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Speaker 1: and the official Dallas Cowboys at now. Here are Bill Jones,
Speaker 1: Everson Wolves, and Mickey Spagnola.
Speaker 2: And here we are on a Tuesday afternoon at two
Speaker 2: o'clock for a special edition of Mixed Shots. As there
Speaker 2: are not football players on the football field, there are
Speaker 2: r v's on the football field, right, trailers on the
Speaker 2: trailers on the field. Because we are getting you ready
Speaker 2: for the big event on Thursday night, Right, Mickey spagne We're.
Speaker 3: Gonna preview the ACMs.
Speaker 2: That's right, that's right. Might have a special guest you
Speaker 2: have the Have the stars arrived yet for it?
Speaker 4: Just I haven't seen anybody, so we'll have to settle
Speaker 4: for ever Walls instead.
Speaker 2: Hello, Eversin. Has nothing to do with the draft, nothing
Speaker 2: nothing to do with the draft, and nothing to do
Speaker 2: with the ACM Awards either.
Speaker 5: I can read it for you though when my time comes.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, we'll look forward to that.
Speaker 4: Tickets still available according to this yes.
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: Hate ever since did you grow up in Hamilton Park
Speaker 2: A big country and western fan.
Speaker 5: I did not, but uh, the uncles and my family, yeah,
Speaker 5: all of them with cowboys that from East Texas.
Speaker 2: Uh huh so my before country cool.
Speaker 5: My mom's oldest brother, uh Fay Armstrong. He was a
Speaker 5: good baseball player, but he was also he rode horses
Speaker 5: and the cutting.
Speaker 2: Cut cutting horse. Yeah, j Novichik specially.
Speaker 5: He could do that.
Speaker 2: He did that did my way bring it back to
Speaker 2: cowboys there, that's.
Speaker 5: Right, top cowboys. But now he he was very good
Speaker 5: at that, and you know, after a while he started
Speaker 5: getting you know, when you get older, you know, stuff
Speaker 5: started messing with his legs and so he couldn't ride anymore.
Speaker 5: But he gave me his uh the rubber things hook
Speaker 5: onto the saddle and all that kind of stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 5: obviously that that tradition didn't make it down to our generation.
Speaker 3: The rains, the rains.
Speaker 5: I don't know, but they wouldn't know. The rains is
Speaker 5: when you when you ride it. But this is the stirrups. Now,
Speaker 5: this is the stuff that you strapped things down with
Speaker 5: all the back.
Speaker 3: Okay, so now your past knowledge, yeah, it basically it
Speaker 3: was straps.
Speaker 5: It was straps. I ended up getting some of those,
Speaker 5: but no, he was very good at that.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 5: You know, black folk has been doing cowboy stuff for
Speaker 5: so long. My family was one of the one of
Speaker 5: the ones that were doing it out in East Texas.
Speaker 5: But I didn't even like horses. Horses scare me because
Speaker 5: if a horse hits you with his head. Yep.
Speaker 2: My wife loves horses.
Speaker 3: But I think I scare horses because they don't listen
Speaker 3: to me.
Speaker 5: Well, at least they let you get on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, kind of like people. People don't listen.
Speaker 3: That's right, right, not enough. But I prepared for the
Speaker 3: a c MS this weekend because you did. I saw
Speaker 3: Luke Combes.
Speaker 2: By the way, okay, what position does he play?
Speaker 3: Uh, center field in the band? Right in the middle,
Speaker 3: that's drum then yeah, no, the drummers are all in
Speaker 3: the back.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, all right, very good. It looks like you're
Speaker 2: prepared for mix shots too, not one, not two, not three,
Speaker 2: but four.
Speaker 3: Can't remember stuff, I can recall it.
Speaker 2: And you got and by the way, you got your
Speaker 2: hockey beard going too.
Speaker 3: I did.
Speaker 4: Boy, that was something I think I woke up the
Speaker 4: person that was next to this weekend.
Speaker 5: It was a lot of good sports.
Speaker 3: Came back and won.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, and the Winnipeg Jets told the Dell after
Speaker 2: Miko Renton and had scored three goals a hat trick
Speaker 2: in the final twelve minutes on Saturday night to propel
Speaker 2: the Stars to a game seven win. And then the
Speaker 2: next night Winnipeg said, hold my beer, Yeah we got you.
Speaker 2: Did you see into that one? We got you. They're
Speaker 2: they're down, Louis choke, They're down two goals with two
Speaker 2: minutes left, and Winnipeg scored with one fifty six left
Speaker 2: to make it a one goal game, and then with
Speaker 2: one point six seconds left they scored a goal to
Speaker 2: force overtime, and then they won in the second overtime,
Speaker 2: and it was deep in the second overtime. That's four
Speaker 2: minutes left.
Speaker 5: That's the Winnipeg Jets. I know because when I went
Speaker 5: to my only Stars game and we talked about this recently,
Speaker 5: they kicked out but for both nothing. Yeah and so,
Speaker 5: but the Stars themselves, I can't see. I couldn't see
Speaker 5: a team like that making such a turnaround in such
Speaker 5: quick fashion. And then the most important part of the season,
Speaker 5: of course, you're going into the playoffs and all of
Speaker 5: a sudden they catch fire.
Speaker 2: You know, and it's interesting, yeah, because they were just
Speaker 2: horrible and they were you know, you take it back
Speaker 2: two years ago to the Rangers when they won the
Speaker 2: World Series. They were horrible in early September, and then
Speaker 2: all of a sudden they call up Evan Carter who
Speaker 2: twenty one year old, and he goes off and they
Speaker 2: make the playoffs and then they win the World Series.
Speaker 2: And didn't hear the Stars are doing the same thing.
Speaker 2: And now we bring it back to the Cowboys.
Speaker 4: Because Miko Rattnan was something else in the third period
Speaker 4: in that game seven. They call them, They don't call
Speaker 4: them moose for nothing.
Speaker 2: It was Miko magic.
Speaker 3: Migo magic?
Speaker 5: Is that what it is?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: Ye?
Speaker 2: We no longer have Luca magic.
Speaker 3: This is yeah.
Speaker 5: What happened?
Speaker 4: The guy that was going to save the world went
Speaker 4: to l A and they got elimonade almost swept?
Speaker 5: What the hell almost swept?
Speaker 3: How did that happen?
Speaker 5: A guy named Anthony Evans.
Speaker 3: I couldn't guard him.
Speaker 2: No man? All right, all right, So we also at
Speaker 2: this weekend as well, Actually do.
Speaker 3: You guys all attend the Rookie Mini camp?
Speaker 2: Well, I was about to get there, Okay. Everson talked
Speaker 2: about what a great Sports Weekend. It was when Scotti
Speaker 2: Scheffler when the c J cub Byron Nelson Okay with
Speaker 2: record set record tying fashion. Dak Prescott made an appearance
Speaker 2: out at Texas Motor Speedway on Sunday. He did or
Speaker 2: the NASCAR race. He was throwing footballs before the race
Speaker 2: began out there. He didn't know the officials start your engines. No,
Speaker 2: he wasn't that. I don't know. He was out there
Speaker 2: for some reason, Okay, and maybe he was just having fun. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was a great day for it. So and that
Speaker 2: brings us now to the Rookie Mini.
Speaker 4: Camp, which was basically one day and it was not
Speaker 4: much more than a walk through practice my understanding.
Speaker 2: So it sounds like you weren't there.
Speaker 3: I was not there. That's why that's why we changed
Speaker 3: this day of the of.
Speaker 4: Mix shots from yesterday. I was out of town, so
Speaker 4: I said, I was scouting Luke Combs.
Speaker 3: Where was that New Orleans?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 2: Okay jazz festival. Oh my daughter and son in law
Speaker 2: were down there for the jazz festival.
Speaker 4: I don't think I bumped into them in part of
Speaker 4: five hundred thousand people that I think were there over
Speaker 4: four days.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I asked, did I miss anything? And my
Speaker 3: answer was no, yeah, and.
Speaker 2: Anybody I was here in town and I knew I
Speaker 2: was not going to miss anything, and so I didn't
Speaker 2: come out here.
Speaker 4: They had like nineteen guys out there working what were
Speaker 4: they doing? Ten draft choices, nine or eight uh, rookie
Speaker 4: free agents and one quarterback workout so they could have
Speaker 4: quarterbacks there.
Speaker 2: Donovan Smith, former Texas Tech reederator in Houston.
Speaker 3: Houston, right, yeah, Houston. He started at Texas at Tech.
Speaker 2: Okay, but and they did not sign him, Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: they did not.
Speaker 3: He was a tryout.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they had got to have somebody out there. You
Speaker 2: know what it was more orientation, which is what has
Speaker 2: become in recent years, which is what used to Okay,
Speaker 2: this is our first opportunity to go see the rookies
Speaker 2: out there, and then they would have like first year
Speaker 2: guys who didn't get any playing time, and so you
Speaker 2: would have more people out there, and whether they have
Speaker 2: nineteen players out there, yeah, and then you've so they
Speaker 2: weren't playing. They were basically going to just be a
Speaker 2: walkthrough on Friday, they get they arrive on Thursday, they
Speaker 2: get equipment and get checked in and stuff on Thursday,
Speaker 2: they at meetings and all that, and then they had
Speaker 2: a walk through that was going to be open and
Speaker 2: a rain Cats and Dogs on Friday, and so then
Speaker 2: it got delayed until so they just stayed inside and
Speaker 2: they were setting up for the ACM Awards, so there
Speaker 2: was nothing inside Ford Center either for the media access anyway.
Speaker 2: So the first time then the media could get there
Speaker 2: on the far field, the grass field was open, and
Speaker 2: so they were able to go out there and run
Speaker 2: around a little bit on Saturday.
Speaker 4: And what did they do basically individual drills, position drills,
Speaker 4: just kind of just orient the guys to maybe how
Speaker 4: they're going to practice when they get to OTA's. It's
Speaker 4: nothing like you're going to say, well, coach, what did
Speaker 4: they look like? You know, well, they look like just
Speaker 4: what we saw on film, so you know before they
Speaker 4: go out there in practice.
Speaker 5: That's because when guys get hurt, they didn't put much
Speaker 5: value into the players. Then now the players the contracts
Speaker 5: is so big you can't even risk getting them injured.
Speaker 4: Right in practice, right and and and so the OTAs
Speaker 4: don't start until I think two weeks, not this week.
Speaker 4: Following back in the day, they would they would no,
Speaker 4: they would go out there and practice. I remember I
Speaker 4: remembered distinctly Patrick Creighton, seventh round draft choice, and he
Speaker 4: came out here and Parcels was the head coach, and
Speaker 4: they're practicing, you know, helmets, no pads, right, which is
Speaker 4: worse because boys will be boys, right, You're gonna try hard.
Speaker 4: If you have to dive for a ball, you're gonna
Speaker 4: die for a ball. Well, he ended up with a
Speaker 4: foot injury, and he came out and played practice the
Speaker 4: next day, and the next day's limping through it. And
Speaker 4: I'm going, what do you think about? You know, you
Speaker 4: can't go out there and do that. He goes, do
Speaker 4: you think is a seventh round draft choice? If I
Speaker 4: don't go out there with Bill Parcells as the head coach,
Speaker 4: then I'm even gonna make it to training camp. And
Speaker 4: he probably was right, And they used to get so
Speaker 4: many soft tissue injuries. So I don't know, three four
Speaker 4: years ago, they turned it into orientation because they knew
Speaker 4: these guys, especially the draft choices, they've been on the
Speaker 4: traveling circuit, right interviews, thirty visits combine. Then they're not
Speaker 4: practicing football and they're probably not in great shape. I
Speaker 4: can remember when they drafted. It was what twenty ten
Speaker 4: des Bryant and you know, the first practice they come
Speaker 4: out here, it's ninety degrees high humidity, and oh, dez Bryant,
Speaker 4: this guy could make He's not in shape, he's pukin
Speaker 4: and or non you know, but they're they're not ready
Speaker 4: for So they finally backed off and said, let's be
Speaker 4: smart about this and make sure we get guys in
Speaker 4: shape before they go out there.
Speaker 3: Now the veterans have been doing all their their workouts. Yeah,
Speaker 3: these guys all they were working out was for the
Speaker 3: draft and traveling all over the place. So they finally
Speaker 3: got smart about it. So the O So back in
Speaker 3: the day, you didn't even have that, did you.
Speaker 5: We had you know, OTAs that was about it.
Speaker 3: But they called it quarterback school.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, and so uh and of course we had
Speaker 5: the rookies come in, uh and all rookies at the
Speaker 5: same time. Yeah, we did have that. No veterans were there,
Speaker 5: but Tony Hill came up there and one of somebody
Speaker 5: just kind of wom them up.
Speaker 2: You're talking about your rookie year, yes, so about how
Speaker 2: many rookies were out there your rookie year. The first
Speaker 2: time that you set foot. How many rookies was out
Speaker 2: there with us hundred? Yeah, it was about one hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty five rookies.
Speaker 5: That's what.
Speaker 2: And basically they were there trying out. Yeah, well most
Speaker 2: of them signed the contract.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we had been signed.
Speaker 2: I'm asking is I just saw this. The Tampa Bay
Speaker 2: Buccaneers are hosting twenty two rookies and veterans for tryouts
Speaker 2: at their Rookie Minute. Yeah, this week. So they got
Speaker 2: they got a list of them all, and I see
Speaker 2: one of them, bro Oklahoma, And I don't know why
Speaker 2: he bust have paid his old way down there for
Speaker 2: the tryout, because.
Speaker 5: But everything, everything has changed now because as players, we
Speaker 5: weren't doing the right things. We were out there we
Speaker 5: had OTAs would interrupt our road basketball schedule we had
Speaker 5: in the off season. Yeah. I love that. Yeah, so
Speaker 5: we're out there playing basketball. We're not caring about injuries.
Speaker 5: And I don't recall anyone getting injured doing any of
Speaker 5: our basketball games.
Speaker 2: I love those basketball games. I remember going out and
Speaker 2: watching them at the University of Dallas. Yeah, play and you.
Speaker 5: Knew who had who had game, you know, and and
Speaker 5: you know, you give it, gave you a little bit
Speaker 5: more respect because you can do more than one sport. Oh,
Speaker 5: I thought he was just a football player. Well, no,
Speaker 5: I just you know, doing three sixty slam.
Speaker 2: In the Cowboys. Basketball did travel around the state. They Yeah,
Speaker 2: I said state because I remember coming out to Lubbock.
Speaker 5: Is an easy ride. We take a drive down there.
Speaker 5: We wouldn't catch a flight, but we had flights all over.
Speaker 5: We go to New Mexico, Colorado, Ron Springs and I
Speaker 5: did a game out there. We went to some Indian
Speaker 5: nation in Colorado, window Rock Nation, window Rock Nation. We
Speaker 5: went out there and got a sponsorship from him.
Speaker 2: So who are the guys that played on the on
Speaker 2: the off season basketball?
Speaker 5: Teach everybody? Uh do what I said, Tony Hill, Ron
Speaker 5: Springs too tall, everybody, Lockhart, Michael downs Manny Hendricks, Randy White,
Speaker 5: Hell no.
Speaker 2: Not everybody. I mean you didn't have a White point guard,
Speaker 2: not a.
Speaker 5: Point guard, but Brian Baldinger point guard. Yeah, and uh
Speaker 5: Kevin Yeah he was an enforcer, which he was.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: No, we had the players, man, even croffor Kerr tried
Speaker 5: to come out there and playing. We had them all.
Speaker 5: We had them all. Nate no, never, Nate never played.
Speaker 3: And they's like a you guys could have that big
Speaker 3: big Daddy was out there.
Speaker 5: Big Daddy was out there. Big Daddy had a ball.
Speaker 2: So like, how much would y'all make off that?
Speaker 5: We might get paid three hundred dollars a game? And
Speaker 5: then when Ronn and I took over, we did better
Speaker 5: because we started getting sponsors and we paid him a
Speaker 5: little bit.
Speaker 3: More like seven and the places you that was for charity.
Speaker 5: So we would split the chair, split it with him.
Speaker 5: We did the correct way. Uh, instead of just you know,
Speaker 5: chump change, we made it into something that you know, well, guys,
Speaker 5: could you just kind of make a little living off
Speaker 5: that in the offseason because it wasn't making a whole
Speaker 5: bunch of money. It's a bunch of free agents out
Speaker 5: there a little bit some of them.
Speaker 2: Those were the days. Those were the days.
Speaker 3: You weren't getting ten thousand dollars signing modus.
Speaker 5: No, we weren't.
Speaker 2: Who would you play against?
Speaker 5: They always had a charity that brought their own team.
Speaker 5: Now that sounds good because we will whip all those
Speaker 5: little kids, little guys, old guys got played in Texas
Speaker 5: A and M football team. No, you did not whipped
Speaker 5: our asses. I mean they had guys shooting three pointers
Speaker 5: like Steph Curry and they ran us.
Speaker 3: Out of there was no three pointers back then.
Speaker 5: Yes, it's how old do you think I am?
Speaker 2: So the A and M was so that would be
Speaker 2: in the eighties. So I wonder if Kevin Murray. I
Speaker 2: wonder if Kevin Murray played now it was in the eighties,
Speaker 2: he played to A and M.
Speaker 5: And I would say, yeah, and those were the That
Speaker 5: was the end of that. That's when I was about
Speaker 5: to leave.
Speaker 2: So yeah, the late eighties, late ladies, okay, wow.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I don't know who those guys were, but
Speaker 5: they had this white dude that shout us out the gym.
Speaker 5: They had this brother. They was about the same size,
Speaker 5: same height, little point. They shot us out of the
Speaker 5: gym and we started putting in the young guys.
Speaker 6: I know.
Speaker 5: It was somebody I'm sure had something.
Speaker 3: Was that legal back then?
Speaker 5: No, it wasn't.
Speaker 3: Could the A n M coach be there to watch?
Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure they were there the whole everybody.
Speaker 3: Who was the old metal It was very good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had fun.
Speaker 3: Man, I covered one of the regionals they qualified for.
Speaker 5: That was fun stuff. Yeah, they came out, they tore
Speaker 5: us up. Pretty good. That's so pretty good. We played
Speaker 5: the we played the Washington Wizards.
Speaker 2: You did not, Yes?
Speaker 5: Is that the funny?
Speaker 2: The team? You know, the general Marcus at the General Trotters,
Speaker 2: Washington General.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he ended up, you know, separated from the Globe
Speaker 5: Trotters and he started.
Speaker 2: His own Marcus Marcus Haynes.
Speaker 5: Yeah right, So he you know, did some games with us,
Speaker 5: and you know, they got a little nervous because you know,
Speaker 5: we didn't want to be no damn Washington Generals. We
Speaker 5: wanted to come out and kick their butts, and so
Speaker 5: we actually you know, started playing. I mean, we got
Speaker 5: some big guys on our team. So when you come
Speaker 5: with some basketball players, they're not the accustomed to somebody
Speaker 5: like Lockhart, who, yeah he's a middle linebacker, but he
Speaker 5: also can shoot a little bit, you know, Michael Downs,
Speaker 5: you know, yeah he's a free safety, but he can
Speaker 5: sky and he can block your shots. So, you we
Speaker 5: had athletes out there and we started winning. And when
Speaker 5: you start winning against the team that's supposed to win,
Speaker 5: they started stopping the game and okay, let's do our
Speaker 5: little tricks. You see what I'm saying time, because we're
Speaker 5: about to kick your butts.
Speaker 2: So todar right.
Speaker 5: Doing all the shots and then we lost the game
Speaker 5: because they we had to let them do that. You know, man,
Speaker 5: we were about to whoop the bus man. We're about
Speaker 5: to whoop that.
Speaker 2: But such a better time then, you know, And nobody
Speaker 2: can have your home run derbys.
Speaker 5: But be a nobody got hurt. Nobody got hurt. That's crazy.
Speaker 5: No one got hurt.
Speaker 2: You know, they had too had something recently. I mean
Speaker 2: when t O was here. I had been right after
Speaker 2: he retired, but he was there. There was a former
Speaker 2: Cowboy basketball celebrity game that was like ilvert one of
Speaker 2: the high schools in Carrollton, maybe r'l Turner High School
Speaker 2: or whatever. I remember doing a live shot from there.
Speaker 5: And and nobody cared about no one anticipated injuries.
Speaker 3: Point.
Speaker 2: But I remember one of the female referees at that
Speaker 2: gave She sees me and she says, I recognize you.
Speaker 3: I know you.
Speaker 2: You live in south Lake. I used to call games
Speaker 2: in south Lake. You used to yell at e undergirls basketball. No,
Speaker 2: that was some other white guy.
Speaker 5: We all look like.
Speaker 3: All right, you know, I played in a age.
Speaker 4: It was a charity flag football game against the Cowboys.
Speaker 4: It was for charity out at that stadium in Farmers Branch,
Speaker 4: the big one stand stadium.
Speaker 2: Which Cowboys have worked out there before when there, yeah Branch.
Speaker 4: No, not Standards the other one maybe it was what
Speaker 4: yeah whatever, anyway, we played, Uh it was there was
Speaker 4: a kind of a flag football league team that played
Speaker 4: in Dallas.
Speaker 3: Low's that's yeah, and we played.
Speaker 4: They had their team and then brought in some media
Speaker 4: people and I played, and they sent me out at cornerback, right,
Speaker 4: So I line up, they break the huddle. Who comes
Speaker 4: and lines up in front of.
Speaker 3: Me, Bob Hayes, And I'm going, oh, you gotta be kid. Well,
Speaker 3: this was at the end. This was at the end.
Speaker 3: I mean his career was this had to be eighty five.
Speaker 3: Oh wow.
Speaker 4: He could barely run, right, And I was like, this
Speaker 4: is depressing because I could run better than him, right.
Speaker 2: But they put Bob Hayes on me, right.
Speaker 4: And then at the end of the game, I didn't
Speaker 4: realize this was a whole setup that they were supposed
Speaker 4: to win, right, and We're trying hard, and I broke
Speaker 4: up a Roger Staubach pass in the end zone to
Speaker 4: Drew and I thought I was cool, Right, So they
Speaker 4: set it up the next possession that they had to
Speaker 4: They had to come down and win, right, And so
Speaker 4: they have me cover Drew and it's like everybody quit
Speaker 4: but me because they had to score the winning touchdown, right,
Speaker 4: And we get to the end zone, stallback passes coming.
Speaker 3: I see it. I'm getting ready to jump, and Drew puts.
Speaker 4: His hand on my shoulder, shoves me into the ground,
Speaker 4: catches the wind like the.
Speaker 2: Right Eddie spikes it and they all they beat us.
Speaker 3: Right, and I'm going, okay, I get it. It was
Speaker 3: a setup.
Speaker 5: They treated you like Everson Walls out there. Man, that's
Speaker 5: a damn shot. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Put his hand on my shoulder and shove me to
Speaker 3: the crowd.
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Speaker 3: Okay, do you think she's out in one of those trailers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's waiting. I don't think so. All right, what
Speaker 2: do you want to get to first? Here?
Speaker 3: You got any draft leftovers that stuck out to you? Ask?
Speaker 2: Well, I'll to give you my impression. Someone asked me
Speaker 2: the other day who in this draft class for the
Speaker 2: Cowboys do you think we'll make the besides Tyler Booker
Speaker 2: will make the biggest impact his rookie season. And I
Speaker 2: didn't think long, and I just I said, I think
Speaker 2: the second round pick is going to make a huge impact,
Speaker 2: Right is rookie season?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Donovan is a roku.
Speaker 4: I mean we're talking uh leading the Acs, well, leading
Speaker 4: the nation with sixteen and a half sacks.
Speaker 2: He also had eighty tackles.
Speaker 4: Right, which is even more impressive when you're looking for
Speaker 4: a defensive end to replace DeMarcus Lawrence.
Speaker 5: That's what they do. That's what he does.
Speaker 4: He can play the run, which is gonna be ultimately
Speaker 4: important for this team. I think Blue is going to
Speaker 4: be and I think and that's my guy.
Speaker 3: I think Blue.
Speaker 4: As a matter of fact, I saw I had read
Speaker 4: prior to the draft and before to Shire choice went
Speaker 4: to Detroit, he was still at Texas, and he's the
Speaker 4: guy that recruited Blue. He was the running back coach,
Speaker 4: and he basically compared him to Jamar Gibbs. And he
Speaker 4: actually came out and I saw the quote and he said,
Speaker 4: speed wise, Blue is very similar to Jamar Gibbs because
Speaker 4: he's fast and he can catch the ball out of
Speaker 4: the backfill. And so if I had to compare anybody
Speaker 4: to his body type, it's Gibbs. They look a little
Speaker 4: different and how they play. But the more Blue matures,
Speaker 4: he has a chance.
Speaker 3: To be better than Gibbs.
Speaker 2: And when did to Shard say, before the draft, before
Speaker 2: before he went to before he became a Detroit Lion. Yes,
Speaker 2: coach coaching Jamir Gibbs. Yes, Now, he had coached Jamir
Speaker 2: Gibbs in college though too, at Georgia Tech.
Speaker 4: Right, So yeah, so he knew Gibbs and that's who
Speaker 4: he blew he compared to. So this guy, he's got
Speaker 4: some talent now, just got to hold out into the
Speaker 4: football and you know, and and of course that's all anybody.
Speaker 3: Can say about him. Well he put the ball, he
Speaker 3: lost four fumbles. Okay, I get it.
Speaker 2: But but Longhorn fans will tell you they were it
Speaker 2: was when he lost the football.
Speaker 3: Well, I got you.
Speaker 5: Well, but like anything else, I'm assuming that limiting your
Speaker 5: fumbles is something that can be coached out of you.
Speaker 3: Like technique. He said it was technical, his technique on
Speaker 3: holding the ball.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's not something that you know, it's just
Speaker 5: in hamming. I have to fumble again, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 5: that that can be you know, coached out of you.
Speaker 3: So I'll take my chance out on four to three
Speaker 3: eight exactly.
Speaker 5: Well and once again go ahead.
Speaker 2: Well, one thing I was going to keep in mind
Speaker 2: on Blue too, there's a lot of tread left on
Speaker 2: those tires. He did not play his senior year in
Speaker 2: high school to focus on getting ready for college for
Speaker 2: whatever reason, so he didn't have any carries that year.
Speaker 2: Then he's playing behind Vjeon Robinson and then Jonathan Brooks
Speaker 2: at Texas or he's in rotation by his second year there.
Speaker 2: So his first year there he only carried fifteen times.
Speaker 2: So now you've gone two seasons without really putting much
Speaker 2: wear and tear on you at all. Then in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty three he had fourteen games, no start, sixty five
Speaker 2: carries for three hundred ninety eight yards six point one
Speaker 2: yards of carry. And then finally this year he became
Speaker 2: more of a workhorse, but it was still in hand
Speaker 2: him in seven hundred and thirty yards and forty two
Speaker 2: catches and had fourteen touchdowns.
Speaker 5: Could you imagine the diversity that they would give us
Speaker 5: if this guy, yeah, was able to play and come
Speaker 5: out of the backfield. And I always think about him
Speaker 5: being you come out with two running backs, but yet
Speaker 5: you can shift put him in the slot. Next thing,
Speaker 5: you know, we're not running the ball. You know we're
Speaker 5: passing the ball. We catch the defense off guard, you
Speaker 5: catch a mismatch from someone who's trying to guard him.
Speaker 5: She's gonna be a linebacker going to try and guard
Speaker 5: him if he's at the slot or running out of
Speaker 5: the backfield. You can do so much with this guy,
Speaker 5: And once again I worry about us not having enough
Speaker 5: wide receivers with enough experience or if nothing else, we
Speaker 5: don't have any mismatches at the slot position when you're
Speaker 5: talking about the wide receivers that we have. He can
Speaker 5: create that mismatch for us, right depending on how they
Speaker 5: want to use him. And that's what I'm excited about.
Speaker 5: This guy can come out of the backfield and make
Speaker 5: plays for us, especially on those third downs where we
Speaker 5: got to move the chains. Not only that catch them
Speaker 5: in on goal line, the mismatches there can be exploited
Speaker 5: so much.
Speaker 4: Think if if they have him on the field as
Speaker 4: the same time at the same time of Cavante Turpe,
Speaker 4: there you go and you don't have And one of
Speaker 4: the questions we had to answer this week on Dallas
Speaker 4: Cowboys dot com uh in our mail bag, and it's
Speaker 4: not going to appear till tomorrow, but was the Cowboys
Speaker 4: that everybody's making a big deal out of they don't
Speaker 4: have a number two receiver. The question was, but don't
Speaker 4: you think there's enough combinations of other receivers that can
Speaker 4: make up for it. My answer was, they do, but
Speaker 4: they don't have a experienced, start game starting wide receiver
Speaker 4: to take the pressure off of off of set LAMB.
Speaker 4: But the alternative is maybe I can do it with
Speaker 4: speed because Turpin may not have the experience. Blue no
Speaker 4: NFL experience, but guess what, you still got to cover them, right.
Speaker 4: It's it's the old Jimmy Johnson deal on Alexander Wright,
Speaker 4: and you know everybody's talking about, well, you know he's fast, but.
Speaker 3: You know he's he's not a really good ride receiver.
Speaker 4: And Jimmy's answer was, well, yeah, but you never know
Speaker 4: when he's gonna catch one, he will be open and.
Speaker 3: Then he's gone.
Speaker 4: So they can maybe offset that lack of experience at
Speaker 4: the number two or number three receiver with guys that
Speaker 4: have speed.
Speaker 2: Here's a little something for you. I'm just comparing Jaden
Speaker 2: Blue and Jamier Gibbs. They both come into the came
Speaker 2: into the league at age twenty one. They both are
Speaker 2: Blue at the combine five nine, one hundred and ninety
Speaker 2: six pounds Gibbs five nine, one hundred and ninety nine pounds.
Speaker 2: Blue ran a four to three eight and Gibbs ran
Speaker 2: a four to three six, and in their last year
Speaker 2: of college, Blue had one hundred and thirty four carries
Speaker 2: averaging five and a half yards of carry eight touchdowns.
Speaker 2: Gibbs at Alabama is a lone year at Alabama, one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty one carries, six yards of carry, seven touchdowns.
Speaker 2: Blue had forty two catches out of the backfield six
Speaker 2: touchdowns and Gibbs had forty four catches three touchdowns out
Speaker 2: of the backfield. Almost identical stats there last year on
Speaker 2: teams that played deep into the College Football Playoff.
Speaker 4: And with a guy like that, you're not going to
Speaker 4: wear them out as a workhorse, right, You're gonna spot
Speaker 4: them right.
Speaker 3: Or use them.
Speaker 2: And that's what like what Gibbs he goes to Detroit
Speaker 2: with David Montgomery and.
Speaker 3: And what about pace?
Speaker 4: If you think about it, when Paul was so successful,
Speaker 4: it was a change of pace between how Zeke ran
Speaker 4: and how he ran. And you tell me, do you
Speaker 4: get used to a running back speed and then they
Speaker 4: bring in another guy and all of a sudden, he's
Speaker 4: a step or two faster.
Speaker 5: Man. That's tough. That's tough. It's tough for covering why
Speaker 5: running backs period. In the passing game, it's hard for
Speaker 5: a defensive back, a cornerback to cover a running back
Speaker 5: with a lot of moves in the slot.
Speaker 3: And plus you can't get your hands on him. If
Speaker 3: he lines up in the backfield right he gets a
Speaker 3: running start, he does, and that's.
Speaker 5: Very difficult, very difficult, even as a strong safety coming
Speaker 5: down free safety, very difficult to cover a running back
Speaker 5: come out of the back.
Speaker 3: And you probably can't do it with a linebacker.
Speaker 5: Oh no, you can't do it, no doubt about it.
Speaker 5: And that's where the mismatch is gonna come in for us.
Speaker 5: And so when you start talking about a mismatch in
Speaker 5: one area, then you can exploit it in another area,
Speaker 5: but it won't be down the field. You got we
Speaker 5: got tight ends and it can catch the ball. We
Speaker 5: got tight ends that can really catch the ball, but
Speaker 5: they're not going down the field. But when it comes
Speaker 5: to moving the chains, we can move the chains with
Speaker 5: what we have right now. My problem is can one
Speaker 5: of those wide receivers step up and still give CD
Speaker 5: a chance on the other side, Because you can go
Speaker 5: running back tight ends all you want. If you need
Speaker 5: big plays, you're gonna have to get another wide receiver
Speaker 5: that can do that. I don't mean do it consistently, right,
Speaker 5: but at least at least have that second option other
Speaker 5: than having CD going down the field.
Speaker 4: You have you have to have a wide receiver out there.
Speaker 4: The defense respects another one.
Speaker 5: I don't know if we have that. I don't know
Speaker 5: if we right now.
Speaker 4: They're gonna take their chances as it is, don't you
Speaker 4: think at the wide receiver position to add to that.
Speaker 5: And they've got they have a science one yet and
Speaker 5: there that's that time is really if it hadn't went
Speaker 5: out already, that time is really is. They're still away.
Speaker 3: A couple of guys out there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, a couple of guys. And there's a reason
Speaker 5: there's still a couple of guys out.
Speaker 4: There, well, one of two reasons. Either they're at the end,
Speaker 4: or they're actually wanting too much money.
Speaker 2: Or it could be that they don't want to come
Speaker 2: here right now. They look still early May, right right.
Speaker 2: It's kind of like an Aaron Rodgers thing. Okay, Aaron
Speaker 2: Rodgers is sitting there like, Okay, do I myself, at
Speaker 2: age forty whatever he is, do I want to go
Speaker 2: to Pittsburgh in May? Or would I just as soon
Speaker 2: go in June and get by me another month here
Speaker 2: of freedom?
Speaker 5: These wims are out there, there are no Aaron Rods.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm saying Amari Cooper.
Speaker 5: I just want that. But I'm just luxury to think that, right,
Speaker 5: They don't have that luxury.
Speaker 2: Well, there's only a certain number of teams that are
Speaker 2: bidding for their services and so and but here's the
Speaker 2: other thing to think about. Teams can there are acl
Speaker 2: injuries that can happen in May and so someone like
Speaker 2: an Amari Cooper sitting there, why would I settle for
Speaker 2: now when just give it a little.
Speaker 5: Bit of time. You'd better be ready when you come right.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, because the desperation, the desperation factor will go
Speaker 4: up if you lose a wide.
Speaker 3: Receiver and it's like, okay, now you're going to have
Speaker 3: to pay me this, right, But you'd.
Speaker 5: Better come in ready to go. Yeah, No, you'd better
Speaker 5: come in ready to go. And I don't know what
Speaker 5: veterans think like nowadays in regards to these critical positions.
Speaker 5: Do are they practicing? Who are they practicing with? You
Speaker 5: know what quarterback are you practicing with out there? I
Speaker 5: know you're not practicing against a dB or anything. But
Speaker 5: while you're out there waiting, and I know you got
Speaker 5: experience because you're that particular age. But man, when you
Speaker 5: come in here as a as an experienced professional. You
Speaker 5: gotta be ready to go. We don't have ramp up
Speaker 5: time now, we don't have that.
Speaker 3: And like they have in training.
Speaker 2: And how about this from the from the team's perspective,
Speaker 2: this is an opportunity to see what they have with
Speaker 2: these guys. How much have these guys improved that they
Speaker 2: have on their own?
Speaker 5: And that's that's nothing. You know, I don't know much
Speaker 5: about how the wide receivers are in this camp or
Speaker 5: any other camp. When I you know, back in the day,
Speaker 5: you had wide receivers that were really looking to not
Speaker 5: just make the team. They were their thoughts were on starting,
Speaker 5: Their thoughts were on getting on that field, not to
Speaker 5: just be a guy playing special team. Now they had
Speaker 5: to play special teams. They get out there and try
Speaker 5: to ball out. But the point was, I'm going to
Speaker 5: put pressure on the guy in front of me. Do
Speaker 5: you have anyone out there that has made an impression
Speaker 5: to where somebody said, I see improvement, I see him
Speaker 5: being better than last year. They got to show me somebody.
Speaker 2: Let me let me give you a fairly recent example,
Speaker 2: although it's becoming less recent than as the years go by.
Speaker 2: Is there a Miles Austin out there. Think about Miles
Speaker 2: Austin when he came here and just looked up his
Speaker 2: stats from his first year in two thousand and six,
Speaker 2: he didn't get in at any He played in nine games,
Speaker 2: nothing on, no snaps on offense. Seven His second year,
Speaker 2: he had played sixteen games, all on special teams. Ten targets,
Speaker 2: five receptions. Third year eight twenty three targets, thirteen receptions.
Speaker 2: It wasn't until his fourth year in the NFL in
Speaker 2: two thousand and nine he had the first of back
Speaker 2: to back Pro Bowl seasons eighty one reception.
Speaker 5: And he's lucky?
Speaker 2: Is there someone lucky stuck around?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: Is there someone that's developing behind the scenes here who
Speaker 2: can improve to the point where they can be a
Speaker 2: number two wide receipt? That's and that's one of the
Speaker 2: things that you start to kind of figure out as
Speaker 2: you go along here. I mean, even though like some
Speaker 2: name specs, well, I mean Ryan Illinois won the sixth
Speaker 2: round pick last year.
Speaker 3: The other leading candidate would be.
Speaker 4: Jalen Tolbert, which you've seen actually led the team with
Speaker 4: seven touchdown.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and so by mentioning Ryan FLLINOI yeah, that's the
Speaker 2: guy that's off everybody's radar.
Speaker 3: He's the Miles Austin.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. And is there someone
Speaker 2: like that who can develop into a number two receiver
Speaker 2: like Miles Austin did, Because you remember when Miles in
Speaker 2: those off seasons before before he emerged as a legitimate
Speaker 2: starting wide receiver in the league. Remember Romo talking about him.
Speaker 2: Romo would talk about, there's one guy that he had
Speaker 2: high hopes for.
Speaker 4: He saw his speed and it didn't erupt until that
Speaker 4: Kansas City game when maybe Owens was hurt, somebody was hurt.
Speaker 4: He had to play and he erupts. But before that, yeah,
Speaker 4: he was special teams kick return guy.
Speaker 5: You know what. The guy that I'm always thinking about
Speaker 5: is Toba. Yeah, and he stepped up. Yes, he caught
Speaker 5: some touchdown.
Speaker 3: I know, I get that, but you got to be conceited.
Speaker 5: I gotta see you what I got to move that
Speaker 5: chain when it's you know, two minutes to go, under
Speaker 5: two minutes to go, and I need a third and seventeen.
Speaker 5: Can you get that for me?
Speaker 2: Well, and to that point on Tobert, if you go
Speaker 2: back and look at his college career, it took him
Speaker 2: a couple of years at South Alabama before he became
Speaker 2: he was a late bloomer, okay, and.
Speaker 5: I'm all about that.
Speaker 2: And so so it was his third He was a
Speaker 2: five year guy I think at South Alabama. But it
Speaker 2: went until his last two years where he emerged. And
Speaker 2: so now he's going into his fourth season, okay. So,
Speaker 2: and he showed a lot of progress from his first
Speaker 2: year to his second year. I mean he went from
Speaker 2: his first year he had two catches for twelve yards,
Speaker 2: three targets, eight games. His second year in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: three thirty six targets, twenty two or okay, got a
Speaker 2: lot more opportunities last year without the starting quarterback for
Speaker 2: much of the season, seventy nine targets, forty nine catches,
Speaker 2: six hundred ten yards, and seven touchdowns. So that's real progress. Now,
Speaker 2: is Jalen Tolbert ready to take that next step to
Speaker 2: be the number two guy? And this is that this
Speaker 2: has to be the year and it him and that
Speaker 2: is his fourth year, and that follows the Miles Austin.
Speaker 2: It was his fourth year where he was he became
Speaker 2: what he became. What was his rookie year was six six.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and see when you look at the Miles Austin
Speaker 5: versus Tobert. First of all, there's a bit of a
Speaker 5: size different. Yeah, that's right, so and that that doesn't
Speaker 5: bother me as much. But if you play small, then
Speaker 5: that is a problem. If you have a tendency not
Speaker 5: to be able to get off the jam, yeah, that
Speaker 5: is a problem if you're that small. But you can
Speaker 5: still get off the jam. I don't care how small
Speaker 5: you are. If you can get off the jam and
Speaker 5: make plays, then that's the kind of guy we need.
Speaker 5: I don't know how well he is, because when it's
Speaker 5: crunch time, every defense in the NFL knows that if
Speaker 5: they get up in our faces, our wide receivers don't
Speaker 5: play as well.
Speaker 3: That's why there's speed guys need to take.
Speaker 5: That's why you gotta get off.
Speaker 2: You know, here's what Miles Austin had over You mentioned
Speaker 2: the size. Okay, he was two hundred and fifteen pounds
Speaker 2: and Tolbert came in one hundred and ninety five pounds. Okay,
Speaker 2: it's that explosion that Austin had. I mean, we're talking
Speaker 2: a forty vertical guy, same speed at time, speed at
Speaker 2: his pro day and combined four four nine for both
Speaker 2: of them. But Austin had that athletic Sober.
Speaker 5: I saw Toba get up for a couple of touchsdown
Speaker 5: whether we talk.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what it's probably, but I'm
Speaker 2: just that's what put Miles Austin over the top athletics.
Speaker 5: And I'm asking because not so because tobas going to
Speaker 5: need something like that hasn't made to say, Okay, I can.
Speaker 2: Depend Toober's a thirty six vertical guy. That's what he was.
Speaker 3: So my favorite Miles Austin story is rookie year.
Speaker 4: We're at training camp and I was over there in
Speaker 4: our little work area and ox Nerd and Parcells is
Speaker 4: sitting on his his golf cart.
Speaker 3: Right, we're sitting there shooting the breeze. Miles Austin comes
Speaker 3: walking up.
Speaker 4: Parcels looks like this poor rookie, right, and he goes, hey, Austin,
Speaker 4: are you blankety blank smart? Just like that, and Miles goes, well, yeah, coach,
Speaker 4: well what was.
Speaker 2: Your SAT score?
Speaker 5: What he had?
Speaker 3: I don't know, he had some answer for it, right,
Speaker 3: and Parcells who well, that's impressive he would even yeah
Speaker 3: right right, that's suppresser. And then he goes so and
Speaker 3: they were both from the same area. Yeah, they were
Speaker 3: both neighborhood.
Speaker 2: Whatever did you get ice cream at such and such?
Speaker 2: Austin grew up in Garfield, New Jersey.
Speaker 3: Was just trying to intimidate him, right, and and and
Speaker 3: the kid kind of hung in there, but it was like,
Speaker 3: I'm sure, and his mind's going, what the hell? And
Speaker 3: I'm sitting there, I'm just thoroughly amused.
Speaker 2: Right, Parcels, Parcels is sitting there. Let's see if he's
Speaker 2: really a Jersey.
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Speaker 4: Yes, I was gonna ask you if anybody in your
Speaker 4: big green notebook that the Cowboys signed as rookie free
Speaker 4: agents might have stuck out to you.
Speaker 3: Nope, come on, he's doing the break.
Speaker 2: Right Trey Shawn Holden Wide receiver from Oregon who played
Speaker 2: four junior adam Boys receiver that was resignated with me
Speaker 2: resignated resonates you he didn't resign.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I looked at the Rivaldo Fairweather, the tight end from
Speaker 2: Auburn who transferred there.
Speaker 5: And transferred from where he was like if I you
Speaker 5: I f I.
Speaker 2: U okay set the Auburn single season record for catches
Speaker 2: by a tight end and program history with thirty eight
Speaker 2: and six touchdown those history.
Speaker 3: How about the corner mark that the cornerback from Kentucky.
Speaker 2: Just challenge me.
Speaker 5: I'm going to come up with it all oh man,
Speaker 5: I mean Alabama.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but aur did Barkley play football? He would have
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Speaker 2: He would tell you he'd never I'm going to to cheat.
Speaker 2: I'll find one. Okay, talk making.
Speaker 4: Zion Zion Childress cornerback from your eye, just kind of
Speaker 4: looking at what he had done. He played multiple positions,
Speaker 4: played in the slot. Uh no, and if I remember correctly,
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Speaker 2: I thought we're talking sixties, so I'm still looking.
Speaker 5: Go ahead.
Speaker 4: Zion Zion Childress, two time team captain, started twenty five
Speaker 4: straight games at the nickel position.
Speaker 3: Supposed to have top speed special teams.
Speaker 5: Nicol is a playmaking of.
Speaker 4: As matter of fact, they started his career at Texas
Speaker 4: State before he transferred to Kentucky in twenty twenty two. So, uh,
Speaker 4: that caught my eye. We talked about our last showed
Speaker 4: Tyler Neville. Yes, the tight the tight end from Virginia Harvard.
Speaker 4: His whole story, Yes, so you know he had a
Speaker 4: pretty good story. And then there's another cornerback from rock Rockwell,
Speaker 4: Heath Bruce Harmon.
Speaker 3: Ran a four four four forty Norman Rockwell. It's hard
Speaker 3: to well, I was really asking about.
Speaker 2: Uh, it's a town called rock Wall.
Speaker 5: Somewhere around here.
Speaker 3: And his name is Harmon. Get all the ages in there,
Speaker 3: we can uh that one. That one caught my eye.
Speaker 4: So uh, but the Oregon wide receiver Trey Uh, Trey
Speaker 4: Shawn Holden. Uh, they would have had inside information on him.
Speaker 4: Played at Oregon. His coach for two years there was
Speaker 4: Junior Adams, now the Cowboys wide receiver coach.
Speaker 2: And he's, by the way, is very confident. Dimensions six
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Speaker 3: All big, honorable man.
Speaker 2: Well, he started his career at Alabama. He was at
Speaker 2: Alabama for three years and then Oregon. In the last
Speaker 2: two years. Uh and had thirty seven catches in twenty
Speaker 2: three with bo Nick's throwing to him, uh in six touchdowns,
Speaker 2: and last year with Dylan Gabriel throwing to him, he
Speaker 2: had forty three catches, five touchdowns, sixteen and a half
Speaker 2: yards to catch. I said, he's very confident. He thinks
Speaker 2: that he was the best receiver in the draft.
Speaker 3: Just ask him, Wow, was that was in his interview
Speaker 3: when he got here?
Speaker 5: Was he wrong?
Speaker 2: He calculated Quinn yours thought he was so, and so
Speaker 2: they got a chance to prove it right right the
Speaker 2: other ever, since you thought you were the best cornerback
Speaker 2: in the draft too, exactly, So there you go, perfect example.
Speaker 2: I was, and you were perfect example and you went undrafted.
Speaker 2: Damn right, Yeah, Trey Shaun Holden Quinn, yours listened to
Speaker 2: Everson Walls. You can be the best any other cornerback
Speaker 2: in the draft.
Speaker 3: Stand out in there.
Speaker 5: Right, Oh yeah, right, decent career university, of course. But
Speaker 5: he moved to safety after after the strike. You in
Speaker 5: eighty two he moved and that was eighty one to said, yeah,
Speaker 5: but he was eighty one class.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: You know you've you've arrived when you can just say
Speaker 2: Ronnie and everybody knows you you're talking about. It's like
Speaker 2: you just say Everson and everyone knows.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, that's the unusual name. Ronnie. Yeah, you could
Speaker 5: pick a lot of Ronnie's, but you know who we're
Speaker 5: talking about.
Speaker 2: Just like when you say the name Walter, you think
Speaker 2: of the greatest tight end in Auburn history, and it's
Speaker 2: now a consensus. I looked it up and according to
Speaker 2: the Bleacher Report team, it's Walter Reeves. It's the he
Speaker 2: was a two time All American and second round draft pick.
Speaker 5: If I hear Walter, that's not the Walter, I'm going Okay,
Speaker 5: that ain't the one.
Speaker 4: Walter Reeves sounds like this. It's not like the hospital
Speaker 4: it does medical center. Okay, So my next question to you, guys,
Speaker 4: is we talked about wide receiver. What other position do
Speaker 4: you think is unfinished.
Speaker 2: For the cornerback? Cornerback, corner back, cornerback.
Speaker 4: Just the top of my list, cornerback, because you have
Speaker 4: Deron Bland, you have Trayvon Diggs whose medical issue with
Speaker 4: that cartilage problem and it wasn't like torn.
Speaker 3: There was a divot in it and they had to
Speaker 3: fill it in. And who knows if he'll be ready
Speaker 3: for Sorry, we can't put.
Speaker 5: Him on the list, right, We can't put him on
Speaker 5: the list.
Speaker 3: So we got if he is great, I doubt it,
Speaker 3: but he's now.
Speaker 4: My understanding is while he's not rehabbing here, he's rehabbing
Speaker 4: in Lord with somebody they're very familiar with, and they
Speaker 4: are understanding is it's going well. But again, until you
Speaker 4: get your hands on him yourself, you don't. And when
Speaker 4: they say going, well, what is the doing what he's
Speaker 4: supposed to be?
Speaker 5: Yeah? But does there hoping does that speed up his return? Oh?
Speaker 4: I don't know, or leave it at what it's supposed
Speaker 4: to be because its chances are he's going to start
Speaker 4: training camp at Pop on Pop is able to perform.
Speaker 4: You're hoping he's ready for the start of the season. Uh,
Speaker 4: And I think that's when you say it's going well,
Speaker 4: so you're hopeful for that. But even said that, there's
Speaker 4: no guarantee he's the same guy after suffering those back
Speaker 4: to back injuries knee injuries.
Speaker 5: So what other names we have?
Speaker 3: All Right?
Speaker 4: So I got Doron Bland Diggs, Caylin Carson who was
Speaker 4: pretty good until he hurt his shoulder and then he
Speaker 4: just kind of faded.
Speaker 5: And how's he looking.
Speaker 3: So he's back.
Speaker 4: I believe he had the shoulder surgery repaired and he's
Speaker 4: back now, so he should be ready to go. You
Speaker 4: traded for career veteran guy two years in the league,
Speaker 4: but he was a high draft choice and Buffalo was
Speaker 4: ready to let him go.
Speaker 3: God Booth, who you.
Speaker 4: Know they traded switched uh Shawn Wright for and Nayshaun
Speaker 4: Wright just got released and he was on the practice
Speaker 4: squad and Booth was he was one of those guys
Speaker 4: when he had to play.
Speaker 3: You were going, I don't know Josh Butler, so.
Speaker 2: You would feel Josh Butler's coming off in a c A.
Speaker 2: You got you got uh knee injuries at cornerback. Butler
Speaker 2: the first round of the third round pick Revel as
Speaker 2: well as Diggs. And I was going to feel and
Speaker 2: I feel much better about the cornerback position in November,
Speaker 2: and I do it September. Yeah, you got to get
Speaker 2: to November.
Speaker 5: Yeah. And and because everyone you're call him out here,
Speaker 5: you know it's a contingency.
Speaker 4: Revel will probably start training camp on Pop. But they're
Speaker 4: hopeful just because doctor Cooper did the surgery that they
Speaker 4: know as much about his uh situation as they can.
Speaker 4: And he was here doing his rehab at a rehab
Speaker 4: place in in the Dallas Fort Worth area and just
Speaker 4: and listening to him, and he's an outside corner.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: You know, this kid is chomping at the bit to
Speaker 3: get back out there. So that's what you have. Do
Speaker 3: you need?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: A veteran.
Speaker 2: Ye Gilmore?
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, And you're gonna have to decide what you
Speaker 4: can afford. Yeah, because Gilmore is like thirty five, ye thirty.
Speaker 2: Six, that's fine. He's in great shape. And and and
Speaker 2: you you might just need for apph a season. You know,
Speaker 2: you get these guys back, right, and you know you'll
Speaker 2: have injuries just get me to but you just got it.
Speaker 2: It's a long season and you get them.
Speaker 3: So, and what's today Today's so I look at it.
Speaker 2: You complete the roster?
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that I was gonna say, got to get
Speaker 4: through those first four or five games. Well, we don't
Speaker 4: know what they are, but we will on May fourteenth,
Speaker 4: by a.
Speaker 2: Week from tomorrow. Yeah, And whether it's signing them now
Speaker 2: or signing them in June, whatever, they need to sign
Speaker 2: a Stephan Gilmore and a an Amari Cooper or a
Speaker 2: Keenan Allen. Which which pair do you like?
Speaker 5: I like Cooper?
Speaker 2: Okay, Cooper and Gilmore.
Speaker 5: We're familiar, man. Yeah, it's all about both of them. Yeah,
Speaker 5: they just sound like low hanging fruit to me.
Speaker 4: Really, Now, what about backup quarterback number two guy? You
Speaker 4: trusting what they have right now?
Speaker 2: I would like a veteran guy in here.
Speaker 4: He's just saying, though, absolutely, and there's a couple out there.
Speaker 4: I just want somebody that has started more than one
Speaker 4: game in the well, no, two games, two games, started
Speaker 4: two games, but that was twenty nineteen.
Speaker 2: CJ. Bethard.
Speaker 3: Okay, So Will.
Speaker 5: Gear has been around here since twenty nineteen.
Speaker 3: I believe so, I believe.
Speaker 2: Well I remember that. I mean he's only been here
Speaker 2: most recently since December first because he was let go.
Speaker 2: He was with the Eagles because he was with Kelling Moore.
Speaker 2: He was let go and or and picked up.
Speaker 3: I think he started those two games with Carolina.
Speaker 2: Yes, he did with Carolina. He started two games early
Speaker 2: in his career.
Speaker 5: But that's it.
Speaker 2: Years old.
Speaker 5: He's been on thirty years old and nice boy, he's
Speaker 5: just can chill and just kind of.
Speaker 2: But he's been more practice squad than he hadn't been
Speaker 2: Chase Daniel on a fifty three man roster making that
Speaker 2: kind of money.
Speaker 4: Chase Daniels, that's what most of the boy for quarterbacks
Speaker 4: that lasted without having to start.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, must be nice.
Speaker 3: Which I heard his funny story. The first time he
Speaker 3: started was Kansas City.
Speaker 4: It was Christmas. I think they tried calling him on
Speaker 4: Christmas Eve and they couldn't get hold. He was with
Speaker 4: his family, right and finally he looks at his phone
Speaker 4: and it's a call from Kansas City. He's wondering what
Speaker 4: the hell and they said, whoever was starting at that
Speaker 4: point is hurt and you're starting tomorrow.
Speaker 2: That was his first four A and NFL funny story
Speaker 2: on Mickey and Chase Daniel. Because Chase went to Missouri. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Mickey's alma mater. We did a high school football game
Speaker 2: at Texas City.
Speaker 3: Playoff game.
Speaker 2: It was a playoff game south Lake Carrol versus Denton Ryan,
Speaker 2: and we were broadcasting on the Cowboys Channel whatever and
Speaker 2: seen by no one. So Vicky before the Gabe, he
Speaker 2: knew that this quarterback from South Lake had was signing
Speaker 2: with committed Missouri. He had committed to Missouri, so he
Speaker 2: had to go check him out and just see how
Speaker 2: tall he was. And so Mickey goes down on the field,
Speaker 2: it measures himself against Chase Daniel just to see if
Speaker 2: he might be tall enough to play college.
Speaker 3: And my result was I'm skeptical.
Speaker 2: And he turns out and he turned out being the
Speaker 2: best quarterback Missouri he's ever had.
Speaker 3: And I don't know how many years later, but he
Speaker 3: was here.
Speaker 4: Basically doing a golf tournament to raise money for Missouri,
Speaker 4: and I was doing the ceremony afterwards, awards ceremony, hosting it,
Speaker 4: and I told that story about I said, yeah, I was.
Speaker 3: Really worried he was too short. He stated next to me,
Speaker 3: he got out of his tipping topes to show that
Speaker 3: he was taller than me.
Speaker 2: Here right, Uh, and he said, I'm too short.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and he was.
Speaker 4: He put he put Missouri football on it, no doubt,
Speaker 4: and put it the university on the map in this
Speaker 4: area because all of a sudden people understood what the
Speaker 4: logo was and started going just the general school there.
Speaker 4: So my point was, whoever's in his family automatically gets
Speaker 4: a scholarship to University of Missouri.
Speaker 5: Fends favorite quarterback. Really, yes, Chase stands name.
Speaker 3: He's doing some broadcasting, he is.
Speaker 2: He's doing a good job broadcasting too, South of Lake Son.
Speaker 5: All right.
Speaker 2: Uh, they produced broadcasters there, Greg Greig McElroy too, Bill Jones.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: Okay, that does it. And uh, our thanks to producer
Speaker 2: Supreme Chris Beam, who did not have to interject anything
Speaker 2: into today's show and catch us on anything.
Speaker 3: We were on our own.
Speaker 2: We didn't have to correct us, didn't correct us. Welcome
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