also make the case, well,
Speaker 1: you know, what makes them think that they're gonna get
Speaker 1: the ball back of the game tied and their kicker
Speaker 1: is gonna make a lung field goal? You know? I mean, like,
Speaker 1: not only did he did he miss the kick, it
Speaker 1: seemed like he was kind of getting close to those
Speaker 1: uprights and some of the other ones as well. So
Speaker 1: I don't know how confident they were The one thing
Speaker 1: I will say though, and I think we've all noticed
Speaker 1: this during training camp. Sirline has been pretty money during
Speaker 1: training camp. The one area he hasn't been is fifty plus.
Speaker 1: So that fifty three miss, I don't put that on him.
Speaker 1: It is what it is. You miss fifty three yards,
Speaker 1: it's fine, Like that is not a huge deal. So
Speaker 1: I think you're you're playing. You're playing to get yourself
Speaker 1: into at least a forty six, forty seven or less,
Speaker 1: is the way I look at it. I'm not unless
Speaker 1: I absolutely have to. I'm not necessarily lying on him
Speaker 1: to kick fifty plus yard field goals. But again, I
Speaker 1: just feel like at that point they had a better
Speaker 1: opportunity take your three points, tie up the game, and
Speaker 1: let's see where it goes from that second down. How
Speaker 1: about that? I mean, he fired that ball in his
Speaker 1: shouts and he dropped it. I mean it was a
Speaker 1: tough catch, but it was There's so many moments in
Speaker 1: that game where Schultz's name came up and it wasn't positive.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's kind of amazing that that
Speaker 1: that's kind of where they were, but the fact that
Speaker 1: they felt like he was the best option to come
Speaker 1: in after you know, Jarwin goes down. Does make me
Speaker 1: wonder a bit like what's happening with Blake Bell they,
Speaker 1: I mean, they went out and signed him as a
Speaker 1: free agent. My expectation was he was the second tight
Speaker 1: end on this team, but it does not look like
Speaker 1: that from what we've seen. It's going to answer that
Speaker 1: first day. Blake Bell is not that guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's never He's really never been receiving tight end in
Speaker 1: his entire career. Granted, I know Dalton Schultz has done
Speaker 1: much of anything. Hey either, I know that, but I
Speaker 1: mean that that's Blake Bell. I don't think was brought
Speaker 1: here to be a viable part of the passing game,
Speaker 1: not on a regular basis At this point, do you
Speaker 1: think they have to? And I honestly, unless they are
Speaker 1: sold that Cole Hiccottini can do it, then I don't
Speaker 1: know that they that they might have to go look
Speaker 1: somewhere else. You know, people are tweeting me about Delaney
Speaker 1: Walker or trading for David Joku. I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's on the practice squad. He seemed to have a
Speaker 1: decent camp. But if that's not the answer, then I
Speaker 1: don't think the answers on the team right now, honestly,
Speaker 1: and that's you know, obviously we're already getting sarcastic tweets
Speaker 1: about what we saw at training camp. I stand by
Speaker 1: what I said. Dalton Schultz had a really solid training camp.
Speaker 1: But the thing you got to remember is every year
Speaker 1: at training camp, somebody looks good in practice and wilts
Speaker 1: when the lights come on in the preseason. The differences,
Speaker 1: we didn't have a preseason, so not all of them,
Speaker 1: I mean, not all of these guys were going to
Speaker 1: be ready when the lights came on, and it's one week.
Speaker 1: But like I said, I mean Dalton Schultz, he had
Speaker 1: a built in opportunity to make his case when Blake
Speaker 1: went down and it didn't happen for him, and I
Speaker 1: don't think they can get away with letting that be
Speaker 1: for too many more games. Let's go ahead and take
Speaker 1: our chefs. I was. I was just gonna say, I'm
Speaker 1: no scout and I barely know any football, but based
Speaker 1: on everything that I've seen from Schultz, I have not
Speaker 1: seen a single thing that makes me want to keep
Speaker 1: him on the team. And I know that he had
Speaker 1: a second good half of training camp, but at the
Speaker 1: same time, not enough for him to earn that second
Speaker 1: spot right behind Blake Jarwin. He just he has not
Speaker 1: done enough to be a guy that you can be
Speaker 1: relying on, and he clearly showed that. And I know,
Speaker 1: maybe it's not fair to say because again, like Dy've
Speaker 1: mentioned that haven't had preseason games and sometimes it takes
Speaker 1: guys a few games to kind of get going. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, there is no way that the
Speaker 1: Cowboys can keep going to this second week just relying
Speaker 1: on this guy. All Right, We're gonna take our final
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Speaker 1: moments from that game than we gotta talk about when
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Speaker 1: Welcome back. It is the final segment of the show.
Speaker 1: It's a Monday, for sure. It's definitely a Monday, and
Speaker 1: it's definitely a Monday after a late game, and it
Speaker 1: feels a little bit like it's a loss. So I
Speaker 1: think it's it's kind of feeling like football season is
Speaker 1: here because the energy is a little a little bit
Speaker 1: weird today. But we're gonna power through that and by
Speaker 1: tomorrow we're gonna be back and ready to get you
Speaker 1: guys ready for the next game, Cowboys versus Falcons. But
Speaker 1: we do have a couple more moments from this game
Speaker 1: that I think we need to go through because I
Speaker 1: think they were important to the game. It was five
Speaker 1: fourteen left in the fourth quarter h third and fifteen
Speaker 1: at the Dallas seventeen Cowboys tried to throw our Dak
Speaker 1: tried to throw a pass to a Mari. It would
Speaker 1: have been a seven yard game. He kind of grasped
Speaker 1: it for a moment and then Jalen Ramsey put a
Speaker 1: big hit on him and he let go of the ball.
Speaker 1: My question for you guys is do you have fault
Speaker 1: with a Mari over that or is that just one
Speaker 1: of those plays where Jayleen just made it. I mean,
Speaker 1: jay Ramsey just made a great play. Kellen Moore, I
Speaker 1: have a problem with Kellen Moore on that play. Okay,
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey's covering Michael Gallop. Why are they right there?
Speaker 1: Spread the field a little bit. He comes off of
Speaker 1: Michael Gallup, he's running, He's there's too close. If it
Speaker 1: Gallup needs to clear or get out of the way.
Speaker 1: Get Jalen Ramsey out of the way because he comes
Speaker 1: off of that and makes that hit on him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: catch the ball, Mary Cooper, that's what twenty million dollars
Speaker 1: a year is supposed to be. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: get the All Pro one hundred million dollars cornerback out
Speaker 1: of the picture. And I thought that was a kind
Speaker 1: of a bad play design by them, Camber, I think
Speaker 1: it's a combination of both. Honestly, Amari Cooper, that wasn't
Speaker 1: the only play where he just didn't seem to be
Speaker 1: doing what he's supposed to do as a receiver in
Speaker 1: with his hands. He there were several locations where you
Speaker 1: just felt like he didn't want to catch the ball
Speaker 1: or something. Again, I might be the road game theme
Speaker 1: maybe come back again this year. We'll see, but he
Speaker 1: just needs to play better as far as that. Dak Prescott, Honestly,
Speaker 1: I thought he had a pretty nice game. I know
Speaker 1: that a lot of people are criticizing him in this game,
Speaker 1: but I thought he did a nice job based on
Speaker 1: what he had and what could do. I think that
Speaker 1: play was more on Amari Cooper. Yeah, for reference dec Head,
Speaker 1: he was twenty five or thirty nine, two hundred and
Speaker 1: sixty six yards a touchdown, no interceptions, and then had
Speaker 1: a thirty yards rushing All in all, a pretty pretty
Speaker 1: good day for Dak Prescott. Dave, did you find fault
Speaker 1: with Cooper on not catching that ball? Yeah? I remember
Speaker 1: being shocked last night when I said I found fault
Speaker 1: with it, and you were kind of like I don't know.
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey's pretty good. I'm like, I'm no, twenty million dollars.
Speaker 1: It hits you in both hands. You gotta you have
Speaker 1: to make that play. And I know it's hard, that's
Speaker 1: I mean, it's the NFL. It's always gonna be hard.
Speaker 1: You have And look, I mean, everybody knows I'm the
Speaker 1: Dak apologist. That's fine. But that drop, the bizarre sequence
Speaker 1: where Amari was running across and the ball hit him
Speaker 1: on the thigh and he like looked surprised that the
Speaker 1: ball was there, very weird. And then we already brought
Speaker 1: up Schultz. But I mean two or two or three
Speaker 1: players that could have extended drives and helped that third
Speaker 1: down number that Dak just didn't didn't get as much
Speaker 1: help as he could have. That's for sure. You brought
Speaker 1: up that third down number. Dak was one of seven
Speaker 1: on third downs, not a great number, um and then
Speaker 1: obviously on the final drive of the game, he couldn't
Speaker 1: get his team down there to to score to win.
Speaker 1: Are you guys at all concerned that maybe this is
Speaker 1: what we were seeing last year? The Cowboys behind Dak
Speaker 1: just good enough to be in the game, not good
Speaker 1: enough to get the win. Yeah, it's concerning the clutch.
Speaker 1: The clutchness, that's a word, is not there um like
Speaker 1: it should be, and we just haven't seen it. We
Speaker 1: haven't seen them beat teams that are good teams, and
Speaker 1: we haven't seen him come back at all in the
Speaker 1: second half. So that's that's a that's or you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's a concerning trend. It's early. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is early in the season. They're a close game, a
Speaker 1: couple of plays here and there, but like Dave and
Speaker 1: Amber both said, it was like like we've seen last year,
Speaker 1: and that's that's what we're supposed to see. A bunch
Speaker 1: of big changes. We really didn't the final moment that
Speaker 1: I did want to talk about, Dave gs, I'm on
Speaker 1: that Wait can I can? I I'd have to rebut
Speaker 1: there because yeah, I mean, I'm and hey, they didn't
Speaker 1: get it done. They lost. I get it, and and
Speaker 1: there's a lot of blame to go around. Dack certainly
Speaker 1: wasn't perfect, but I saw clutch moments. I saw a
Speaker 1: hell of a gutsy, freaking run on a third and
Speaker 1: eleven to put the ball near the marker. I saw
Speaker 1: him hit Michael gallop and stride for forty seven yards
Speaker 1: on a throw that would have changed the game. We're
Speaker 1: getting there, we can argue about I know we're gonna
Speaker 1: get I mean, the throw was the throw was freaking money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was time. I consider that clutch I and I,
Speaker 1: like I said, you know, if if if, ifs and
Speaker 1: butts and all that fun stuff didn't win the game.
Speaker 1: But I thought Dak Prescott played a hell of a
Speaker 1: game and didn't get as much help as he could have.
Speaker 1: I mean, I saw the same things as last year
Speaker 1: in the sense that the offense was nowhere near as
Speaker 1: innovative as I think it could be with the amount
Speaker 1: of talent that they have, and the guys around Dak
Speaker 1: didn't help him as much as they could have. Amari
Speaker 1: Cooper two plays that could have been made to extend drives,
Speaker 1: Dalton Schultz miscues in the red zone killing touchdown chances.
Speaker 1: But I have a hard time putting most of it
Speaker 1: on Dak Prescott. That's for sure. You alluded to it.
Speaker 1: And I want to get to this final moment that
Speaker 1: I thought was pretty much the game. If you want
Speaker 1: to wrap up the game, it was the game. It
Speaker 1: was the moment that probably would have turned this game.
Speaker 1: Thirty one seconds left in the game. It was third
Speaker 1: and ten from the Dallas thirty four. Doesn't look great, obviously,
Speaker 1: that's pretty bleak. But Cowboys or Dak Prescott throws the
Speaker 1: ball deep to Michael Gallop forty seven yards would have
Speaker 1: been the completion down to the Dallas nineteen. Here goes
Speaker 1: fly offensive pass interference against Michael Galloped A big question.
Speaker 1: Do you agree with the call? Let's start with you Amber.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people are disagreeing heavily, but
Speaker 1: I honestly I'm okay with it. I think that when
Speaker 1: the guy, from my understanding, when the receiver fully extend
Speaker 1: that arm, that causes for the ref to bring attention
Speaker 1: to it, and usually it gets called that way. I
Speaker 1: think that it should not have depended on that specific play.
Speaker 1: I hate when games get to the point, and I
Speaker 1: know that's part of football. It all can come down
Speaker 1: to one single play. But at the same time, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys should not have been in that position to begin with.
Speaker 1: And many people want to start nominating this guy for
Speaker 1: an Oscar and all that, but hey, that's another part
Speaker 1: of the game, you say. I know it's not soccer,
Speaker 1: but Hey, if you gotta do what you gotta do
Speaker 1: to play it up and fake more if you want
Speaker 1: and cause a scene to get what you need you're
Speaker 1: trying to get as far as the game. But all
Speaker 1: in all, I just think the play the call. I
Speaker 1: don't disagree fully, but at the same time, I just
Speaker 1: don't think you should have depended all in that single play.
Speaker 1: Dave you agree with the call by the strict by
Speaker 1: the strict letter of the law, it was probably the
Speaker 1: right call because, in my personal opinion, the game moves
Speaker 1: so fast. NFL referees have touchstones that they look for.
Speaker 1: You can the dead thing in Green Bay is a
Speaker 1: perfect example. By the strict letter of the law, the
Speaker 1: ball moves when he hits the ground, he doesn't have
Speaker 1: control going to the ground. They call it an incompletion.
Speaker 1: By the strict letter of the law. It's probably right,
Speaker 1: but it's Bogan. So the NFL sees the arm fully extended,
Speaker 1: and that's what they look for. They say, oh, his
Speaker 1: elbow is all the way extended. That's a push off.
Speaker 1: That's a flag. But really, with thirty seconds to play,
Speaker 1: all pro corn back against eleven yard receiver, like nobody
Speaker 1: wants to see Lebron win the game at the free
Speaker 1: throw line. We want to see plays, we want to
Speaker 1: see fun stuff and the balls on the nineteen Cowboys
Speaker 1: have a time out. By no means is it a
Speaker 1: guarantee that they're gonna win or even tie the game
Speaker 1: from that distance. Like, there's still plenty to play for.
Speaker 1: So it's not like the penalty completely swings the game.
Speaker 1: You just gotta let football players play football in that instance.
Speaker 1: But by the strict letter of the law, I don't
Speaker 1: have a problem with it. I just think learned to
Speaker 1: know the situation referee. After the after that play, I
Speaker 1: got a bunch of text messages and I got I
Speaker 1: got all three of them. I got dog, horse, and chicken.
Speaker 1: Huh yeah, all of them. And I was not huh
Speaker 1: uh oh no, no, yeah, bull not dog, Sorry, okay,
Speaker 1: wow yeah bullick in horse Okay. And I you know,
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, since it was gallup, I
Speaker 1: think it was closer to horse. I think, I mean,
Speaker 1: I know, a terrible joke there, But I do think
Speaker 1: it was a very bad call. At the time I
Speaker 1: thought it was. I thought it was a bad call.
Speaker 1: I thought Jalen sold it well. But let me ask
Speaker 1: you this next week, that same situation and Julio Jones
Speaker 1: and Anthony Brown are running down the sideline, do you
Speaker 1: think that call is thrown that way? I just think
Speaker 1: it was a reputation, Like Michael Gallup cannot do this
Speaker 1: to Jalen Ramsey. I honestly, but I personally don't believe
Speaker 1: in football rests get into that. I think that's a
Speaker 1: basketball thing. I do think you gets you get calls
Speaker 1: based upon your reputation in the NBA. I don't think
Speaker 1: that happens in football as much. That's my personal opinion.
Speaker 1: I honestly think next, and here's where I thought you
Speaker 1: were going with that, is if next week that exact
Speaker 1: same situation plays out and Julio is there with Anthony
Speaker 1: Brown and his arm is fully extended, how many of
Speaker 1: the people that are saying that call should not have
Speaker 1: been made last night are gonna say, yeah, good job,
Speaker 1: ref his arm was extended. I think we all agree
Speaker 1: or should agree that, according as Dave says, according to
Speaker 1: the letter of law, it was appenally. Now, whether you
Speaker 1: want to call it in that situation, I can see
Speaker 1: that that may be one of those things where it's
Speaker 1: so it's so, it's so light of an infraction that
Speaker 1: you don't let the game hinge on that. And to me,
Speaker 1: the game hinged on that, And so maybe you don't
Speaker 1: make yourself a part of the game in that way
Speaker 1: if you're the referee making that call. But it's hard
Speaker 1: for me to say that it was a bad call.
Speaker 1: That was the right call. It just the question is
Speaker 1: whether he should have made it or not. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: I've seen worse, which he shouldn't have. Yeah, I just
Speaker 1: I've seen I've seen worse, and I just think it's
Speaker 1: a situation where, you know, defenders do a lot, you know,
Speaker 1: a lot worse to get the call, But on offense,
Speaker 1: it's like any kind of push or anything like that.
Speaker 1: I think they're calling that a lot more now, you know.
Speaker 1: Then it's kind of like the block charge in basketball.
Speaker 1: You know, it just seems like it's a lot easier
Speaker 1: now to get a charge than a block call because
Speaker 1: everyone's kind of looking for it now. So I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know this rule I asked you this before,
Speaker 1: or is PI not challengeable anymore? I know it would
Speaker 1: have to be a booth review, But did they get
Speaker 1: rid of that? I didn't see it at all yesterday.
Speaker 1: There's been a thousand rule changes. I don't know if
Speaker 1: that was one of them. Yeah. I didn't see any
Speaker 1: calls in the football I watched yesterday of an offensive,
Speaker 1: a challenge or whatever. But it would have been nice
Speaker 1: to look at it because then you would have seen
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey kind of it would have been Booth review anyway, right,
Speaker 1: booth review. But at least you see that he's acting.
Speaker 1: But I don't think in that instance. Again, I don't
Speaker 1: think they changed the call because although we think he
Speaker 1: was acting, the fact is he extended his arm and
Speaker 1: the player went back. Now it was acting, we all
Speaker 1: get it, but that's still gonna be. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's what you're gonna overturn now. I think I can
Speaker 1: make a decision whether you want to make the call.
Speaker 1: I don't think you overturn it based on that. When
Speaker 1: did Michael Gallery gets picked up on review? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree, But I just didn't realize gallup and hit
Speaker 1: the weight rooms like that. Geez all right, guys man,
Speaker 1: we appreciate you joining us today. It's been a it's
Speaker 1: been a rough first first week. We're gonna get together tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We'll be back on the air at eleven thirty, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna start moving forward. We're gonna get some big
Speaker 1: picture looks at this team. We're gonna re redo our
Speaker 1: our segment that we did last Friday of I know,
Speaker 1: I think and I have no idea. We're gonna talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about those things. We'll bring some of
Speaker 1: the ones we had from last week up and see
Speaker 1: if there's any clarity in some of those, but also
Speaker 1: we'll give you some new ones, some fresh ones give
Speaker 1: you a bigger perspective look at this team as we
Speaker 1: get ready for Cowboys versus Falcon. So then for Nick Even,
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