WEBVTT - Malcolm Gladwell's 12 Rules for Life

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<v Speaker 1>Pushkin.

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<v Speaker 2>So one thing that chapter one is about is the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that if a lobster is defeated in a dominance battle,

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<v Speaker 2>you can give it essentially antidepressants, and it will fight again.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a Canadian like me, my age, almost exactly, who

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<v Speaker 1>teaches my favorite subject, psychology at my alma mater, the

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<v Speaker 1>University of Toronto. His name is Jordan Peterson.

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<v Speaker 2>If you want to understand a complex nervous system, it's

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<v Speaker 2>a good idea to understand a simple one first and

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<v Speaker 2>then sort of elaborate upwards. And it turns out that

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<v Speaker 2>seratonin governs status, emotional regulation, and posture in lobsters just

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<v Speaker 2>like it does in human beings, and so that would

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<v Speaker 2>just blew me away.

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<v Speaker 1>He wrote a very provocative self help book called Twelve

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<v Speaker 1>Rules for Life. Rule number one stand up straight with

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<v Speaker 1>your shoulders back. Rule number two treat yourself like someone

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<v Speaker 1>you are responsible for helping. Rule number twelve, pat a

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<v Speaker 1>cat when you encounter one on the street. Peterson's book

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<v Speaker 1>was a sensation, and soon all kinds of other people

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<v Speaker 1>were doing twelve rules, like the economist Tyler Cowen, whose

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<v Speaker 1>blog Marginal Revolution is the first thing I read every morning.

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<v Speaker 1>I particularly like Cowen's rule number seven, learn how to

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<v Speaker 1>learn from those who offend you every time you turn

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<v Speaker 1>a corner. Twelve rules the columnist Megan McCardell rule number three.

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<v Speaker 1>Always order one extra dish at a restaurant, an unfamiliar one.

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<v Speaker 1>You might like it, which would be splendid. If you

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<v Speaker 1>don't like it, all you lost was a couple of bucks.

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<v Speaker 1>The exercise of curiosity requires a risk, a sacrifice, a commitment.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that. Also, mccardle's rule number twelve. Always make

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<v Speaker 1>more dinner rolls than you think you can eat. For

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<v Speaker 1>some reason, dinner rolls loom much larger in our imaginations

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<v Speaker 1>than in our stomachs. Whoa Megan mccardal makes her own

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<v Speaker 1>dinner rolls. Everybody's doing twelve rules. Wait, I'm jealous. My

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<v Speaker 1>name is Malcolm Gladwell. You're listening to Revisionist History, my

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<v Speaker 1>podcast about things overlooked and misunderstood. This episode is about

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<v Speaker 1>Malcolm Gladwell's twelve Rules for a Living, my guiding principles.

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<v Speaker 1>My wisdom distilled. EXCEPT thought about this for like a month,

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<v Speaker 1>and I realized I don't have twelve rules. I just don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I have rules like the fact that I

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<v Speaker 1>only drink five liquids ever, water, tea, red wine, espresso,

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<v Speaker 1>and milk in some combination. But that's not a rule

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<v Speaker 1>for living. It's just pointlessly provocative. Self denial the least

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<v Speaker 1>attractive part of my personality. If you want a cocktail,

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<v Speaker 1>you should have a cocktail. I only have one rule,

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<v Speaker 1>pull the goalie.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you mean when you say you're obnoxious? Ah

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<v Speaker 3>the most specific.

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<v Speaker 4>If I found something funny which is still a disease

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<v Speaker 4>I have, I will say it, even if it's gets

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<v Speaker 4>me in some trouble. I never thought I was particularly cruel,

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<v Speaker 4>but I was a class cut up.

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<v Speaker 1>My one rule for living came to me from the

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<v Speaker 1>work of two people, Cliff Assness and Aaron Brown, both

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<v Speaker 1>philosophers of a sort and friends. This is Clifford Assnes.

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<v Speaker 1>He's in his mid fifties, bald Goate grew up middle class,

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<v Speaker 1>Jewish and Long Island.

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<v Speaker 4>I was in the honors classes, and I was the

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<v Speaker 4>cut up in the honors class. Whi's always a strange

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<v Speaker 4>thing to be. You don't think of those classes as

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<v Speaker 4>having one.

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<v Speaker 3>But we had him.

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<v Speaker 4>Wasn't always me too. We were not perfectly well behaved,

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<v Speaker 4>so obnoxious. I was tolerable, but I found myself extremely funny.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I should say that I didn't find Cliff Astness obnoxious,

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<v Speaker 1>he's delightful company. Instead, I suspect he is what psychologists

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<v Speaker 1>call disagreeable short digression. Psychologists believe that human personality can

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<v Speaker 1>be assessed along five dimensions extraversion, conscientiousness, neuroticism, openness to experience,

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<v Speaker 1>and finally agreeableness. My sense of Cliff Astness, he's at

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<v Speaker 1>the low end of that last trait number five. He's

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<v Speaker 1>low agreeable disagreeable, which is not the same as obnoxious.

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<v Speaker 1>It's rather the quality of not being depended on or

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<v Speaker 1>particularly interested in the approval of others. When I went

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<v Speaker 1>to interview Cliff Astness in Manhattan, I turned on my

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<v Speaker 1>digital recorder and discovered that my memory flash guard was full,

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<v Speaker 1>And after much fluster and fumbling, I realized I had

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<v Speaker 1>no idea how to delete any of the existing data

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<v Speaker 1>from the flashguard to make room for my interview with Asnes. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the rational thing would have been for me to hand

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<v Speaker 1>Asness the digital recorder and ask him to figure it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Because Cliff Astness has an IQ I'm guessing two to

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<v Speaker 1>three standard deviations higher than mine. He could have solved

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<v Speaker 1>the problem in about thirty seconds, but I didn't hand

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<v Speaker 1>on the recorder because I was embarrassed, because I worried

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<v Speaker 1>that he would think I was pathetic and that concern

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<v Speaker 1>was more important to me than actually fixing my tape

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<v Speaker 1>recorder issues. I am agreeable, I am interested in the

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<v Speaker 1>approval of others. I am the opposite of cliff Astness.

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<v Speaker 1>So I ended up running down forty second Street, two

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<v Speaker 1>cross down blocks to Staples to get another flashguard to

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<v Speaker 1>replace the one. I was too embarrassed to ask for

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<v Speaker 1>help figuring.

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<v Speaker 4>Out here you may include this is this is. This

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<v Speaker 4>is not a secret. I don't work as hard as

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<v Speaker 4>people think. I goof off a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>Cliff Astness likes puzzles, games, problems that engage the imagination.

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<v Speaker 4>I have been caught several times playing internet chess in

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<v Speaker 4>my office from people, and I say, caught. I'm the

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<v Speaker 4>senior guy at the firm. I don't, I don't, I

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<v Speaker 4>don't quit over this. But people come in and I'm like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>I gotta beat this guy, hold on more or lose.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not a great chess player.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't play conventional chess. He plays one minute chess,

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<v Speaker 1>known as bullet chess. If you're curious, this is what

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<v Speaker 1>a typical bullet match sounds like. It's like Einstein playing

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<v Speaker 1>ping pong. By the way, when Astnes says I'm the

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<v Speaker 1>senior guy at the firm, he's referring to the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that he heads a company called aq R Capital Applied

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<v Speaker 1>Quantitative Research, a hedge fund with two hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five billion dollars under management, which brings me to philosopher

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<v Speaker 1>number two, the second architect of the Pologuli principle, Cliff Astnes'

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<v Speaker 1>friend Aaron Brown. If we were to create a disagreeableness

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<v Speaker 1>scale where zero is like a golden retriever and ten

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<v Speaker 1>is mister Spock, Cliff Astness would be a solid seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Brown is an eight, maybe even an eight point five.

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<v Speaker 1>Brown is a member of the tribe of mathematically minded

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<v Speaker 1>finance guys known as quants. The Wall Street Quants used

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<v Speaker 1>to gather after work at the Odeon Restaurant in downtown

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<v Speaker 1>Manhattan to talk about Gaussian probability in the bond market.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, so there's different definitions of quant. So remember quant

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<v Speaker 5>is an insult invented in the mid nineties that became

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<v Speaker 5>adopted as a point of pride.

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Brown is a big guy beard, impassive demeanor. When

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<v Speaker 1>I met him, I was reminded of my favorite joke

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<v Speaker 1>about engineers. The optimist sees the glasses half full. The

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<v Speaker 1>pessimist sees the glass as half empty. The engineer wonders

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<v Speaker 1>why the glass is twice as large as it needs

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<v Speaker 1>to be. Brown grew up in Seattle. His mom had

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<v Speaker 1>a master's in chemistry. His dad had a PhD in physics.

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<v Speaker 1>Did a lot of unconventional work for the Air Force,

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<v Speaker 1>like the time he inherited a strange contraption.

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<v Speaker 5>The Air Force had even this guy like two million

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<v Speaker 5>dollars over ten years to build some machine, and they

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<v Speaker 5>didn't know what it was supposed to do, but they

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<v Speaker 5>know he was really smart. And then he killed himself,

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<v Speaker 5>and so the Air Force said, is there anybody who

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<v Speaker 5>wants this machine? You can figure out what it does

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<v Speaker 5>and fix it him. My dad said, chure, I'll take it,

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<v Speaker 5>and he had in our base learn.

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<v Speaker 1>A tortured genius builds a sinister contraption with millions of

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<v Speaker 1>dollars of secret Pentagon money. The man mysteriously commits suicide.

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<v Speaker 1>The Air Force says, who wants the machine? Aaron Brown's

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<v Speaker 1>dad says, over here, over here. He puts it in

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<v Speaker 1>his basement and says to his teenage son, Aaron, Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>take a look if you want, Like it's a box

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<v Speaker 1>of legos. This is how you raise a child to

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<v Speaker 1>be an eight point five?

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<v Speaker 3>What was the machine?

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<v Speaker 5>It was just this huge fish. I stared at that

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<v Speaker 5>thing for hours and hours. I couldn't have tubes and

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<v Speaker 5>wires and this and that. And he turned it on

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<v Speaker 5>and it did kind of you know, lights would light

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<v Speaker 5>up and do interesting things. But we never figured out

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<v Speaker 5>what it was intended to do. His note his notes

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<v Speaker 5>were indecipherable, and he burned some of them. So either

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<v Speaker 5>he was the guy who invented like the Universal Wonder

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<v Speaker 5>Machine and whatever, or he was just some crazy guy

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<v Speaker 5>who liked quit wires together.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the thing from that movie from Back to

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<v Speaker 1>the Future, the flat the flux capacitor.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, yeah, maybe he didn't. Maybe he teleported himself to

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<v Speaker 5>some other civilization or something.

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<v Speaker 1>When Aaron Brown was a teenager, Seattle was in the

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<v Speaker 1>midst of a deep recession. All around him, people are

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<v Speaker 1>losing their jobs. He decides he needs a marketable skill.

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<v Speaker 1>He teaches himself poker and finds a big money game

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<v Speaker 1>in the basement of a local tavern.

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<v Speaker 5>And I figured out two really important things. I was

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<v Speaker 5>much better than these guys. I could easily win money consistently,

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<v Speaker 5>and they let me win it and walk out with it.

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<v Speaker 5>You know, a kid comes in plays, walks out. So

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<v Speaker 5>that's like epiphany for me that says, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>You're how old?

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<v Speaker 5>Fourteen? But I was a shy kid. This took every

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<v Speaker 5>ounce of courage I possessed a walk in there. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>there are people who could have done this and it

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<v Speaker 5>wouldn't have been a big deal. But for me, it

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<v Speaker 5>was like the most traumatic event in my life. But

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<v Speaker 5>when I walked down, I said, Okay, I never have

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<v Speaker 5>to worry about getting a meal, you know, having a

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<v Speaker 5>place to stay because you always find a poker game.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you pay you way through Harvard with poker?

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<v Speaker 4>Yes?

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Brown ends up on Wall Street, then goes to

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<v Speaker 1>work for Cliff Astness at AQR Capital. Of course, a

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<v Speaker 1>match made in Heaven.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you guys think the same way? Do you have

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<v Speaker 3>differences in the way you approach problems?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, the massive difference and the reason he has billions

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<v Speaker 5>of dollars and I have a comfortable living. He cares

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<v Speaker 5>far more. He gets literally physically angry when things don't

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<v Speaker 5>work and lose money. I'd rather work on an interesting

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<v Speaker 5>problem than profitable problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Now what do these two do aside from making money?

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, they do thought experiments, write them up and

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<v Speaker 1>post them online on something called SSRN, the Social Science

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<v Speaker 1>Research Network, in my opinion, the greatest website on the Internet.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a place where anyone, anyone can post any kind

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<v Speaker 1>of paper or research or argument, and every article posted

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<v Speaker 1>is then ranked according to its popularity. As I'm writing this,

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<v Speaker 1>there are seven hundred and ninety eight seven hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>forty five papers on SSRN. I don't know if you remember.

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<v Speaker 1>Back at the beginning of this season an episode called

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<v Speaker 1>Divide and Conquer, I talked about my love of law

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<v Speaker 1>review articles. Well, where do you think I read law

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<v Speaker 1>review articles? Not in law reviews? Are you kidding? Why

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<v Speaker 1>would I wait two years for some dusty publication to

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<v Speaker 1>put something out. I read them on SSRN because that's

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<v Speaker 1>where everyone posts their articles the minute they finish. In Manhattan.

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<v Speaker 1>For years, the most important source of gossip was page

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<v Speaker 1>six of the New York Post. SSRN is page six

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<v Speaker 1>for Dorks, so not long ago. I'm on SSRN poking

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<v Speaker 1>around and lo and behold what is the number one

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<v Speaker 1>ranked paper at the time. Pulling the goalie Hockey and

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<v Speaker 1>Investment Implications by Clifford Astas and Aaron Brown. I thought

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't have any rules for living. I was wrong.

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<v Speaker 5>Pulling a goaltender down three so really giving a big

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<v Speaker 5>advantage on the power of flay with possession firmly a standler.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's the issue. You're playing hockey. Your team is down

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<v Speaker 1>by one goal late in the game. The coach of

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<v Speaker 1>the losing team typically removes his own goalie and substitutes

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<v Speaker 1>in an extra attacker. So instead of having five offensive

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<v Speaker 1>players and a goalie guarding the net, he now has

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<v Speaker 1>six offensive players and no one guarding his net.

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<v Speaker 4>That don't make him pay for it, I'm shorthanded goal.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a tradeoff. Pulling a goalie makes it easier for

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<v Speaker 1>the other team to score and put the game even

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<v Speaker 1>further out of reach, But at the same time, your

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<v Speaker 1>extra attacker increases your chances of scoring a goal and

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<v Speaker 1>tying the game. Now, if you watch hockey, you know

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<v Speaker 1>that coaches typically pull a goalie with a minute or

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<v Speaker 1>a minute and a half left in the game. But

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<v Speaker 1>that's just hockey tradition. It's not based on data. When

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<v Speaker 1>exactly should you pull the goalie?

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<v Speaker 3>Tell me the genesis of this paper I love so much.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, Well, Cliff and I talk a lot about sort

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<v Speaker 5>of quant sports stuff, and I have always been talking

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<v Speaker 5>to him about decisions that coaches make that are mathematically indefensible,

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<v Speaker 5>but you know, makes sense from the coach's motivation. And

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<v Speaker 5>specifically we were talking about Seattle Seahawks twenty fourteen Super

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<v Speaker 5>Bowl New New England Patriots. I got the ball on

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<v Speaker 5>the one yard line, second down, twenty six seconds.

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<v Speaker 6>To go, second in goal, Russell Wilson, what are you doing?

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<v Speaker 4>He gets picked up by the undrafted rookie free agent.

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<v Speaker 6>From Western Alabama, Malcolm Butler.

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<v Speaker 4>Who preserves the victory.

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<v Speaker 6>And it will leave everybody asking why in the world.

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<v Speaker 1>With marsha on in the back building, the Seahawks throw

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<v Speaker 1>the football twenty one reasons. At this point, Brown goes

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<v Speaker 1>on a tangent for maybe fifteen minutes about that particular play,

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<v Speaker 1>which has gone down in Super Bowl lore as one

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<v Speaker 1>of the worst coaching decisions in the history of football.

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<v Speaker 1>But Brown convinces me that in fact, it was the

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<v Speaker 1>right call, the rational call, and I would explain his

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<v Speaker 1>logic to you, except that we have much bigger fish

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<v Speaker 1>to fry. Anyway, talk turns to pulling the goalie in hockey,

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<v Speaker 1>and Cliff says to Aaron, Oh, I've done some work

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<v Speaker 1>on this already.

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<v Speaker 4>It's probably six seven years ago, man, five six years ago.

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<v Speaker 4>I wrote this model and xcept out of pure personal interest.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought I had a neat way to think about

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<v Speaker 4>the problem, and essentially it was it's really hard to

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<v Speaker 4>think about what five minutes left, but with ten seconds left,

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<v Speaker 4>it's really easy to think about.

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<v Speaker 1>Cliff shared his calculations with Aaron Brown. Aaron made them

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<v Speaker 1>better and built a beautiful computer model, and their conclusion

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<v Speaker 1>was a team down by one goal should pull its

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<v Speaker 1>goalie with five minutes and forty seconds left in the game,

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<v Speaker 1>and a team down by two goals should pull its

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<v Speaker 1>goalie with eleven minutes and forty seconds left. Eleven minutes

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<v Speaker 1>and forty seconds with an undefended goal. No one in

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<v Speaker 1>all of hockey pulls their goalie with that much time left.

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<v Speaker 1>If a coach did that in a playoff game with

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<v Speaker 1>real stakes involved, the entire arena would probably go up

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<v Speaker 1>in smoke. In basketball and baseball, there's been a statistical

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<v Speaker 1>revolution over the past generation known as moneyball, where advanced

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<v Speaker 1>metrics have been applied to maximize every aspect of the game.

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<v Speaker 1>Hockey is a step behind, with the exception of my

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<v Speaker 1>beloved Toronto maple Leafs, who if a genuine quant is

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<v Speaker 1>their leader. This is a sport where players pick fights

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<v Speaker 1>with each other in full knowledge of the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>the penalty for their transgressions will materially diminish their team's

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<v Speaker 1>chances of winning. Baseball is quantum theory. Hockey is the

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<v Speaker 1>grown up, professional version of Red Rover, Red Rover, let

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<v Speaker 1>Waying Gretzky come over. Hockey coaches are not looking for

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<v Speaker 1>strategic tips on SSRN, So what do they do? They

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<v Speaker 1>keep their goalie in place until the very last minute,

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<v Speaker 1>defending the goal. And why do they keep doing that?

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<v Speaker 1>Because anything else would be impossibly disagreeable. Imagine you're a

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<v Speaker 1>coach of a hockey team down three to one with

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<v Speaker 1>eleven minutes and forty seconds left in the game. You

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<v Speaker 1>pull your goalie. The other team scores, so now it's

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<v Speaker 1>for to one with half of the final period left,

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<v Speaker 1>and now your fans think that you've robbed them of

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<v Speaker 1>what might have been a reasonably interesting game. They'll hate

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<v Speaker 1>you and so your players, because it's an awful lot

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<v Speaker 1>more humiliating to lose a lopsided game than a close one.

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<v Speaker 4>The Cliff and Aaron strategy maybe, again inn our geeky sense, optimal,

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<v Speaker 4>but it doesn't provide the optimal or the maximum amount

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<v Speaker 4>of entertainment.

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<v Speaker 3>It is very high.

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<v Speaker 4>Probability you create a laugher where you get down by three,

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<v Speaker 4>down by four, And of course, if you follow Cliff

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<v Speaker 4>and Aaron's cold vulcan model you never put the goalie

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<v Speaker 4>back in. You're still an infinitesimal chance you will tie it,

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<v Speaker 4>and you lose fourteen to nothing. And it's embarrassing and

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<v Speaker 4>maybe entertainment in a side show kind of way, but

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<v Speaker 4>it's not what they want.

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<v Speaker 1>Who would try this or anything like it, Not anyone

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<v Speaker 1>who has any normal human expectation of being liked and applauded.

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<v Speaker 1>But do Cliff and Aaron need to be liked and applauded. No,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't. Astas founded his firm with a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>other PhD graduates from the finance department of the University

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<v Speaker 1>of Chicago, which is like the geek capital of the world,

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<v Speaker 1>and his basic hiring philosophy ever since has been to

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<v Speaker 1>hire more PhDs disagreeable quants just like him. He's now

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<v Speaker 1>up to seventy three PhDs. For comparison purposes, the economics

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<v Speaker 1>faculty at MIT has forty one PhDs at one point

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<v Speaker 1>seven eight x MIT and counting. Now does he need

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<v Speaker 1>that many PhDs? I have no idea, But how much

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<v Speaker 1>more fun is office life for insanely smart, disagreeable people

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<v Speaker 1>if at all times they are surrounded by dozens and

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<v Speaker 1>dozens of other insanely smart and disagreeable people circling each

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<v Speaker 1>other's arguments like vultures.

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<v Speaker 5>Which is going to be one of the watershed days

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<v Speaker 5>in financial market's history.

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<v Speaker 1>It was a manic Monday in the financial markets.

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<v Speaker 7>The Dow tumbled more than five hundred points after two

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<v Speaker 7>pillars of the Street tumbled over the weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember the start of the financial crisis in two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>and eight, when no one knew what to do as

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<v Speaker 1>stocks were falling in banks teetering on the brink, and

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<v Speaker 1>everyone was running around screaming for the Secretary of the

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<v Speaker 1>Treasury to do something. Aaron Brown told me that if

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<v Speaker 1>he had been Treasury Secretary, he would have done nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, he would have gone on vacation for a

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<v Speaker 1>few months, because the truth was no no one knew

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<v Speaker 1>what to do. And when no one knows what to do,

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Brown says, the rational thing is to wait until

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<v Speaker 1>you have the data you need before you start throwing

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<v Speaker 1>around trillions of dollars in bailout money. This is exactly

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of thing that someone with a disagreeable score

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<v Speaker 1>of eight point five would say. In times of panic,

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<v Speaker 1>the agreeable Treasury Secretary would want to be a calming presence,

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<v Speaker 1>to project stability and wisdom, to have others look at

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<v Speaker 1>him and nod approvingly and murmur something about the importance

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<v Speaker 1>of a firm hand at the tiller. But not Aaron Brown.

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<v Speaker 1>He doesn't care about Wall Street's feelings. He cares about

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<v Speaker 1>the trillion dollars people would be calling for his head.

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<v Speaker 1>He would be pullside in Boca, browsing SSRN on his BlackBerry.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, how great if we could all be as

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<v Speaker 1>disagreeable as Cliff and Aaron.

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<v Speaker 3>I suppose you were. Let me give you a hypothical scenario.

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<v Speaker 3>You have a plucky young team and inexplicably you have

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<v Speaker 3>ended up in the Stanley Cup Finals and you're up

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<v Speaker 3>against one of the great Pittsburgh Penguin teams in the

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<v Speaker 3>last couple of years. Would you consider pulling the goalie

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<v Speaker 3>to start the game?

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<v Speaker 5>I absolutely would love to do it, and I'd have

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<v Speaker 5>to do the math.

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<v Speaker 1>Do the math always, We'll be right back. A few

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<v Speaker 1>years ago a movie came out called No Good Deed,

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<v Speaker 1>starring Taraji p Henson as a woman named Terry and

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<v Speaker 1>the ridiculously handsome Idris Elba as Colin. No Good Deed

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<v Speaker 1>is a home invasion movie, and home invasion movies are

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<v Speaker 1>of a piece with pulling the goalie. They are meditations

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<v Speaker 1>on disagreeableness. Not to get pretentious, but both goalie pulling

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<v Speaker 1>and the home invasion genre are versions of the canonical

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<v Speaker 1>story of God commanding Abraham to kill his son Isaac.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorren Kirkgard wrote about it in Fear and Trembling. God

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<v Speaker 1>commands Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac to demonstrate his loyalty,

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<v Speaker 1>and the rational thing is for Abraham to obey God

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<v Speaker 1>because If God is all powerful, then Abraham's future and

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<v Speaker 1>the future of his family depend on being in God's

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<v Speaker 1>good graces. But how can he look his son in

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<v Speaker 1>the eye and then kill him. It's a disagreeableness test.

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<v Speaker 1>How much will you let the thought of what others

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<v Speaker 1>think of you and what you think of yourself get

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<v Speaker 1>in the way of doing what is right in the

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<v Speaker 1>eyes of God? On the one side is fear, on

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<v Speaker 1>the other trembling. This is exactly what goes on in

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<v Speaker 1>home invasion movies.

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<v Speaker 8>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Ami Lagos who wrote No Good Deed.

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<v Speaker 8>To me, that's at the core of why these movies

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<v Speaker 8>are interesting to people. Why the home invasion genre? You know,

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<v Speaker 8>it's an actual genre at this point, you know why

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<v Speaker 8>it persists.

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<v Speaker 1>I called Logos up after the Revisionist History research team

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<v Speaker 1>determined that No Good Deed was the most perfectly Kureka

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<v Speaker 1>guardian of all home invasion movies.

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<v Speaker 8>It puts you in these incredibly morally ambiguous situations where

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<v Speaker 8>the audience can see the direct path to success.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's the premise of No Good Deed. It's late

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<v Speaker 1>on a Friday night, raining hard. Terry is at home

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<v Speaker 1>with her two small children.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, finished.

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<v Speaker 1>The doorbell rings. It's interests Elba.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry. I don't mean to bother you.

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<v Speaker 5>I just lost Jola macaw as directed.

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<v Speaker 1>He says he's been in an accident and he forgot

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<v Speaker 1>his cell phone. Can he come in and use her phone?

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<v Speaker 1>She lets him in, Of course she does. He kind

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<v Speaker 1>of has to be insanely handsome. Yes, for that to work.

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<v Speaker 1>She's not gonna let me in if I show up

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<v Speaker 1>wet and bedraggled at one hundred and thirty pounds. She's

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<v Speaker 1>not like, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 8>I mean, I think maybe she would. I think ultimately, yes,

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<v Speaker 8>I think his insane good looks are a huge part

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<v Speaker 8>of that, and another, you know, another big part of

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<v Speaker 8>her character. You know, she's sort of been primed for

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<v Speaker 8>this moment in her life. Leading up to this moment, right,

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<v Speaker 8>she's feeling unseen, she's feeling unsatisfied in her marriage, she's

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<v Speaker 8>feeling neglected. This handsome stranger shows up and compromises her

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<v Speaker 8>her instincts, you know, on some level, because he so handsome.

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<v Speaker 1>It's awkward at first, but he's super charming. They flirt

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<v Speaker 1>a little waiting for the tow truck to come. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a whole lot of something in the air, and then

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<v Speaker 1>halfway into the movie she sees him for who he

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<v Speaker 1>really is, a deeply evil guy. She runs to the

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<v Speaker 1>kitchen to call the cops and sees that he's cut

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<v Speaker 1>the phone line. She looks around, terrified to see where

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<v Speaker 1>he's gone, can't find him. Then oh my god, runs

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<v Speaker 1>upstairs to find him playing with her daughter again.

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<v Speaker 4>Again. All right, let's do it.

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<v Speaker 6>Let's go and up.

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<v Speaker 4>Such a scare.

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<v Speaker 5>No, Ryan, Ryan, Baby, you gotta go to bed. Okay, Ryan,

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<v Speaker 5>and I just hav him some fun.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a lot we were No.

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<v Speaker 5>Come on, fuck a ball, it's past your ball time.

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<v Speaker 7>See.

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<v Speaker 1>Amy Lagos says she went to see No Good Deed

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<v Speaker 1>on opening night at a theater and ball Hills in

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles.

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<v Speaker 8>You know it was it was a really rousing I mean,

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<v Speaker 8>there were lines out the door to get in, and

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<v Speaker 8>the place was packed, and people were screaming and shouting

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<v Speaker 8>at the screen, and.

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<v Speaker 1>It was wait, what point do you remember what point

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<v Speaker 1>they're screaming?

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<v Speaker 8>I'm the entire after they get to back to the

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<v Speaker 8>house where Collins ex is murdered. I don't think I

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<v Speaker 8>could hear a word for that. The rest of the film.

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<v Speaker 8>From then on, it was just people screaming at her

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<v Speaker 8>what she should do.

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<v Speaker 1>And did they have well, I mean, what were the

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<v Speaker 1>range of things they were suggesting did they say? Were

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<v Speaker 1>they saying to her run.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, kill him?

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<v Speaker 6>You know?

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<v Speaker 8>It was like it was it was everything from like

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<v Speaker 8>run get out of there, to kill him, to you know,

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<v Speaker 8>to like just every everybody had their answer of what

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<v Speaker 8>she should do next, and they were one hundred percent

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<v Speaker 8>sure that's what she should do.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly what should Terry do? She's a baby and a

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<v Speaker 1>four year old. A psychopath is threatening her children. At

0:27:07.556 --> 0:27:10.956
<v Speaker 1>one point, she grabs are extinguisher and hits him over

0:27:10.996 --> 0:27:13.636
<v Speaker 1>the head and he tumbles down the stairs, but he's

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<v Speaker 1>Idris Elba. He gets back up. Later, Idris herds them

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<v Speaker 1>all into her car and they drive to another house.

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<v Speaker 1>On the way, they get pulled over by a cop.

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<v Speaker 1>He's suspicious, but Idris reaches into the back seat and

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<v Speaker 1>takes her baby into his arms, so Terry can't tell

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<v Speaker 1>the officers she's in trouble? Can she? What should she do?

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<v Speaker 1>I felt like I needed high level assistance, someone who

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<v Speaker 1>could put the home invasion dilemma into broader context. So

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<v Speaker 1>I called up Sam Harris, author, podcaster, neuroscientist, the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of person who would publish his own twelve rules, or

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<v Speaker 1>if pressed, maybe even twenty four.

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<v Speaker 6>So yeah, if someone breaks into your house, I mean

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<v Speaker 6>there are a few things that are relevant to flag there.

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<v Speaker 6>One is the time of day is relevant if someone

0:28:05.596 --> 0:28:07.716
<v Speaker 6>breaks in in the middle of the night and you

0:28:07.756 --> 0:28:11.476
<v Speaker 6>are there. Now you're talking about somebody who hasn't taken

0:28:11.636 --> 0:28:16.436
<v Speaker 6>any care to show up when you're not there. And

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<v Speaker 6>the kind of person who does this is the kind

0:28:19.916 --> 0:28:24.436
<v Speaker 6>of person who either doesn't care to find a person

0:28:24.516 --> 0:28:27.436
<v Speaker 6>in the house that he's breaking into, or finding a

0:28:27.476 --> 0:28:29.756
<v Speaker 6>person there is part of the fun, right, And so

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<v Speaker 6>this selects for the scariest kind of criminal.

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<v Speaker 1>That would be Idris Elba in no good deed.

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<v Speaker 6>You can't assume that this person has any ethics that

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<v Speaker 6>you can interact with profitably by bargaining, by pleading your case.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, this is just that's not who's coming through

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<v Speaker 6>the window in all likelihood.

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<v Speaker 1>Halfway through my interview with Sam Harris, I began mentally

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<v Speaker 1>calculating his score on the Disagreeableness Index. I'm thinking nine

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<v Speaker 1>point five.

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<v Speaker 6>And I must admit this is highly counterintuitive and perhaps

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<v Speaker 6>impossible to act on. But I mean, just think this through.

0:29:16.916 --> 0:29:20.956
<v Speaker 1>Sam Harris says, you have only one option. When Idris

0:29:20.956 --> 0:29:26.316
<v Speaker 1>elba is upstairs playing with your kids, that's your opportunity run.

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<v Speaker 6>Everything in us recoils at the idea of doing that,

0:29:33.916 --> 0:29:38.076
<v Speaker 6>except it does change the situation in a surprising way.

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<v Speaker 6>One It introduces significant uncertainty in the mind of your attacker,

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<v Speaker 6>because now he knows the clock is ticket. You'll be

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<v Speaker 6>summoning help in a matter of moments or minutes at

0:29:52.756 --> 0:29:58.916
<v Speaker 6>the longest. And then you know, we'll discover just what

0:29:59.076 --> 0:30:01.596
<v Speaker 6>sort of attacker this person is.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll discover just what sort of attacker this person is.

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<v Speaker 6>Now, if your concern is that he's going to kill

0:30:14.516 --> 0:30:18.196
<v Speaker 6>your child because you didn't follow instructions, well, then very

0:30:18.276 --> 0:30:19.796
<v Speaker 6>likely this is the sort of person who is going

0:30:19.796 --> 0:30:24.516
<v Speaker 6>to kill your child anyway, right, and kill you as well.

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<v Speaker 1>It's late in the third period, you're Taraji Henson. You're

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<v Speaker 1>losing down by a goal to a psychopath. Now running

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<v Speaker 1>away carries a huge social cost and a real risk

0:30:35.516 --> 0:30:38.716
<v Speaker 1>of an even more disastrous outcome, But at the same time,

0:30:39.156 --> 0:30:43.156
<v Speaker 1>it increases your chances of winning from zero to something

0:30:43.276 --> 0:30:47.796
<v Speaker 1>slightly greater than zero pull the goalie.

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<v Speaker 6>That is a totally rational option, and may in fact

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<v Speaker 6>be the only rational option.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's impossible, isn't it. You've got to be disagreeable

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<v Speaker 1>level eight or nine to pull that off.

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<v Speaker 6>I imagine how you will look to your child, or

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<v Speaker 6>to your wife, or to anyone else who's terrified and

0:31:04.596 --> 0:31:08.676
<v Speaker 6>looking in your direction for help if you just bolt

0:31:08.676 --> 0:31:11.316
<v Speaker 6>from the house at that moment. Uh, it's you know,

0:31:11.316 --> 0:31:14.196
<v Speaker 6>it's only when you come with the cavalry and rescue

0:31:14.196 --> 0:31:17.436
<v Speaker 6>everyone that you know, you seem like you were, you know,

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<v Speaker 6>wise and responsible. But in those moments, it just seems

0:31:20.236 --> 0:31:22.956
<v Speaker 6>like a total failure, and you know, may in fact

0:31:22.996 --> 0:31:24.036
<v Speaker 6>feel like a failure.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that sounds crazy. I thought he can't be right,

0:31:29.116 --> 0:31:32.436
<v Speaker 1>but he is right. The job of a parent being

0:31:32.476 --> 0:31:35.516
<v Speaker 1>held hostage by Idris Elba is not to win a

0:31:35.516 --> 0:31:39.716
<v Speaker 1>parental popularity contest. It is to maximize their child's chances

0:31:39.756 --> 0:31:43.596
<v Speaker 1>of survival. I try to convince Amy Lagos of this.

0:31:44.236 --> 0:31:48.596
<v Speaker 1>Amy Lagos, herself, the mother of two small children, wish

0:31:48.636 --> 0:31:53.156
<v Speaker 1>me luck. She should run without her children, like she

0:31:53.196 --> 0:31:55.436
<v Speaker 1>should just well, this is what I want to get.

0:31:55.476 --> 0:31:57.796
<v Speaker 1>This is totally what I want to talk about let's

0:31:57.836 --> 0:32:03.036
<v Speaker 1>think about this rationally, she what's he going to do

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<v Speaker 1>to the kids when she's not there? Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Right?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it any right? I mean, the only reason to

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<v Speaker 1>mess with her kids is to get leverage over her.

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<v Speaker 8>Well, not necessarily know what his motivation is, right, I mean?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, I mean he just could be just a psycho

0:32:23.356 --> 0:32:24.076
<v Speaker 1>standard issue.

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<v Speaker 8>Yes, I mean, I'm telling you. If I'm in my

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<v Speaker 8>house and I realize that there is somebody there is

0:32:32.796 --> 0:32:36.076
<v Speaker 8>a psychopath in my house, I am not leaving my

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<v Speaker 8>kids like you could. You could burn the house down

0:32:38.756 --> 0:32:39.876
<v Speaker 8>and I would stay with the kids.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, No. The fact that he's a psychopath is

0:32:45.276 --> 0:32:48.076
<v Speaker 1>exactly why you should leave your children behind. It's your

0:32:48.116 --> 0:32:50.676
<v Speaker 1>only chance to save them. Amy, Run for the love

0:32:50.676 --> 0:32:56.796
<v Speaker 1>of God, Rule number one for living pull the goalie.

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<v Speaker 1>In common law, there's a principle called duty to retreat,

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<v Speaker 1>which holds that a person being threatened as a duty

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<v Speaker 1>to retreat to a place of safety to exhaust all

0:33:12.996 --> 0:33:16.876
<v Speaker 1>avenue of escape before they can justifiably use force in

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<v Speaker 1>self defense. In the past several years, though about half

0:33:21.076 --> 0:33:24.876
<v Speaker 1>of American states have passed stand your ground laws. Now,

0:33:24.956 --> 0:33:27.236
<v Speaker 1>what's to stand your ground? Law. It's a law that

0:33:27.236 --> 0:33:31.636
<v Speaker 1>effectively repeals duty to retreat. It says you don't need

0:33:31.676 --> 0:33:34.836
<v Speaker 1>to exhaust all avenues of escape to claim self defense

0:33:34.916 --> 0:33:37.436
<v Speaker 1>in a court of law. You can stand your ground,

0:33:37.836 --> 0:33:42.916
<v Speaker 1>defend yourself, and the law will support that choice. Duty

0:33:42.956 --> 0:33:46.316
<v Speaker 1>to retreat is a legal principle that gives people license

0:33:46.436 --> 0:33:50.156
<v Speaker 1>to act disagreeably. I am not a coward if I

0:33:50.196 --> 0:33:53.436
<v Speaker 1>cut and run the first opportunity. I am, in fact,

0:33:53.796 --> 0:33:59.236
<v Speaker 1>acting morally and responsibly. Stand your ground laws sanction the

0:33:59.276 --> 0:34:03.556
<v Speaker 1>Socially Agreeable Act. They say, what matters is that you

0:34:03.836 --> 0:34:07.116
<v Speaker 1>preserve your honor in front of family and community. I

0:34:07.236 --> 0:34:12.876
<v Speaker 1>did not run. I stood ground. So what's happening in

0:34:12.916 --> 0:34:16.556
<v Speaker 1>those states that now have stand your ground laws? Well,

0:34:16.596 --> 0:34:21.276
<v Speaker 1>I refer you to stand your ground laws. Homicides and Injuries,

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<v Speaker 1>Journal of Human Resources, Summer twenty seventeen.

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<v Speaker 7>I think overall, we found about a seven and a

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<v Speaker 7>half seven point seven percent increase in the overall homicide rate.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Chandler McClellan, adjunct professor at American University, first author

0:34:39.076 --> 0:34:42.356
<v Speaker 1>of the study in question. States that pass stand your

0:34:42.356 --> 0:34:46.396
<v Speaker 1>ground laws saw their murder rates rise seven point seven

0:34:46.476 --> 0:34:50.076
<v Speaker 1>percent compared to states that didn't pass those laws.

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<v Speaker 7>Well, the fact that the homicide rate increases in these

0:34:53.676 --> 0:34:58.076
<v Speaker 7>cases suggests that that's not the case. That people were

0:34:58.196 --> 0:35:02.236
<v Speaker 7>using these laws and standing their ground in cases where

0:35:02.676 --> 0:35:06.236
<v Speaker 7>they're actually not being lethally threatened. They could de escalate

0:35:06.276 --> 0:35:09.436
<v Speaker 7>the situation, they could get away, but instead the using

0:35:09.516 --> 0:35:12.876
<v Speaker 7>to engage in self defense and use lethal force against

0:35:12.916 --> 0:35:16.316
<v Speaker 7>this threat. And as a result, you're seeing this kind

0:35:16.356 --> 0:35:19.716
<v Speaker 7>of net increase in homicide rates.

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<v Speaker 1>And who are all these extra people getting killed in

0:35:22.356 --> 0:35:24.996
<v Speaker 1>standard ground states? White men?

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<v Speaker 7>I think our estimates kind of show about twenty percent,

0:35:28.236 --> 0:35:32.236
<v Speaker 7>twenty five percent increase in homicides among white males. And

0:35:32.716 --> 0:35:35.396
<v Speaker 7>actually that seems a little.

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<v Speaker 1>High, middle high. It's a huge dunburn.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, exactly, it is. But nevertheless that's kind of what

0:35:43.756 --> 0:35:47.636
<v Speaker 7>that's what fell out the modeling. Yeah, Yeah, we speculate

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<v Speaker 7>that because the white male population is the population this

0:35:53.076 --> 0:35:57.036
<v Speaker 7>most interested in the gun culture, more likely to be

0:35:57.116 --> 0:36:01.556
<v Speaker 7>members of organizations like the NRA, Because white males are

0:36:01.636 --> 0:36:04.716
<v Speaker 7>so entrenched in this sort of culture, we think that

0:36:04.796 --> 0:36:08.236
<v Speaker 7>these laws are most salient for them, and as a result,

0:36:08.756 --> 0:36:11.596
<v Speaker 7>they're most aware of them and they're most likely to

0:36:11.676 --> 0:36:12.916
<v Speaker 7>act on them.

0:36:13.156 --> 0:36:16.396
<v Speaker 1>So a certain kind of white guy who is really

0:36:16.396 --> 0:36:19.916
<v Speaker 1>into guns and the NRA gets super excited about stand

0:36:19.956 --> 0:36:22.956
<v Speaker 1>your ground laws and instead of looking to avoid violence

0:36:23.036 --> 0:36:26.116
<v Speaker 1>or run away, grabs his gun and stands his ground.

0:36:26.796 --> 0:36:29.996
<v Speaker 1>That is, right before the other guy shoots him dead.

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<v Speaker 1>Tragic astic is the is the most appropriate word, but

0:36:36.116 --> 0:36:39.636
<v Speaker 1>the other word disappropriate here is ironic that the NRA

0:36:39.956 --> 0:36:44.156
<v Speaker 1>is has been pursuing a policy agenda with stand your

0:36:44.156 --> 0:36:46.916
<v Speaker 1>ground that has the effect of getting its own members killed.

0:36:49.636 --> 0:36:51.596
<v Speaker 7>It is a little ironic and.

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<v Speaker 1>Figuring out when to pull the goalie or what to

0:36:56.676 --> 0:36:59.996
<v Speaker 1>do when Idris Elbas shows up late at night seem

0:37:00.116 --> 0:37:05.836
<v Speaker 1>like abstract intellectual exercises. They are not. They are rehearsals

0:37:06.076 --> 0:37:10.036
<v Speaker 1>for real life, because being disagreeable, well when you need

0:37:10.036 --> 0:37:14.636
<v Speaker 1>to be disagreeable, is hard, especially because the world around us,

0:37:14.996 --> 0:37:18.916
<v Speaker 1>the crowd in the stands, the short sighted lawmakers. They

0:37:18.996 --> 0:37:23.396
<v Speaker 1>encourage us to do the easy and agreeable thing, which

0:37:23.436 --> 0:37:27.276
<v Speaker 1>gets us killed, pull the goalie.

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<v Speaker 4>I have an aunt, She's Australian who once a year

0:37:32.476 --> 0:37:35.396
<v Speaker 4>calls me to ask when she should convert her Assi

0:37:35.516 --> 0:37:38.836
<v Speaker 4>dollars to wherever she's going that year on vacation. For

0:37:38.876 --> 0:37:42.236
<v Speaker 4>about ten years, I explained ant Cynthia. You know, we

0:37:42.276 --> 0:37:45.396
<v Speaker 4>do have views on currencies, but their micro views, they're

0:37:45.476 --> 0:37:48.076
<v Speaker 4>fifty one percent chance of being right, let alone on

0:37:48.116 --> 0:37:51.436
<v Speaker 4>a given day. So I'm loath to give this to you.

0:37:51.596 --> 0:37:53.636
<v Speaker 4>And she'd always act like I knew the answer. I

0:37:53.716 --> 0:37:54.756
<v Speaker 4>just refuse to tell her.

0:37:55.396 --> 0:37:59.316
<v Speaker 1>Year after year, his Australian aunt called and Cliff refused

0:37:59.316 --> 0:38:03.236
<v Speaker 1>to help her. Then one day Cliff asked us, realized

0:38:03.556 --> 0:38:06.236
<v Speaker 1>he didn't have to always be disagreeable.

0:38:06.836 --> 0:38:09.596
<v Speaker 4>She'd say, when should I convert my my ass to

0:38:09.676 --> 0:38:13.316
<v Speaker 4>Japanese yen? And I'd go, not this, but next Thursday,

0:38:15.236 --> 0:38:22.156
<v Speaker 4>and everyone was happy. She I was lauded for giving

0:38:22.156 --> 0:38:25.356
<v Speaker 4>her the truth. She was happy because she really feels

0:38:25.396 --> 0:38:28.316
<v Speaker 4>she knows what she's doing. She never checks before or after.

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<v Speaker 4>And I did not harm her one drop because nobody

0:38:31.716 --> 0:38:33.276
<v Speaker 4>knows what day to do it, and she was always

0:38:33.276 --> 0:38:34.796
<v Speaker 4>going to do it on some arbitrary day.

0:38:34.996 --> 0:38:36.876
<v Speaker 3>I just picked the arbitrary day.

0:38:37.156 --> 0:38:39.556
<v Speaker 4>So there's a case of maybe it's so optimal, but

0:38:39.596 --> 0:38:43.356
<v Speaker 4>I picked a high EQ if not IQ solution.

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<v Speaker 3>You were protecting your reputation as opposed to just.

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<v Speaker 4>Making my aunt not mad at me.

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<v Speaker 1>He could be cliff astness polar of goalies. He could

0:38:52.796 --> 0:38:57.476
<v Speaker 1>also be Cliff Astna's dutiful nephew. Malcolm glad Bell's first

0:38:57.556 --> 0:39:01.196
<v Speaker 1>rule for living poll a goalie, but be wise enough

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<v Speaker 1>to know that disagreeableness is not a matter of temperament,

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<v Speaker 1>It is a choice. I'd love that you take calls

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<v Speaker 1>from your aunt about currency and what did he say next?

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<v Speaker 4>Anyone who's successful that won't take calls from their crazy

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<v Speaker 4>aunt is no friend of mine.

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<v Speaker 1>Malcolm Gladwell's second rule for living. Two Down, ten to go.

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<v Speaker 1>Revisionist History is a Panoply production. The senior producer is

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<v Speaker 1>mil Obel with Jacob Smith and Camille Baptista. Our editor

0:39:43.596 --> 0:39:47.716
<v Speaker 1>is Julia Barton. Lawn Williams is our engineer. Fact checking

0:39:47.756 --> 0:39:51.956
<v Speaker 1>by Beth Johnson. Original music by Luis Garra. Special thanks

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<v Speaker 1>to Andy Bauers and Jacob Weisberg. I'm Malcolm Gladwein.

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<v Speaker 3>What makes you a good poke player?

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<v Speaker 5>Two things. There's just the basic math and theory, which

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<v Speaker 5>I mean why once anybody can learn, but if you're

0:40:15.556 --> 0:40:18.516
<v Speaker 5>quiet you can learn it. But the real thing that

0:40:18.596 --> 0:40:22.956
<v Speaker 5>sets ship part is something I think you have to

0:40:22.956 --> 0:40:25.076
<v Speaker 5>do by traditional wisdom. You have to learn this in

0:40:25.116 --> 0:40:27.996
<v Speaker 5>your teens. While your brain is still forming and you

0:40:28.036 --> 0:40:30.796
<v Speaker 5>have to do it under in can sleep deprivation. So

0:40:30.836 --> 0:40:33.596
<v Speaker 5>we do these seventy two hour sessions with maybe a

0:40:33.596 --> 0:40:38.396
<v Speaker 5>few powered amps in between, and you pushing every sense

0:40:38.436 --> 0:40:40.196
<v Speaker 5>you have in the world, sometimes more than every sense

0:40:40.196 --> 0:40:41.556
<v Speaker 5>you have in the world in the middle of the pod.

0:40:42.476 --> 0:40:47.036
<v Speaker 5>And that developed certain mental abilities that the way I

0:40:47.076 --> 0:40:49.836
<v Speaker 5>think about it is, I think you managed to harness

0:40:49.876 --> 0:40:53.756
<v Speaker 5>the processing power of your unconscious brain so that you

0:40:53.796 --> 0:40:56.196
<v Speaker 5>are not staring at people in the table and sort

0:40:56.196 --> 0:41:00.436
<v Speaker 5>of you know, enumerating tells to you that person, you know, moods, chit.

0:41:01.236 --> 0:41:04.836
<v Speaker 5>Your unconscious brain is so much better at noticing what

0:41:04.916 --> 0:41:07.516
<v Speaker 5>people do, kind of like blink, you know, you just

0:41:07.636 --> 0:41:10.556
<v Speaker 5>look at somebody and you don't know he holds the

0:41:10.596 --> 0:41:12.636
<v Speaker 5>ace and jack you know, it's not doesn't tell you that,

0:41:12.756 --> 0:41:16.596
<v Speaker 5>but it says this guy is afraid to lose, or

0:41:17.036 --> 0:41:20.836
<v Speaker 5>this guy is afraid of being bluffed. And it tells

0:41:20.836 --> 0:41:23.116
<v Speaker 5>you what they're going to do if you do something.

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<v Speaker 5>So it tells you when you can push and they're

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<v Speaker 5>going to fold, or when you can draw them in

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<v Speaker 5>and they're going to go high.

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<v Speaker 1>This outtake goes on for a long time. If that

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<v Speaker 1>bothers you. I don't care anymore.

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<v Speaker 5>It is a curse. I would never recommend to somebody

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<v Speaker 5>do it. Yes, you can make money from it, but

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<v Speaker 5>it strips away a lot of illusions. Right, It's a

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<v Speaker 5>lot more pleasant in life to believe that there are

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<v Speaker 5>things like love and friendship and honor once you're ruthlessly

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<v Speaker 5>strip all that away and just look very objectively how

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<v Speaker 5>people act. There's probably something that psychopaths do. The world's

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<v Speaker 5>a bleak place, so it's kind of a dangerous road

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<v Speaker 5>to go down.

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<v Speaker 3>Do you feel like you went down that road? Yeah? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>how did it affect your life?

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<v Speaker 5>What it meant is that you're bleak, You're just kind

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<v Speaker 5>of you know, you don't really trust anybody in a

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<v Speaker 5>sense you trust them, you know what they're going to do,

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<v Speaker 5>and because you know what they're going to do, it

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<v Speaker 5>just h I guess it almost makes you treat them

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<v Speaker 5>like robots that you can predict what they're going to do,

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<v Speaker 5>you know their program, and therefore you can't really trust that.

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<v Speaker 5>There's a lot of in friendship and honor or anything

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<v Speaker 5>like that. So that's one of the reasons to move

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<v Speaker 5>to finance. I actually moved from poker to sports betting,

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<v Speaker 5>and then to finance