1 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to Savor production of I Heart Radio. 2 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 1: I'm Annie Reese and I'm Lauren voc Obam, and today 3 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:17,560 Speaker 1: we have an episode for you about mulberries. Yes, the 4 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: fruit that I thought was a miss something out of fantasy. Nope, Nope, 5 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: it's real. That's what I've gone to find out. And 6 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: many listeners wrote in about it after I said that 7 00:00:29,840 --> 00:00:32,199 Speaker 1: I thought it was a myth um, but also people 8 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: wrote in about it before. Uh, seems to have captured 9 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: many people's imagination and attention. Yeah, it's a very nostalgic 10 00:00:40,760 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 1: thing for for some people because in climates where it grows, 11 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 1: it is very prolific and you can just kind of 12 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: like shake a tree and get a whole bunch of 13 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: like a little handful of berries as you're walking somewhere. 14 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: And ah, yeah, um, for sure, for sure, I am 15 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:03,279 Speaker 1: doing this. Reading made me miss my previous home here 16 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: in Atlanta, which had a side yard with um with 17 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:11,000 Speaker 1: a whole bunch of more or less wild mulberry trees 18 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,600 Speaker 1: in it. And so every every summer there would just 19 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,720 Speaker 1: be yard berries. There would just be so many yard berries, 20 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,520 Speaker 1: and I would just like, especially during the shutdown last summer, 21 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: I didn't really feel comfortable going anywhere, so I would 22 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,639 Speaker 1: just be like be like doing laps around the yard 23 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: and like picking berries and um, yeah, and did you 24 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: do with them? Mostly I froze them because it was 25 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:41,480 Speaker 1: like cups and cups and cups and cups of berries. Um. 26 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: But I also just poured wine over a bunch of 27 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: them and had like mulberry sangria. I'm not sure if 28 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: it counts if it's like two ingredients, but I think it. 29 00:01:53,760 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: I think it counts. Also this made me rem number 30 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: that UM. While I was I got to travel to 31 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: England about ten years ago. UM, and I was staying 32 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:13,639 Speaker 1: mostly in reading and the fourteenth century abbey that happens 33 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: to be smack in the middle of what is otherwise 34 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: more or less a a very nice strip mall um 35 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: kind of town. Um. There's this fourteenth century abbey and 36 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: it had this beautiful century plus old mulberry tree that 37 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: was really creepy. It looked like it was about to 38 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: like start like walking across the lawn at you, like 39 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: a like a like a Tim Burton creature, um unicorn. 40 00:02:38,440 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, and and I and I and so 41 00:02:40,880 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: I looked this tree up and it turns out it 42 00:02:43,800 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 1: collapsed recently, and so they've got a team of arborists 43 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 1: out there trying to help it. But I had to 44 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: just cut myself off from going down a really deep 45 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: dive about this one tree and what's been being done 46 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:00,640 Speaker 1: about it. So anyway, Forberry Park, mulberry tree, I hope 47 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:04,880 Speaker 1: you're doing okay, are thoughts are out? Yeah, we're all 48 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:10,160 Speaker 1: we're all rooting for you, pun absolutely intended, because that's 49 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: where our love comes from. That's how we show it. 50 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 1: So that's how you know we're really we're really rooting 51 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: for you. Um. But Okay, in the meantime, I guess 52 00:03:22,240 --> 00:03:32,480 Speaker 1: that brings us to our questions. Mulberries What are they? Well, 53 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: mulberries are a type of fruit that grows on trees 54 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: in the genus morris Um. There are a whole bunch 55 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: of species and varieties and they can generally all cross 56 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: pollinate and still produce viable seeds. So when I say mulberry, 57 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: any number of y'all out there might be thinking of 58 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: a slightly different thing. But but basically, um, a mulberry 59 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: is like a small, fragile BlackBerry that grows on tall, woody, 60 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: sturdy plants. Instead of a short, delicate viney or shrubby plant, 61 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:05,560 Speaker 1: which confused me because of the rhyme. Oh sure, yeah, 62 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: I just gave a very vicious point. You did you 63 00:04:08,840 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: did I feel shake? It's not like I'm not attacking you, Lauren, 64 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,760 Speaker 1: but you happen to be the source of my iron 65 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:20,480 Speaker 1: at this moment. All around the mulberry bush. Who will 66 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 1: discuss they they can they can be more shreub like 67 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: in some circumstances, but okay, okay, allow me to allow 68 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: me to explain all alright, So, so mulberry trees can 69 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 1: vary in height from around a fifteen feet that's about 70 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,239 Speaker 1: five ms up to about seventy feet that's about twenty 71 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: The roots are generally pretty shallow, though, so it's best 72 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:41,839 Speaker 1: to keep them on the short side if you can. 73 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 1: Um they often grow these these real thick branches off 74 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,679 Speaker 1: of a short trunk um and and then from those 75 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: thick branches, smaller kind of tangly branches will shoot off, 76 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,799 Speaker 1: and they developed these tiny clusters of tiny flowers, which, 77 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: when pollinated grow we individual fruits that vultron together into 78 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:08,280 Speaker 1: a single multilobed mass. On the flower clusters, single stem 79 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: um botanically speaking, Therefore, they are not berries. Um. They 80 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 1: are tiny droops UM. That is a tiny single seed 81 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: fruits that have blobbed together for for for safe keeping. 82 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 1: Kind of UM. It's a it's It's likely that this 83 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:29,000 Speaker 1: evolved to make the joined cluster of fruits more attractive 84 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: to birds than just the single tiny fruit would have been. UM. 85 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 1: And this worked. By the way, I always had to 86 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: fight birds from my yard berries. It was it was 87 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: a losing battle. I have to say. It was about 88 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:44,880 Speaker 1: to ask. I'm envisioning this. It's giving me a lot 89 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 1: of joy. I don't think it's probably it probably wasn't 90 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: as cool as you're thinking. It was like I feel 91 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 1: like like in Annie's mind escape right now, it's like 92 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: it's like Lauren like jumping and punching birds like that 93 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: wasn't that wasn't what happened. Honestly, I feel like I'm 94 00:06:02,040 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: someone who finds joy and coolness and very um. Not 95 00:06:06,080 --> 00:06:11,239 Speaker 1: too insult you, Lauren in this case, but minor things. Uh. So, 96 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 1: I'm just envisioning you were like birds. Now you get here, 97 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:24,680 Speaker 1: I've warned you about this before being completely ignored and 98 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: then being like tweet yea, more berries, more berries, both 99 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: are excellent both. Yes, the mulberry is actually related to 100 00:06:39,520 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: figs and breadfruit and jackfruit, which are also masses of 101 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: many small fruits. Just figs are inside out instead of 102 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:52,279 Speaker 1: being outside out. Yes. You can see our episodes on 103 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: those for more about those. Um. But yeah, a mulberry 104 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 1: will start out pale green and then ripe in um 105 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 1: if it is a female fruit to creamy white or 106 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 1: pink or red or purple or near black. Some varieties 107 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 1: are short and kind of roundish. Others grow long, like 108 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: the size and shape of a pinky finger. And yes, 109 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 1: the resulting fruit canberry. UM. My experience with them is 110 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: that they're yeah, just just so delicate and like in 111 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:20,080 Speaker 1: like squitchable. Um. But they taste bright, sort of like 112 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: a slightly grapy, sweeter strawberry or raspberry um, like like 113 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:30,000 Speaker 1: sweet end of a of a raspberry, hard end of 114 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: a strawberry. I don't know anyway, Um. Yeah, tend to 115 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: be pretty juicy and finger staining there everything staining. Um. 116 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: The sidewalks around town are like poke dotted with mulberry 117 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: stains every summer. Um. The trees will grow in temperate 118 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 1: climates all over the world. They like having a little 119 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: bit of a winter. Um. The berries can be eaten 120 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: out of hand or made into jams and jellies, baked 121 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,560 Speaker 1: into sweet quick breads, used for pies, made into juice 122 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 1: or wine. UM. Some species and varieties, especially the wild ones, 123 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: can be pretty seedy um like as in the deeds 124 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: are prominent um. Not like they're hanging out at dive 125 00:08:03,000 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: bars waiting to shark you in a game of pool. UM. 126 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: So your your Your applications may vary from from tree 127 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: to tree. Um. The leaves are sometimes used as well, 128 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: um dried and then steeped in hot water to make tea, 129 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: and leaves and fruit can also be used for for 130 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:24,280 Speaker 1: livestock feed in some places. Yes, yes, um, Okay, Well 131 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:28,280 Speaker 1: what about the nutrition. Mulberries are pretty good for you 132 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: on their own, good punch of fiber along with their sugars, 133 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: smattering of vitamins and other micronutrients that you will help 134 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 1: fill you up, but to keep you going param with 135 00:08:36,760 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 1: some protein and some fat. Um. There are compounds um 136 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: both in the berries, especially the darker purple ear berries 137 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: UM and in some of the non fruit parts of 138 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: the mulberry plant that are under investigation for a number 139 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: of promising potential properties um anti diabetic, anti microbial, anti cancer, 140 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: pro cardio health. But as always, bodies are complicated. More 141 00:09:03,640 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: research is necessary before ingesting a medicinal amount of anything. 142 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: Consulted doctor who is not us. Eat a vegetable, Eat 143 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 1: a vegetable. Drink of water. Yeah always. Also, mulberry tree 144 00:09:19,600 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 1: bark contains some latex, so just watch out for that 145 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:27,800 Speaker 1: if you have in latex allergy. Yes, yeah, um, we 146 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: do have some numbers for you, we do. Um. There 147 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,679 Speaker 1: are some sixty eight species within the Morris genus and 148 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:39,920 Speaker 1: thousands of cultivated varieties. Yes, there's however, not a lot 149 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: of trade in mulberries because they are so delicate they 150 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: don't really keep her ship well and thus have really 151 00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:48,400 Speaker 1: only started to be explored for commercial production of fruit 152 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 1: over the past like twenty years or so. UM. That said, 153 00:09:52,600 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: as of the US imported nearly three point four million 154 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:02,080 Speaker 1: pounds of frozen bulberries um and China is the top 155 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: grower of mulberry trees by far. India has less than 156 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: half as much acreage as they do, and they come 157 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: in second. Um. But but these trees are not necessarily 158 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:18,440 Speaker 1: being grown for the mulberry fruit that is true, and 159 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: that is quite an interesting part of the history. Yes, 160 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: and we are going to get into that history. But 161 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: first we are going to get into a quick break 162 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: for a word from our sponsor, and we're back. Thank 163 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: you sponsor, Yes, thank you. Okay. So, depending on the 164 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: mulberrying question, there are a lot of origin places and 165 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: dates sure up in the air. White and black mulberries 166 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: are believed to have originated in Asia and or the 167 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 1: Middle East at least five thousand years ago, where it 168 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 1: was used medicinally for some brees. Red mulberries are thought 169 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:06,640 Speaker 1: to be native to North America. UM mulberry seeds excavated 170 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: near Rome indicate Asian Romans were growing bite mulberry trees 171 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: because like you said, Lauren, Um, these berries don't keep 172 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:16,719 Speaker 1: very long and they're kind of delicate. Um, so they 173 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: probably weren't imported. So the fact they found these there 174 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 1: suggest that yeah, exactly, Um. From seeds like this, historians 175 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:29,040 Speaker 1: have also determined that mulberry trees were growing in London 176 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: by the fifth century CE, if not before. Also, aside 177 00:11:34,040 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 1: as a researcher, very interesting to me that England in 178 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: specific has a lot like data and research on mulberries yeah, 179 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: it's a it's a whole cultural phenomenon. I love it 180 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: me too. Also got me thinking about have an each 181 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 1: time this is I think this is part of why 182 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: I thought it was out of fantasy. It's because so 183 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:01,040 Speaker 1: many in the nursery rhyme and right yeah, yeah exactly. Um. 184 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,840 Speaker 1: Early Greek and Roman writers described mulberryes, including our pal 185 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: plenty um, so they were writing about them both medicinally 186 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: and culinarily. According to some archaeological evidence, the history of 187 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: silk production in China, where silk production is believed to 188 00:12:16,520 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 1: have been invented, goes back somewhere between three thousand and 189 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:23,960 Speaker 1: seven thousand BC. And Okay, if you're curious, like like, 190 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:28,120 Speaker 1: why are we talking about their right, um? But it 191 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:31,840 Speaker 1: kind of has Lauren alluded to the mulberry tree, and 192 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: especially white mulberry tree, which was native to this area, 193 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: was huge in feeding silkworms to produce yeah yeah, um 194 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: mulberry leaves, and specifically the leaves of the whitemulberry um 195 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: are apparently just their favorite food exactly. So this was 196 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,600 Speaker 1: kind of an episode where it got hard to tease 197 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 1: out the talking about the history of silk versus talking 198 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: about history mulberry. Um. But yes, China did dominate this 199 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 1: industry and kept their secret of how they did it 200 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 1: for thousands of years. But yes, this is a food show. 201 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:13,840 Speaker 1: The history of silk is overwhelming. I tried to like 202 00:13:13,960 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 1: do the wrangle on it, and then I was like, yeah, 203 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: it's um. That's that's definitely a whole other suite of 204 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 1: episodes for a whole other suite of of shows that 205 00:13:28,400 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 1: are probably not ours. Um. But generally speaking, um, the 206 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: the white mulberry that is preferred for for silkworm feed 207 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: is not as popular as a berry producer or a 208 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: fruit producer, I should say. Um. Also, hey, fun times 209 00:13:45,280 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: with the nomenclature um. The particular species um uh that's 210 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: called white mulberry, and even its taxonomical name is is 211 00:13:54,280 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: m alba. It does not necessarily produce white colored fruit. 212 00:13:59,080 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: They can They can be red or purple or pink. Um. Also, 213 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: the red mulberry, which is the natively American mulberry, can 214 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: be purple. The black mulberry is usually black. But you know, 215 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: weird stuff happens. So again I'm annoyed, but I can 216 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: also relate because I'll take these kinds of shortcuts all 217 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: the time. Yep yep, yep yep. Um Mulberry trees are 218 00:14:24,040 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 1: planted at monasteries throughout England, often used for their shade. Unfortunately, 219 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: during the sixteenth century, when Henry the Eighth broke with 220 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: a Catholic Church so he could divorce Catherine of Aragon, 221 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 1: many of the monasteries and abbeys were ransacked, including the 222 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: air mulberry trees. In the history around those mulberry trees, 223 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: but still the trees were very favored amongst the aristocracy, 224 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 1: who sometimes used it used them as a way to 225 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: showcase how much better off they were when compared to 226 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: everyone else, including Queen Elizabeth the First. I got in 227 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:03,320 Speaker 1: on that game. Cool. Yeah, and again, since these berries 228 00:15:03,360 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: didn't last long, it meant you had to grow them 229 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: for yourself to impress folks with like you hadn't have 230 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: your own yeah yeah, oh no, no no, no, I 231 00:15:11,640 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: got my own tree. Yeah. Mulberry leaves were also used 232 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: in making silk in Europe, beginning at least in the 233 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,400 Speaker 1: thirteenth century in Italy and by the fifteenth century in France, 234 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: perhaps as early it's the fifth century in Spain. With 235 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:29,800 Speaker 1: the arrival of the Arab civilization there, um. These industries 236 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,480 Speaker 1: used black and white mulberry leaves to feed silk worms. 237 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: In fact, from sixteen o seven to sixteen o eight, 238 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: King James the first requested that nobility plant ten thousand 239 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 1: or when hundred thousands I saw in subsources and I 240 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: almost made that mistake. So I was like, did everyone 241 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: just make the same mistake I almost did? Or I 242 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: don't know. It's it's I mean, either way a lot. 243 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 1: There's a big difference there, but it's still a lot. 244 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:59,360 Speaker 1: I would say. Either way, yes, plant this huge number 245 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: of mulberry so England could compete in Europe's silk industry. However, 246 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,280 Speaker 1: the industry didn't really take off in that country, partially 247 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:11,000 Speaker 1: because most people planted black mulberry trees, which don't produces 248 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,080 Speaker 1: fine of silk when it comes to silkworm feed as 249 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: white mulberry trees. So King James and or his advisers 250 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,080 Speaker 1: thought the climate might be the issue there, so he 251 00:16:22,120 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: had them planted in the colony of Virginia, and the 252 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: tree did flourish there, but was not a commercially successful 253 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 1: venture for England. It did make money, um, but didn't 254 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:37,720 Speaker 1: really didn't really take off. Yeah, yeah, apparently there was 255 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: a law pasted in sixteen sixty two UM by the 256 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: by the British Empire saying that plantation owners in UM 257 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: North America had to have at least ten mulberry trees 258 00:16:51,640 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: per a hundred acres of land, or they could be 259 00:16:53,960 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: fined ten pounds of tobacco. Oh However, plantations producing at 260 00:17:00,720 --> 00:17:04,359 Speaker 1: least a thousand pounds of silk were eligible to receive 261 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: a bonus five thousand pounds of tobacco, so incentive stlers 262 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: of Catan. Before the Revolutionary War Georgia, the state perhaps 263 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: obviously processed silk for the British Empire, and even earlier 264 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: in the mid fifteen hundreds, Spanish conquistador Hernando de Soto 265 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: wrote about the southeastern North American Muskogee people eating dried mulberries. Um. 266 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 1: They also baked, baked them in corn bread, and use 267 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: them for dies. I've read that the dyes very potent 268 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:45,399 Speaker 1: and powerful and staining. Um. Other Native American people's dried 269 00:17:45,440 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 1: them for winter, to mix them with water to make 270 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: jams or sauces, among other things. Use them for a 271 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: bunch of stuff. Yeah, yeah, I read that. Down south 272 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,440 Speaker 1: and what's now Florida, Seminole people used the branches of 273 00:17:55,520 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: making bows uh um and six five any Protestants fleeing 274 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:05,040 Speaker 1: religious persecution arrived in England um and many of whom 275 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:10,119 Speaker 1: were silk weavers, along with imported silk so not you know, 276 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,919 Speaker 1: English English soap. But they were able to get the 277 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: industry going in England by the seventeen hundreds without mulberry leaves. Again, 278 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 1: it was so hard to separate out the history of 279 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 1: silk from the history of mulberries. Very very tight end. Yes, 280 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 1: General Oglethorpe transported five hundred white mulberry trees to Georgia 281 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: with the idea of using them to make silk, and 282 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: seventeen thirty three. That same year, naturalist William Bartram wrote 283 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: that all landowners in North American colonies should grow white 284 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: mulberry trees for the silk industry. Thomas Jefferson has some 285 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,239 Speaker 1: planted allegedly every twenty ft. I think it was called 286 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: mulberry row um. The website of Monicella was very helpful 287 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: with all of this, by the way, so cool. After 288 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 1: becoming president of Yale College in seventeen seventy eight, Ezra 289 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: Styles pressed the staff to plant an acre of mulberry 290 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: trees for each of their children, because silk had quote 291 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:14,120 Speaker 1: ever claimed the attention of the best and most cultivated minds. Yes, 292 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:17,800 Speaker 1: he didn't stop there either, handing out mulberry seeds and 293 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 1: silkworm eggs all over New England. He often wrote about silk. 294 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:26,160 Speaker 1: He Morris silk grow from his own creation, his own 295 00:19:26,480 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: silk that he had made to Yale's commencement address in 296 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: seventeen eighty nine. And he wasn't the only proponent of silk. 297 00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: It was also popular as a lighter load when it 298 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: came to work for women, children, and those who were ill. 299 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: Some abolitionists suggested it as a way to avoid cotton 300 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: produced by enslaved peoples. The belief was that putting these 301 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:51,720 Speaker 1: groups to work would increase productivity but also keep them 302 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:57,000 Speaker 1: from getting into trouble due to boredom a k a 303 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:02,880 Speaker 1: increased productivity equal to increase morale. These ideas really got intertwined, 304 00:20:03,400 --> 00:20:07,960 Speaker 1: and so this mulberry tree was almost seen as a 305 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: moral thing. Yeah. Amy Shambliss wrote about this in the 306 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: nineteen sixties. It could be carried on in orphanages, poorhouses, 307 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:21,000 Speaker 1: and institutions of correction, and thus cut public expenses and 308 00:20:21,040 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: lower taxes. It supposedly gave a spiritual uplift to all 309 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 1: engage in it by reminding them of how much beauty 310 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: comes into the world through a plane looking worm. She 311 00:20:32,359 --> 00:20:35,360 Speaker 1: went on to clarify that most states north of Virginia 312 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,440 Speaker 1: subsidized silk raising. The Secretary of the Treasury released a 313 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:43,919 Speaker 1: manual about the industry in and in eighteen thirty six. 314 00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: John Quincy Adams suggested silk growth as a way to 315 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: decrease reliance on imports because of how quickly mulberry cuttings 316 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,800 Speaker 1: could multiply per year. He said that the mulberry tree 317 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:57,680 Speaker 1: could put the farmer on the same playing field as 318 00:20:57,720 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 1: the capitalist. Uh huh. So silk was all the rage 319 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: in the eighteen thirties. In fact, it was reported to 320 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: the U. S Department of Agriculture that quote, suddenly, and 321 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 1: by a simultaneous and spontaneous impulse, the people of the 322 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 1: United States have directed their attention to this source of 323 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 1: national riches. Everywhere, from north to south, mulberry trees have 324 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 1: been planted and silk worms raised. And it was like 325 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: such a big deal. There were so many articles written 326 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:30,359 Speaker 1: about how was the silk bubble um. But people even 327 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 1: sold fraudulent silkworm eggs. And all of this meant that 328 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:41,320 Speaker 1: people rushed to get into this mulberry silk business. Some 329 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: early entrepreneurs made five to one thousand percent profits. The 330 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: mulberry trees themselves became more attractive than the silk trees 331 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: purchased increased exponentially in value by the eighteen thirties, rising 332 00:21:54,600 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: one hundred times from five dollars per one hundred trees. Oh, 333 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 1: I know, but this all ended in eighty nine when 334 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: a credit contraction convinced small buyers to sell. The Next 335 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: year there was a freeze damaged a lot of trees, 336 00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: a lot of berries, and a few years later there 337 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 1: was a blight did the same thing that really was 338 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 1: the nail in the coffin of this country's mulberry industry. 339 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 1: There were some attempts to reverse this. California government officials 340 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: issued a bounty for silkworm cocoons and mulberry trees. And yes, 341 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 1: I did think of the Mandalorian spinoff of this, and 342 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: perhaps I'll share it one day. However, the finances of 343 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: all of that became too much by eighteen sixty seven, 344 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,360 Speaker 1: and the bounties were revoked, but several cocooneries popped up 345 00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:55,320 Speaker 1: across the state and and around the country. The trees 346 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,720 Speaker 1: didn't make a comeback, and in some places, certainly um 347 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: like to the point that day the white mulberry, which 348 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: was the one that was being imported for silk related purposes. Um, 349 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: is considered invasive today, right. Yeah. A lot of articles 350 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: were written about how basive is Yeah, okay, so really 351 00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:20,520 Speaker 1: really briefly because I had to know. The rhyme pop 352 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 1: goes the Weasel originated in the eighteen fifties in England, 353 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,440 Speaker 1: and this version did not include the line I am 354 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: familiar with all around the mulberry bush. Um, is that 355 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 1: how you've heard it? That's how I've heard it too. Yeah, yeah, 356 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,119 Speaker 1: all around the mulberry bush the monkey chased the weasel 357 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 1: exactly exactly. Apparently that line was one of the US variations. Also, 358 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,080 Speaker 1: apparently the song is about pawning off your suit at 359 00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:52,399 Speaker 1: the end of the night to pay for drinks, or 360 00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: maybe not at all. That's what the popular kind of 361 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,199 Speaker 1: understanding of it is. But other kind of history and 362 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,920 Speaker 1: this were like, no, it probably didn't mean that. Um. 363 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 1: It might have just been catchy and a fun song 364 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:10,119 Speaker 1: like a fun drinking song, histories, mysteries, and one of 365 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: the possible reasons given for this U S variation of 366 00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: all around the mulberry bush is that in the nineteenth 367 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 1: century mulberry trees did become associated with economic prosperity and 368 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: moral productiveness in the United States. So that's interesting. I'd 369 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: love to hear from listeners because there there's a lot 370 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:38,800 Speaker 1: of versions of this, apparently, all very fascinating. Okay, uh cool, yes. Um. 371 00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: In nineteen eighteen, mulberries were reported growing in Bermuda. They 372 00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: were probably going before then, but that's when our written 373 00:24:45,520 --> 00:24:51,120 Speaker 1: record says that they were reported. Um. For D Day, 374 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 1: the US and UK constructed two artificial harbors to make 375 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 1: sure there would be a steady supply of soldiers and 376 00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:03,360 Speaker 1: resources for this World War two well known of it. Um. 377 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 1: These harbors were called Mulberry A and Mulberry b. Um. 378 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a reason for it. Yeah. The websites 379 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: did not give me it readily, but I'm sure yeah. Um. 380 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 1: The British leather goods brand Mulberry started up in in Somerset. Um. 381 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: The name and the tree logo I'm still used today. 382 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:32,960 Speaker 1: Um was inspired by yeah, trees in the area that 383 00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:36,399 Speaker 1: the founder had walked by as a child going to school. 384 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:43,840 Speaker 1: Huh okay. Research published in two thousand nine found um okay. 385 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: So they were looking into why silkworms like mulberry leaves 386 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: so much, and they found there's a compound in there 387 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:56,159 Speaker 1: that apparently just smells real attractive two silkworms, and that 388 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,320 Speaker 1: is why they prefer the mulberry to other plants. And 389 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: it's this compound that that smells like jasmine. Oh yeah, 390 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: of course. I don't know why I was moved by that. 391 00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 1: It was It's just such a beautiful scent, and I'm like, oh, 392 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 1: we we have the same common silk worms. We are 393 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: the same. The Baltimore Orchard Project launched Mulberry Madness in 394 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:32,320 Speaker 1: to raise awareness around mulberries UM, trying to change their 395 00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 1: reputation from invasive past to a desired crop. At the 396 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 1: same time, they pointed out that Middle Eastern immigrants were 397 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 1: introducing their cuisine to the United States, especially the Washington, 398 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 1: d c. Area. I believe um, and this cuisine often 399 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: used mulberries, and that that was helping popularize this ingredients 400 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: cool um yeah and uh and right now, um. The 401 00:26:57,119 --> 00:27:01,560 Speaker 1: University of Minnesota has a project called the Mysterious Mulberry 402 00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: to log and identify or I guess identify and then 403 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: log um red versus white mulberry trees, um and hybrids 404 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: thereof citizen science. I love it too. Yeah you can. 405 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: You can google Mysterious Mulberry if you want to read 406 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: more about it or get in on the action. Yeah, 407 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: please do. Let's get this savor. I know you listeners 408 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,119 Speaker 1: can help out with this effort. Mysterious Mulberry also really 409 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 1: easily lends itself to our food cartoon comic series. Oh yeah, yeah, 410 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,119 Speaker 1: there there has to be a cape involved. Oh yeah, 411 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,960 Speaker 1: I'm faturing, like what's his name, like mighty Duck, Dark Duck, 412 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:46,399 Speaker 1: dark wing Duck. Yeah, that's definitely what I was picturing. Yes, 413 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: we're on the same yes, yes, but in the meantime, 414 00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: please illustrate it listeners, should you desire. But also, um, 415 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: that's what we have to say about them bears for now. 416 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,680 Speaker 1: But we do have some listener mail for you. We do. 417 00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:05,480 Speaker 1: But first we've got one more quick break for a 418 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 1: word from our sponsor. And we're back. Thank you, sponsored, Yes, 419 00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:27,639 Speaker 1: thank you, and we're back with this. It's hard to 420 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:33,159 Speaker 1: do all around it is I and apologies I like 421 00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: immediately or like like after, like when I figured out 422 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 1: what you were doing, I just started laughing instead of 423 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: doing it along with you. Sometimes not my art inspires laughter. 424 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,960 Speaker 1: It's it's a serious laughter, but a laughter. And on 425 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 1: the left, Uh, that was that was a good one. 426 00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:02,120 Speaker 1: That was a good one. You're welcome o um delia 427 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: or perhaps dahia. I hope I'm pronouncing it correctly, wrote 428 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: I just got done listening to your aquafaba episode and 429 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: loved it. I am vegan and have used it in 430 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,720 Speaker 1: various quick breads too much success. I also enjoy frying 431 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 1: them up with tumeric and Himilian black salt to get 432 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 1: an egg like color and sulfuric taste, respectively. Like you, 433 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: I was surprised to learn how recent this vegan staple is. 434 00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 1: I perhaps foolishly thought using it was a much older 435 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: thing than food blogs had recently quote discovered. I recently 436 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:34,440 Speaker 1: listened to many episodes of your show in a long 437 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: car ride with my partner, and we have too fairly 438 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,719 Speaker 1: pressing episode request. But of course we understand y'all are 439 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: busy and have a list of colorious pressing here refers 440 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,360 Speaker 1: to our excitement. Keep doing what you're doing. Thank you, 441 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:56,880 Speaker 1: Your show is wonderful. I a microbiology PhD student and 442 00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,240 Speaker 1: longtime sour dough bread baker, and I love list into 443 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: your show while I bake, and of course, the microbiologist 444 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 1: in me gets super excited anytime a fermentation episode comes up. 445 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: During my most recent bake, I got to thinking how 446 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: cool a rye bread episode would be. Many people myself included, 447 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,760 Speaker 1: feed their sour dough starter rye flower specifically as it 448 00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: is less processed and microbial ly rich. Rise also the 449 00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,000 Speaker 1: grain that many early colonizers of eastern North America brought over, 450 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: and not to mention the integral aspect of many amazing sandwiches, 451 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: could be a really cool episode. Second request is in Jarra. 452 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: We recently enjoyed a transcendentally delicious meal from a local 453 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,560 Speaker 1: Ethiopian restaurant here in Ithaca, and I realized I know 454 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:48,240 Speaker 1: very little about this lovely bread. Oh two, I mean 455 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: a all the bread's. Yes, we should do episodes on 456 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: be those are two uh yeah yeah, very specific, super different, 457 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:04,240 Speaker 1: incredibly delicious types of bread. Yes, I'm excited about learning 458 00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 1: more about both of those. I remember very vividly the 459 00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: first time I have in Jarra. I had in Jara. 460 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,400 Speaker 1: It was also transcendental. It was amazing. Absolutely, Yeah, I 461 00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 1: had some I had some really really really good Ethiopian 462 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: um food when I was out in New Orleans a 463 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: couple of months ago, and in those Halicon days when uh, 464 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: when we didn't know about the Delta variant yet. Um. 465 00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 1: But yeah, oh okay, yeah, this this, this listener mail 466 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:39,280 Speaker 1: is making me hungry. Yees ye, Perhaps we should move on. 467 00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: Michelle wrote, I was so excited about the corn dog episode, 468 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,040 Speaker 1: and when you mentioned Cozy Dog, I was grinning ear 469 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: to ear. You see, Cozy Dog is about three hours 470 00:31:50,920 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: south of where I live, and it's a tradition for 471 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: my husband and I to stop there for corn dogs 472 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: on our road trips. It's the first official stop before 473 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: going on towards wherever we're bound. If you're are in Springfield, Illinois, 474 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: don't miss Cozy Dog. I've attached some photos I've taken 475 00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: while visiting there. You order corn dogs in quantities of 476 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: like four or six, and fries come into basket. Go 477 00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: with your appetites. I hear you being reluctant to eat 478 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 1: corn dogs. There are good ones, okay ones, and mal ones. 479 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: Good ones are hand dipped and fried at the restaurant. 480 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,000 Speaker 1: Ones are frozen and in the grocery store freezer. Don't 481 00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,520 Speaker 1: eat those. Okay ones are generally those fried by restaurants 482 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: but not dipped there. And now there are exceptions to these. 483 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 1: For instance, if you're looking for a place to safely 484 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,040 Speaker 1: try a corn dog, go to Sonic and get some 485 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: corn dog bites. Their nugget sized corn dogs, so you 486 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: eat with your hand, no stick. They're even good without 487 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,960 Speaker 1: any sauce. That's how I like them, and they're so yummy. 488 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,320 Speaker 1: My favorite corn dog ever was a foot long corn 489 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: dog at a local county fair. I'm sure I looked 490 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: silly carrying it around and eating it, but it was 491 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,560 Speaker 1: so worth it. Fair food is the best. And then 492 00:32:56,800 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 1: a follow up. Okay, so i'm e because my poor 493 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: memory caused me to give you an incorrect tip. In 494 00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,440 Speaker 1: my previous email, I mentioned corn dog bites It's Sonic, 495 00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: but misremembered that it was actually an an W drive 496 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: in restaurant where we had them recently. I'm sure if 497 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: Sonic has them that they're good too, but I couldn't 498 00:33:12,840 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: let it go until I corrected myself. I'm not sure 499 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,880 Speaker 1: if you'll have any an W restaurants down there. They're 500 00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:23,280 Speaker 1: pretty rare these days, but a favorite of mine. Uh yeah, 501 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: I believe that Sonic does indeed have corn dog bites. Um, 502 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: and I don't think we have any anws around here there. 503 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: They're a restaurant. I have a fast food joint anyway 504 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: that I have a lot of nostalgia for from road 505 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: trips when I was living in Ohio and Pennsylvania as 506 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:43,000 Speaker 1: a tiny kid. Um. But lots of lots of root 507 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:48,000 Speaker 1: beer floats were had on those trips. But but no 508 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: corn dog bites, no, no, no, no corn dog bites 509 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,000 Speaker 1: that I remember at the time. I honestly don't remember 510 00:33:53,000 --> 00:34:02,640 Speaker 1: eating food other than yeah, um goodness, okay, okay, okay. 511 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 1: I I will real hard against anything and everything at 512 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,960 Speaker 1: any given moment um. But but that being said, I'm 513 00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 1: always willing to try everything, Like, even if it's something 514 00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,399 Speaker 1: that I know I don't like, I'll be like, yeah, sure, 515 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: why not? Yeah same, And this could be the time 516 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: Dr Pepper related then get it away from Yeah. Yeah, 517 00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:27,719 Speaker 1: well it's probably my big exception. We all have our limits. Yeah, 518 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: you've got to have one minute at least. And I 519 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: will say I really appreciate this corn dog expertise. I 520 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:40,800 Speaker 1: appreciate the breaking down also the foot long fair corn dog. 521 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's the beauty of the fair. That's 522 00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,920 Speaker 1: the beauty of these foods that probably don't taste good 523 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: in any other environment, but in that environment, Oh sure, yeah, yeah, yeah, 524 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: because you're you've been you've been walking around, You're you're 525 00:34:56,040 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: you're hungry and thirsty, and there's all the smells and 526 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: sounds and lights and uh yeah, you know you've got 527 00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: you've got funnel cake and one nostril and and and 528 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: yeend and all that just excess of your like, oh man, yes, 529 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna eat so much. Yes, I find that a 530 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:18,680 Speaker 1: very powerful memory. Actually, that the smell, and it's kind 531 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:20,440 Speaker 1: of that smell that I've been saying that I think 532 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:22,640 Speaker 1: that's what I don't like is the old oil. But 533 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,120 Speaker 1: I do have an acellagic for that cell of like 534 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:30,560 Speaker 1: this was associated with so many fun events from being 535 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: at like fair grounds or whatever and getting these kind 536 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:40,839 Speaker 1: of ridiculous dudes that were wonderful. Yeah, excitement, excitement makes 537 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: everything taste better, for sure, that is true. Um and 538 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 1: We're always excited to hear from you listeners. Thanks to 539 00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 1: both of these listeners for writing in. 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