Speaker 1: Misspelling with Tory Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast. Okay, I am
Speaker 1: joined by a country music superstar. She has countless hits
Speaker 1: and awards under her belt, Plus she has new music
Speaker 1: coming out, an album called Unbroke and the best legs
Speaker 1: in the business Welcome with me. Sarah Evans, you are
Speaker 1: my idol.
Speaker 2: I would have had ten if I could have. And
Speaker 2: I've been following you all these years and watching you
Speaker 2: just like pop these babies out, and I'm like, I
Speaker 2: want that, but I can only have three. I was
Speaker 2: fucking fertile.
Speaker 1: I didn't know.
Speaker 2: I didn't know how many is all together?
Speaker 1: Five fight?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you have three? I have three. But I
Speaker 2: come from a family of seven, and that's yeah, where
Speaker 2: do you like not? I'm number three? I was between
Speaker 2: the two boys, and then there was me and then
Speaker 2: two girls that were sixteen months apart. And then my
Speaker 2: mother and father divorced after five kids, and then my
Speaker 2: mom got remarried and had two little girls, have two
Speaker 2: half sisters. So I was always kind of alone. Like
Speaker 2: in the family, I didn't I didn't have a partner.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's sad. Yeah, that's kind of sad. Effect Well,
Speaker 2: I think it's probably the reason that because my whole
Speaker 2: family's musical, as I explained on stage, so it could
Speaker 2: be the reason that I just really went after the
Speaker 2: dream of music, because you know, I felt like I
Speaker 2: wanted to make a life different and of my own sort.
Speaker 1: Of right age four.
Speaker 2: Yeah, at age four, our parents realized that we could
Speaker 2: sing and you know, do music. And I'm so grateful
Speaker 2: to my mom because we were farmers, and farmers are
Speaker 2: not only always broke, but they're so busy. And my
Speaker 2: mother could have been and you know this, having five kids,
Speaker 2: my mom could have just said, my kids are so
Speaker 2: talented and they can do music, and that would have
Speaker 2: been it. But she made the efforts and went out
Speaker 2: and bought music equipment and found musicians and did that
Speaker 2: for us. And I'm so great because, you know, a lot.
Speaker 1: Way before Chris Jenner Way, Mamager.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, my mom was the original Christian. My god, yes, yeah,
Speaker 2: totally like you know what I'm saying. As moms, we
Speaker 2: could have been just too tired to do it always.
Speaker 2: I'm very grateful that she pushed us. One time I
Speaker 2: asked her, why did you do that? You know, when
Speaker 2: we were so busy and we had so much going on,
Speaker 2: and she said, because I wanted you to be more
Speaker 2: than just you know, play sports in a small town,
Speaker 2: and I wanted you to get out and so I
Speaker 2: owe it to my mother.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, well and yourself.
Speaker 2: And yes, wait, I.
Speaker 1: Can't talk to you right now unless I tell you
Speaker 1: the story of my teeth.
Speaker 2: Okay, what happened?
Speaker 1: Okay, so my whole life I had like terrible teeth.
Speaker 1: My best friend for my fiftieth birthday was like, he's
Speaker 1: a huge dynasty. He's like, I'm giving you. It's like Oprah, like,
Speaker 1: look on your seat, you got new Veneers. Whoa way Govenirs?
Speaker 1: You got venirs?
Speaker 2: And yeah, so are you telling me this because my
Speaker 2: teeth are crooked? Oh my god, let me lick your
Speaker 2: teeth there, and I need Veneers. I want vine ears.
Speaker 1: You're so hot and I want to lick your teeth. Sorry, sorry, Jay.
Speaker 1: Her husband's right here.
Speaker 2: She would probably love that. Oh my god, that.
Speaker 1: Little crooked tooth is turning me on.
Speaker 2: Okay, an, wait, so you have temporaries in right now?
Speaker 1: Oh, I got yesterday and I'm lisping and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm interviewing Sarah Evans and this is not okay, so
Speaker 1: I felt the need to tell you, and then I
Speaker 1: can't get it out of the way, and then we
Speaker 1: move on.
Speaker 2: I never would have known. You're doing great with it.
Speaker 2: Are you in pain? And do you have pain pills
Speaker 2: that you could share?
Speaker 1: Oh God, I love you already.
Speaker 2: Yeah you too.
Speaker 1: But yeah, if you hear me lisping, it's not because
Speaker 1: I'm drunk, it's because.
Speaker 2: It's the reason. Yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: But they're white and they're crisp and there they look amazing.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 3: We're all the same age. We were joking that there's
Speaker 3: hot flashes up in here.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a.
Speaker 3: Lot of hot.
Speaker 2: I'm done in menopause. You're what I'm done with it?
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure done. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh like has an end?
Speaker 3: It's ended if one year at tori, if one year
Speaker 3: or no period, allegedly, you're done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you're and what Harry, listen to me
Speaker 2: get pregnant during minopause? Did you know that?
Speaker 1: My friend told me that, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I would love to be pregnant again. But then my
Speaker 2: name my friend, my son Avery's twenty four, okay, he's
Speaker 2: my favorite. And then my daughter, Audrey, I mean Livy
Speaker 2: is twenty one, and my daughter Audrey is nineteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: One of the reasons I wanted to bring you together
Speaker 3: is you really have a lot of your journey in common.
Speaker 1: First of all, i'd love to have another baby.
Speaker 2: I would too. Oh my god, it's the best. There's
Speaker 2: no better time in your life than when you bring
Speaker 2: that baby home. I never complained about losing sleep, No, no, no,
Speaker 2: I loved it every second of it.
Speaker 1: Same same Jay. Well, I don't know if you're open this.
Speaker 1: Would you impregnate both of us? It's just a question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, at this point we're in our fifties.
Speaker 2: Who cares?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: One might have to be done through ibs. That would
Speaker 2: be me and me.
Speaker 1: Sister. I'm totally in menopause, but I'm still bummed, like
Speaker 1: I should have freezed my eggs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm begging my children to have children because you know,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna just steal the grandchildren.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I fucking love you because I have
Speaker 1: this idea. It's like a lifetime movie idea where a
Speaker 1: mother steals her kids eggs because she's dating a younger man.
Speaker 1: Sound familiar.
Speaker 2: That's the best idea ever.
Speaker 1: It's called my daughter's eggs.
Speaker 2: Can I be in it. I'll play an egg.
Speaker 1: Uh can you be the lead? By the way, I
Speaker 1: just have to tell you you have the hottest legs
Speaker 1: the business.
Speaker 2: Thank you their gift from my mother. But I didn't
Speaker 2: do anything to like earn them. It's just she's got
Speaker 2: great legs, and I, you know, thank God got that
Speaker 2: from her. I mean, thank you for saying that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, let's go back like you started. And
Speaker 1: I know you started a four, but you started in
Speaker 1: your twenties becoming famous. What age do you think you
Speaker 1: became famous.
Speaker 2: I think I became famous at age twenty eight or
Speaker 2: twenty nine, okay, because I decided I'm not gonna have
Speaker 2: a baby until I have a number one record, because
Speaker 2: I wanted to be able.
Speaker 1: To a woman yes, and I.
Speaker 2: Wanted to able to have enough money to have a nanny,
Speaker 2: because I was not gonna go on the road and
Speaker 2: not take my kids with me. I would have just quit.
Speaker 2: And I'm friends with Martina McBride, and so one day
Speaker 2: it was huge pregnant, sitting on the couch with my
Speaker 2: first child. I never found out what I was having either.
Speaker 2: I always made it a surprise. All three, yep, all three.
Speaker 2: So I said, what am I gonna do when the
Speaker 2: baby's born? How am I going to tour? And she said,
Speaker 2: you know, anything that the record label asks you to do,
Speaker 2: you need to say you have to pay for a nanny,
Speaker 2: because I'm not doing it without bringing the baby. So
Speaker 2: I had my first number one record, and then I
Speaker 2: got pregnant, and that's when I feel like I became
Speaker 2: famous because with that pregnancy, I gained over fifty pounds.
Speaker 2: And I remember sitting on the couch and I saw
Speaker 2: a Faith Hill video come on TV and I was like,
Speaker 2: you know that bitch and then she she's beautiful, Oh
Speaker 2: my god. And so I just was like, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: grow my hairlong, I'm gonna get so skinny, and I'm
Speaker 2: going to be a hot mom. And then my song
Speaker 2: went number one and then we came out with to Fly.
Speaker 2: So right around twenty thirty, I've felt famous.
Speaker 1: So Taylor Swift says, you were stunted at the age
Speaker 1: you become famous. Interesting, But you say twenty eight twenty nine.
Speaker 2: I would say I would say I act about twent
Speaker 2: ine thirty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you feel stunted at that age?
Speaker 2: I don't feel stunted at that age, but you know
Speaker 2: how as you age. I remember my dad telling me
Speaker 2: this one time that you never feel different after like thirty,
Speaker 2: like you kind of always think the same way about clothes,
Speaker 2: about fashion, about style, about you know, having fun. I
Speaker 2: don't think you ever really change your mindset after about
Speaker 2: thirty in your thirties, because my dad was like, I
Speaker 2: still feel like I'm in my thirties. So stunted might
Speaker 2: not be the right word. And we all know Taylor
Speaker 2: Swift is terrible with words. But but yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: feel much different than I did twenty four years ago
Speaker 2: when Avery was born.
Speaker 1: You don't look much different.
Speaker 2: Well, thank you, you don't either, thank you.
Speaker 1: So we're here in Napa Country in the vineyards and
Speaker 1: I introduce you twenty one days to break a habit? Yes, correct, Yes,
Speaker 1: I watched you. I fucking cheered from the crowd, and
Speaker 1: that hit home. Is that true?
Speaker 2: You know I come from I've always heard that if
Speaker 2: you can do anything for twenty one days, then you're
Speaker 2: broken a habit, you know, like or you've started a habit. Okay,
Speaker 2: So like you know, if you if you're like I'm
Speaker 2: gonna jog for twenty one days straight, then you're you've
Speaker 2: entered into that habit. So I was writing with Jeff
Speaker 2: Trott and Melissa Fuller. Jeff Trott co produced all Sheryl
Speaker 2: Crow's records, co wrote all of her songs. He wrote
Speaker 2: if It Makes You Happy by himself.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah and wow.
Speaker 2: So I went in and I had this idea because
Speaker 2: I'm a lyricist. I don't like love writing melodies. I'm
Speaker 2: much more of a lyricist. So I was like, Jane
Speaker 2: and I were separated at the time, and so I
Speaker 2: wanted to write a song that was kind of on
Speaker 2: the funnier side of things, like if you can do
Speaker 2: something for twenty one days, you know, you would break
Speaker 2: a habit. But I couldn't even go two days without
Speaker 2: you know, talking.
Speaker 1: To Jay or one thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like I say, we were separated, but we were
Speaker 2: always together, always texting because we're soulmates and we're so
Speaker 2: in love. And so nevertheless, we ended up writing the
Speaker 2: song they say it takes twenty one days to break
Speaker 2: a habit, And then at the end, I was like,
Speaker 2: wouldn't it be funny if we got on the calculator
Speaker 2: and trying to figure out how much time that is?
Speaker 2: So it's five hundred hours, two hundred minutes, twenty four
Speaker 2: hundred seconds. That's twenty one days. Is there a habit
Speaker 2: you're trying to break? Yes, Sarah, what is it?
Speaker 1: Well, I just got out of an eighteen year marriage.
Speaker 1: I see, so I'm trying to break that.
Speaker 2: And you know, it's really hard because depending on the situation,
Speaker 2: sometimes like your therapist or whatever, we'll say, you know what,
Speaker 2: my therapist.
Speaker 1: Your therapists have one. So yeah, yeah, I'm happy you're here.
Speaker 2: Well, Jane and I are going to be in marriage
Speaker 2: counseling for the rest of our lives because it is
Speaker 2: truly so helpful. It's so helpful. And then outside of therapy,
Speaker 2: we don't talk about anything, so we save it all
Speaker 2: for therapy. I mean we talk. We're like dead signs
Speaker 2: now they say that's yeah, you know, helpful. And so
Speaker 2: depending on the situation, if you're going to try to
Speaker 2: go no contact to make it easier on you, Yes,
Speaker 2: the twenty one days is where the idea for that
Speaker 2: song came from. I never succeeded. When Jaye and I
Speaker 2: first got married, we used to try to make it
Speaker 2: a rule with certain people in our lives that we
Speaker 2: were going to do texting back and forth five words
Speaker 2: or less, Yes that sounds good, or I will be
Speaker 2: there at five just to keep the emotion out of
Speaker 2: it all that, because there's so much emotion.
Speaker 1: I think I'm more interested actually in my future right
Speaker 1: and like the future human I partner with?
Speaker 2: Correct, what is that look like? I believe that if
Speaker 2: you are really going to divorce, you're really going to
Speaker 2: be okay. If you're really going to do that. My
Speaker 2: opinion is, you know that needs because I have a
Speaker 2: friend who's going through this right now and she's really
Speaker 2: worried about that. I never thought about it because I
Speaker 2: knew that there's no way I'm not ending up with Jay,
Speaker 2: you know, I just knew that. But even though we
Speaker 2: went through a hard time, I knew that we were
Speaker 2: going to have grandchildren together. He adopted my children, he
Speaker 2: raised them, so I knew that we were But my
Speaker 2: friend is thinking the same thing that you are. What
Speaker 2: is what if I end up alone?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: Nobody wants to think about balance down, ye.
Speaker 1: Friends are like, I just want you to get what
Speaker 1: you deserve right, always the thing, and no one can
Speaker 1: know what you deserve except for you.
Speaker 2: And if you you know, I don't know at all
Speaker 2: where you stand. But what I always tell my friend
Speaker 2: who's going through a divorce, trust God be still, let
Speaker 2: him work it out. But it is a very scary
Speaker 2: thought to think about being alone at fifty. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: you will not be Tori. How do you know, Sarah Evans?
Speaker 2: You're beautiful, love your home name, you're beautiful.
Speaker 1: Kids. Who wants that?
Speaker 2: Yeah? But you A lot of people do a lot
Speaker 2: of people do. I mean, if I were you, I
Speaker 2: would focus more on healing from your marriage. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: then moving to that now I've been divorced already. When
Speaker 2: I was divorcing him was a totally different because I
Speaker 2: couldn't stand the motherfucker. And so Craig, Yes, so I
Speaker 2: think I did. Think you guys.
Speaker 1: Married a year later after we met met Okay, tell
Speaker 1: me yes?
Speaker 2: Sorry, sorry, Well, you know this is so funny. So
Speaker 2: Craig and I did a lot of marriage counseling. I
Speaker 2: I always felt guilty because I didn't truly love him. However,
Speaker 2: I have three children with him, and I'm as you know,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't change that for anything in the world. Yea,
Speaker 2: but he has not been in their lives at all.
Speaker 2: He has not been present at all. He hasn't seen
Speaker 2: them since twenty fourteen. Heartbreaking, yes, but thank god they
Speaker 2: had Jay. I mean, Jay stepped in, raised them, you know,
Speaker 2: took care of them. So I was a lot more
Speaker 2: worried about the things you're thinking about right now when
Speaker 2: I was going through.
Speaker 1: That divorce at the time.
Speaker 2: At the time, however, I was only in my early thirties,
Speaker 2: so I knew that I would meet somebody, but it's
Speaker 2: different at fifty.
Speaker 1: You worry about that.
Speaker 2: So Jay and I were introduced by a marriage counselor Jake.
Speaker 2: Is that not hilarious? So he and his wife were
Speaker 2: separated ex wife. Craig and I were going through marriage
Speaker 2: counseling because I didn't believe in divorce.
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 2: I couldn't fathom it. My parents divorced when I was twelve.
Speaker 2: It killed me. My dad was a wonderful dad, but
Speaker 2: he was a bad divorce dad, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So I was always chasing after him and trying to
Speaker 2: get his love, and so I developed a lot of
Speaker 2: daddy issues. I know, that's such a common overused phrase.
Speaker 2: I did now, And so Craig and I counseled with
Speaker 2: this guy named Joe. He went down to Alabama and
Speaker 2: counseled with Jay. So Joe calls me and he said,
Speaker 2: I've never done this before because I've spent my life
Speaker 2: trying to keep marriages together. But I don't think that
Speaker 2: you should stay with Craig because there's a lot of problems.
Speaker 2: He said, And I have somebody that I want you
Speaker 2: to meet. And I was like, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: I'm never getting married again.
Speaker 1: Your marriage counselor set you up on.
Speaker 2: Yes, what the heck isn't that funny? And so he said, listen,
Speaker 2: when you're a divorce's final, you call me, we'll meet.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you the person is. I'm not gonna tea you.
Speaker 2: So we were My whole family were like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: who could it be? And so then when I found
Speaker 2: out it was Jay. Jay played football at Alabama. He
Speaker 2: was a quarterback superstar down there, won the national championship
Speaker 2: in ninety two. Then he played professional ball, and he said,
Speaker 2: I think it more if nothing else, you guys would
Speaker 2: be great friends. You've been through the same pace, say that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you'd be good friends.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So I was. I put the kids to bed one night,
Speaker 2: I was doing the dishes. I went into my office
Speaker 2: at home and I emailed Jay and I said, Hey,
Speaker 2: it's Sarah Evans. Joe told me about you. Went back
Speaker 2: to the kitchen. Yeah, and I heard the ding on
Speaker 2: my computer and I'm like, he's been sitting here waiting
Speaker 2: for me to email him, because he responded immediately, and
Speaker 2: so we just started talking NonStop. We had a very
Speaker 2: fast courtship. Our divorces were final one day apart. We
Speaker 2: have so much in common. He has four children, So
Speaker 2: I ended up moving to Mountain Brook, Alabama, and we
Speaker 2: raised our family to the kids. WHOA, you beat me?
Speaker 2: I did, but I didn't raise his children. They were
Speaker 2: with us in the normal uh parenting plan like every
Speaker 2: other weekend under that kind of stuff. My kids were
Speaker 2: with us all the time because their dad, you know,
Speaker 2: just high tailed it out of town and went to Oregon,
Speaker 2: where he's from. And yeah, so it's it's none of
Speaker 2: it's easy. It's hard. Marriage is very hard, and you've
Speaker 2: got to work at it, and you know, you have
Speaker 2: to have two very healthy people. Jane and I've learned
Speaker 2: a lot about ourselves and about our marriage and about
Speaker 2: what is and is not appropriate and acceptable and and
Speaker 2: We're going.
Speaker 1: Forward, understood. Sarah and Jay, you guys were apart for
Speaker 1: a while, though, what happened there?
Speaker 2: Did you cheat on me while we were so kid?
Speaker 1: I'm gidding, Sorry Jay, she found out.
Speaker 2: I found my bad. I think we were both miserable.
Speaker 2: I was miserable. Now. We were going through some very
Speaker 2: tough issues, and you know, I spoke about it on
Speaker 2: my podcasts and kind of I was just kind of
Speaker 2: going to be like, I'm gonna I'm gonna talk about
Speaker 2: it and then I'm going to try to let it
Speaker 2: go because it's it's quite embarrassing to our children, honestly
Speaker 2: to hear about it.
Speaker 1: My kids are the same, I want to hear this.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So now I just I know that that we've
Speaker 2: both changed so much and our marriage is incredibly healthy. Now.
Speaker 2: We communicate now, even today I was like, is something wrong?
Speaker 2: Is done it?
Speaker 1: Da?
Speaker 2: We communicate so well, where before that might have turned
Speaker 2: into a big fight, but today it was just an
Speaker 2: normal conversation between two married people. But during the separation,
Speaker 2: I was drinking all the time, just miserable because I
Speaker 2: missed my husband. I wanted him back. But now I
Speaker 2: say that I was not that way with my first
Speaker 2: marriage at all.
Speaker 1: Ever. Ever, it says something.
Speaker 3: Literally, in the last two weeks, you've each been the
Speaker 3: top story on People magazine.
Speaker 2: Is that helpful?
Speaker 3: Hurtful, harder? What is that for both of you?
Speaker 2: I would say for me, it's very, very hard because,
Speaker 2: for instance, my four step children fucking hate it. I
Speaker 2: mean they hate it because it's embarrassing. Yeah, and when
Speaker 2: you're famous, and as you know, when you're famous but
Speaker 2: you've got family members that aren't, well, they're like, I
Speaker 2: didn't choose to be famous. You're the famous ones, So
Speaker 2: don't talk about me. You don't talk about my dad,
Speaker 2: don't talk about you know.
Speaker 1: My fifteen year old says that exact thing all the time.
Speaker 1: I didn't choose this, right, Like, you're born into it.
Speaker 1: How we make our money right? Literally? Like sorry, yeah?
Speaker 2: But you know, with me, I can talk to my
Speaker 2: three about it a lot easier because they've been with
Speaker 2: me every single day of their lives. When you're a stepmom,
Speaker 2: it's a it's a different thing because you're trying very
Speaker 2: hard to you know, I'm not trying to be your mom,
Speaker 2: but I love you as though you were mine, but
Speaker 2: I'm not. You know, it's it's a man. It's a
Speaker 2: tight rope to walk. Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 1: Step parents.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's hardly Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1: My soon to be X has a girlfriend, a living
Speaker 1: girlfriend who has met the kids, and I like her.
Speaker 1: Oh good, They actually really like her. She's supportive of him.
Speaker 1: They keep each other accountable, they're sober, and yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a different.
Speaker 2: That will be very very very good for your children
Speaker 2: if you and she get along, agreed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I hope the partner I end up being
Speaker 1: with is the same person for my kids, right and
Speaker 1: going forward?
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, I will pray that for you.
Speaker 1: Thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for step children who I love. It's making things
Speaker 2: harder between us and I wanted to go the opposite way,
Speaker 2: but then at the same time, truth, it's the truth
Speaker 2: when it's out in the public.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: It was very hard to to decide whether or not
Speaker 2: to talk about it. And I asked Jay, for instance,
Speaker 2: the song Pride, I said, if you want me to,
Speaker 2: I'll make that third person she he you know, instead
Speaker 2: of and he was like, absolutely not. This is your
Speaker 2: song that you wrote. This is your story to tell,
Speaker 2: even though it involves me in all seven of our children.
Speaker 2: But for healing, for our marriage. We've got to be honest. Yeah,
Speaker 2: otherwise we're just going to go back into the same cycle,
Speaker 2: cycle and dysfunctional patterns. So, you know, I was very
Speaker 2: proud of him and grateful to him for saying, no,
Speaker 2: you sing that song exactly as you wrote it, don't
Speaker 2: change it. And then he also you know, gave me
Speaker 2: permission to speak about it on the first episode of
Speaker 2: my podcast. I didn't go in the detail, but it
Speaker 2: was clear enough. And now I just you know, I
Speaker 2: want to stop embarrassing our kids and and just move
Speaker 2: forward with life, and I want them to know that
Speaker 2: everything's fine, that they're safe, we're safe, and we're all good. Now,
Speaker 2: that's not always the case. It doesn't always happen that way.
Speaker 1: In your great relevant I mean, you're an amazing, iconic performer,
Speaker 1: but you're still relevant in the press, and they're always
Speaker 1: going to talk about you. They want fascination. So that's
Speaker 1: something that's just going to keep coming up, right, It's hard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how do you manage that?
Speaker 2: I think, you know, my hop in prayers of the
Speaker 2: further away we get from our separation and from all
Speaker 2: of that, that it'll just become old news. You know,
Speaker 2: the news cycle is so fast, and that's my hope
Speaker 2: and prayer. And then the more that people see that
Speaker 2: we're together and that we're in love. And you know,
Speaker 2: Jay and I have a lot of things that we've
Speaker 2: opened up about in therapy that are not excuses for
Speaker 2: anything but reasons. And that's why I say it's helped
Speaker 2: us so much, and we'll be in therapy for the
Speaker 2: rest of our lives because you begin to understand each
Speaker 2: other a lot better, like I never oh, I never
Speaker 2: knew you felt that.
Speaker 1: Wait, can you give me the number of your therapists
Speaker 1: because I'm hopeful they'll set me up with someone that
Speaker 1: I am and I just want to meet somebody I
Speaker 1: will get.
Speaker 2: Sorry you're you don't have to worry about that. You
Speaker 2: don't have to worry about it.
Speaker 1: Fucking worry about.
Speaker 2: Don't I know you're worried about it.
Speaker 1: I really do.
Speaker 2: With five kids, I really understand like a safe space,
Speaker 2: that's all I understand. I really do. But trust me,
Speaker 2: you are not going to be alone you you're too beautiful,
Speaker 2: you're too funny, you're too You're just open and you're
Speaker 2: like me and a lot and we're both very open
Speaker 2: and but I get it not meat before. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I've always liked to you, I've always
Speaker 2: followed you. I've always been interested in you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, are Sarah and j two point oh better than
Speaker 3: version one?
Speaker 2: For sure? Sarah and Jay marriage two point oh is
Speaker 2: probably I mean it's night and day from marriage on.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, And we named it that, yeah, marriage
Speaker 2: two point oh yeah, just because no, No, I just
Speaker 2: get emotional. But Jay is a great man who made
Speaker 2: some bad choices. Everybody deserves forgiveness and love. He certainly does.
Speaker 2: He's done a lot for me, and he's done so
Speaker 2: much for my children, and he's a great father to
Speaker 2: his children. And so I just couldn't be that person.
Speaker 2: That's just like, I'm not gonna try.
Speaker 1: And I know so many fans were like why right,
Speaker 1: Like it's over right.
Speaker 2: People don't understand, and it's a tough it's a very
Speaker 2: tough topic because.
Speaker 1: It is you don't been there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a tough topic.
Speaker 1: They're in a marriage. Sorry, mine didn't work out. Yours
Speaker 1: worked out, but I had that that happened where my husband,
Speaker 1: well it was different. Mine was infidelity. And then you know,
Speaker 1: people are like why are you staying? And I'm like,
Speaker 1: because I'm choosing to try to work on this.
Speaker 2: Right, and we've got five children, and yeah that I
Speaker 2: mean so yeah, that was a big part of it.
Speaker 2: But it's it's funny because like sometimes Jay, just like
Speaker 2: any marriage will just piss me off or you know,
Speaker 2: drive me crazy. I'm sure I drive him crazy too,
Speaker 2: but we love each other and it's it's hard to explain,
Speaker 2: you know, but I'm not sitting here I have.
Speaker 1: To explain because it's no one's fucking business.
Speaker 2: You're right, you're right, literally, you're right.
Speaker 1: And that's what it comes down to. Is they all
Speaker 1: weigh in on our lives. Sorry interpt. No, no, no, no, they
Speaker 1: all weigh in our lives. And at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, it's no one's fucking business between it's between.
Speaker 2: The two of you, right, And people think they.
Speaker 1: Know and that sucks, yeah, because you take so much
Speaker 1: of that on because you're a public figure and you
Speaker 1: take it on, you take it on and it influences
Speaker 1: how you feel about your partner, and it's not fair.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's perfectly said. That's right. It's very very difficult,
Speaker 2: and I'm not on some high horse sitting here saying,
Speaker 2: you know, but we worked it out and we stay
Speaker 2: together because I haven't. I have divorced, and I feel
Speaker 2: and I know people are gonna maybe maybe balk at
Speaker 2: this or whatever, but my reasons for divorcing my first
Speaker 2: husband to me were much more They were much more right,
Speaker 2: I mean than if I were to divorce day. I mean,
Speaker 2: those those were much more valid. That's the word. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think in your music you never sounded.
Speaker 2: Better or thank you you do.
Speaker 3: Your songs sound like the old Sarah Evans, if that
Speaker 3: makes sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's more about I'm competitive with myself and I'm
Speaker 2: a perfectionist, so I just want to I'm a better
Speaker 2: singer now than I was in my twenties. I just
Speaker 2: want to get better and better and better all the time.
Speaker 2: When I get to the point where I feel like
Speaker 2: I'm not singing great, that I'm quitting because I will
Speaker 2: not go out like we heard Sarah Evans tonight, No,
Speaker 2: that is not worth it to me.
Speaker 1: You're a phenomenal singer.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you funny. Shit, you're funny.
Speaker 2: So are you listen all what?
Speaker 1: It's kind of cute.
Speaker 2: I like it. I like it maybe.
Speaker 1: I'll keep it.
Speaker 3: Do you think in your fifties, for both of you,
Speaker 3: you are more willing to talk like is that because
Speaker 3: of the age we're all at now, where it's like,
Speaker 3: you know what, we can just be authentic?
Speaker 2: I think, I mean, I I feel like honesty is
Speaker 2: the best policy always.
Speaker 1: Well, otherwise they create your narrative.
Speaker 2: You're right, Yeah, you're so right, and you don't gotta
Speaker 2: you know, I'm never gonna sit here and tell anybody
Speaker 2: the minute details of mine and Jay's issues.
Speaker 1: Tell me after, yeah, okay, yea perfect tell you after.
Speaker 2: In fact, I texted you before the podcast and told
Speaker 2: you everything. But I'm never going to do that.
Speaker 1: But honestly, is brushing so hard?
Speaker 2: Honesty is the best policy within reason, and don't don't don't, yeah,
Speaker 2: don't humiliate your children. And but I do feel that
Speaker 2: in the fifties, I feel like there's so many younger
Speaker 2: women that need our advice and need us to be honest,
Speaker 2: because how else are we gonna help them or stop
Speaker 2: them from getting into a situation that we've been in
Speaker 2: that we weren't happy with.
Speaker 1: Mama. I'm just doing to heal myself, like I props
Speaker 1: to the younger generation. But I'm just like, woof, I
Speaker 1: can't take it anymore. I couldn't take it. Everyone was
Speaker 1: creating so much drama and the wrong drama. And I,
Speaker 1: you know, I've been schooled in the thought, you know,
Speaker 1: from the nineties, like you don't comment, you don't do that.
Speaker 1: I was finally like, I can't. Yeah, I have to
Speaker 1: tell my story because it's my truth, sooner than later.
Speaker 1: I don't want to do it later, like, I just
Speaker 1: want to get it out there.
Speaker 2: And what you said is correct. They'll create it if
Speaker 2: you don't tell it, they will. You're not going to
Speaker 2: be alone. I just know that.
Speaker 1: Okay, call your marriage counsel, like after this, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding.
Speaker 2: Is it a boy or girl? Well, the one we're
Speaker 2: using now is not the one that set us.
Speaker 1: Up as a different I want the one to set
Speaker 1: you up.
Speaker 2: I'll call him and I'll be like, who has divorced
Speaker 2: recently and who would like to date Tory spelling. Oh
Speaker 2: my god, that's what I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Do, Sarah as because I don't want to be alone.
Speaker 1: You are lonely, by the way, I'm not. Everyone's like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're just so scared of being alone, Like, no, I'm
Speaker 1: never alone. I have five kids, right, I'm never alone.
Speaker 1: It's not that I just want to partner. I want
Speaker 1: absolutely like someone that gets you want a person, you
Speaker 1: need a physical thing. I want someone that gets my
Speaker 1: brain because my brain it's pretty big.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no one.
Speaker 1: Has ever seen it. And I swear I'm like.
Speaker 2: Cool, why don't you go on that famous person dating site? Oh? Riah,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I never.
Speaker 1: Ry. So it's wild because you know, I've been married
Speaker 1: eighteen years.
Speaker 2: There were no dating apps, right, So.
Speaker 1: I would go through with my friends and then I'd
Speaker 1: be like, that's funny. And now I'm like, oh, is.
Speaker 2: That going to be me?
Speaker 1: And my kids are mortified. They hear that because I
Speaker 1: tell everything to my kids and they're like, yeah, you
Speaker 1: can't be on a dating app. And I'm like, how
Speaker 1: am I going to meet someone? And then I go,
Speaker 1: I'm going to be the old cat. I have one cat.
Speaker 2: I'm going to be the old cat lady. No, I'm
Speaker 2: just I swear I have a I have a good
Speaker 2: intuition about things. And you're not going to be alone.
Speaker 2: You're not going to be alone for very much longer.
Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, wait, what's his name and what's his sign?
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know signs, but I'm an Aquarius. I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna go ahead and say Aquarius and February what
Speaker 2: February fifth?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, but how old is your youngest child?
Speaker 1: Seven?
Speaker 2: Okay, you need to wait a little bit. I can't
Speaker 2: just a little bit. Oh, just a little bit.
Speaker 1: See, you've been through this in between sorry j ear muffs,
Speaker 1: Like in between things when people are like, just work
Speaker 1: on yourself, just be alone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go fuck yourself. It's hard because you want to
Speaker 2: say you be alone, bitch.
Speaker 1: I hate when people say that. Yeah, it's terrible.
Speaker 2: You just need and.
Speaker 1: Like, okay, do you sear all the people they're married
Speaker 1: and happy and I'm like in relationships. Yeah, Like, don't
Speaker 1: tell me to be alone and get to know yourself.
Speaker 1: I don't fucking want to get to know myself.
Speaker 2: Well, you do know yourself. I know myself exactly. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And you're I want to say too, you're a tremendous mother.
Speaker 1: Since I was fifteen, so you know what, I know myself.
Speaker 2: You're a tremendous I want to make sure you hear
Speaker 2: me say that you are a.
Speaker 1: Sarah Evans.
Speaker 2: You are are you? Are you bad at taking compliments?
Speaker 1: Really bad? You're a superstar? Are you good at taking compliments? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I like them?
Speaker 1: Really?
Speaker 2: Uh huh wait, I like taking it?
Speaker 1: Well, give me wisdom, I mean, how do you do it?
Speaker 2: Probably because I didn't get a lot of compliments growing up.
Speaker 2: And I don't mean that bad in any way, shape
Speaker 2: or form about my mom or my dad. But I'm
Speaker 2: from the Midwest where farmers. We're very stoic, non emotional,
Speaker 2: and so I don't know if the word is compliments,
Speaker 2: but I do love validation. I crave validation. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: get that.
Speaker 1: So on my bucket list, which I was married for
Speaker 1: eighteen years, never thought it would happen, was like, I
Speaker 1: never dated a musician?
Speaker 2: Do that? Who? What about Kenny Chesney? A single?
Speaker 1: Oh Kenny Chestney? Really?
Speaker 2: Well? Is he still cute? He's cute. Kenny and I
Speaker 2: are friends and.
Speaker 1: I know he resorts to you reason. Yeah, job. I
Speaker 1: was going to bring it up later.
Speaker 2: But am I supposed to do that my podcast? Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm going to think of somebody. I'm going to think
Speaker 2: of somebody for you, Okay, I'm going to find a musician.
Speaker 2: That's my dream. Musicians are the great people. Because she's you, well,
Speaker 2: Kenny Chestney will we'll cheat on you most likely, but
Speaker 2: he's ready fook us up immediately.
Speaker 1: I'm all in. I'm just kidding, talking you tonight to
Speaker 1: get his fucking DM.
Speaker 2: I'm kidding, Kenny. I love you. This has been incredible.
Speaker 2: Thank you for having me.
Speaker 1: Really, Oh my god, I love you.