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Speaker 1: You're listening to Bloomberg BusinessWeek with krol Messer and Tim

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Speaker 1: Stenebek on Bloomberg Radio.

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Speaker 2: Got a number for you, mister stanoviek Okay, less than

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Speaker 2: twenty percent of undergraduate computer science degrees go to women,

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Speaker 2: less than twenty percent, and that data is coming from

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Speaker 2: the National Science Foundation. So that means four out of

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Speaker 2: every five degrees, four out of every five in an

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Speaker 2: industry already dominated by men. Have you seen the Barbie

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Speaker 2: movie Anybody go to Men? And our next guests are

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Speaker 2: trying to change that and get more young women and

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Speaker 2: individuals into coding.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very pleased to have with us this afternoon, oz Emiokparia,

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Speaker 3: the CEO of Code with CLASSI. Also with us is

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Speaker 3: kwk's content and community coordinator Alexis Williams. Both are here

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Speaker 3: in our Bloomberg Interactive Brokers Studio. KWK is a nonprofit organization.

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Speaker 3: It receives funding from Bloomberg Philanthropies, the philanthropic arm of

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Speaker 3: Bloomberg LP. It is the parent company of Bloomberg Radio. OZI,

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Speaker 3: I want to start with you just talk to us

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Speaker 3: a little about this organization because it's doing some really

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Speaker 3: important work.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So Coba Glossi started an twenty fifteen and is

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Speaker 4: the brainchild of our founder.

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Speaker 1: Carly Class.

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Speaker 4: So for those who are familiar, Carli Class is an

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Speaker 4: incredible entrepreneur, supermodel, philanthropist, and she started this organization back

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Speaker 4: in twenty fifteen based on her own personal experience learning

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Speaker 4: how to code and noticing when she lifted her head

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Speaker 4: up from the keyboard that there weren't other women in

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Speaker 4: the room. And so she used her platform, as she

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Speaker 4: has done many a time, to reach out to her

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Speaker 4: audience and say who else would want to have this

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Speaker 4: coding experience? And she was overwhelmed by the response from

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Speaker 4: her audience. Twenty one scholarship positions and she had thousands

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Speaker 4: of people interested, and that was the germ for Code

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Speaker 4: with Clossi back in twenty fifteen. And so here we

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Speaker 4: are eight years later, and we now have over ten

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Speaker 4: thousand young people in our alumni community. And this summer

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Speaker 4: we were about to wrap up our biggest summer ever,

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Speaker 4: sixty two camps, almost five thousand scholarships awarded, and we're kind.

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Speaker 2: Of on a role I want to bring a lix cinema,

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Speaker 2: But tell us about those alumni eight years that's a

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Speaker 2: big chunk of individuals and time invested. What are they

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Speaker 2: doing now? What are you hearing about that alumni base.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so our oldest cohort of alumni who went through

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Speaker 4: our summer programming started in twenty sixteen, and so those

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Speaker 4: folks are now twenty twenty five years old. So they

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Speaker 4: are graduating from university, they're getting their first jobs all

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Speaker 4: the way through the cohort that we have this summer.

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Speaker 4: Who are some of our youngest scholars the summer A

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Speaker 4: thirteen and so when they complete this program, they will

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Speaker 4: join our global community. And so they're doing a range

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Speaker 4: of things from you know, giving ted talks like Alexis

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Speaker 4: of the Apple Swift Student Challenge. So they're really just

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Speaker 4: sort of incredibly applying their skills and continuing to sort

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Speaker 4: of pursue their passion in tech.

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Speaker 2: Alexis, come on in on the work that you guys

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Speaker 2: are doing and just kind of building out this community

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Speaker 2: and what you are seeing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I just think one of the most amazing things

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Speaker 1: about Code with CLASSI is so many people are interested

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Speaker 1: in anding in general, but I feel like it sounds

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Speaker 1: that Code with Colossi does is really demystifying that idea

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Speaker 1: So it's really amazing to offer this opportunity to a

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Speaker 1: people who have been pushed to the margins in a

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Speaker 1: the work that Code with Colossi.

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Speaker 2: Does is we talk so much about inclusivity, and when

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Speaker 2: you said push to the margins, tell us about some

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Speaker 2: of the individuals, like who is actually participating in the program?

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Speaker 2: Because I agree with you, I hear more and more

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Speaker 2: when we talk about diversity, it's about inclusion, feeling like

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Speaker 1: So Code with opens its doors to young women, gender

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Speaker 1: open arms is so important.

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Speaker 2: We talk about tim and I have so many different

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Speaker 2: conversations about diversity inclusion. We do it with women in

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Speaker 2: so forth. But you know, there needs to be these important,

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Speaker 2: big steps that are game changing, life changing, that really

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Speaker 4: And I think it's what's interesting is I think there's

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Speaker 4: socioeconomic diversity. We also have folks that come in actually

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Speaker 4: knowing how to code. So to Alexis's point, what they

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Speaker 4: are coming for is not just the rigor of the

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Speaker 4: we're finding this really interesting mix of people that you

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Speaker 4: people of color, so you know, not only gender and diversity, socioeconomic,

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Speaker 4: skill level, political spectrum. We are sort of a space

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Speaker 4: that welcomes all in terms of trying to crack open

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to talk to you, Ozi about the

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Speaker 3: way that your own experience at some of the biggest companies,

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Speaker 3: some of the biggest tech companies in the world, kind

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Speaker 3: of shaped the kind of leader you are today.

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Speaker 2: Did you always feel like you belonged?

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Speaker 3: Well, that's what I'm wondering. I mean, you were at

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Speaker 3: about I don't know your experience and what you want

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Speaker 4: Well, I think that's I think that's why I was

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Speaker 4: definitely build to that. It's not something that you sort

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Speaker 4: also have to think about what are the systems that

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Speaker 4: I'm quite credentialed right Stanford undergrad master's degree, like so

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Speaker 4: not about the individual talent. There are also hurdles that

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Speaker 4: doing an incredible job of sparking the interest of a

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Speaker 2: Well, and you know we've often talked about this with

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Speaker 2: So where's the support network for that? I do want

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Speaker 2: it's a two week summer camp. I want to see

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Speaker 2: if I've got the numbers right, sixty two camps, forty

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Speaker 2: massive thirteen to eighteen year olds. So what are they

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Speaker 1: So basically we have four different curriculums where a scholars

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Speaker 1: So it's important that they're setting down yeah, and getting

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Speaker 4: Thirteen? And so what I think is remarkable again you know,

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Speaker 4: So it really is incredible to see thirteen year olds

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Speaker 2: I have a lot of nieces and I often just say,

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Speaker 2: you know, part of sometimes you just gotta like try

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Speaker 2: something because if we just spark an interest, and I

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Speaker 2: feel like that's what you guys, like, you're exposing them

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Speaker 2: two weeks is not a ton of time, but you can,

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Speaker 2: you can pack a lot in and you can spark

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Speaker 2: I know something to pursue, and I think it's just

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Speaker 2: really cool stuff. We'll come back and let us not.

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Speaker 2: Things are going and we will love to bring Carly

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Speaker 4: We would love to, we would love to.

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Speaker 2: I met her once. She's really tall,