WEBVTT - MELYSSA FORD - Hot & Raw Poor Man's Sushi

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm your host, Colleen Witt, and today we have a

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<v Speaker 1>very hot and bothered guest up in the building. Melissa

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<v Speaker 1>Ford is in the building. Who hoo do who who?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited wearing New York shout out to WEEZYWT have

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<v Speaker 1>studios for having us and allowing us to, please Jesus

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<v Speaker 1>not burn down the studio with our makeshift kitchen.

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<v Speaker 2>I promise I will not burn down the studio.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, please, please don't.

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<v Speaker 3>Very very cognizant of the fact that this is you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and I told him, I said, if we burn it,

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<v Speaker 3>we'll pay for it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, keep right, I pray we don't.

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<v Speaker 1>What are you gonna have us eating today?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So this is a dish that I call poor

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<v Speaker 3>man sushi. And I remember when I sent you like

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<v Speaker 3>the ingredients, you were like, what the fuck is this?

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<v Speaker 1>What is this? I love though that you were fast

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<v Speaker 1>with it. I was like, oh, her struggle was real, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was. So. I've always been a jim rat.

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<v Speaker 3>I've all always been into, you know, physical fitness. I

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<v Speaker 3>started gymnastics when I was two years old. Shit, I

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<v Speaker 3>was in baby like Jack Butler's Baby School for swimming

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<v Speaker 3>when I was six months, Like, my parents like really

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<v Speaker 3>just like threw me back in.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Oh okay, she was just swimming amniotic fluid.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, she'll be fine. Wow. So that's really young. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean like there's a lot of baby school,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, swimming schools for babies and stuff like that,

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<v Speaker 3>and they.

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<v Speaker 1>Just kind of like really take to water very quickly.

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<v Speaker 3>So my parents just kind of like put me in

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<v Speaker 3>that little situation.

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<v Speaker 1>This is really like cooking. Hold on, yo. That is

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<v Speaker 1>like I was thinking, you know, we got this shout

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<v Speaker 1>outs to Walmar, but we we did buy this and

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<v Speaker 1>it was like a fifteen dollars like a hot plate,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was thinking, I wonder if this thing's really

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<v Speaker 1>gonna work. This thing, this thing you can have this

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<v Speaker 1>in like a college dorm or something like that's official.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah and so and so anyways, I was saying, how

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<v Speaker 3>I'm in. I've always been into physical fitness. So I

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<v Speaker 3>used to just kind of make this meal out of

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<v Speaker 3>like you know, can tuna fried up with a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit of spices and stuff like that, white rice and

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<v Speaker 3>some you know, just kind of mixed vegetables and I

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<v Speaker 3>just would get my carbs and my protein in in

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<v Speaker 3>a really simple way. You know, food was fuel, you

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<v Speaker 3>know when I was in my super duper gym rat days.

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<v Speaker 3>Now you're lucky to I'm lucky if I see the

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<v Speaker 3>inside of a gym like three to four times a week.

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<v Speaker 3>When you hit your forties, ship really becomes very real

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<v Speaker 3>as to how you have to.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay stay on top of your.

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<v Speaker 3>Fitness regime and your regimen and your your dietary regimen.

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<v Speaker 1>Things have to change.

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<v Speaker 3>Alcohol can't be you know, just binging and shit like

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<v Speaker 3>that anymore, and you got to start lifting heavy.

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<v Speaker 1>Cardio out the window.

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<v Speaker 3>You can do a little bit of cardio, but mainly

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<v Speaker 3>as women especially, you have to focus on lifting heavy.

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<v Speaker 3>Why because we lose bone density as we get older, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, before before before we get into scaring me away

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<v Speaker 1>from growing older. You know, It's funny because I listened

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<v Speaker 1>to Hot and Bothered and I don't want to detour,

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<v Speaker 1>but I called I definitely called Dori and was like, yo,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't I don't know if I'm feeling like what's

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<v Speaker 1>about to happen to me? I mean, I'm in the

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<v Speaker 1>forty year land and listening to your show. It really

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<v Speaker 1>did showcase like I have no idea. They definitely don't

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<v Speaker 1>talk about this enough to women, because I was like, WHOA.

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<v Speaker 1>I was also very scared because you're like, no, there

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<v Speaker 1>was not about to get real real quick.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a point in time like the medical industry

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<v Speaker 3>has not been kind to women, you know. And don't

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<v Speaker 3>even get me started on what the medical industry has

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<v Speaker 3>done to black people and black women.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, they basically used to experiment on our.

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<v Speaker 3>Bodies, but women in general, menopause was just not seen

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<v Speaker 3>as anything that the medical industry felt like they needed

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<v Speaker 3>to study. They didn't need to study our bodies because

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<v Speaker 3>you know, we were basically given the message that after

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<v Speaker 3>our child bearing years, we have zero value. That was

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<v Speaker 3>That's literally the message that was given to us. And

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<v Speaker 3>what boggles my mind is that this has the potential

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<v Speaker 3>to be a multi billion dollar industry with all of

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<v Speaker 3>the things that we need.

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<v Speaker 1>I have in the last.

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<v Speaker 3>Six years since I started perimenopause, I have seen more

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<v Speaker 3>doctors and gone to hospitals and doctors offices more times

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<v Speaker 3>than I have in my entire life. Tenfold. I was

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<v Speaker 3>I've been I've been an.

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<v Speaker 2>Extremely healthy person my whole life.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Thank God, I'm not somebody who suffered from

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<v Speaker 3>indiby triosis, Pico's fibroids, all horrible things that some of

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<v Speaker 3>my girlfriends and other women suffer from.

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<v Speaker 1>But I had like wicked cramps, I've had.

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<v Speaker 3>I've had a miscarriage, I've had I've had I've had

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<v Speaker 3>stuff happen, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, but relatively, I've been very, very healthy. Well, take

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<v Speaker 1>me back to before we get into yeah, scaring our.

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<v Speaker 1>If you guys want to hear more about menopause and

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<v Speaker 1>ed and all that, you need to check out Hot

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<v Speaker 1>and Bothered. But before we get into that, let's get

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<v Speaker 1>back to get a closer look at Melissa Ford, because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I don't think we really got to know

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<v Speaker 1>who you are, and I think just telling us, like,

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<v Speaker 1>take us back to what exactly was going on during

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<v Speaker 1>the making of this dish.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so the making of this dish.

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<v Speaker 1>Get it?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there we go, the making of this dish.

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<v Speaker 1>I had just moved to New York.

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<v Speaker 3>I was living in Stuyvesant Heights, this Bedstye, which is

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<v Speaker 3>really funny because when I was fifteen years old, I

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<v Speaker 3>had a premonition that I was going to live in Bedsty.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is before I even knew that New York

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<v Speaker 3>was even divided up into like five boroughs, which is

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<v Speaker 3>like wild.

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<v Speaker 1>Hold, I'm going to hold that off. But you're originally

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<v Speaker 1>from Canada. I'm originally from Canada.

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<v Speaker 3>So I had this premonition when I was fifteen that

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<v Speaker 3>I was going to live in Bedsty and I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>where the fuck is Bedsty? What is bedstide?

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't even know. I didn't understand. But so when

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<v Speaker 1>I ended up living.

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<v Speaker 3>In Bedsty, like literally Bainbridge and Stuyvesant in the thick

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<v Speaker 3>of it, I was like, oh, well, this was kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like meant to be kind of thing. So here

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<v Speaker 3>I am. I am an illegal alien from Canada. I

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<v Speaker 3>have no permission from my country to leave. I have

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<v Speaker 3>no permission from this country to stay here. I have

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<v Speaker 3>no job, I have no nothing, And how are you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm twenty one years old. I've put school on hold

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<v Speaker 3>in Canada. I was studying forensic psychology University because I

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to be a profiler, working for the BSU or

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<v Speaker 3>some other law enforcement agency that you know, did profiling

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<v Speaker 3>and whatnot.

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<v Speaker 2>So here I am in New York. I'm living in

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<v Speaker 2>this apartment.

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<v Speaker 3>How did I get an apartment with no credit, no

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<v Speaker 3>money or no proof of income, no nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>I was working in a club. The owner.

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<v Speaker 3>The owner had a little bit of a crush on me,

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<v Speaker 3>and that is putting it lightly.

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<v Speaker 1>One day, he you.

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<v Speaker 3>Know, calls me into his office and just you know,

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<v Speaker 3>starts talking to me about, you know, what's your whole

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<v Speaker 3>situation or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>I was living with a girlfriend at the time, and he.

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<v Speaker 3>Basically said that he would get me a condo just

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<v Speaker 3>as long as I let him come by and watch

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<v Speaker 3>me masturbate every once in a while.

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<v Speaker 1>That was the deal. How old was this dude? He

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<v Speaker 1>was like fifty five? What did you say?

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<v Speaker 2>I said, You've got to be fucking kidding me.

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<v Speaker 3>There's no you like ew ew you don't get to

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<v Speaker 3>see all you don't get to see this you.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I was, I know, but it has you end

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<v Speaker 1>up with apartment though. So it's so he was just like,

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<v Speaker 1>so he hooks me with a.

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<v Speaker 2>Realtor this a focus Okay, he was shady.

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<v Speaker 1>So you actually said that, like, oh, hen I was

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<v Speaker 1>the no, no, fuck no, and you would have had

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<v Speaker 1>it rent free. I know. Did he have to be

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<v Speaker 1>in the room when you did? This stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know how many of my girlfriends asked the

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<v Speaker 2>exact same questions.

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<v Speaker 1>They were like, wait, bit what like? What was the

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<v Speaker 1>parameters of this deal?

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<v Speaker 3>It was a hard pass and I was like yes

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<v Speaker 3>and they were like girl.

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<v Speaker 1>But there wasn't like record. It was just like he

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<v Speaker 1>had to there.

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<v Speaker 3>This is two thousands to make sure if a good deal. Okay, listen,

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<v Speaker 3>okay there baby, I don't know, but you know what,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Canadian.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So he said, okay, so hyper independent.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to do this on my own. So he was,

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<v Speaker 1>what were you doing in this club?

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<v Speaker 3>It was bartender? Okay, So this is how I ended

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<v Speaker 3>up being able to make money.

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<v Speaker 1>This nigga kid got me too basically like back then

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<v Speaker 1>he would have been he would have been ye know

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<v Speaker 1>me too.

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<v Speaker 3>Was so interesting. Okay, but anyways, we're jumping ahead. Yeah, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>so I'm gonna cook up the vegetables. In just a

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<v Speaker 3>second of vegetables.

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<v Speaker 1>So guys, just for our listeners, she just heated up

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<v Speaker 1>the tuna in a pan and seasoned it. Yes, I

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<v Speaker 1>want to okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm going to put this back in once I

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<v Speaker 3>get the rice and the and the vegetables going a little.

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<v Speaker 3>I would have I would have used different vegetables than

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<v Speaker 3>these ones, because these are a little chunky and cruciferous.

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<v Speaker 1>So we got to know you were probably using like

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<v Speaker 1>peas and carrits. Yes, exactly, I know, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. And for all the listeners, they know

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<v Speaker 1>I absolutely hate peace. I was like, oh, hell no,

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<v Speaker 1>she's gonna want these peas, not giving her peace.

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<v Speaker 2>It's okay, it's okay, we'll handle this broccoli.

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<v Speaker 1>So this guy is, oh, this guy, you tell him no.

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<v Speaker 1>I tell him no.

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<v Speaker 3>So he is like, he's so he hooks me up

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<v Speaker 3>with his realtor another shady motherfucker. Right, So he brings

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<v Speaker 3>me to he shows me this apartment because I tell

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<v Speaker 3>him what my price.

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<v Speaker 2>My hole, what do you call that? What my range is?

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<v Speaker 2>It was six hundred to eight hundred dollars a month.

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<v Speaker 1>That's yeah, back then, back then.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just wild to think about back then.

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<v Speaker 3>So he shows me this apartment at it was at

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<v Speaker 3>like Classen and Washington, if I'm not mistaken, if that

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<v Speaker 3>was what it was, and Classen and Washington.

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<v Speaker 1>Did not look the way that it looks now. It's

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<v Speaker 1>very gentrified.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, okay, there's a lot of white people with strollers

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<v Speaker 3>and shit, that is not the way that it looked

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<v Speaker 3>back then. And I'm so like, I'm just still so

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<v Speaker 3>naive that I'm just kind of looking around the place

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm looking outside.

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<v Speaker 1>The windows and I'm like, yeah, I don't think that

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<v Speaker 1>this is the place. Yo. There's fucking gangs around.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's not the Melissa like older me wants to say, girl, no.

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<v Speaker 1>So I take it. I take it. You took the

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<v Speaker 1>place I did not. So he says to me. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, do you have anything else you can show me.

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<v Speaker 3>He's like, well, I'm showing this apartment later on tonight,

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<v Speaker 3>and he was just like it's out of your price

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<v Speaker 3>range and you're probably not going to get it, but

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<v Speaker 3>you can come see it.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyways. I was like the fuck you know? So I

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<v Speaker 1>was like okay, fine, and.

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<v Speaker 3>He was like, oh, by the way, the landlord is

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<v Speaker 3>a woman, so make sure you cover up.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, cover up. And I was like fuck you talking

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<v Speaker 1>to so Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So anyways, it's not like I had like my boobs

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<v Speaker 3>out or anything like that. And it was winter, so

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<v Speaker 3>I got to the apartment early and it was a

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<v Speaker 3>brown Stone and I I had on a black turtleneck

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<v Speaker 3>and a cowboy hat and jeans.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what.

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<v Speaker 3>I really loved this cowboy hat though I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>what it was. I was obsessed with this cowboy hat,

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<v Speaker 3>and somehow I made it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think. I feel like it made me seem really innocent.

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<v Speaker 1>And so she opens up the door. This woman, her name.

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<v Speaker 3>Was Deborah, and the second she opened up the door,

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<v Speaker 3>I felt like this, it's gonna sound weird, but like

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<v Speaker 3>my spirit immediately took to her.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just something about her. It was just she

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<v Speaker 1>just was just warmth, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>And so she invited me inside and we sat down

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<v Speaker 3>and we talked for about ten minutes, and it was

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<v Speaker 3>a great conversation, to the point where I forgot why

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<v Speaker 3>where I was and what I was doing there.

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<v Speaker 2>And she said, well, young lady, do you want to

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<v Speaker 2>go see the apartment?

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<v Speaker 1>I said, oh, yeah, let's go see.

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<v Speaker 3>And so she brought me upstairs to the second floor.

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<v Speaker 3>And the minute that I walked into that apartment, I

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<v Speaker 3>knew I was home. I just knew I was home.

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<v Speaker 1>And could you afford it them? No? It was nine

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and twenty five dollars a month.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a junior it was a one and a

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<v Speaker 3>half bed, so it was like a one bedroom, one

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<v Speaker 3>bath with like.

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<v Speaker 1>A smaller bedroom. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was like, I can't afford this shit, but

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to figure this the fuck out, Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I saw the apartment. I said, I will

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<v Speaker 1>be in touch and whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>And then for the next two weeks I just kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like wrung my hands hoping that this realtor was

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<v Speaker 3>pleading my case and he wasn't. He was probably saying,

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<v Speaker 3>she is the worst candidate for this apartment, so don't

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<v Speaker 3>give it to her. Yeah, And so I decided to

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<v Speaker 3>look her up.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember phone books, Ah, yeah, I remember the white pages,

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<v Speaker 1>the white page. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So I looked her up and I found her and

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<v Speaker 3>I called her and I said, I said, hi, I saw.

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<v Speaker 1>You a couple of weeks ago. I came to look

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<v Speaker 1>at the apartment, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 3>She was like, oh I remember, She was like, I

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<v Speaker 3>haven't made a decision yet, and I said, I just

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<v Speaker 3>really want you to know that I felt like that

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<v Speaker 3>is supposed to meet my apartment.

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<v Speaker 1>It felt safe.

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<v Speaker 3>I I just pleaded my case.

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<v Speaker 2>Whatever it was that I said to her.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I was just like my mother and I

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<v Speaker 3>we rented to, you know, people before. I've seen my

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<v Speaker 3>mom go through hell with tenants who stopped paying. I

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<v Speaker 3>would never do that to somebody. Just give me one year,

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<v Speaker 3>Just try me out for one year.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, I promise you're going to get your

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<v Speaker 3>rent in cash a week in advance at minimum Jesus.

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<v Speaker 3>And she was just like, when's your birthday? I was like, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>November seventh, and she was like, i'll call you back.

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<v Speaker 3>And she really looked up my chart because she was

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<v Speaker 3>like totally into like astrology andrology and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 3>She called me up and she was like, the apartments

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<v Speaker 3>yours come with security in first first month's rent.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was like, I couldn't believe it.

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<v Speaker 3>I had no furniture, I had nothing except just two suitcakes.

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<v Speaker 1>How did you get the money together? Well?

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<v Speaker 3>I was bartending at this so at this time, I

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<v Speaker 3>it was all I had. Now started to bartend at Justin's,

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<v Speaker 3>which was Ditty's restaurant, and well, actually no, I got

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<v Speaker 3>I started bartending and cocktail waitressing, and then they fired

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<v Speaker 3>me because they were like, the last thing Puffy needs

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<v Speaker 3>right now is in the legal alien that looks like

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<v Speaker 3>you working in his establishment because he's this was around

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<v Speaker 3>the club New York situation happening, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So the manager, John Vasquez, he was like, I've got

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<v Speaker 3>something set up for you. So he got me set

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<v Speaker 3>up in a totally different club. It was called Nicks.

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<v Speaker 3>It was on East thirty second between Fifth and Madison,

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<v Speaker 3>And anybody who was like, you know, going to clubs

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<v Speaker 3>during the Black Diamond and the Pisa Brothers' days, they

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<v Speaker 3>know exactly what I'm talking about. So at the same

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<v Speaker 3>time that I started, you know, working in this club,

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<v Speaker 3>this massive party promotion team called Black Diamond had started

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<v Speaker 3>doing parties and so I started making more money than

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<v Speaker 3>I've ever seen before in my entire life. And I

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<v Speaker 3>was a bartender back in Toronto, just from bartending, and

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<v Speaker 3>so when I was able to you know, when she

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<v Speaker 3>get when she told me that I had this apartment,

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<v Speaker 3>I was able to pay for it because I had like, nah,

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<v Speaker 3>I had made like a bunch of money and like

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<v Speaker 3>you know, tips and stuff like that, and yeah, so yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>that was that was That was how that happened. And

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<v Speaker 3>I ended up living in her apartment for the next

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<v Speaker 3>two and a half years. After the first year, she

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<v Speaker 3>didn't even make me sign another lease.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, perfect tenant. I loved her. I just

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<v Speaker 1>I just loved her.

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<v Speaker 3>She came and saw me like we would like have

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<v Speaker 3>tea in the kitchen, and one day, like two months

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<v Speaker 3>into like me being there, she was like, Melissa, do

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<v Speaker 3>you know why I rented the apartment to you? I

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<v Speaker 3>was like, because I was incredibly persuasive, and.

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<v Speaker 1>She was like no.

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<v Speaker 3>She was like, I looked up your chart, your numbers

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<v Speaker 3>and whatever, and she was just like, it said that

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<v Speaker 3>you were extremely dependable and that your words bond. Whatever

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<v Speaker 3>you say you're going to do, you're going to do it,

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<v Speaker 3>and I would have no problems with you. I was like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>that's that's me. I'm pretty pragmatic and dependable and stuff

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<v Speaker 3>like that. And she was like, but it also said

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<v Speaker 3>something else. And I was like, and it said it

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<v Speaker 3>says you're going to be famous, but not for the

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<v Speaker 3>reason that you think.

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<v Speaker 2>And I didn't really know what to kind of like

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<v Speaker 2>make of that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I still don't know what to make of that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, So but that was that was what she said.

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<v Speaker 3>And it ended up being like a really incredible like experience. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>my first apartment. Now keep in mind.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you ever ask her what her birthday was or

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<v Speaker 1>ever try to look up?

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<v Speaker 3>Well the no, because that wasn't my thing, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>Like and I feel like she was a Gemini because

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<v Speaker 3>I get the gifts for her birthday.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm trying not to like fucking have this lying.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, why is it so hard? Yeah? I should

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<v Speaker 1>have heated up for you. Did you guys have mic

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<v Speaker 1>wave here? It's fine, It's fine, she's gonna have to.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna break it up in the bag for her, Okay, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because those little rice things are savage. Can you can

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<v Speaker 1>just put the chunks in here? Okay, put the chunks

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<v Speaker 1>in here? So I think, all right that way. So,

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<v Speaker 1>after you know, you got settled into New York, what

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<v Speaker 1>was that next big power play that like changes the

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<v Speaker 1>trajectory of your life? Sort of say I would.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm still doing music videos at this time, Like

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<v Speaker 3>before i'd moved to the States and I was still

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<v Speaker 3>living in Canada. I had done big Pimpin' share she

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<v Speaker 3>Laghos Thong song remix shake It Fast, like I'd already

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<v Speaker 3>done those videos, but I hadn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Done this is before twenty one. This is this is.

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<v Speaker 3>Basically the year before. Oh no, actually it's like the

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<v Speaker 3>same year. It's the year two thousand.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, And what are your parents saying like during

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<v Speaker 1>all this, because you're still really.

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<v Speaker 2>My dad has passed away.

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<v Speaker 3>He passed away when I was fifteen years old, almost sixteen,

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<v Speaker 3>So it was just me.

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<v Speaker 1>And my mom.

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<v Speaker 3>And honestly, the last couple of months of me living at.

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<v Speaker 1>Home was not okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Me and my mom were at each other's throats.

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<v Speaker 1>So when I decided to.

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<v Speaker 3>Move to the New York I literally went downstairs to

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<v Speaker 3>the living room and said to my mother, I'm moving

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<v Speaker 3>to New York tomorrow. Can you drive me to the

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<v Speaker 3>airport ESUS? And she just looked at me and she said,

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<v Speaker 3>what time is your flight? She didn't ask where am

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<v Speaker 3>I going? Where am I going? I'm gonna live with?

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<v Speaker 3>How am I going to make money? You're illegal, you're

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<v Speaker 3>not American. She didn't ask a question, nothing, yes, And

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<v Speaker 3>I was like I had to ask her when we

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<v Speaker 3>were like, you know, we stopped at a diner on

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<v Speaker 3>the way to you know, like just waiting for my

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<v Speaker 3>flight and stuff like that, and I had to ask her.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, do you even love me?

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<v Speaker 3>And she says, of course I love you, Melissa, but

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<v Speaker 3>you're driving yourself crazy and me in the process.

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<v Speaker 1>You got to go, what were you doing that made

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<v Speaker 1>her think that? At the time, do you know, can

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<v Speaker 1>you look? Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>I know exactly what was happening my life. I had

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<v Speaker 3>there was an intersection that my life had arrived at.

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<v Speaker 3>And whereas I had always imagined that I would live

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<v Speaker 3>in Toronto my entire life, I never ever thought that

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<v Speaker 3>I would leave. I imagined that, you know, I was going

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<v Speaker 3>to pay my way through university and I was going

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<v Speaker 3>to start working in law enforcement as a profiler, like

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<v Speaker 3>I was just going to be a regular ass person.

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<v Speaker 3>But then I started doing music videos and my popularity

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<v Speaker 3>started to increase dramatically.

0:20:50.359 --> 0:20:52.960
<v Speaker 1>And how did you land your first music video?

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<v Speaker 3>Director X, who was known as Little X back in

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<v Speaker 3>the day he was he was just kind of looking

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<v Speaker 3>for the girl for a music video, and after doing

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<v Speaker 3>a casting of almost every hot girl in the city,

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<v Speaker 3>his friends arrived at what about Melissa? And he was like,

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<v Speaker 3>who's Melissa? And let me see her right now. And

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<v Speaker 3>so he saw my picture he said, call her right now,

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<v Speaker 3>that's the girl. And that was basically how it happened.

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<v Speaker 3>So I became like amuse of his. His profile started

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<v Speaker 3>to grow, he started to get more responsibilities, like, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>more more jobs. I should say, this is looking more

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<v Speaker 3>like like a broke Man's poor fried rice. Okay, well

0:21:34.720 --> 0:21:36.760
<v Speaker 3>we could, doesn't it doesn't, that's why. But that's why

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<v Speaker 3>it's the broke man too. She because it's rice and tuna.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, yeah, but doesn't it look like Chinese? Now

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<v Speaker 1>kind of does a little bit? You told me I

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<v Speaker 1>come up with a name. No, no, I like it.

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<v Speaker 1>I like it, but for all our listeners, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>this looks pretty pretty fancy.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you know, listen, I almost said, let's make

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<v Speaker 3>some biscuits, you know, biscuits with like cranberries in it,

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<v Speaker 3>with the cunch trusting sweet taste of cranberries.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks good. I mean, I'm trump I'm doing. I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't made this. It's so long, but I can't wait

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<v Speaker 1>to see you eat and see if it like brings

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<v Speaker 1>you all the way back, like wow, it might.

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<v Speaker 3>But so the intersectionality of like of like the two

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<v Speaker 3>versions of Melissa was I started doing these music videos

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<v Speaker 3>and even though I just really had my head on straight,

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<v Speaker 3>like okay, it's just another source of revenue temporarily right now,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's it's fun.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it a lot of revenue for your age at

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<v Speaker 1>that time? Yeah, And it's American money.

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<v Speaker 3>So the you know the difference in American money versus

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<v Speaker 3>like that, what is that called, like Shane shank you jesus.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I can talk about ubiquitous melancholy this day,

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<v Speaker 3>but it was.

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<v Speaker 1>You said some words out there and I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm similess.

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<v Speaker 3>Shit, I'm like, wait, you know that thing when the

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<v Speaker 3>money is worth more than another person.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So anyways, sometimes I will have like a brain fart.

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<v Speaker 2>I just blame everything on Perry menopause these days.

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<v Speaker 3>Just oh, I don't remember. I forgot when this got

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<v Speaker 3>my head. It's Perry menopause. So I uh, that's why

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<v Speaker 3>the money was so good because the exchange rate was

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<v Speaker 3>like crazy, like American dollar to Canadian dollar was so

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<v Speaker 3>high that it was almost like double.

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<v Speaker 1>And you got you were going to going to college

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<v Speaker 1>while the video. So your mom, well she like seriously

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<v Speaker 1>sent my freaking out a little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>No, my mom did not. My mom did not force

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<v Speaker 3>me to do anything ever. Ever, ever, like if I

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to quit something, all right, quit she didn't give

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<v Speaker 3>a shit, Like I shouldn't say that my mom didn't

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<v Speaker 3>give a ship. My mom ended up being a single

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<v Speaker 3>mother when my father died, and she had an enormous

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<v Speaker 3>amount of debt and she was in perimenopause.

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<v Speaker 1>She had so much shit on her plate. The on

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<v Speaker 1>what did she She.

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<v Speaker 3>Was also dealing with a sixteen year old county daughter,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean, So, like I could be honest,

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<v Speaker 3>like teenage girls are probably hell on.

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<v Speaker 1>Earth to deal with, if you don't mind me asking, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>what happened to your father? Like he was he just

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<v Speaker 1>he was older than my mom.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a twenty one year age difference between the two,

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<v Speaker 3>so you know when he died, he was like sixty

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<v Speaker 3>one sixty two, which now very very yeah young, but

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, you know, men don't really take care of themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but I'm just saying, was like a surprise.

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<v Speaker 3>No, he had been, he'd been, he had had illnesses

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<v Speaker 3>over the course of the last five years.

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<v Speaker 1>His death was still a shock to me. I was

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<v Speaker 1>not ready for that.

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<v Speaker 3>But I mean because I was fifteen year old girl,

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<v Speaker 3>and to me, that was like my superhero.

0:24:51.400 --> 0:24:53.680
<v Speaker 1>Nothing was ever going to really happen to him.

0:24:53.840 --> 0:24:58.000
<v Speaker 3>It was you know, he was always going to get

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<v Speaker 3>past whatever his current ailment was.

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<v Speaker 2>And no, that's not what ended up happening.

0:25:03.600 --> 0:25:05.879
<v Speaker 1>And your dad is black or white? My dad's black, O,

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<v Speaker 1>your mom's white. Oh yeah.

0:25:08.600 --> 0:25:13.760
<v Speaker 3>So by the time, so this whole intersectionality thing. When

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing music videos and the popularity is gaining, then

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<v Speaker 3>a pivotal thing happens.

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<v Speaker 2>When I do the Thong song remix video.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm on. Cisco asks me to go on tour and

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, okay, I could come for like a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of weeks. He was like, no, if you come here,

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<v Speaker 3>coming for the whole thing, it's a few months and

0:25:34.480 --> 0:25:37.879
<v Speaker 3>in Sync is the headliner. And I'm not really understanding

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<v Speaker 3>what he's talking about because.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not a dancer.

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<v Speaker 3>If anybody sees my music videos, I'm not fucking dancing, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>Like the New York Times wrote an article on me,

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<v Speaker 3>like how to succeed in music videos without actually dancing?

0:25:50.480 --> 0:25:52.560
<v Speaker 3>What the fuck you know? I was like, I'm here

0:25:52.600 --> 0:25:55.600
<v Speaker 3>to give good face. I give good body presence.

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<v Speaker 1>That's me.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm the girlfriend, I'm the wife. I'm that, but

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<v Speaker 3>don't don't give me any choreography.

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<v Speaker 1>But he was gonna pay you to do this. Oh yeah,

0:26:04.640 --> 0:26:06.720
<v Speaker 1>this was a gig. Gig.

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<v Speaker 3>This was like, this was not be my girl. It

0:26:09.600 --> 0:26:11.639
<v Speaker 3>was like, no, you're coming to work.

0:26:11.840 --> 0:26:13.200
<v Speaker 1>So I took it. He was like, don't worry.

0:26:13.240 --> 0:26:16.000
<v Speaker 2>It's not hard choreography. It's very gimmicky.

0:26:16.240 --> 0:26:18.240
<v Speaker 3>He was like, I want to lead girls, four lead

0:26:18.400 --> 0:26:21.240
<v Speaker 3>four backup dancers, and you're gonna be called the six pack.

0:26:21.880 --> 0:26:26.440
<v Speaker 1>And I was like whatever. So I called up my jobs.

0:26:26.600 --> 0:26:27.360
<v Speaker 1>School was on.

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<v Speaker 3>Break or like on summer break, and I was just like, uh,

0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:31.800
<v Speaker 3>I called it my job. So I was like, would

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<v Speaker 3>you hold a position for me because I'm just gonna

0:26:33.640 --> 0:26:36.920
<v Speaker 3>I'll be right back tour with like you know, in Sync,

0:26:37.000 --> 0:26:40.880
<v Speaker 3>the biggest the entire world right now, and Cisco and oh,

0:26:40.920 --> 0:26:44.080
<v Speaker 3>Pink is the you know, the starting act and this

0:26:44.119 --> 0:26:45.160
<v Speaker 3>is Pink was the.

0:26:45.080 --> 0:26:49.720
<v Speaker 1>Starting act and before it was you know this pink.

0:26:50.080 --> 0:26:52.000
<v Speaker 3>Well yeah, it was like when she was doing R

0:26:52.040 --> 0:26:56.080
<v Speaker 3>and B and she was like it was a bullshit, that.

0:26:56.119 --> 0:26:58.880
<v Speaker 1>Was not her jam. Yeah we see why now yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And so so I go on tour and I just

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<v Speaker 3>saw and experienced so much that when I got back

0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:15.480
<v Speaker 3>to Toronto, the rose colored lenses were off and this

0:27:15.520 --> 0:27:17.960
<v Speaker 3>shit looked like a dusty ass po dunk town.

0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:19.479
<v Speaker 2>I was like, I got to get the fuck out

0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:20.920
<v Speaker 2>of here. I can't live here.

0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:24.040
<v Speaker 1>I just have seen the world. I just saw so much.

0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:26.520
<v Speaker 3>I just I become a different version of myself. And

0:27:26.560 --> 0:27:29.040
<v Speaker 3>I didn't anticipate that happening. There's no way that you

0:27:29.080 --> 0:27:34.439
<v Speaker 3>could know that that's going to happen. Yeah, And so

0:27:34.560 --> 0:27:39.000
<v Speaker 3>when I got back home, I was so unhappy because

0:27:39.040 --> 0:27:42.480
<v Speaker 3>I just I'd already seen It's like I got.

0:27:42.320 --> 0:27:45.360
<v Speaker 1>Bitten, yeah, you know, by you bit the apple. Yeah

0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:48.000
<v Speaker 1>that was what it got, bit by a bug or

0:27:48.080 --> 0:27:50.520
<v Speaker 1>whatever it is. It's something. Yeah. I just was like

0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:52.680
<v Speaker 1>I couldn't go backwards. Yeah.

0:27:52.720 --> 0:27:56.040
<v Speaker 3>And I was like, if I don't pursue this now

0:27:56.400 --> 0:28:00.760
<v Speaker 3>at my young age, I'll always want under what if?

0:28:00.960 --> 0:28:03.119
<v Speaker 1>And when you say pursue this, what was that pursuit?

0:28:03.119 --> 0:28:05.280
<v Speaker 1>I didn't even know what the pursuit was. Just just

0:28:05.280 --> 0:28:06.359
<v Speaker 1>just need to get out just.

0:28:06.359 --> 0:28:09.560
<v Speaker 3>The attention, the attention that I had started to you

0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:12.280
<v Speaker 3>know that and and the and the requests, like you know,

0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:15.360
<v Speaker 3>it's it went from just ex hiring me for gigs

0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:20.119
<v Speaker 3>to Hype Williams and you know all the other video

0:28:20.160 --> 0:28:21.480
<v Speaker 3>directors requesting.

0:28:21.160 --> 0:28:23.520
<v Speaker 1>And are you managing yourself or is there managers starting

0:28:23.560 --> 0:28:23.919
<v Speaker 1>to get.

0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:26.720
<v Speaker 3>Managing this ship? There's no management. I'm a video girl,

0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:29.400
<v Speaker 3>like there's this is not a career.

0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:31.399
<v Speaker 1>But you're getting a lot of calls at this point,

0:28:31.440 --> 0:28:34.160
<v Speaker 1>So do you start figuring out or is anybody reaching

0:28:34.160 --> 0:28:36.520
<v Speaker 1>out to say, hey, maybe we can manage.

0:28:36.600 --> 0:28:40.480
<v Speaker 3>No, because nobody really looked at video modeling as an

0:28:40.600 --> 0:28:41.640
<v Speaker 3>actual career.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the only person.

0:28:42.840 --> 0:28:46.240
<v Speaker 3>That I could act, that I could say looked at

0:28:46.360 --> 0:28:52.800
<v Speaker 3>this as like a viable career option that can lead

0:28:52.840 --> 0:28:55.760
<v Speaker 3>to other things is this woman named LASHAWNA Stanley who

0:28:55.760 --> 0:28:58.920
<v Speaker 3>had a company called Ethnicity Models based out in Miami.

0:28:59.200 --> 0:29:01.840
<v Speaker 3>And I don't meet her for another maybe year or

0:29:01.920 --> 0:29:04.800
<v Speaker 3>two after I've gotten to the States. But she became

0:29:05.040 --> 0:29:09.160
<v Speaker 3>very pivotal in me being able to get my first

0:29:09.240 --> 0:29:12.080
<v Speaker 3>visa and then my second visa to now where I'm

0:29:12.160 --> 0:29:16.080
<v Speaker 3>legitimately allowed to live and work in the US. And

0:29:16.200 --> 0:29:18.680
<v Speaker 3>so I don't even meet her for the first like

0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:20.880
<v Speaker 3>year and a half two years of me being there.

0:29:21.040 --> 0:29:23.360
<v Speaker 3>So I'm like Bobbin and weaven customs.

0:29:23.600 --> 0:29:24.640
<v Speaker 1>I can't go home.

0:29:24.960 --> 0:29:26.920
<v Speaker 3>If anybody from home wants to see me, you got

0:29:26.920 --> 0:29:28.640
<v Speaker 3>to come see me. Because the minute I try and

0:29:28.680 --> 0:29:30.680
<v Speaker 3>get on a plane and go through customs, they're going

0:29:30.760 --> 0:29:34.840
<v Speaker 3>to be like, where's your I'm going to get thrown

0:29:34.880 --> 0:29:35.719
<v Speaker 3>into secondary.

0:29:36.200 --> 0:29:38.800
<v Speaker 2>I risk being banned from the US for.

0:29:40.560 --> 0:29:46.120
<v Speaker 1>Years, maybe forever finds. It was a little perilous. Now,

0:29:46.120 --> 0:29:48.840
<v Speaker 1>what was your mom? Singer and all of us, She.

0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:52.160
<v Speaker 3>Wasn't saying anything because she was trying to pay the

0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:55.239
<v Speaker 3>mortgage and keep food on the table. So she just

0:29:55.720 --> 0:29:59.560
<v Speaker 3>her mentality was very much like Melissa's gonna do whatever

0:29:59.560 --> 0:30:02.520
<v Speaker 3>Melissa's going to do. Like that's just it, Like there's

0:30:02.600 --> 0:30:06.200
<v Speaker 3>nothing that you can say or do to try to sway.

0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:07.080
<v Speaker 1>Her either way.

0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:11.760
<v Speaker 3>You strong minded of ext scorpio, extraordinarily strong.

0:30:11.800 --> 0:30:13.520
<v Speaker 1>And my mom is Eastern European.

0:30:13.560 --> 0:30:18.240
<v Speaker 3>She's you know, Norwegian and Russian, and you know, if

0:30:18.240 --> 0:30:20.840
<v Speaker 3>you know anything about this type of people, they're very

0:30:21.040 --> 0:30:25.000
<v Speaker 3>stoic and they're not the most like you know, she

0:30:25.120 --> 0:30:26.640
<v Speaker 3>was not the most loquacious person.

0:30:26.760 --> 0:30:29.600
<v Speaker 2>She was big words, okay, she was quiet as fuck.

0:30:29.720 --> 0:30:33.920
<v Speaker 1>Okay. You know, she had her little tiny circle of friends.

0:30:34.000 --> 0:30:36.400
<v Speaker 3>She had a little atter hobbies like book club and

0:30:36.480 --> 0:30:40.040
<v Speaker 3>aqua fit, you know, stuff like that. She volunteered like

0:30:40.080 --> 0:30:43.320
<v Speaker 3>animal shelter, She had a book like library card.

0:30:44.520 --> 0:30:46.360
<v Speaker 1>But my mom was a very simple woman.

0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:49.200
<v Speaker 3>So like the things that I was doing were so

0:30:49.400 --> 0:30:53.880
<v Speaker 3>out of the realm of her conceptualizing what.

0:30:53.760 --> 0:30:56.280
<v Speaker 1>It meant that she was like, oh, okay.

0:30:56.360 --> 0:30:58.200
<v Speaker 3>So like when I started appearing on the covers of

0:30:58.280 --> 0:31:02.520
<v Speaker 3>magazines at her job, like the store, her job.

0:31:02.920 --> 0:31:03.720
<v Speaker 1>And there's like.

0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:08.040
<v Speaker 3>And there's like young male employees who are like, yo,

0:31:08.200 --> 0:31:09.480
<v Speaker 3>that's Melissa Ford's mom.

0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:15.240
<v Speaker 1>She would just be like she was so funny. Was

0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:17.920
<v Speaker 1>she embarrassed? Was she proud? No, she was an embarrassed

0:31:17.960 --> 0:31:20.280
<v Speaker 1>at all. She was proud. She was proud.

0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:23.960
<v Speaker 3>She was not so proud, but she was also very.

0:31:26.000 --> 0:31:30.560
<v Speaker 1>She was just she was always just so just. It's

0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:33.520
<v Speaker 1>not like she beamed with pride, okay, but I literally

0:31:33.560 --> 0:31:36.920
<v Speaker 1>I level headed about it, extraordinarily level and head like.

0:31:37.000 --> 0:31:39.280
<v Speaker 3>She didn't come in with issues like, you know, copies

0:31:39.280 --> 0:31:41.160
<v Speaker 3>of issues of the latest magazine I was on.

0:31:41.320 --> 0:31:44.800
<v Speaker 1>Okay, all my friends want like autography. Never did that ship,

0:31:45.520 --> 0:31:48.080
<v Speaker 1>you know. So but you knew she was proud and

0:31:48.120 --> 0:31:49.920
<v Speaker 1>it seems like she did a good job when not,

0:31:50.720 --> 0:31:54.160
<v Speaker 1>I guess, Taylor, what are you like stiphening your just

0:31:54.200 --> 0:31:56.760
<v Speaker 1>kind of letting you. But it's weird though, because you

0:31:56.760 --> 0:31:58.640
<v Speaker 1>did say that, like there was a point where you

0:31:58.720 --> 0:32:01.600
<v Speaker 1>questioned whether she loved you from not being so on.

0:32:01.440 --> 0:32:05.280
<v Speaker 3>You Yeah, because I mean, you know gen xers will

0:32:05.360 --> 0:32:10.240
<v Speaker 3>understand we had to parent ourselves. We're the generation that

0:32:10.440 --> 0:32:15.240
<v Speaker 3>our parents put a key around our next, like put

0:32:15.280 --> 0:32:17.840
<v Speaker 3>a string and a key around our next And they

0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:21.480
<v Speaker 3>were like, this is how you go home on public transportation.

0:32:21.680 --> 0:32:23.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm eight years old, you.

0:32:23.960 --> 0:32:25.920
<v Speaker 3>Know what I'm saying, But like this was this was

0:32:26.000 --> 0:32:28.480
<v Speaker 3>what it was like. And when you get home, don't

0:32:28.520 --> 0:32:31.760
<v Speaker 3>burn down the fucking house. Make yourself something to eat.

0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:34.280
<v Speaker 3>So you're learning how to cook at seven and eight

0:32:34.360 --> 0:32:37.840
<v Speaker 3>and nine years old, and you're learning what areas of

0:32:37.840 --> 0:32:40.200
<v Speaker 3>the house you stay the fuck away from, what friends

0:32:40.200 --> 0:32:42.560
<v Speaker 3>are allowed to come over for versus who's not to you.

0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:45.640
<v Speaker 2>You understand how to answer the door, and some like.

0:32:45.840 --> 0:32:49.160
<v Speaker 3>We had to really really learn how to parent ourselves

0:32:49.160 --> 0:32:50.400
<v Speaker 3>and look out for ourselves.

0:32:50.400 --> 0:32:52.920
<v Speaker 1>They had to put fucking commercials saying it's ten o'clock,

0:32:52.960 --> 0:32:57.600
<v Speaker 1>do you know where your children are? Remember? I remember that?

0:32:57.960 --> 0:33:01.080
<v Speaker 3>So so this was like it's so my mom was

0:33:01.320 --> 0:33:03.160
<v Speaker 3>just you know, she was part of like you know

0:33:03.200 --> 0:33:07.080
<v Speaker 3>that that female workforce that where it was like, you know,

0:33:07.200 --> 0:33:13.040
<v Speaker 3>both parents are out working. There was My father literally

0:33:13.080 --> 0:33:14.600
<v Speaker 3>said to me one day where I was like.

0:33:14.640 --> 0:33:15.560
<v Speaker 1>Where are you going?

0:33:15.920 --> 0:33:18.840
<v Speaker 3>He was like, I'm going out, like to work, I

0:33:18.880 --> 0:33:21.960
<v Speaker 3>guess or whatever. I was like, who's gonna look after me?

0:33:23.360 --> 0:33:27.320
<v Speaker 1>The dogs will look after you? Gets this is why

0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:32.479
<v Speaker 1>we got them. He sounds like a Jamaican he's baising,

0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:35.360
<v Speaker 1>he was, you know, but he was just like, the

0:33:35.480 --> 0:33:37.440
<v Speaker 1>animals will take care of Yeah, you hear them Mark,

0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:39.000
<v Speaker 1>you know, to look you know what I'm saying.

0:33:39.000 --> 0:33:41.280
<v Speaker 3>But no, he wasn't West Indian to the point where

0:33:41.320 --> 0:33:44.160
<v Speaker 3>we kept our dogs outside. They were inside dogs. Everybody

0:33:44.200 --> 0:33:46.600
<v Speaker 3>was inside. So that's another thing that my parents did.

0:33:46.640 --> 0:33:49.120
<v Speaker 3>They never really said no to any animal that I

0:33:49.240 --> 0:33:53.840
<v Speaker 3>wanted because they knew and probably had a significant amount

0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:57.760
<v Speaker 3>of guilt knowing that, you know, you're leaving your child

0:33:57.960 --> 0:33:59.600
<v Speaker 3>home to spend.

0:33:59.280 --> 0:34:01.080
<v Speaker 1>For herself and your only child.

0:34:01.200 --> 0:34:04.880
<v Speaker 3>And I'm an only well I have I have stepbrothers

0:34:04.880 --> 0:34:07.240
<v Speaker 3>and sisters, like half brothers and sisters, but I was

0:34:07.360 --> 0:34:08.319
<v Speaker 3>raised like an only child.

0:34:08.360 --> 0:34:11.440
<v Speaker 1>I was the only child in the house. Okay, yeah, okay, yeah,

0:34:11.480 --> 0:34:14.560
<v Speaker 1>so you know this this was basically how I grew up.

0:34:14.600 --> 0:34:17.280
<v Speaker 3>So it's just I don't think that after a while

0:34:17.360 --> 0:34:19.920
<v Speaker 3>my mom felt like she even had the position to

0:34:19.960 --> 0:34:21.160
<v Speaker 3>try to parent.

0:34:20.880 --> 0:34:24.439
<v Speaker 1>Me, which is really that makes sense.

0:34:24.520 --> 0:34:26.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would have loved to have been able because

0:34:26.200 --> 0:34:27.800
<v Speaker 3>my mom's passed, and I would have loved to have

0:34:27.840 --> 0:34:30.319
<v Speaker 3>been able to have these kinds of conversations with my

0:34:30.520 --> 0:34:36.160
<v Speaker 3>mom about about this, like feelings that she had during

0:34:36.280 --> 0:34:40.000
<v Speaker 3>this stage of our lives. And also, Yo, how the

0:34:40.040 --> 0:34:42.520
<v Speaker 3>fuck was menopause for you, lady, because.

0:34:42.680 --> 0:34:44.360
<v Speaker 1>Well it seems like on your show you said that

0:34:44.400 --> 0:34:48.319
<v Speaker 1>she mentioned it to you in passing passing, Yes, in.

0:34:48.360 --> 0:34:50.640
<v Speaker 3>Passing, like it was just like, oh, by the way

0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:54.600
<v Speaker 3>I turned, I started menopause at forty two and I

0:34:54.640 --> 0:34:56.279
<v Speaker 3>was forty one, so it's probably gonna happen for you

0:34:56.320 --> 0:34:57.120
<v Speaker 3>around the same time.

0:34:57.840 --> 0:34:59.960
<v Speaker 2>What the fuck does that mean? What does that mean?

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:02.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? And did you She didn't, So I didn't. I

0:35:02.719 --> 0:35:04.120
<v Speaker 1>didn't ask that.

0:35:04.040 --> 0:35:07.080
<v Speaker 3>Alone because I was recovering from a traumatic brain injury

0:35:07.120 --> 0:35:09.440
<v Speaker 3>at the time, so you know, forgive me my brain's bleeding.

0:35:09.480 --> 0:35:13.719
<v Speaker 3>Didn't really have like a whole load of questions to say, okay, hey,

0:35:13.920 --> 0:35:18.080
<v Speaker 3>to help me, what's this? Had navigation of this whole

0:35:18.280 --> 0:35:18.839
<v Speaker 3>what is this?

0:35:19.080 --> 0:35:20.920
<v Speaker 1>What is menopause? What the fuck is that?

0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:24.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it seemed like nobody knew because nobody wanted to

0:35:24.480 --> 0:35:25.080
<v Speaker 3>talk about it.

0:35:25.320 --> 0:35:27.120
<v Speaker 1>Again, we go back to the medical.

0:35:26.760 --> 0:35:31.880
<v Speaker 3>Industry and how much it ignores women after a certain age,

0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:32.479
<v Speaker 3>and just.

0:35:32.520 --> 0:35:35.919
<v Speaker 1>I started seeing that, like halle Berry started coming out.

0:35:36.440 --> 0:35:38.960
<v Speaker 1>I saw social media clips and she was like, no

0:35:38.960 --> 0:35:42.040
<v Speaker 1>one's talking to women about these things they misdiagnosed, And

0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:44.520
<v Speaker 1>I was like, whoa, I'm going to tell you what's happening.

0:35:44.600 --> 0:35:45.520
<v Speaker 1>You want to know what's happening.

0:35:45.680 --> 0:35:50.160
<v Speaker 3>Gen X Again, we're fed up with having to have

0:35:50.200 --> 0:35:51.440
<v Speaker 3>figured everything out.

0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:52.640
<v Speaker 1>So wait, hold on one second here.

0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:55.560
<v Speaker 3>You wanted us to raise ourselves like we were like,

0:35:55.680 --> 0:35:58.160
<v Speaker 3>you know, feral animals or something like that. You put

0:35:58.200 --> 0:36:00.920
<v Speaker 3>a key around our next, you put us on public transportation.

0:36:01.160 --> 0:36:03.960
<v Speaker 3>You tell us to get home safely without being kidnapped

0:36:03.960 --> 0:36:06.120
<v Speaker 3>and shit like that. Cook, but don't burn the fucking

0:36:06.120 --> 0:36:08.879
<v Speaker 3>house down. Like we're like the forgotten generation that had

0:36:08.920 --> 0:36:12.080
<v Speaker 3>to like literally fend for ourselves every single We're the

0:36:12.400 --> 0:36:14.920
<v Speaker 3>Encyclopedia Britannica generation.

0:36:15.280 --> 0:36:16.320
<v Speaker 1>So there was no Google.

0:36:16.840 --> 0:36:19.279
<v Speaker 3>If you wanted to figure something out, shout out that

0:36:19.560 --> 0:36:21.040
<v Speaker 3>you had to find the volume.

0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:23.680
<v Speaker 1>But do you think that also is what is the

0:36:23.719 --> 0:36:27.480
<v Speaker 1>seed that makes you great. Oh yeah, it makes it

0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:33.239
<v Speaker 1>makes you hella. It gives you that perseverance. Right, It's

0:36:33.280 --> 0:36:34.040
<v Speaker 1>like a gift and curse.

0:36:34.160 --> 0:36:36.799
<v Speaker 3>Any anytime people think they got me backed into a

0:36:36.880 --> 0:36:37.720
<v Speaker 3>fucking corner.

0:36:37.800 --> 0:36:39.560
<v Speaker 1>Anytime people think that.

0:36:39.480 --> 0:36:42.239
<v Speaker 3>They got me that they can count me out, you

0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:46.520
<v Speaker 3>got me fucked up my level of tenacity and resilience.

0:36:47.080 --> 0:36:47.880
<v Speaker 1>Y'all don't know.

0:36:48.400 --> 0:36:51.759
<v Speaker 3>You don't know what I have had, what I have

0:36:52.000 --> 0:36:54.920
<v Speaker 3>had to do to survive. Everybody thinks, oh, there's a

0:36:54.920 --> 0:36:58.319
<v Speaker 3>pretty privileged element to your life, and no, I've had

0:36:58.360 --> 0:37:02.279
<v Speaker 3>to claw my way through my entire fucking life. Yes,

0:37:02.280 --> 0:37:07.000
<v Speaker 3>pretty privilege has basically, you know, has been a factor

0:37:07.640 --> 0:37:08.280
<v Speaker 3>in some.

0:37:08.160 --> 0:37:11.839
<v Speaker 1>Ways, but not everything. But I was gonna say, now,

0:37:12.400 --> 0:37:16.920
<v Speaker 1>your rise to the sex success, your rise to success

0:37:17.320 --> 0:37:21.040
<v Speaker 1>is definitely wasn't straight. I would imagine being in this

0:37:21.160 --> 0:37:23.440
<v Speaker 1>business for as long as you have, it had to

0:37:23.480 --> 0:37:26.040
<v Speaker 1>have been a roller coaster, right, like a up and down.

0:37:26.320 --> 0:37:27.800
<v Speaker 1>Let's talk about some of the lows.

0:37:28.400 --> 0:37:32.120
<v Speaker 3>The lows were that, you know, because you talk about management,

0:37:32.200 --> 0:37:33.040
<v Speaker 3>the lows were that.

0:37:33.040 --> 0:37:34.880
<v Speaker 2>Nobody seemed to know what the fuck to do with me,

0:37:35.480 --> 0:37:36.520
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, Like.

0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:40.400
<v Speaker 3>It just nobody seemed to know what to do with me,

0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:44.000
<v Speaker 3>and I was listen, I was fucking winging it. I

0:37:44.040 --> 0:37:47.680
<v Speaker 3>went from being a music video model to appearing on

0:37:48.000 --> 0:37:51.279
<v Speaker 3>in magazines's features and then you know, the covers of

0:37:51.280 --> 0:37:54.480
<v Speaker 3>magazines and calendars and stuff like that. But I'm literally

0:37:54.600 --> 0:37:56.879
<v Speaker 3>free floating through life. I don't know what the fuck

0:37:56.920 --> 0:37:59.600
<v Speaker 3>I'm doing. I'm just I'm just landing.

0:38:00.160 --> 0:38:01.760
<v Speaker 1>You're just feeling calls and taking.

0:38:02.160 --> 0:38:05.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's literally it. I'm just I'm hoping that I'm

0:38:05.120 --> 0:38:07.200
<v Speaker 3>making the right decision. But I don't know. I have

0:38:07.320 --> 0:38:10.239
<v Speaker 3>no sense of mentorship, I have no management. I have

0:38:10.320 --> 0:38:11.080
<v Speaker 3>known nothing.

0:38:11.600 --> 0:38:13.680
<v Speaker 1>And then how are the men in the industry, like

0:38:13.719 --> 0:38:15.920
<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes where you did you have to be

0:38:16.120 --> 0:38:19.640
<v Speaker 1>like tomboy mixed with sexy, Like how did you have

0:38:19.719 --> 0:38:21.160
<v Speaker 1>to manage that whole? No?

0:38:21.320 --> 0:38:24.879
<v Speaker 3>And what's interesting about that question is, you know, when

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:30.120
<v Speaker 3>I did Angie Martine's show IRL with Angie Martinez, we

0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:33.320
<v Speaker 3>talked about the different ways in which we had to approach,

0:38:33.880 --> 0:38:37.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, our careers, and she did what you just described, like,

0:38:38.000 --> 0:38:40.160
<v Speaker 3>you know, she had that you know, covered up and

0:38:40.640 --> 0:38:43.120
<v Speaker 3>had to you know, how to kind of like you know,

0:38:43.200 --> 0:38:44.680
<v Speaker 3>really kind of portray like that.

0:38:44.560 --> 0:38:47.760
<v Speaker 1>Tomboy slash b I t H. Yeah.

0:38:47.920 --> 0:38:50.479
<v Speaker 3>You know, just there's there's different ways in which women

0:38:50.640 --> 0:38:52.720
<v Speaker 3>had to survive in this business.

0:38:53.680 --> 0:38:58.920
<v Speaker 1>And with me, you know, I kind of was. I

0:38:59.120 --> 0:39:04.000
<v Speaker 1>was very My image was very sensual.

0:39:04.400 --> 0:39:07.359
<v Speaker 3>You know, some might say hyper sexual, but I won't

0:39:07.360 --> 0:39:11.240
<v Speaker 3>agree with that. I was very you know, Pam Anderson,

0:39:11.280 --> 0:39:13.840
<v Speaker 3>Marilyn Monroe. Yeah, that was the pin up girl, you know,

0:39:13.840 --> 0:39:16.520
<v Speaker 3>and I was very clear on that. But the ways

0:39:16.560 --> 0:39:19.440
<v Speaker 3>that I protected myself was I insulated my when it

0:39:19.440 --> 0:39:23.800
<v Speaker 3>came to the videos. I insulated myself with the higher ups,

0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:29.200
<v Speaker 3>so director, producers, agents and whatnot. I didn't, you know,

0:39:29.760 --> 0:39:34.040
<v Speaker 3>hang out with the artists. I didn't cross boundaries and

0:39:34.120 --> 0:39:36.799
<v Speaker 3>I did not do blurred lines at all.

0:39:36.920 --> 0:39:39.040
<v Speaker 1>So like once they called cut, if an artist was

0:39:39.040 --> 0:39:41.120
<v Speaker 1>like flirting with you, You're like all right by like

0:39:41.200 --> 0:39:43.800
<v Speaker 1>kind of how Janet Jackson like cut the number after

0:39:43.880 --> 0:39:47.960
<v Speaker 1>the poetic justice yes type shoot you were like yeah, great.

0:39:48.080 --> 0:39:52.480
<v Speaker 3>Deuces Like I'm not I'm not I'm not okay, I'm cool,

0:39:52.960 --> 0:39:53.800
<v Speaker 3>I'm not that cool.

0:39:54.239 --> 0:39:55.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm not that cool.

0:39:55.040 --> 0:39:58.320
<v Speaker 3>Where I'm going to I don't want the blurred lines

0:39:58.400 --> 0:40:01.479
<v Speaker 3>because that's not why I I'm here. I'm here for

0:40:01.680 --> 0:40:03.919
<v Speaker 3>an honest day's work for an honest day's pay.

0:40:03.960 --> 0:40:04.960
<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm here for.

0:40:05.080 --> 0:40:06.839
<v Speaker 3>So that was the That was one of the ways

0:40:06.840 --> 0:40:08.920
<v Speaker 3>that like I kind of protected myself and another way

0:40:08.920 --> 0:40:10.200
<v Speaker 3>that I would kind of protect myself.

0:40:10.280 --> 0:40:12.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm real big into like nonverbal.

0:40:11.840 --> 0:40:16.480
<v Speaker 3>Communication, so you know, I guess people would expect me

0:40:16.560 --> 0:40:19.799
<v Speaker 3>to just be that like that, that super vixen all

0:40:19.920 --> 0:40:22.520
<v Speaker 3>the time, And I wasn't that super vixen all the

0:40:22.560 --> 0:40:23.920
<v Speaker 3>time on my own time.

0:40:24.560 --> 0:40:27.560
<v Speaker 2>Regularly, I'm very jeans.

0:40:27.160 --> 0:40:27.800
<v Speaker 1>And T shirt.

0:40:28.080 --> 0:40:30.960
<v Speaker 3>I'm very I'm walking around my house in like a sweatsuit,

0:40:31.080 --> 0:40:32.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, sweatpants and a T shirt.

0:40:33.000 --> 0:40:33.480
<v Speaker 1>Like I'm not.

0:40:34.080 --> 0:40:36.799
<v Speaker 3>I'm not overtly sexual all the time. That shit would

0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:37.960
<v Speaker 3>be exhausting.

0:40:38.120 --> 0:40:41.000
<v Speaker 1>But how did the Cisco deal come about if you

0:40:41.200 --> 0:40:44.120
<v Speaker 1>were keeping those lines like hell a strict like that.

0:40:44.239 --> 0:40:47.920
<v Speaker 3>Well, because I was the lead in the Glory, Valles

0:40:47.960 --> 0:40:50.440
<v Speaker 3>and I were the two leads, so my I was

0:40:50.480 --> 0:40:52.759
<v Speaker 3>the first half of the video and that video, that

0:40:52.800 --> 0:40:55.160
<v Speaker 3>part of the video was shot in Druid Hill Park

0:40:55.280 --> 0:40:59.080
<v Speaker 3>in Baltimore, and so it was just us. There really

0:40:59.200 --> 0:41:01.560
<v Speaker 3>was no other so it was just us. So we

0:41:01.640 --> 0:41:03.799
<v Speaker 3>had to spend a lot of time together. So even

0:41:03.800 --> 0:41:08.080
<v Speaker 3>when they yelled cut. We were like mounted on this

0:41:10.560 --> 0:41:14.879
<v Speaker 3>motorcycle and this dolly that was on a truck, so

0:41:14.960 --> 0:41:17.920
<v Speaker 3>we couldn't go anywhere. We were literally fixed into that

0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:20.480
<v Speaker 3>shit and we'd be there for hours and hours and

0:41:20.520 --> 0:41:24.520
<v Speaker 3>hours and hours. And so this was over the course

0:41:24.560 --> 0:41:28.400
<v Speaker 3>of like two days or something like that, and then

0:41:28.600 --> 0:41:32.200
<v Speaker 3>it went to we flew to la and that's where

0:41:32.239 --> 0:41:34.799
<v Speaker 3>the rest of the video takes place. And so by

0:41:34.840 --> 0:41:36.640
<v Speaker 3>that time we just kind of like developed like a

0:41:36.680 --> 0:41:40.400
<v Speaker 3>cool report and Cisco was very respectful, like he wasn't like,

0:41:40.640 --> 0:41:43.640
<v Speaker 3>you know, just trying to He just wasn't that guy, yeah,

0:41:43.680 --> 0:41:45.759
<v Speaker 3>to try and like to try you. He just wasn't

0:41:45.760 --> 0:41:48.040
<v Speaker 3>that guy. He just was very friendly and very nice

0:41:48.080 --> 0:41:50.680
<v Speaker 3>and that was it. And so you asked me. He

0:41:50.760 --> 0:41:52.799
<v Speaker 3>was like looked at me and Gloria, he was like,

0:41:52.960 --> 0:41:55.680
<v Speaker 3>I want you to to be the leads in my

0:41:56.320 --> 0:41:57.279
<v Speaker 3>on on tour with me.

0:41:57.440 --> 0:41:59.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And that was what he did it right there.

0:41:59.840 --> 0:42:02.120
<v Speaker 1>He was like try to he talked to.

0:42:02.280 --> 0:42:04.440
<v Speaker 3>He talked to us at different times, but basically he

0:42:04.520 --> 0:42:06.960
<v Speaker 3>asked me when we were still in Baltimore, Like he

0:42:07.000 --> 0:42:09.680
<v Speaker 3>made that decision really quickly because he knew tour was happening.

0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:12.239
<v Speaker 3>Very very fast. It was like within the next two weeks.

0:42:12.440 --> 0:42:14.239
<v Speaker 3>So he had to make a decision, and he was

0:42:14.239 --> 0:42:16.600
<v Speaker 3>making decisions and he I don't know if he got

0:42:16.600 --> 0:42:18.640
<v Speaker 3>the idea for the six pack right then and there,

0:42:19.080 --> 0:42:21.480
<v Speaker 3>or if he'd been formulating the idea and he was like, oh,

0:42:21.640 --> 0:42:24.120
<v Speaker 3>she's the one, and then up she's the one, and

0:42:24.160 --> 0:42:28.000
<v Speaker 3>then filled out the back with the other four girls.

0:42:28.520 --> 0:42:30.520
<v Speaker 1>I've crossed pass with him like a way back. He

0:42:30.600 --> 0:42:35.360
<v Speaker 1>seems very legit. Yeah, he seemed very He's look at this,

0:42:35.400 --> 0:42:39.600
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna try this, poor mance sushi. I think it

0:42:39.640 --> 0:42:42.239
<v Speaker 1>looks like Chinese. It does kind of look like it.

0:42:42.239 --> 0:42:43.440
<v Speaker 1>It looks really good.

0:42:43.640 --> 0:42:45.680
<v Speaker 2>It looks it does look a little bit like Chinese.

0:42:45.760 --> 0:42:48.839
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, this was this was in a pinch or

0:42:49.560 --> 0:42:53.200
<v Speaker 3>I didn't really have a whole lot of, you know, money.

0:42:53.400 --> 0:42:55.960
<v Speaker 1>So when the there also switched this up with like

0:42:56.600 --> 0:43:00.640
<v Speaker 1>Han Salmon as well, Oh yeah, I feel like we

0:43:00.719 --> 0:43:03.080
<v Speaker 1>had Can Salmon on the show before, and it like

0:43:03.120 --> 0:43:03.680
<v Speaker 1>stuck up.

0:43:03.560 --> 0:43:05.200
<v Speaker 2>Our whole set.

0:43:05.880 --> 0:43:09.360
<v Speaker 1>Thank you, thank you, you're giving me all this And

0:43:09.360 --> 0:43:13.440
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it's because you're watching your figures

0:43:13.480 --> 0:43:15.359
<v Speaker 1>and I was trying to like even it out. Look

0:43:15.400 --> 0:43:17.960
<v Speaker 1>this looks good. Guys, can the camera see this? I

0:43:18.000 --> 0:43:20.879
<v Speaker 1>don't know see that? Can you see that? I don't

0:43:20.880 --> 0:43:24.399
<v Speaker 1>know if they can see it. They can, I'm gonna

0:43:24.440 --> 0:43:26.759
<v Speaker 1>go ahead and try this. Here we go into the

0:43:28.719 --> 0:43:37.200
<v Speaker 1>I feel like you could stay okay. I was scared

0:43:37.200 --> 0:43:42.520
<v Speaker 1>about the sarachi and not that bad. It's no strong

0:43:43.480 --> 0:43:46.279
<v Speaker 1>you do season she does season her food really well.

0:43:46.680 --> 0:43:51.719
<v Speaker 1>That's a black side. Mammm hmm. It's good. I have

0:43:51.960 --> 0:43:55.600
<v Speaker 1>had this in so long. This is pretty damn good.

0:43:55.840 --> 0:43:59.120
<v Speaker 1>Thank you. This is really good. I am kind of

0:43:59.160 --> 0:44:01.120
<v Speaker 1>loving this. I gotta go back to making this ship.

0:44:02.120 --> 0:44:04.560
<v Speaker 1>You know what. There are dishes on this show where

0:44:05.320 --> 0:44:07.200
<v Speaker 1>it's so good that I go home and I made

0:44:07.200 --> 0:44:07.919
<v Speaker 1>it for like a week.

0:44:08.200 --> 0:44:11.239
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, this is this is really good.

0:44:11.239 --> 0:44:16.160
<v Speaker 1>You seasoned it well. SCRATCHI is hot, but well I

0:44:16.200 --> 0:44:17.680
<v Speaker 1>don't really eat a lot of spice.

0:44:17.400 --> 0:44:19.600
<v Speaker 3>Book either, do I. That's the white side of me.

0:44:19.640 --> 0:44:21.160
<v Speaker 3>They can't really deal with spicy.

0:44:21.760 --> 0:44:25.880
<v Speaker 1>These vegetables work, Yeah, they work. It works, it works.

0:44:26.280 --> 0:44:31.560
<v Speaker 1>It did better than peace. Mm hmmm, it's good. I'm

0:44:31.600 --> 0:44:47.560
<v Speaker 1>impressed with this dish. So let's talk about like the

0:44:47.600 --> 0:44:49.879
<v Speaker 1>Because there was an air where video Vixen and all

0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:53.200
<v Speaker 1>that stuff was in. Then all of a sudden people started

0:44:53.200 --> 0:44:55.280
<v Speaker 1>hating on it, and then it started to phase out.

0:44:55.600 --> 0:44:58.040
<v Speaker 1>Take me through what that journey was, because there was

0:44:58.080 --> 0:45:02.200
<v Speaker 1>a period where you did like a reality show in between.

0:45:02.640 --> 0:45:07.360
<v Speaker 3>No, the reality show didn't happen until like twenty thirteen.

0:45:10.480 --> 0:45:12.760
<v Speaker 2>You know, long story short about the music videos.

0:45:13.400 --> 0:45:18.560
<v Speaker 3>Really everything was just kind of like a casualty of piracy.

0:45:19.160 --> 0:45:23.880
<v Speaker 3>You know, the the record industry was just kind of

0:45:23.880 --> 0:45:25.560
<v Speaker 3>losing control of its product.

0:45:26.120 --> 0:45:27.680
<v Speaker 1>Illegal downloading and shit like that.

0:45:27.719 --> 0:45:29.759
<v Speaker 3>All the stuff that we take, Yeah, naps are all

0:45:29.760 --> 0:45:31.719
<v Speaker 3>the shit that we take for granted right now, just

0:45:31.760 --> 0:45:33.280
<v Speaker 3>in terms of streaming.

0:45:32.840 --> 0:45:33.600
<v Speaker 1>And stuff like this.

0:45:33.600 --> 0:45:36.719
<v Speaker 3>This was this was a this was a really big

0:45:36.760 --> 0:45:40.680
<v Speaker 3>deal in record companies, you know, were hemorrhaging money. So

0:45:40.800 --> 0:45:45.600
<v Speaker 3>whereas music videos the budgets used to be. I mean

0:45:45.640 --> 0:45:48.000
<v Speaker 3>when I did Knock Yourself Out, that budget was like

0:45:49.520 --> 0:45:54.280
<v Speaker 3>six hundred and fifty dollars. What Yeah, Thong song remix

0:45:54.360 --> 0:45:57.240
<v Speaker 3>was like one point one. Big pimpin was one million.

0:45:57.400 --> 0:45:59.920
<v Speaker 1>There spend a lot of money. Oh yeah that and

0:46:00.239 --> 0:46:03.000
<v Speaker 1>they definitely don't spend that now, No, they don't not

0:46:03.080 --> 0:46:08.759
<v Speaker 1>even close. That seems like outrageous now, but it was

0:46:08.920 --> 0:46:12.000
<v Speaker 1>so normal back then I mean the whole thing, thank

0:46:12.040 --> 0:46:15.040
<v Speaker 1>you eating like hella unprofessional look on.

0:46:16.360 --> 0:46:18.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was three hundred and fifty thousand, but that

0:46:18.840 --> 0:46:21.400
<v Speaker 3>was when it it had started to hit. But I

0:46:21.400 --> 0:46:24.160
<v Speaker 3>mean it's usher and you know, Ludacris and loved John,

0:46:24.200 --> 0:46:25.759
<v Speaker 3>So there was still a massive there was still a

0:46:25.800 --> 0:46:26.959
<v Speaker 3>massive budget at the time.

0:46:28.320 --> 0:46:31.560
<v Speaker 1>But and so, you know, when.

0:46:31.560 --> 0:46:34.799
<v Speaker 3>Record companies had just you know, they they developed this

0:46:34.920 --> 0:46:37.520
<v Speaker 3>formula for the way music videos looked. It was a

0:46:37.520 --> 0:46:40.200
<v Speaker 3>lot of hot girls, It was a lot of pomp

0:46:40.200 --> 0:46:43.520
<v Speaker 3>and circumstance, you know, fancy cars and just money and

0:46:44.000 --> 0:46:47.400
<v Speaker 3>houses and pools and whatever else. So how do you

0:46:47.440 --> 0:46:52.399
<v Speaker 3>create the same product with a minimum budget? So everything

0:46:52.640 --> 0:46:55.760
<v Speaker 3>like quality control just kind of went out the fucking window.

0:46:56.080 --> 0:47:00.360
<v Speaker 3>And so they stopped casting models like me came with

0:47:00.400 --> 0:47:03.480
<v Speaker 3>an extraordinarily high price tag, and then they just started

0:47:03.520 --> 0:47:07.960
<v Speaker 3>going into you know, strip clubs or or just casting

0:47:08.040 --> 0:47:12.239
<v Speaker 3>girls who were just so I don't want to use

0:47:12.280 --> 0:47:15.400
<v Speaker 3>the word thirsty, but it kind of applies. Just so

0:47:16.719 --> 0:47:19.400
<v Speaker 3>they just really really wanted to do music videos.

0:47:19.400 --> 0:47:21.279
<v Speaker 1>They do it for free. They didn't give a shit.

0:47:22.840 --> 0:47:25.200
<v Speaker 3>Your quality control kind of goes out the window because

0:47:25.200 --> 0:47:27.080
<v Speaker 3>a lot of girls feel like, oh, well, in order

0:47:27.080 --> 0:47:29.600
<v Speaker 3>for me to get that burn, get that camera time,

0:47:29.680 --> 0:47:32.799
<v Speaker 3>I gotta be like like I'd be like real salacious

0:47:32.840 --> 0:47:35.880
<v Speaker 3>about it. And so you know, I was very like,

0:47:36.120 --> 0:47:39.040
<v Speaker 3>I'm not wearing that. Don't fucking touch me. I'm not

0:47:39.160 --> 0:47:41.759
<v Speaker 3>doing that, and I'm not doing it for that Lowa price.

0:47:41.800 --> 0:47:44.319
<v Speaker 3>I'm sure at that point you even when you're still

0:47:44.440 --> 0:47:46.640
<v Speaker 3>you're paying my price, I'm still not wearing that.

0:47:46.760 --> 0:47:49.680
<v Speaker 1>I'm not doing that. Don't fucking touch me. Like that

0:47:49.840 --> 0:47:50.080
<v Speaker 1>was me.

0:47:50.480 --> 0:47:53.680
<v Speaker 3>They girls were like, you can stick your tongue down

0:47:53.719 --> 0:47:54.200
<v Speaker 3>my throat.

0:47:54.320 --> 0:47:55.480
<v Speaker 1>We just met whatever.

0:47:55.640 --> 0:47:58.440
<v Speaker 3>They'd be wearing, the littlest, tiniest things, they'd be twirking,

0:47:58.560 --> 0:47:59.320
<v Speaker 3>but just.

0:47:59.239 --> 0:48:01.120
<v Speaker 1>It was so it.

0:48:01.120 --> 0:48:04.320
<v Speaker 3>It's like every video almost became and then also uncut

0:48:04.360 --> 0:48:04.960
<v Speaker 3>happened too.

0:48:05.239 --> 0:48:08.560
<v Speaker 1>Being uncut sounds like that after hours, right.

0:48:08.680 --> 0:48:11.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but everybody was staying up for it.

0:48:11.280 --> 0:48:12.680
<v Speaker 1>So it's just like so gone.

0:48:12.760 --> 0:48:16.560
<v Speaker 3>We're the days of like, you know, video models being like.

0:48:16.520 --> 0:48:17.840
<v Speaker 1>You know, the tasteful.

0:48:18.280 --> 0:48:21.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, they're being like an element of taste to it

0:48:21.360 --> 0:48:25.960
<v Speaker 3>and then being casted actual models, and so people just

0:48:26.000 --> 0:48:27.440
<v Speaker 3>weren't able to tell the difference.

0:48:27.520 --> 0:48:30.319
<v Speaker 1>Do you feel like, yeah, do you feel like the

0:48:30.360 --> 0:48:35.320
<v Speaker 1>female videos are like getting more raw than the guy videos.

0:48:35.320 --> 0:48:37.840
<v Speaker 1>Like sometimes I'll see some of these girl videos, I'm like, damn,

0:48:38.320 --> 0:48:41.600
<v Speaker 1>the girls are doing the girls of this service at

0:48:41.600 --> 0:48:42.040
<v Speaker 1>this point.

0:48:42.480 --> 0:48:44.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but I mean I think that it's for a

0:48:44.400 --> 0:48:47.440
<v Speaker 3>completely different reason because I mean, like they are the

0:48:47.560 --> 0:48:53.279
<v Speaker 3>artists themselves, And to me, this is this generation has

0:48:53.400 --> 0:48:57.960
<v Speaker 3>a has a different sense of agency over there and

0:48:58.080 --> 0:49:02.240
<v Speaker 3>ownership over their body and their self sexuality. They unabashedly,

0:49:02.360 --> 0:49:07.800
<v Speaker 3>unapologetically flaunt it without a sense of repercussion. They dare

0:49:07.920 --> 0:49:10.319
<v Speaker 3>you to challenge them or to make them feel bad

0:49:10.360 --> 0:49:13.360
<v Speaker 3>about it. Yeah, you know, they're like they they're just

0:49:13.400 --> 0:49:16.600
<v Speaker 3>completely different than we were in a really good way.

0:49:16.880 --> 0:49:22.960
<v Speaker 1>You like it, I mean just just autonomy. I like autonomy.

0:49:24.520 --> 0:49:28.040
<v Speaker 3>This election and the war for control over women's bodies

0:49:28.680 --> 0:49:31.600
<v Speaker 3>is that's the part of this, of this whole thing,

0:49:31.760 --> 0:49:35.080
<v Speaker 3>this country. The overturning of Roe versus Wade. That literally

0:49:35.120 --> 0:49:38.120
<v Speaker 3>makes me so fucking upset and so sad and is

0:49:38.160 --> 0:49:43.440
<v Speaker 3>so triggering. So when I see women being unapologetically themselves

0:49:43.440 --> 0:49:47.880
<v Speaker 3>and taking ownership of their sexuality, I can't do anything

0:49:47.880 --> 0:49:50.839
<v Speaker 3>but applaud that. And I'm not the one who's here

0:49:50.880 --> 0:49:53.279
<v Speaker 3>to judge them based on what they do. I don't

0:49:53.360 --> 0:49:55.440
<v Speaker 3>like every single thing that they do. There's some things

0:49:55.440 --> 0:49:56.279
<v Speaker 3>where I'm just like.

0:49:56.239 --> 0:49:58.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh girl, what the fuck? You know?

0:49:58.880 --> 0:50:02.200
<v Speaker 3>But hey, that's you, you and your decision and the

0:50:02.280 --> 0:50:04.880
<v Speaker 3>fact that you made that decision for yourself.

0:50:06.600 --> 0:50:10.640
<v Speaker 1>You know. Right, Let's talk about the pivot from where

0:50:10.680 --> 0:50:12.920
<v Speaker 1>you were then to podcasting, because you've been in podcasting

0:50:12.960 --> 0:50:15.640
<v Speaker 1>for over ten years now. Mm hmmm. So how did

0:50:15.680 --> 0:50:18.920
<v Speaker 1>that pivot come into play? There's so much fucking in between,

0:50:20.440 --> 0:50:21.400
<v Speaker 1>so much in between.

0:50:23.680 --> 0:50:25.080
<v Speaker 3>You give me like the I'm going to give you

0:50:25.120 --> 0:50:31.600
<v Speaker 3>the elevator, the elevator cliff notes. So when you asked, like,

0:50:31.800 --> 0:50:34.839
<v Speaker 3>you know, what was like the hardships and stuff like that,

0:50:35.440 --> 0:50:38.320
<v Speaker 3>and the main thing being that I had no management,

0:50:38.560 --> 0:50:41.560
<v Speaker 3>I had no mentorship. I was basically flying by the

0:50:41.560 --> 0:50:44.520
<v Speaker 3>seat of my fucking pants. But I did make some

0:50:44.560 --> 0:50:48.640
<v Speaker 3>good decisions. I always knew that music videos and you know,

0:50:48.760 --> 0:50:51.720
<v Speaker 3>just kind of like getting having my image out there

0:50:51.760 --> 0:50:55.480
<v Speaker 3>and acquiring like an enormous fan base. I could leverage

0:50:55.480 --> 0:51:00.440
<v Speaker 3>that popularity with with wherever I was going. And my

0:51:00.520 --> 0:51:04.000
<v Speaker 3>next stop was to do television hosting, and so I

0:51:04.040 --> 0:51:07.880
<v Speaker 3>started to solicit bet for several for any opportunity that

0:51:07.920 --> 0:51:11.239
<v Speaker 3>they would give me to be on camera talent and.

0:51:11.719 --> 0:51:14.600
<v Speaker 1>And you were making the calls I had. I you know,

0:51:14.680 --> 0:51:15.840
<v Speaker 1>I just through connections.

0:51:15.920 --> 0:51:18.320
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, like that, I developed a friendship with Big Tigger,

0:51:18.360 --> 0:51:21.600
<v Speaker 3>and he was really instrumental in like introducing me to

0:51:21.760 --> 0:51:23.719
<v Speaker 3>Stephen Hill, who was like, you know.

0:51:23.719 --> 0:51:26.839
<v Speaker 1>The the VP at the time. I want to say

0:51:27.239 --> 0:51:27.720
<v Speaker 1>a BT.

0:51:29.160 --> 0:51:33.880
<v Speaker 3>And so Stephen was like he gave me opportunities to

0:51:34.120 --> 0:51:36.759
<v Speaker 3>you know, basically prove my metal, like you know, let's

0:51:36.760 --> 0:51:39.839
<v Speaker 3>see what you can do. And in two thousand and four,

0:51:40.239 --> 0:51:43.680
<v Speaker 3>they hired me as on camera talent. I mean there

0:51:43.760 --> 0:51:46.960
<v Speaker 3>was billboards and stuff like that, and you know, with

0:51:47.000 --> 0:51:49.400
<v Speaker 3>my picture and Free and AJ and Tigger, it was

0:51:49.480 --> 0:51:53.520
<v Speaker 3>like wow. And so I had to fucking find a

0:51:53.600 --> 0:51:57.320
<v Speaker 3>lawyer to like, you know, kind of you know, negotiate

0:51:57.360 --> 0:51:59.200
<v Speaker 3>my contract for me and stuff like that was a

0:51:59.239 --> 0:52:03.040
<v Speaker 3>fucking terrible contract, but whatever, I didn't care. It was

0:52:03.160 --> 0:52:05.480
<v Speaker 3>it was a way to like kind of legitimize myself

0:52:05.520 --> 0:52:09.200
<v Speaker 3>and kind of get me away from the whole image

0:52:09.200 --> 0:52:11.800
<v Speaker 3>of doing music videos. Even though I had no shame

0:52:12.440 --> 0:52:15.600
<v Speaker 3>in my participation in it. It was starting to like

0:52:15.760 --> 0:52:18.320
<v Speaker 3>get a little funky for the reasons that I described.

0:52:18.360 --> 0:52:20.879
<v Speaker 1>And then when that book came out. Don't even get

0:52:20.880 --> 0:52:23.760
<v Speaker 1>me started on that. So wait, well book some Quessions

0:52:23.760 --> 0:52:25.120
<v Speaker 1>of a Video Mix. Oh yeah.

0:52:25.600 --> 0:52:32.280
<v Speaker 3>So television television hosting opportunities opened up for me after

0:52:32.360 --> 0:52:33.640
<v Speaker 3>I got hired with BT.

0:52:34.760 --> 0:52:36.360
<v Speaker 1>You know, you just start meeting people.

0:52:36.600 --> 0:52:39.799
<v Speaker 3>And they had a show called Mad Sports on there,

0:52:39.840 --> 0:52:42.239
<v Speaker 3>and they were like, Melissa, We're gonna give you a

0:52:42.239 --> 0:52:45.719
<v Speaker 3>microphone and you are going out there to interview athletes

0:52:46.080 --> 0:52:46.920
<v Speaker 3>because they love you.

0:52:47.000 --> 0:52:48.880
<v Speaker 1>And I was like, okay, cool.

0:52:49.160 --> 0:52:51.400
<v Speaker 3>And that just kind of put me in the path

0:52:51.800 --> 0:52:53.680
<v Speaker 3>of really.

0:52:53.640 --> 0:52:54.880
<v Speaker 1>Big decision makers.

0:52:54.880 --> 0:52:56.960
<v Speaker 3>And one of those decision makers was this man named

0:52:57.000 --> 0:53:00.680
<v Speaker 3>Michael Mant and he was like, the EP of this

0:53:00.760 --> 0:53:03.600
<v Speaker 3>show called Jim Rome is burning a bunch of shows

0:53:03.600 --> 0:53:05.400
<v Speaker 3>on Pardon the interruption.

0:53:05.480 --> 0:53:07.560
<v Speaker 2>These are very popular shows at the.

0:53:07.520 --> 0:53:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Time on ESPN.

0:53:10.600 --> 0:53:12.279
<v Speaker 3>And so one day we had like, you know, just

0:53:12.320 --> 0:53:14.959
<v Speaker 3>like kind of an informal dinner and he was like, Mossa,

0:53:15.000 --> 0:53:16.480
<v Speaker 3>what do you want to do? And I said, I

0:53:16.560 --> 0:53:19.719
<v Speaker 3>want to host the sp nomination show. I knew, right,

0:53:19.920 --> 0:53:22.560
<v Speaker 3>I knew exactly what I wanted. Okay, yes, And he

0:53:22.680 --> 0:53:26.759
<v Speaker 3>was like, my sister is the EP of the SP's I.

0:53:26.680 --> 0:53:29.279
<v Speaker 1>Think that that can happen. And I was like, oh

0:53:29.400 --> 0:53:29.960
<v Speaker 1>my god.

0:53:30.200 --> 0:53:32.279
<v Speaker 3>And then they called me like, I don't know, like

0:53:32.440 --> 0:53:34.319
<v Speaker 3>a few weeks later and they said, yeah, you got

0:53:34.320 --> 0:53:36.480
<v Speaker 3>the gig. You're going to be hosting the Emmy nomination

0:53:36.600 --> 0:53:39.600
<v Speaker 3>show for the two thousand and six Emmys with Stuart Scott.

0:53:40.520 --> 0:53:45.080
<v Speaker 3>Rest in peace. One of the most incredible humans to

0:53:45.200 --> 0:53:51.280
<v Speaker 3>ever walk this earth, Stuart Scott. I mean, I still

0:53:51.520 --> 0:53:54.080
<v Speaker 3>I could start crying thinking about him right now. He

0:53:54.239 --> 0:53:59.520
<v Speaker 3>was so generous and so caring, and.

0:53:59.400 --> 0:54:02.880
<v Speaker 1>So he just was so dope. He knew how nervous

0:54:02.920 --> 0:54:03.319
<v Speaker 1>I was.

0:54:03.440 --> 0:54:07.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm in a totally different realm outside of anything I've

0:54:07.680 --> 0:54:10.520
<v Speaker 3>ever done before, and I'm trying so hard to like

0:54:10.600 --> 0:54:14.160
<v Speaker 3>be perfect. And he was like, you got this, you

0:54:14.239 --> 0:54:16.439
<v Speaker 3>got this, melth you got this, and I got you.

0:54:16.680 --> 0:54:17.520
<v Speaker 1>And I was like okay.

0:54:18.120 --> 0:54:24.800
<v Speaker 3>And so that ended up becoming another opportunity to host

0:54:25.040 --> 0:54:28.319
<v Speaker 3>the Red car the SB Red Carpet with him and

0:54:28.400 --> 0:54:31.040
<v Speaker 3>a couple of other hosts. So it just turned into

0:54:31.080 --> 0:54:33.920
<v Speaker 3>like a really incredible opportunity.

0:54:35.360 --> 0:54:37.880
<v Speaker 1>But what goes up, what must come down, And.

0:54:39.360 --> 0:54:41.080
<v Speaker 3>You know, I just was like kind of like riding

0:54:41.120 --> 0:54:49.400
<v Speaker 3>on a high and then I left BT not voluntarily. Well,

0:54:51.239 --> 0:54:52.920
<v Speaker 3>it was kind of like we're not gonna run into

0:54:52.960 --> 0:54:54.160
<v Speaker 3>your contract. I was like, well, I don't want to

0:54:54.160 --> 0:54:55.160
<v Speaker 3>fucking come back anyways.

0:54:55.200 --> 0:54:56.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. It was okay, it was like a

0:54:57.000 --> 0:54:57.680
<v Speaker 1>mutual breakup.

0:54:57.800 --> 0:55:00.839
<v Speaker 3>It was yeah, but my ego was just stupid at

0:55:00.840 --> 0:55:03.040
<v Speaker 3>that time. I wish I could go back and like

0:55:03.080 --> 0:55:04.520
<v Speaker 3>slap the shit out of myself.

0:55:06.200 --> 0:55:09.680
<v Speaker 1>I just I don't even know how to tell that story.

0:55:10.600 --> 0:55:15.759
<v Speaker 1>I just were you feeling yourself like you mean, were

0:55:15.760 --> 0:55:17.320
<v Speaker 1>you cocky or rude?

0:55:17.400 --> 0:55:20.759
<v Speaker 3>Or I might have been a Sometimes I might have

0:55:20.800 --> 0:55:24.520
<v Speaker 3>been a little difficult to work with, you know, but

0:55:24.560 --> 0:55:27.120
<v Speaker 3>you know, women always get that label. You know, men

0:55:27.160 --> 0:55:29.440
<v Speaker 3>never really get that label. But I might have been

0:55:29.440 --> 0:55:33.000
<v Speaker 3>a little difficult to work with. But something happened in

0:55:33.040 --> 0:55:36.720
<v Speaker 3>two thousand and five, Hurricane Katrina happened.

0:55:36.920 --> 0:55:41.080
<v Speaker 1>And I was really really distraught.

0:55:41.400 --> 0:55:46.480
<v Speaker 3>My boyfriend at the time was from Louisiana, and so

0:55:46.600 --> 0:55:50.240
<v Speaker 3>I felt like an indirect connection and also just watching

0:55:50.360 --> 0:55:57.160
<v Speaker 3>human suffering and also what looked like our governments very

0:55:57.320 --> 0:56:02.960
<v Speaker 3>very slow response to said human suffering. I just felt

0:56:02.960 --> 0:56:07.279
<v Speaker 3>like I had to do something, and so I ran

0:56:07.480 --> 0:56:12.840
<v Speaker 3>into one of the VP's offices at the time. His

0:56:12.920 --> 0:56:19.400
<v Speaker 3>name was Eugene. Eugene Caldwell, maybe possibly don't quote me

0:56:19.440 --> 0:56:19.759
<v Speaker 3>on that.

0:56:20.040 --> 0:56:22.279
<v Speaker 1>First name was definitely just heard mic close enough. I

0:56:22.320 --> 0:56:24.040
<v Speaker 1>just want to make sure I get this whole thing, Okay.

0:56:25.239 --> 0:56:28.040
<v Speaker 3>So his name was Eugene, and I went into his

0:56:28.080 --> 0:56:31.320
<v Speaker 3>office and I pitched this idea of me doing coverage

0:56:31.600 --> 0:56:37.080
<v Speaker 3>of Hurricane Katrina survivors. By this time, the vast majority

0:56:37.120 --> 0:56:42.000
<v Speaker 3>of them were starting to get starting to get moved

0:56:42.080 --> 0:56:48.000
<v Speaker 3>to the Reliant Center in Houston from the Superdome in Louisiana, which.

0:56:47.920 --> 0:56:51.720
<v Speaker 2>You know, we all heard stories about how awful.

0:56:51.360 --> 0:56:52.040
<v Speaker 1>It was there.

0:56:52.600 --> 0:56:57.280
<v Speaker 3>And so my boyfriend, he had a lot of connections

0:56:57.320 --> 0:57:00.839
<v Speaker 3>in Houston, and I was just like, I will fund this.

0:57:00.960 --> 0:57:03.960
<v Speaker 3>If I have to just give me a crew, I'll

0:57:04.040 --> 0:57:08.160
<v Speaker 3>house them. Just give me the opportunity to go to

0:57:08.200 --> 0:57:11.080
<v Speaker 3>the Reliance Center and start to interview people. And I

0:57:11.120 --> 0:57:13.279
<v Speaker 3>had this, I had just like this idea as to

0:57:13.440 --> 0:57:16.560
<v Speaker 3>who I wanted to interview. We were interviewing people, you know,

0:57:16.640 --> 0:57:19.320
<v Speaker 3>growing adults. But I was like, what about the kids?

0:57:19.640 --> 0:57:22.880
<v Speaker 3>What about not just young children, what about teenagers? You know,

0:57:23.520 --> 0:57:27.520
<v Speaker 3>so much of our audience on BET was teenagers watching this.

0:57:28.160 --> 0:57:32.040
<v Speaker 3>As teenagers, our identity is usually kind of ensconced in.

0:57:32.200 --> 0:57:32.880
<v Speaker 1>What we wear.

0:57:34.320 --> 0:57:36.680
<v Speaker 3>You know, and the music that we listened to, and

0:57:37.200 --> 0:57:39.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, like we're forming our identities, but these are

0:57:39.920 --> 0:57:43.440
<v Speaker 3>the things that we use to kind of like determine

0:57:43.480 --> 0:57:46.240
<v Speaker 3>who we are, you know. And I was like, nobody's

0:57:46.280 --> 0:57:48.280
<v Speaker 3>talking to them. I was like, I want to go

0:57:48.320 --> 0:57:49.960
<v Speaker 3>talk to them. That's our audience.

0:57:49.960 --> 0:57:51.240
<v Speaker 1>What did they say to this pitch?

0:57:51.880 --> 0:57:54.520
<v Speaker 3>So they loved it, and they sent me all the

0:57:54.560 --> 0:57:56.920
<v Speaker 3>way upstairs to the EVP of news.

0:57:57.560 --> 0:58:00.680
<v Speaker 2>Her name was Nina Henderson Moore. I can't believe I

0:58:00.760 --> 0:58:02.920
<v Speaker 2>remember this shit. This is so long ago.

0:58:03.280 --> 0:58:06.720
<v Speaker 3>And I just was so like bright eyed and bushy tailed.

0:58:06.760 --> 0:58:09.520
<v Speaker 3>It's so enthusiastic, and I felt like this was the

0:58:09.600 --> 0:58:13.600
<v Speaker 3>way for me to finally drop this kind of.

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<v Speaker 1>This this.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, I was just being rec Oh the

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<v Speaker 3>video girl, I was like, no, I want to be

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<v Speaker 3>recognized as somebody who has journalistic integrity and ethics who

0:58:27.520 --> 0:58:29.840
<v Speaker 3>may not have gone to school for journalism, but I

0:58:29.920 --> 0:58:31.960
<v Speaker 3>sure as fucking act like one, and I know how

0:58:32.000 --> 0:58:33.880
<v Speaker 3>to ask questions and I know how to interview people.

0:58:33.920 --> 0:58:36.880
<v Speaker 3>So I just wanted this opportunity. Not everybody who's out

0:58:36.880 --> 0:58:40.200
<v Speaker 3>there with a microphone went to school for journalism, you know. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>So she was all for it.

0:58:44.000 --> 0:58:47.680
<v Speaker 1>She loved the idea. It's it looks like all systems

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<v Speaker 1>are go.

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<v Speaker 3>And then there was a meeting that took place with

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<v Speaker 3>a very powerful consultant and this came up on the agenda.

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<v Speaker 3>Melissa Ford going to host you know, like Reliance blah

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<v Speaker 3>blah blah dah da dad, And he said, why the

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<v Speaker 3>fuck are we sending a video girl out into the

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<v Speaker 3>field to handle this shit? And he was so powerful

0:59:16.200 --> 0:59:19.920
<v Speaker 3>that he just put the kebash on all of it.

0:59:20.600 --> 0:59:22.640
<v Speaker 1>And they didn't tell me right away.

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<v Speaker 3>I had to like literally beg them to tell me

0:59:26.480 --> 0:59:29.920
<v Speaker 3>what had happened. Like everybody was so gung ho and

0:59:29.960 --> 0:59:32.520
<v Speaker 3>so enthusiastic about this with me, and like, you know,

0:59:32.600 --> 0:59:35.080
<v Speaker 3>I'd already like started talking to people that I wanted

0:59:35.120 --> 0:59:37.600
<v Speaker 3>to be the crew, Like my producer from my show,

0:59:37.640 --> 0:59:39.680
<v Speaker 3>which was BT Style at the time. I wanted her

0:59:39.720 --> 0:59:43.439
<v Speaker 3>to come with me. I wanted I had the skeleton crew.

0:59:44.040 --> 0:59:49.920
<v Speaker 3>And I was so fucking devastated. Very soon after this,

0:59:50.240 --> 0:59:53.400
<v Speaker 3>I did an article for Well.

0:59:53.400 --> 0:59:54.560
<v Speaker 1>I did the cover of.

0:59:58.080 --> 1:00:02.800
<v Speaker 3>Double Excel's Eye Candy issue and I was the premiere issue,

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<v Speaker 3>and then I did an article, you know, a written

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<v Speaker 3>piece for it, and I'm trying to remember who it

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<v Speaker 3>was that wrote it.

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<v Speaker 2>I can't remember right now, but they were a really

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<v Speaker 2>prolific writer.

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<v Speaker 3>And I talked about this situation because I was still

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<v Speaker 3>smarting from it.

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<v Speaker 1>I was still so fucking angry. I was very hurt.

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<v Speaker 3>I was really really hurt by'm a scorpio. So my

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<v Speaker 3>fucking stinger was up and so you know.

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<v Speaker 1>That's that shit. That is a hurtful ass thing. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So I told the story and then I of one

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<v Speaker 3>of the quotes was it was at that moment that

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<v Speaker 3>I realized that the glass ceiling was a lot closer

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<v Speaker 3>to my head than that originally thought. And then the

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<v Speaker 3>magazine came out and I was in the airport at

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<v Speaker 3>the time when I saw it, and I grabbed it

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<v Speaker 3>off the stand.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, I'm like carry with the bube, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>And I ran to the gate and I'm reading and

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, oh shit. So I called up Stephen Hill

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<v Speaker 3>and I said, I have to come in and talk

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<v Speaker 3>to you.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't tell him why.

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<v Speaker 3>I just wanted to be upfront that this article was

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<v Speaker 3>out and I didn't want it to end up on

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<v Speaker 3>your desk without me kind of putting it on the

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<v Speaker 3>desk and me talking about this and giving me giving

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<v Speaker 3>you the reasons why Jesus Yeah, well, you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>think that that was one of the reasons that led

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<v Speaker 3>to termination.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't several months later. It doesn't sound too much

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<v Speaker 1>like ego though. It sounds like, uh, you know, it

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't sound too much like you know, like you had.

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<v Speaker 1>It sounded like you were like, oh, well, maybe it

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<v Speaker 1>was my ego, but it seems to me like it

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<v Speaker 1>was more like, you know, it was if I'm passionate

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<v Speaker 1>about your job and your purpose and you know, how

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<v Speaker 1>does that make you feel? Because it also came up

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<v Speaker 1>in your Unbothered episode. I hope we're not going over

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<v Speaker 1>but but okay, but I I know on the podcast

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<v Speaker 1>episode you had an opportunity to speak at Harvard and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and that that kind of came up, like only fans

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<v Speaker 1>I think, came up. How does that make you feel?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you have like a love hate relationship with this

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<v Speaker 1>thing that kind of like helped you but now of

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<v Speaker 1>the age now is starting to hurt you.

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<v Speaker 3>I what do I say about that? You know, it's

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<v Speaker 3>not something that I broadcast, but it's also not something

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<v Speaker 3>that I'm ashamed of because you know, it allowed me

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<v Speaker 3>to pay my bills during the pandemic. You know, my

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<v Speaker 3>mom had passed away. I didn't know my ask for

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<v Speaker 3>my Actually I hadn't even started it then.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really like kind of it was really like

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<v Speaker 1>it was.

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<v Speaker 3>It was maybe about a year afterwards, and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it was just it was just it was just a

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<v Speaker 3>way to like, you know, tap into the fan base

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<v Speaker 3>that's always been there. And you know, like I said,

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<v Speaker 3>I have no judgment for the way that other people

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<v Speaker 3>live their lives and the things that they do on OnlyFans.

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<v Speaker 3>I knew what I was doing. It was basically the

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<v Speaker 3>same stuff that I was doing when I was doing

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<v Speaker 3>the covers of magazine. Those magazines don't exist anymore. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, so I can still shoot the same way.

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<v Speaker 3>I can do the implied nudity. I can do the

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<v Speaker 3>lingerie and the bikinis and stuff like that. I can

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<v Speaker 3>do that stuff, And to me, it's just it's kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like it's just a part of the repertoire that

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<v Speaker 3>I can go back to whenever I want to, because

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<v Speaker 3>because it's available to me.

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<v Speaker 1>But I'm saying for you personally, is it a love hate?

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<v Speaker 1>Is there is there like a love hate for the judge.

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<v Speaker 3>The judgment that I don't have for others is oftentimes,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, placed on me, and that frustrates me sometimes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Do you think that podcasting is helping you be

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<v Speaker 1>able to share the whole? You like? Does it allow

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<v Speaker 1>you the opportunity because listening to your show is very open. Guys,

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<v Speaker 1>got to check it out. It was very open. It

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<v Speaker 1>was very like a whole you very educational, Okay, because

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know any of the stuff you were talking

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<v Speaker 1>about and it kind of scared me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's it's I mean, is it is scary until

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<v Speaker 3>you learn, until you learn about your body and what

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<v Speaker 3>it's going through and all the things that can help

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<v Speaker 3>you manage the symptoms. I mean, when I started perimenopause,

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<v Speaker 3>and we'll get back to that what you were originally

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<v Speaker 3>asking when I started.

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<v Speaker 1>Perimenopause versus where I am now.

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<v Speaker 3>It is so much more manageable where I am now

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<v Speaker 3>because I started what's called HRT hormone replacement therapy, and

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<v Speaker 3>most doctors who have any kind of education on menopause

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<v Speaker 3>will tell you that the earlier that you start hormone replacement.

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<v Speaker 1>Therapy, the better off you will be.

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<v Speaker 3>There's women that I know that are in their fifties

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<v Speaker 3>that have never done it before, and like they have

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<v Speaker 3>really severe symptoms and the synth.

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<v Speaker 2>There's so many symptoms. Oh my god, it's like crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>I see women talk about it like in offices, but

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<v Speaker 1>the light usually show me off like you don't understand.

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<v Speaker 1>Holy just you're not there yet, and I'm like, okay, whatever,

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<v Speaker 1>just remember I'm forty guys.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean well, the strangest symptoms are things like tonight's

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<v Speaker 3>seeing things out of the corner of your eye that

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<v Speaker 3>aren't really there, hives, you know, dry skin, losing your hair,

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<v Speaker 3>brittle nails, ocular issues like you know, eyesight issues, Like,

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<v Speaker 3>there's so many symptoms.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone's just like, oh, menopause, hot flashes. I've never had one.

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<v Speaker 3>I had night sweats, which is different, but within the

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<v Speaker 3>realm of the same thing. You know, it's basically your

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<v Speaker 3>body's inability to regulate its temperature. This is just some

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<v Speaker 3>of the stuff. Basically what menopause is. It is less

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<v Speaker 3>a gynecological transitional phase in a woman's life and it's

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<v Speaker 3>more cognitive. Seventy five to eighty percent of the symptoms

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<v Speaker 3>that you will experience happen up here, and this is

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<v Speaker 3>the thing that makes you feel like you're going fucking

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<v Speaker 3>crazy because it is cognitive.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, so.

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<v Speaker 3>Sorry that it sounds scary, but there is definitely ways

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<v Speaker 3>to make it easier and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But like, you know, just kind.

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<v Speaker 3>Of podcasting does allow me to reintroduce myself, but I

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<v Speaker 3>feel like I'm constantly reintroducing myself, you know, like the

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<v Speaker 3>conversation about music videos. It comes up in every single interview.

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<v Speaker 1>That I do. And some people are like, isn't she

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<v Speaker 1>tired of talking about it?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, it depends on which angle we come at

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<v Speaker 3>it from. But there are sometimes where I'm just like,

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<v Speaker 3>can we focus just on this because I feel like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, be careful how you introduce yourself to the world,

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<v Speaker 3>because it'll never let you forget it kind of thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like that's that's my cross to bear, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>And like I said, well, I think you're wearing it well,

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<v Speaker 1>like you're you're even listening to hot and unbothered. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's like you're a very pro woman's cham. I think

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<v Speaker 1>women need to ack knowledge that more than anything. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think we know that, yeah from you. I think

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<v Speaker 1>if anything is and I don't even know if men

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<v Speaker 1>shade like that, but I feel like, more like even

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<v Speaker 1>hearing that this consultant came in a room, I'm guessing

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<v Speaker 1>he was a guy. Yes, maybe Yes, it seems like

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<v Speaker 1>the guys are maybe hating because everything that you stand

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<v Speaker 1>for seems to be pro woman and pro unity with

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<v Speaker 1>women and owning ourselves and with.

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<v Speaker 3>A real focus on health, wellness and mental health.

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<v Speaker 1>That that's my lane.

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<v Speaker 2>That is where I thrive.

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<v Speaker 3>That is where I am a conduit, and I use

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<v Speaker 3>my experiences and I use my storytelling abilities to make

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<v Speaker 3>people see feel seen.

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<v Speaker 1>And heard and represented. That's why I'm here. That feels

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<v Speaker 1>like very purposeful for me.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, So the hate will come from all directions,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I'm saying. Like, you know, I've been

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<v Speaker 3>accused of not being a girl's girl. I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>what the fuck does that even mean? Like, look, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>there's gonna be females out here that don't like me,

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<v Speaker 3>trust and believe, I can name quite a few that

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<v Speaker 3>I don't fucking like either. But that doesn't mean that

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<v Speaker 3>I don't care about women's issues. That doesn't mean that

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to educate women on you know, young

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<v Speaker 3>women on what's coming down the pipeline, so they don't

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<v Speaker 3>have to suffer like the fuck like I had to

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<v Speaker 3>suffer and my girlfriends had to where we had to

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<v Speaker 3>biohack our bodies to figure out what the's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying, Well, what do you want

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<v Speaker 1>your listeners to gain from hoh and unbothered?

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<v Speaker 3>It's informative, it is compelling content. I'm going to have

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<v Speaker 3>medical doctors and experts, but I'm also going to have

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to have story, like, you know, stories of

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<v Speaker 3>just like just real people. Like one episode that I

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<v Speaker 3>want to do is with my girlfriend Nicole. She's this beautiful,

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<v Speaker 3>beautiful chocolate woman. She's just oh, she's just warmth, just

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<v Speaker 3>the you know, just this smile, this treasure cat smile.

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<v Speaker 3>And she's fifty two years old and she just had

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<v Speaker 3>her third open heart surgery.

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<v Speaker 1>But she's also a nurse.

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<v Speaker 3>And when I was at the hospital visiting her, I

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<v Speaker 3>had never seen anybody advocate for them selves the way

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<v Speaker 3>she knew how because she she could read her own

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<v Speaker 3>chart and say I'm not doing this, I'm not doing this.

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<v Speaker 3>And what that taught me was how much malpractice actually

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<v Speaker 3>happens in hospitals and scared the shit out of me.

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<v Speaker 1>And so I want her to come on.

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<v Speaker 3>This show to teach people how to advocate for themselves

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<v Speaker 3>when it comes to dealing with doctors and understanding doctors

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<v Speaker 3>are not God, even though some of them may think

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<v Speaker 3>that that's what I want to do. I want to

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<v Speaker 3>I want to, you know, create episodes that have stories

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<v Speaker 3>that people feel kind of run parallel to their own

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<v Speaker 3>lives and just you know, have this kind of sense

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<v Speaker 3>of of I don't know, symbiosis.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you know, I like that. I love the show.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to continue listening to it and maybe you

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<v Speaker 1>know email you now.

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<v Speaker 3>That I have that's like, ready, I do not have

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<v Speaker 3>a coke problem. I know, I keep scratching my note, but.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like I swear to God, allergy.

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<v Speaker 3>My allergy are kicking my fucking ass right now. And

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<v Speaker 3>it's probably because I think it's.

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<v Speaker 1>The Sirocha, but I don't want to know something. This

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<v Speaker 1>was amazing. I just want to thank you so much

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<v Speaker 1>for your time. I wanted you from a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, so it was great, Like it's just timing

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<v Speaker 1>it finally finally worked out. Thank you so much, and

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<v Speaker 1>this dish I know you said it's the broke man Sushi.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh maybe the broke Man's Chinese, but I think it

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<v Speaker 1>was absolutely terrific for all y'all out there. Easy quick

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<v Speaker 1>dish under a couple of bucks, fulfilling and tasty. And

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<v Speaker 1>I think, Melissa, you won't go home and hack this

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<v Speaker 1>at least once this week? I might, I might.

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<v Speaker 2>This is this is this is pretty fantastic. I forgot

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<v Speaker 2>all about this dish, but great.

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<v Speaker 1>Hat And thank you for being so transparent about your journey.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, of course, thank you for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, guys, and you could check out Melissa Ford

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<v Speaker 1>unbothered Hot and unbothered.

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<v Speaker 3>And bothered hot, and this is just bothered hot and

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<v Speaker 3>bothered with Melissa Ford on all your DSPs and on YouTube.

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<v Speaker 3>So just go to my Instagram page and click the

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<v Speaker 3>links and we'll bring it right there.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I think if we DM you enough, you'll

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<v Speaker 1>start selling those shirts.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, it's happening. It's happening. I'm hot, You're bothered exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Peace out, y'all. For more eating while broke from iHeartRadio

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<v Speaker 1>and The Black Effect, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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<v Speaker 1>or wherever you listen to your favorite shows,