Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2: What's up? Everybody?
Speaker 1: Welcome to move the sticks? DJ, Buck with you, Buck?
Speaker 1: What is going on? Man?
Speaker 2: Not too much, DJ.
Speaker 3: This is a great opportunity for us to have a
Speaker 3: little pot that'll be a little Bucky and Jaguar centric.
Speaker 3: As we talked about the three piece, and I got
Speaker 3: to tell you, I wrote an article this week on
Speaker 3: the Jags, namely Trevor Lawrence and how the Jazz can
Speaker 3: get them up and going, and I have to ship like,
Speaker 3: I got a lot of notes and a lot of
Speaker 3: commentary on the three piece, but I was like, Hey,
Speaker 3: I can't take that. That's a move the sticks thing.
Speaker 3: That's something that we created here. That's not a Blucky thing.
Speaker 3: We have talked about that, And as we get into
Speaker 3: this little thing on the Jaguars and how they can
Speaker 3: get Trevor Lawrence up and going, I wanted to make
Speaker 3: sure that everyone knew that, Look, that is something that
Speaker 3: we've talked about on this podcast forever in terms of
Speaker 3: how to get a young quarterback up and going.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like some of the things we've trademarked
Speaker 1: over the years, the three pots with trademark trucks and trailers.
Speaker 1: Definitely to revisit trucks and trailers. By the way, that
Speaker 1: could be a fun little offseason project for us. Identify
Speaker 1: some of the some of the true trucks in the NFL,
Speaker 1: and then maybe some guys that are trailers wanting to
Speaker 1: become trucks. That's a fun little assignment for us. But
Speaker 1: take us behind the curtain here, buck on what you learned.
Speaker 3: So one of the things that you know is buzzing
Speaker 3: around the league like Trevor Lawrence. And I think the
Speaker 3: reason why Trevor Lawrence's name it list is such a
Speaker 3: strong responses. Trevor Lawrence signed a five year, two hundred
Speaker 3: and seventy five million dollars deal. He was the number
Speaker 3: one overall pick, and I mean going back to his
Speaker 3: freshman year at Clemson, he was hailed as a generational talent.
Speaker 3: When he selected number one overall, people are still waiting
Speaker 3: to see him be the general rational talent. That mean
Speaker 3: he hyped him up to be entering the draft and
Speaker 3: coming into the league and so he has had a
Speaker 3: bit of a topsy turvy career in Jacksonville. Some of
Speaker 3: that is because he's on his fourth dad coach in
Speaker 3: his career, and he flashed you saw we saw the
Speaker 3: playoff game in twenty twenty two when they came back
Speaker 3: and knocked off the Chargers won a wild card game
Speaker 3: and move forward. But it's been a lot of ups
Speaker 3: and downs with his career, and so now Liam Cohen
Speaker 3: is hired, James Glastone, the general manager, comes over, Tony
Speaker 3: Boselli is elevated to EVP, and so they're trying to
Speaker 3: figure out how do they unlock this player that we've
Speaker 3: talked about for so long in terms of being talented,
Speaker 3: and then going to Jacksonville recently and then looking at
Speaker 3: the team and the moves that they've done. To me,
Speaker 3: it was a reminded what we've always talked about, the
Speaker 3: three p's and what's necessary to get a young player going.
Speaker 3: And so I'm gonna let you remind the people what
Speaker 3: the three p's are and then I will feel them
Speaker 3: in on how the Jacksonville Jaguars have used those tenants
Speaker 3: to really set Trevor Lawrence U for success going forward.
Speaker 1: If I remember correctly, I think the first time we
Speaker 1: discussed this was when Sean McVay had got to the
Speaker 1: Rams with Jared Goff, and we saw turnaround happen with
Speaker 1: Jared Goff and we're trying to figure this thing out
Speaker 1: on what all happened, and we came up with the
Speaker 1: three p's, which were as a quarterback. And it used
Speaker 1: to say, okay, but this is a young quarterback. Now,
Speaker 1: just for any quarterback to be successful, you need to
Speaker 1: have right play caller, you need to have some protection
Speaker 1: up front, and you need to have some playmakers. It's
Speaker 1: a very simple way of looking at it. But there's
Speaker 1: a lot of truth in there.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of truth in there. And so it's
Speaker 3: funny that I didn't remember if it was Sean McVay
Speaker 3: or not. That kind of was like the origin of
Speaker 3: where we talked the genesis, where we talked about it.
Speaker 3: But I think it's great that that is the case
Speaker 3: because with Liam Cohin, I think Liam Cohn is uniquely
Speaker 3: qualified to do it. Liam Cohn was a long time
Speaker 3: assistant coach for the La Rams, and when you think
Speaker 3: about the La Rams, I'm gonna drive this parallel in
Speaker 3: terms of Liam Cohn's experience and.
Speaker 2: How it works with Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 3: So for the La Rams, it was Sean McVay helping
Speaker 3: Jerrett Goff get up and going former number one overall
Speaker 3: pick didn't go well early with Jeff Fisher, Sean McVay
Speaker 3: finds a way to really help him become not only
Speaker 3: a Pro Bowl quarterback, but a guy that goes to
Speaker 3: a Super Bowl based on his improvement under his tulitis tutelage.
Speaker 2: Later, the La.
Speaker 3: Rams win a Super Bowl with a former number one
Speaker 3: overall pick and Matthew Stafford. Liam Cohen had been elevated
Speaker 3: to like office of coordinat had been around, so he
Speaker 3: saw that development and growth. Liam goes on his own
Speaker 3: after a stopping Kentucky and Lance in Tampa, where he
Speaker 3: has another number one overall pick in Baker Mayfield, who
Speaker 3: has a career year in Tampa under his watch. So
Speaker 3: when you think about one coach who's been around three
Speaker 3: number one overall picks who have all played well within
Speaker 3: a system or within a certain direction, you think, hey,
Speaker 3: if he can take all those lessons and deal with
Speaker 3: another number one overall pick.
Speaker 2: In Trevor Lawrence, it should play out well.
Speaker 3: So because of the experience and because of watching someone
Speaker 3: who is super talented in Matthew Stafford, someone who's a
Speaker 3: bit of an underdog.
Speaker 2: In Baker Mayfield, but he really made.
Speaker 3: Him play at a higher level, and then Jerry Golf
Speaker 3: who kind of falls somewhere in between. Liam Cohen has
Speaker 3: the ability to draw on a lot of different experiences
Speaker 3: to use the right tools to help Trevor Lawrence go
Speaker 3: to the next level. And as we talk about tactics
Speaker 3: and strategies in those things, those things are involved, but
Speaker 3: it's also the one on one relationship where you buy
Speaker 3: that you get the trust and the buy in from
Speaker 3: the player to believe that the things that you're saying are.
Speaker 2: Going to be successful.
Speaker 3: Well, Liam Cohen can point to a bunch of guys
Speaker 3: in similar situations who've had a lot of success following
Speaker 3: this blueprint.
Speaker 1: So that's going to lead me to this next point here,
Speaker 1: it's time for Hot or Not, brought to you by
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Speaker 1: that first p, then Buck and you look at where
Speaker 1: they are, and you just gave the resume of Liam Coleman,
Speaker 1: why that should be a good fit to handle that
Speaker 1: pee in terms of the play caller who's done it
Speaker 1: with a bunch of different quarterbacks and has been able
Speaker 1: to elevate their play. I feel like they're in a
Speaker 1: good spot with that pe if we were then go
Speaker 1: through the rest of the process here where they stack
Speaker 1: up right now where they are in Jacksonville. Well, the
Speaker 1: fun part is to talk about the playmakers.
Speaker 3: And I have likened this Jaguars team in a bunch
Speaker 3: of different ways to the Rams. Now there are people
Speaker 3: come from the Rams, so a lot of the things
Speaker 3: that you do culturally is very close or reminiscent of
Speaker 3: what the Rams have done to be a very successful program.
Speaker 3: But when I look at this team offensively, they remind
Speaker 3: me of those early Rams teams when you had Robert
Speaker 3: Woods and Cooper Cup and Brendan Cooks, guys that were fast, dynamic,
Speaker 3: They were interchangeable, but they had big playability. When I
Speaker 3: look at this current iteration of the Jaguars receivers, I
Speaker 3: see Brian Thomas Junior, who had looked by far the
Speaker 3: best rookie season of all the wideouts given his dynamic effects,
Speaker 3: his impact, and really the big plays he produced as
Speaker 3: a rookie. You now bring in the number two overall
Speaker 3: pick in Travis Hunter, who is a dynamic player in
Speaker 3: his own right. You add an explosive element in Deyanmi
Speaker 3: Brown for the Washington Commanders, who really began to scratch
Speaker 3: some of the potential, show some of the potential and
Speaker 3: the postseason of what he can do. Now this is
Speaker 3: a faster, more dynamic supporting cast around Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 2: So you not only have the ability to push the
Speaker 2: ball down the field.
Speaker 3: Which plays to Trevor Lawrence's strength, but now the horizontal game,
Speaker 3: the catch and run things that we saw the Rams
Speaker 3: do in those early years, those early days with Jared Goff,
Speaker 3: you can implement some of those things. And with a
Speaker 3: tied end like Brenton Strange being able to control the middle,
Speaker 3: this offense is more dynamic, but there are more ways
Speaker 3: that they can attack while making the game very very
Speaker 3: easy for the quarterback.
Speaker 1: Everybody's hunting explosives and they've added man over the last
Speaker 1: couple of years. They've built a real explosive unit there,
Speaker 1: a core of guys, and I think that does take
Speaker 1: care of that p I think they're in pretty good
Speaker 1: shape there when you look at those playmakers. By the way,
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Speaker 1: Withsabi dot com. So if we're going to say we're
Speaker 1: comfortable where they are with a play caller, they've got
Speaker 1: a dynamic, explosive group around him in terms of some
Speaker 1: skill set players to help elevate Trevor Lawrence. This is
Speaker 1: where the rubber meets the road for me, and I'm
Speaker 1: curious as someone who's close to the situation, has that
Speaker 1: even been there in the spring and seen these guys
Speaker 1: past protection? Where are we at here?
Speaker 2: Buck? We know DJ, We've talked about it.
Speaker 3: There are two ways that you can go about approaching
Speaker 3: to the offensive line. We can use the no Tomato
Speaker 3: can process where A it's not necessarily about having the
Speaker 3: high end guys all over, but it's making sure that
Speaker 3: we minimize the deficiencies that you have on the lot.
Speaker 3: So you may not have all great players, but if
Speaker 3: you have good and solid players, you can get it done.
Speaker 3: I believe the Jaguars have opted for that because there's
Speaker 3: a lot of conversations like a, should they go and
Speaker 3: get a high end guy?
Speaker 2: Where should they use an O line guide?
Speaker 3: They used a first round pick a year ago or
Speaker 3: a couple of years ago, on Anton Harrison, but they
Speaker 3: have elected to kind of try and put it together
Speaker 3: to eliminate the deficiencies on the offensive line. Six new
Speaker 3: faces amongst the offensive line to you compete for some
Speaker 3: spots that are available. You have Walker Little, who's a returner.
Speaker 3: You then you look on the other side. You have
Speaker 3: Anton Harrison, you have Ezra Cleveland. But by no means
Speaker 3: are any of those guaranteed an opportunity to start. You
Speaker 3: bring six new guys in from all different walks of life.
Speaker 3: Patrick Mharrie comes from the Baltimore Ravens, Robert Hainsey, Chimmiandoka
Speaker 3: Fred Johnson. You have two draft picks and Whyt Mullum
Speaker 3: and Jonah Monham Monham and you put those guys in
Speaker 3: there and you let them compete. And what I would
Speaker 3: say is different. A lot of times people talk about
Speaker 3: a competition, but it's not really a competition. We already
Speaker 3: have the depth chart drawn up in the office cause
Speaker 3: we know, hey, this is probably how it's gonna start.
Speaker 3: We're gonna tell them on the field that's a competition,
Speaker 3: but this is where we're gonna get to. But each
Speaker 3: I can tell you they're really going to have a
Speaker 3: competition because no one really knows who that's starting five
Speaker 3: is going to be. And you like to talk about
Speaker 3: competition raising the level of play throughout the building. This
Speaker 3: is an opportunity for the group to get better because
Speaker 3: it is a very editive environment and no one really
Speaker 3: knows who's going to get those those final chairs in
Speaker 3: the game of musical chairs.
Speaker 1: So if we use the scale that we've talked about
Speaker 1: on here before, uh, the one that that the grading
Speaker 1: scale that we had on on the Ravens, which is
Speaker 1: kind of a scouting system that's kind of made its
Speaker 1: way around a lot of the NFL. But we talked
Speaker 1: about three to seven. Right, five is dead average, six
Speaker 1: above average, seven excellent, you know, four below average, three poor.
Speaker 1: If I'm going to grade them, which would be a
Speaker 1: fun assignment. By the way, if you're listening to this,
Speaker 1: take your team and run them through this on the
Speaker 1: three piece with that scale. If I'm going to go
Speaker 1: play caller, I'm probably gonna go a six on Liam Cohen.
Speaker 1: You know what, the recent success that he's had and
Speaker 1: I like who he's learned under, So I'm gonna give
Speaker 1: him a six on that three to seven scale. Playmakers
Speaker 1: around him I'm gonna go I mean, I could probably
Speaker 1: fudge and say six plus.
Speaker 2: I mean I could.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm gonna get to seven, but
Speaker 1: they got a chance, they have a chance to be
Speaker 1: a seven. But I'm gonna keep them at a six
Speaker 1: for now.
Speaker 2: But that's that's.
Speaker 1: Plenty good enough. And then when you get to the
Speaker 1: pass protection, I'm probably going to be optimistic five, optimistic five.
Speaker 1: But I would say if the play callers could trend
Speaker 1: six north, I would say pass protection could be five south.
Speaker 1: Like that, I think at the end of the year
Speaker 1: we're going to be talking about this pass protection as
Speaker 1: a four or a five. I don't know if they're
Speaker 1: good enough to be a six, but I think the
Speaker 1: playmakers could be a six or a seven.
Speaker 3: And so the thing that you and I know and
Speaker 3: watching a bunch of ball, the play call and the
Speaker 3: playmakers can make the protectors so much better. Right, there's
Speaker 3: a way that you can call the game that limits
Speaker 3: the exposure that the offensive line faces from the defense.
Speaker 2: Whether that's more quick game, whether it's catchup run.
Speaker 3: Concepts, whether that is doing a bunch of different things
Speaker 3: moving the launch point, so the defense never really knows
Speaker 3: where the quarterback is going to be There are things
Speaker 3: that the play caller can do to really enhance and
Speaker 3: protect the protectors. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 3: when you look at the Jaguars, the offensive line is
Speaker 3: really where the rubber Mester road and where it's going
Speaker 3: to be sided. How good they are are offensively. If
Speaker 3: they're solid, meaning if they just play at a five level,
Speaker 3: this seemed to be good enough to get to the
Speaker 3: ten win mark because the offensive weapons on a perimeter
Speaker 3: are legit. But if the offensive line doesn't play well,
Speaker 3: they don't have a chance to be able to to
Speaker 3: be able to get it done. So we could talk
Speaker 3: about the play call and the playmakers, but ultimately their
Speaker 3: fate will be decided on how to protect his play
Speaker 3: at the line of scrimmage. But that's a lot of
Speaker 3: teams in the National Football League. The old line played
Speaker 3: matters and you have to pay close attention to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so how would you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put your coaches hat on, Buck, and I'm
Speaker 1: gonna tell you right now, you're gonna play the Houston Texans,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna line up and you're gonna see Danil
Speaker 1: Hunter on one side. You're gonna look over to the
Speaker 1: other side, and you're gonna go, oh crap. It only
Speaker 1: gets worse from there. Will Anderson's on the opposite side.
Speaker 1: We've got de Nico Autry, who's gonna roll through there.
Speaker 1: They signed Darryl Taylor. That's a lot of dudes with
Speaker 1: a lot of juice coming at you off the edge.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna put on that play caller, you know
Speaker 1: about all those playmakers you've got, what's the best way
Speaker 1: to try neutralize that?
Speaker 3: Look, man, I think the ball is going to have
Speaker 3: to come out, and I think what you're gonna have
Speaker 3: to rely on.
Speaker 2: Is you're going to have to rely on your ability
Speaker 2: to get in.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, man, if you go back and look
Speaker 3: at the twenty seventeen, eighteen nineteen Rams when they got
Speaker 3: in those tight, clustered alignments, and it prevented you from
Speaker 3: really putting your hands on the receiver, so you never
Speaker 3: can neutralize your speed.
Speaker 2: To me, I think it stars there.
Speaker 3: How can I create different ways to get free access
Speaker 3: for my playmakers, because the belief in the building has
Speaker 3: to be that our playmakers are better than your defenders.
Speaker 3: But we got to find a way to protect the
Speaker 3: quarterbacks that we can get to them. I think condensed
Speaker 3: and cluster formations, lots of motion to keep them on
Speaker 3: the move, and then it's going to be about how
Speaker 3: can we find a way to put the best five
Speaker 3: out there. In my estimation, I would think that like
Speaker 3: Walker Little and Anton Harrison, I get purse bited the apple,
Speaker 3: but they got to be able to hold up in
Speaker 3: one on one situations because in a perfect world, you
Speaker 3: want to get all five out in the route and
Speaker 3: you want the quarterback to be able to have all
Speaker 3: the weapons out there so we can utilize it. But
Speaker 3: it puts more on sixteen to identify where the pressure
Speaker 3: is coming from and to get the ball out. So
Speaker 3: as much as I talk about the protection, can number
Speaker 3: sixteen beat defensive coordinators with his mind by understanding where
Speaker 3: the pressure is coming from and knowing where I got
Speaker 3: to get the ball out to allow my playmakers to
Speaker 3: do where they do really real in space.
Speaker 1: All right, last question for you here, and again this
Speaker 1: was a quick one today, just tackling this issue, and
Speaker 1: you can find this article on NFL dot com where
Speaker 1: Bucky jumped into this. We've talked about some of the
Speaker 1: different things that we've coined on our show over the years.
Speaker 1: Three p's tractors and trailers. No tomato cans. You mentioned
Speaker 1: that one as well.
Speaker 2: Three those are three.
Speaker 1: I mean we should copyright all these, right, those are.
Speaker 2: Three of them.
Speaker 1: The fourth one is the confetti tests. We've always talked
Speaker 1: about the confetti test on the show. Can you envision
Speaker 1: a world where you know, right place has got to
Speaker 1: be in place? But is Trevor Lawrence good enough to
Speaker 1: be standing there as the confetti falls from the ceiling
Speaker 1: for him to be a Super Bowl winning quarterback?
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he has a couple of things that you
Speaker 3: have to have.
Speaker 2: He has the talent and he has the character.
Speaker 3: The talent is it means like, look, he's the first
Speaker 3: round over our pick for a reason.
Speaker 2: You don't see people that size, that arm, that athleticism
Speaker 2: that can do it.
Speaker 3: But from a character's standpoint, I think he matches the
Speaker 3: tests in terms of his football character, his work ethic.
Speaker 2: His leadership ability.
Speaker 3: Now, I would say that I would say that if
Speaker 3: we're looking at the way the team has to be constructed,
Speaker 3: I think more Jerret Golf than Matthew Stafford in terms
Speaker 3: of protecting with the schematics to be able to get
Speaker 3: it done. I feel like Matthew Stafford, you can drop
Speaker 3: in any system and it works. I don't see Trevor
Speaker 3: in that, but I see Trevor as good enough to
Speaker 3: have the confetti fall on his shoulders if put in
Speaker 3: the right system, which I think he's in, surrounded by
Speaker 3: the right players, which is certainly there. That to me
Speaker 3: is a recipe for success. So I'm excited to see
Speaker 3: what it looks like.
Speaker 1: You've mentioned this before, and I think you might even
Speaker 1: have said this when we were chatting with our buddy
Speaker 1: John Gordon about the importance of confidence with Trevor. Like
Speaker 1: we can talk about the three p's, we can talk
Speaker 1: about building the team around him and putting him in
Speaker 1: a position where he can be successful. I think, more
Speaker 1: than anything else for him and the Jags buck if
Speaker 1: he can get to the starting pistol with with a
Speaker 1: lot of confidence and a lot of belief not only
Speaker 1: in his coaches and his players around him, but in himself,
Speaker 1: more than anything else, I think that's going to be
Speaker 1: the driver whether this thing works or not.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Look, I think a lot of it is like the
Speaker 3: intrinsically motivated, the confidence that comes inside, But I believe
Speaker 3: it's different than that.
Speaker 2: No matter what.
Speaker 3: And we've heard Tom Creane talk about this on podcasts
Speaker 3: in the past in terms of like, if the team
Speaker 3: feels like the coach truly believes in them, the players
Speaker 3: will play for him.
Speaker 2: It's still like middle school football, right.
Speaker 3: If they feel like the coach really believes in them,
Speaker 3: they're gonna get ice cream sandwiches at the end, They're
Speaker 3: gonna play hard.
Speaker 2: To me, I feel like this is basic of that.
Speaker 3: If Trevor Lawrence really feels like Liam Cohen is doing
Speaker 3: the best for him, believes in him and believes that
Speaker 3: he's his guy, he's gonna raise his game up.
Speaker 2: And I think that's it.
Speaker 3: So that's why that relationship, that communication that they have,
Speaker 3: more importantly, the belief, the connectivity, the trust that they
Speaker 3: have in one another will ultimately determine the success.
Speaker 2: If number sixteen believes.
Speaker 3: That the head coach sees him as his guy, then
Speaker 3: he's gonna play at another level. And so I think
Speaker 3: that is the thing. And so over the course of
Speaker 3: training camp in preseason is going to be really important
Speaker 3: for Liam and Trevor to get that relationship that bond
Speaker 3: established because if number fifteen, number sixteen feels like them
Speaker 3: coin is that battery pack in his back. He's gonna
Speaker 3: play at another level, probably a level that we haven't
Speaker 3: seen him play at in this leepe.
Speaker 1: Tell me if I'm crazy on this one. I this
Speaker 1: has become a trend over the last maybe five to
Speaker 1: ten years. I'm all in on it. Where and I don't.
Speaker 1: There's no data to back this up. So this is
Speaker 1: not part of our hot or Not segment, But buck
Speaker 1: during this time of year, this lull, this dead period
Speaker 1: that's coming up. If I don't see that my quarterback
Speaker 1: is gathering his receivers for some type of a can
Speaker 1: coon trip southern California, Florida where we're gona try and.
Speaker 2: Get everybody together to throw a little bit.
Speaker 1: I get a little concerned, as you should.
Speaker 2: Look, man, you got to be able to do extra
Speaker 2: and that.
Speaker 3: Commitment quarterback playmakers them spending extra time away from it,
Speaker 3: them building bonds beyond what the workouts are, having dinners together,
Speaker 3: becoming friends, like being able to finish each other's sentences
Speaker 3: because they spend so much time together. We always talk
Speaker 3: about like the relationship part of the business, but how
Speaker 3: the relationships really matter for the quarterback. It's really important
Speaker 3: that all those guys are connected because when the storm comes,
Speaker 3: as it always does, man your ability to believe in
Speaker 3: one another, to stay together in the storm, to whether
Speaker 3: the storm that's ultimately what matters. It also determines whether
Speaker 3: you come out of the storm or.
Speaker 1: Not, yain no doubt. Well, look, this was a quick
Speaker 1: one today, but a fun one. You mentioned about Tom Crean.
Speaker 1: We actually recorded that today, an episode of Tom Crean
Speaker 1: that we're going to release I believe July week. We'll
Speaker 1: have that one out, which was a great conversation, so
Speaker 1: be on the lookout for that. We continue to kind
Speaker 1: of grab some of our favorites to talk to on
Speaker 1: the pod and really makes it a fun time year
Speaker 1: for us and I hope you guys will enjoy it
Speaker 1: as well. So that's can do it for us today.
Speaker 1: We appreciate you guys, and we'll see you next time
Speaker 1: right here on.
Speaker 2: Move the sticks.