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Speaker 1: Starting lead on ski startling though.
Speaker 2: Man, yo yo, your fans interesting, man, they've been threatening
Speaker 2: us about this. Man, your fans don't play man. How
Speaker 2: did you get this type of loyalty from your fan base?
Speaker 3: I say, just stand down. You know, I think I
Speaker 3: earned my fans one, one by one. That's the way
Speaker 3: I feel about it. Yeah, after trunk hand in the hands,
Speaker 3: even on the internet, you know, I take pride and
Speaker 3: on what you see is what you get. And I
Speaker 3: think people you know, honored that you give and give respect.
Speaker 3: So I feel like my audience I look at them
Speaker 3: more as an audience or almost like a family or
Speaker 3: a bond I had with the people that take to
Speaker 3: my music and my brand.
Speaker 2: So you feel like you give them as much as
Speaker 2: they give you too, like you pour into them. You
Speaker 2: give them music, all the time. You give them shows,
Speaker 2: you get them lifestyle, you give them merse, you give
Speaker 2: them game like you feel you pour into your fans
Speaker 2: like they're pour into you too.
Speaker 3: I try my best to you know. It's a lot
Speaker 3: of my music is like almost like move music, I guess,
Speaker 3: so sometimes you might not have it, you know, the
Speaker 3: way they bring it to me. A lot of times
Speaker 3: the people that that type of my music lift me
Speaker 3: up and give me, give me together, and give me
Speaker 3: a pocket. But I try to reciprocate, try to give
Speaker 3: it back to them as best I can.
Speaker 2: A lot of a lot of the a lot of
Speaker 2: the world, at least Atlanta, like the streets probably first
Speaker 2: heard you, even though you were doing music before that,
Speaker 2: on that Great Goose record with GIZI and Got It.
Speaker 1: Yeah, on that mixtape. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Did you like, did you envision at that time that
Speaker 2: that was going to plan and seed to help you
Speaker 2: get to where you are now?
Speaker 3: Nah? Hell nah, you was just rapp It was it
Speaker 3: was just making music. I was like nineteen all the time,
Speaker 3: and uh that shit was like an inside joke from
Speaker 3: my neighborhood, and uh it just kind of caught fire
Speaker 3: around my way. I think Coach K. Coach K and
Speaker 3: Jazzy Fad was in the club in Nashville and heard
Speaker 3: it or heard it. May have been that sign been
Speaker 3: something else they heard it brought it back this way.
Speaker 3: I guess Jesus heard it the same time. Yo, gut.
Speaker 3: It was reaching out from some of my other music
Speaker 3: I was putting up. It just kind of like the
Speaker 3: perfect storm. Like at that time we had similar followings,
Speaker 3: you know, on our home bases where we were from,
Speaker 3: and uh, you know, they all reached out in a
Speaker 3: cool way passing through Nashville whatever, and like did another
Speaker 3: version remix of the record, which ended up being the
Speaker 3: one we serviced the radio and ended up on tracking
Speaker 3: like yeah, you know, classic moment. But no, I didn't
Speaker 3: I be lying to say money then or no the
Speaker 3: deal cash money probably came in the months six months,
Speaker 3: I think January, I think five is when I did
Speaker 3: the cash Money universal Alltown Dud. It was through y'all
Speaker 3: guy in his company. But uh, but no, I ain't.
Speaker 3: I didn't envision it. Being that it just happened, was
Speaker 3: like a perfect storm.
Speaker 4: Then I would then I would be your passion music.
Speaker 3: Now I was in the basketball before that, I was
Speaker 3: probably high school times, but just reality, like, you know,
Speaker 3: the odds against you with that, that's one in a
Speaker 3: million shots. So sometime around the same time, I wanted
Speaker 3: to do the music, and it was a hobby, it
Speaker 3: was something to do, and enough people started telling me
Speaker 3: I was good at it, I started to believe it.
Speaker 3: And by the time I went to college, it was
Speaker 3: like being around. I went to TSU, I went to HBCU,
Speaker 3: been around that many Black people are the same, you know,
Speaker 3: age and culture from different places. It kind of you know,
Speaker 3: it was like a launching pad for it, but now
Speaker 3: it was it was sports, you know, just trying to
Speaker 3: get out the hood. Like this is what we looked
Speaker 3: at as a ticket for it. But it went from
Speaker 3: a hobby to a passion to a hustle. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: you know, once it started making sense and once it
Speaker 3: become lucrative, it was like, I'd rather do this than
Speaker 3: than what the other options was.
Speaker 2: You feel like you're the biggest from Nashville, Like that's
Speaker 2: the statement, the biggest.
Speaker 3: It ain't for me to say like, uh, good right,
Speaker 3: I mean, it ain't for me to say now just
Speaker 3: now this this is my truth though, but it's a
Speaker 3: bunch of reasons why I say that, Like one, just one,
Speaker 3: I am, like, I'm you know, in the process of
Speaker 3: killing all my ego. So I say, it's not for
Speaker 3: me to say because if that's what I subscribe to
Speaker 3: and that's what's important to me, I can lose myself.
Speaker 3: And like, as far as metrics go, I ain't the
Speaker 3: most accomplished. I mean, it's certain things I could problem
Speaker 3: myself up on, But what do it really mean? You
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. I think Buck went like double
Speaker 3: platinum or something like that. If I'm not mistaken of
Speaker 3: Gun the group four three or four times platinum. You know,
Speaker 3: Jelly Rolls a rapper my partland one of the big arguments,
Speaker 3: one of the biggest superstars in the world right now
Speaker 3: in another line of music. You know, he come from
Speaker 3: hip hopably come from a rap lane, and so like,
Speaker 3: I don't just see the value in comparing it. Like
Speaker 3: one of the things I'm probably proud of is staying power,
Speaker 3: you know, sustainability. Y'all was just talking about me getting
Speaker 3: a deal in two thousand and five, and I'm you know,
Speaker 3: I'm still here, still later. Yeah, there's still people that
Speaker 3: want to hear me and see me. So it ain't.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's about being the biggest. I think
Speaker 3: it's about like what what kind of value you can retain, longevity,
Speaker 3: how you go to the farther It is the file.
Speaker 2: But but but one day I gotta salute you on
Speaker 2: and that's how cool. I receive that energy. But you
Speaker 2: doing this shit and dependent the real independently for sure,
Speaker 2: Like when you say grind hard, like I hear about it.
Speaker 1: Like y'all go.
Speaker 2: Shout shots, a dun trip to y'all go to a city,
Speaker 2: pack out of show.
Speaker 1: Ain't no radio, ain't no none of that. It's just
Speaker 1: people know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, Yeah, ain't. I ain't took a record
Speaker 3: the radio in fourteen years, probably twenty teen, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean. Not that it's the right I don't
Speaker 3: think it's the right or wrong way, you know, it's
Speaker 3: however you get to, you know, respect your don john
Speaker 3: my bood. But like being signed, I had people like
Speaker 3: trying to guide me in a certain direction. We need
Speaker 3: this kind of record, we need a single, we need
Speaker 3: to hit yeah, you know, six words or list in
Speaker 3: your chorse this and then I'm like, as an artist,
Speaker 3: that kind of watered down my craft. You know, I'm
Speaker 3: in there wracking my brain trying to do it, trying
Speaker 3: to make another great goose, trying to create a moment.
Speaker 4: When losing your people too at the same time losing myself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yourself, because I might just got something to say
Speaker 3: that somebody gonna feel fat. And as you see music change,
Speaker 3: well a lot of hits don't even got courses no more.
Speaker 3: You mentioned don Tripp he got in the game with
Speaker 3: the letter to my Son record didn't have a course,
Speaker 3: just pain ocean passion, you know what I'm saying. Going
Speaker 3: through a custodian situation with kid poured this ship out
Speaker 3: when it got a deal with the score, like he's
Speaker 3: still in the game, just off being him, you know.
Speaker 3: But it's like I started to see that then were
Speaker 3: running through the budget. You know, we get a record,
Speaker 3: it costs to work records, you know, so I soaked
Speaker 3: all that up. I'm like, yeah, I don't think that's
Speaker 3: the only way to do it, because I'm seeing a
Speaker 3: lot of things work. I'm like, well, I like I
Speaker 3: like that. I'm gonna try that for myself. Yeah, just
Speaker 3: you know, just work, trying to work my own plan.
Speaker 1: So do you.
Speaker 2: But have you ever desired like plaques and Grammys and like,
Speaker 2: have you ever desired that?
Speaker 1: Have you ever had that moment.
Speaker 2: Where you're like, man, maybe damn, maybe it would be
Speaker 2: nice to have a Grammy plaque or some of that
Speaker 2: other more mainstream ship.
Speaker 3: Man, that's funny. I got two plaques last week. It's
Speaker 3: from some stuff from yesteryear. But I just never physically
Speaker 3: had the plaque, just being independent, just you know, certain
Speaker 3: parts of it. I mean, the records registered in otherwise
Speaker 3: I got paid the coordling and that matter a little
Speaker 3: bit more. But I got a plaque from like Father,
Speaker 3: Like Son album, and I got a plaque from a
Speaker 3: Little Baby album Harder than ever. And it's a lot
Speaker 3: of other artists that I work with, and this is
Speaker 3: just my truth. A lot of times I lived through
Speaker 3: their successes in terms of the trophies of it, because
Speaker 3: I'm like, we all part of each other's story, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'd be so happy, Yeah, I'd be so
Speaker 3: happy to see other people come up. It's like, as
Speaker 3: long as I'm still in it, Like my trophy is
Speaker 3: the testimony of people that are reached because a lot
Speaker 3: of times, like I mean, for show, the plaques is metrics,
Speaker 3: this sold this, this streme is the numbers metric or whatever,
Speaker 3: but awards itself, it's politics and all it and not
Speaker 3: to mention like I don't. I took myself out of
Speaker 3: the mainstream, right you did, so, like I ain't. I
Speaker 3: definitely ain't in it for that.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: It's it's cool, you know, even now I'm doing some writing,
Speaker 3: I'm doing some other things behind the scenes, and some
Speaker 3: of that might end up, you know, with the level
Speaker 3: of achievement, and that's cool too, But I just ain't
Speaker 3: in it for like the recognition fact. Uh. Like it's
Speaker 3: just truthfully, I think it's cool for whoever it does
Speaker 3: matter or apply to. It just don't matter to me.
Speaker 5: You think you're gonna continue to do like be in
Speaker 5: the music business like throughout the rest of your life,
Speaker 5: like regardless.
Speaker 3: If I can get some of these other moves working,
Speaker 3: for sure, because that's that's what I'm like. I'm from Nashville.
Speaker 3: We got it's like an epicenter like music business, but
Speaker 3: it's outside the route and if I can figure out
Speaker 3: to get into some of them doors, some of them
Speaker 3: rooms there here, yeah, because it's just too much money,
Speaker 3: like yeah, development and exactly, like, because that's that's part
Speaker 3: of it. I feel like I got the market in mind.
Speaker 3: I just don't really so much have a desire to
Speaker 3: be at the forefront of it myself. It's like, if
Speaker 3: I can find something that this could work, yeah, we
Speaker 3: could do that, Like I could do that to something
Speaker 3: old and gray, you know from the cut.
Speaker 6: So my thing is with you, like when it comes
Speaker 6: when it comes to Nashville, when it comes to music,
Speaker 6: and when you put those two together, you are worldly
Speaker 6: considered a legend in that era, like from both of
Speaker 6: those worlds. So coming from that current legend status, is
Speaker 6: there anything that you feel like you could accomplish or
Speaker 6: that you haven't done that you want.
Speaker 4: To aspire to do?
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, I got I got my own like ideas.
Speaker 3: One of them is taking my music or physically going.
Speaker 1: Out the country with music international.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's one of the things I was. I
Speaker 3: felt like I was kind of on course to do
Speaker 3: it when we after we dropped Step Brothers three and
Speaker 3: then I fucking around got in some trouble and yeah,
Speaker 3: and then after that I had a child and between
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, life exactly, and so I kind of
Speaker 3: shifted my focus away from that being like just a
Speaker 3: direct goal. But that's they did something I want to
Speaker 3: do because because rap music got you know, ass a pill. Yeah,
Speaker 3: all the same way.
Speaker 6: You have legend status over here in the States. I'm
Speaker 6: sure that status will translate internationally overseas.
Speaker 3: Maybe, But regarding yes, will, I mean hopefully. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm just saying for it to take me there, like whatever,
Speaker 3: whatever the results of it, because because I've been able
Speaker 3: to do that, you know, me come from Easter Nashville.
Speaker 3: Like I can remember my first show in Florida, my
Speaker 3: first show in California, my first show, Like every time
Speaker 3: it was like surreal, whether it was for free, whether
Speaker 3: it's for the low, whether it was for the strength,
Speaker 3: whether I was throwing the show and pack it up,
Speaker 3: like just the fact that like this took me there.
Speaker 3: So look, that's what I'm like. I ain't being funded,
Speaker 3: I ain't being fake humble to say that. I'm just
Speaker 3: not telled to the results. You know, It's just something
Speaker 3: I took in and like enjoy the journey. A lot
Speaker 3: of times we'll get so fixated on the destination and things,
Speaker 3: or we can sell ourself of short just by expectations,
Speaker 3: like if I can get off across the water wrapping
Speaker 3: and it's like i't have to come out of my
Speaker 3: pocket to do it. That's the that's the when if
Speaker 3: I end up being able to stay there, come back
Speaker 3: all the time here y'all rather. But I know that,
Speaker 3: like the court, like following, like that ship was a
Speaker 3: brick by brick. That was a grind. So I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't never expect to just go somewhere and just
Speaker 3: be wild fire. You know. I used to stay down
Speaker 3: here and was just a guy in the crowd. I
Speaker 3: can remember one time going to get something to eat somewhere.
Speaker 3: It was like outside food truck type of thing. It's
Speaker 3: probably like twelve thirteen years ago, and I'm standing away
Speaker 3: on my food and five six people back to back
Speaker 3: run up on me, and this after I like, I
Speaker 3: got family here. I've been here since I was a kid,
Speaker 3: back and forth and it was just like damn. I
Speaker 3: couldn't say what happened. Yeah, it was like, damn, it's different,
Speaker 3: like they you know, I'm being recognized exactly. I wasn't
Speaker 3: here doing no rap shit. I was just here. I'm like, damn,
Speaker 3: I'm somebody in this face.
Speaker 5: But I've been you know, is it somebody ain't got
Speaker 5: a chance to work with it that You're like, Man,
Speaker 5: I know I make some hardship this, n.
Speaker 3: Oh nah, not really. I'm a fan of I'm a
Speaker 3: fan of like lyricism and more like the purest rap level.
Speaker 3: Outside of that, I feel like I work well. I
Speaker 3: missed with people that they got different styles, but I
Speaker 3: ain't never like seeking it out. Like I collaborated with
Speaker 3: a lot of people, a lot of like big dog
Speaker 3: namesake type of artists, but I never like pursued it. So,
Speaker 3: you know, as far as collaboration go out, I be
Speaker 3: wanting to work with like vocalists like R and B
Speaker 3: singers or somebody just bringing something different to the folks.
Speaker 3: Like I said in the space I've been in, I'm like,
Speaker 3: music is music, writing is right, and I can put
Speaker 3: the words together. I'm like, can come with some collet
Speaker 3: ship for you to sing kind of thing or you know,
Speaker 3: But no, I can't like pinpoint like specific producers. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean, whoever can bring somebody of them in a
Speaker 3: different sound like I can't you put me on the spot.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of. But you know, a lot
Speaker 3: of time as an ind like you said, it's to
Speaker 3: throw the name stacks out of there, it's a ticket
Speaker 3: to come with it. Like I'm you know, I'm a hustler.
Speaker 3: I'd almost rather work with the upstart. I'd rather like
Speaker 3: discover something, try to blow some somebody's situation up and
Speaker 3: be in on it. Then you know, just attaching to
Speaker 3: the to the namesake. But it's it's a lot of
Speaker 3: producers that I work with on it come up. I
Speaker 3: like to circle back with and see what we come
Speaker 3: up with. Now that we probably both found our sound.
Speaker 3: And I talked to de Rich the other day, and
Speaker 3: that's somebody that I watched sty down, you know, create
Speaker 3: a sound and he still like got a sound in
Speaker 3: a certain pocket and still making hits. And we always
Speaker 3: just kept that kind of relationship without making a whole
Speaker 3: lot music. Just we just leveled, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Signed type of people, and you know, I reached out
Speaker 3: like I want to work with them, want to get
Speaker 3: them in with some of my artists I got on
Speaker 3: my label. Now it's just like for sure you got
Speaker 3: the track record or hit Mica or whatever. But yeah,
Speaker 3: I just I just feel like what's for me is
Speaker 3: for me. I don't like to go a way out
Speaker 3: of my way for it.
Speaker 2: What there was going some stuff like going on in Nashville,
Speaker 2: just some I don't know if it created like division,
Speaker 2: but just some like a little back and forth. I
Speaker 2: think your name was in it, Buck and some other people.
Speaker 2: Is all that have y'all buried the hatchet and all
Speaker 2: that is? Everybody at least cordial, like we're just gonna
Speaker 2: let it be what it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that that specific situation. I just brought Buck
Speaker 3: out at a concert for sure. Yeah. Yeah, we passed
Speaker 3: were more than straight, like just grown man time, et cetera.
Speaker 3: I brought him out. I brought out a few artists
Speaker 3: from from Nashville. It was a It was a concert
Speaker 3: celebrating a twenty year run for me and band played.
Speaker 3: The producer band Player was on the bill as well.
Speaker 3: But I brought out a couple of artists on my label,
Speaker 3: Trapperman their Big Top. I brought out papers An artists
Speaker 3: I collaborated with since since the beginning of my career.
Speaker 3: And I brought out Quantit Cash and Buck and Quantity
Speaker 3: and Bug represented like I was trying to tell the story,
Speaker 3: like this is where it was when I got in
Speaker 3: the game quantit Cash was on fire from my side
Speaker 3: of town. Young Bug obviously came through did what he did.
Speaker 3: Me and Paper kind of in the same like generation,
Speaker 3: same class are doing it. And then the other two
Speaker 3: artists trapping Mandal Big Top, like is where I see
Speaker 3: it going as far as Nashville street music. Otherwise, just
Speaker 3: the culture that you know that I emerged from. But
Speaker 3: I brought out buck last. It was like it was
Speaker 3: really shocking, you know, considering our history back and forth.
Speaker 1: But we got think that was just ego stuff or
Speaker 1: was it.
Speaker 3: It was I think it was. It was ego. No
Speaker 3: got a problem, Nah, nah, it was. It was a
Speaker 3: territorial It was imaginary crowns. The same thing I was
Speaker 3: saying where I kept a detached from the whole ego
Speaker 3: part of it. It was, you know, we got a
Speaker 3: rich history of working since five o six and did
Speaker 3: a whole type together at the time, thirty four of
Speaker 3: the records, always like everything was everything. We've had ups
Speaker 3: and downs even prior to then, and it was you know,
Speaker 3: this this game it can turn into a pisson contest
Speaker 3: or it's like you know, somebody's up here, somebody's up here.
Speaker 3: You're passing each other on the way, the way it's
Speaker 3: people in your ears. You know, it just got weird
Speaker 3: on the ego level. But and when it came to
Speaker 3: a board, I charged it to both of us, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, As I can say I was
Speaker 3: ego tripping as well, but the way it played out,
Speaker 3: it was just I learned so much from it, and
Speaker 3: uh because it was like a setback, even like psychologically,
Speaker 3: because because it forced me to like check myself and
Speaker 3: take inventory on like perception, because a lot of times
Speaker 3: were moving off that we're moving off how we think
Speaker 3: people feel about us. You know what I'm saying, It's
Speaker 3: really more important how we view ourselves. You know, what
Speaker 3: you see in the mirror because that situation that you know,
Speaker 3: what what was like visible to people. You know, I
Speaker 3: don't I ain't got to relive and going to the
Speaker 3: detail of it, but I use a whole lot of
Speaker 3: restraint not to go somewhere else with it in the moment,
Speaker 3: you know what I It was in the high school
Speaker 3: or a basketball game of three fifty seven of my draws,
Speaker 3: and it's like I could have went somewhere else with it.
Speaker 3: And then you know, the media aftermath, it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: maybe when I said two days later, I overreact to,
Speaker 3: you know, a situation, get aggravator south the same people like, man,
Speaker 3: you're crashing out, you know. You like between the two
Speaker 3: situations like literally for that hours each other, I'm like,
Speaker 3: you can't win. You can't win with people. So I'm
Speaker 3: a gangster if I take it there, you know, use
Speaker 3: my better judgment. I see police at the end of
Speaker 3: the east side of the highway. I just need to
Speaker 3: get up out of here. I don't care about the
Speaker 3: optics of it. And then on the other end, it's
Speaker 3: like if I react how y'all say I should, then
Speaker 3: I'm stupid. Then y'all you know what I'm saying. And
Speaker 3: it's even if it's just environmental or how you just
Speaker 3: prone to react or something or whatever. Even even if
Speaker 3: that was a mistake, it's like people won't let you
Speaker 3: live it down either way. So it's just like I
Speaker 3: died it back and it was like, then, how do
Speaker 3: we even get to that point like you should? It's ego.
Speaker 3: It's ego because I'm like I got to a point
Speaker 3: where like, man, I ain't I ain't living for this
Speaker 3: rap persona. I ain't living for approval. I've been through
Speaker 3: a lot of shit to the point where I was
Speaker 3: even in that environment like that, moving like that, it's
Speaker 3: because I'm out ease. I'm in my old stompaing grounds,
Speaker 3: whereas then I don't been through a little bit of
Speaker 3: head things. So I'm gonna protect myself and I'm carrying
Speaker 3: myself a certain way. But I'm really here on community
Speaker 3: time and I'm like, so, but I don't know's it's
Speaker 3: a lot to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's good y'all got past that. Yeah, for
Speaker 2: as y'all considered, like be honest, like the ogs of it.
Speaker 2: So that's it's a precedent for.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, example a better example because also people
Speaker 3: feel like you gotta have problems. That's gotta be a
Speaker 3: part of your come up story. It's like you gotta
Speaker 3: it's gotta be me versus and that that's something we
Speaker 3: just pro that's just programmed a want in our psychis
Speaker 3: like in order to come up, I gotta put something
Speaker 3: else down in order to be big me has got
Speaker 3: to be little something else And that ain't that ain't true.
Speaker 3: We really better off as a collector, you know. So
Speaker 3: even with that show like even with niggas sending things
Speaker 3: to the side and figuring out a better way to
Speaker 3: you know, I'm saying, go about it is. It was
Speaker 3: about that was a conversation, really, I mean, we had conversation.
Speaker 3: Proud of there. But it's like, man, it ain't about you,
Speaker 3: it ain't about me. It's about it's about the people
Speaker 3: that's gonna come after us. To be able to see
Speaker 3: a better example and see that. It's like, it's a
Speaker 3: better way to go about this.
Speaker 4: Else what you were doing, Like what your upbring was
Speaker 4: like just straight up.
Speaker 3: I mean I was it was. It was me and
Speaker 3: my mama for the most part, single paying home. I'm
Speaker 3: you know from I ain't gonna say the absolute worst
Speaker 3: of it, but I'm you know from from around the way.
Speaker 3: And uh man, I grew up smart, I tested gifted,
Speaker 3: I skipped first grade. I came up in a in
Speaker 3: a rough area. But I thank my mom for like
Speaker 3: putting me in better schools and whatever like it gave
Speaker 3: me some some options. But I also came up seeing
Speaker 3: everything that it was to see. So by the time
Speaker 3: I was coming to age and could figure it out
Speaker 3: for myself, Like I said, when it wasn't sports. It
Speaker 3: was a lot of other stuff, you know what I'm saying, environmental,
Speaker 3: The neighborhood was right there, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: It was well, I'm gonna try to get me some
Speaker 3: money kind of thing. And uh, I say. I just
Speaker 3: had a diverse upbringing.
Speaker 1: How you get into the music.
Speaker 3: Just trial and error. Just I actually wanted to make beats,
Speaker 3: and there was some niggas around my way, some people
Speaker 3: I went to school with that was like more inter rapping.
Speaker 3: I wanted to try to make beats for him, but
Speaker 3: I would always write something to air beat I made
Speaker 3: and my beast was sorry as hell. That was really
Speaker 3: really the end of it. Like I hear other people
Speaker 3: beasts and just like, yeah, that shit better than mine.
Speaker 3: But every time I write something, they'll be like, man,
Speaker 3: get on the song with us, like your verse home
Speaker 3: what kind of thing. So that evolved and I left
Speaker 3: the beat making a loan and kind of got it,
Speaker 3: you know, fell in love with the writing. The wraps
Speaker 3: put you know, actually recording recording myself. That was probably
Speaker 3: around fifteen sixteen, But that was, like I said, it
Speaker 3: was a hobby. It was just something to do. By
Speaker 3: like eighteen, I was trying to put the put the
Speaker 3: music out and get heard. And the first thing we
Speaker 3: put out just from the neighborhood, between the neighborhood and
Speaker 3: the campus, you know, which was cross town from each other,
Speaker 3: it just kind of caught fire. Like I put out
Speaker 3: some music nine months later, I damn that had a deal.
Speaker 5: Oh so yeah, when you when you when you stop
Speaker 5: when you start rapping, and ship got seen about the
Speaker 5: music that you quitched everything else Cold Turkey just focused
Speaker 5: on music or what you one one foot.
Speaker 3: It was a man I was. I was in the
Speaker 3: I was in the thick of it, you know. My
Speaker 3: peers and my support system was that. Yeah, it was
Speaker 3: that so so I was. I was in it, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. Like, but but I was the rapper, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. So it's one of them
Speaker 3: things like you in it, whether you choose to be
Speaker 3: in the lie you know, all the way up to
Speaker 3: probably I got accomplished enough to be able to separate
Speaker 3: myself from it. But early on it was like like
Speaker 3: I said, when I dropped that first type and we
Speaker 3: was and we could get five and ten dollars a CD,
Speaker 3: and I'm going home with money in my pocket off
Speaker 3: the CDs. Right. It was an instant decision, like I
Speaker 3: rode a hustle this, yeah, but you know everything else
Speaker 3: is the same environment. It's it's like because it's gonna
Speaker 3: slow up and you know, but I had a partner
Speaker 3: that told me I can remember losing all my money
Speaker 3: shooting dice and uh and I'm like from something, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, just put me back in the
Speaker 3: game kind of thing, and he shot off on him,
Speaker 3: was like, man, you need to get some more CDs.
Speaker 3: It's like fuck that you need to get some cee
Speaker 3: these And I'm like, and I was because you know,
Speaker 3: I'm trying to get back instantly. But it was like
Speaker 3: the advice or the gravity of advice was so real
Speaker 3: because it's like I took so much more than what
Speaker 3: he actually said. It's almost like if I if I
Speaker 3: give you this and you go get jammed up, and
Speaker 3: it's gonna be on my conscious knowing that you got something,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, better than this, or you
Speaker 3: got something to come like almost like risk free, so
Speaker 3: to say, like to see that the music is a
Speaker 3: sweet lick if you if you work hard enough at it.
Speaker 3: And I took from that. I won't say it was
Speaker 3: like a cold Tarket thing at that time because it
Speaker 3: was one for then one for that, even even with
Speaker 3: being signed and all that, because it's like, man, that
Speaker 3: shit comes slow. They'll release a budget or they release
Speaker 3: half your budget on the front end, and you sitting
Speaker 3: until they sign off on it, and it's like yeah,
Speaker 3: so it's like that kind of dry up or I
Speaker 3: ain't just gonna sit around y'all and wait on. You
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, direction like I'm gonna go for
Speaker 3: what I know. I gotta go back home. I got
Speaker 3: to make something happen. But it was, like I said,
Speaker 3: them conversations are like, man, this is what you're supposed
Speaker 3: to be doing. Kept me, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: The geared with that, And.
Speaker 4: What's the first city that picked up on you heavy,
Speaker 4: like outside of your city?
Speaker 3: Memphis? Memphis, Tennessee. It's like two and a half hours
Speaker 3: from Nashville. And like I said, the first person to
Speaker 3: reach out was yo, got it. This is while I
Speaker 3: was still in college. But a lot of people from
Speaker 3: TSU are from Memphis. There's a lot of people, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. It's almost like half and half,
Speaker 3: and I think a lot of people from Memphis then
Speaker 3: went to school with me, was going back home with
Speaker 3: the music. And by the time I started working with
Speaker 3: got it in, like, oh, foh it just a lot
Speaker 3: of people think I'm from Memphis. You know, I've seen
Speaker 3: people I seen Memphis artists make the top five lists
Speaker 3: and have me in it, which is crazy to me,
Speaker 3: Like I ain't even from there, but a lot of
Speaker 3: people from other places, like I've been on the West Coast,
Speaker 3: like you from Memphis, and I'm like, that's just how
Speaker 3: much they embraced me. Now, you know, when I was
Speaker 3: working music and radio, I had songs going number one
Speaker 3: back to back on both stations like from you know,
Speaker 3: street level radio. Everything, Like they always took to my
Speaker 3: music and always treated me like like them. So yeah,
Speaker 3: Memphis was definitely the first, and still to this day,
Speaker 3: it's just like second home type of time.
Speaker 2: Anybody that follow you know, like your daughter is your world, man,
Speaker 2: tell us about how having the kid change you, and
Speaker 2: also talk a little bit about her, You being comfortable
Speaker 2: having like her in the studio with you, because we
Speaker 2: see them pictures too where you like have her in
Speaker 2: the studio with you, like while you're cooking up and
Speaker 2: all that.
Speaker 3: That part just happened recently as far as involving in
Speaker 3: the music making process. My daughter's five should be six
Speaker 3: in like a month, change everything from the same thing
Speaker 3: I was saying, the timeline of going through some stuff,
Speaker 3: catching a catching a fresh case. And then I had
Speaker 3: a child maybe six months later or the following year.
Speaker 3: It changed my own mind front, Like I already was
Speaker 3: kind of like detaching from the whole like rap game,
Speaker 3: rap persona thing, but it just made things white reller,
Speaker 3: like I ain't just living for me. I mean, it
Speaker 3: was like a different purpose, a different approach to what
Speaker 3: I'm doing. And on the same way y'all, like you
Speaker 3: got training or whatever, I'm just mold conscious or like
Speaker 3: what I put out the energy wise, the things I
Speaker 3: say and otherwise. Because I got a little person that's
Speaker 3: list hanging on her word and she know how to
Speaker 3: work our passed. She'll end up finding this terview for
Speaker 3: what is worth Like at the top of the year,
Speaker 3: you know, she was I was on like local TV
Speaker 3: on like a new station, but it was an interview
Speaker 3: platform and she was watching it.
Speaker 4: She was like, why she keep.
Speaker 3: Calling you that I'm like, I ain't thinking none of it.
Speaker 3: She's like, why she calling you Lido? And I had
Speaker 3: to kind of explain it to it. Then I'm like,
Speaker 3: it's my stage name, this and that, and you know,
Speaker 3: then she go up granted, like, you know, the name
Speaker 3: of my daddy's stage is start Leado. You know, I'm
Speaker 3: tripping off of it. But since then she just a
Speaker 3: little by little understands it a little bit better. I'm like,
Speaker 3: because I ain't gonna really had nothing from her. I
Speaker 3: told myself, I'm always keep it yeah, keep it real,
Speaker 3: be as honest.
Speaker 1: As I can.
Speaker 3: But I know it's things I said and done that's
Speaker 3: gonna be difficult to explain. So the best I can
Speaker 3: do moving forward is is make sure i'm you know,
Speaker 3: everything is like it's best I can on up and
Speaker 3: up to the point where I feel comfortable bringing into
Speaker 3: my work environment, you know, because it's different than it
Speaker 3: used to be looking you know, it's a different vibration
Speaker 3: and everything. And then she got her own dreams and whatnot.
Speaker 3: So she's she's featured on my last album. She's actually
Speaker 3: singing on there. You know, I got like set up
Speaker 3: in the crib. She wants to record more than I
Speaker 3: do half the time at the house. But yeah, just
Speaker 3: it just changes me completely. Man.
Speaker 1: So i'mnna throw this out there because I want to
Speaker 1: hear what he goes.
Speaker 2: This is gonna be good. It's your daughter birthday, covering up.
Speaker 2: You're supposed to take your daughter whatever.
Speaker 1: Right, But they call they.
Speaker 2: Got triple the bad what you usually get for a show.
Speaker 2: What's star lad though doing.
Speaker 3: Man, I'm gonna keep it real. We uh, we're gonna
Speaker 3: we're gonna do it triples big when we resevered what
Speaker 3: we got going on, Like that's just the right. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean that's.
Speaker 1: That's that's the nature of how you that's the nature
Speaker 1: of what it is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, other way, I ain't. I like to say I
Speaker 3: wouldn't cancel something. It's best I could. But you know,
Speaker 3: as far like even on the family and like as
Speaker 3: a as a provider, as a bread winner, like I
Speaker 3: can't see, uh, unless it's something we just absolutely can't
Speaker 3: work around. Like I can't see whoever. I can't see
Speaker 3: a mama not going to work handle a business like
Speaker 3: we have to move things around, like you know, we
Speaker 3: scheduled this today. I told you I left a soccer
Speaker 3: game and came here. You know what I'm saying straight
Speaker 3: from the soccer field. But it's like I gotta go
Speaker 3: to work and you know what I'm saying, my support
Speaker 3: system gotta understand and Brycete if anything, it's like, well
Speaker 3: let's pile up, y'all go to the city with me
Speaker 3: with the show. Is that.
Speaker 1: When I get one, you're gonna find.
Speaker 3: Yeah, turn it into that, like what you saying, triple,
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, it is what it is short
Speaker 3: of a you know, uh, I mean it's this gain
Speaker 3: don't wait for nobody. It's hard to like you take
Speaker 3: things for granted and think it's on your terms and
Speaker 3: your time. It'll leave you behind, like regretfully, like had
Speaker 3: to miss a funeral before because it was you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, We got contracts and otherwise, and it
Speaker 3: was like I had to make peace with my attachments
Speaker 3: to this person. Wouldn't you know what I'm saying. It
Speaker 3: wasn't defined by whether I was at this funeral service
Speaker 3: or not. And you know, and even the other family
Speaker 3: members was they understood it or whatever. It's like, you know,
Speaker 3: we got a business gotta get tended to, not to
Speaker 3: say it comes before any or everything. But it's just
Speaker 3: gonna make it make sense on the other end, because
Speaker 3: if I ain't earning my key, then you know, I
Speaker 3: can't really but halfway through my job as a father.
Speaker 3: That's real. But for sure, it's not that this music
Speaker 3: thing or whatever take precedence. It's just like I said,
Speaker 3: it's my hustle to it. Yeah it is. I gotta
Speaker 3: I gotta earn my key.
Speaker 2: Trip you fully comfortable though? What if she wanted to
Speaker 2: jump in all the way or like rap and be
Speaker 2: in this industry? You're fully comfortable with that it nah?
Speaker 3: But nah, But I will say I'm behind or support
Speaker 3: of whatever it is you want to do.
Speaker 4: So why you're not comfortable?
Speaker 3: Oh, because I'm not as much a fan of the
Speaker 3: culture of it or the you know, like Bank asked me,
Speaker 3: like I might be in the business of it for
Speaker 3: as long as I can. But comfortable, I say, nah,
Speaker 3: because it's not necessarily what I want for her, you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. Because it wasn't easy. It's not
Speaker 3: a you know, people can see they see the highs
Speaker 3: and kind of miss the loss other times or what
Speaker 3: it might have took to get there. But I ain't
Speaker 3: gonna like discourage her from it or try to keep
Speaker 3: her from doing it. That's what she want to do.
Speaker 5: I just basically saying, you don't want to see her
Speaker 5: to go through the stress of this shit, right and yeah, right, No,
Speaker 5: in the manipulation of trying to make you something that
Speaker 5: you're not, Like you said earlier, you get signed to life,
Speaker 5: she go to a major. Now it's certain things they
Speaker 5: want you to do outside of what you wanted to do,
Speaker 5: like make are three word whatever you just say earlier,
Speaker 5: you remember.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly what Yeah, just overall, I just like part
Speaker 3: of it for me is like, like I said, I've
Speaker 3: been at this professionalist since our eighteen like a little
Speaker 3: bit over twenty years, and it's consumed so much of
Speaker 3: my my life. You know what I'm saying, This became
Speaker 3: my life, like I wanted to live free and have
Speaker 3: my own experience. Is part of what I'm saying. Like,
Speaker 3: because whatever she's doing, I want her to be the
Speaker 3: best at it or whatever. So if it's like most recently,
Speaker 3: just she says she want to be a movie star,
Speaker 3: And I mean, I don't know as much about that game,
Speaker 3: but if that's what she want to do, then it's
Speaker 3: acting classes, it's theater camp or whatever. Like I'm gonna
Speaker 3: support it. I'm gonna embrace it, nurture and all that.
Speaker 3: But it's like, do you want your kid to be
Speaker 3: a child star because a lot of a lot of
Speaker 3: the child stars ended up with with weird, weird stories
Speaker 3: to come with it or you hear you know, Hollywood.
Speaker 7: And like, so the best I can do is I
Speaker 7: think you had to pack it up though, like you
Speaker 7: have to pack up your everything you're doing. Yeah, to
Speaker 7: pursue that, for sure, that's the only way I would
Speaker 7: do it like that, Like my daughter, she would dish
Speaker 7: the business.
Speaker 4: Noney, Yeah, I can't let you go out there with.
Speaker 3: No right.
Speaker 1: Her parents type shy.
Speaker 4: At least you get a you know, get your husband
Speaker 4: some something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. But but I mean, so that's just
Speaker 3: my truth for like, I don't I don't necessarily like
Speaker 3: I want that, for want of the choose this, But
Speaker 3: I ain't finna like like right now, she the sports,
Speaker 3: She into, I want her to play basketball because I
Speaker 3: like basketball. But I asked her, like you want to
Speaker 3: play basketball? She said no, that we ain't playing basketball.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. She want to play soccer,
Speaker 3: we're playing soccer. Whatever it is, I'm I'm with it,
Speaker 3: you know. I think I said on the song or whatever,
Speaker 3: you're with on with on the on the song that
Speaker 3: she featured, I'm talking to her pretty much on the song.
Speaker 2: That's the cycle though, because you you probably didn't end
Speaker 2: up doing what your people wanted you to do.
Speaker 3: Not necessary, right, So yeah, it wasn't. Yeah, my dream
Speaker 3: probably wasn't legitimate to everybody that that loved me or
Speaker 3: bought me up or whatever. But you know they ain't.
Speaker 3: They ain't ship on it necessarily either or discourage It
Speaker 3: was just kind of like but yeah, I remember that
Speaker 3: it being like rapping like until it's like, damn, are
Speaker 3: you rapping for real? Like when I got a deal
Speaker 3: or whatever. It was so but like you said, I
Speaker 3: just gotta be hands on with it. I can't just
Speaker 3: let let it wrong.
Speaker 5: While Hey, when was that moment for you? I always
Speaker 5: ask people that like that moment when you just start
Speaker 5: like feeling like yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh, one of them, I'm gonna pinpoint a couple of difference.
Speaker 3: One of them was, oh fo, I was at the
Speaker 3: Essence Festival, me and me and my partner drove straight
Speaker 3: from I think it was in Clarsville, Tennessee. This is
Speaker 3: about an hour the opposite way. It was at a
Speaker 3: you know, small club, hood club kind of thing. We
Speaker 3: left out of the club drove the New Orleans and
Speaker 3: to link over God in them. They make the introduction
Speaker 3: with you know baby and Slim Little One, et cetera.
Speaker 3: We go down to Essence and and I get there
Speaker 3: and it's like they kind of like know who I am,
Speaker 3: know the music, and you know, it's clear like they
Speaker 3: I'm like, damn, I'm in at this time, like in
Speaker 3: a room I never saw my you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: That's how we listened to, Like I'm like, damn, they
Speaker 3: really want me to be you know a part of this.
Speaker 3: I was kind of like a deer in head license.
Speaker 3: I was so young and just impressed by it. But
Speaker 3: it was a moment of I'm like, damn, I ain't
Speaker 3: think I ain't think i'd be here or I'm hearing
Speaker 3: I'm somebody so to say that was That was a moment,
Speaker 3: but it wasn't really like a defining moment.
Speaker 4: What do you do for your company to do that moment?
Speaker 3: Oh man?
Speaker 6: It was.
Speaker 3: It was unreal. I don't even know if it did
Speaker 3: as much for my confidence. It was just like it
Speaker 3: was like a pinch yourself kind of thing, like, damn,
Speaker 3: am I really here like this? You know, from seeing
Speaker 3: somebody on TV or listen to somebody at that time
Speaker 3: with five six years and you there and you're supposed
Speaker 3: to be there kind of thing. I don't know if
Speaker 3: it did as much for my confidence. It's just it
Speaker 3: was just unbelievable. But it was a moment that it
Speaker 3: was like, damn this, this shit really happened. Is I've
Speaker 3: already at taken it farther than I could have seen
Speaker 3: or imagined past that I made the Billboard charts were
Speaker 3: talking about plaques and otherwise, and it wasn't like I
Speaker 3: don't remember what I was fifty sixty something, but it
Speaker 3: was the top two hundred album charts. In twenty thirteen,
Speaker 3: when I dropped the album called Cold Turkey. It's funny
Speaker 3: that you asked me call Turkey thing. I dropped the
Speaker 3: album call Call Tark and it charted on Billboard and
Speaker 3: it was I was ready to put the music out
Speaker 3: for free, like on live mixtapes and all that, and
Speaker 3: my partner had linked me with Empire, and I just
Speaker 3: serviced it like an album, just trying some shit, and
Speaker 3: at that time, I was like, even though I've been
Speaker 3: in the game down in ten years, at the time,
Speaker 3: it was at that moment I'm like, damn, I'm again,
Speaker 3: I'm bigger than this. These are metrics, like I'm bigger
Speaker 3: than then. I saw myself with that, then I imagined,
Speaker 3: and obviously with that, it was also return on it.
Speaker 3: It was like from working in somebody else's system and
Speaker 3: trying to just fight to get you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: get back budget money or whatever and cut corners to
Speaker 3: like I did this myself and people taking to it.
Speaker 3: I'm like looking at reading them. I get an email
Speaker 3: from real board and I'm like, ain't nobody do this
Speaker 3: shit with me? You know? At that point it was
Speaker 3: like okay, yeah, I'm I'm here.
Speaker 4: Seeing that direct direct check.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then that was okay, yeah, that was probably
Speaker 3: the next quest. Yeah, and then I dropped the next
Speaker 3: like four or five projects. I dropped out here, Bill,
Speaker 3: because when I got that first check, I went right
Speaker 3: back to the studio. I'm from drop a note, one check,
Speaker 3: got email, you know, and I dropped Fried Turkey four
Speaker 3: months later. He Bill board drop step Brothers too, and
Speaker 3: it was like top top fifty something went on the
Speaker 3: tool with Kevin Gates and it was that moment when
Speaker 3: College Turkey, it was like, oh yeah, I don't like,
Speaker 3: I don't need nobody like I took meetings with labels
Speaker 3: after that, and I'm like, y'all really can't move me
Speaker 3: because the thing I'm doing, the things I would be
Speaker 3: going to y'all to try to make that and so like,
Speaker 3: to me, that's that certified me as like an independent.
Speaker 3: Like everybody can use help. I don't want to say
Speaker 3: it wrong, like I don't everyone needs help, but I
Speaker 3: don't require it in the sense of like y'all help.
Speaker 3: I don't necessarily need that kind of help. I don't
Speaker 3: need y'all money because I know I can make money
Speaker 3: out of this now. It's just by recycling my money
Speaker 3: or refining it, doing it better, building my team up.
Speaker 3: Let me instead of using you'll people, I'm gonna hire
Speaker 3: some of my people to do some of the same things.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna find some people that's passionate and to go
Speaker 3: harder for me. Then then I'll be number ten in line.
Speaker 3: If I sign up over there, I'm number one. Over here,
Speaker 3: but yeah, it was. It was that moment with called Turkey,
Speaker 3: and that just that pushed me forward probably the next
Speaker 3: five years.
Speaker 2: If you're talking to an artist like right now, like
Speaker 2: tell them what it really is to be an independent artist,
Speaker 2: Like what is really gonna take? Because I think some
Speaker 2: people don't. They like the screaming, but they don't really
Speaker 2: know what it's gonna take and what it really is.
Speaker 3: Man, the game changes so often and so fast now,
Speaker 3: I think what it really takes is being adaptive, being
Speaker 3: a quick learner, and and being willing to learn. Like
Speaker 3: independent is a word people throw around like that could
Speaker 3: just be a fancy Wells saying I ain't got to
Speaker 3: deal yet, unsigned and but truly being dependent means you
Speaker 3: gotta be soaking it up as you go and figuring
Speaker 3: out how to apply it in real time. Like because
Speaker 3: like I said, I don't think it's a cookie cut
Speaker 3: or blueprint or success. I don't think it's one way
Speaker 3: to do things. But you got to figure out what
Speaker 3: works for you in mash and really do that. Like
Speaker 3: independent and large part I mean spending your own money
Speaker 3: so a lot of times that's the hard part.
Speaker 1: And not being scared to spend it.
Speaker 3: That part that's that's a big part of it. But
Speaker 3: I think I think learning and growing with this because
Speaker 3: we got all the tools. Like man I met I
Speaker 3: met this cat that's in college now that was sharing
Speaker 3: his music with me, and I was like, where you
Speaker 3: you know here just moving were recording that. It was like, man,
Speaker 3: I did all this on my phone and I played
Speaker 3: it in the car, like sound like my music, like
Speaker 3: quality wise, like sonically, and I'm like, man, I ain't
Speaker 3: no excuses, you know what I'm saying. We have to
Speaker 3: pay so much to get our music to sound like that.
Speaker 3: I'm like, he got an iPhone and so it ain't
Speaker 3: no excuses, you know what I'm saying. We got We
Speaker 3: got the resource to get your camera, get your engineer
Speaker 3: or whatever, you know. Interface all these tools. They ain't
Speaker 3: necessarily cheap, but they're cheaper than they ever being. It's
Speaker 3: they more accessible because you can rent shit, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. So part of it is the game
Speaker 3: I would give somebody as an independent is man, you
Speaker 3: gotta try, you gotta push, Like I know so many
Speaker 3: people with talent, they think that's enough. It's to push
Speaker 3: more than the talent, you know, what I'm saying, that's
Speaker 3: that's anything else. It's hoopers that is cold as NBA players,
Speaker 3: but they ain't cultable, you know what I'm saying. Or
Speaker 3: they don't do the they don't do the leg they
Speaker 3: don't do the conditioning work. It's somebody going harder then you.
Speaker 3: You might be better than them, but they going harder.
Speaker 3: And so it's that's like I said, learn as you go,
Speaker 3: and don't be afraid to try ship and use all
Speaker 3: these resources that you got, Like I said, the earning
Speaker 3: fans one for one, it's like, all right, I ain't
Speaker 3: going to the radio because that costs five figures every
Speaker 3: time that we go to try to do that. But
Speaker 3: I got these platforms and these mediums where I can
Speaker 3: interact with people. Somebody feel like they're a part of
Speaker 3: what you got going on, they more likely to go
Speaker 3: share with somebody else. And that's how you grow audience,
Speaker 3: just as well as being on the station, you know,
Speaker 3: one time or ten times a day or however that
Speaker 3: might go.
Speaker 2: So I'm sure you take pride to and being independent
Speaker 2: and actually owning all your shit, and so what you
Speaker 2: think about the artists that go sell all of it?
Speaker 2: Would you would you sell all the rights to you.
Speaker 2: Would you sell it off for the right ticket? That's
Speaker 2: the key phrase, for the right ticket. The same way
Speaker 2: was like like would you take you know, triple for this?
Speaker 2: You know, that's just that's just being rational. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: just being rational because you can have attachment to something,
Speaker 2: but it's like what is it worth?
Speaker 3: What is it worth to you? As I say, everybody
Speaker 3: got a price, It ain't even that. It's just like
Speaker 3: what you're doing is for you to sell it though, yeah,
Speaker 3: on some level, so you're.
Speaker 4: Selling it at that man, man, I wish you mother
Speaker 4: will come to buy my cat.
Speaker 3: But but I think it's about knowing big. It's like
Speaker 3: knowing what you want to get out of because the
Speaker 3: only place I really disagree with that is selling yourself
Speaker 3: short or selling it off too soon, because it's like,
Speaker 3: like you said, if you build up the value in it,
Speaker 3: it's like anything else, you're building a value in it
Speaker 3: to wait till it don't got no value no more,
Speaker 3: or you know, you want to sell it at the
Speaker 3: highest point kind of thing or license or seller part
Speaker 3: of it. I think it's about making it makes sense.
Speaker 4: But iin't. I don't feel like i'm finishing it.
Speaker 5: So if I said that they finna give me the
Speaker 5: money to boot me up, I'm going to make my
Speaker 5: best ship.
Speaker 3: Now right right right, you know what I'm saying. That's
Speaker 3: what I see some people in the headlines and people
Speaker 3: like why he's selling. I'm like ship because he's still
Speaker 3: on fire.
Speaker 4: Like again, I'm.
Speaker 3: Gonna take this second. Yeah, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: make a greater value, gonna really turn it, or I'm
Speaker 3: gonna find ten more of me to go invest in,
Speaker 3: you know what, build some more catalogs up that I
Speaker 3: got ownership stake in or whatever. So yeah, I think,
Speaker 3: like you said, the right ticket, if it makes sense.
Speaker 3: I do think people sell themselves short, going in on
Speaker 3: the front end and selling it off before they even
Speaker 3: make it.
Speaker 4: That's not like a publishing deal.
Speaker 3: Not even that, because that can make sense. I'm just
Speaker 3: saying people to go sign up, like you know, you
Speaker 3: signing your rights away on the front end. You know
Speaker 3: they give you a big checks. Like man, that these
Speaker 3: people give you a million dollars, it's probably because they
Speaker 3: see it as being worth ten or twenty in this life.
Speaker 3: So you might all have stayed down and put the
Speaker 3: work in and go earn your teen rather than taking
Speaker 3: the one. And then that's that's all you ever saw
Speaker 3: was doing that. That's what you know, the one conflict.
Speaker 3: And that's why I was at when I was building
Speaker 3: a value up. I'm taking meetings like what you want
Speaker 3: to do, like nothing, keep grinding because you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, because trying to cast me out right now,
Speaker 3: I do the math.
Speaker 5: It's just all I'm doing is got damn waiting a
Speaker 5: little longer to get more. Yeah, but taking this now,
Speaker 5: if I take this now, it's cool because because I
Speaker 5: feel like I need it now.
Speaker 4: But I'm already worth this.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And if you're working, if you if you're actually
Speaker 3: working your move, then you're gonna make more.
Speaker 6: It's just like taking a fucking the first settlement offering
Speaker 6: a car accident. Like they offer you some ship just
Speaker 6: to get you out of the way, and if you
Speaker 6: need the money bad enough, you'll take it when really
Speaker 6: like you deserve more because.
Speaker 4: You fucked up in the bag, be taking that ship.
Speaker 4: It ain't really be down, really be hurt.
Speaker 3: This is.
Speaker 1: What they take it off the table.
Speaker 4: But they got to investigate this ship.
Speaker 1: But look, but look, this rap ship could be like
Speaker 1: that too.
Speaker 3: Some people doing this as a link. If you're doing
Speaker 3: it as a link, the cash out get low and
Speaker 3: go like. But I'm saying that at the point I knew,
Speaker 3: like I got value in this, I got staying powered,
Speaker 3: I got the formula for me at this point, like,
Speaker 3: I don't want you all money to build me up
Speaker 3: because I don't. I got equity in it. I'm building
Speaker 3: up to this point already. I'm gonna just keep building
Speaker 3: and turn it into something else, and y'all might and
Speaker 3: double back in a few years and put another zero
Speaker 3: in that or something and we can wrap. But you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's different if it's like you know, it was
Speaker 3: probably times in my career was like shit, I don't know.
Speaker 3: If I don't, I don't be around next year to
Speaker 3: make more music. So what you got? You know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. That might have been your mindset about it.
Speaker 3: But you know, at the point when I'm like my
Speaker 3: feet planning in this and I'm at it, it's like, nah,
Speaker 3: I'm let me just get back to the studio and
Speaker 3: find something else to put out, because like you said,
Speaker 3: I ain't I'm not doing traditional promotion. I'm not doing
Speaker 3: none of the ship, y'all gonna have me go and do.
Speaker 3: I can do this on my time, my turns, And
Speaker 3: I'm saying an instant return like folks.
Speaker 5: On a different level though, like your people really fuck
Speaker 5: with you. Niggas fuck with you so they own you hard.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. I've been hearing niggas for
Speaker 4: years and years and years.
Speaker 5: Like, nah, I fuck with bro like even rappers like
Speaker 5: till y'all can't even rappers like me, Nah start leaving.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying. I don't never heard the
Speaker 4: niggas say you know what I'm saying. Nah, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying. That's on some real ship.
Speaker 5: They'd be like, who hard that nigga a hard You
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying. They be saying, he started a
Speaker 5: lot of ship. The nigga don't know. You know what
Speaker 5: I'm saying. You know what I'm saying, Like for real,
Speaker 5: I just give you that right now, face to face.
Speaker 3: That's real, that's real. Yeah. Should I honor those that
Speaker 3: say it out loud too? Yeah? You know, because that's
Speaker 3: in the game too. People hold their nuts on you
Speaker 3: and act like they didn't see what you doing. Just
Speaker 3: just the same and it's like, so put.
Speaker 4: The book bag of nuts on their backs.
Speaker 3: Counting enough so the people that that do recognize and
Speaker 3: cold the nuts in fact around stupid. It's real, it's
Speaker 3: worth something, you know what I'm saying. That's that's worth
Speaker 3: something to me.
Speaker 4: Thank you, dope broad big See they won't glad. I
Speaker 4: ain't went no real rap because that should have been
Speaker 4: hard for me to stages.
Speaker 1: So like you just so god damn poised. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is what the word poised?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like you don't seem like
Speaker 5: you easy get rattled. You know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 5: that's a gift, bro, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Ain't you don't pop it when you can pop it?
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying, That's a gift because I'll
Speaker 4: be talking shit.
Speaker 3: But a lot of experience, man, like they say, probably
Speaker 3: come before the file, and I just the times when
Speaker 3: I was most full of full of myself, that's when
Speaker 3: the bullshit come my way, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: And that's that's just on a life level. So I
Speaker 3: take it good the bad in between, I type the
Speaker 3: ship and stride. You know what I'm saying, My my
Speaker 3: brightest days or damn, it looks like the worst of
Speaker 3: it cause one week condition where I come from to
Speaker 3: tuck it in, you know what I'm saying, when you
Speaker 3: go through something, And that's why I put certain shit
Speaker 3: on my music because it's like I know what they
Speaker 3: feel like to have to act like, ain't nothing wrong
Speaker 3: with you and it out yeah, Or I'm speaking with
Speaker 3: somebody that you can't see.
Speaker 4: You don't know how to and don't even got the
Speaker 4: nuts to let it out there. Yeah, for sure, what's
Speaker 4: the what's the uh?
Speaker 5: Like one of the most memorable experiences from a fan,
Speaker 5: like walking up on you telling you their story or whatever.
Speaker 3: Oh man, somebody somebody told me that they was they
Speaker 3: was going through something that was in the hospital. They
Speaker 3: was I don't remember the condition they said they had,
Speaker 3: but they was going through it and it was like, damn,
Speaker 3: the deathbed type situation. And they taught their people to
Speaker 3: play play my Mental Warfare album and uh, they was
Speaker 3: like they listened to it every day and they attribute
Speaker 3: that to them turning the corner with they you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, from their illness the spirit together. Yeah,
Speaker 3: And I was like, they was crying telling me telling
Speaker 3: me this and now that's just you know, in confidence,
Speaker 3: and I was like, I for whatever was worth. I
Speaker 3: believed the way because people shared other things like that,
Speaker 3: but it was it just it moved me because I
Speaker 3: know why I was there when I made that music,
Speaker 3: and I couldn't pinpoint what it was. They heard that
Speaker 3: they had that effect on them, but they believe that
Speaker 3: moving forward, and for them to be able to share
Speaker 3: that with me, it was like, damn, Like the power
Speaker 3: of music, you know what I'm saying. You can be
Speaker 3: making something to get yourself out of a dark space
Speaker 3: or whatever, and then it come back tenfold for somebody else,
Speaker 3: you know. And it's been a few stories like that,
Speaker 3: people like I was going through chemotherapy and I made
Speaker 3: them play this every day, and that was just it
Speaker 3: was just programming my mind and like I'm gonna be
Speaker 3: all right kind of thing. I'm like, damn that that
Speaker 3: just do something else for me as a like as
Speaker 3: an artist and as a person. You know, a lot
Speaker 3: of times I meet a lot of people that I
Speaker 3: ain't encouraging it, but I meet a lot of people
Speaker 3: that got ground hard, got my logo tattooed on them,
Speaker 3: and things like that. I'm like, damn, like this comes
Speaker 3: from the block. This is from the neighborhood. Like you,
Speaker 3: I'm in Colorado and you know what I'm saying, and
Speaker 3: it's something that you attach yourself to that much to
Speaker 3: you know, like damn, it's a lot of moments like that.
Speaker 3: Like you said, the people, if they rock with me,
Speaker 3: it seemed like they rock with me completely, like people
Speaker 3: grew up with me. It's a lot of times that
Speaker 3: you know, the all the farther I go with it
Speaker 3: all that. I get a lot of people like man,
Speaker 3: I've been listening to so I was in sixth grade.
Speaker 3: I'm like, which make a nigga feel old, But at
Speaker 3: the same time, like damn, and you're still rocking with
Speaker 3: me kind of time or like I said, just just
Speaker 3: things that like whatever I was doing back then wasn't
Speaker 3: in vain because it brought you along and you still
Speaker 3: hear kind of thing. But yeah, people is like testimonials
Speaker 3: almost because I'm like, damn, I ain't. I ain't see
Speaker 3: myself as that I was. Like I said, I started
Speaker 3: off just just on some man I was. I was
Speaker 3: a punchline rapper. I was rapping probably like fab or
Speaker 3: somebody when I first started just you know, trying to make.
Speaker 1: Every line be.
Speaker 3: Like you know, to evolve into like uh like storytelling
Speaker 3: to just being relatable and all that. I'm like, so
Speaker 3: I ain't see starting off when I was first putting
Speaker 3: pee in a past that somebody would be able to
Speaker 3: say my music was life changing for them. Will save
Speaker 3: they like when people say stuff like that, it's like, damn,
Speaker 3: that's that's deep, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: You still like throughout the process of your career, Like,
Speaker 2: did the communications stay intact with somebody like Stunning Gotty,
Speaker 2: Geezy and all them.
Speaker 4: Nah?
Speaker 3: No, I probably talked to got It most recently. A
Speaker 3: lot of people know me and God that kept a
Speaker 3: open line, a pretty a pretty cool relationship past that.
Speaker 3: I think our last song, money bag Yo, brought me
Speaker 3: out in Nashville his arena tour, and you know, it
Speaker 3: reached out and I chopped it over got It backstage there.
Speaker 3: And I think because of how and when we linked,
Speaker 3: we you know what I'm saying, our bond kind of
Speaker 3: more or less they of the same.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 3: When I went on went on my own, I think
Speaker 3: it was a respect thing because not only it was
Speaker 3: just you know, I came into it as as my
Speaker 3: own man, but I also took it, took it up
Speaker 3: a notch on my own. And I mean we had
Speaker 3: conversations about that or like like I said, on respect
Speaker 3: and vice versa, like he definitely took it up ten
Speaker 3: not since then even I command him turning up so
Speaker 3: many other artists because I was one of his first artists,
Speaker 3: and like I don't have no I don't have no
Speaker 3: regrets of how things worked out or played out with
Speaker 3: our situation. But the same thing I was saying, I
Speaker 3: look at it as part of like part of that
Speaker 3: success stories to learning curve or you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: the hiccups and the hurdles with our situation. I'm sure
Speaker 3: that he got some game when he learned some things,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Broker in a deal with
Speaker 3: me or the other artistles around at that time was
Speaker 3: able to, you know what I'm saying, get right or
Speaker 3: do some better different moving forward. So I always am
Speaker 3: like we for show a part of each other's story
Speaker 3: and their regard the other people. Like nah, I think
Speaker 3: some of the other situations was what they was. It
Speaker 3: ain't they ain't like no negativity or bitterness or whatever,
Speaker 3: just on certain levels just business and then in real
Speaker 3: time like, uh, some of the situations just kind of
Speaker 3: stopped where they was. But now I ain't really kept
Speaker 3: kept in touch.
Speaker 1: Why imposta syndrome?
Speaker 3: For the name of this project, my album, imposter syndrome
Speaker 3: kind of it was a double meaning one on the
Speaker 3: literal like scientific like medical or whatever. The imposter syndrome
Speaker 3: is like like the belief that your best isn't good enough.
Speaker 3: It's like if you like self doubt or or whatever,
Speaker 3: like having imposter syndrome, if y'all sat here and was like, man,
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know, I don't think. I don't
Speaker 3: think big facts is top tier like that kind of mindset.
Speaker 3: So that's something that probably I might have dealt with
Speaker 3: it early in my career. I think a lot of
Speaker 3: people deal with of like and I feel like I've
Speaker 3: conquered that I got on the other side of it,
Speaker 3: of like I'm the best there ever will be it
Speaker 3: being me, and so like I don't have imposta syndrome,
Speaker 3: you know, And it's like showing improven like look why
Speaker 3: I am now I ain't dealing with it? Like that's
Speaker 3: a that's a flower mindset. It was like, now, as
Speaker 3: long as I'm doing my best, that's good enough kind
Speaker 3: of things. The opposite, the double meaning of it is
Speaker 3: also the rap game. I think, damn there, everybody is faking.
Speaker 3: I think a lot of people are wearing a mask.
Speaker 3: I think the rap game in large is full of impostas,
Speaker 3: and so it's my commentary on it. It's kind of
Speaker 3: like I said, double a sword, or like most of
Speaker 3: the people y'all listening to their posture and they're putting
Speaker 3: on you know what I'm saying. I think a lot
Speaker 3: of people are miserable just what they present. And it's like,
Speaker 3: so I was, you know, it was kind of a
Speaker 3: play on words in the sense of like the the
Speaker 3: record y'all your favorite rappers are damn live. I remember
Speaker 3: that song. It's like, I like, that's that's my commentary
Speaker 3: on it, and I'm I am proud to not be
Speaker 3: in that space. Then I ain't wearing a mask. When
Speaker 3: I walk out the booth, I'm the same person. You
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying, Go get in my car and
Speaker 3: go home. I'm the same person. Like that's what that's
Speaker 3: what I'm bringing to the game, And I ain't knocking
Speaker 3: nobody for listening to nothing else. So I enjoy some
Speaker 3: of the music. I just know I crossed paths with
Speaker 3: some of these people and it ain't with you. And
Speaker 3: so it was between that, like I said, on a
Speaker 3: mental health level of like, man, you good enough, you
Speaker 3: all right, You're gonna be all right, like just stay
Speaker 3: down or whatever else. And then I'm like, you ain't
Speaker 3: gotta be like nobody else, So you ain't gotta You
Speaker 3: don't have to do what everybody else doing to succeed
Speaker 3: or win. And I'm proof of that. I'm living proof
Speaker 3: of that. Like you said, I'm comfortable in Mom's skin,
Speaker 3: so I don't have to you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: certain things don't matter. It don't matter to me anymore.
Speaker 3: And that was part of the theme of it. I
Speaker 3: ain't I come from a certain element and it's proving
Speaker 3: and whatever else, but I don't have nothing to prove,
Speaker 3: so on this album, I'm not really I'm not propping
Speaker 3: up like street shit. If the songs one I'm talking
Speaker 3: about street things is like from the element of regretting
Speaker 3: it or from like thinking better of it, I'm detached
Speaker 3: from that or even you know, on the outro, it's
Speaker 3: Kyle finished line again a double meaning of like, man,
Speaker 3: I did all it, Like that's cool, but it really
Speaker 3: ain't cool. But also are they finished line? Because they
Speaker 3: ain't did half of this And it's like and y'all looking,
Speaker 3: this is man, you hear that? Like, Like, I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't lost so many homeboys, friends peers that like.
Speaker 3: And I've been on both sides of out of foolishness
Speaker 3: to say that, ain't it? That ain't cool? Like you
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. It's probably some drill rap that
Speaker 3: I hear and like and turn up to if I'm
Speaker 3: out of feeling it. But I'm like, I can't. I
Speaker 3: can't do that, Like I almost feel like a sucker
Speaker 3: if I do it in this space because I've seen it.
Speaker 3: I've seen the results of it, and it's like that
Speaker 3: ain't nothing to celebrate. But you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: I'm older, I'm I've grown a little wise out of
Speaker 3: vives to this point, So I'm just trying to speak
Speaker 3: to certain themes and ideas from like all around it
Speaker 3: because a lot of times we can only get we
Speaker 3: only get one vantage point on one perspective and That's
Speaker 3: why a lot of artists be stuck in that mold
Speaker 3: because they might have broke through talking this kind of
Speaker 3: talk and it worked, it hit, it might have been real,
Speaker 3: it might have really been their story. But then you
Speaker 3: had all the success and you stuck there. And that's
Speaker 3: the only kind of music you can make. Now at
Speaker 3: that point, you're faking, you know what I'm saying, because
Speaker 3: you ain't living like that.
Speaker 2: I think the power tongue can attract certain stuff for sure,
Speaker 2: for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's why I'm like, nah, I want to
Speaker 3: I rather keep it real, you know. And even just
Speaker 3: on the narrator level, you know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 3: got three or four relationship songs on the album. It
Speaker 3: ain't really been my strong point of my focal point
Speaker 3: on my music, but that's more of my reality than
Speaker 3: shoot them up, bang bang or sell this. And like, man,
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, I got more dealings with
Speaker 3: women than confrontational stuff on this level. And I can
Speaker 3: talk about this molde directly and in a better space.
Speaker 3: But but I saw it's like what you're taking from
Speaker 3: and what you learning from it, Like I used to
Speaker 3: be afraid to make them kind of songs for thinking like,
Speaker 3: oh man, they gonna say I went soft for this
Speaker 3: and there now in the space like this is my
Speaker 3: reality and what I found is some of the Street
Speaker 3: Cats and everything, like man, that's my favorite song, the
Speaker 3: love song, the breakup song or whatever. It's like, Damn.
Speaker 3: It's like because we're human, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 3: And ain't nobody doing it. Ain't nobody making them songs
Speaker 3: because it's just like we just gotta be hard on
Speaker 3: the gap. We gotta you know what I'm saying. It's like,
Speaker 3: what about being hard on yourself because you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, you messed up or whatever. You know. So yeah,
Speaker 3: it's like being in a certain pocket or like, man,
Speaker 3: I ain't wearing a mask and I think I think
Speaker 3: we need to pull the mask about. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 3: free yourself from it because I seen it. Man, I've
Speaker 3: seen people with a lot of success. They're like they're
Speaker 3: miserable because it's like I got put.
Speaker 1: You're looking in the mirror, Look in the mirror.
Speaker 4: Stress nigga fakeing fuck?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you nigga know they faking fuck wake up every
Speaker 4: day trying to go outside and be faking. Yeah, that ship.
Speaker 5: That ship has to be miserable even even even even
Speaker 5: even like in relationships or anything else, like you know
Speaker 5: you're faking them, motherfucker.
Speaker 4: You gotta remember your line exactly. You have to remember
Speaker 4: your line. You gotta practice this ship that then you
Speaker 4: lose yourself.
Speaker 5: Once you lose yourself, you're gonna be mad all the
Speaker 5: time because you know you ain't even got you will
Speaker 5: you just mad as fuck? Man, you shaid faked fuck
Speaker 5: like this ship eating you up. It's a lot of
Speaker 5: niggas going through that ship. Yeah, nigga, many mad niggas.
Speaker 1: You know, I know, nigga, man a mother, have the phone,
Speaker 1: Just have the phone and.
Speaker 4: Come on, man, niggas don't want to stop. Fans nigga want.
Speaker 2: You a bit.
Speaker 3: You Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like real ship. It's just like, man,
Speaker 4: you folks help you.
Speaker 3: You.
Speaker 5: You gotta remember that time you was big. You you
Speaker 5: couldn't wait till somebody wanted the picture to be heard
Speaker 5: or you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: You couldn't wait till motherfucker recognized you.
Speaker 5: Now that they recognize you, get on your nerves because
Speaker 5: they you knowing they're not recognizing you.
Speaker 4: They finished line.
Speaker 3: What you said, they finished line. They recognized no facade,
Speaker 3: and like you said, now you gotta you gotta own it.
Speaker 3: You gotta embrace that. And I mean that's got to
Speaker 3: be exhausting and everything else. Like man, I remember a
Speaker 3: conversation and I kind of spell the details or how
Speaker 3: it went, but I was encouraged to rap about certain
Speaker 3: things like when I was young, and I mean, truth
Speaker 3: be told, it was it was my reality. So I'm like,
Speaker 3: it's second nature. I know all about it to talk
Speaker 3: about it. But it was like from a corporate level. Later,
Speaker 3: the older I got, I was like, damn, this is
Speaker 3: a this is an agenda, this is like this is
Speaker 3: what it the type to get to, you know. And
Speaker 3: I don't know if it was agenda, if it was
Speaker 3: just what was working. So they like go with this move,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, man, I can't beat them just because
Speaker 3: that's working for them. But I also like fast forward
Speaker 3: and look at it like they stuck though. They can
Speaker 3: never get out of their caricature, like because I guess
Speaker 3: because it worked or because they took it so far
Speaker 3: like just exaggerating shit, and you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, I mean I might wake up in
Speaker 3: a bad move. I might want to tell you everything
Speaker 3: and went wrong. You know, I remember that song breaking
Speaker 3: through walk a Flog Funk my money up now that
Speaker 3: that song moved me because up until the end, it
Speaker 3: was just like a hundred bricks, We're gonna you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: I'm like to hear young niggas say everybody nigga seventy
Speaker 7: five million times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like.
Speaker 3: They're relatable, you know what I'm saying. Just being given
Speaker 3: a different perspective of it was like, Damn, that's.
Speaker 2: Why people like the pay music too, Like like the
Speaker 2: wrong way with the Resisshauns or whoever the case is.
Speaker 2: The nigga that just going there and saying, man, I'm hurting.
Speaker 5: You need to stop hurting God Damn, Like some of
Speaker 5: these niggas ain't never gonna get out that part.
Speaker 1: It's power for something that saying that, it's power. The
Speaker 1: tongue so good.
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like how many niggas like, damn, bro,
Speaker 4: I want to see you happy? Bro? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah that too. It's gotta be balanced.
Speaker 3: It'd be business too on that level.
Speaker 4: I guess happy heal at home, nah man, I just think.
Speaker 4: I just think you just can't take this ship literal
Speaker 4: no more. You know what I'm saying. Like we're just
Speaker 4: saying last last week was interviewing.
Speaker 5: Yo, like you can't take these artists literal, like back
Speaker 5: in the day, I used to take like artists literal,
Speaker 5: like too short.
Speaker 4: You can't tell me that Nigga wasn't too short. You
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Eight bolling brother, I was that I was. I was
Speaker 5: with them Nigga was talking about in my mind. You
Speaker 5: get what I'm saying. So then I funk around, turned
Speaker 5: around to.
Speaker 4: Meet you, and it's like, I ain't doing that. I
Speaker 4: ain't never since then, I ain't ever believe in that
Speaker 4: type of shit no more. It's like I don't take
Speaker 4: it literal like the tooth fare, Yeah, you can't.
Speaker 5: You just gotta look at it for what it is.
Speaker 5: And I tell my kids that, I tell my grand like,
Speaker 5: this is the same thing you see. Okay, you see
Speaker 5: the man that died in this movie, right, I'm gonna
Speaker 5: go his Instagram that he go, he ain't dead. Same
Speaker 5: thing you see the boy rapping by he doing all that.
Speaker 5: He hear you what it like? You guys just letting
Speaker 5: them know that this ship is like like you said,
Speaker 5: cartoons or some ship. Yeah, I mean it would memorize you.
Speaker 3: It's a it's a very like smile select few that
Speaker 3: they appeal, they aesthetic, their lifestyle actually matches, you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, how they're rocking. And to me, that's
Speaker 3: the that's a sweet spot, and that's you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, that's the ones that's here to stay. That's
Speaker 3: the ones that people like really embraced because because people
Speaker 3: feel that fact, you know, And that's what that's my
Speaker 3: trophy is for somebody, you know, to be able to say, man, nah,
Speaker 3: I met dude and this happened. You know, Man, I
Speaker 3: met him. I had my kids, right, they asked, but
Speaker 3: my kids great? Like do real like that ain't in
Speaker 3: my wraps. But it go parallel with what I'm rapping about.
Speaker 3: Yeah you know what I'm saying, especially like now, like
Speaker 3: like you asked me, like being a parent is at
Speaker 3: the front, Like that's what I wake up and go
Speaker 3: to sleep doing. I'm daddy before him anything else. So
Speaker 3: it's spilled over into the booth. Two hours ago, my
Speaker 3: almost paternity leaves like it was coming out of covid.
Speaker 3: I'm spending twenty four hours with my child, like the
Speaker 3: world shut down. Like I was telling you, that's when
Speaker 3: I got most hip to y'all show. I'm watching the
Speaker 3: Zoom episodes and I'm like, I'm but I'm she right there.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. Everything she eating, I'm cooking.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. It's like I ain't leaving
Speaker 3: an eyesight when it's time for me to go make
Speaker 3: some rap songs because I missed rapping because I couldn't
Speaker 3: go to the studio. I couldn't get out of the
Speaker 3: damn house. So when I could, I ain't really had
Speaker 3: nothing else to wrap about. It's time I'm living like
Speaker 3: I couldn't leave out of there and go wrap about.
Speaker 3: I ain't nobody doing no street shit unless you're scamming
Speaker 3: or you know what I'm saying, whatever, getting anything like that.
Speaker 3: But I'm like this what I'm doing. So you know,
Speaker 3: I spoke on it and it's like shit, I imagine
Speaker 3: it's a lot of other people doing the same thing,
Speaker 3: you know, and so it become relatable on their level,
Speaker 3: but a lot of people don't have it. Like That's
Speaker 3: that's what I cherish more than how much your sales,
Speaker 3: how much your stream. And fortunately it's still like viable.
Speaker 3: It's still you know what I'm saying, still like in
Speaker 3: you know, in the mix.
Speaker 4: That's why I like I said, this ship with folk
Speaker 4: like we've been conditioned.
Speaker 6: Man.
Speaker 4: You know what mother can tell you got to learn
Speaker 4: how to act. I hate that. Don't tell me to
Speaker 4: learn how to act. Ain't acting. I'm being me, Yeah,
Speaker 4: just don't fuck with me. You can't act like that
Speaker 4: around them. I ain't acting.
Speaker 5: Like in certain places you can't act like that. Well,
Speaker 5: I don't need to be there if I can't be me.
Speaker 5: That's a real nigga shit though.
Speaker 4: You got a lot of people feel like if you
Speaker 4: got it.
Speaker 5: Bro, if you gotta go in a environment and change
Speaker 5: who you are to be in that environment, eventually you're
Speaker 5: gonna you just all you're doing is pulling your man
Speaker 5: down and then you get mad if a motherfucker try
Speaker 5: you a certain way when they trying the nigga you
Speaker 5: acting like you here.
Speaker 4: If I was being men you with, then I ain't
Speaker 4: going for that what you're doing.
Speaker 5: I don't even play like that. I don't even talk
Speaker 5: like that. I'm not engaging in that type of conversation.
Speaker 5: It's just like you put yourself in one of them parties,
Speaker 5: one of the weird parties that you know these folks
Speaker 5: doing in the party, you know what these folking on for,
Speaker 5: and they try your niggas feel on your.
Speaker 4: Ass and you ad like, you may see what we're
Speaker 4: doing this party? What was on? I ain't even going
Speaker 4: so I can't act like.
Speaker 5: But niggas is not acting though for real even not
Speaker 5: even just rapp acting real life people. Like it's hard
Speaker 5: to even it's hard to even distinguish if your loved
Speaker 5: ones acting.
Speaker 1: Friends and your family.
Speaker 5: It's hard out here, bro, Like cause this this this
Speaker 5: internet ship. Don't put like a facade one dough over
Speaker 5: everybody eyes. Bro, It's like I gotta be like this,
Speaker 5: so I gotta act like this. I gotta shit fucked up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. That was That's what I was going
Speaker 3: with it with the album, was like, of course, I'm
Speaker 3: speaking from my own unique perspective because I like music,
Speaker 3: and I'm comparing it like rap game because it's it's
Speaker 3: a competitive space and it's like how do you set
Speaker 3: yourself apart? Or this? What like I said, this is
Speaker 3: what I bring to the typele it's different, but on
Speaker 3: a like human night your level, or like you said,
Speaker 3: the human condition where we at like most people are
Speaker 3: posturing or because of that, we programming the idea that
Speaker 3: what you're doing ain't good enough. You know, like I've
Speaker 3: seen it, like you got your your own memories, you
Speaker 3: got whatever to share, and you're like, man, well I can't,
Speaker 3: I can't post it. I ain't gonna post my car
Speaker 3: because it ain't this kind of car, you know what
Speaker 3: I'm saying, Because but it'll be somebody else that rent
Speaker 3: at that car and took a bunch of pictures in
Speaker 3: front of it, but they making you feel like yours
Speaker 3: ain't good enough. You know that J Coles love yours
Speaker 3: like no such things or life that's better than yours.
Speaker 3: Like that might be one of my favorite rap songs,
Speaker 3: just the mindset of it, because it's like that's impost syndromes,
Speaker 3: like we are lost in large part because we it's
Speaker 3: keeping up. It's you know, comparing your life or whatever
Speaker 3: your optics to somebody else's like, nah, it's good enough.
Speaker 3: You're waking up, you breathing, you healthy, whatever you got.
Speaker 3: It's something you know what I'm saying, you can want more,
Speaker 3: but you know it ain't a successful failure based on
Speaker 3: like if that's the you know what I'm saying, you're
Speaker 3: giving it all you got. Like, man, that's that's great.
Speaker 4: You know what soppy my life turned out?
Speaker 3: For sure?
Speaker 5: Then how it go, I'm straight, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: However it go anything from this point on, it's extra, Brook.
Speaker 5: We weren't even supposed to be here in niggas mind.
Speaker 5: Niggas ain't supposed to be here.
Speaker 4: Doing this, this sen in no podcasts. You know my
Speaker 4: leg cram this ship extra whatever else come after this, Bro,
Speaker 4: I'm already blessed. That's how I look at this. Niggas
Speaker 4: be one what another nigga got. That's what they say.
Speaker 4: Comparison is the cousin of hate.
Speaker 3: Joy.
Speaker 4: No, that is the cousin of hate. Comparison. If you
Speaker 4: see a nigga always comparing himself. But I got the
Speaker 4: though you slick hate what the fuck is me? And
Speaker 4: you were not in competition on thumb or two?
Speaker 1: Tell you what your ship hard?
Speaker 5: I ain't gonna say turn around and be like, but wait,
Speaker 5: do you see mine? You know what I'm saying to
Speaker 5: me that slick hate. Yeah, why do you even gotta
Speaker 5: say that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Oh boy, you Sally got now. But you just killed them,
Speaker 4: But you don't be killing them like me.
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