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Speaker 1: Everybody. Chris Harry with you on Chargers Weekly. A bit later,

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Speaker 1: I'll be joined by CBS Sports Senior NFL writer Will Brinson.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna talk about his time in Orlando for NFL

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Speaker 1: owners meetings, plus his latest NFL mock draft that has

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Speaker 1: the Chargers taking a player that I think Vans would

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Speaker 1: be pretty happy with. But first, USA Today NFL columnists

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Speaker 1: Jared Bell on the newest NFL rule changes and other

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Speaker 1: takeaways from commission are Roger Goodell's press conference all right

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Speaker 1: here with the Great Jared Bell on Chargers Weekly and Jared,

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Speaker 1: I watched the commissioner's press conference. Looks like he was

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Speaker 1: riving you for asking too many questions, although they were

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Speaker 1: pretty good questions that sometimes that's what happens when you

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Speaker 1: know you've been around for a while. Good nature, Huh.

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Speaker 1: Everything from the commissioner, no doubt, But you know, I

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Speaker 1: was curious because we've got this new rule. Now. If

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Speaker 1: I think it's a really well intened rule. The NFL

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Speaker 1: so here's another rule change. But this one is a

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Speaker 1: bit puzzling in the process, the manner in which it

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Speaker 1: you know, it's kind of like, uh, they'll have trial

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Speaker 1: And you've had you have no rules to this point

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Speaker 1: and so this is going into a totally different territory.

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Speaker 1: But the commissioner agreed, if you're going to object somebody

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Speaker 1: the other part of the question was, Okay, what's going

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Speaker 1: And the league is going to work in the coming

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Speaker 1: It's a work in progress. And just when the NFL

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Speaker 1: was voted unanimously thirty two zero. And it sounds simple, Jared.

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Speaker 1: new quarterback under center in Denver, and then, like I said,

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Speaker 1: a much quieter offseason for the Chargers. What do you

430
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Speaker 1: make of this division where thirty days away from the draft,

431
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,400
Speaker 1: then a lot of free agency stuff is behind us.

432
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Speaker 1: But what do you make of this AFC West as

433
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Speaker 1: we stand here in the spring, Well, I'm a noted

434
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Speaker 1: uh not Chargers fan, but I mean I'm I am,

435
00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 1: I am, I'm noted for stumping for the Chargers before

436
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 1: the season every year. And I'm not alone in that.

437
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 1: I mean, I think there are plenty of other media members.

438
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Speaker 1: But I had the Chargers going deep last year. They

439
00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 1: had to look about them, and I'll probably be doing

440
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 1: it again because I think for the first time in

441
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Speaker 1: a while, the Chargers really have some consistency in a

442
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,400
Speaker 1: in a two year stretch. I mean even last year

443
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,280
Speaker 1: when you have you know, Philip Rivers there and you

444
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 1: approve the offensive line around him and Joey Boss. You know,

445
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 1: coming into a second season, um, you still had to move.

446
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 1: You still had uh you know, Anthony Lynn as a

447
00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,639
Speaker 1: first year head coach. And I think that's you know,

448
00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:49,399
Speaker 1: I think those things showed themselves early on in the season.

449
00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: I think the Chargers struggle a little bit to deal

450
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Speaker 1: with the you know, the the lack of a home

451
00:23:54,760 --> 00:23:56,640
Speaker 1: field advantage right out of the gates, and I think

452
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Speaker 1: there's you know, I think Anthony Lynn was adjusting to

453
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Speaker 1: being a new head coach. But it takes time. It's

454
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,200
Speaker 1: not an easy job. And you really saw that team

455
00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:06,040
Speaker 1: come together down the stretch, and I mean, you know,

456
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Speaker 1: you don't want to put too much into the second

457
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Speaker 1: half momentum, but I think if you could have a

458
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Speaker 1: good second half and then carry it over with a

459
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,679
Speaker 1: consistent season, their consistent offseason, excuse me, I'm gonna like

460
00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 1: what you're putting on the paper the following year. And

461
00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 1: I think the Chargers really present that. To me. As

462
00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: far as the rest of the division goes, the Chiefs

463
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 1: are still maybe the most dangerous team, and I'll be

464
00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:33,359
Speaker 1: very curious to see what the combination of Patrick Mahomes

465
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Speaker 1: and Sammy Watkins, two really high upside guys do in

466
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Speaker 1: terms of in terms of taking the cap off of

467
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Speaker 1: the Chiefs offense. Because Alex Smith was great last year

468
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Speaker 1: through the ball well downfield, you know, really elevated his

469
00:24:47,960 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 1: game in terms of the vertical passing attack and as

470
00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 1: you know, it plays mistake free football. But they did

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Speaker 1: have that low in the middle, and I think it's

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Speaker 1: possible that Patrick Mahomes and Sammy Watkins could turn that

473
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Speaker 1: into one of the top three or four offenses in

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Speaker 1: the league, and they can challenge to be the best

475
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Speaker 1: offense in the NFL. Because of his arm strength, and

476
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Speaker 1: his mobility and and what walking can do for you

477
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,159
Speaker 1: in terms of not just being a vertical threat but

478
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Speaker 1: also being dangerous in the screen game. You know, of

479
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 1: course they have Tyreek Hill and Travis Kelsey. I don't

480
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: think that offense will skip much of a beat. I

481
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: think the Chiefs really, you know, are going to maybe

482
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Speaker 1: suffer a little bit on the defensive side of things.

483
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Speaker 1: And the Broncos they're I think they're they're a tough

484
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Speaker 1: team to figure out because they're in transition, but they

485
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 1: don't know it, and that we're gonna find out. We're

486
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: gonna find out what they really think of themselves and

487
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 1: that roster in case Keenum when they're on the clock

488
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Speaker 1: at number five, because if they take a quarterback, and

489
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Speaker 1: I think it's pretty likely that they take a quarterback

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Speaker 1: at five, because this class is good. If they take

491
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Speaker 1: a quarterback at five, I think it says that they

492
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,960
Speaker 1: know that they're still trying to reboot and still trying

493
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Speaker 1: to find the answer. If they don't, maybe they see

494
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Speaker 1: Paxton Lynch as as a guy who just needs more

495
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Speaker 1: time to develop. Maybe they see case Keenum a multiple

496
00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: year bridge guy. So that draft picks could have tossed

497
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: a lot about the Broncos. I still think they need

498
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 1: a lot to click right to really be competitive this year.

499
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:11,159
Speaker 1: And then the Raiders, like I said, I don't I

500
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 1: can't figure out what's happening, but I don't. I don't

501
00:26:13,320 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 1: want to bet on John Gruden, but I don't want

502
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: to better gifts to meter If that makes any sense, No,

503
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: totally does. And the Chargers hasn't been a very splashy

504
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 1: free agency period because you don't need it to be.

505
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 1: You have a lot of guys coming back. I think

506
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 1: they pounced, no pun intended. They pounced on Mike Pouncey

507
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: when he became available with the Dolphins, and then you

508
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 1: get guys like Virgil Green and Caleb Sturgist to kind

509
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: of even out the roster. I go back to the Chiefs.

510
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Speaker 1: Though you lose Marcus Peters, you get Eric Barry Back.

511
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 1: It's still one of the most explosive offenses in the league.

512
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 1: And then with Denver, you're one hundred percent right if

513
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Speaker 1: they select a quarterback with the fifth overall pick. I mean,

514
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 1: you have selected two quarterbacks in the first round and

515
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 1: you still you don't know if they're gonna be franchise guys.

516
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,080
Speaker 1: And then you bring in a guy like Kay's Keenum,

517
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,520
Speaker 1: who had a really a year in Minnesota, but you

518
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:04,160
Speaker 1: look at his entire body of work in the NFL

519
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:07,959
Speaker 1: and that's not one hundred percent even either. So I

520
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 1: think that there's a lot of questionable moves in the

521
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,359
Speaker 1: AFC West that that could lean either way. But at

522
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: the same time, it looks like the Chargers hopefully can

523
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 1: kind of ride the ship and have some momentum going

524
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: into into twenty eighteen. Yeah, for sure. I mean, I

525
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,640
Speaker 1: think the one thing that I really like about what

526
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Speaker 1: La did and this is this is I'm glad that

527
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 1: this will be my first interview in like a year

528
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: where I've managed to not use the San Diego phrase.

529
00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:39,400
Speaker 1: But it was good. You know, Chargers dot com um

530
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: finally getting used. It's finally click, it's finally clicking in.

531
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: But I think I said something like, you know, it's

532
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 1: finally starting to be part of the mindset. You know,

533
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 1: you're used to it, It's normal, And I think that

534
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: I think, to me, that's gonna matter to Philip Rivers

535
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:53,960
Speaker 1: who have had to have a year under's belt. And

536
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: then the bigger thing, and you're talking about the Mike

537
00:27:55,800 --> 00:28:00,360
Speaker 1: Pouncy edition. I think that this offensive line is probably

538
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: the best offensive line that Philip Rivers has had, um

539
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: since maybe oh, I don't know, seven maybe, yeah, yeah, yeah.

540
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: I mean like back in the day when you know

541
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 1: it was him an LT running it, they had a

542
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: really good offensive line and it sort of became a

543
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: weakness for a long time. I mean, Philip Rivers was

544
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,040
Speaker 1: under a lot of durest for many years. And I

545
00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,199
Speaker 1: think to Tom to Lesker's credit, he has done a

546
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: good job exploring not just the draft. You know, you

547
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,120
Speaker 1: and you get a guy like Forest lamp Back, who's

548
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: basically like a free second round, first second round tick

549
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: at this point, Um, you know, Dan Feeney, it was

550
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: a it was a very nice pick. And then you add,

551
00:28:40,760 --> 00:28:43,720
Speaker 1: you know Pouncy you had. You know, you're getting these

552
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: guys and you're loading them up in free agency and

553
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 1: the draft, and now suddenly Rivers has protection him from

554
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 1: And if you protect Philip Rivers and you have Keenan

555
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: Allen and you have Hunter Henry, he's gonna carve you up.

556
00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: And so I think for me, if you know that's

557
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: the biggest selling point for the Chargers is I know,

558
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: Philip Rivers will be protected. And when he's protected, he's

559
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: going to be good, no doubt. NFL Drafts thirty days away,

560
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: Charge is gonna have a chance to improve their roster

561
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: at number seventeen overall. And I want to move to

562
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: your mock draft, Will because I told you offline it's

563
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: the most fun mock draft I've ever seen. You have

564
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: some history being made at the top of You have

565
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,000
Speaker 1: four to quarterbacks going in the top five picks. You

566
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: have six quarterbacks going in the top fifteen, and that's

567
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: first of all, that's entirely possible. And secondly, if that happens,

568
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:31,800
Speaker 1: several teams are going to benefit, including the Chargers. And

569
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Speaker 1: that leads me to the pick that you have for them.

570
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 1: Tremaine Edmunds, the linebacker for Virginia Tech. Unbelievable, nineteen years old,

571
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: six five, two fifty three. What do you think Tremaine

572
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 1: Edmunds could bring to that linebacking corps for the Chargers

573
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: that they need linebacking help and they also need to

574
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 1: help stop the run. Yeah, I mean I think yeah.

575
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,040
Speaker 1: Look and again, like we talk about this Chargers team,

576
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 1: there's not a lot of weaknesses and you know, I

577
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:58,000
Speaker 1: mean you know, you could you could argue that they

578
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,520
Speaker 1: could continue. And I do think that that's a good

579
00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 1: spot to be in if you're a GM. Two is

580
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 1: that you don't you aren't required to go into the

581
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,479
Speaker 1: draft and say, all right, we need this. You know,

582
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 1: you can actually go into a draft and you can

583
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: draft the best player available and try to come away

584
00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: with you know, top tier talent, not you know, independent

585
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: of independent of what your roster needs are. But I

586
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: mean that extent. I think Edmonds is a guy who

587
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 1: is young has flashed uh, you know, talent in terms

588
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: of being a versatile guy and the ability to stop,

589
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:27,480
Speaker 1: to run and and to to move around and coverage

590
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:31,160
Speaker 1: and in a in a twenty eighteen defense, you need

591
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 1: those versatile pieces. You know, you want to be able

592
00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: to to shift seamlessly, um you know into a you know,

593
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,640
Speaker 1: into a Nickel type of situation where you can you know,

594
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 1: when guys are subbing in and out and they're spreading

595
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: the field. You know, you want those guys who can

596
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: play all over the place. And I think they have

597
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 1: several of them up front. I mean Joey Bosa, Melvin Ingram.

598
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: You know, those guys are malleable and that's a that's

599
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 1: a big, big plus in twenty eighteen. And Edmonds, I

600
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,719
Speaker 1: think as a as a ton of upside as well

601
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: at the position, And you're right in terms of the economics.

602
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: That's the thing. The teams that are gonna the teams

603
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: that are in a really good spot in this draft.

604
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:08,760
Speaker 1: And I look at it a lot like last year

605
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: when we saw Marshaw Lattimore to the Saints, Derek Barnett

606
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: to the Eagles, Lee Hooker to the Colts, these teams

607
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: who are outside the top end and they got the

608
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 1: players because of the wide receiver run. But this year

609
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: it's going to be quarterbacks. And I think when you

610
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: look at a group of teams that are in really

611
00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: good shape, the Bears forty nine, Ers and Raiders at eight, nine,

612
00:31:28,280 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: ten are in a great spot because of the quarterbacks

613
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: who will go early, and the Bucks at seven as well.

614
00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: But then a second tier of those those teams. You know,

615
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 1: you have the Packers at fourteen, You have the Redskins

616
00:31:39,080 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: at thirteen, you have the Chargers at seventeen, the Seahawks

617
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: at eighteen, Cowboys even the nineteen. I mean, all those

618
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: teams have their quarterback, right they're probably not going to

619
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: be drafting or quarterback. And if Lamar Jackson and Mason

620
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: Rudolph go early and in the top twenty, then all

621
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you know, you have you know, six

622
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: six quarterbacks who could go early enough that it pushes

623
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: high quality players down and that's a big, big benefit

624
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: for a team like the Chargers, you know, the Saints,

625
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 1: the Cardinals. These are also teams that we're not talking

626
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: about that that need a quarterback. I mean, the Cardinals

627
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 1: have a bridge situation with Glennon and Bradford. Drew Brees

628
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: is going to be on that roster for probably two

629
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: more seasons. We're not even talking about some of the

630
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: teams that have older quarterbacks in place right now that

631
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: need to be thinking about the future. And when you

632
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 1: look at this class, will I mean it could be

633
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: historic in that we've never seen five quarterbacks go in

634
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: the top ten or four quarterbacks school in the top ten.

635
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 1: But you also look at these playoff teams that may

636
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 1: want to move up a couple of spots to get

637
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: that quarterback in the future. Yeah for sure. I mean,

638
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: you know, the Ravens qualify as well. Yeah, that's yeah. Yeah,

639
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 1: you know, the Steelers are there, they're probably a little

640
00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: lower than than they'd like to be unless somebody drops in.

641
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: The Chargers qualified too. I would I woul to college

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Speaker 1: at the same time that Philip Rivers did. And believe

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Speaker 1: me when I say that, I don't feel young. You know,

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Speaker 1: he's take it more of a beating than I have.

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Speaker 1: And uh and he's got more kids, so I'm sure

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Speaker 1: he feels much older than I to still playing at

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Speaker 1: a high level. But you know, I don't think that,

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Speaker 1: you know, and look, Rivers was there bringing up Breezes

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Speaker 1: in in in San Diego when Rivers got drafted. He

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Speaker 1: knows how it works. Um, you know, all these guys do.

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Speaker 1: So it would be you know, we haven't really seen

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Speaker 1: a ton of you know, I think you think back

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Speaker 1: to the OZ four class even you know, ironically enough,

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Speaker 1: when it was Roethlisberger and and and Rivers and Eli.

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Speaker 1: You know, when that that type of talent was being

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Speaker 1: taken that high. And you know those guys are those

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Speaker 1: guys are older. You know, the Giants are a team

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Speaker 1: to have a quarterback, but they're gonna need to think

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Speaker 1: about it too. So it's gonna depend a lot on

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Speaker 1: how these playoff caliber teams with these franchise quarterbacks are

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Speaker 1: you know, are making new decisions as far as new

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Speaker 1: franchise quarterbacks go, and when they want to try and

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Speaker 1: find a replacement, and it could end up really pushing down. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know some of these high quality players at the

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Speaker 1: top of the draft, and then also defensive line and linebacker.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned Edmonds, Rod Quants, Smith, Vita Vea, Deron Payne,

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Speaker 1: Murice Hurst. These are all guys. One of those guys

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Speaker 1: were Seauan Evans. One of those guys is going to

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Speaker 1: be available at Nuverse seventeen. And really phill a need

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Speaker 1: for the Chargers. Well, you said, did you go to

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Speaker 1: college with Philip Rivers at NCY State? Yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: was a yeah, yeah I was. I mean I was.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Phill and I had any class Philip

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Speaker 1: and I had any classes together, but we were. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we were there around the same time. I need all right,

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Speaker 1: we'll get your edding on this. Just give me a

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Speaker 1: Philip Rivers NC State memory that I can bring back

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Speaker 1: to the Hook Performance Center. Just just your I know,

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Speaker 1: watching him fourteen years ago versus versus now, it's probably

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Speaker 1: the same. He's still that fiery competitive dude. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: oh no, I mean like he is the I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's yeah, basically the same guy I think. I mean, look,

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Speaker 1: I was at the NC State Pro Day and D'Antonio

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Speaker 1: here's the crazy bart like like all these guys who

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Speaker 1: played around the same time, like D'Antonio Burnette, who's the

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Speaker 1: assistant athletic director at NC State was was a linebacker

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Speaker 1: back in the day. And thunder Dan and we were

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Speaker 1: talking about I was talking to him about how we

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Speaker 1: went down to Jacksonville, Florida for the Gator Bowl and

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Speaker 1: uh and it was this probably NC State's best season

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Speaker 1: in like twenty five years. But they beat they beat

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Speaker 1: beat up, throttled Notre Dame in the Gator Bowl and

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Speaker 1: uh and ultimately, um and ultimately one day and you know,

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Speaker 1: just not winning the Sugar Bowl or anything, but it

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Speaker 1: was it was a big deal and the entire team

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Speaker 1: went down to the landing. It was parting with all

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Speaker 1: the ANC State fans and I think I think anybody

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Speaker 1: there would remember, Um, you know how cool that was.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you that. The other thing to ask him about,

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Speaker 1: if you want, there's a there's an old uh jumbo

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Speaker 1: tron thing that they played for Chuck a motto, and

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Speaker 1: they would have Chuck a motto chuck the chest to

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Speaker 1: you know, talk Yeah. Yeah, yeah. So Chuck was Phil's

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Speaker 1: coach and they they did this Soprano's intro, but instead

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Speaker 1: of Tony Soprano driving in the red suburban, it's a

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Speaker 1: motto driving into Raleigh in his uh, in his red

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Speaker 1: court that and he's got his stun glasses down and uh.

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Speaker 1: And so they did that, They did that with the

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Speaker 1: motto and then uh, the other thing. I think that, um,

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Speaker 1: a motto like a motto of Rivers are just you know,

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Speaker 1: the faces of that program. Uh a motto? Did he

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Speaker 1: rolled up in a I think he rolled up in

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Speaker 1: a motorcycle to try and recruit AJ Davis away from

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Speaker 1: Carolina and and over to NC States. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: that's not Rivers related, but it's those are motto memories

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Speaker 1: of what, you know, what really stand out from him

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Speaker 1: and him and Rivers times. Well, what do you guy

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Speaker 1: going on over the next month? And where can people

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Speaker 1: find your work on CBS Sports? Uh yeah, CBS Sports

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Speaker 1: dot com, slash NFL, We've got the Pick six podcast

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Speaker 1: we're doing. It's gonna be doing some draft preview stuff

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Speaker 1: for that too, and uh and on Twitter at Will Brinson,

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Speaker 1: I mean the you know, the website stuff just churning out.

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Speaker 1: I've actually got a feature coming something related to that

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Speaker 1: NC State pro so people who are tangentially connected to

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Speaker 1: the rivers through that can can everybody be interested to

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Speaker 1: see what that program is doing as well? Awesome? Man? Well, hey,

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Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough for your time, good stuff,

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Speaker 1: and hopefully we can do this again this offseason or

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Speaker 1: as the twenty eighteen regular season fires up. Man, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for sure, hap you to do it. You'vet and that'll

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Speaker 1: do it. My thanks to Jared Bell and Will Brinson

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Speaker 1: for joining me, and thanks to you all for listening.

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Speaker 1: Be sure to subscribe to Charges Weekly on Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 1: and if you could, please leave a review, help spread

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Speaker 1: the word this offseason. Enjoy the weekend, and until next time,

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Speaker 1: I'm Chris Harry