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Speaker 1: We remember your truth teller in the dark days of

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Speaker 1: part of the MAHA approach to America make America healthy again.

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Speaker 1: I saw your op ed in the Washington Post on

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Speaker 3: Good to be with you guys. You know, we are

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Speaker 3: Well, I think this is a time for us to

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Speaker 1: What should people know, Doctor McCarey, and he's the head

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show.

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Speaker 2: Okay, our thanks to doctor Martin McCarey. Buck.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna tell you this is going to be

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Speaker 1: Welcome back into Clay and Buck. That's all right, it's

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Speaker 1: it's neither, and you're like, okay, that's that's not let's

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00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 1: not just pretend that ultimatum didn't happen. Some of you

437
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 1: may have had this in your job experiences before. Right,

438
00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,399
Speaker 1: you may have said, you know, I'm working with him, Uh,

439
00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 1: it's gonna be me or him or me and her whatever. Yeah,

440
00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:57,439
Speaker 1: I will tell you once in my life at a

441
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 1: job at age, not radio, I will say that, not

442
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:06,399
Speaker 1: a radio job. Once in my life I did have

443
00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 1: to have a conversation where I was like, it's either

444
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 1: it's either him or me, and I was told, uh,

445
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:17,040
Speaker 1: it will be him, but not for six months. And

446
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:21,080
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I'm out. So I actually it's

447
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: an ultimatum that I've had to give myself. So I've

448
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:25,880
Speaker 1: been there by the way. Sometimes it's the right I've made.

449
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 1: I don't regret it at all. It's the right move.

450
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 2: And they didn't en up fire. They did end up

451
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 2: firing the guy.

452
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,440
Speaker 1: But they didn't fire him fast enough. So I say

453
00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: that I'm out. A situation before, which is somewhat similar

454
00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,160
Speaker 1: where you're interviewing for jobs and you're like, hey, this job,

455
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: this is twenty years ago, this job offered me X.

456
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:46,280
Speaker 2: Can you match X.

457
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,800
Speaker 1: They're like okay, we'll think about it, and then they

458
00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 1: come back and they're like nope.

459
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 2: Then you're kind of like, okay, well either I can.

460
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 1: They're kind of calling your bluff right like, so you

461
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 1: got to be careful sometimes you're negotiating, because you can

462
00:24:59,119 --> 00:25:01,440
Speaker 1: end up negotiating yourself. But did you have that other

463
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,520
Speaker 1: offer or were you just oh yeah, okay totally And

464
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,440
Speaker 1: they had offered more money. But it was eye opening

465
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 1: and important because if somebody can't match the offer that

466
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 1: somebody else has made for your services.

467
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 2: It may be that they just don't value you that highly.

468
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 2: Sometimes it's the.

469
00:25:17,560 --> 00:25:19,760
Speaker 1: Company's not doing well enough, and maybe you can look

470
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 1: at that and look, but if you are set to

471
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,880
Speaker 1: make more money at another job and you come back

472
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:26,640
Speaker 1: and you're like, hey, this is the offer I got,

473
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 1: Can you match it? Can you get close? And they

474
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 1: say no, kind of makes your decision easy. And so

475
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,479
Speaker 1: that's not the same scenario if he has to go

476
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: or she has to go, or I'm leaving. Uh, but

477
00:25:37,040 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 1: it is a tough spot. And I have managed and

478
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: as a business I've had situations where people have said

479
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,040
Speaker 1: to me, Hey, if this guy stays employed, then I'm leaving.

480
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 1: It's got to be one or the other of us.

481
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 1: And that's now it appears where Trump may be. Has

482
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,440
Speaker 1: that ever been a tough call for you to make

483
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,439
Speaker 1: or have you always known you can go buddy, or

484
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:58,240
Speaker 1: oh no, don't worry, the other guy's going.

485
00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. Has it ever been a

486
00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 2: close call or has it been a clear call? Every time?

487
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 2: It's happened several times.

488
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: Honestly, as a manager, I feel like in media it

489
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 1: happens more for me.

490
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:08,800
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, media people are hissy, you know,

491
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 2: we get.

492
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 1: There's a lot of like petty fights that happened in

493
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:17,040
Speaker 1: via lots of egos and lots of not gonna stun you, narcissism,

494
00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: meglomania sometimes like this is not a media universe, is

495
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: not necessarily a well conditioned, normal job universe. I mean,

496
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 1: I will say, in that other job, by the way,

497
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,120
Speaker 1: it was, it was it was me or my boss

498
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,840
Speaker 1: all the time. And that's a that's a bold play

499
00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: to go like, hey, do you have to yeah, and

500
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: and they were like no, no, no, you're right, and

501
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: and but it will happen, but it won't happen for

502
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 1: a while. And I said not good enough and I left.

503
00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's a that's a thing that you got

504
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: to be. By the way, if that goes against you,

505
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 1: you definitely can't stay because if you come for the

506
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,680
Speaker 1: boss or your immediate boss, your immediate supervisor, and uh,

507
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,680
Speaker 1: and that doesn't go you do not you do not

508
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,720
Speaker 1: want that person writing your performance reviews going forward, that's

509
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: for sure.

510
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 2: Okay, So let's go into this. You are President Trump.

511
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 1: President Trump is headed to Texas right now, to deal

512
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 1: with real serious stuff, that is the flood and the aftermath.

513
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 1: And the president doesn't get very many light things on

514
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: his desk, right, It's like serious things, all, Hey, what

515
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,399
Speaker 1: are we gonna do with Russia Ukraine?

516
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 2: What are we gonna do with Israel?

517
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 4: Iran?

518
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 2: What are we gonna do? A dilemmas? What are we

519
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 2: gonna do.

520
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 1: With the ice agents being shot at potentially in California.

521
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: I would imagine that one of the things about being

522
00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: president is nobody ever comes in and just says, hey,

523
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: I only have good news for you, sir. Hey, it's hey,

524
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 1: here's just a I've got a ton of rainbows that

525
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 1: just alighted out. Let's just all have fun. It's always

526
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,720
Speaker 1: there's a new issue. How does Trump handle this? Because

527
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 1: he may well feel that the Epstein mess that he

528
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,360
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with it, and that this predated him,

529
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,400
Speaker 1: and that other people have made messes of the Epstein investigation,

530
00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: and he is just stepping into essentially a huge minefield.

531
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: But if your top FBI people and your top attorney

532
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,240
Speaker 1: general and your attorney general are going head to head,

533
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: now this's a big deal. The FBI provides the evidence

534
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: and the investigations that allow the Department of Justice to

535
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: prosecute The Attorney General is the head of the Department

536
00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,440
Speaker 1: of Justice. If they aren't getting along, then their ability

537
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: to execute the agenda that you believe is important for

538
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 1: the American people is not going to work. Well. Leave

539
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: aside the Epstein investigation for a second. This is a

540
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,200
Speaker 1: major interpersonal conflict. And so if he is truly being

541
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,080
Speaker 1: asked to choose one or the other, I don't know

542
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 1: what he does. I don't know what you guys would

543
00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: do if you are the managers right now. And I

544
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 1: think it comes down to this is how I would

545
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: assess it. And I'm curious as a manager who's had

546
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 1: to make a decision like this many times before. Sometimes

547
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: you can go purely personal relationships. But to me, what

548
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: I would look at and say, Okay, who is better

549
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: at their job? Who is more indispensable to me right

550
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 1: now at their job?

551
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 2: If I have to.

552
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: Choose between the two, I'm going to take the person

553
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: who is the best at his or her job and

554
00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: tell the other person they have to go now. I'd

555
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: prefer never to have to make that decision. So I

556
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 1: think that's a question for Trump is where does this

557
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:25,520
Speaker 1: rank in the larger universe for him, how does he

558
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: assess all of this? And by the way, remember either

559
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: way this is going to create a bigger mess around

560
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: the Epstein because if you fire your attorney general over it,

561
00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: a lot of people are going to say, Okay, now

562
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 1: we can finally get all these files.

563
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 2: Pam BONDI was in on the cover up.

564
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,680
Speaker 1: If your FBI guy walks out, a lot of people

565
00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 1: are going to say, wow, he's standing on principle there

566
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 1: is a cover up.

567
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 2: And he won't countenance it.

568
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,120
Speaker 1: And this threatens I'm just gonna be honest with you,

569
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 1: This threatens to turn into the kind of political in

570
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: fighting that all of the media in DC that hates

571
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: Trump is going to love because it delegitimizes his ability

572
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: to get everything's done. You've talked about this before, and

573
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 1: I think it's well said, Buck. The process is the punishment.

574
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:18,239
Speaker 1: As soon as this was all about Russia collusion, it

575
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 1: wasn't that it was true.

576
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 2: It was that it was so.

577
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: Time consuming that it distracted from Trump's ability to execute

578
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,440
Speaker 1: other parts of his agenda. My concern now with the

579
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: Epstein mess, Look, do we want pedophiles in prison? Yes,

580
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: like just like we want cancer salt like this is

581
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 1: not no one who's arguing on the Epstein cases like,

582
00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: oh we want people who committed crimes against children not

583
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: to be punished. Leave that aside. It's about the larger

584
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: context of the Trump agenda. How much does Epstein the

585
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: case matter relative to everything else. This is where it

586
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: could start to derail other things that are otherwise I

587
00:30:54,040 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 1: think more important forward thinking as opposed to looking backwards.

588
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: We got one of our VIPs here, just it. We're

589
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: gonna I mean, we're getting inundated, just so you know,

590
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: in real time, with with emails from VIPs, with phone calls,

591
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: with talkbacks, and they're pretty much all on this. So

592
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: I this is I want to talk immigration policy, and

593
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:15,120
Speaker 1: I'm a parent. I'm getting I'm getting voted down on that.

594
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 1: I mean, here, this is from one of our VIPs.

595
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 1: This has been Epstein. This has been a complete PR nightmare.

596
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: Pam Bondy, along with Cash and Dan should have done

597
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: a presser laying out explaining everything. By the way, I

598
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: said that on the first day, I said that the

599
00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: memo was complete. That was idiocy, Okay, putting out that

600
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: memo on a Sunday from a PR I'm not even

601
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 1: talking cover upper conspiracy. I'm just you don't put out

602
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: a memo on a Sunday that is just like yeah,

603
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 1: nothing to see like that was a disaster.

604
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 2: That was dumb.

605
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: But okay, here a VIP says, Unfortunately, now we're at

606
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 1: a point. I believe if Pam is not fired, then

607
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: Dan or Cash will resign. A full accounting is required.

608
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: Get this behind us. There are more important issues out there,

609
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: like full deportation. Uh you know co sign on that.

610
00:31:57,080 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: I you know that's that's about saving the entire country.

611
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: Uh for you know, keeping it as America. Clay, Yeah,

612
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: I think I think one of them is gonna one

613
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: of them is gonna go one way or another. I

614
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,080
Speaker 1: think that much is clear. Something's got to give here,

615
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: someone's gotta go. I don't know who it's gonna be,

616
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 1: but there's problems. This is a problem. Look, I think

617
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: I always look at this from the assessment of who

618
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 1: has created the biggest error, and we don't know obviously

619
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:30,520
Speaker 1: everything to me, Pam BONDI giving those influencers binders and

620
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: saying hey, this is a part of the Epstein files,

621
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 1: and then there was nothing in them, and it was

622
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: a huge like how do you make that decision right? Ultimately,

623
00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: all high end jobs are about decision making. There is

624
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: no if I were Attorney general, God forbid, there's no

625
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,000
Speaker 1: way I'm bringing in a bunch of influencers and giving

626
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: them I.

627
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 2: Think you'd be I think you'd be a pretty good AG.

628
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:54,800
Speaker 2: I you know I would.

629
00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: I wouldn't sell yourself short there. But look at the

630
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: humility from Clay all of a sudden, I think you'd

631
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: be pretty good AG. I'm not getting any ideas here,

632
00:33:03,040 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: by the way, we need you hear, but I'm just

633
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: saying I think I would just have looked at the

634
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,680
Speaker 1: optics on that, and I would have said, this is

635
00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 1: insanely dumb. What are we putting in these binders? Why

636
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: are we parading around people with Epstein file binders that

637
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 1: have nothing in them? Like this is basic blocking, tackling stuff,

638
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: understanding how the media works, how stories work, and that

639
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: just is such a mess that to me is the

640
00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: biggest unforced error. And then speaking inarticulately about what's on

641
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 1: your desk and what is not. To me, it is

642
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:47,000
Speaker 1: a mess, and it is a self inflicted wound that

643
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:52,920
Speaker 1: is I think frankly festering and threatens to overwhelm other

644
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: aspects of the forward looking agenda right now in the meantime, Look,

645
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: there's an instinct out there you want to protect your family.

646
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: That's why we have tons of objects all throughout the

647
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,479
Speaker 1: house provided by Saber. Whether it's extra door locks, whether

648
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: it is alarms, whether it is the pepper projectile launcher

649
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: we legitimately pepper spray we have. I think this is true.

650
00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: Every object that saberradio dot Com offers, we've got them all,

651
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,320
Speaker 1: and it is great. It's the family owned business fifty years.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back in Clay, Travis buck Sexton Show, Appreciate all

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Speaker 1: this is just a distraction.

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Speaker 2: Listen, epstein Case.

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Speaker 5: I think everybody in alve should go to jail. I

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's true.

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Speaker 1: But when the reports are out there from our friend

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Speaker 1: FBI Deputy Director Dan Bongino has said it's either me

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Speaker 1: that more. We're joined by Nicole Parker, who is an

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Speaker 1: FBI agent. She'll be off the top of the next segment.

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Speaker 1: We'll find out what she thinks about how all this

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Speaker 5: Next