1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:06,479 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 2: What's up? Everybody? 3 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:10,120 Speaker 1: Welcome to move the sticks? DJ, Buck with you, Buck? 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:11,320 Speaker 1: What is going on? Man? 5 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 2: Not too much, DJ. 6 00:00:13,360 --> 00:00:15,079 Speaker 3: This is a great opportunity for us to have a 7 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 3: little pot that'll be a little Bucky and Jaguar centric. 8 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 3: As we talked about the three piece, and I got 9 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 3: to tell you, I wrote an article this week on 10 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 3: the Jags, namely Trevor Lawrence and how the Jazz can 11 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 3: get them up and going, and I have to ship like, 12 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 3: I got a lot of notes and a lot of 13 00:00:31,880 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 3: commentary on the three piece, but I was like, Hey, 14 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:35,720 Speaker 3: I can't take that. That's a move the sticks thing. 15 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 3: That's something that we created here. That's not a Blucky thing. 16 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,319 Speaker 3: We have talked about that, And as we get into 17 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 3: this little thing on the Jaguars and how they can 18 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 3: get Trevor Lawrence up and going, I wanted to make 19 00:00:45,240 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 3: sure that everyone knew that, Look, that is something that 20 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,720 Speaker 3: we've talked about on this podcast forever in terms of 21 00:00:50,720 --> 00:00:52,120 Speaker 3: how to get a young quarterback up and going. 22 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like some of the things we've trademarked 23 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: over the years, the three pots with trademark trucks and trailers. 24 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 1: Definitely to revisit trucks and trailers. By the way, that 25 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: could be a fun little offseason project for us. Identify 26 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:07,840 Speaker 1: some of the some of the true trucks in the NFL, 27 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,520 Speaker 1: and then maybe some guys that are trailers wanting to 28 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 1: become trucks. That's a fun little assignment for us. But 29 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: take us behind the curtain here, buck on what you learned. 30 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 3: So one of the things that you know is buzzing 31 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,160 Speaker 3: around the league like Trevor Lawrence. And I think the 32 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 3: reason why Trevor Lawrence's name it list is such a 33 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:29,760 Speaker 3: strong responses. Trevor Lawrence signed a five year, two hundred 34 00:01:29,760 --> 00:01:32,039 Speaker 3: and seventy five million dollars deal. He was the number 35 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 3: one overall pick, and I mean going back to his 36 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 3: freshman year at Clemson, he was hailed as a generational talent. 37 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 3: When he selected number one overall, people are still waiting 38 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:45,960 Speaker 3: to see him be the general rational talent. That mean 39 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 3: he hyped him up to be entering the draft and 40 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:51,880 Speaker 3: coming into the league and so he has had a 41 00:01:51,880 --> 00:01:55,040 Speaker 3: bit of a topsy turvy career in Jacksonville. Some of 42 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 3: that is because he's on his fourth dad coach in 43 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 3: his career, and he flashed you saw we saw the 44 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 3: playoff game in twenty twenty two when they came back 45 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 3: and knocked off the Chargers won a wild card game 46 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 3: and move forward. But it's been a lot of ups 47 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,320 Speaker 3: and downs with his career, and so now Liam Cohen 48 00:02:11,440 --> 00:02:14,400 Speaker 3: is hired, James Glastone, the general manager, comes over, Tony 49 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 3: Boselli is elevated to EVP, and so they're trying to 50 00:02:17,800 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 3: figure out how do they unlock this player that we've 51 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:24,160 Speaker 3: talked about for so long in terms of being talented, 52 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 3: and then going to Jacksonville recently and then looking at 53 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 3: the team and the moves that they've done. To me, 54 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 3: it was a reminded what we've always talked about, the 55 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 3: three p's and what's necessary to get a young player going. 56 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 3: And so I'm gonna let you remind the people what 57 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 3: the three p's are and then I will feel them 58 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,880 Speaker 3: in on how the Jacksonville Jaguars have used those tenants 59 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 3: to really set Trevor Lawrence U for success going forward. 60 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 1: If I remember correctly, I think the first time we 61 00:02:51,440 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: discussed this was when Sean McVay had got to the 62 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,720 Speaker 1: Rams with Jared Goff, and we saw turnaround happen with 63 00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 1: Jared Goff and we're trying to figure this thing out 64 00:03:00,960 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: on what all happened, and we came up with the 65 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: three p's, which were as a quarterback. And it used 66 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: to say, okay, but this is a young quarterback. Now, 67 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 1: just for any quarterback to be successful, you need to 68 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: have right play caller, you need to have some protection 69 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: up front, and you need to have some playmakers. It's 70 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: a very simple way of looking at it. But there's 71 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: a lot of truth in there. 72 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,280 Speaker 3: There's a lot of truth in there. And so it's 73 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 3: funny that I didn't remember if it was Sean McVay 74 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:25,679 Speaker 3: or not. That kind of was like the origin of 75 00:03:25,720 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 3: where we talked the genesis, where we talked about it. 76 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 3: But I think it's great that that is the case 77 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 3: because with Liam Cohin, I think Liam Cohn is uniquely 78 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 3: qualified to do it. Liam Cohn was a long time 79 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 3: assistant coach for the La Rams, and when you think 80 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 3: about the La Rams, I'm gonna drive this parallel in 81 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 3: terms of Liam Cohn's experience and. 82 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 2: How it works with Trevor Lawrence. 83 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 3: So for the La Rams, it was Sean McVay helping 84 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 3: Jerrett Goff get up and going former number one overall 85 00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 3: pick didn't go well early with Jeff Fisher, Sean McVay 86 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 3: finds a way to really help him become not only 87 00:03:58,000 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 3: a Pro Bowl quarterback, but a guy that goes to 88 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 3: a Super Bowl based on his improvement under his tulitis tutelage. 89 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 2: Later, the La. 90 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 3: Rams win a Super Bowl with a former number one 91 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 3: overall pick and Matthew Stafford. Liam Cohen had been elevated 92 00:04:13,320 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 3: to like office of coordinat had been around, so he 93 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 3: saw that development and growth. Liam goes on his own 94 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 3: after a stopping Kentucky and Lance in Tampa, where he 95 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:26,200 Speaker 3: has another number one overall pick in Baker Mayfield, who 96 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 3: has a career year in Tampa under his watch. So 97 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 3: when you think about one coach who's been around three 98 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 3: number one overall picks who have all played well within 99 00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 3: a system or within a certain direction, you think, hey, 100 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 3: if he can take all those lessons and deal with 101 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:45,839 Speaker 3: another number one overall pick. 102 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 2: In Trevor Lawrence, it should play out well. 103 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 3: So because of the experience and because of watching someone 104 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 3: who is super talented in Matthew Stafford, someone who's a 105 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:56,320 Speaker 3: bit of an underdog. 106 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 2: In Baker Mayfield, but he really made. 107 00:04:58,160 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 3: Him play at a higher level, and then Jerry Golf 108 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 3: who kind of falls somewhere in between. Liam Cohen has 109 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,400 Speaker 3: the ability to draw on a lot of different experiences 110 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 3: to use the right tools to help Trevor Lawrence go 111 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 3: to the next level. And as we talk about tactics 112 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,599 Speaker 3: and strategies in those things, those things are involved, but 113 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 3: it's also the one on one relationship where you buy 114 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 3: that you get the trust and the buy in from 115 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 3: the player to believe that the things that you're saying are. 116 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 2: Going to be successful. 117 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 3: Well, Liam Cohen can point to a bunch of guys 118 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 3: in similar situations who've had a lot of success following 119 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 3: this blueprint. 120 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: So that's going to lead me to this next point here, 121 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 1: it's time for Hot or Not, brought to you by 122 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 1: with Sabi Hot Cloud Storage. So if we start with 123 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,680 Speaker 1: that first p, then Buck and you look at where 124 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: they are, and you just gave the resume of Liam Coleman, 125 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:47,640 Speaker 1: why that should be a good fit to handle that 126 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 1: pee in terms of the play caller who's done it 127 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: with a bunch of different quarterbacks and has been able 128 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: to elevate their play. I feel like they're in a 129 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 1: good spot with that pe if we were then go 130 00:05:57,040 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: through the rest of the process here where they stack 131 00:05:59,880 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: up right now where they are in Jacksonville. Well, the 132 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:03,680 Speaker 1: fun part is to talk about the playmakers. 133 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 3: And I have likened this Jaguars team in a bunch 134 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 3: of different ways to the Rams. Now there are people 135 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 3: come from the Rams, so a lot of the things 136 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:13,560 Speaker 3: that you do culturally is very close or reminiscent of 137 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 3: what the Rams have done to be a very successful program. 138 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 3: But when I look at this team offensively, they remind 139 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 3: me of those early Rams teams when you had Robert 140 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:26,200 Speaker 3: Woods and Cooper Cup and Brendan Cooks, guys that were fast, dynamic, 141 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:29,359 Speaker 3: They were interchangeable, but they had big playability. When I 142 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 3: look at this current iteration of the Jaguars receivers, I 143 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 3: see Brian Thomas Junior, who had looked by far the 144 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 3: best rookie season of all the wideouts given his dynamic effects, 145 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 3: his impact, and really the big plays he produced as 146 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 3: a rookie. You now bring in the number two overall 147 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 3: pick in Travis Hunter, who is a dynamic player in 148 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 3: his own right. You add an explosive element in Deyanmi 149 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 3: Brown for the Washington Commanders, who really began to scratch 150 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 3: some of the potential, show some of the potential and 151 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 3: the postseason of what he can do. Now this is 152 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:07,240 Speaker 3: a faster, more dynamic supporting cast around Trevor Lawrence. 153 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 2: So you not only have the ability to push the 154 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 2: ball down the field. 155 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 3: Which plays to Trevor Lawrence's strength, but now the horizontal game, 156 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,120 Speaker 3: the catch and run things that we saw the Rams 157 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:19,600 Speaker 3: do in those early years, those early days with Jared Goff, 158 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 3: you can implement some of those things. And with a 159 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 3: tied end like Brenton Strange being able to control the middle, 160 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 3: this offense is more dynamic, but there are more ways 161 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 3: that they can attack while making the game very very 162 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 3: easy for the quarterback. 163 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: Everybody's hunting explosives and they've added man over the last 164 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 1: couple of years. They've built a real explosive unit there, 165 00:07:38,400 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: a core of guys, and I think that does take 166 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: care of that p I think they're in pretty good 167 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: shape there when you look at those playmakers. By the way, 168 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: that was this week's Hot or Not segment, brought to 169 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,000 Speaker 1: you by with Sabi Hot Cloud Storage store more and 170 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: do more with your data. Try them for free at 171 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: Withsabi dot com. So if we're going to say we're 172 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: comfortable where they are with a play caller, they've got 173 00:07:56,960 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: a dynamic, explosive group around him in terms of some 174 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: skill set players to help elevate Trevor Lawrence. This is 175 00:08:04,520 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 1: where the rubber meets the road for me, and I'm 176 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: curious as someone who's close to the situation, has that 177 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: even been there in the spring and seen these guys 178 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: past protection? Where are we at here? 179 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 2: Buck? We know DJ, We've talked about it. 180 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 3: There are two ways that you can go about approaching 181 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 3: to the offensive line. We can use the no Tomato 182 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 3: can process where A it's not necessarily about having the 183 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 3: high end guys all over, but it's making sure that 184 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 3: we minimize the deficiencies that you have on the lot. 185 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:36,000 Speaker 3: So you may not have all great players, but if 186 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 3: you have good and solid players, you can get it done. 187 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 3: I believe the Jaguars have opted for that because there's 188 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 3: a lot of conversations like a, should they go and 189 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 3: get a high end guy? 190 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: Where should they use an O line guide? 191 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,679 Speaker 3: They used a first round pick a year ago or 192 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 3: a couple of years ago, on Anton Harrison, but they 193 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:53,680 Speaker 3: have elected to kind of try and put it together 194 00:08:53,720 --> 00:08:57,559 Speaker 3: to eliminate the deficiencies on the offensive line. Six new 195 00:08:57,600 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 3: faces amongst the offensive line to you compete for some 196 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,920 Speaker 3: spots that are available. You have Walker Little, who's a returner. 197 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 3: You then you look on the other side. You have 198 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 3: Anton Harrison, you have Ezra Cleveland. But by no means 199 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 3: are any of those guaranteed an opportunity to start. You 200 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 3: bring six new guys in from all different walks of life. 201 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 3: Patrick Mharrie comes from the Baltimore Ravens, Robert Hainsey, Chimmiandoka 202 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 3: Fred Johnson. You have two draft picks and Whyt Mullum 203 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 3: and Jonah Monham Monham and you put those guys in 204 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,160 Speaker 3: there and you let them compete. And what I would 205 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 3: say is different. A lot of times people talk about 206 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 3: a competition, but it's not really a competition. We already 207 00:09:37,480 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 3: have the depth chart drawn up in the office cause 208 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 3: we know, hey, this is probably how it's gonna start. 209 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:43,600 Speaker 3: We're gonna tell them on the field that's a competition, 210 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:45,839 Speaker 3: but this is where we're gonna get to. But each 211 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 3: I can tell you they're really going to have a 212 00:09:47,240 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 3: competition because no one really knows who that's starting five 213 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 3: is going to be. And you like to talk about 214 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 3: competition raising the level of play throughout the building. This 215 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 3: is an opportunity for the group to get better because 216 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,880 Speaker 3: it is a very editive environment and no one really 217 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 3: knows who's going to get those those final chairs in 218 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 3: the game of musical chairs. 219 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:08,640 Speaker 1: So if we use the scale that we've talked about 220 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: on here before, uh, the one that that the grading 221 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: scale that we had on on the Ravens, which is 222 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 1: kind of a scouting system that's kind of made its 223 00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: way around a lot of the NFL. But we talked 224 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: about three to seven. Right, five is dead average, six 225 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 1: above average, seven excellent, you know, four below average, three poor. 226 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:27,719 Speaker 1: If I'm going to grade them, which would be a 227 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: fun assignment. By the way, if you're listening to this, 228 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 1: take your team and run them through this on the 229 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: three piece with that scale. If I'm going to go 230 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: play caller, I'm probably gonna go a six on Liam Cohen. 231 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: You know what, the recent success that he's had and 232 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: I like who he's learned under, So I'm gonna give 233 00:10:41,960 --> 00:10:45,319 Speaker 1: him a six on that three to seven scale. Playmakers 234 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 1: around him I'm gonna go I mean, I could probably 235 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: fudge and say six plus. 236 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 2: I mean I could. 237 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm gonna get to seven, but 238 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: they got a chance, they have a chance to be 239 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: a seven. But I'm gonna keep them at a six 240 00:10:57,200 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: for now. 241 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 2: But that's that's. 242 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: Plenty good enough. And then when you get to the 243 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: pass protection, I'm probably going to be optimistic five, optimistic five. 244 00:11:06,880 --> 00:11:09,320 Speaker 1: But I would say if the play callers could trend 245 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: six north, I would say pass protection could be five south. 246 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 1: Like that, I think at the end of the year 247 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:16,959 Speaker 1: we're going to be talking about this pass protection as 248 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: a four or a five. I don't know if they're 249 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: good enough to be a six, but I think the 250 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: playmakers could be a six or a seven. 251 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 3: And so the thing that you and I know and 252 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 3: watching a bunch of ball, the play call and the 253 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 3: playmakers can make the protectors so much better. Right, there's 254 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,000 Speaker 3: a way that you can call the game that limits 255 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 3: the exposure that the offensive line faces from the defense. 256 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 2: Whether that's more quick game, whether it's catchup run. 257 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 3: Concepts, whether that is doing a bunch of different things 258 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 3: moving the launch point, so the defense never really knows 259 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 3: where the quarterback is going to be There are things 260 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 3: that the play caller can do to really enhance and 261 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,240 Speaker 3: protect the protectors. But at the end of the day, 262 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:55,840 Speaker 3: when you look at the Jaguars, the offensive line is 263 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 3: really where the rubber Mester road and where it's going 264 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 3: to be sided. How good they are are offensively. If 265 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 3: they're solid, meaning if they just play at a five level, 266 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 3: this seemed to be good enough to get to the 267 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 3: ten win mark because the offensive weapons on a perimeter 268 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:11,840 Speaker 3: are legit. But if the offensive line doesn't play well, 269 00:12:12,040 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 3: they don't have a chance to be able to to 270 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 3: be able to get it done. So we could talk 271 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 3: about the play call and the playmakers, but ultimately their 272 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:21,679 Speaker 3: fate will be decided on how to protect his play 273 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:23,880 Speaker 3: at the line of scrimmage. But that's a lot of 274 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 3: teams in the National Football League. The old line played 275 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:27,839 Speaker 3: matters and you have to pay close attention to it. 276 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, so how would you. 277 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,719 Speaker 1: I'm gonna put your coaches hat on, Buck, and I'm 278 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: gonna tell you right now, you're gonna play the Houston Texans, 279 00:12:35,240 --> 00:12:37,120 Speaker 1: and you're gonna line up and you're gonna see Danil 280 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:39,959 Speaker 1: Hunter on one side. You're gonna look over to the 281 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: other side, and you're gonna go, oh crap. It only 282 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,320 Speaker 1: gets worse from there. Will Anderson's on the opposite side. 283 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: We've got de Nico Autry, who's gonna roll through there. 284 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 1: They signed Darryl Taylor. That's a lot of dudes with 285 00:12:50,120 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: a lot of juice coming at you off the edge. 286 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: If you're gonna put on that play caller, you know 287 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,719 Speaker 1: about all those playmakers you've got, what's the best way 288 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 1: to try neutralize that? 289 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 3: Look, man, I think the ball is going to have 290 00:13:03,080 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 3: to come out, and I think what you're gonna have 291 00:13:04,840 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 3: to rely on. 292 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 2: Is you're going to have to rely on your ability 293 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:07,839 Speaker 2: to get in. 294 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 3: I'm telling you, man, if you go back and look 295 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 3: at the twenty seventeen, eighteen nineteen Rams when they got 296 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,679 Speaker 3: in those tight, clustered alignments, and it prevented you from 297 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:17,559 Speaker 3: really putting your hands on the receiver, so you never 298 00:13:17,559 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 3: can neutralize your speed. 299 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 2: To me, I think it stars there. 300 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 3: How can I create different ways to get free access 301 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 3: for my playmakers, because the belief in the building has 302 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 3: to be that our playmakers are better than your defenders. 303 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 3: But we got to find a way to protect the 304 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 3: quarterbacks that we can get to them. I think condensed 305 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 3: and cluster formations, lots of motion to keep them on 306 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 3: the move, and then it's going to be about how 307 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 3: can we find a way to put the best five 308 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 3: out there. In my estimation, I would think that like 309 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 3: Walker Little and Anton Harrison, I get purse bited the apple, 310 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 3: but they got to be able to hold up in 311 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 3: one on one situations because in a perfect world, you 312 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 3: want to get all five out in the route and 313 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 3: you want the quarterback to be able to have all 314 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 3: the weapons out there so we can utilize it. But 315 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:01,960 Speaker 3: it puts more on sixteen to identify where the pressure 316 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 3: is coming from and to get the ball out. So 317 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 3: as much as I talk about the protection, can number 318 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 3: sixteen beat defensive coordinators with his mind by understanding where 319 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,120 Speaker 3: the pressure is coming from and knowing where I got 320 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 3: to get the ball out to allow my playmakers to 321 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:19,360 Speaker 3: do where they do really real in space. 322 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 1: All right, last question for you here, and again this 323 00:14:22,240 --> 00:14:24,600 Speaker 1: was a quick one today, just tackling this issue, and 324 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: you can find this article on NFL dot com where 325 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: Bucky jumped into this. We've talked about some of the 326 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: different things that we've coined on our show over the years. 327 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: Three p's tractors and trailers. No tomato cans. You mentioned 328 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: that one as well. 329 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 2: Three those are three. 330 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,080 Speaker 1: I mean we should copyright all these, right, those are. 331 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 2: Three of them. 332 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: The fourth one is the confetti tests. We've always talked 333 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 1: about the confetti test on the show. Can you envision 334 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: a world where you know, right place has got to 335 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: be in place? But is Trevor Lawrence good enough to 336 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 1: be standing there as the confetti falls from the ceiling 337 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 1: for him to be a Super Bowl winning quarterback? 338 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, because he has a couple of things that you 339 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 3: have to have. 340 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 2: He has the talent and he has the character. 341 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 3: The talent is it means like, look, he's the first 342 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 3: round over our pick for a reason. 343 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 2: You don't see people that size, that arm, that athleticism 344 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 2: that can do it. 345 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 3: But from a character's standpoint, I think he matches the 346 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 3: tests in terms of his football character, his work ethic. 347 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 2: His leadership ability. 348 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 3: Now, I would say that I would say that if 349 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,560 Speaker 3: we're looking at the way the team has to be constructed, 350 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 3: I think more Jerret Golf than Matthew Stafford in terms 351 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:31,480 Speaker 3: of protecting with the schematics to be able to get 352 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 3: it done. I feel like Matthew Stafford, you can drop 353 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:36,560 Speaker 3: in any system and it works. I don't see Trevor 354 00:15:36,600 --> 00:15:38,960 Speaker 3: in that, but I see Trevor as good enough to 355 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 3: have the confetti fall on his shoulders if put in 356 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 3: the right system, which I think he's in, surrounded by 357 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 3: the right players, which is certainly there. That to me 358 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 3: is a recipe for success. So I'm excited to see 359 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 3: what it looks like. 360 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:52,800 Speaker 1: You've mentioned this before, and I think you might even 361 00:15:52,800 --> 00:15:54,400 Speaker 1: have said this when we were chatting with our buddy 362 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: John Gordon about the importance of confidence with Trevor. Like 363 00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,320 Speaker 1: we can talk about the three p's, we can talk 364 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 1: about building the team around him and putting him in 365 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,360 Speaker 1: a position where he can be successful. I think, more 366 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: than anything else for him and the Jags buck if 367 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: he can get to the starting pistol with with a 368 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 1: lot of confidence and a lot of belief not only 369 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: in his coaches and his players around him, but in himself, 370 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: more than anything else, I think that's going to be 371 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,360 Speaker 1: the driver whether this thing works or not. 372 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:21,080 Speaker 2: Yeah. 373 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 3: Look, I think a lot of it is like the 374 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 3: intrinsically motivated, the confidence that comes inside, But I believe 375 00:16:26,880 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 3: it's different than that. 376 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 2: No matter what. 377 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:32,359 Speaker 3: And we've heard Tom Creane talk about this on podcasts 378 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:36,200 Speaker 3: in the past in terms of like, if the team 379 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 3: feels like the coach truly believes in them, the players 380 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 3: will play for him. 381 00:16:40,920 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 2: It's still like middle school football, right. 382 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 3: If they feel like the coach really believes in them, 383 00:16:45,720 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 3: they're gonna get ice cream sandwiches at the end, They're 384 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:48,480 Speaker 3: gonna play hard. 385 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 2: To me, I feel like this is basic of that. 386 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 3: If Trevor Lawrence really feels like Liam Cohen is doing 387 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:56,720 Speaker 3: the best for him, believes in him and believes that 388 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 3: he's his guy, he's gonna raise his game up. 389 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 2: And I think that's it. 390 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 3: So that's why that relationship, that communication that they have, 391 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:08,600 Speaker 3: more importantly, the belief, the connectivity, the trust that they 392 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 3: have in one another will ultimately determine the success. 393 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:13,919 Speaker 2: If number sixteen believes. 394 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 3: That the head coach sees him as his guy, then 395 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 3: he's gonna play at another level. And so I think 396 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:20,800 Speaker 3: that is the thing. And so over the course of 397 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 3: training camp in preseason is going to be really important 398 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,359 Speaker 3: for Liam and Trevor to get that relationship that bond 399 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:30,360 Speaker 3: established because if number fifteen, number sixteen feels like them 400 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 3: coin is that battery pack in his back. He's gonna 401 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 3: play at another level, probably a level that we haven't 402 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:35,920 Speaker 3: seen him play at in this leepe. 403 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,480 Speaker 1: Tell me if I'm crazy on this one. I this 404 00:17:39,560 --> 00:17:42,239 Speaker 1: has become a trend over the last maybe five to 405 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: ten years. I'm all in on it. Where and I don't. 406 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: There's no data to back this up. So this is 407 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: not part of our hot or Not segment, But buck 408 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: during this time of year, this lull, this dead period 409 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,720 Speaker 1: that's coming up. If I don't see that my quarterback 410 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,359 Speaker 1: is gathering his receivers for some type of a can 411 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,399 Speaker 1: coon trip southern California, Florida where we're gona try and. 412 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 2: Get everybody together to throw a little bit. 413 00:18:03,600 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: I get a little concerned, as you should. 414 00:18:06,920 --> 00:18:08,439 Speaker 2: Look, man, you got to be able to do extra 415 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 2: and that. 416 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 3: Commitment quarterback playmakers them spending extra time away from it, 417 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:21,679 Speaker 3: them building bonds beyond what the workouts are, having dinners together, 418 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 3: becoming friends, like being able to finish each other's sentences 419 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:28,360 Speaker 3: because they spend so much time together. We always talk 420 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,440 Speaker 3: about like the relationship part of the business, but how 421 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 3: the relationships really matter for the quarterback. It's really important 422 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 3: that all those guys are connected because when the storm comes, 423 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 3: as it always does, man your ability to believe in 424 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,240 Speaker 3: one another, to stay together in the storm, to whether 425 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 3: the storm that's ultimately what matters. It also determines whether 426 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 3: you come out of the storm or. 427 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: Not, yain no doubt. Well, look, this was a quick 428 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: one today, but a fun one. You mentioned about Tom Crean. 429 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:58,440 Speaker 1: We actually recorded that today, an episode of Tom Crean 430 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: that we're going to release I believe July week. We'll 431 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 1: have that one out, which was a great conversation, so 432 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,360 Speaker 1: be on the lookout for that. We continue to kind 433 00:19:05,359 --> 00:19:07,719 Speaker 1: of grab some of our favorites to talk to on 434 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,680 Speaker 1: the pod and really makes it a fun time year 435 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 1: for us and I hope you guys will enjoy it 436 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: as well. So that's can do it for us today. 437 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 1: We appreciate you guys, and we'll see you next time 438 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: right here on. 439 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 2: Move the sticks.