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Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, it looks so whitewashed.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how to do lighting with you, guys.

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Speaker 5: You need a ring light, you need a don't worry

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Speaker 5: from uh Christmas Christmas story and you're good with that too, surprised, man.

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Speaker 1: So we are so excited to continue the celebration. We've

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Speaker 1: Do you remember where No One Gets Out Alive came from?

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Speaker 4: Well? Well? Two things.

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Speaker 3: I didn't get any immediate response, but there were, like

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Speaker 8: We actually had we actually had a page and TV Guide.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, did you heard them?

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Speaker 4: It gain notoriety later in.

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Speaker 2: Life, We talked about this with Jeff McCracken.

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Speaker 1: It is folklore among all of us that this episode

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Speaker 4: Did I see what?

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Speaker 4: I know we didn't.

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Speaker 4: So I don't think we saw your misbehavior, but I

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Speaker 3: This is the kind of episode where you're letting loose,

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Speaker 7: We had never had.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we used to go McCracken and a bunch of us.

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Speaker 3: We go to Timmy Nolans a lot.

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Speaker 8: I love Timmy Nolans has the best beef ball. Oh

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Speaker 7: The bread bowl was just so good.

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Speaker 8: And is it I don't have no ideas still there, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And I'm not gonna tell any of the cracks the stories.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 4: You remembers watching and not not back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she's seeing it a lot in life, you know.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, boymous world, as you know, has had a

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Speaker 4: I was, yeah, maybe, I'm sure. I'm sure Darren used it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's my dad.

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Speaker 4: I'm embarrassed.

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying I have some writer friends who, like,

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Speaker 4: But I you know, what, are you gonna say, Hey,

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Speaker 7: I say that all the time. People still don't don't care.

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Speaker 6: It's not no, It's okay. So I know you're a

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Speaker 6: let you pick a series if you haven't.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, honestly, the first Nightmare in Elle Street

446
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Speaker 3: were terrifying. I mean I honestly, and I was, I was,

447
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Speaker 3: I forget what I was in probably in my twenties.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's scared. I mean.

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Speaker 3: And one of my friends played a really horrible trick

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Speaker 3: on me. It was it was that's the kind of move.

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Speaker 3: That one really impacted me.

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Speaker 2: So that's the horrible trick they played on you.

453
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Speaker 3: It's something with a head in the in their bedroom

454
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Speaker 3: just appeared with blood.

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Speaker 4: It was.

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Speaker 3: It was, but I was really startled im like that

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Speaker 3: movie I saw by myself in the theater, which is.

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Speaker 7: That's that was a scary movie. That was like a

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Speaker 7: legit scary movie.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, screen.

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Speaker 6: Horror film I saw and it's still oh yeah, I

462
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Speaker 6: was eight years old.

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Speaker 7: He saw nightbourn Elm Street when you were eight.

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Speaker 6: Joey Fitzgerald's parents let us rent whatever we wanted to.

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Speaker 6: So Last Day, the Night of.

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Speaker 2: Joe it sounds like such a Joey fitz Gerald thing.

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Speaker 6: Fitz Gerald's man, it was always a little wild over there.

468
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Speaker 6: And so we rented three movies and I wanted to,

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Speaker 6: you know, let's do this and then all the other

470
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Speaker 6: kids was a big sleeper. It was probably a birthday party.

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Speaker 6: Everyone else went to sleep, so I was the only

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Speaker 6: one watching it with the parents. And yeah, I couldn't

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Speaker 6: finish it, which I should have finished it because I

474
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Speaker 6: probably would have gotten through it and had a bat

475
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Speaker 6: but I had to run away and try and go

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Speaker 6: to sleep. I couldn't sleep all night.

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Speaker 4: Years.

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Speaker 6: I did finally come back and watch it. It's it's

479
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Speaker 6: it's a masterpiece and a dream sequence movie.

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Speaker 4: Makes sense that.

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Speaker 8: My older brother to keep me out of his room,

482
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Speaker 8: knew how much I hated night Ronow. She should just

483
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Speaker 8: put a big Freddy Krueger post round his wall. And

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Speaker 8: I never went in his room again.

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Speaker 7: I mean it was like he was terrifying, terrified.

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Speaker 3: I mean scream also scared me. And uh, you know,

487
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Speaker 3: when I was eight, I saw a psycho.

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Speaker 4: In the oh.

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Speaker 6: Scarred my mom too. That's like one of those classes.

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Speaker 3: It scarred me and scared I was. I couldn't get

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Speaker 3: over what was happening. And that was like eight years.

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Speaker 3: I can never shower at home alone without being afraid.

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Speaker 7: She said. It's like an entire generation of people can't

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Speaker 7: in there in their shower because of Psycho.

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Speaker 4: I mean, my kids relaxed in the shower. You always love.

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Speaker 4: My brother once came in.

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Speaker 7: Oh my gosh, there you go.

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Speaker 4: He did it.

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Speaker 3: And I know and I'm yelling Stott, but it's still

500
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Speaker 3: it's scared. That Yeah, but I love horror movies and

501
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Speaker 3: like drags from the Grive scene every one.

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Speaker 4: I still go to see them.

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Speaker 8: You like a lawn Cheney fan like that, kind of

504
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Speaker 8: like the old school stuff.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean I saw abnix Is telling me Frankenstein,

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Speaker 4: if you ever saw that the Wolfman scene.

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Speaker 3: I was five. I hid behind a chair. It was

508
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Speaker 3: I didn't know. I didn't know what to do. A

509
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Speaker 3: guy's turning into a were wolf and he was so scary.

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Speaker 4: Well, the classics and the new stuff, it's all I

511
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Speaker 4: like to be scared.

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Speaker 7: Do you remember were there any other pitches for what

513
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Speaker 7: the film genre could be to do this episode?

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Speaker 4: I'll just keep this one short. I don't remember, Okay.

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think I think we. I

516
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Speaker 3: think Scream had come out right, Yeah, I think that

517
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Speaker 3: was the template. Yes, let's let's take advantage of the popularity,

518
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Speaker 3: and you know, this is one where you know, maybe

519
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Speaker 3: Michael knows better. I mean, Blema wasn't there for this one.

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Speaker 3: He would have known better because his memory is better

521
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Speaker 3: than mine. But uh yeah, McCracken would now ask him

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Speaker 3: next time he's on again.

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Speaker 7: He's supposed to ask you. This seems like a weird

524
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Speaker 7: kind of telephone game. You guys are playing with us.

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Speaker 4: We're getting older.

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Speaker 1: Man, without being too self deprecating, is this your favorite

527
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Speaker 1: episode of Boy Meings World?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Of course, oh Boymings World.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, yes, I'm so happy.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, obviously I have some. There's some, you know,

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Speaker 3: iconic episodes that I love you and each of you

532
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Speaker 3: have great story and I love all that stuff. But

533
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Speaker 3: it's just the most fun and it's probably the only

534
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Speaker 3: one I rewatch just because you know, Halloween happens. There

535
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Speaker 3: are something I don't really watch much on my own,

536
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Speaker 3: but this one, again, I was happy to watch.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's fun.

538
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Speaker 3: It's fun to watch you guys. It was really fun.

539
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Speaker 3: It's just fun to see you guys in that element.

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Speaker 3: And and also remember the storyline how upset you know, right,

541
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Speaker 3: it was about you guys breaking up and everyone mad

542
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Speaker 3: about it. It was, but but just within the context

543
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Speaker 3: of what this episode became and again mccrack and mccrack

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Speaker 3: and McCracken, and you know, I never want to downplay

545
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Speaker 3: Michael's involveding.

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Speaker 4: You know, this was the joke with Kenny with the.

547
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Speaker 2: Pencil, such a good joke, you know, and well.

548
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Speaker 4: He was this tall, you know, I mean, so it

549
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Speaker 4: might be the best joke. It's a great joke.

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Speaker 6: It's because it's because it comes off of a death.

551
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Speaker 6: It's like the reversal is just the fact that Corey just.

552
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Speaker 4: And Ben's a lot reading was like it was great.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, line you were able to straddle between horror

554
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Speaker 1: and scares and hard sharp laughs is just unparalleled, Like

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Speaker 1: it's so so good. You guys did a fantastic job.

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Speaker 1: You especially, and just so you know, it is many

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Speaker 1: many people. I know you know this but because there

558
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Speaker 1: is social media now, but it is many people's favorite

559
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Speaker 1: episode of Boy Meets World. It's also many people's first

560
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Speaker 1: terrifying memory of being scared by an episode, which in

561
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Speaker 1: hindsight is also it's so fun.

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Speaker 8: So also you have to keep in mind you're tuning

563
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Speaker 8: in to Boy Meets World, so you're expecting one thing.

564
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Speaker 8: It's not Halloween, so you're not expecting a scary episode.

565
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Speaker 8: You just think it's going to be another day and

566
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Speaker 8: then you're eight years old and then you can't sleep

567
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Speaker 8: that night.

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Speaker 7: So you did that.

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Speaker 4: You did that, LL do that. Forget the January. He

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Speaker 4: was a big part of it all.

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Speaker 7: We can't find him now.

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Speaker 4: I really believe he was.

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Speaker 7: A background actor, a fig minut of our imagination. No,

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Speaker 7: that's when we.

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Speaker 6: Think all made him up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, crack and found him somewhere. Honestly, I don't know,

577
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Speaker 3: but you could not have found someone I was. I

578
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,040
Speaker 3: watched him really carefully last night. I mean, he's obviously

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Speaker 3: not an actor, but just he didn't even react the

580
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Speaker 3: way you would expect him to react.

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Speaker 2: He just had Yeah.

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Speaker 7: And it works. Yeah, that's great.

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Speaker 4: It all works.

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Speaker 2: It works so well.

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Speaker 4: Thats were great, it was. It was fun to watch

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Speaker 4: you all. I mean, you know, the screams, you know,

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Speaker 4: you know why why why why? Why? You know?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, why why why? Why? Why is he doing that?

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Speaker 1: It's uh, it's really just one of our favorite episodes

590
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Speaker 1: for so many reasons.

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Speaker 2: You are the largest part of that.

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Speaker 1: You and McCracken, for sure, So thank you both so

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Speaker 1: much for such a fun week, such a fun episode.

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Speaker 1: On behalf of all of our fans. We want to

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Speaker 1: thank you as well. I did say in your intro

596
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Speaker 1: I'd like to think that you've just never had to

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Speaker 1: pay for a meal ever again in your life since

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Speaker 1: that episode aired.

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Speaker 2: But I know, I know that's not true.

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Speaker 3: But plenty and I've had plenty of meals. Well, we

601
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Speaker 3: love from I just we'll talk about talk about meals.

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Speaker 3: But that's another let's.

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Speaker 1: Get sushi again, So let's get let's get lunch, something

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Speaker 1: other than sushi. He doesn't love sushi, so something other

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Speaker 1: than sushi.

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Speaker 6: I just liked that place that we went to last time.

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Speaker 7: Man, that's my place.

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Speaker 3: I'll email you the script please and we'll click a

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Speaker 3: date and all that stuff. But seeing you guys, I

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Speaker 3: love doing this. It's fun to relive that time. Yes,

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Speaker 3: special episode.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, it really is. Thank you.

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Speaker 9: Bye.

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Speaker 2: Oh what a week?

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Speaker 9: Huh?

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Speaker 6: Well, I think we we've talked it to death, have

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Speaker 6: we until it comes?

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Speaker 7: Yeah, this should be the rest of the podcast. I

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Speaker 7: think we should just go over and then there were shown.

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Speaker 6: Just every week that podcast where I just watched Grown

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Speaker 6: Ups two every day for a year.

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Speaker 7: Yes, I have.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's an Australian podcast. I could never

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Speaker 6: do that.

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Speaker 2: No, no, I would, I would not make it.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 1: Thank you all for tuning in for this episode of

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