1 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: Misspelling with Tory Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast. Okay, I am 2 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 1: joined by a country music superstar. She has countless hits 3 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: and awards under her belt, Plus she has new music 4 00:00:26,360 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: coming out, an album called Unbroke and the best legs 5 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:35,599 Speaker 1: in the business Welcome with me. Sarah Evans, you are 6 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: my idol. 7 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 2: I would have had ten if I could have. And 8 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:42,360 Speaker 2: I've been following you all these years and watching you 9 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 2: just like pop these babies out, and I'm like, I 10 00:00:45,600 --> 00:00:48,879 Speaker 2: want that, but I can only have three. I was 11 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 2: fucking fertile. 12 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: I didn't know. 13 00:00:51,320 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 2: I didn't know how many is all together? 14 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: Five fight? 15 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you have three? I have three. But I 16 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 2: come from a family of seven, and that's yeah, where 17 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 2: do you like not? I'm number three? I was between 18 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,280 Speaker 2: the two boys, and then there was me and then 19 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 2: two girls that were sixteen months apart. And then my 20 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 2: mother and father divorced after five kids, and then my 21 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: mom got remarried and had two little girls, have two 22 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 2: half sisters. So I was always kind of alone. Like 23 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 2: in the family, I didn't I didn't have a partner. 24 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 2: Yeah that's sad. Yeah, that's kind of sad. Effect Well, 25 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: I think it's probably the reason that because my whole 26 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:34,319 Speaker 2: family's musical, as I explained on stage, so it could 27 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:37,080 Speaker 2: be the reason that I just really went after the 28 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 2: dream of music, because you know, I felt like I 29 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 2: wanted to make a life different and of my own sort. 30 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: Of right age four. 31 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, at age four, our parents realized that we could 32 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 2: sing and you know, do music. And I'm so grateful 33 00:01:54,080 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 2: to my mom because we were farmers, and farmers are 34 00:01:57,960 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 2: not only always broke, but they're so busy. And my 35 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:05,200 Speaker 2: mother could have been and you know this, having five kids, 36 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: my mom could have just said, my kids are so 37 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 2: talented and they can do music, and that would have 38 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:18,239 Speaker 2: been it. But she made the efforts and went out 39 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: and bought music equipment and found musicians and did that 40 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 2: for us. And I'm so great because, you know, a lot. 41 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 1: Way before Chris Jenner Way, Mamager. 42 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 2: Oh my god, my mom was the original Christian. My god, yes, yeah, 43 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 2: totally like you know what I'm saying. As moms, we 44 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:43,680 Speaker 2: could have been just too tired to do it always. 45 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 2: I'm very grateful that she pushed us. One time I 46 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:50,639 Speaker 2: asked her, why did you do that? You know, when 47 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 2: we were so busy and we had so much going on, 48 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 2: and she said, because I wanted you to be more 49 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 2: than just you know, play sports in a small town, 50 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:01,959 Speaker 2: and I wanted you to get out and so I 51 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:02,760 Speaker 2: owe it to my mother. 52 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: Oh wow, well and yourself. 53 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:10,600 Speaker 2: And yes, wait, I. 54 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: Can't talk to you right now unless I tell you 55 00:03:12,360 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: the story of my teeth. 56 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 2: Okay, what happened? 57 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:18,680 Speaker 1: Okay, so my whole life I had like terrible teeth. 58 00:03:18,800 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: My best friend for my fiftieth birthday was like, he's 59 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: a huge dynasty. He's like, I'm giving you. It's like Oprah, like, 60 00:03:27,960 --> 00:03:33,280 Speaker 1: look on your seat, you got new Veneers. Whoa way Govenirs? 61 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: You got venirs? 62 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 2: And yeah, so are you telling me this because my 63 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,600 Speaker 2: teeth are crooked? Oh my god, let me lick your 64 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 2: teeth there, and I need Veneers. I want vine ears. 65 00:03:44,400 --> 00:03:47,839 Speaker 1: You're so hot and I want to lick your teeth. Sorry, sorry, Jay. 66 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: Her husband's right here. 67 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 2: She would probably love that. Oh my god, that. 68 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: Little crooked tooth is turning me on. 69 00:03:55,840 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 2: Okay, an, wait, so you have temporaries in right now? 70 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: Oh, I got yesterday and I'm lisping and I was like, 71 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:07,520 Speaker 1: I'm interviewing Sarah Evans and this is not okay, so 72 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: I felt the need to tell you, and then I 73 00:04:09,600 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 1: can't get it out of the way, and then we 74 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: move on. 75 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 2: I never would have known. You're doing great with it. 76 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,839 Speaker 2: Are you in pain? And do you have pain pills 77 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 2: that you could share? 78 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 1: Oh God, I love you already. 79 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 2: Yeah you too. 80 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, if you hear me lisping, it's not because 81 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: I'm drunk, it's because. 82 00:04:31,720 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 2: It's the reason. Yeah, yeah, okay. 83 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,599 Speaker 1: But they're white and they're crisp and there they look amazing. 84 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:38,200 Speaker 1: Thank you. 85 00:04:39,320 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 3: We're all the same age. We were joking that there's 86 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 3: hot flashes up in here. 87 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a. 88 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 3: Lot of hot. 89 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,159 Speaker 2: I'm done in menopause. You're what I'm done with it? 90 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure done. Yeah. 91 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: Oh like has an end? 92 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 3: It's ended if one year at tori, if one year 93 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,000 Speaker 3: or no period, allegedly, you're done. 94 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you're and what Harry, listen to me 95 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 2: get pregnant during minopause? Did you know that? 96 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:11,080 Speaker 1: My friend told me that, Yeah. 97 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 2: I would love to be pregnant again. But then my 98 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 2: name my friend, my son Avery's twenty four, okay, he's 99 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: my favorite. And then my daughter, Audrey, I mean Livy 100 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 2: is twenty one, and my daughter Audrey is nineteen. 101 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:24,359 Speaker 1: Yeah. 102 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 3: One of the reasons I wanted to bring you together 103 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 3: is you really have a lot of your journey in common. 104 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: First of all, i'd love to have another baby. 105 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 2: I would too. Oh my god, it's the best. There's 106 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 2: no better time in your life than when you bring 107 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 2: that baby home. I never complained about losing sleep, No, no, no, 108 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 2: I loved it every second of it. 109 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 1: Same same Jay. Well, I don't know if you're open this. 110 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:56,279 Speaker 1: Would you impregnate both of us? It's just a question. 111 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, at this point we're in our fifties. 112 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:01,799 Speaker 2: Who cares? 113 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: You know? 114 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:09,360 Speaker 2: One might have to be done through ibs. That would 115 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,280 Speaker 2: be me and me. 116 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: Sister. I'm totally in menopause, but I'm still bummed, like 117 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:20,960 Speaker 1: I should have freezed my eggs. 118 00:06:21,279 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm begging my children to have children because you know, 119 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 2: I'm gonna just steal the grandchildren. 120 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,320 Speaker 1: Oh my god. I fucking love you because I have 121 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 1: this idea. It's like a lifetime movie idea where a 122 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: mother steals her kids eggs because she's dating a younger man. 123 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 1: Sound familiar. 124 00:06:45,279 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 2: That's the best idea ever. 125 00:06:47,160 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 1: It's called my daughter's eggs. 126 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 2: Can I be in it. I'll play an egg. 127 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 1: Uh can you be the lead? By the way, I 128 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 1: just have to tell you you have the hottest legs 129 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: the business. 130 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 2: Thank you their gift from my mother. But I didn't 131 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 2: do anything to like earn them. It's just she's got 132 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 2: great legs, and I, you know, thank God got that 133 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 2: from her. I mean, thank you for saying that. 134 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:20,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, let's go back like you started. And 135 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,080 Speaker 1: I know you started a four, but you started in 136 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:27,760 Speaker 1: your twenties becoming famous. What age do you think you 137 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: became famous. 138 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 2: I think I became famous at age twenty eight or 139 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:39,440 Speaker 2: twenty nine, okay, because I decided I'm not gonna have 140 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 2: a baby until I have a number one record, because 141 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:44,080 Speaker 2: I wanted to be able. 142 00:07:43,920 --> 00:07:46,240 Speaker 1: To a woman yes, and I. 143 00:07:46,160 --> 00:07:48,239 Speaker 2: Wanted to able to have enough money to have a nanny, 144 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,360 Speaker 2: because I was not gonna go on the road and 145 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 2: not take my kids with me. I would have just quit. 146 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:58,400 Speaker 2: And I'm friends with Martina McBride, and so one day 147 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 2: it was huge pregnant, sitting on the couch with my 148 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 2: first child. I never found out what I was having either. 149 00:08:03,720 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 2: I always made it a surprise. All three, yep, all three. 150 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 2: So I said, what am I gonna do when the 151 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,960 Speaker 2: baby's born? How am I going to tour? And she said, 152 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,520 Speaker 2: you know, anything that the record label asks you to do, 153 00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,520 Speaker 2: you need to say you have to pay for a nanny, 154 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 2: because I'm not doing it without bringing the baby. So 155 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,840 Speaker 2: I had my first number one record, and then I 156 00:08:27,880 --> 00:08:31,320 Speaker 2: got pregnant, and that's when I feel like I became 157 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 2: famous because with that pregnancy, I gained over fifty pounds. 158 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 2: And I remember sitting on the couch and I saw 159 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 2: a Faith Hill video come on TV and I was like, 160 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 2: you know that bitch and then she she's beautiful, Oh 161 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,439 Speaker 2: my god. And so I just was like, I'm gonna 162 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 2: grow my hairlong, I'm gonna get so skinny, and I'm 163 00:08:55,040 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 2: going to be a hot mom. And then my song 164 00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 2: went number one and then we came out with to Fly. 165 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 2: So right around twenty thirty, I've felt famous. 166 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:10,319 Speaker 1: So Taylor Swift says, you were stunted at the age 167 00:09:10,520 --> 00:09:16,920 Speaker 1: you become famous. Interesting, But you say twenty eight twenty nine. 168 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:21,760 Speaker 2: I would say I would say I act about twent 169 00:09:21,880 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 2: ine thirty. 170 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:25,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you feel stunted at that age? 171 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,160 Speaker 2: I don't feel stunted at that age, but you know 172 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 2: how as you age. I remember my dad telling me 173 00:09:30,520 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 2: this one time that you never feel different after like thirty, 174 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:38,239 Speaker 2: like you kind of always think the same way about clothes, 175 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:43,200 Speaker 2: about fashion, about style, about you know, having fun. I 176 00:09:43,240 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 2: don't think you ever really change your mindset after about 177 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 2: thirty in your thirties, because my dad was like, I 178 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 2: still feel like I'm in my thirties. So stunted might 179 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,120 Speaker 2: not be the right word. And we all know Taylor 180 00:09:56,160 --> 00:10:02,680 Speaker 2: Swift is terrible with words. But but yeah, I don't 181 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 2: feel much different than I did twenty four years ago 182 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:06,720 Speaker 2: when Avery was born. 183 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: You don't look much different. 184 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,080 Speaker 2: Well, thank you, you don't either, thank you. 185 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:25,080 Speaker 1: So we're here in Napa Country in the vineyards and 186 00:10:25,640 --> 00:10:32,240 Speaker 1: I introduce you twenty one days to break a habit? Yes, correct, Yes, 187 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:37,599 Speaker 1: I watched you. I fucking cheered from the crowd, and 188 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,040 Speaker 1: that hit home. Is that true? 189 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 2: You know I come from I've always heard that if 190 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:46,679 Speaker 2: you can do anything for twenty one days, then you're 191 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 2: broken a habit, you know, like or you've started a habit. Okay, 192 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 2: So like you know, if you if you're like I'm 193 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 2: gonna jog for twenty one days straight, then you're you've 194 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:00,839 Speaker 2: entered into that habit. So I was writing with Jeff 195 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 2: Trott and Melissa Fuller. Jeff Trott co produced all Sheryl 196 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 2: Crow's records, co wrote all of her songs. He wrote 197 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 2: if It Makes You Happy by himself. 198 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 1: Oh my god, yeah and wow. 199 00:11:11,640 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 2: So I went in and I had this idea because 200 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:17,719 Speaker 2: I'm a lyricist. I don't like love writing melodies. I'm 201 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 2: much more of a lyricist. So I was like, Jane 202 00:11:20,240 --> 00:11:26,200 Speaker 2: and I were separated at the time, and so I 203 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,200 Speaker 2: wanted to write a song that was kind of on 204 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 2: the funnier side of things, like if you can do 205 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 2: something for twenty one days, you know, you would break 206 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:39,440 Speaker 2: a habit. But I couldn't even go two days without 207 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:41,080 Speaker 2: you know, talking. 208 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: To Jay or one thank you. 209 00:11:42,880 --> 00:11:46,839 Speaker 2: Yeah. Like I say, we were separated, but we were 210 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:54,320 Speaker 2: always together, always texting because we're soulmates and we're so 211 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 2: in love. And so nevertheless, we ended up writing the 212 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 2: song they say it takes twenty one days to break 213 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,240 Speaker 2: a habit, And then at the end, I was like, 214 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 2: wouldn't it be funny if we got on the calculator 215 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 2: and trying to figure out how much time that is? 216 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 2: So it's five hundred hours, two hundred minutes, twenty four 217 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:18,040 Speaker 2: hundred seconds. That's twenty one days. Is there a habit 218 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:24,520 Speaker 2: you're trying to break? Yes, Sarah, what is it? 219 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: Well, I just got out of an eighteen year marriage. 220 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 1: I see, so I'm trying to break that. 221 00:12:36,040 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 2: And you know, it's really hard because depending on the situation, 222 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 2: sometimes like your therapist or whatever, we'll say, you know what, 223 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:46,680 Speaker 2: my therapist. 224 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: Your therapists have one. So yeah, yeah, I'm happy you're here. 225 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 2: Well, Jane and I are going to be in marriage 226 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 2: counseling for the rest of our lives because it is 227 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 2: truly so helpful. It's so helpful. And then outside of therapy, 228 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 2: we don't talk about anything, so we save it all 229 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:07,439 Speaker 2: for therapy. I mean we talk. We're like dead signs 230 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:11,560 Speaker 2: now they say that's yeah, you know, helpful. And so 231 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 2: depending on the situation, if you're going to try to 232 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 2: go no contact to make it easier on you, Yes, 233 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,320 Speaker 2: the twenty one days is where the idea for that 234 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 2: song came from. I never succeeded. When Jaye and I 235 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,440 Speaker 2: first got married, we used to try to make it 236 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:35,400 Speaker 2: a rule with certain people in our lives that we 237 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:39,320 Speaker 2: were going to do texting back and forth five words 238 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:43,240 Speaker 2: or less, Yes that sounds good, or I will be 239 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:46,400 Speaker 2: there at five just to keep the emotion out of 240 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 2: it all that, because there's so much emotion. 241 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: I think I'm more interested actually in my future right 242 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: and like the future human I partner with? 243 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 2: Correct, what is that look like? I believe that if 244 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 2: you are really going to divorce, you're really going to 245 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 2: be okay. If you're really going to do that. My 246 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:19,280 Speaker 2: opinion is, you know that needs because I have a 247 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 2: friend who's going through this right now and she's really 248 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 2: worried about that. I never thought about it because I 249 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 2: knew that there's no way I'm not ending up with Jay, 250 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 2: you know, I just knew that. But even though we 251 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 2: went through a hard time, I knew that we were 252 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 2: going to have grandchildren together. He adopted my children, he 253 00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 2: raised them, so I knew that we were But my 254 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 2: friend is thinking the same thing that you are. What 255 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 2: is what if I end up alone? 256 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:49,080 Speaker 1: Right? 257 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 2: Nobody wants to think about balance down, ye. 258 00:14:53,040 --> 00:14:57,480 Speaker 1: Friends are like, I just want you to get what 259 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: you deserve right, always the thing, and no one can 260 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,480 Speaker 1: know what you deserve except for you. 261 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 2: And if you you know, I don't know at all 262 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,760 Speaker 2: where you stand. But what I always tell my friend 263 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 2: who's going through a divorce, trust God be still, let 264 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 2: him work it out. But it is a very scary 265 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 2: thought to think about being alone at fifty. Yeah, but 266 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 2: you will not be Tori. How do you know, Sarah Evans? 267 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 2: You're beautiful, love your home name, you're beautiful. 268 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: Kids. Who wants that? 269 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 2: Yeah? But you A lot of people do a lot 270 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 2: of people do. I mean, if I were you, I 271 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 2: would focus more on healing from your marriage. Yeah, and 272 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:57,360 Speaker 2: then moving to that now I've been divorced already. When 273 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,520 Speaker 2: I was divorcing him was a totally different because I 274 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:06,440 Speaker 2: couldn't stand the motherfucker. And so Craig, Yes, so I 275 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 2: think I did. Think you guys. 276 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:13,560 Speaker 1: Married a year later after we met met Okay, tell 277 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: me yes? 278 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 2: Sorry, sorry, Well, you know this is so funny. So 279 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 2: Craig and I did a lot of marriage counseling. I 280 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 2: I always felt guilty because I didn't truly love him. However, 281 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,760 Speaker 2: I have three children with him, and I'm as you know, 282 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 2: you wouldn't change that for anything in the world. Yea, 283 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 2: but he has not been in their lives at all. 284 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 2: He has not been present at all. He hasn't seen 285 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 2: them since twenty fourteen. Heartbreaking, yes, but thank god they 286 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 2: had Jay. I mean, Jay stepped in, raised them, you know, 287 00:16:53,160 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 2: took care of them. So I was a lot more 288 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 2: worried about the things you're thinking about right now when 289 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 2: I was going through. 290 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: That divorce at the time. 291 00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 2: At the time, however, I was only in my early thirties, 292 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 2: so I knew that I would meet somebody, but it's 293 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 2: different at fifty. 294 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:15,800 Speaker 1: You worry about that. 295 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 2: So Jay and I were introduced by a marriage counselor Jake. 296 00:17:23,600 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 2: Is that not hilarious? So he and his wife were 297 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:32,879 Speaker 2: separated ex wife. Craig and I were going through marriage 298 00:17:32,880 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 2: counseling because I didn't believe in divorce. 299 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: I didn't. 300 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 2: I couldn't fathom it. My parents divorced when I was twelve. 301 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 2: It killed me. My dad was a wonderful dad, but 302 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 2: he was a bad divorce dad, you know what I mean. 303 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:52,879 Speaker 2: So I was always chasing after him and trying to 304 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 2: get his love, and so I developed a lot of 305 00:17:56,760 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 2: daddy issues. I know, that's such a common overused phrase. 306 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 2: I did now, And so Craig and I counseled with 307 00:18:05,680 --> 00:18:09,280 Speaker 2: this guy named Joe. He went down to Alabama and 308 00:18:09,520 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 2: counseled with Jay. So Joe calls me and he said, 309 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 2: I've never done this before because I've spent my life 310 00:18:16,480 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 2: trying to keep marriages together. But I don't think that 311 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:25,400 Speaker 2: you should stay with Craig because there's a lot of problems. 312 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 2: He said, And I have somebody that I want you 313 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 2: to meet. And I was like, no, no, no, no, 314 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 2: I'm never getting married again. 315 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,720 Speaker 1: Your marriage counselor set you up on. 316 00:18:35,359 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 2: Yes, what the heck isn't that funny? And so he said, listen, 317 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 2: when you're a divorce's final, you call me, we'll meet. 318 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 2: I'll tell you the person is. I'm not gonna tea you. 319 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 2: So we were My whole family were like, oh my god, 320 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 2: who could it be? And so then when I found 321 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 2: out it was Jay. Jay played football at Alabama. He 322 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 2: was a quarterback superstar down there, won the national championship 323 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 2: in ninety two. Then he played professional ball, and he said, 324 00:18:59,920 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 2: I think it more if nothing else, you guys would 325 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 2: be great friends. You've been through the same pace, say that, Yeah, 326 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:08,720 Speaker 2: you'd be good friends. 327 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:09,119 Speaker 1: Yeah. 328 00:19:09,880 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 2: So I was. I put the kids to bed one night, 329 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 2: I was doing the dishes. I went into my office 330 00:19:15,080 --> 00:19:17,400 Speaker 2: at home and I emailed Jay and I said, Hey, 331 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:22,960 Speaker 2: it's Sarah Evans. Joe told me about you. Went back 332 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 2: to the kitchen. Yeah, and I heard the ding on 333 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 2: my computer and I'm like, he's been sitting here waiting 334 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 2: for me to email him, because he responded immediately, and 335 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,879 Speaker 2: so we just started talking NonStop. We had a very 336 00:19:35,920 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 2: fast courtship. Our divorces were final one day apart. We 337 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 2: have so much in common. He has four children, So 338 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 2: I ended up moving to Mountain Brook, Alabama, and we 339 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 2: raised our family to the kids. WHOA, you beat me? 340 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:58,240 Speaker 2: I did, but I didn't raise his children. They were 341 00:19:58,280 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 2: with us in the normal uh parenting plan like every 342 00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 2: other weekend under that kind of stuff. My kids were 343 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,560 Speaker 2: with us all the time because their dad, you know, 344 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 2: just high tailed it out of town and went to Oregon, 345 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 2: where he's from. And yeah, so it's it's none of 346 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,360 Speaker 2: it's easy. It's hard. Marriage is very hard, and you've 347 00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 2: got to work at it, and you know, you have 348 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:27,680 Speaker 2: to have two very healthy people. Jane and I've learned 349 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 2: a lot about ourselves and about our marriage and about 350 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:36,400 Speaker 2: what is and is not appropriate and acceptable and and 351 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 2: We're going. 352 00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: Forward, understood. Sarah and Jay, you guys were apart for 353 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,440 Speaker 1: a while, though, what happened there? 354 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,959 Speaker 2: Did you cheat on me while we were so kid? 355 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:54,880 Speaker 1: I'm gidding, Sorry Jay, she found out. 356 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 2: I found my bad. I think we were both miserable. 357 00:20:59,880 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 2: I was miserable. Now. We were going through some very 358 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 2: tough issues, and you know, I spoke about it on 359 00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:20,760 Speaker 2: my podcasts and kind of I was just kind of 360 00:21:20,800 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 2: going to be like, I'm gonna I'm gonna talk about 361 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,879 Speaker 2: it and then I'm going to try to let it 362 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 2: go because it's it's quite embarrassing to our children, honestly 363 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:30,360 Speaker 2: to hear about it. 364 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: My kids are the same, I want to hear this. 365 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. So now I just I know that that we've 366 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 2: both changed so much and our marriage is incredibly healthy. Now. 367 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 2: We communicate now, even today I was like, is something wrong? 368 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:50,520 Speaker 2: Is done it? 369 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 1: Da? 370 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 2: We communicate so well, where before that might have turned 371 00:21:55,040 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 2: into a big fight, but today it was just an 372 00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:04,399 Speaker 2: normal conversation between two married people. But during the separation, 373 00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 2: I was drinking all the time, just miserable because I 374 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:17,719 Speaker 2: missed my husband. I wanted him back. But now I 375 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 2: say that I was not that way with my first 376 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 2: marriage at all. 377 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: Ever. Ever, it says something. 378 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 3: Literally, in the last two weeks, you've each been the 379 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 3: top story on People magazine. 380 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 2: Is that helpful? 381 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 3: Hurtful, harder? What is that for both of you? 382 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 2: I would say for me, it's very, very hard because, 383 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 2: for instance, my four step children fucking hate it. I 384 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 2: mean they hate it because it's embarrassing. Yeah, and when 385 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 2: you're famous, and as you know, when you're famous but 386 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 2: you've got family members that aren't, well, they're like, I 387 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 2: didn't choose to be famous. You're the famous ones, So 388 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 2: don't talk about me. You don't talk about my dad, 389 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,240 Speaker 2: don't talk about you know. 390 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:11,119 Speaker 1: My fifteen year old says that exact thing all the time. 391 00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:16,639 Speaker 1: I didn't choose this, right, Like, you're born into it. 392 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:21,080 Speaker 1: How we make our money right? Literally? Like sorry, yeah? 393 00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,879 Speaker 2: But you know, with me, I can talk to my 394 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 2: three about it a lot easier because they've been with 395 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:33,359 Speaker 2: me every single day of their lives. When you're a stepmom, 396 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:38,719 Speaker 2: it's a it's a different thing because you're trying very 397 00:23:38,760 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 2: hard to you know, I'm not trying to be your mom, 398 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 2: but I love you as though you were mine, but 399 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 2: I'm not. You know, it's it's a man. It's a 400 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 2: tight rope to walk. Yeah, it really is. 401 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: Step parents. 402 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's hardly Yeah, that's right. 403 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: My soon to be X has a girlfriend, a living 404 00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:07,679 Speaker 1: girlfriend who has met the kids, and I like her. 405 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 1: Oh good, They actually really like her. She's supportive of him. 406 00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: They keep each other accountable, they're sober, and yeah, it's 407 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: a different. 408 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 2: That will be very very very good for your children 409 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 2: if you and she get along, agreed. 410 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I hope the partner I end up being 411 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,119 Speaker 1: with is the same person for my kids, right and 412 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:36,639 Speaker 1: going forward? 413 00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,640 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, I will pray that for you. 414 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:40,119 Speaker 1: Thank you. 415 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, for step children who I love. It's making things 416 00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:48,240 Speaker 2: harder between us and I wanted to go the opposite way, 417 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 2: but then at the same time, truth, it's the truth 418 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 2: when it's out in the public. 419 00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 1: You know. 420 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,439 Speaker 2: It was very hard to to decide whether or not 421 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 2: to talk about it. And I asked Jay, for instance, 422 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 2: the song Pride, I said, if you want me to, 423 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,800 Speaker 2: I'll make that third person she he you know, instead 424 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 2: of and he was like, absolutely not. This is your 425 00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 2: song that you wrote. This is your story to tell, 426 00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 2: even though it involves me in all seven of our children. 427 00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 2: But for healing, for our marriage. We've got to be honest. Yeah, 428 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 2: otherwise we're just going to go back into the same cycle, 429 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:45,359 Speaker 2: cycle and dysfunctional patterns. So, you know, I was very 430 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 2: proud of him and grateful to him for saying, no, 431 00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:51,440 Speaker 2: you sing that song exactly as you wrote it, don't 432 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 2: change it. And then he also you know, gave me 433 00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,080 Speaker 2: permission to speak about it on the first episode of 434 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 2: my podcast. I didn't go in the detail, but it 435 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 2: was clear enough. And now I just you know, I 436 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 2: want to stop embarrassing our kids and and just move 437 00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:18,479 Speaker 2: forward with life, and I want them to know that 438 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 2: everything's fine, that they're safe, we're safe, and we're all good. Now, 439 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 2: that's not always the case. It doesn't always happen that way. 440 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 1: In your great relevant I mean, you're an amazing, iconic performer, 441 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 1: but you're still relevant in the press, and they're always 442 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:51,000 Speaker 1: going to talk about you. They want fascination. So that's 443 00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:56,200 Speaker 1: something that's just going to keep coming up, right, It's hard. Yeah, 444 00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: how do you manage that? 445 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,879 Speaker 2: I think, you know, my hop in prayers of the 446 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,480 Speaker 2: further away we get from our separation and from all 447 00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 2: of that, that it'll just become old news. You know, 448 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,640 Speaker 2: the news cycle is so fast, and that's my hope 449 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 2: and prayer. And then the more that people see that 450 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:17,560 Speaker 2: we're together and that we're in love. And you know, 451 00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 2: Jay and I have a lot of things that we've 452 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:28,439 Speaker 2: opened up about in therapy that are not excuses for 453 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 2: anything but reasons. And that's why I say it's helped 454 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,480 Speaker 2: us so much, and we'll be in therapy for the 455 00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 2: rest of our lives because you begin to understand each 456 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 2: other a lot better, like I never oh, I never 457 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 2: knew you felt that. 458 00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: Wait, can you give me the number of your therapists 459 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:50,440 Speaker 1: because I'm hopeful they'll set me up with someone that 460 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 1: I am and I just want to meet somebody I 461 00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:57,439 Speaker 1: will get. 462 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 2: Sorry you're you don't have to worry about that. You 463 00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 2: don't have to worry about it. 464 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: Fucking worry about. 465 00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,000 Speaker 2: Don't I know you're worried about it. 466 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 1: I really do. 467 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 2: With five kids, I really understand like a safe space, 468 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 2: that's all I understand. I really do. But trust me, 469 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,879 Speaker 2: you are not going to be alone you you're too beautiful, 470 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:27,920 Speaker 2: you're too funny, you're too You're just open and you're 471 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,760 Speaker 2: like me and a lot and we're both very open 472 00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,480 Speaker 2: and but I get it not meat before. I don't know. 473 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 2: I don't know. I've always liked to you, I've always 474 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 2: followed you. I've always been interested in you. 475 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, are Sarah and j two point oh better than 476 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 3: version one? 477 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 2: For sure? Sarah and Jay marriage two point oh is 478 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 2: probably I mean it's night and day from marriage on. 479 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:00,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 480 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 2: No, no, no, And we named it that, yeah, marriage 481 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:09,120 Speaker 2: two point oh yeah, just because no, No, I just 482 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 2: get emotional. But Jay is a great man who made 483 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:21,040 Speaker 2: some bad choices. Everybody deserves forgiveness and love. He certainly does. 484 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,680 Speaker 2: He's done a lot for me, and he's done so 485 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 2: much for my children, and he's a great father to 486 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 2: his children. And so I just couldn't be that person. 487 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 2: That's just like, I'm not gonna try. 488 00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,880 Speaker 1: And I know so many fans were like why right, 489 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: Like it's over right. 490 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,560 Speaker 2: People don't understand, and it's a tough it's a very 491 00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,200 Speaker 2: tough topic because. 492 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,400 Speaker 1: It is you don't been there. 493 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a tough topic. 494 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 1: They're in a marriage. Sorry, mine didn't work out. Yours 495 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: worked out, but I had that that happened where my husband, 496 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: well it was different. Mine was infidelity. And then you know, 497 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:10,719 Speaker 1: people are like why are you staying? And I'm like, 498 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 1: because I'm choosing to try to work on this. 499 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,280 Speaker 2: Right, and we've got five children, and yeah that I 500 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,400 Speaker 2: mean so yeah, that was a big part of it. 501 00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 2: But it's it's funny because like sometimes Jay, just like 502 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 2: any marriage will just piss me off or you know, 503 00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 2: drive me crazy. I'm sure I drive him crazy too, 504 00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 2: but we love each other and it's it's hard to explain, 505 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,960 Speaker 2: you know, but I'm not sitting here I have. 506 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: To explain because it's no one's fucking business. 507 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:48,320 Speaker 2: You're right, you're right, literally, you're right. 508 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,680 Speaker 1: And that's what it comes down to. Is they all 509 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 1: weigh in on our lives. Sorry interpt. No, no, no, no, they 510 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 1: all weigh in our lives. And at the end of 511 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: the day, it's no one's fucking business between it's between. 512 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,160 Speaker 2: The two of you, right, And people think they. 513 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: Know and that sucks, yeah, because you take so much 514 00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,959 Speaker 1: of that on because you're a public figure and you 515 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: take it on, you take it on and it influences 516 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,360 Speaker 1: how you feel about your partner, and it's not fair. 517 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 2: That's right, that's perfectly said. That's right. It's very very difficult, 518 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:24,160 Speaker 2: and I'm not on some high horse sitting here saying, 519 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:27,480 Speaker 2: you know, but we worked it out and we stay 520 00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 2: together because I haven't. I have divorced, and I feel 521 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 2: and I know people are gonna maybe maybe balk at 522 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:41,400 Speaker 2: this or whatever, but my reasons for divorcing my first 523 00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 2: husband to me were much more They were much more right, 524 00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 2: I mean than if I were to divorce day. I mean, 525 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,080 Speaker 2: those those were much more valid. That's the word. Yeah. 526 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:00,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think in your music you never sounded. 527 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 2: Better or thank you you do. 528 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,440 Speaker 3: Your songs sound like the old Sarah Evans, if that 529 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 3: makes sense. 530 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:11,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's more about I'm competitive with myself and I'm 531 00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,240 Speaker 2: a perfectionist, so I just want to I'm a better 532 00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 2: singer now than I was in my twenties. I just 533 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 2: want to get better and better and better all the time. 534 00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,680 Speaker 2: When I get to the point where I feel like 535 00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:26,720 Speaker 2: I'm not singing great, that I'm quitting because I will 536 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 2: not go out like we heard Sarah Evans tonight, No, 537 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 2: that is not worth it to me. 538 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,719 Speaker 1: You're a phenomenal singer. 539 00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 2: Thank you. 540 00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,479 Speaker 1: Oh my god, you funny. Shit, you're funny. 541 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 2: So are you listen all what? 542 00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 1: It's kind of cute. 543 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 2: I like it. I like it maybe. 544 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: I'll keep it. 545 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:56,080 Speaker 3: Do you think in your fifties, for both of you, 546 00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 3: you are more willing to talk like is that because 547 00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,320 Speaker 3: of the age we're all at now, where it's like, 548 00:33:02,440 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 3: you know what, we can just be authentic? 549 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,240 Speaker 2: I think, I mean, I I feel like honesty is 550 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 2: the best policy always. 551 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: Well, otherwise they create your narrative. 552 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 2: You're right, Yeah, you're so right, and you don't gotta 553 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 2: you know, I'm never gonna sit here and tell anybody 554 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 2: the minute details of mine and Jay's issues. 555 00:33:28,040 --> 00:33:30,920 Speaker 1: Tell me after, yeah, okay, yea perfect tell you after. 556 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 2: In fact, I texted you before the podcast and told 557 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 2: you everything. But I'm never going to do that. 558 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: But honestly, is brushing so hard? 559 00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 2: Honesty is the best policy within reason, and don't don't don't, yeah, 560 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 2: don't humiliate your children. And but I do feel that 561 00:33:56,760 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 2: in the fifties, I feel like there's so many younger 562 00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:07,800 Speaker 2: women that need our advice and need us to be honest, 563 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 2: because how else are we gonna help them or stop 564 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 2: them from getting into a situation that we've been in 565 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 2: that we weren't happy with. 566 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:25,280 Speaker 1: Mama. I'm just doing to heal myself, like I props 567 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: to the younger generation. But I'm just like, woof, I 568 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:33,799 Speaker 1: can't take it anymore. I couldn't take it. Everyone was 569 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:38,800 Speaker 1: creating so much drama and the wrong drama. And I, 570 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,600 Speaker 1: you know, I've been schooled in the thought, you know, 571 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 1: from the nineties, like you don't comment, you don't do that. 572 00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 1: I was finally like, I can't. Yeah, I have to 573 00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:53,640 Speaker 1: tell my story because it's my truth, sooner than later. 574 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 1: I don't want to do it later, like, I just 575 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: want to get it out there. 576 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 2: And what you said is correct. They'll create it if 577 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,040 Speaker 2: you don't tell it, they will. You're not going to 578 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,920 Speaker 2: be alone. I just know that. 579 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,440 Speaker 1: Okay, call your marriage counsel, like after this, okay, okay, 580 00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 1: I'm not kidding. 581 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,680 Speaker 2: Is it a boy or girl? Well, the one we're 582 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,719 Speaker 2: using now is not the one that set us. 583 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,479 Speaker 1: Up as a different I want the one to set 584 00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:20,839 Speaker 1: you up. 585 00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:24,320 Speaker 2: I'll call him and I'll be like, who has divorced 586 00:35:24,360 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 2: recently and who would like to date Tory spelling. Oh 587 00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:29,480 Speaker 2: my god, that's what I'm gonna. 588 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:34,640 Speaker 1: Do, Sarah as because I don't want to be alone. 589 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:39,319 Speaker 1: You are lonely, by the way, I'm not. Everyone's like, oh, 590 00:35:39,360 --> 00:35:42,359 Speaker 1: you're just so scared of being alone, Like, no, I'm 591 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: never alone. I have five kids, right, I'm never alone. 592 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 1: It's not that I just want to partner. I want 593 00:35:50,640 --> 00:35:55,239 Speaker 1: absolutely like someone that gets you want a person, you 594 00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 1: need a physical thing. I want someone that gets my 595 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,040 Speaker 1: brain because my brain it's pretty big. 596 00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, no one. 597 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:06,319 Speaker 1: Has ever seen it. And I swear I'm like. 598 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:14,319 Speaker 2: Cool, why don't you go on that famous person dating site? Oh? Riah, 599 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:18,640 Speaker 2: I don't know. I never. 600 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 1: Ry. So it's wild because you know, I've been married 601 00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:26,320 Speaker 1: eighteen years. 602 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,520 Speaker 2: There were no dating apps, right, So. 603 00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:34,080 Speaker 1: I would go through with my friends and then I'd 604 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,680 Speaker 1: be like, that's funny. And now I'm like, oh, is. 605 00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 2: That going to be me? 606 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 1: And my kids are mortified. They hear that because I 607 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,000 Speaker 1: tell everything to my kids and they're like, yeah, you 608 00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:51,239 Speaker 1: can't be on a dating app. And I'm like, how 609 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,319 Speaker 1: am I going to meet someone? And then I go, 610 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:56,799 Speaker 1: I'm going to be the old cat. I have one cat. 611 00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 2: I'm going to be the old cat lady. No, I'm 612 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,759 Speaker 2: just I swear I have a I have a good 613 00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,400 Speaker 2: intuition about things. And you're not going to be alone. 614 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 2: You're not going to be alone for very much longer. 615 00:37:10,880 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: Really, Yeah, wait, what's his name and what's his sign? 616 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,319 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know signs, but I'm an Aquarius. I'm 617 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:22,840 Speaker 2: just gonna go ahead and say Aquarius and February what 618 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:23,840 Speaker 2: February fifth? 619 00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 1: Okay? 620 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, but how old is your youngest child? 621 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:27,680 Speaker 1: Seven? 622 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,360 Speaker 2: Okay, you need to wait a little bit. I can't 623 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,640 Speaker 2: just a little bit. Oh, just a little bit. 624 00:37:32,680 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 1: See, you've been through this in between sorry j ear muffs, 625 00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:40,319 Speaker 1: Like in between things when people are like, just work 626 00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,040 Speaker 1: on yourself, just be alone. 627 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:47,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, go fuck yourself. It's hard because you want to 628 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:49,800 Speaker 2: say you be alone, bitch. 629 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:55,080 Speaker 1: I hate when people say that. Yeah, it's terrible. 630 00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:56,600 Speaker 2: You just need and. 631 00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 1: Like, okay, do you sear all the people they're married 632 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,640 Speaker 1: and happy and I'm like in relationships. Yeah, Like, don't 633 00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:08,640 Speaker 1: tell me to be alone and get to know yourself. 634 00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: I don't fucking want to get to know myself. 635 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,120 Speaker 2: Well, you do know yourself. I know myself exactly. Yeah. 636 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 2: And you're I want to say too, you're a tremendous mother. 637 00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: Since I was fifteen, so you know what, I know myself. 638 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 2: You're a tremendous I want to make sure you hear 639 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,759 Speaker 2: me say that you are a. 640 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:29,880 Speaker 1: Sarah Evans. 641 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 2: You are are you? Are you bad at taking compliments? 642 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:36,720 Speaker 1: Really bad? You're a superstar? Are you good at taking compliments? Yeah? 643 00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:37,760 Speaker 2: I like them? 644 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:38,600 Speaker 1: Really? 645 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,360 Speaker 2: Uh huh wait, I like taking it? 646 00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,160 Speaker 1: Well, give me wisdom, I mean, how do you do it? 647 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,839 Speaker 2: Probably because I didn't get a lot of compliments growing up. 648 00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 2: And I don't mean that bad in any way, shape 649 00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:56,080 Speaker 2: or form about my mom or my dad. But I'm 650 00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:59,880 Speaker 2: from the Midwest where farmers. We're very stoic, non emotional, 651 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:04,200 Speaker 2: and so I don't know if the word is compliments, 652 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:09,839 Speaker 2: but I do love validation. I crave validation. Yeah, I 653 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:10,239 Speaker 2: get that. 654 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,759 Speaker 1: So on my bucket list, which I was married for 655 00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 1: eighteen years, never thought it would happen, was like, I 656 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,359 Speaker 1: never dated a musician? 657 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:25,200 Speaker 2: Do that? Who? What about Kenny Chesney? A single? 658 00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,440 Speaker 1: Oh Kenny Chestney? Really? 659 00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,759 Speaker 2: Well? Is he still cute? He's cute. Kenny and I 660 00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 2: are friends and. 661 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:37,200 Speaker 1: I know he resorts to you reason. Yeah, job. I 662 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:38,799 Speaker 1: was going to bring it up later. 663 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 2: But am I supposed to do that my podcast? Yeah, 664 00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:45,640 Speaker 2: I'm going to think of somebody. I'm going to think 665 00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 2: of somebody for you, Okay, I'm going to find a musician. 666 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:57,840 Speaker 2: That's my dream. Musicians are the great people. Because she's you, well, 667 00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:02,880 Speaker 2: Kenny Chestney will we'll cheat on you most likely, but 668 00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 2: he's ready fook us up immediately. 669 00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 1: I'm all in. I'm just kidding, talking you tonight to 670 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:12,800 Speaker 1: get his fucking DM. 671 00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 2: I'm kidding, Kenny. I love you. This has been incredible. 672 00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 2: Thank you for having me. 673 00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:23,960 Speaker 1: Really, Oh my god, I love you.