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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Wednesday edition of Play and Buck Kicksoff. Now we've got

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Speaker 2: a lot of news. Everybody appreciate you joining us.

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Speaker 3: Small Cross's great Land of Ours. We have.

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Speaker 2: Trump is the now presumed nominee. We've been presuming for

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Speaker 2: a while, but it's more official because of the delegate

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Speaker 2: count after some primary action yesterday. It's going to be

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Speaker 2: a Trump the Biden rematch, the first presidential rematch that

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Speaker 2: we are going to see since nineteen fifty six, so

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Speaker 2: it's going to be a bit of a throwback in

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Speaker 2: that sense.

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Speaker 4: We've got some word here about who RFK Junior is

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Speaker 4: thinking about as possible VP choices on his ticket, including

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Speaker 4: Jesse Ventura and Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 3: That's where things are right now. Clay, do you want

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Speaker 3: to weigh on this exactly? We're doing the most I think,

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Speaker 3: and we can we could have some fun with it.

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Speaker 4: I didn't obviously, I've got a lot of interest in

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Speaker 4: the Aaron Rodgers aspect. I didn't know Jesse Ventura was

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Speaker 4: still alive. I mean he won the governorship in Minnesota

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Speaker 4: what in like nineteen ninety four or something. I mean,

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Speaker 4: he's been not in the public eye for like thirty

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Speaker 4: years basically, So we'll talk about the the RFK. Really,

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Speaker 4: the third party factor, I think is one of the

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Speaker 4: biggest I'm starting to think that's the biggest single unknown

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Speaker 4: for the Trump v.

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Speaker 3: Biden situation.

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Speaker 2: We shall discuss a bunch of charges dropped against Donald

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Speaker 2: Trump with regard to the Georgia case, the Fannie Willis

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Speaker 2: case where six charges dropped from that rico indictment, three

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Speaker 2: pretending directly to Trump. We'll get into some of those details,

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Speaker 2: but that case still looking like it is on a

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Speaker 2: very unstable foundation at best and is unli likely. I

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Speaker 2: think Clay and I agree on this one. Unlikely to

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Speaker 2: trouble much Donald Trump from a legal sense, certainly before

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Speaker 2: the election.

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Speaker 3: And then TikTok running out of time. You see what

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Speaker 3: I did there.

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Speaker 4: And the members of Congress have voted in the House

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Speaker 4: to put this legislation, the Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary

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Speaker 4: Controlled Applications Act, the PA FACAA. I don't know if

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Speaker 4: they're going to use that acronym, but point is, if

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Speaker 4: it passes the Senate get signed, there will be some

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Speaker 4: big changes coming to one of the biggest social media

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Speaker 4: platforms in the world.

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Speaker 3: Some are saying it's an effective ban. Everyone's fighting over

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Speaker 3: the legislation.

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Speaker 2: There is a lot going on there, Clay, Do you

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Speaker 2: I think I laid out the menu.

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Speaker 3: I was thinking we.

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Speaker 2: Do Georgia first, unless you would really like to talk

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Speaker 2: third party in Trump first.

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Speaker 3: What do you mean? No, I mean I think we

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Speaker 3: can have fun with third party.

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Speaker 4: But I do think the Georgia situation where they are

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Speaker 4: dropping some charges, here's my concern. First of all, I

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Speaker 4: don't think this Georgia case. You said it, we agree.

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's ever going to materialize into some

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Speaker 4: sort of epic legal threat for Trump. And I actually

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Speaker 4: think if you analyze all of the cases, remember in theory,

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Speaker 4: because I do think this is kind of crazy. We're

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Speaker 4: twelve days from New York City the case starting, so

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Speaker 4: not next week but the week after. This case is

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Speaker 4: supposed to be underway in terms of jury selection and

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Speaker 4: all the procedural movements in New York City in the

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Speaker 4: Alvin Bragg case. But if you look at New York City,

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Speaker 4: if you look at South Florida, and if you look

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Speaker 4: at DC Atlanta, Fulton County was the only toss up state,

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Speaker 4: and I think this is blown up in Democrats' faces.

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Speaker 4: I think that Georgia is, of all the states that

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Speaker 4: that I would actually be very surprised if Georgia doesn't

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Speaker 4: vote for Trump in twenty twenty four. And I think

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Speaker 4: this case collapsing is a reason why. And my concern

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Speaker 4: though Buck in the short term is that this feels

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Speaker 4: a little bit like splitting the baby. You go in

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Speaker 4: are not valid enough. You have to refile him, you

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Speaker 4: have to reassess. And in the meantime, then on Friday,

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Speaker 4: says Fannie Willis didn't actually violate conflict rules, and I'm

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Speaker 4: gonna let her stay in command to this case. So

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Speaker 4: it feels like a balancing of the baby. And by

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Speaker 4: the way, I think that's the wrong judicial ruling. But

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Speaker 4: I think the way he would do it is by

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Speaker 4: analyzing conflict of interest. It's an interesting thing for lawyers.

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Speaker 4: Conflict of interest, Buck can be defined as a direct,

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Speaker 4: actual conflict, or it can be the appearance of impropriety.

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Speaker 4: There's no doubt. If it's an appearance of impropriety standard

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Speaker 4: she and Nathan Wade are done. But if they apply

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Speaker 4: the direct conflict, there is enough uncertainty that he might

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Speaker 4: My concern when I saw this opinion come down this

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Speaker 4: doesn't want to give two pro Trump rulings this close together.

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Speaker 2: It's surprising to me that Fani Willis is now still

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Speaker 2: supposed to stay on this case just because there's the

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Speaker 2: appearance of the judicial system having some gravitas, having some ethics,

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Speaker 2: and we are to believe in all this at the

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Speaker 2: end of the day, For most people, the courtroom drama

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Speaker 2: on all this, it's a show. It's meant to show

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Speaker 2: us that there is a power in this country that

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Speaker 2: adjudicates these issues, that there is a mechanism for looking

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Speaker 2: at different conflicts, whether civil or criminal, that functions as

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Speaker 3: We have to obey.

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Speaker 2: And if you apply that sensibility to what we've seen

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Speaker 2: with Fonnie Willis, it was preposterous. It was honestly amazing

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Speaker 2: television right when she was and she was lying a lot.

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Speaker 2: I think a prosecutor lying clearly lying or demanding that

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Speaker 2: people believe absurdity in order to not be lying, like

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Speaker 2: for her to not be lying, I think that undermines

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Speaker 2: public faith in the entire proceeding. And it's already a

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Speaker 2: highly politicized proceeding. So this judge would, I would think

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Speaker 2: in this instance, it's just pure cowardice.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't want to.

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Speaker 2: Remove a senior black female prosecutor from this role, and

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Speaker 2: he doesn't want to be seen as taking Trump's side

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Speaker 2: in this because unfortunately, the left's tactics of threatening people

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Speaker 2: at their homes and showing up and shouting at them

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Speaker 2: in restaurants this has the intended effect, which is people

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Speaker 2: don't want to throw their lives away in order to

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Speaker 2: specifically when it comes to try So I think that

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Speaker 2: this will You're right, Clay, in the sense that it's

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Speaker 2: a little bit of a balancing. Now, it's okay, we're

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Speaker 2: throwing out a few of these charges. They may bring

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Speaker 2: some of these charges back. The six counts. This is

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Speaker 2: from the decision. As written, these six counts contain the

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Speaker 2: essential elements of the crimes, but fail to allege sufficient

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Speaker 2: detail regarding the nature of the commission i e. The

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Speaker 2: underlying felony solicited. They do not give the defendants enough

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Speaker 2: information to prepare their defenses intelligently. End quote that is

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Speaker 2: from Judge McAfee, and he's effectively saying, you're saying there's

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Speaker 2: a conspiracy, but Clay a conspiracy to do what?

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Speaker 3: This is the problem.

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Speaker 4: This is where it falls apart the conspiracy that you're saying,

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Speaker 4: the racketeering, the influence you're you're asking for.

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Speaker 3: Here is what.

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Speaker 4: Exactly, Because if you're finding votes that are votes legally cast,

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Speaker 4: there's nothing wrong with that. So what is the specific

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Speaker 4: thing that was being done It's wrong. This is also

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Speaker 4: where I think Alvin Bragg's case has a problem. What's

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Speaker 4: the federal felony that is the part of the state

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Speaker 4: crime in the miss labeling of a business expense that

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Speaker 4: justifies it being charged as a felony, not a misdemeanor.

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Speaker 3: He hasn't even told anybody yet, And is it even

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Speaker 3: legal to do that?

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Speaker 4: Because we talked about when the first Alvin Bragg case

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Speaker 3: It's been a year ago. Now, there isn't really a.

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Speaker 4: Precedent of being able to elevate state charges based on

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Speaker 4: federal law violation. So I think the Alvin Bragg case

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Speaker 4: legally is not very sound. Leaving aside the decision to

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Speaker 4: even legal remains to be determined. But my biggest takeaway

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Speaker 4: into the Fannie Willis case in terms of the legal

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Speaker 4: state and how it's applied. In general, lawyers have a

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Speaker 4: duty not to mitigate conflict, right, that is ethical conflict.

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Speaker 4: So this is an ethics code analysis, and the question

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Speaker 4: is whether he's going to apply a strict standard, which

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Speaker 4: in which case there's no doubt She's gone and Nathan

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Speaker 3: The appearance of impropriety.

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Speaker 4: Her case has certainly been wounded by the appearance of

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Speaker 4: impropriety surrounding her behavior, in Nathan Wade's behavior and all

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Speaker 4: of these court cases and everything else. But could there

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Speaker 4: be a situation where they dodge the appearance of impropriety

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Speaker 4: and go to direct conflict. And he says Hey, I

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Speaker 4: can't tell one hundred percent when this relationship started, even

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Speaker 4: though the evidence would suggest that it started before she

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Speaker 4: hired him. And I'm going to err on the side

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Speaker 4: of being lenient here because he really is a white

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Speaker 4: let's be honest, a white judge and county. Does he

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Speaker 4: want his career to be boiled down to he took

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Speaker 4: Donald Trump's side, and he removed a black female prosecutor

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Speaker 4: from the DA's prosecution here the biggest case in Fulton

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 2: What's also something that is not not comfortable to think about,

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Speaker 2: or it doesn't make anyone feel good, but it's worth

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Speaker 3: Fani Willis acted in the way that she did.

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Speaker 2: Paying this guy, that she was having an affair with

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Speaker 2: trips with him that she clearly didn't reimburse him in

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Speaker 2: cash for and all. Yes, she did all this because

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Speaker 2: looks like she can. That is the America we live

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Speaker 2: in right now, everybody, Because a lot of people.

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Speaker 4: Remember when this was all coming out, there was oh,

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Speaker 4: you know, she's so reckless, how could she? How could

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Speaker 4: she be so foolish and all this stuff, and it's like, well, no, actually,

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Speaker 4: and she thinks she'll get away with this too, and

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Speaker 4: she might. Yeah, she was a little bit embarrassed by

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Speaker 4: some of this, but it's not stopping her from doing

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Speaker 4: what may be the crowning achievement of her legal career,

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Speaker 4: which is just bringing this nuisance case against Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3: So you know, who's really his.

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Speaker 4: Identity politics where it's toxic buck, I really do think

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Speaker 4: a white judge in Fulton County is afraid to remove

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Speaker 4: a black woman because of the boy will come on him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, of course.

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Speaker 2: Then when people will say, they'll write editorials in the

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Speaker 2: uh what is it, the Atlanta Journal Constitution, whatever the

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Speaker 2: main newspaper is there, They'll they'll write editorials about how,

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Speaker 2: you know, he's a man explaining racist Trump supporting white

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Speaker 2: supremacist judge. Even if the guy could have been a

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Speaker 2: walking around crying about climate change. They won't care. They

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Speaker 2: will destroy him. And that's the message that they said.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, this is also why it's so

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Speaker 4: Back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. All right, I

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Speaker 3: Reported The New York Times that Robert F.

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Speaker 4: Kennedy Junior is considering as his vice presidential choices new

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Speaker 4: York Jets quarterback Aaron Rodgers and former Minnesota governor Jesse

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Speaker 4: the Body Ventura and Buck. To be fair, when I

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Speaker 4: But I have not thought about Jesse the Body Ventura

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Speaker 4: But I put up a poll question last night after

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Speaker 3: We got a couple of hours left on the poll.

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Speaker 4: Over fifty thousand people have already voted, and I'm curious

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Speaker 4: what percentage so far have said that they would rather

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Speaker 4: have Aaron Rodgers as vice president, New York Jets quarterback

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Speaker 4: no political history in his life compared to Kamala Harris. Oh,

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Speaker 4: I mean fifty thousand people have voted of your of

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Speaker 4: ten very good guests. Ninety four to six people would

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Speaker 4: Harris over right, that's the question that I have saw.

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Speaker 4: Commerce will say they would prefer a Sesame Street characters.

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Speaker 3: I mean they would. Yeah.

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Speaker 4: The comments are almost as entertaining as the comments about

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Speaker 4: you could put a bucket versus Kamala, and I'm pretty

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Speaker 4: sure the bucket would have ninety percent of the poll vote.

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Speaker 4: These are very very funny. If you want to go

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Speaker 4: I just retweeted this, but again, over fifty four thousand

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Speaker 4: I'd have to go back because I feel like Jesse

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Speaker 2: So I guess I will do that. Aaron Rodgers, you

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Speaker 2: But where does he stand on everything else? Third Party

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Speaker 4: Isn't that big of a cushion, And it's very early,

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Speaker 3: I think it was taken about a week a week ago,

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Speaker 2: now let's just look at that side of the ledger

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Speaker 2: Now this isn't extrapolated over the swing states. This is

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Speaker 3: The pointer here though, is Clay.

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Speaker 4: This could be more than enough any one of those

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Speaker 2: I mean eighteen percent. That's like Ross Parrot back in

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Speaker 4: So then you get into the issue of ballot access,

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Speaker 2: Very few people pay much attention to this huge variation

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I watched yesterday Rfkjune. We should get Ali, We

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Speaker 2: Like, you agree, right, the bigger issue is whether he

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Speaker 4: That's what I was saying. He said on Neil Cavudo's

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Speaker 3: And I'm sitting there.

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Speaker 4: That's how I say it too to people. I'm like,

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Speaker 4: And Neil Cavudo raised an interesting question that has started

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Speaker 4: as you well know, it's is he on in the

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Speaker 4: swing states? Because if he's in California or New York

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Speaker 4: or you know.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't exist. Necessarily doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: So according to the RFK campaign, I look this up

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Speaker 2: this morning, they have enough signatures to be on the

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Speaker 2: presidential ballot in Hawaii, Nevada, New Hampshire, Utah. There is

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Speaker 2: a superpack that is an RFK junior superpack that says

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Speaker 2: they have enough Kennedy signatures for Arizona, Georgia, South Carolina,

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Speaker 2: and Michigan. Now we can just take that trunch. We

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Speaker 2: can take that listing of states. If he's on clay

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Speaker 2: and we.

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Speaker 4: Ever knows the names and go, oh gosh, you know

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Speaker 4: you hear Hawaii, You're like, yeah, whatever, who cares?

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Speaker 3: Not that?

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Speaker 4: Why is amazing? I'm just saying it's going to go Democrat.

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Speaker 4: But Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada. You don't need to do

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Speaker 4: a lot to cost one of the candidates or the

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Speaker 4: other that state if you're on the ballot, and so

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Speaker 4: you know, that's all it would really take. They think

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Speaker 4: that they'll need fifteen million dollars to be on the

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Speaker 4: ballot in all fifty states for a guy of rfk's

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Speaker 4: name recognition. In the current political environment, that's not that

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Speaker 4: much money. Whether the states that are really really hard

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Speaker 4: to get on which is so interesting, are actually states

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Speaker 4: that don't matter all that much. Generally California, Texas, Florida,

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Speaker 4: New York don't matter as a third They obviously are

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Speaker 4: the strongholds of the Democrat and Republican Party, respectively. But

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Speaker 4: you know, a third party candidate's not going to make

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Speaker 4: much of a dent. And Arizona is on that list.

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Speaker 4: Very hard to get on the ballot in Arizona. So

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Speaker 4: this is where as we move forward in the next

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Speaker 4: eight months, I think the conversation is going to have

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Speaker 4: to become I feel I'm in Tennessee. I feel like

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Speaker 4: I can vote third party whenever I want, and I

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Speaker 4: don't impact the outcome of any race on a national level.

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Speaker 4: That is, Trump is going to win Tennessee my state,

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Speaker 4: I'm going to vote for him. But if I were

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Speaker 4: inclined to vote third party, it wouldn't matter because it's

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Speaker 4: the difference between Trump winning.

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Speaker 3: By thirty or thirty three, right.

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's not changing the overall trajectory here. But

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Speaker 4: a lot of you out there are listening to us

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Speaker 4: in Georgia, in Wisconsin, in Michigan, in Pennsylvania, in Nevada,

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Speaker 4: in Arizona, North Carolina. I don't think you guys have

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Speaker 4: the luxury, in my opinion, of voting third party, because

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Speaker 4: your individual votes are so much more important as to

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Speaker 4: who becomes president of the United States that I would

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Speaker 4: argue you need to make a binary choice.

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Speaker 3: You're either Trump or Biden.

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Speaker 4: Third party in a toss up state eight is legitimately

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Speaker 4: throwing away your vote. And I know I'm gonna hear

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Speaker 4: from people out there who are libertarians or Green Party

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Speaker 4: people that are listening to us or whatever else, and

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Speaker 4: they're gonna.

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Speaker 3: Say, who dare you tell me that I'm throwing This

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Speaker 3: is my voice? That's your libertarian voice. That's fine, Well,

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Speaker 3: that's just my that's my winer voice.

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Speaker 4: Like, how dare you tell me that I'm That's what

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Speaker 4: they sound like, Hell, dare you tell me that.

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Speaker 3: You're throwing away the vote.

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Speaker 4: You're throwing and you're throwing away you vote because I'm

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Speaker 4: fired up about this. We've talked about it on the

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Speaker 4: show before. Everybody who voted libertarian handed Joe Biden the presidency.

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Speaker 4: Because what do you think, buck, eighty percent of people

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Speaker 4: if you if they didn't vote libertarian, eighty percent of

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Speaker 4: them would have voted Trump. You voted for the biggest

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Speaker 4: government expansion and the biggest government mandate in most of

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Speaker 4: our lives. As it pertains the COVID shot what Biden's

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Speaker 4: tried to do with student loans.

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Speaker 3: I rose overall of the government.

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Speaker 2: This isn't popular in some quarters, but the people the

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Speaker 2: voter for Jill Stein made Donald Trump president in twenty sixteen.

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Speaker 2: There's disputing analysis on this, or there's a dispute in

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Speaker 2: the analysis over it, but it's really close. Uh you

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Speaker 2: look at it at the you know, Jill Stein, Jill

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Speaker 2: Stein did not get many votes.

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Speaker 3: And she's back on.

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Speaker 4: She could have another huge impact. At twenty four. They

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Speaker 4: kicked her off at twenty they kept her off the ballots.

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Speaker 4: She's going to be back on again. What is the

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Speaker 4: point other than sheer narcissism of running if you're going

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Speaker 4: to get two or three percent as a third party

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Speaker 4: camp A great question. You know, really what you're not

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Speaker 4: at knowing, you're not at dancing the national conversation. You're

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Speaker 4: not changing the trajectory of politics.

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Speaker 3: In his country.

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Speaker 2: But you may hand victory to decide that you totally

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Speaker 2: despise one way or the other.

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Speaker 3: Why you know, when rf if RFK.

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Speaker 2: Runs and it turns out, well, he is running, but

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Speaker 2: if he manages to get enough of the vote that

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Speaker 2: he empowers Joe Biden, So you're going to make the

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Speaker 2: biggest COVID tyrant who is giving speeches about the Winter

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Speaker 2: of death.

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Speaker 3: You're going to give him four more years.

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Speaker 2: This is why I was always very honestly cynical about

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Speaker 2: the whole RFK Junior thing, the whole candidacy. People are

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Speaker 2: saying it's gonna be Trump's VP. It's not gonna be

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Speaker 2: Trump's VP. He may hand the presidency to Joe Biden.

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Speaker 3: Everybody.

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Speaker 4: That may happen. Now there is the other side of it.

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Speaker 4: He could hand the presidency to Trump by taking more

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Speaker 4: Biden voters. Don't I don't see that happening, though, I

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Speaker 4: don't know. I think it's well, first of all, we

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Speaker 4: have no idea, and I think it's it's more important.

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Speaker 4: I again, if you live in California, if you live

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Speaker 4: in my home state of Tennessee, if you live in

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Speaker 4: a place where you know one party is going to

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Speaker 4: win the state or not. Right, if you're listening to

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Speaker 4: us right now in Alabama, it really doesn't matter if

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Speaker 4: you vote third party because Trump's gonna win Alabama by

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Speaker 4: over thirty points. And if you're listening to us in Massachusetts,

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Speaker 4: it really doesn't matter if you if you vote third

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Speaker 4: party because Biden's gonna win Massachusetts by twenty five or

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Speaker 4: thirty points probably. But if you're in a swing state

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Speaker 4: and you vote third party, in my opinion, you are

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Speaker 4: not making an adult decision because part of life is

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Speaker 4: making difficult choices. And you may not like Joe Biden

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Speaker 4: and you may not like Donald Trump, but if you're

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Speaker 4: in a toss up state, in my opinion, you have

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Speaker 4: to sack up and make a binary choice. And if

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Speaker 4: you're a libertarian, I think eighty percent of them would

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Speaker 4: prefer Trump over Biden. Not to say Trump's perfect, Certainly

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Speaker 4: he grew the size of the federal government, and I

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Speaker 4: understand and get those emails all the time. But I

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Speaker 4: think you are behaving in a childlike fashion if you

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Speaker 4: are in a swing state and you vote third party,

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Speaker 4: because basically what you're saying is I care more about

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Speaker 4: not making a choice than I do about making a

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Speaker 4: choice for who the next president of the United States

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Speaker 4: would be. You're choosing not to engage in the most

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Speaker 4: important decision of the twenty twenty four election. And I

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Speaker 4: think that's cowardly, and I think it's childlike, And I

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Speaker 4: know right now I'm gonna get blown up. The Libertarians

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Speaker 4: are going to be so mad in the RFK Junior

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Speaker 4: people are going to be so mad. I say, vote

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Speaker 4: your conscience. If you live in a state, that's not

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Speaker 4: gonna be close. But if you're in Michigan, you're in Pennsylvania,

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Speaker 4: you're in Wisconsin, you're in Georgia, you're in Arizona, you're

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Speaker 4: in Nevada, you're in North Carolina, you're in even some

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Speaker 4: buck congressional districts Omaha, Nebraska, hugely important. That electoral vote

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Speaker 1: Twenty four Clay and Bucks weekly campaign episodes dropped Sundays

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Speaker 3: Welcome back in Clay Travis Buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 4: We'll take a couple of your calls and allow you

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Speaker 4: guys to react. But I did want to hit this Buck.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of discussion. State of the Union happened Thursday.

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Speaker 4: We certainly talked about it a lot on Friday. There

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Speaker 4: have been and I'm reading from Real Clear Politics Tom Bevin.

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Speaker 4: There there have been four new head to head national

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Speaker 4: polls published in the last forty eight hours between Trump

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Speaker 4: and Biden, and none of those have shown any movement

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Speaker 4: in Biden's direction. In fact, Trump has actually increased his

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Speaker 4: lead in the overall poll data to out to two

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Speaker 4: point four percent, and I'll hit you with those last four.

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Speaker 4: Economist and you Gov has Trump up to. Yahoo News

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Speaker 4: had Trump up to Forbes, Hair Trrisx had Trump up four,

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Speaker 4: and The Morning Consult had Trump up one. Rasmussen Reports,

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Speaker 4: which I think it's fair to stay Buck tends to

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Speaker 4: be a Republican leaning polling shop in general, Rasmussen has

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Speaker 4: Trump up.

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Speaker 3: Eight, which is the biggest lead any.

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Speaker 4: Of these polls that are out there that have a

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Speaker 4: lead one way or the other. Biden has no more

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Speaker 4: than a one or two point lead in any of

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Speaker 4: these polls. But if you put them all together, Trump

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Speaker 4: has extended his lead in the four that have occurred

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Speaker 4: since the State of the Union, which I think is

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Speaker 4: worthy of discussion. Is there going to actually be any movement?

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Speaker 4: A couple of calls here? You want to do calls

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Speaker 4: or emails?

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Speaker 3: No, go to calls. Let's do Don in Texas. What

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Speaker 3: you got for us? Don?

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Speaker 5: Hey? Yeah, I've got a question for Buck, and I

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Speaker 5: think this will bolster his point on libertarians. What's the

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Speaker 5: highest percentage gained by any libertarian vote in any presidential election?

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Speaker 2: Well, I think you mean Clay's point because now he's

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Speaker 2: managed to do it again. Clay was the one talking

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Speaker 2: about libertarian votes and votes being what was your term

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Speaker 2: thrown away?

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Speaker 4: At Clay, I think you're a coward if you're voting libertarian.

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Speaker 4: Libertarians got three point three percent of the vote in

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Speaker 4: twenty sixteen, four point five million overall votes, and that's

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Speaker 4: the most successful. Remember, I believe Ross Perot not a libertarian.

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Speaker 4: I don't even know. I don't think he ran under

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Speaker 4: the Reform Party was nineteen ninety six, but I believe

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Speaker 4: in ninety two it was just like the Ross Perot thing.

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Speaker 4: He got eighteen percent if I remember correctly buck of

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Speaker 4: the overall vote, which is the high water mark and

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Speaker 4: sort of the modern era I would say of politics

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Speaker 4: for a third party, Yeah, we have another call. You

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Speaker 4: want to go to emails here you are the maestro here,

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Speaker 4: which one do you like?

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Speaker 3: What's yours? Tom and Tampa?

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Speaker 6: Yes, guys, My point is very very simple. The only

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Speaker 6: way to combat what you guys are talking about with

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Speaker 6: the Steins and all these people third party is to

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Speaker 6: have what Jesse Kelly calls the new first time.

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Speaker 3: What he calls I don't mean pejority.

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Speaker 6: Of white trash Community College high school destruction worker voters,

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Speaker 6: and we need one hundred and fifty thousand per state

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Speaker 6: for fifty states, seven and a half million. Do you

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Speaker 6: take them from seventy five to eighty two million? And

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Speaker 6: my concern is I don't see this happening. That is

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Speaker 6: my concern for the whole third party thing.

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Speaker 3: Does that make sense? Yeah? Look, here's what I would say.

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Speaker 4: I might have been wrong on I said for months

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Speaker 4: that I thought Trump won a couple of different ways, right,

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Speaker 4: lower turnout, which we've got a stake bet on whether

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Speaker 4: more people vote in twenty four or twenty whether there

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Speaker 4: was going to be a third party that had a

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Speaker 4: substantial impact, or a health related issue. What the polling

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Speaker 4: actually reflects is that ten percent of Biden voters now

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Speaker 4: say they made the wrong choice ander willing to flip.

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Speaker 4: I don't necessarily buy that. If it happens, the race

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Speaker 4: won't be close because Trump's base is showing up. If

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Speaker 4: ten percent of Biden's base flips, it only took twenty

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Speaker 4: thousand people to flip in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: In the race would have been different.

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Speaker 4: I still feel like the third party situation.

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Speaker 3: Is what could mess everything up. But we'll continue to

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Speaker 3: look at that. We've got Congressman Corey Mills going to

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Speaker 3: be with us next.

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Speaker 4: He did a a rescue flight into Haiti.

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Speaker 2: Haiti is falling apart right now. Congressman Mills wants to

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Speaker 2: talk to us about that. Just about what six hundred

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Speaker 2: miles or so from where I am here in Florida.

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Speaker 2: We'll discuss with him. We've also got Tommy Chubberville, Senator

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Speaker 2: third hour, talking to him about Title nine. So stick around,

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Speaker 2: great guests and much more coming up here on Clay

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Speaker 2: and Buck