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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Greece.

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Speaker 2: A mother in law so consumed with rage, with anger

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Speaker 2: over her daughter's divorce and subsequently not having visitation with

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Speaker 3: She murders her own son in law over visitation. It's

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Speaker 3: really hard to imagine that.

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Speaker 2: You know, so often when we hear about a violent crime,

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Speaker 2: many people will make excuses. Oh, they were under stress,

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Speaker 2: they grew up in a bad family, they're uneducated, they're this,

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Speaker 2: they're that that, they were using drugs, they were using alcohol,

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Speaker 2: a million excuses.

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Speaker 3: Let me tell you about this mother in law.

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Speaker 2: Her family, highly educated, called a five star family by politicians, lawmakers, rabbis,

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Speaker 2: friends of the family's neighbors. No one within their circle

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Speaker 2: can accept this woman, the matriarch of a very wealthy,

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Speaker 2: very educated family, whatever, do such a thing. But guess what,

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Speaker 2: I agree with police, she did it. She had her

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Speaker 2: old son in law murdered because he refused to give

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Speaker 2: up his children. I can hardly believe it. You know, women,

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Speaker 2: grandparents in laws all over the world only wish their

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Speaker 2: son in law would pay attention to the children, be

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Speaker 2: a good father, show up, be their nurture.

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Speaker 3: He was doing that and now he's dead, shot in

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Speaker 3: the head because of the mother in law. Are you

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Speaker 3: kidding me?

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Speaker 2: Sadly, It's no joke, It's real. I couldn't make this up.

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Speaker 2: I Meancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Thank you for

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Speaker 2: being with us here at Crime Stories and on Serious

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Speaker 2: X one eleven. It's a lot to take in. Let

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Speaker 2: me just start with our friends at crime Online.

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Speaker 4: Donna Adelson, the mother of recently convicted murderer Charlie Adelson,

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Speaker 4: is caught by police trying to board a plane leaving

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Speaker 4: Miami and heading to Vietnam. Her husband, Harvey, is with

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Speaker 4: her as police take her into custody, the latest person

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Speaker 4: to be arrested in the murder for higher Plot killing

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Speaker 4: of Nan Markel. WFSU reports, Donna Adelson is now in

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Speaker 4: Tallahassee and will be held without bond in the Leon

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Speaker 4: County Jail. In charging documents and a warrant request, prosecutors

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Speaker 4: noted that on recorded jail phone calls, Adelson discussed killing

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Speaker 4: herself and leaving the country. Following Charlie Adelson's conviction, he

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Speaker 4: is facing a mandatory life sentence. Three other people have

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Speaker 4: also been convicted in Markel's murder. Donna and Harvey Adelson

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Speaker 4: had one way tickets purchased for Vietnam. Vietnam has no

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Speaker 4: extradition agreement with the United States.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let me understand this with me in All Star

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Speaker 2: Pound to make sense of what we know right now.

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Speaker 2: But first two, Joel Waldman joining us out of this

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Speaker 2: jurisdiction in Florida, host dom surviving the survivor Joel the

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Speaker 2: mother in law. First of all, who's Charlie Adelson. Charlie

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Speaker 2: Adelson is It's the brother in law. And he's not

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Speaker 2: just the brother in law. He's apparently a very well

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Speaker 2: respected periodontist.

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Speaker 3: This is the brother in.

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Speaker 2: Law of the dead husband, the dad, Dan Markel, the

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Speaker 2: law professor. So I want to first start with the

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Speaker 2: mother in law trying to flee the jurisdiction to Vietnam.

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Speaker 2: But this is just after her son is convicted in

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Speaker 2: the murder.

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Speaker 3: Let's just start.

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Speaker 2: Why is the mother in law at the airport with

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Speaker 2: her husband, Harvey, with a one way ticket to Vietnam.

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Speaker 2: Tell me how that whole thing went down.

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Speaker 5: Well, Nancy, in a word, she didn't want to be arrested,

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Speaker 5: and she knew that it was coming. And it's really

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Speaker 5: a remarkable story. It's one of the most fascinating true

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Speaker 5: crime stories that you'll probably ever hear.

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Speaker 3: Of hate Joel, Yes, just right there.

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Speaker 2: I'm a crime victim. My fiance was murdered Trot before

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Speaker 2: our wedding, and I know it seems fascinating, and I

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Speaker 2: agree with you. The dynamic here is fascinating and interesting.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of like looking at one of those beautiful

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Speaker 2: snakes under a glass case, you know, fun for some

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Speaker 2: people to look at them. To me, it's revolting. It's

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Speaker 2: revolting because I remember what it feels like to have

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Speaker 2: away forever. So when we say fascinating remarkable, I've been

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Speaker 2: to a lot of murder scenes. The blood gets sticky,

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Speaker 2: it's got hair in it, it smells, and almost within

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Speaker 3: I can't describe it. It's horrible.

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Speaker 2: So when we say remarkable and fascinating, yes, I agree

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Speaker 2: and I find it revolting. I find it horrible that

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Speaker 2: you know, Joel Waldman, because you know a lot.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, I could not agree with you more

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Speaker 5: Markelle family and everything we do on the podcast is

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Speaker 5: really to get justice ultimately for Dan Markell. What a

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Speaker 5: lot of people don't know is that this happened over

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Speaker 5: nine years ago, so they've been waiting for justice all

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Speaker 5: these years. The two convicted hitmen are in prison, as

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Speaker 6: The middle woman.

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Speaker 7: But just to get back to your original question about.

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Speaker 5: Donna Adelson, it was on a Monday that Charlie Aedelson,

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Speaker 5: the ex brother in law, was convicted, and then exactly

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Speaker 5: then is almost immediately after Charlie's conviction, Donna and her

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Speaker 5: son Charlie were on the phone for thirty five hours

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Speaker 2: Good Lord in Heaven, thirty five hours in one week, guys,

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Speaker 2: you're hearing Joel Waldman. He is a host of an

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Speaker 2: incredible podcast, Surviving the Survivor. Joel, don't lose any of

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Speaker 2: those thoughts, because I've got to tell you, just talking

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Speaker 2: who I love so deeply.

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Speaker 3: He's a saint.

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Speaker 2: The thought that someone would take him away from me

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Speaker 3: Much, it's very upsetting.

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Speaker 2: Dave Arenberg is joining us Palm Beach County state attorney

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Speaker 3: Also with me Tamara Demco.

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Speaker 2: I've got that she is a doctor at a jd

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Speaker 3: She went to Harvard Law School.

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Speaker 2: But aside from all of her education in her achievements,

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Speaker 3: And again this case is.

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Speaker 2: Like my head is spinning around with all the ins

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Speaker 2: and outs of this case. But to break it down,

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Speaker 2: this law professor Dan Markel, young, attractive, devoted father. He

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Speaker 2: Wendy Adel's son Okay as her mother that just got

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Speaker 2: nabbed on a one way taken to Vietnam, dragging along

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Speaker 2: the father. What did he know, Harvey? Is he just

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Speaker 3: Did he know anything? Long story short?

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Speaker 2: David Ehrenberg, before I go to tamaraw Dave, I heard

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Speaker 2: Wendy's brother, the brother in law now convicted and murder

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Speaker 2: and you referred to him as the Maestro. And you

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Speaker 8: Yes, Nancy is good to be with you.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: He is someone who's very self assured.

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Speaker 3: That's one way to put it right.

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Speaker 8: It was a book by Bob Woodward years ago about

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Speaker 8: the Maestro I think it was Alan Greenspan and how

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Speaker 8: he controlled the world's economy. This is how he sees

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Speaker 8: himself in that same vein that he controls things. So

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Speaker 8: you know, that's pretty interesting piece of evidence to show

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Speaker 2: Is he just as smarter than everybody in the room.

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Speaker 2: What they can't read? That sign in the jail says

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Speaker 3: Hello exactly?

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Speaker 8: You know he was so cocksure himself throughout the trial,

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Speaker 8: the fact that he took the stand and spun this

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Speaker 2: And he just put his head down, like, I can't

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Speaker 1: Time stories with Nancy, Grace with me.

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Speaker 2: Tamara Demco, a very dear friend of Dan Markale's, was

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Speaker 2: living in Tallahassee when Dan was murdered. Tamara, I hardly

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Speaker 3: What happened to be with you?

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Speaker 9: Nancy? I did not find out about Danny being shot

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Speaker 2: Tamara, I think you'll agree with me. Women all over

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Speaker 2: the world only wish their husband would take the children

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Speaker 2: But be involved, play with the children, do something with

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Speaker 3: Nail for his children. What if anything, do you know

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Speaker 3: about his battle with his wife?

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Speaker 2: And his in laws over the children.

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Speaker 9: I think you're absolutely right, Nancy. Danny was just so

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Speaker 9: He was a loyal friend, someone who would go out

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Speaker 9: and he was just a blessing to everyone he met.

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Speaker 9: But the boys were his life, and he would even

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Speaker 2: Well that's one way to put it, Tamara. I mean,

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Speaker 2: because did I have those facts right? He goes, he's

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Speaker 2: a professor. It is FSU correct. Danny Markel was a

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Speaker 9: Florida State University, correct.

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Speaker 2: And then when that didn't work, she wanted Wendy to

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Speaker 3: Didn't that happen, Joel Waldman.

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Speaker 5: Nancy, this just shows you how demented the matriarch, Donna

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Speaker 2: Yeah, woa, whoa Joe, Wait, isn't this was this the

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Speaker 2: You know how hard it is to get your wedding.

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Speaker 2: I did not try, Jack, You don't look at me

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Speaker 5: This is the Adelson family. They pulled the kosher food,

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Speaker 2: And I bet Markel threw a fit like nobody's business.

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Speaker 2: Nancy Yes, Karen Stark's psychologist at Karenstark dot com.

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Speaker 3: Karen with a c oh, Karen, go go go the.

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Speaker 10: They have given them a wonderful education, but there are

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Speaker 10: You have guests who can.

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Speaker 10: Know nance, but you know what, the thing that really

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Speaker 2: Yes, I agree, back to the children, thank you. Let's

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Speaker 2: isn't it also true that there's a third sibling. You've

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Speaker 3: Is that right, Joel Waltman?

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Speaker 5: That is one hundred percent correct. There is just such

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Speaker 5: at one point threatened to have her own Jewish grandchildren

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Speaker 5: too Jewish. Den Markell was too Jewish, but Rob Adelson

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Speaker 2: Dave Ehrenberg, I'm having a hard time believing what I'm hearing.

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Speaker 8: Joel is one hundred percent correct. They are not going

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Speaker 2: You mean you believe prosecutors are going to go after

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Speaker 2: why are we going to Vietnam? I mean, or why

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Speaker 3: We're not coming home?

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Speaker 9: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: And you know what that is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's that and several of the phone calls that

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Speaker 3: Of course, the fans got in on this. Guys.

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Speaker 2: We cannot sign off without talking about the bump, Okay,

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Speaker 3: But you know what, let's bring it home. Let's bring

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Speaker 2: Let's take a listen to our cut to the nine

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Speaker 3: Listen to this, Okay, what's going on?

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Speaker 5: With him.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. The driver's side window is all bashed

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Speaker 3: To Tamara Demco, she is a doctor, she is a jd.

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Speaker 3: I know that.

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Speaker 2: But a dad so involved, so full of life, it's

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Speaker 9: Very hard for me to wrap my mind around that too.

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Speaker 9: It was really something that I did not want to

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Speaker 2: Tamara, of course you were not on Charlie Adelson's The Maestro,

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Speaker 9: I think that there was a very concerted effort and

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Speaker 9: This kind of self serving, premeditated and heinous act should

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Speaker 2: Tamara Demko joining us. Did you know Donna Adelson, the

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Speaker 9: I had been to their home in Coral Springs. I

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Speaker 9: had also been to Wendy's home on Aqua Ridge. And yes,

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Speaker 9: I've met Donna several times. I've had drinks with her,

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Speaker 2: Can you just tell me what she is like, what

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Speaker 3: There are people even when confronted with.

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Speaker 2: The evidence, and it's pretty strong evidence, including fifty six

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Speaker 2: Who hired her, who arranged for her common law husband

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Speaker 2: in if I've got this wrong. There are a lot

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Speaker 2: of meticulous facts in this case. But Charlie Adelson had

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Speaker 8: That is correct. It's like a fingerprint, you know. That

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Speaker 9: How do you explain it?

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Speaker 3: Well then how come he's still alive?

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Speaker 8: Well, and that's and also it's not how extortion works

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Speaker 2: He hated Dan Markel, correct, Charlie Aielsen hated Dan Markel.

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Speaker 2: So that's theory is completely fast Awkwards exactly.

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Speaker 8: It made no sense and the jurors didn't buy it either.

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Speaker 3: Tamorrow dimco back to you, I was asking.

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Speaker 9: Donna seemed like an involved and loving mom. She was

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Speaker 9: very proud of her children, very much involved with the

440
00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:32,960
Speaker 9: grandchildren as well. I think from the surface level, they

441
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 9: seemed like a normal family. If you were to go

442
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:37,919
Speaker 9: to their home in Coral Springs, there are pictures up

443
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 9: on the wall of the kids. She spent a lot

444
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:47,120
Speaker 9: of time supporting Wendy. There was nothing abnormal on the surface.

445
00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 9: I would say that Harvey. Harvey always came across as

446
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 9: a little bit more quiet, but certainly friendly. And Charlie

447
00:26:54,680 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 9: was very lively. He was always on the go and

448
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 9: enjoyed partying quite a bit.

449
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 2: Dave Ehrmberg joining US, Palm Beach County State attorney and

450
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 2: friend of Danny Markel.

451
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 3: He has been really Charlie.

452
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:15,879
Speaker 2: Charlie Adelson has been referred to as thinking he was

453
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 2: James Bond, but in fact he's a periodontist.

454
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:22,160
Speaker 3: What does that mean.

455
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 8: Well, I'm from South Florida, and Joel and Tamrek would

456
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 8: say that's not that uncommon. He loved the fast life

457
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 8: with his ferrari and his fast women and his clubbing

458
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 8: lifestyle and drugs, and he was well known that he

459
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,959
Speaker 8: was involved with steroids. And here was a guy who

460
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 8: was a nerd back in high school who then became

461
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:50,080
Speaker 8: this wealthy, flashy, fast living guy who thought that he

462
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 8: could get away with murder. And that's the kind of

463
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 8: person who would commit this kind of crime because people say,

464
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,439
Speaker 8: why do you think you could get away with it? Well,

465
00:27:59,560 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 8: when you're hopped up on steroids and you think that

466
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 8: you're smarter than everyone else. Yeah, you think you're above

467
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 8: the law, and you wouldn't get caught. And it took

468
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 8: nine plus years for there to be justice for Charlie

469
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 8: and the FBI.

470
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 2: God bless the FBI, God bless them. Look, I was

471
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 2: a fed for three years. I hate the federal government

472
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 2: except the irs.

473
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 3: I love you. Please don't look.

474
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 2: At me, Joel Waldman, Could you please explain what I'm

475
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:35,119
Speaker 2: talking about? As the bump, Charlie Adelson would never have

476
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: been convicted are murdering his brother in law over visitation

477
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,640
Speaker 2: with Grandma, and Donna Adelson would not be in a

478
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 2: jail sale up in her seventies trying to flee to

479
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 2: Vietnam right now if it hadn't been for wire taps

480
00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:58,800
Speaker 2: and surruptitious recordings, one of the most amazing ones that

481
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,760
Speaker 2: actually worked, Joel Waldman, And I'm going to hear from

482
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: Robert Crispin and doctor Gorniac, renowned forensic pathologist. I want

483
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: to circle back to Dodtor Gorniac on what Danny Markel

484
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 2: experienced because when the neighbor came up, he was still

485
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: rolling his head around and moving, which in my mind

486
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:24,920
Speaker 2: means he was suffering after he was shot Joel Waldman.

487
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:29,920
Speaker 2: As it's called the bump. If Adelson's had kept their

488
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 2: traps shut, they wouldn't be in jail right now. Tell

489
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 2: me about the bump as it is called.

490
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 5: So the bump is now an infamous FBI sting. So

491
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 5: the FEDS got involved once this case started to move

492
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:49,239
Speaker 5: and they thought that the Adelsons were possibly involved. So

493
00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:51,719
Speaker 5: it's interesting you bring it up. I just did a

494
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,959
Speaker 5: tour for my podcast to the location where the bump happened,

495
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 5: and it happened to take place right in front of

496
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 5: where the Adelsons were living and Iconic.

497
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 2: The Iconic, the icon Yeah, the icon yes, yes, and

498
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 2: it's a.

499
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 5: Very lavish building. I think units start around two million dollars.

500
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 2: So whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa the icon condo building.

501
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 3: The unit started two million dollars.

502
00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 5: That is correct, Nancy, Welcome to Miami. Yes, and it's

503
00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,000
Speaker 5: interesting this tour I did. I was curious to see

504
00:30:22,040 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 5: these different spots. So I also went by Charlie Adelson's house.

505
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, did you video that I did?

506
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 5: It's on my website on the YouTube channel.

507
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 3: Oh, so we can see. I can't wait to say this, Okay,

508
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 3: go ahead.

509
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, So Charlie's house is nothing like what you would expect.

510
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 5: It's sort of a rundown home right off the highway.

511
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 5: And keep in mind, this is a guy who in

512
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 5: court admitted that he was making three and a half

513
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 5: million dollars a year between twenty fourteen and twenty eighteen.

514
00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 5: So that goes back to the James Bond question because

515
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 5: that is not really the salary of the periodontis. But

516
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 5: we do know through these wiretaps that he was illicitly

517
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 5: dealing steroids as well. Back to the bump. So this

518
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 5: bump happened right in front of this Icon building in

519
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 5: South Beach. It's a beautiful area. You can literally this

520
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 5: is what's so sad. You can literally take a stone

521
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 5: from where the bump happened and throw it, and it

522
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 5: hit the school that the two Markell children attended, and

523
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 5: Donna was on her way to pick up her grandchildren.

524
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: You may after they killed Danny Markel and move the

525
00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 2: children down to South Florida, right that's where they're going

526
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 2: to school.

527
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 5: And change their name from Markel to Adelson. So these

528
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 5: two young boys have are gonna have a lot, a

529
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 5: lot and Nancy, I know, you know this firsthand, a

530
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 5: lot of grieving to deal with and a lot of

531
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 5: you know, understanding about what happened to their family as

532
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 5: they become these young teens that they are now.

533
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 2: Not only changed their last name from Markel back to Adelson,

534
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 2: the maiden name of the mom, but took away the

535
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 2: oldest son's middle name.

536
00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 3: Which had been the Hebrew name of Dan.

537
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 2: Markelle Grandma, right, So all trace of Dan Markel has

538
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: been removed from their life.

539
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:09,200
Speaker 5: It's it's difficult to process, it really is. So this,

540
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,640
Speaker 5: you know, this bump happened literally across the street from

541
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 5: the school that they were attending at the time, and

542
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 5: ultimately when they got the uh you know that video

543
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 5: and audio, there's no doubt that that is, you know,

544
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 5: a big piece of evidence that influenced jurors. And then

545
00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,800
Speaker 5: there's one other piece of audio from a restaurant, the

546
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 5: so called Dulce Vita tapes that have the middle woman

547
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 5: Katie mcbanawa and Charlie Edelson talking. So it's a combination

548
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 5: of this evidence that people believe do this case wid.

549
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: Don time stories with Nancy Grace.

550
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 2: Let's start with the bump. The bump is a fan

551
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 2: pretending to be.

552
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 3: A bad guy.

553
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 2: Literally just comes up and kind of bumps into the

554
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 2: mother in law, Donna Adelson, outside of her two million

555
00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 2: dollar condo, and he has like a press release about

556
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 2: the killing and says, he you tell me he wants

557
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:17,240
Speaker 2: five thousand.

558
00:33:16,840 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 11: Dollars, Yeah, he wanted five thousand dollars, basically scribbled a

559
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 11: number down, said that he was a brother of the

560
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 11: person in prison, implying that he's one of the hit men,

561
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 11: Luis Rivera. And as soon as this bump happens, Donna

562
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 11: Adelson immediately is on the phone with Charlie Aedelson and

563
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 11: they are once again as they had been doing many

564
00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,760
Speaker 11: times before, speaking in code.

565
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 3: Right like pot belly pig. We can't figure out they're

566
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 3: talking about the cops.

567
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's disturbing, it's but it's also intriguing, but very

568
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 5: very disturbing.

569
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 2: You know what if I tried even tried Robert Crispin.

570
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: Robert Crispin joining me a private investigator, former federal Task

571
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 2: Force officer for the US Department of Justice, now Crispininvestigations

572
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 2: dot com.

573
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 3: Robert Crispin, can.

574
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 2: You even imagine me trying to talk to my husband

575
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 2: in code. I mean when he drives to the McDonald's, they're like,

576
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 2: what did you say?

577
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:19,080
Speaker 3: Much less? You know, so trying to who talks in code?

578
00:34:19,600 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 2: And not only this, Joel and Dave jump in if

579
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 2: I'm wrong, But she says something like I just got

580
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 2: handed some paperwork.

581
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,240
Speaker 3: We need to meet right now.

582
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,479
Speaker 2: And the brother in lawos iste about me and you,

583
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 2: and she goes whispers probably he goes what probably both

584
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 2: of us, and she like yells it and instead of

585
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 2: she goes, we can't talk on the phone.

586
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 3: Well, right there, that's a red flag.

587
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 2: So they meet at the condo and they go outside.

588
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 2: They won't speak inside their condo, and they go huddle

589
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 2: off in a corner beside the pool to have this conversation,

590
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 2: and the whole time the fans are watching them and

591
00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 2: recording everything that's being said.

592
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 3: That's not normal.

593
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:03,520
Speaker 2: If a guy comes up to me on the street

594
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,439
Speaker 2: and went, hey, I want five thousand dollars, I called

595
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 2: the police.

596
00:35:06,200 --> 00:35:10,439
Speaker 7: You know, Nancy. The bump operation is usually used when

597
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 7: things start to get a little cold, or we need

598
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 7: to start tickling, as we call tickling the case, to

599
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 7: get some more leads and to get some more people involved,

600
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 7: to start getting some more information or problem calls to start,

601
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 7: you know, taking people out in this This worked extremely well.

602
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 7: This did exactly what it was supposed to do. It

603
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 7: got them talking, and it took it to the part

604
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 7: where they were able to get an indictment and an

605
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 7: arrest on these guys, you know, along with all the

606
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 7: other stuff that has been going on since the homicide.

607
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:46,239
Speaker 7: With how this all started with a grainy image of

608
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 7: a Prius and it just spiraled from there all the

609
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 7: way to where the FBI took it to the bump.

610
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 7: And I think with everything from the time they had

611
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 7: the grainy image to getting the second image from a

612
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,439
Speaker 7: bus stop that gave them a transponder, to having high

613
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 7: speed detectives understand that that transponder is out of a

614
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 7: rental car. They got the transponder report data from the turnpikes,

615
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:16,800
Speaker 7: They tied a particular car back to Miami. They pulled

616
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 7: the rental agreement lo and behold on the rental agreement

617
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 7: was a phone number that tied it back to one

618
00:36:22,960 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 7: of the guys involved in the killing. They pulled the

619
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 7: GPS data, they pulled the cell phone data. It gave

620
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,799
Speaker 7: a bread trail from Miami up to Tallahassee, and on

621
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 7: the day of the murder, stalking around the victim's house,

622
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 7: it all started to come together, but it started to

623
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 7: get a little bit cold, and I think that's when

624
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 7: the bump took off.

625
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, they knew who did it, but they

626
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 2: didn't have the evidence. And so they wire up an

627
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 2: undercover cop a fed He goes and bumps into the

628
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 2: mother in law demands money on behalf of a hitman,

629
00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 2: and instead of calling cops, she immediately meets with the

630
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 2: brother in law her son to discuss, Hey, am I

631
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 2: in trouble. I'm gonna put what Crispin just said in

632
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 2: non cop talk. So they get a grainy image, probably

633
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 2: off of a doorbell cam, a ring cam, a suncam

634
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: of a Silver Prius at the murder scene at Danny Markel's.

635
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 3: Then they get a transponder.

636
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 2: They get information about that Prius, like there's tin in windows,

637
00:37:27,719 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 2: there's a missing or side mirror on the passenger side,

638
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 2: they get all the.

639
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 3: Part of a screwed up trailer hitch on the back.

640
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 2: The transponder is from that Florida is what's it called

641
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 2: Sunshine Pass or Florida Pass where you can go through

642
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: all the tolls. That's a transponder SunPass, Yes, that's it.

643
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,640
Speaker 2: That's it. Robert Crispin, who's joining me from Florida. And

644
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:56,280
Speaker 2: so they trace that SunPass back to a little car

645
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 2: and the hit man and his cohort's name. They traced

646
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:03,719
Speaker 2: them to the girl, Charlie Adolson's girlfriend who works in

647
00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 2: the dentist practice.

648
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 3: The rest is history.

649
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 2: And you know another thing, is this true, Dave Ehrenberg,

650
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,840
Speaker 2: that Donna Adelson, the mother in law, gets on the phone, Hello,

651
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,240
Speaker 2: You're being recorded and says that she's putting her affairs

652
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 2: in order for the grandchildren that she's fought so hard

653
00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 2: to have near her, and she's either going to commit

654
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 2: suicide or leave the country to a non extraditable country

655
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:29,280
Speaker 2: like Vietnam.

656
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 3: She actually says that, and it's on tape.

657
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 8: Yeah, she went to and spoke with Charlie while Charlie

658
00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 8: was incarcerated after he was found guilty. She was on

659
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,880
Speaker 8: the phone with him telling him that she had her

660
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 8: affairs in order, just like you said. And that's how

661
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 8: law enforcement knew that she was about to bolt, and

662
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,640
Speaker 8: they stopped her when she was on the jetway and

663
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 8: walking onto the plane literally and stopped her in Harvesd.

664
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 8: She almost got away with it because once she goes

665
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 8: to Vietnam, it's very hard to get her back. The

666
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 8: bump worked spectacularly well, as you said, Nancy. One thing

667
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,879
Speaker 8: that was interesting to me was how Charlie reacted when

668
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 8: he saw that someone was trying to extort his mom

669
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:16,120
Speaker 8: out of five thousand dollars. So Charlie wanted to kill

670
00:39:16,200 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 8: the person who tried to do how dare you try

671
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 8: to extort us for five thousand dollars, which made it

672
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 8: so much more preposterous when at his own trial he

673
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 8: said that when he was extorted by Katie Magbanua and

674
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,760
Speaker 8: the killers, he willingly and quickly gave over the money

675
00:39:33,040 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 8: pretty much, no questions asked, and after he couldn't afford

676
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 8: the full payment of three hundred plus thousand dollars, he

677
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 8: entered into a payment plan with these gang bangers.

678
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:43,840
Speaker 3: Idiot.

679
00:39:44,080 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, he's an idiot.

680
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 2: I'm saved doctor Gane Gorniac to the end. She is incredible, brilliant,

681
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 2: Board certified forensic pathologist, former medical examiner, Clark County, A

682
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 2: Las Vegas. As you know, I love to say, doctor

683
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 2: Gorniac never like a business in Las Vegas, Doctor Garniac,

684
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about Danny Markel, who

685
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,879
Speaker 2: I believe was shot in the head.

686
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 3: And if I've got that wrong, anybody jump in and

687
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:15,920
Speaker 3: correct me.

688
00:40:17,840 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 2: But the fact about when the neighbor came up, Dr Gorniac,

689
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 2: he was still moving.

690
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,920
Speaker 3: Around, still alive.

691
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 2: And it makes me feel nauseous thinking of him sitting there.

692
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:38,839
Speaker 2: He's just dropped his children off, he comes home, he's

693
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 2: making probably business calls. The person on the other end,

694
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 2: here's a loud sound. He's still alive, Dr Gorniac. Is

695
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 2: he thinking about his children? Is he thinking what the

696
00:40:50,680 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 2: hell just happened? Just is his head hurting? Is is

697
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 2: he a shock? He can't feel anything? What happened?

698
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 6: Doctor Gordeon, correct, he was shot in the head. From

699
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 6: what I've read, he had two gunshot wounds of his head,

700
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 6: one in the forehead and one in the left cheek,

701
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 6: so it is consistent with him being in the past

702
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,719
Speaker 6: or the driver's seat of the car. He also had

703
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:23,240
Speaker 6: gunshot wounds or injuries from gunshots on his left forearm,

704
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:27,640
Speaker 6: so he either could have seen one shot coming, you

705
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 6: know what I mean, or his arm was just up

706
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:30,879
Speaker 6: on that left hand side.

707
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 5: Of the car.

708
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 6: So injuries to the brain, there's only one thing that

709
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:39,840
Speaker 6: kills you instantaneously, and that's what we call injury to

710
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 6: the brain stem. And that's where your respiratory centers sit,

711
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:45,680
Speaker 6: where your cardiac center sits. So if you have an

712
00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 6: injury to your brain stem, that would call cause instantaneous depth.

713
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 6: In this case, it's apparent because he was still moving

714
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 6: that his brain stem was not injured. So in a

715
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:02,720
Speaker 6: case like this, he had brain injury, so his brain

716
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 6: isn't working properly, but he's not dead. He obviously when

717
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 6: the gentleman who found him, he said, obviously he's breathing

718
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 6: because he's moving his head, but he's not speaking because

719
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,840
Speaker 6: of the injury of the brain itself. I can only

720
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 6: imagine what's going through mister Markel's you know, you know

721
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:28,480
Speaker 6: mind at that point. Obviously it was he was obviously

722
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 6: caught off guard, has probably no idea what's going on.

723
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 6: But I can only imagine that when he does realize

724
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 6: that he's injured, that he thinks of his family. It's

725
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 6: it's just it's sad to think about that. But also

726
00:42:45,640 --> 00:42:47,799
Speaker 6: he has to fight for his life. I mean, because

727
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:49,600
Speaker 6: he was fighting for his children when he was alive,

728
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 6: you know, I mean, all he wanted to do was

729
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 6: care for his children, and now this is happening. So

730
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 6: I bet his children were, you know, literally on his

731
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 6: mind in that moment. And unfortunately we know he didn't

732
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 6: die right away. He survived hours in the hospital. So

733
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 6: its just them trying to keep them alive, trying to

734
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,280
Speaker 6: save his life. He thought he fought until he couldn't

735
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:16,960
Speaker 6: fight anymore.

736
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:19,880
Speaker 2: I want to go to Dave Ehrenberg and Joel Walman

737
00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 2: on a question that Jackie here has just sent me.

738
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 2: It's my understanding that at trial, Wendy Aedelsen said the

739
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 2: reason she changed her children's names was out of fear

740
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:37,520
Speaker 2: because Nancy Grace put their pictures on TV without blurring

741
00:43:38,120 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: their faces. Now, I've also been told that I did

742
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 2: a hit on ABC and was speaking about the case,

743
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 2: and that while I was talking, the children's pictures came up.

744
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 2: I don't know if that's what happened or not. But

745
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 2: when exactly, Dave aaron Berg or Joel Walman did she

746
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:04,320
Speaker 2: change their names?

747
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,560
Speaker 8: I think it happened pretty quickly. She immediately moved the

748
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 8: kids down to South Florida, as she and her family

749
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 8: had long wanted, and then as soon as she could

750
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 8: remove the name of Dan Martell, wiping out his history

751
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 8: as their father, Joel, that's my understanding.

752
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 7: Would that be correct?

753
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, that is as I understand it. I wasn't in

754
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 5: the courtroom for that testimony, Nancy, but I can assure

755
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 5: you she did try to throw you under the bus,

756
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 5: and I can tell you that is not unequivocally not

757
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 5: why they changed the family name, but that is what

758
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 5: she appeared to hang on to, at least during her testimony.

759
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 5: It's been proven though, that while she's on the witness stand,

760
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 5: she has perjured herself multiple times, and some people have

761
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 5: even wondered that's going to lead to some sort of

762
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 5: perjury charge down the road.

763
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:59,120
Speaker 3: Now, wasn't she given limited use immunity, Dave.

764
00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 5: I'm going to let you take that one. She was.

765
00:45:01,600 --> 00:45:02,279
Speaker 5: You can speak to that.

766
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 8: She was, yes, and so that limit is what they

767
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 8: could use. But look, if they established evidence independent of

768
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 8: her testimony against her, then it's a game on. And

769
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 8: they have some evidence against her. It's not as compelling

770
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 8: as the evidence against Donna or Charlie or the others,

771
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 8: but it's circumstantial. But there are a few things like,

772
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,239
Speaker 8: why was she in the area right after her ex

773
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:28,759
Speaker 8: husband was shot? Why does she lie or seem to

774
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:30,919
Speaker 8: not tell the truth on the sand when she said

775
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 8: that she didn't see the cop and she turned around

776
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 8: and she took this Trescott row which was a shortcut,

777
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 8: when none of that really made sense because she seemed

778
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,759
Speaker 8: to have driven out of her way to go buy

779
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 8: some liquor, which the liquor store is close to her home,

780
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 8: as a gift, and then to be in her Danny's

781
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:54,040
Speaker 8: neighborhood on the same block right when it happened. Looked

782
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 8: like what happens when you are someone who commits a

783
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 8: crime and you want to see the fruits of your labor.

784
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,720
Speaker 8: And then there are other things like talking in code

785
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,360
Speaker 8: about the TV. So it looks like she had a

786
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 8: lot of information about this, But whether they could prove

787
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:09,520
Speaker 8: it beyond a reasonable doubt. I think they're waiting to

788
00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 8: see what the calls that Donna made. Maybe they are incriminating.

789
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,959
Speaker 8: Maybe getting Donna's cell phone can help point the finger

790
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 8: at Wendy, because right now I believe the prosterers don't

791
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 8: believe they have enough evidence to charge her.

792
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 2: Is it true that, according to an ex boyfriend. Wendy

793
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 2: Adelson said many months prior to the murder that her brother,

794
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 2: Charlie Adelson, was looking for a hit man to kill

795
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 2: her husband.

796
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 8: She told investigators that right away, as soon as the

797
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,879
Speaker 8: murder happened and she was brought in, she threw her

798
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 8: brother under the bus, saying that he used to joke about,

799
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 8: here's a TV, it's cheaper than hiring a hitman, and

800
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 8: so that her brother, you know, didn't apparently didn't like

801
00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 8: that too much. On the stand, he admitted that at

802
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 8: times he had felt negatively towards Wendy. So if there's

803
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 8: any Adelson family member who will flip on another, I

804
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 8: think the only shot here is that Charlie, facing life

805
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 8: in prison, will flip on Wendy.

806
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 2: We know that Wendy Adelson was at one time officially

807
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 2: named an unindicted co conspirator, but as of right now,

808
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 2: there's no indication that she will be formally charged and

809
00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:33,840
Speaker 2: named in this murder. We wait as justice unfuls.

810
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 3: Goodbye friend,