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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Crime Round Up with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Y'all listen, I gotta tell y'all something.

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Speaker 1: When me and Nancy were in our twenties in Fulton County,

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Speaker 1: we had a good time, you hear me. I tell

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Speaker 1: people we burned at Lanta down again, But we had

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Speaker 1: good friends, we had good times, We had good coworkers,

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Speaker 1: and I just want to say, I think you and

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Speaker 1: I were very lucky at some of the folks that

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Speaker 1: we had around us, whether it was mister Slaton or

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Speaker 1: the judges or other prosecutors or GBI agents, because there

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Speaker 1: wasn't a whole lot of people trying to get us

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Speaker 1: in trouble. Nobody ever that I can recall, and this

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Speaker 1: is the truth. I do not recall one time where

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Speaker 1: anybody gave the appearance of something going on with us

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Speaker 1: that shouldn't have been going on. Never you know how

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Speaker 1: sometimes they say, well, you know, don't go to dinner

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Speaker 1: alone with so and so because it might look like,

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Speaker 1: you know, y'all are doing something y'all shouldn't be doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, nobody ever put us in that position.

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Speaker 3: Well, nobody ever says that about makings everybody knows I

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Speaker 3: do not have time to go to dinner with anybody

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Speaker 3: and look like I'm doing something inappropriate.

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Speaker 2: But y'all that was true when she was twenty. She

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Speaker 2: had her arms.

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Speaker 1: Always filled with case files and wanted to talk and

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Speaker 1: wanted to advocate, and wanted to make sure she was

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Speaker 1: ready for trial. So I'm saying all this because Nancy,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about Madison Brooks.

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Speaker 3: Okay, wait, can I just tell you something? You just

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Speaker 3: shocked me because I realized I have not changed. If

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Speaker 3: somebody tells me, let's meet for lunch, I'm like, I say,

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Speaker 3: oh sure, On the inside, I'm crying lunch, go and

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Speaker 3: spend a full hour where there's so much to do. See.

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Speaker 3: I know that's an odd mindset, but to me it

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Speaker 3: feels perfectly one great. I wouldn't stand it to be

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Speaker 3: any other way.

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Speaker 1: I can see you right now, walking fast as lightning,

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Speaker 1: arms filled.

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Speaker 2: I mean you could hardly see over it.

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Speaker 1: You know. You just were going to work, always work,

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Speaker 1: always thinking. And you know people ask me all the

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Speaker 1: time since she's been on TV, is she different? Has

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Speaker 1: she changed?

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Speaker 2: Not a bit?

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Speaker 1: Not an ounce in any way. I mean, you were

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Speaker 1: always the one that wanted everything correct.

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Speaker 3: And done properly, which brings me back to your first sentence. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I believe it. To get to the point, you mentioned

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Speaker 3: Maddie Brooks, whose mother I consider to be a friend.

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Speaker 3: Now I've talked to her so many times. Ashley Boaster, Oh,

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Speaker 3: I assume you're talking about that judge. You needs to

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Speaker 3: get off the bench right now, and not just on

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Speaker 3: this case, because now that I realize this judge will

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Speaker 3: not get down off the bench in this it's it's

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Speaker 3: a gang rape according to prosecutors of this beautiful young girl,

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Speaker 3: I mean absolutely beautiful. Did you know Maddie wanted to

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Speaker 3: go to law school and she was in a special program.

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Speaker 3: It was a three year program where you get your

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Speaker 3: undergrad degree and then you immediately somehow you have your

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Speaker 3: undergrad and your law school degree in less years. It

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Speaker 3: took me seven years to do that, and then to

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Speaker 3: continue the torture. I wanted too, three more years at

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Speaker 3: NYU to get a concentration LLM and constitutional criminal law,

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Speaker 3: But of course I was going part time, so everybody

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Speaker 3: else did it much quickly, much more quick me. But

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Speaker 3: this girl had so much going for her. It just

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Speaker 3: breaks my heart. And now in the case, where this

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Speaker 3: is what happened. Maddie was out in Tigerland. Tigerland is

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Speaker 3: a series of bars and restaurants near LSU and it

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Speaker 3: was late at night, and she had had multiple drinks

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Speaker 3: as she leaves to get a ride home with some

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Speaker 3: guys and according to the state, and I have no

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Speaker 3: reason to disbelieve the state, she was raped by three

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Speaker 3: of them, and the other one videoed what was happening

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Speaker 3: in the backseat. Then when it was all over, they

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Speaker 3: put her out and she immediately gets mowed down and

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Speaker 3: traffic dead. Why they are not prosecuting this as a

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Speaker 3: felony murder? I do not know. Felony murder unlike malice murder,

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Speaker 3: which requires intent to do the deed, such as think

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Speaker 3: of a long drawn out plan to poison someone one

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Speaker 3: over weeks and months. That's a good example. Felony murder

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Speaker 3: is Cheryl and I did you see how I did that?

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Speaker 3: Right there? Cheryl and I not mes Cheryl, Cheryl and

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Speaker 3: I he said that it was me. Cheryl and I

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Speaker 3: go into the bank. Let's just pick on Chase. Oh,

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Speaker 3: here comes David. Shut up, David, I guess you know

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Speaker 3: the crime round up with Cheryl McCollum. We go into

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Speaker 3: the Chase bank and I say, Cheryl, don't get crazy,

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Speaker 3: don't shoot the teller. What happens? I get the money

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Speaker 3: and you shoot the teller. I'm like, what did I

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Speaker 3: tell you? Yes, So anyway I have to get I

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Speaker 3: get prosecuted for murder too, because I'm in the commission

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Speaker 3: of a felony and a death occurs. It doesn't matter

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Speaker 3: if I planned it, it happened. They committed a felony

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Speaker 3: rape and she is dead. Bam. That needs to be

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Speaker 3: a fellony murder prosecution for the jury to accept or rechecked.

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Speaker 3: That said the judge, you want to tell them, Cheryl?

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Speaker 3: Do you want to tell them?

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Speaker 1: I will start it, but I want you to take

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Speaker 1: it because again, when you give the appearance of something

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Speaker 1: and you should know better.

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Speaker 2: So here's the deal.

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Speaker 3: Are you trying to say the appearance of impropriety? I mean,

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Speaker 3: let's be clear what we're talking about.

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Speaker 2: I'm fixing to get real clear.

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Speaker 1: The judge on this case has a son who is

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Speaker 1: a serial sex offender. He has multiple convictions, not just allegations, convictions.

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Speaker 1: She has in the last short period of time of

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Speaker 1: taking the bench. I think she got on the bench

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Speaker 1: in January within three months. She's doing this kind of activity.

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Speaker 1: She dismissed a rape case from nineteen seventy two, just

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Speaker 1: outright dismissed it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, can we just go back, hold on, I'm talking.

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Speaker 3: I'll name her judge Gail horn Ray. Let's don't beat

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Speaker 3: around the bush, Female District Court Judge Gail horn Ray.

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Speaker 3: Let's start with her son. Okay, let's just start right there.

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Speaker 3: She represented her own son at a guilty plea repeat

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Speaker 3: guilty plea, not trial, which means you admitted it. So

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Speaker 3: what do you have to complain about on appeal? But

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Speaker 3: don't worry. She appealed the guilty plea. She stood by

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Speaker 3: her son who was convicted. I'm talking off the top

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Speaker 3: of my head right now of six rapes, six rapes

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Speaker 2: That were classmates.

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Speaker 3: He knew them, Yes, broke you together homes, which is

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Speaker 3: one of the reasons he would always wear a mask. Idiot.

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Speaker 3: Idiot leaves behind the mask, and then the next girl

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Speaker 3: he rapes, he's wearing a monkey mask. Have you ever

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Speaker 3: seen those? They're usually mysteries or action movies where the

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Speaker 3: perps are wearing like pig masks or monkey masks, just

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Speaker 3: to see that he would get in their room in

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Speaker 3: a gun. At first I thought he would take the

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Speaker 3: sheet from the bed and put it in their mouths.

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Speaker 3: Then I realized, as I continued reading the appellate decision

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Speaker 3: denying the appeal, that he apparently would bring strips of

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Speaker 3: pillowcaser sheets with him to cover the girl's mouth, duct

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Speaker 3: tape their eyes, their heads, sometimes their mouth, and rape them,

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Speaker 3: threaten to kill them, and they would see him in

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Speaker 3: the mask and he would rape them. Okay, he was

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Speaker 3: convicted at a guilty plea for the rapes. His mother,

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Speaker 3: the now sitting district Judge gil Horn Ray was standing

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Speaker 3: by him, got him a fifty year sentence. He could

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Speaker 3: have gotten life, but I mean fifty years. I've seen

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Speaker 3: a lot cheaper pleased than that in Fulton County. Not mine,

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Speaker 3: of course, but fifty years. And then tried to appeal it,

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Speaker 3: saying he basically didn't know what he was doing because

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Speaker 3: be there for to tell him what he was doing.

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Speaker 3: But the reality is what was the alternative, go to

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Speaker 3: trial and get life behind bars. That said, she has

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Speaker 3: that horrible conflict of interest for her own son is

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Speaker 3: a serial rapist, and now she's presiding over a rape

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Speaker 3: case where there's a teen girl. A young girl raped

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Speaker 3: an LSU student, Madison Maddie Brooks. Brooks was just nineteen

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Speaker 3: these guys, came on Washington. I know their names by heart,

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Speaker 3: case and Carver, Everett, Lee does Macarter the driver apparently

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Speaker 3: just videoed the whole thing. Anyway, that's not all, as

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Speaker 3: you were saying. In two prior cases, she one rapist

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Speaker 3: convicted at trial comes before her. And by the way,

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Speaker 3: her son's name was Nelson Dan Taylor. Then there's a

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Speaker 3: case of DeAndre Cox. He was accused of raping his

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Speaker 3: walk free a bell she reduced it.

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Speaker 1: She does it without notifying the victim, who still lives

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Speaker 1: in the same neighborhood as his family, So now she's

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Speaker 1: likely to see him when she believes he's in jail

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Speaker 3: She did it completely without their knowledge. There is another

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Speaker 3: case I want to tell you about, same judge. A

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Speaker 3: long sentence on rate okay, he comes before her and

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Speaker 3: asking her could she just allow him the possibility of parole.

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Speaker 3: They just wanted the judge to reduce the charge. So

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Speaker 3: he had already done I forgot thirty years. They wanted

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Speaker 3: her to reduce the charge so he would at least

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Speaker 3: be eligible for parole. Guess what she did, you know,

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Speaker 3: at some future day, so he could look forward to

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Speaker 3: someday getting parole. Guess what she did? She said, you

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Speaker 3: know what, I think the trial judge in your case

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Speaker 3: gave the wrong your instruction. I am vacating your sentence.

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Speaker 3: You can walk free today today today.

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Speaker 1: So when have you ever heard of a judge granting

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Speaker 1: something that the defense didn't even ask for?

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Speaker 3: Never on a convicted rapist.

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Speaker 1: Never, never heard of it in my life. And I

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Speaker 1: want to go back that first one. You and I

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Speaker 1: have both worked rape crisis centers. We have fought for

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Speaker 1: the rape shield. You know, leave her name out of it,

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Speaker 1: don't put it all over the paper and everywhere else.

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Speaker 1: She releases this person without again notifying the victim. Hey,

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Speaker 1: I just want to give you a heads up. He

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Speaker 1: could be around. He could be at the grocery store.

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Speaker 1: He could be, you know, jogging past your house. He

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Speaker 1: could show up at your church. Just wanted to let

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Speaker 1: you know she doesn't do that. She leaves that victim vulnerable.

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Speaker 1: And to me, you want to talk about revictimizing somebody,

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Speaker 1: She's just going about her life and could come face

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Speaker 1: to face with this person at target.

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Speaker 3: This is not the first time she's done that. And

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Speaker 3: now I don't know why she is still allowed to

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Speaker 3: sit on this case. And I just wanted to tell

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Speaker 3: you the name of the guy that we were just

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Speaker 3: talking about. His name was Donald Ray Link as at

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Speaker 3: a link in a chain L I and K aggravated rape.

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Speaker 3: She dismissed his conviction for aggravated rape, which had not

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Speaker 3: even been requested by his defense lawyers. Now, I think

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Speaker 3: what they were doing, they wanted it reduced from aggravator,

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Speaker 3: which means you had a weapon, usually too, I mean,

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Speaker 3: it could mean a number of things, but that's my

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Speaker 3: wild guess to rape. So he had a chance of

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Speaker 3: parole and that was back in nineteen seventy two. He

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Speaker 3: was convicted, so he men jail for a long time.

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Speaker 3: He wanted the possibility of parole. Instead of granting him

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Speaker 3: Ashley Bobert, who is Mattie's mother. She would not say

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Speaker 3: Just judges got to go. Why do people elect these idiots?

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Speaker 1: It is beyond anything that I have heard of recently,

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Speaker 1: I think me and you and you and me need

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Speaker 3: Why are you turing me like this? You know that

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Speaker 1: I don't know what's worth talking to a lawyer or

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Speaker 1: that isn't that's just hell because then you can't say nothing.

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Speaker 3: Just like when I said I.

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Speaker 5: Can't say anything, well I'm a double negative.

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Speaker 2: Well watch this. I won't never not do that again.

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Speaker 2: So let's get y'all what happened in Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 6: Actually, Bober has two children.

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Speaker 4: Maddie had two siblings, and she says that she the

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Speaker 4: only way that she can't keep going Cheryl is that

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Speaker 6: It's just devastated her and to think, and of.

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Speaker 5: Course one of the guys in the car starts to

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Speaker 6: But I find that it's very hard to believe that

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Speaker 3: And rotate in and out of the back seat, and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And if it's consensual, why is she getting out running?

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Speaker 3: The whole thing is so upsetting to me. And you know,

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Speaker 3: I think about my little girl. Maddie was just living

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Speaker 3: what else? What other problem do we need to solve?

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Speaker 3: We solve that problem? The judge needs to go. I

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Speaker 3: want to talk to you about something regarding Coburger specifically,

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Speaker 3: There is delays, delays, delays. They might as well keep working.

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Speaker 3: In their case. There's something called I believe it's called

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Speaker 1: First, I want to tell everybody, your investigation does not

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Speaker 1: And here's what I think, and I wanted to ask

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Speaker 1: can talk. The parents of the victims can't talk. The

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Speaker 2: He was nowhere near the Verger site.

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Speaker 1: Even though there's a gag order, they keep influencing the

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Speaker 3: Hey, here's the thing, Cheryl, I want to talk Okay, yes, yes, yes, yes,

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Speaker 3: that's exactly what they're doing. Can I talk about the

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Speaker 3: evidence now instead of the defenses, underhanded tactics, the timeline

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Speaker 3: I find that very intriguing because if there is any video,

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Speaker 3: of course her husband, Fotus Dulos did it along with

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Speaker 3: know she couldn't have survived that. The law enforcement in

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Speaker 3: that jurisdiction amazing job that they did. They put together

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Speaker 3: caught photos at Dulos driving by. Where was he going

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Speaker 3: and why was this critical? He was going to take

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Speaker 3: of course you remember he borrowed a well he took

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Speaker 3: he didn't borrow, He took a coworker's car and actually

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Speaker 3: My point is not to rehash the disappearance of Jennifer Doulos,

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Speaker 3: Put together a video in cell phone data, a digital

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Speaker 3: montage that will demonstrate to the jury Coburger's movements much

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Speaker 3: as we saw, which I thought of that heoc Alexi

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Speaker 3: reverse drive. And that combined with cell phone data tracking

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Speaker 3: that's what they're doing right now, details on cell data

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Speaker 1: You want to know my favorite piece of evidence that

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Speaker 1: I haven't heard anybody really, you know, explore like they should.

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Speaker 3: Okay, wait, don't tell me, give me a choice. Let's

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Speaker 2: Was it DNA, the cell tower or a traffic ticket?

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Speaker 3: Well, of course you're going to go with the traffic ticket.

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Speaker 2: One hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: And if I was not, that was obvious. But it is.

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Speaker 1: It is the traffic ticket, but specifically the one that

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Speaker 3: Who he talks down to who he talks down to,

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Speaker 1: It's one that he got at eleven forty pm on

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Speaker 1: to me, I guarantee he didn't talk about moon and

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Speaker 3: He was just driving around look at the nightlife. He just,

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Speaker 1: That guy, And I'll tell you why he didn't have

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Speaker 2: This is what he's doing. He's stalking. He's a peeping tom.

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Speaker 1: He's setting up for exactly what occurred that fateful day

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Speaker 3: Well, I'm talking about when it's kind of a state

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Speaker 3: He was looking for similar images to that on the

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Speaker 3: He was with the FBI Cellular Analysis Survey team. He

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Speaker 3: to me. I'd like to hear if Coburger was spotted,

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Speaker 1: Scene right and nowhere near that park. I'm telling you

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Speaker 1: think when you invote all the cell tower stuff. But

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Speaker 1: even with that, I'll tell you, forget the cell tower,

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Speaker 1: forget it. It can't undo the DNA, it can't undo

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Speaker 3: No, it cannot. But all it takes is one at

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Speaker 3: His lawyers are going to call experts who will testify

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Speaker 3: But prosecutors, I mean, they can destroy all that with

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Speaker 1: Well, I know, months and months and months ago on

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Speaker 1: said he hain't got no alibi because if he did,

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Speaker 2: He has no alibi.

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Speaker 1: And some people on social media lost their minds and

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Speaker 2: When you have no location, you have no time.

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Speaker 1: Staffed evidence like a receipt or something like that where

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Speaker 1: you've got gasoline or chewing gum or something, and you

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Speaker 1: have no witnesses, Sugar, you ain't got no alibi.

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Speaker 3: Guess who just came in? Who the twins? They're ready

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Speaker 3: for supper? Are you ready for supper?

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Speaker 2: You've got two for one coming in.

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Speaker 3: They're here, And that means I'll drop everything, Cheryl, I'll

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Speaker 3: see a crime com.

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Speaker 2: I'll see it soon. My love be honeim. I'm Cheryl McCollum.

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Speaker 2: And this is the crime round Up with zones Heaven,