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Speaker 3: Well, it was it was certainly a tough decision to make.

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Speaker 2: The blur was it, Yeah, yeah, I rarely get hit

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Speaker 1: I was looking at you. You mentioned school. His year

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Speaker 1: at Oklahoma State. If you guys don't know, over twenty

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Speaker 3: Like that, something like that.

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Speaker 1: Then with that, then Oklahoma State gets suspended. Great athlete,

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Speaker 3: And my dad said, my dad said, son, you're not

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Speaker 1: just like you literally changed the baskets, like the stanchions

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I was the first junior to come into the NFL

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Speaker 3: My dad pulled me aside and said, son, you got

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Speaker 4: His dad was military. Was your dad military esque?

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Speaker 3: I would say, yes, military esque? I mean he had

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Speaker 3: But for my dad, it was it was more because

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Speaker 2: So mine was both what I love and respect about

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Speaker 3: It came from Dad actually at home, just you know,

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Speaker 1: I think there's so many parts of your career that

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Speaker 1: And so I was wondering too, who it came from.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it was just you know, for me, do

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Speaker 1: There wasn't one time where you were like, I'm a

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