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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, welcome to another episode of Eating While Broke.

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Speaker 1: I'm your host, Colleen Witt, and today we have a

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Speaker 1: very hot and bothered guest up in the building. Melissa

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Speaker 1: Ford is in the building. Who hoo do who who?

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Speaker 1: I'm excited wearing New York shout out to WEEZYWT have

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Speaker 1: studios for having us and allowing us to, please Jesus

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Speaker 1: not burn down the studio with our makeshift kitchen.

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Speaker 2: I promise I will not burn down the studio.

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Speaker 1: Yes, please, please don't.

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Speaker 3: Very very cognizant of the fact that this is you know,

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Speaker 3: and I told him, I said, if we burn it,

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Speaker 3: we'll pay for it.

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Speaker 1: And I was like, keep right, I pray we don't.

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Speaker 1: What are you gonna have us eating today?

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Speaker 3: Okay, So this is a dish that I call poor

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Speaker 3: man sushi. And I remember when I sent you like

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Speaker 3: the ingredients, you were like, what the fuck is this?

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Speaker 1: What is this? I love though that you were fast

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Speaker 1: with it. I was like, oh, her struggle was real, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it was. So. I've always been a jim rat.

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Speaker 3: I've all always been into, you know, physical fitness. I

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Speaker 3: started gymnastics when I was two years old. Shit, I

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Speaker 3: was in baby like Jack Butler's Baby School for swimming

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Speaker 3: when I was six months, Like, my parents like really

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Speaker 3: just like threw me back in.

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Speaker 1: You know, Oh okay, she was just swimming amniotic fluid.

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Speaker 1: You know, she'll be fine. Wow. So that's really young. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean like there's a lot of baby school,

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Speaker 3: you know, swimming schools for babies and stuff like that,

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Speaker 3: and they.

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Speaker 1: Just kind of like really take to water very quickly.

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Speaker 3: So my parents just kind of like put me in

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Speaker 3: that little situation.

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Speaker 1: This is really like cooking. Hold on, yo. That is

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Speaker 1: like I was thinking, you know, we got this shout

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Speaker 1: outs to Walmar, but we we did buy this and

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Speaker 1: it was like a fifteen dollars like a hot plate,

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Speaker 1: and I was thinking, I wonder if this thing's really

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Speaker 1: gonna work. This thing, this thing you can have this

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Speaker 1: in like a college dorm or something like that's official.

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Speaker 3: Yeah and so and so anyways, I was saying, how

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Speaker 3: I'm in. I've always been into physical fitness. So I

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Speaker 3: used to just kind of make this meal out of

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Speaker 3: like you know, can tuna fried up with a little

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Speaker 3: some you know, just kind of mixed vegetables and I

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Speaker 3: just would get my carbs and my protein in in

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Speaker 3: a really simple way. You know, food was fuel, you

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Speaker 3: know when I was in my super duper gym rat days.

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Speaker 3: Now you're lucky to I'm lucky if I see the

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Speaker 3: inside of a gym like three to four times a week.

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Speaker 3: When you hit your forties, ship really becomes very real

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Speaker 3: as to how you have to.

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Speaker 1: Stay stay on top of your.

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Speaker 3: Fitness regime and your regimen and your your dietary regimen.

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Speaker 1: Things have to change.

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Speaker 3: Alcohol can't be you know, just binging and shit like

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Speaker 3: that anymore, and you got to start lifting heavy.

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Speaker 1: Cardio out the window.

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Speaker 3: You can do a little bit of cardio, but mainly

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Speaker 3: as women especially, you have to focus on lifting heavy.

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Speaker 3: Why because we lose bone density as we get older, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, before before before we get into scaring me away

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Speaker 1: from growing older. You know, It's funny because I listened

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Speaker 1: to Hot and Bothered and I don't want to detour,

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Speaker 1: but I called I definitely called Dori and was like, yo,

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if I'm feeling like what's

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Speaker 1: about to happen to me? I mean, I'm in the

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Speaker 1: did showcase like I have no idea. They definitely don't

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Speaker 1: I was also very scared because you're like, no, there

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Speaker 1: was not about to get real real quick.

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Speaker 3: There was a point in time like the medical industry

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Speaker 3: has not been kind to women, you know. And don't

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Speaker 3: done to black people and black women.

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Speaker 2: Okay, they basically used to experiment on our.

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Speaker 3: Bodies, but women in general, menopause was just not seen

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Speaker 3: That's literally the message that was given to us. And

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Speaker 3: what boggles my mind is that this has the potential

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Speaker 1: I have in the last.

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Speaker 3: Six years since I started perimenopause, I have seen more

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Speaker 3: than I have in my entire life. Tenfold. I was

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Speaker 3: I've been I've been an.

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Speaker 2: Extremely healthy person my whole life.

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Speaker 3: You know, Thank God, I'm not somebody who suffered from

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Speaker 3: indiby triosis, Pico's fibroids, all horrible things that some of

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Speaker 1: But I had like wicked cramps, I've had.

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Speaker 3: I've had a miscarriage, I've had I've had I've had

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Speaker 3: stuff happen, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, but relatively, I've been very, very healthy. Well, take

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Speaker 1: me back to before we get into yeah, scaring our.

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Speaker 1: If you guys want to hear more about menopause and

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Speaker 1: ed and all that, you need to check out Hot

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Speaker 1: and Bothered. But before we get into that, let's get

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Speaker 1: back to get a closer look at Melissa Ford, because

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Speaker 1: you know, I don't think we really got to know

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Speaker 1: who you are, and I think just telling us, like,

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Speaker 1: take us back to what exactly was going on during

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Speaker 1: the making of this dish.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so the making of this dish.

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Speaker 1: Get it?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there we go, the making of this dish.

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Speaker 1: I had just moved to New York.

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Speaker 3: I was living in Stuyvesant Heights, this Bedstye, which is

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Speaker 3: really funny because when I was fifteen years old, I

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Speaker 3: had a premonition that I was going to live in Bedsty.

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Speaker 3: And this is before I even knew that New York

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Speaker 1: Hold, I'm going to hold that off. But you're originally

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Speaker 3: So I had this premonition when I was fifteen that

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Speaker 3: where the fuck is Bedsty? What is bedstide?

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Speaker 1: I didn't even know. I didn't understand. But so when

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Speaker 3: In Bedsty, like literally Bainbridge and Stuyvesant in the thick

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Speaker 3: I am. I am an illegal alien from Canada. I

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Speaker 3: no job, I have no nothing, And how are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm twenty one years old. I've put school on hold

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Speaker 3: in Canada. I was studying forensic psychology University because I

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Speaker 2: So here I am in New York. I'm living in

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Speaker 3: How did I get an apartment with no credit, no

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Speaker 1: I was working in a club. The owner.

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Speaker 3: The owner had a little bit of a crush on me,

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Speaker 3: and that is putting it lightly.

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Speaker 1: One day, he you.

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Speaker 3: Know, calls me into his office and just you know,

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Speaker 2: I was living with a girlfriend at the time, and he.

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Speaker 3: Basically said that he would get me a condo just

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Speaker 3: as long as I let him come by and watch

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Speaker 1: That was the deal. How old was this dude? He

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Speaker 1: was like fifty five? What did you say?

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Speaker 2: I said, You've got to be fucking kidding me.

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Speaker 3: There's no you like ew ew you don't get to

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Speaker 1: No, I was, I know, but it has you end

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Speaker 2: Realtor this a focus Okay, he was shady.

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Speaker 1: So you actually said that, like, oh, hen I was

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Speaker 1: it rent free. I know. Did he have to be

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Speaker 2: Do you know how many of my girlfriends asked the

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Speaker 2: exact same questions.

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Speaker 1: They were like, wait, bit what like? What was the

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Speaker 3: It was a hard pass and I was like yes

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Speaker 1: But there wasn't like record. It was just like he

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Speaker 3: This is two thousands to make sure if a good deal. Okay, listen,

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Speaker 2: Okay, So he said, okay, so hyper independent.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to do this on my own. So he was,

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Speaker 3: It was bartender? Okay, So this is how I ended

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Speaker 1: This nigga kid got me too basically like back then

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Speaker 3: Was so interesting. Okay, but anyways, we're jumping ahead. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: So guys, just for our listeners, she just heated up

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Speaker 1: the tuna in a pan and seasoned it. Yes, I

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Speaker 3: So I'm going to put this back in once I

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Speaker 1: So we got to know you were probably using like

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Speaker 1: I absolutely hate peace. I was like, oh, hell no,

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Speaker 2: It's okay, it's okay, we'll handle this broccoli.

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Speaker 1: So this guy is, oh, this guy, you tell him no.

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Speaker 1: I tell him no.

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Speaker 3: So he is like, he's so he hooks me up

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Speaker 3: with his realtor another shady motherfucker. Right, So he brings

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Speaker 3: me to he shows me this apartment because I tell

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Speaker 3: him what my price.

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Speaker 2: My hole, what do you call that? What my range is?

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Speaker 2: It was six hundred to eight hundred dollars a month.

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Speaker 1: That's yeah, back then, back then.

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Speaker 2: It's just wild to think about back then.

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Speaker 3: So he shows me this apartment at it was at

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Speaker 3: like Classen and Washington, if I'm not mistaken, if that

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Speaker 1: Did not look the way that it looks now. It's

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Speaker 3: Now, okay, there's a lot of white people with strollers

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Speaker 3: and shit, that is not the way that it looked

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Speaker 3: back then. And I'm so like, I'm just still so

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Speaker 3: She called me up and she was like, the apartments

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Speaker 3: She came and saw me like we would like have

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Speaker 2: And I didn't really know what to kind of like

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Speaker 1: Did you ever ask her what her birthday was or

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Speaker 3: Well the no, because that wasn't my thing, you know,

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Speaker 2: But I'm trying not to like fucking have this lying.

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Speaker 1: It's like, why is it so hard? Yeah? I should

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna break it up in the bag for her, Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because those little rice things are savage. Can you can

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Speaker 1: after you know, you got settled into New York, what

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Speaker 3: So I'm still doing music videos at this time, Like

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Speaker 1: Done this is before twenty one. This is this is.

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Speaker 3: Basically the year before. Oh no, actually it's like the

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Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, And what are your parents saying like during

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Speaker 2: My dad has passed away.

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Speaker 3: He passed away when I was fifteen years old, almost sixteen,

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Speaker 3: How am I going to make money? You're illegal, you're

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Speaker 3: I know exactly what was happening my life. I had

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Speaker 3: So I became like amuse of his. His profile started

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, but doesn't it look like Chinese? Now

442
00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,399
Speaker 1: kind of does a little bit? You told me I

443
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,080
Speaker 1: come up with a name. No, no, I like it.

444
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,119
Speaker 1: I like it, but for all our listeners, I mean,

445
00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 1: this looks pretty pretty fancy.

446
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,920
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, listen, I almost said, let's make

447
00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:59,359
Speaker 3: some biscuits, you know, biscuits with like cranberries in it,

448
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,160
Speaker 3: with the cunch trusting sweet taste of cranberries.

449
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:05,680
Speaker 1: It looks good. I mean, I'm trump I'm doing. I

450
00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,360
Speaker 1: haven't made this. It's so long, but I can't wait

451
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,000
Speaker 1: to see you eat and see if it like brings

452
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:13,400
Speaker 1: you all the way back, like wow, it might.

453
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:18,080
Speaker 3: But so the intersectionality of like of like the two

454
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:21,880
Speaker 3: versions of Melissa was I started doing these music videos

455
00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:25,879
Speaker 3: and even though I just really had my head on straight,

456
00:22:25,960 --> 00:22:29,200
Speaker 3: like okay, it's just another source of revenue temporarily right now,

457
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,400
Speaker 3: and it's it's fun.

458
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:33,800
Speaker 1: Is it a lot of revenue for your age at

459
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:37,679
Speaker 1: that time? Yeah, And it's American money.

460
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:42,920
Speaker 3: So the you know the difference in American money versus

461
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,919
Speaker 3: like that, what is that called, like Shane shank you jesus.

462
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 3: I mean, I can talk about ubiquitous melancholy this day,

463
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 3: but it was.

464
00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,320
Speaker 1: You said some words out there and I was like,

465
00:22:54,560 --> 00:22:55,359
Speaker 1: I'm similess.

466
00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,439
Speaker 3: Shit, I'm like, wait, you know that thing when the

467
00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,959
Speaker 3: money is worth more than another person.

468
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 1: Yeah.

469
00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 3: So anyways, sometimes I will have like a brain fart.

470
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 2: I just blame everything on Perry menopause these days.

471
00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 3: Just oh, I don't remember. I forgot when this got

472
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:26,200
Speaker 3: my head. It's Perry menopause. So I uh, that's why

473
00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,679
Speaker 3: the money was so good because the exchange rate was

474
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:33,760
Speaker 3: like crazy, like American dollar to Canadian dollar was so

475
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,520
Speaker 3: high that it was almost like double.

476
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:39,679
Speaker 1: And you got you were going to going to college

477
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 1: while the video. So your mom, well she like seriously

478
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 1: sent my freaking out a little bit.

479
00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:48,600
Speaker 3: No, my mom did not. My mom did not force

480
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,080
Speaker 3: me to do anything ever. Ever, ever, like if I

481
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:53,119
Speaker 3: wanted to quit something, all right, quit she didn't give

482
00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 3: a shit, Like I shouldn't say that my mom didn't

483
00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 3: give a ship. My mom ended up being a single

484
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,959
Speaker 3: mother when my father died, and she had an enormous

485
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 3: amount of debt and she was in perimenopause.

486
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 1: She had so much shit on her plate. The on

487
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:07,920
Speaker 1: what did she She.

488
00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,440
Speaker 3: Was also dealing with a sixteen year old county daughter,

489
00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, So, like I could be honest,

490
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,439
Speaker 3: like teenage girls are probably hell on.

491
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 1: Earth to deal with, if you don't mind me asking, Like,

492
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:22,239
Speaker 1: what happened to your father? Like he was he just

493
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 1: he was older than my mom.

494
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,480
Speaker 3: There was a twenty one year age difference between the two,

495
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 3: so you know when he died, he was like sixty

496
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 3: one sixty two, which now very very yeah young, but

497
00:24:31,800 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, men don't really take care of themselves.

498
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I'm just saying, was like a surprise.

499
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 3: No, he had been, he'd been, he had had illnesses

500
00:24:40,560 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 3: over the course of the last five years.

501
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,679
Speaker 1: His death was still a shock to me. I was

502
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:45,840
Speaker 1: not ready for that.

503
00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 3: But I mean because I was fifteen year old girl,

504
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 3: and to me, that was like my superhero.

505
00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 1: Nothing was ever going to really happen to him.

506
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 3: It was you know, he was always going to get

507
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 3: past whatever his current ailment was.

508
00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 2: And no, that's not what ended up happening.

509
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 1: And your dad is black or white? My dad's black, O,

510
00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:08,560
Speaker 1: your mom's white. Oh yeah.

511
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 3: So by the time, so this whole intersectionality thing. When

512
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:16,880
Speaker 3: I'm doing music videos and the popularity is gaining, then

513
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 3: a pivotal thing happens.

514
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 2: When I do the Thong song remix video.

515
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:27,199
Speaker 3: I'm on. Cisco asks me to go on tour and

516
00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:29,919
Speaker 3: I was like, okay, I could come for like a

517
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 3: couple of weeks. He was like, no, if you come here,

518
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 3: coming for the whole thing, it's a few months and

519
00:25:34,480 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 3: in Sync is the headliner. And I'm not really understanding

520
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 3: what he's talking about because.

521
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 1: I'm not a dancer.

522
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 3: If anybody sees my music videos, I'm not fucking dancing, Okay,

523
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 3: Like the New York Times wrote an article on me,

524
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 3: like how to succeed in music videos without actually dancing?

525
00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 3: What the fuck you know? I was like, I'm here

526
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 3: to give good face. I give good body presence.

527
00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 1: That's me.

528
00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,239
Speaker 3: So I'm the girlfriend, I'm the wife. I'm that, but

529
00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 3: don't don't give me any choreography.

530
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,399
Speaker 1: But he was gonna pay you to do this. Oh yeah,

531
00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: this was a gig. Gig.

532
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 3: This was like, this was not be my girl. It

533
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,639
Speaker 3: was like, no, you're coming to work.

534
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,200
Speaker 1: So I took it. He was like, don't worry.

535
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 2: It's not hard choreography. It's very gimmicky.

536
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 3: He was like, I want to lead girls, four lead

537
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 3: four backup dancers, and you're gonna be called the six pack.

538
00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:26,440
Speaker 1: And I was like whatever. So I called up my jobs.

539
00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 1: School was on.

540
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,199
Speaker 3: Break or like on summer break, and I was just like, uh,

541
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 3: I called it my job. So I was like, would

542
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 3: you hold a position for me because I'm just gonna

543
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 3: I'll be right back tour with like you know, in Sync,

544
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 3: the biggest the entire world right now, and Cisco and oh,

545
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 3: Pink is the you know, the starting act and this

546
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:45,160
Speaker 3: is Pink was the.

547
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 1: Starting act and before it was you know this pink.

548
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:52,000
Speaker 3: Well yeah, it was like when she was doing R

549
00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 3: and B and she was like it was a bullshit, that.

550
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:58,880
Speaker 1: Was not her jam. Yeah we see why now yeah.

551
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:05,719
Speaker 3: And so so I go on tour and I just

552
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:12,160
Speaker 3: saw and experienced so much that when I got back

553
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,480
Speaker 3: to Toronto, the rose colored lenses were off and this

554
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 3: shit looked like a dusty ass po dunk town.

555
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:19,479
Speaker 2: I was like, I got to get the fuck out

556
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 2: of here. I can't live here.

557
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: I just have seen the world. I just saw so much.

558
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 3: I just I become a different version of myself. And

559
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 3: I didn't anticipate that happening. There's no way that you

560
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:34,439
Speaker 3: could know that that's going to happen. Yeah, And so

561
00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 3: when I got back home, I was so unhappy because

562
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 3: I just I'd already seen It's like I got.

563
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:45,360
Speaker 1: Bitten, yeah, you know, by you bit the apple. Yeah

564
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: that was what it got, bit by a bug or

565
00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:50,520
Speaker 1: whatever it is. It's something. Yeah. I just was like

566
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: I couldn't go backwards. Yeah.

567
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 3: And I was like, if I don't pursue this now

568
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 3: at my young age, I'll always want under what if?

569
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,119
Speaker 1: And when you say pursue this, what was that pursuit?

570
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,280
Speaker 1: I didn't even know what the pursuit was. Just just

571
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: just need to get out just.

572
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 3: The attention, the attention that I had started to you

573
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 3: know that and and the and the requests, like you know,

574
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 3: it's it went from just ex hiring me for gigs

575
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:20,119
Speaker 3: to Hype Williams and you know all the other video

576
00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:21,480
Speaker 3: directors requesting.

577
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 1: And are you managing yourself or is there managers starting

578
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 1: to get.

579
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 3: Managing this ship? There's no management. I'm a video girl,

580
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 3: like there's this is not a career.

581
00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:31,399
Speaker 1: But you're getting a lot of calls at this point,

582
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,160
Speaker 1: So do you start figuring out or is anybody reaching

583
00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,520
Speaker 1: out to say, hey, maybe we can manage.

584
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:40,480
Speaker 3: No, because nobody really looked at video modeling as an

585
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 3: actual career.

586
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: Like the only person.

587
00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 3: That I could act, that I could say looked at

588
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:52,800
Speaker 3: this as like a viable career option that can lead

589
00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 3: to other things is this woman named LASHAWNA Stanley who

590
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 3: had a company called Ethnicity Models based out in Miami.

591
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 3: And I don't meet her for another maybe year or

592
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 3: two after I've gotten to the States. But she became

593
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 3: very pivotal in me being able to get my first

594
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 3: visa and then my second visa to now where I'm

595
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 3: legitimately allowed to live and work in the US. And

596
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 3: so I don't even meet her for the first like

597
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 3: year and a half two years of me being there.

598
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 3: So I'm like Bobbin and weaven customs.

599
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: I can't go home.

600
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 3: If anybody from home wants to see me, you got

601
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:28,640
Speaker 3: to come see me. Because the minute I try and

602
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:30,680
Speaker 3: get on a plane and go through customs, they're going

603
00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 3: to be like, where's your I'm going to get thrown

604
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:35,719
Speaker 3: into secondary.

605
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 2: I risk being banned from the US for.

606
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: Years, maybe forever finds. It was a little perilous. Now,

607
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 1: what was your mom? Singer and all of us, She.

608
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 3: Wasn't saying anything because she was trying to pay the

609
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,239
Speaker 3: mortgage and keep food on the table. So she just

610
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 3: her mentality was very much like Melissa's gonna do whatever

611
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 3: Melissa's going to do. Like that's just it, Like there's

612
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 3: nothing that you can say or do to try to sway.

613
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: Her either way.

614
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 3: You strong minded of ext scorpio, extraordinarily strong.

615
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:13,520
Speaker 1: And my mom is Eastern European.

616
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 3: She's you know, Norwegian and Russian, and you know, if

617
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 3: you know anything about this type of people, they're very

618
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 3: stoic and they're not the most like you know, she

619
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 3: was not the most loquacious person.

620
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: She was big words, okay, she was quiet as fuck.

621
00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:33,920
Speaker 1: Okay. You know, she had her little tiny circle of friends.

622
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 3: She had a little atter hobbies like book club and

623
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 3: aqua fit, you know, stuff like that. She volunteered like

624
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 3: animal shelter, She had a book like library card.

625
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: But my mom was a very simple woman.

626
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 3: So like the things that I was doing were so

627
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 3: out of the realm of her conceptualizing what.

628
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,280
Speaker 1: It meant that she was like, oh, okay.

629
00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 3: So like when I started appearing on the covers of

630
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 3: magazines at her job, like the store, her job.

631
00:31:02,920 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 1: And there's like.

632
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 3: And there's like young male employees who are like, yo,

633
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 3: that's Melissa Ford's mom.

634
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 1: She would just be like she was so funny. Was

635
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: she embarrassed? Was she proud? No, she was an embarrassed

636
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 1: at all. She was proud. She was proud.

637
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,960
Speaker 3: She was not so proud, but she was also very.

638
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 1: She was just she was always just so just. It's

639
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 1: not like she beamed with pride, okay, but I literally

640
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: I level headed about it, extraordinarily level and head like.

641
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 3: She didn't come in with issues like, you know, copies

642
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 3: of issues of the latest magazine I was on.

643
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 1: Okay, all my friends want like autography. Never did that ship,

644
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: you know. So but you knew she was proud and

645
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 1: it seems like she did a good job when not,

646
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: I guess, Taylor, what are you like stiphening your just

647
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,760
Speaker 1: kind of letting you. But it's weird though, because you

648
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: did say that, like there was a point where you

649
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: questioned whether she loved you from not being so on.

650
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 3: You Yeah, because I mean, you know gen xers will

651
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 3: understand we had to parent ourselves. We're the generation that

652
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 3: our parents put a key around our next, like put

653
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 3: a string and a key around our next And they

654
00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 3: were like, this is how you go home on public transportation.

655
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 1: I'm eight years old, you.

656
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 3: Know what I'm saying, But like this was this was

657
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 3: what it was like. And when you get home, don't

658
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,760
Speaker 3: burn down the fucking house. Make yourself something to eat.

659
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 3: So you're learning how to cook at seven and eight

660
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,840
Speaker 3: and nine years old, and you're learning what areas of

661
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,200
Speaker 3: the house you stay the fuck away from, what friends

662
00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 3: are allowed to come over for versus who's not to you.

663
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 2: You understand how to answer the door, and some like.

664
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 3: We had to really really learn how to parent ourselves

665
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 3: and look out for ourselves.

666
00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: They had to put fucking commercials saying it's ten o'clock,

667
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:57,600
Speaker 1: do you know where your children are? Remember? I remember that?

668
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 3: So so this was like it's so my mom was

669
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 3: just you know, she was part of like you know

670
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:07,080
Speaker 3: that that female workforce that where it was like, you know,

671
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 3: both parents are out working. There was My father literally

672
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 3: said to me one day where I was like.

673
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: Where are you going?

674
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 3: He was like, I'm going out, like to work, I

675
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 3: guess or whatever. I was like, who's gonna look after me?

676
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 1: The dogs will look after you? Gets this is why

677
00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:32,479
Speaker 1: we got them. He sounds like a Jamaican he's baising,

678
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: he was, you know, but he was just like, the

679
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: animals will take care of Yeah, you hear them Mark,

680
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: you know, to look you know what I'm saying.

681
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 3: But no, he wasn't West Indian to the point where

682
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 3: we kept our dogs outside. They were inside dogs. Everybody

683
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 3: was inside. So that's another thing that my parents did.

684
00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 3: They never really said no to any animal that I

685
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 3: wanted because they knew and probably had a significant amount

686
00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 3: of guilt knowing that, you know, you're leaving your child

687
00:33:57,960 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 3: home to spend.

688
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: For herself and your only child.

689
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 3: And I'm an only well I have I have stepbrothers

690
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 3: and sisters, like half brothers and sisters, but I was

691
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 3: raised like an only child.

692
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: I was the only child in the house. Okay, yeah, okay, yeah,

693
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: so you know this this was basically how I grew up.

694
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,280
Speaker 3: So it's just I don't think that after a while

695
00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 3: my mom felt like she even had the position to

696
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 3: try to parent.

697
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,439
Speaker 1: Me, which is really that makes sense.

698
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would have loved to have been able because

699
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 3: my mom's passed, and I would have loved to have

700
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,319
Speaker 3: been able to have these kinds of conversations with my

701
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:36,160
Speaker 3: mom about about this, like feelings that she had during

702
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 3: this stage of our lives. And also, Yo, how the

703
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 3: fuck was menopause for you, lady, because.

704
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: Well it seems like on your show you said that

705
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: she mentioned it to you in passing passing, Yes, in.

706
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 3: Passing, like it was just like, oh, by the way

707
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 3: I turned, I started menopause at forty two and I

708
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 3: was forty one, so it's probably gonna happen for you

709
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 3: around the same time.

710
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 2: What the fuck does that mean? What does that mean?

711
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: Yeah? And did you She didn't, So I didn't. I

712
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 1: didn't ask that.

713
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 3: Alone because I was recovering from a traumatic brain injury

714
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 3: at the time, so you know, forgive me my brain's bleeding.

715
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 3: Didn't really have like a whole load of questions to say, okay, hey,

716
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 3: to help me, what's this? Had navigation of this whole

717
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:18,839
Speaker 3: what is this?

718
00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: What is menopause? What the fuck is that?

719
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seemed like nobody knew because nobody wanted to

720
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 3: talk about it.

721
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 1: Again, we go back to the medical.

722
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 3: Industry and how much it ignores women after a certain age,

723
00:35:32,040 --> 00:35:32,479
Speaker 3: and just.

724
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,919
Speaker 1: I started seeing that, like halle Berry started coming out.

725
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 1: I saw social media clips and she was like, no

726
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: one's talking to women about these things they misdiagnosed, And

727
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: I was like, whoa, I'm going to tell you what's happening.

728
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 1: You want to know what's happening.

729
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:50,160
Speaker 3: Gen X Again, we're fed up with having to have

730
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 3: figured everything out.

731
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: So wait, hold on one second here.

732
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,560
Speaker 3: You wanted us to raise ourselves like we were like,

733
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,160
Speaker 3: you know, feral animals or something like that. You put

734
00:35:58,200 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 3: a key around our next, you put us on public transportation.

735
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 3: You tell us to get home safely without being kidnapped

736
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 3: and shit like that. Cook, but don't burn the fucking

737
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,879
Speaker 3: house down. Like we're like the forgotten generation that had

738
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 3: to like literally fend for ourselves every single We're the

739
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 3: Encyclopedia Britannica generation.

740
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: So there was no Google.

741
00:36:16,840 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 3: If you wanted to figure something out, shout out that

742
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 3: you had to find the volume.

743
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: But do you think that also is what is the

744
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: seed that makes you great. Oh yeah, it makes it

745
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: makes you hella. It gives you that perseverance. Right, It's

746
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 1: like a gift and curse.

747
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 3: Any anytime people think they got me backed into a

748
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:37,720
Speaker 3: fucking corner.

749
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:39,560
Speaker 1: Anytime people think that.

750
00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 3: They got me that they can count me out, you

751
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 3: got me fucked up my level of tenacity and resilience.

752
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 1: Y'all don't know.

753
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,759
Speaker 3: You don't know what I have had, what I have

754
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 3: had to do to survive. Everybody thinks, oh, there's a

755
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 3: pretty privileged element to your life, and no, I've had

756
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,279
Speaker 3: to claw my way through my entire fucking life. Yes,

757
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 3: pretty privilege has basically, you know, has been a factor

758
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 3: in some.

759
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 1: Ways, but not everything. But I was gonna say, now,

760
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 1: your rise to the sex success, your rise to success

761
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: is definitely wasn't straight. I would imagine being in this

762
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,440
Speaker 1: business for as long as you have, it had to

763
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: have been a roller coaster, right, like a up and down.

764
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: Let's talk about some of the lows.

765
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 3: The lows were that, you know, because you talk about management,

766
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 3: the lows were that.

767
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:34,880
Speaker 2: Nobody seemed to know what the fuck to do with me,

768
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like.

769
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 3: It just nobody seemed to know what to do with me,

770
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,000
Speaker 3: and I was listen, I was fucking winging it. I

771
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 3: went from being a music video model to appearing on

772
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 3: in magazines's features and then you know, the covers of

773
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 3: magazines and calendars and stuff like that. But I'm literally

774
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,879
Speaker 3: free floating through life. I don't know what the fuck

775
00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 3: I'm doing. I'm just I'm just landing.

776
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,760
Speaker 1: You're just feeling calls and taking.

777
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's literally it. I'm just I'm hoping that I'm

778
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 3: making the right decision. But I don't know. I have

779
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,239
Speaker 3: no sense of mentorship, I have no management. I have

780
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:11,080
Speaker 3: known nothing.

781
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: And then how are the men in the industry, like

782
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,920
Speaker 1: behind the scenes where you did you have to be

783
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: like tomboy mixed with sexy, Like how did you have

784
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: to manage that whole? No?

785
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:24,879
Speaker 3: And what's interesting about that question is, you know, when

786
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:30,120
Speaker 3: I did Angie Martine's show IRL with Angie Martinez, we

787
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 3: talked about the different ways in which we had to approach,

788
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 3: you know, our careers, and she did what you just described, like,

789
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 3: you know, she had that you know, covered up and

790
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 3: had to you know, how to kind of like you know,

791
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 3: really kind of portray like that.

792
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,760
Speaker 1: Tomboy slash b I t H. Yeah.

793
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,479
Speaker 3: You know, just there's there's different ways in which women

794
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:52,720
Speaker 3: had to survive in this business.

795
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:58,920
Speaker 1: And with me, you know, I kind of was. I

796
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 1: was very My image was very sensual.

797
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,359
Speaker 3: You know, some might say hyper sexual, but I won't

798
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 3: agree with that. I was very you know, Pam Anderson,

799
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 3: Marilyn Monroe. Yeah, that was the pin up girl, you know,

800
00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 3: and I was very clear on that. But the ways

801
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,440
Speaker 3: that I protected myself was I insulated my when it

802
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,800
Speaker 3: came to the videos. I insulated myself with the higher ups,

803
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 3: so director, producers, agents and whatnot. I didn't, you know,

804
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 3: hang out with the artists. I didn't cross boundaries and

805
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 3: I did not do blurred lines at all.

806
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: So like once they called cut, if an artist was

807
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: like flirting with you, You're like all right by like

808
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 1: kind of how Janet Jackson like cut the number after

809
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: the poetic justice yes type shoot you were like yeah, great.

810
00:39:48,080 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 3: Deuces Like I'm not I'm not I'm not okay, I'm cool,

811
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:53,800
Speaker 3: I'm not that cool.

812
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: I'm not that cool.

813
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:58,320
Speaker 3: Where I'm going to I don't want the blurred lines

814
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:01,479
Speaker 3: because that's not why I I'm here. I'm here for

815
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:03,919
Speaker 3: an honest day's work for an honest day's pay.

816
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 1: That's what I'm here for.

817
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 3: So that was the That was one of the ways

818
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 3: that like I kind of protected myself and another way

819
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,200
Speaker 3: that I would kind of protect myself.

820
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,400
Speaker 1: I'm real big into like nonverbal.

821
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 3: Communication, so you know, I guess people would expect me

822
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,799
Speaker 3: to just be that like that, that super vixen all

823
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 3: the time, And I wasn't that super vixen all the

824
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 3: time on my own time.

825
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 2: Regularly, I'm very jeans.

826
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:27,800
Speaker 1: And T shirt.

827
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:30,960
Speaker 3: I'm very I'm walking around my house in like a sweatsuit,

828
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:32,880
Speaker 3: you know, sweatpants and a T shirt.

829
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 1: Like I'm not.

830
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:36,799
Speaker 3: I'm not overtly sexual all the time. That shit would

831
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 3: be exhausting.

832
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 1: But how did the Cisco deal come about if you

833
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: were keeping those lines like hell a strict like that.

834
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 3: Well, because I was the lead in the Glory, Valles

835
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,440
Speaker 3: and I were the two leads, so my I was

836
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,759
Speaker 3: the first half of the video and that video, that

837
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 3: part of the video was shot in Druid Hill Park

838
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 3: in Baltimore, and so it was just us. There really

839
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,560
Speaker 3: was no other so it was just us. So we

840
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:03,799
Speaker 3: had to spend a lot of time together. So even

841
00:41:03,800 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 3: when they yelled cut. We were like mounted on this

842
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,879
Speaker 3: motorcycle and this dolly that was on a truck, so

843
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 3: we couldn't go anywhere. We were literally fixed into that

844
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,480
Speaker 3: shit and we'd be there for hours and hours and

845
00:41:20,520 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 3: hours and hours. And so this was over the course

846
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 3: of like two days or something like that, and then

847
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 3: it went to we flew to la and that's where

848
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 3: the rest of the video takes place. And so by

849
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 3: that time we just kind of like developed like a

850
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 3: cool report and Cisco was very respectful, like he wasn't like,

851
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 3: you know, just trying to He just wasn't that guy, yeah,

852
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 3: to try and like to try you. He just wasn't

853
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 3: that guy. He just was very friendly and very nice

854
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 3: and that was it. And so you asked me. He

855
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 3: was like looked at me and Gloria, he was like,

856
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 3: I want you to to be the leads in my

857
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:57,279
Speaker 3: on on tour with me.

858
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that was what he did it right there.

859
00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: He was like try to he talked to.

860
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 3: He talked to us at different times, but basically he

861
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 3: asked me when we were still in Baltimore, Like he

862
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,680
Speaker 3: made that decision really quickly because he knew tour was happening.

863
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,239
Speaker 3: Very very fast. It was like within the next two weeks.

864
00:42:12,440 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 3: So he had to make a decision, and he was

865
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 3: making decisions and he I don't know if he got

866
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 3: the idea for the six pack right then and there,

867
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 3: or if he'd been formulating the idea and he was like, oh,

868
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 3: she's the one, and then up she's the one, and

869
00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 3: then filled out the back with the other four girls.

870
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: I've crossed pass with him like a way back. He

871
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 1: seems very legit. Yeah, he seemed very He's look at this,

872
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna try this, poor mance sushi. I think it

873
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 1: looks like Chinese. It does kind of look like it.

874
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: It looks really good.

875
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,680
Speaker 2: It looks it does look a little bit like Chinese.

876
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 3: But yeah, this was this was in a pinch or

877
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 3: I didn't really have a whole lot of, you know, money.

878
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 1: So when the there also switched this up with like

879
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: Han Salmon as well, Oh yeah, I feel like we

880
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: had Can Salmon on the show before, and it like

881
00:43:03,120 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 1: stuck up.

882
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,200
Speaker 2: Our whole set.

883
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, you're giving me all this And

884
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's because you're watching your figures

885
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:15,359
Speaker 1: and I was trying to like even it out. Look

886
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 1: this looks good. Guys, can the camera see this? I

887
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 1: don't know see that? Can you see that? I don't

888
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:24,399
Speaker 1: know if they can see it. They can, I'm gonna

889
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,759
Speaker 1: go ahead and try this. Here we go into the

890
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: I feel like you could stay okay. I was scared

891
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: about the sarachi and not that bad. It's no strong

892
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: you do season she does season her food really well.

893
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 1: That's a black side. Mammm hmm. It's good. I have

894
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: had this in so long. This is pretty damn good.

895
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: Thank you. This is really good. I am kind of

896
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: loving this. I gotta go back to making this ship.

897
00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 1: You know what. There are dishes on this show where

898
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 1: it's so good that I go home and I made

899
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:07,919
Speaker 1: it for like a week.

900
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, this is this is really good.

901
00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:16,160
Speaker 1: You seasoned it well. SCRATCHI is hot, but well I

902
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: don't really eat a lot of spice.

903
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 3: Book either, do I. That's the white side of me.

904
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 3: They can't really deal with spicy.

905
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 1: These vegetables work, Yeah, they work. It works, it works.

906
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: It did better than peace. Mm hmmm, it's good. I'm

907
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: impressed with this dish. So let's talk about like the

908
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 1: Because there was an air where video Vixen and all

909
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: that stuff was in. Then all of a sudden people started

910
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,280
Speaker 1: hating on it, and then it started to phase out.

911
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: Take me through what that journey was, because there was

912
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 1: a period where you did like a reality show in between.

913
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 3: No, the reality show didn't happen until like twenty thirteen.

914
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 2: You know, long story short about the music videos.

915
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 3: Really everything was just kind of like a casualty of piracy.

916
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 3: You know, the the record industry was just kind of

917
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 3: losing control of its product.

918
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 1: Illegal downloading and shit like that.

919
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 3: All the stuff that we take, Yeah, naps are all

920
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 3: the shit that we take for granted right now, just

921
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:33,280
Speaker 3: in terms of streaming.

922
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:33,600
Speaker 1: And stuff like this.

923
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 3: This was this was a this was a really big

924
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,680
Speaker 3: deal in record companies, you know, were hemorrhaging money. So

925
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 3: whereas music videos the budgets used to be. I mean

926
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 3: when I did Knock Yourself Out, that budget was like

927
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:54,280
Speaker 3: six hundred and fifty dollars. What Yeah, Thong song remix

928
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:57,240
Speaker 3: was like one point one. Big pimpin was one million.

929
00:45:57,400 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: There spend a lot of money. Oh yeah that and

930
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,000
Speaker 1: they definitely don't spend that now, No, they don't not

931
00:46:03,080 --> 00:46:08,759
Speaker 1: even close. That seems like outrageous now, but it was

932
00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: so normal back then I mean the whole thing, thank

933
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: you eating like hella unprofessional look on.

934
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was three hundred and fifty thousand, but that

935
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 3: was when it it had started to hit. But I

936
00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 3: mean it's usher and you know, Ludacris and loved John,

937
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:25,759
Speaker 3: So there was still a massive there was still a

938
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:26,959
Speaker 3: massive budget at the time.

939
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 1: But and so, you know, when.

940
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 3: Record companies had just you know, they they developed this

941
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 3: formula for the way music videos looked. It was a

942
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 3: lot of hot girls, It was a lot of pomp

943
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 3: and circumstance, you know, fancy cars and just money and

944
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 3: houses and pools and whatever else. So how do you

945
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:52,399
Speaker 3: create the same product with a minimum budget? So everything

946
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,760
Speaker 3: like quality control just kind of went out the fucking window.

947
00:46:56,080 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 3: And so they stopped casting models like me came with

948
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 3: an extraordinarily high price tag, and then they just started

949
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 3: going into you know, strip clubs or or just casting

950
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:12,239
Speaker 3: girls who were just so I don't want to use

951
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 3: the word thirsty, but it kind of applies. Just so

952
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,400
Speaker 3: they just really really wanted to do music videos.

953
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 1: They do it for free. They didn't give a shit.

954
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 3: Your quality control kind of goes out the window because

955
00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,080
Speaker 3: a lot of girls feel like, oh, well, in order

956
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,600
Speaker 3: for me to get that burn, get that camera time,

957
00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 3: I gotta be like like I'd be like real salacious

958
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,880
Speaker 3: about it. And so you know, I was very like,

959
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 3: I'm not wearing that. Don't fucking touch me. I'm not

960
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 3: doing that, and I'm not doing it for that Lowa price.

961
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,319
Speaker 3: I'm sure at that point you even when you're still

962
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:46,640
Speaker 3: you're paying my price, I'm still not wearing that.

963
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: I'm not doing that. Don't fucking touch me. Like that

964
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: was me.

965
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 3: They girls were like, you can stick your tongue down

966
00:47:53,719 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 3: my throat.

967
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: We just met whatever.

968
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 3: They'd be wearing, the littlest, tiniest things, they'd be twirking,

969
00:47:58,560 --> 00:47:59,320
Speaker 3: but just.

970
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 1: It was so it.

971
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:04,320
Speaker 3: It's like every video almost became and then also uncut

972
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 3: happened too.

973
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 1: Being uncut sounds like that after hours, right.

974
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but everybody was staying up for it.

975
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:12,680
Speaker 1: So it's just like so gone.

976
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 3: We're the days of like, you know, video models being like.

977
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: You know, the tasteful.

978
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're being like an element of taste to it

979
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 3: and then being casted actual models, and so people just

980
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 3: weren't able to tell the difference.

981
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 1: Do you feel like, yeah, do you feel like the

982
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 1: female videos are like getting more raw than the guy videos.

983
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,840
Speaker 1: Like sometimes I'll see some of these girl videos, I'm like, damn,

984
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:41,600
Speaker 1: the girls are doing the girls of this service at

985
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: this point.

986
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I mean I think that it's for a

987
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 3: completely different reason because I mean, like they are the

988
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 3: artists themselves, And to me, this is this generation has

989
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,960
Speaker 3: a has a different sense of agency over there and

990
00:48:58,080 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 3: ownership over their body and their self sexuality. They unabashedly,

991
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 3: unapologetically flaunt it without a sense of repercussion. They dare

992
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,319
Speaker 3: you to challenge them or to make them feel bad

993
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 3: about it. Yeah, you know, they're like they they're just

994
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 3: completely different than we were in a really good way.

995
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 1: You like it, I mean just just autonomy. I like autonomy.

996
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 3: This election and the war for control over women's bodies

997
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,600
Speaker 3: is that's the part of this, of this whole thing,

998
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 3: this country. The overturning of Roe versus Wade. That literally

999
00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 3: makes me so fucking upset and so sad and is

1000
00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 3: so triggering. So when I see women being unapologetically themselves

1001
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 3: and taking ownership of their sexuality, I can't do anything

1002
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,839
Speaker 3: but applaud that. And I'm not the one who's here

1003
00:49:50,880 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 3: to judge them based on what they do. I don't

1004
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 3: like every single thing that they do. There's some things

1005
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:56,279
Speaker 3: where I'm just like.

1006
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:58,480
Speaker 1: Oh girl, what the fuck? You know?

1007
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 3: But hey, that's you, you and your decision and the

1008
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 3: fact that you made that decision for yourself.

1009
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:10,640
Speaker 1: You know. Right, Let's talk about the pivot from where

1010
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 1: you were then to podcasting, because you've been in podcasting

1011
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: for over ten years now. Mm hmmm. So how did

1012
00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:18,920
Speaker 1: that pivot come into play? There's so much fucking in between,

1013
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 1: so much in between.

1014
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 3: You give me like the I'm going to give you

1015
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 3: the elevator, the elevator cliff notes. So when you asked, like,

1016
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,839
Speaker 3: you know, what was like the hardships and stuff like that,

1017
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 3: and the main thing being that I had no management,

1018
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 3: I had no mentorship. I was basically flying by the

1019
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 3: seat of my fucking pants. But I did make some

1020
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 3: good decisions. I always knew that music videos and you know,

1021
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 3: just kind of like getting having my image out there

1022
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 3: and acquiring like an enormous fan base. I could leverage

1023
00:50:55,480 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 3: that popularity with with wherever I was going. And my

1024
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:04,000
Speaker 3: next stop was to do television hosting, and so I

1025
00:51:04,040 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 3: started to solicit bet for several for any opportunity that

1026
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 3: they would give me to be on camera talent and.

1027
00:51:11,719 --> 00:51:14,600
Speaker 1: And you were making the calls I had. I you know,

1028
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:15,840
Speaker 1: I just through connections.

1029
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:18,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that, I developed a friendship with Big Tigger,

1030
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 3: and he was really instrumental in like introducing me to

1031
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 3: Stephen Hill, who was like, you know.

1032
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,839
Speaker 1: The the VP at the time. I want to say

1033
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:27,720
Speaker 1: a BT.

1034
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:33,880
Speaker 3: And so Stephen was like he gave me opportunities to

1035
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 3: you know, basically prove my metal, like you know, let's

1036
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:39,839
Speaker 3: see what you can do. And in two thousand and four,

1037
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 3: they hired me as on camera talent. I mean there

1038
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 3: was billboards and stuff like that, and you know, with

1039
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,400
Speaker 3: my picture and Free and AJ and Tigger, it was

1040
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 3: like wow. And so I had to fucking find a

1041
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:57,320
Speaker 3: lawyer to like, you know, kind of you know, negotiate

1042
00:51:57,360 --> 00:51:59,200
Speaker 3: my contract for me and stuff like that was a

1043
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:03,040
Speaker 3: fucking terrible contract, but whatever, I didn't care. It was

1044
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 3: it was a way to like kind of legitimize myself

1045
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 3: and kind of get me away from the whole image

1046
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,800
Speaker 3: of doing music videos. Even though I had no shame

1047
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,600
Speaker 3: in my participation in it. It was starting to like

1048
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,320
Speaker 3: get a little funky for the reasons that I described.

1049
00:52:18,360 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 1: And then when that book came out. Don't even get

1050
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,760
Speaker 1: me started on that. So wait, well book some Quessions

1051
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 1: of a Video Mix. Oh yeah.

1052
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:32,280
Speaker 3: So television television hosting opportunities opened up for me after

1053
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:33,640
Speaker 3: I got hired with BT.

1054
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,360
Speaker 1: You know, you just start meeting people.

1055
00:52:36,600 --> 00:52:39,799
Speaker 3: And they had a show called Mad Sports on there,

1056
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 3: and they were like, Melissa, We're gonna give you a

1057
00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 3: microphone and you are going out there to interview athletes

1058
00:52:46,080 --> 00:52:46,920
Speaker 3: because they love you.

1059
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: And I was like, okay, cool.

1060
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 3: And that just kind of put me in the path

1061
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 3: of really.

1062
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 1: Big decision makers.

1063
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 3: And one of those decision makers was this man named

1064
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 3: Michael Mant and he was like, the EP of this

1065
00:53:00,760 --> 00:53:03,600
Speaker 3: show called Jim Rome is burning a bunch of shows

1066
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,400
Speaker 3: on Pardon the interruption.

1067
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 2: These are very popular shows at the.

1068
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 1: Time on ESPN.

1069
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,279
Speaker 3: And so one day we had like, you know, just

1070
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:14,959
Speaker 3: like kind of an informal dinner and he was like, Mossa,

1071
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 3: what do you want to do? And I said, I

1072
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 3: want to host the sp nomination show. I knew, right,

1073
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 3: I knew exactly what I wanted. Okay, yes, And he

1074
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:26,759
Speaker 3: was like, my sister is the EP of the SP's I.

1075
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 1: Think that that can happen. And I was like, oh

1076
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:29,960
Speaker 1: my god.

1077
00:53:30,200 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 3: And then they called me like, I don't know, like

1078
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 3: a few weeks later and they said, yeah, you got

1079
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 3: the gig. You're going to be hosting the Emmy nomination

1080
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 3: show for the two thousand and six Emmys with Stuart Scott.

1081
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 3: Rest in peace. One of the most incredible humans to

1082
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:51,280
Speaker 3: ever walk this earth, Stuart Scott. I mean, I still

1083
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 3: I could start crying thinking about him right now. He

1084
00:53:54,239 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 3: was so generous and so caring, and.

1085
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,880
Speaker 1: So he just was so dope. He knew how nervous

1086
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:03,319
Speaker 1: I was.

1087
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 3: I'm in a totally different realm outside of anything I've

1088
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 3: ever done before, and I'm trying so hard to like

1089
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 3: be perfect. And he was like, you got this, you

1090
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,439
Speaker 3: got this, melth you got this, and I got you.

1091
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: And I was like okay.

1092
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 3: And so that ended up becoming another opportunity to host

1093
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 3: the Red car the SB Red Carpet with him and

1094
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 3: a couple of other hosts. So it just turned into

1095
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,920
Speaker 3: like a really incredible opportunity.

1096
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,880
Speaker 1: But what goes up, what must come down, And.

1097
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 3: You know, I just was like kind of like riding

1098
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:49,400
Speaker 3: on a high and then I left BT not voluntarily. Well,

1099
00:54:51,239 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 3: it was kind of like we're not gonna run into

1100
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 3: your contract. I was like, well, I don't want to

1101
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 3: fucking come back anyways.

1102
00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. It was okay, it was like a

1103
00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: mutual breakup.

1104
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,839
Speaker 3: It was yeah, but my ego was just stupid at

1105
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 3: that time. I wish I could go back and like

1106
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 3: slap the shit out of myself.

1107
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: I just I don't even know how to tell that story.

1108
00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:15,759
Speaker 1: I just were you feeling yourself like you mean, were

1109
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,320
Speaker 1: you cocky or rude?

1110
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,759
Speaker 3: Or I might have been a Sometimes I might have

1111
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 3: been a little difficult to work with, you know, but

1112
00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:27,120
Speaker 3: you know, women always get that label. You know, men

1113
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 3: never really get that label. But I might have been

1114
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 3: a little difficult to work with. But something happened in

1115
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,720
Speaker 3: two thousand and five, Hurricane Katrina happened.

1116
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 1: And I was really really distraught.

1117
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 3: My boyfriend at the time was from Louisiana, and so

1118
00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:50,240
Speaker 3: I felt like an indirect connection and also just watching

1119
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 3: human suffering and also what looked like our governments very

1120
00:55:57,320 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 3: very slow response to said human suffering. I just felt

1121
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:07,279
Speaker 3: like I had to do something, and so I ran

1122
00:56:07,480 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 3: into one of the VP's offices at the time. His

1123
00:56:12,920 --> 00:56:19,400
Speaker 3: name was Eugene. Eugene Caldwell, maybe possibly don't quote me

1124
00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 3: on that.

1125
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:22,279
Speaker 1: First name was definitely just heard mic close enough. I

1126
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,040
Speaker 1: just want to make sure I get this whole thing, Okay.

1127
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 3: So his name was Eugene, and I went into his

1128
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 3: office and I pitched this idea of me doing coverage

1129
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:37,080
Speaker 3: of Hurricane Katrina survivors. By this time, the vast majority

1130
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 3: of them were starting to get starting to get moved

1131
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 3: to the Reliant Center in Houston from the Superdome in Louisiana, which.

1132
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:51,720
Speaker 2: You know, we all heard stories about how awful.

1133
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 1: It was there.

1134
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:57,280
Speaker 3: And so my boyfriend, he had a lot of connections

1135
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:00,839
Speaker 3: in Houston, and I was just like, I will fund this.

1136
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 3: If I have to just give me a crew, I'll

1137
00:57:04,040 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 3: house them. Just give me the opportunity to go to

1138
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 3: the Reliance Center and start to interview people. And I

1139
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 3: had this, I had just like this idea as to

1140
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 3: who I wanted to interview. We were interviewing people, you know,

1141
00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 3: growing adults. But I was like, what about the kids?

1142
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 3: What about not just young children, what about teenagers? You know,

1143
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 3: so much of our audience on BET was teenagers watching this.

1144
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 3: As teenagers, our identity is usually kind of ensconced in.

1145
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: What we wear.

1146
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,680
Speaker 3: You know, and the music that we listened to, and

1147
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 3: you know, like we're forming our identities, but these are

1148
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 3: the things that we use to kind of like determine

1149
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 3: who we are, you know. And I was like, nobody's

1150
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 3: talking to them. I was like, I want to go

1151
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 3: talk to them. That's our audience.

1152
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:51,240
Speaker 1: What did they say to this pitch?

1153
00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 3: So they loved it, and they sent me all the

1154
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:56,920
Speaker 3: way upstairs to the EVP of news.

1155
00:57:57,560 --> 00:58:00,680
Speaker 2: Her name was Nina Henderson Moore. I can't believe I

1156
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:02,920
Speaker 2: remember this shit. This is so long ago.

1157
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 3: And I just was so like bright eyed and bushy tailed.

1158
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:09,520
Speaker 3: It's so enthusiastic, and I felt like this was the

1159
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:13,600
Speaker 3: way for me to finally drop this kind of.

1160
00:58:15,120 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: This this.

1161
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 3: I don't know, I was just being rec Oh the

1162
00:58:20,680 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 3: video girl, I was like, no, I want to be

1163
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 3: recognized as somebody who has journalistic integrity and ethics who

1164
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,840
Speaker 3: may not have gone to school for journalism, but I

1165
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:31,960
Speaker 3: sure as fucking act like one, and I know how

1166
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 3: to ask questions and I know how to interview people.

1167
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,880
Speaker 3: So I just wanted this opportunity. Not everybody who's out

1168
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:40,200
Speaker 3: there with a microphone went to school for journalism, you know. Yeah,

1169
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:43,800
Speaker 3: So she was all for it.

1170
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,680
Speaker 1: She loved the idea. It's it looks like all systems

1171
00:58:47,680 --> 00:58:48,000
Speaker 1: are go.

1172
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,560
Speaker 3: And then there was a meeting that took place with

1173
00:58:53,360 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 3: a very powerful consultant and this came up on the agenda.

1174
00:59:00,040 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 3: Melissa Ford going to host you know, like Reliance blah

1175
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 3: blah blah dah da dad, And he said, why the

1176
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 3: fuck are we sending a video girl out into the

1177
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:15,640
Speaker 3: field to handle this shit? And he was so powerful

1178
00:59:16,200 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 3: that he just put the kebash on all of it.

1179
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: And they didn't tell me right away.

1180
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:26,400
Speaker 3: I had to like literally beg them to tell me

1181
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,920
Speaker 3: what had happened. Like everybody was so gung ho and

1182
00:59:29,960 --> 00:59:32,520
Speaker 3: so enthusiastic about this with me, and like, you know,

1183
00:59:32,600 --> 00:59:35,080
Speaker 3: I'd already like started talking to people that I wanted

1184
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 3: to be the crew, Like my producer from my show,

1185
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 3: which was BT Style at the time. I wanted her

1186
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:43,439
Speaker 3: to come with me. I wanted I had the skeleton crew.

1187
00:59:44,040 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 3: And I was so fucking devastated. Very soon after this,

1188
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 3: I did an article for Well.

1189
00:59:53,400 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: I did the cover of.

1190
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:02,800
Speaker 3: Double Excel's Eye Candy issue and I was the premiere issue,

1191
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,680
Speaker 3: and then I did an article, you know, a written

1192
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:08,840
Speaker 3: piece for it, and I'm trying to remember who it

1193
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:09,960
Speaker 3: was that wrote it.

1194
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:12,400
Speaker 2: I can't remember right now, but they were a really

1195
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:13,200
Speaker 2: prolific writer.

1196
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 3: And I talked about this situation because I was still

1197
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:17,280
Speaker 3: smarting from it.

1198
01:00:17,320 --> 01:00:21,120
Speaker 1: I was still so fucking angry. I was very hurt.

1199
01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 3: I was really really hurt by'm a scorpio. So my

1200
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 3: fucking stinger was up and so you know.

1201
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 1: That's that shit. That is a hurtful ass thing. Yeah.

1202
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,960
Speaker 3: So I told the story and then I of one

1203
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,480
Speaker 3: of the quotes was it was at that moment that

1204
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 3: I realized that the glass ceiling was a lot closer

1205
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:44,000
Speaker 3: to my head than that originally thought. And then the

1206
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 3: magazine came out and I was in the airport at

1207
01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 3: the time when I saw it, and I grabbed it

1208
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:48,479
Speaker 3: off the stand.

1209
01:00:48,520 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm like carry with the bube, you know.

1210
01:00:54,040 --> 01:00:56,400
Speaker 3: And I ran to the gate and I'm reading and

1211
01:00:56,440 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 3: I'm like, oh shit. So I called up Stephen Hill

1212
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,919
Speaker 3: and I said, I have to come in and talk

1213
01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 3: to you.

1214
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 1: I didn't tell him why.

1215
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:11,360
Speaker 3: I just wanted to be upfront that this article was

1216
01:01:11,400 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 3: out and I didn't want it to end up on

1217
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 3: your desk without me kind of putting it on the

1218
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:19,080
Speaker 3: desk and me talking about this and giving me giving

1219
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:23,640
Speaker 3: you the reasons why Jesus Yeah, well, you know, I

1220
01:01:23,640 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 3: think that that was one of the reasons that led

1221
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 3: to termination.

1222
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,560
Speaker 1: It doesn't several months later. It doesn't sound too much

1223
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:35,880
Speaker 1: like ego though. It sounds like, uh, you know, it

1224
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:38,240
Speaker 1: doesn't sound too much like you know, like you had.

1225
01:01:38,320 --> 01:01:40,160
Speaker 1: It sounded like you were like, oh, well, maybe it

1226
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 1: was my ego, but it seems to me like it

1227
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 1: was more like, you know, it was if I'm passionate

1228
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:50,720
Speaker 1: about your job and your purpose and you know, how

1229
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: does that make you feel? Because it also came up

1230
01:01:52,560 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 1: in your Unbothered episode. I hope we're not going over

1231
01:01:55,240 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 1: but but okay, but I I know on the podcast

1232
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 1: episode you had an opportunity to speak at Harvard and uh,

1233
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 1: and that that kind of came up, like only fans

1234
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,520
Speaker 1: I think, came up. How does that make you feel?

1235
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 1: Do you have like a love hate relationship with this

1236
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:20,520
Speaker 1: thing that kind of like helped you but now of

1237
01:02:20,600 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 1: the age now is starting to hurt you.

1238
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 3: I what do I say about that? You know, it's

1239
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 3: not something that I broadcast, but it's also not something

1240
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 3: that I'm ashamed of because you know, it allowed me

1241
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 3: to pay my bills during the pandemic. You know, my

1242
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 3: mom had passed away. I didn't know my ask for

1243
01:02:46,400 --> 01:02:49,000
Speaker 3: my Actually I hadn't even started it then.

1244
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 1: It was really like kind of it was really like

1245
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:54,600
Speaker 1: it was.

1246
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:58,280
Speaker 3: It was maybe about a year afterwards, and you know,

1247
01:02:58,320 --> 01:02:59,760
Speaker 3: it was just it was just it was just a

1248
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:01,840
Speaker 3: way to like, you know, tap into the fan base

1249
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 3: that's always been there. And you know, like I said,

1250
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,520
Speaker 3: I have no judgment for the way that other people

1251
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 3: live their lives and the things that they do on OnlyFans.

1252
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:12,480
Speaker 3: I knew what I was doing. It was basically the

1253
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:14,560
Speaker 3: same stuff that I was doing when I was doing

1254
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 3: the covers of magazine. Those magazines don't exist anymore. Yeah,

1255
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:19,560
Speaker 3: you know, so I can still shoot the same way.

1256
01:03:19,640 --> 01:03:23,480
Speaker 3: I can do the implied nudity. I can do the

1257
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 3: lingerie and the bikinis and stuff like that. I can

1258
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,680
Speaker 3: do that stuff, And to me, it's just it's kind

1259
01:03:29,680 --> 01:03:31,680
Speaker 3: of like it's just a part of the repertoire that

1260
01:03:31,720 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 3: I can go back to whenever I want to, because

1261
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 3: because it's available to me.

1262
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,680
Speaker 1: But I'm saying for you personally, is it a love hate?

1263
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: Is there is there like a love hate for the judge.

1264
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 3: The judgment that I don't have for others is oftentimes,

1265
01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 3: you know, placed on me, and that frustrates me sometimes.

1266
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you think that podcasting is helping you be

1267
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:56,440
Speaker 1: able to share the whole? You like? Does it allow

1268
01:03:56,480 --> 01:04:00,720
Speaker 1: you the opportunity because listening to your show is very open. Guys,

1269
01:04:00,760 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 1: got to check it out. It was very open. It

1270
01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 1: was very like a whole you very educational, Okay, because

1271
01:04:09,080 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 1: I didn't know any of the stuff you were talking

1272
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: about and it kind of scared me.

1273
01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:16,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's I mean, is it is scary until

1274
01:04:16,600 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 3: you learn, until you learn about your body and what

1275
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:23,760
Speaker 3: it's going through and all the things that can help

1276
01:04:23,880 --> 01:04:27,640
Speaker 3: you manage the symptoms. I mean, when I started perimenopause,

1277
01:04:27,680 --> 01:04:29,760
Speaker 3: and we'll get back to that what you were originally

1278
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 3: asking when I started.

1279
01:04:30,680 --> 01:04:32,840
Speaker 1: Perimenopause versus where I am now.

1280
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:36,640
Speaker 3: It is so much more manageable where I am now

1281
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:41,200
Speaker 3: because I started what's called HRT hormone replacement therapy, and

1282
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 3: most doctors who have any kind of education on menopause

1283
01:04:46,320 --> 01:04:50,520
Speaker 3: will tell you that the earlier that you start hormone replacement.

1284
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 1: Therapy, the better off you will be.

1285
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 3: There's women that I know that are in their fifties

1286
01:04:54,920 --> 01:04:57,000
Speaker 3: that have never done it before, and like they have

1287
01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 3: really severe symptoms and the synth.

1288
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:01,960
Speaker 2: There's so many symptoms. Oh my god, it's like crazy.

1289
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: I see women talk about it like in offices, but

1290
01:05:04,920 --> 01:05:07,280
Speaker 1: the light usually show me off like you don't understand.

1291
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 1: Holy just you're not there yet, and I'm like, okay, whatever,

1292
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 1: just remember I'm forty guys.

1293
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 3: I mean well, the strangest symptoms are things like tonight's

1294
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 3: seeing things out of the corner of your eye that

1295
01:05:17,800 --> 01:05:25,320
Speaker 3: aren't really there, hives, you know, dry skin, losing your hair,

1296
01:05:25,480 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 3: brittle nails, ocular issues like you know, eyesight issues, Like,

1297
01:05:30,600 --> 01:05:32,120
Speaker 3: there's so many symptoms.

1298
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:34,880
Speaker 1: Everyone's just like, oh, menopause, hot flashes. I've never had one.

1299
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:39,160
Speaker 3: I had night sweats, which is different, but within the

1300
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 3: realm of the same thing. You know, it's basically your

1301
01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:44,160
Speaker 3: body's inability to regulate its temperature. This is just some

1302
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 3: of the stuff. Basically what menopause is. It is less

1303
01:05:46,920 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 3: a gynecological transitional phase in a woman's life and it's

1304
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 3: more cognitive. Seventy five to eighty percent of the symptoms

1305
01:05:53,720 --> 01:05:56,760
Speaker 3: that you will experience happen up here, and this is

1306
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:58,640
Speaker 3: the thing that makes you feel like you're going fucking

1307
01:05:58,680 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 3: crazy because it is cognitive.

1308
01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 1: You know, so.

1309
01:06:01,880 --> 01:06:05,000
Speaker 3: Sorry that it sounds scary, but there is definitely ways

1310
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 3: to make it easier and stuff like that.

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Speaker 1: But like, you know, just kind.

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Speaker 3: Of podcasting does allow me to reintroduce myself, but I

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Speaker 3: feel like I'm constantly reintroducing myself, you know, like the

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Speaker 3: conversation about music videos. It comes up in every single interview.

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Speaker 1: That I do. And some people are like, isn't she

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Speaker 1: tired of talking about it?

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Speaker 3: I'm like, it depends on which angle we come at

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Speaker 3: it from. But there are sometimes where I'm just like,

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Speaker 3: can we focus just on this because I feel like,

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Speaker 3: you know, be careful how you introduce yourself to the world,

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Speaker 3: because it'll never let you forget it kind of thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I feel like that's that's my cross to bear, you know.

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Speaker 1: And like I said, well, I think you're wearing it well,

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Speaker 1: like you're you're even listening to hot and unbothered. It's

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Speaker 1: it's like you're a very pro woman's cham. I think

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Speaker 1: women need to ack knowledge that more than anything. And

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Speaker 1: I think we know that, yeah from you. I think

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Speaker 1: if anything is and I don't even know if men

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Speaker 1: shade like that, but I feel like, more like even

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Speaker 1: hearing that this consultant came in a room, I'm guessing

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Speaker 1: he was a guy. Yes, maybe Yes, it seems like

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Speaker 1: the guys are maybe hating because everything that you stand

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Speaker 1: for seems to be pro woman and pro unity with

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Speaker 1: women and owning ourselves and with.

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Speaker 3: A real focus on health, wellness and mental health.

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Speaker 1: That that's my lane.

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Speaker 2: That is where I thrive.

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Speaker 3: That is where I am a conduit, and I use

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Speaker 3: my experiences and I use my storytelling abilities to make

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Speaker 3: people see feel seen.

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Speaker 1: And heard and represented. That's why I'm here. That feels

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Speaker 1: like very purposeful for me.

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Speaker 3: You know, So the hate will come from all directions,

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Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying. Like, you know, I've been

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Speaker 3: accused of not being a girl's girl. I was like,

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Speaker 3: what the fuck does that even mean? Like, look, yeah,

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Speaker 3: there's gonna be females out here that don't like me,

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Speaker 3: trust and believe, I can name quite a few that

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Speaker 3: I don't fucking like either. But that doesn't mean that

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Speaker 3: I don't care about women's issues. That doesn't mean that

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Speaker 3: I don't want to educate women on you know, young

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Speaker 3: women on what's coming down the pipeline, so they don't

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Speaker 3: have to suffer like the fuck like I had to

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Speaker 3: suffer and my girlfriends had to where we had to

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Speaker 3: biohack our bodies to figure out what the's going on.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Well, what do you want

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Speaker 1: your listeners to gain from hoh and unbothered?

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Speaker 3: It's informative, it is compelling content. I'm going to have

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Speaker 3: medical doctors and experts, but I'm also going to have

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Speaker 3: I'm going to have story, like, you know, stories of

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Speaker 3: just like just real people. Like one episode that I

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Speaker 3: want to do is with my girlfriend Nicole. She's this beautiful,

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Speaker 3: beautiful chocolate woman. She's just oh, she's just warmth, just

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Speaker 3: the you know, just this smile, this treasure cat smile.

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Speaker 3: And she's fifty two years old and she just had

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Speaker 3: her third open heart surgery.

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Speaker 1: But she's also a nurse.

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Speaker 3: And when I was at the hospital visiting her, I

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Speaker 3: had never seen anybody advocate for them selves the way

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Speaker 3: she knew how because she she could read her own

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Speaker 3: chart and say I'm not doing this, I'm not doing this.

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Speaker 3: And what that taught me was how much malpractice actually

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Speaker 3: happens in hospitals and scared the shit out of me.

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Speaker 1: And so I want her to come on.

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Speaker 3: This show to teach people how to advocate for themselves

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Speaker 3: when it comes to dealing with doctors and understanding doctors

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Speaker 3: are not God, even though some of them may think

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Speaker 3: that that's what I want to do. I want to

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Speaker 3: I want to, you know, create episodes that have stories

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Speaker 3: that people feel kind of run parallel to their own

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Speaker 3: lives and just you know, have this kind of sense

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Speaker 3: of of I don't know, symbiosis.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I like that. I love the show.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to continue listening to it and maybe you

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Speaker 1: know email you now.

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Speaker 3: That I have that's like, ready, I do not have

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Speaker 3: a coke problem. I know, I keep scratching my note, but.

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Speaker 1: It's like I swear to God, allergy.

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Speaker 3: My allergy are kicking my fucking ass right now. And

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Speaker 3: it's probably because I think it's.

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Speaker 1: The Sirocha, but I don't want to know something. This

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Speaker 1: was amazing. I just want to thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for your time. I wanted you from a couple of

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Speaker 1: years ago, so it was great, Like it's just timing

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Speaker 1: it finally finally worked out. Thank you so much, and

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Speaker 1: this dish I know you said it's the broke man Sushi.

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Speaker 1: Uh maybe the broke Man's Chinese, but I think it

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Speaker 1: was absolutely terrific for all y'all out there. Easy quick

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Speaker 1: dish under a couple of bucks, fulfilling and tasty. And

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Speaker 1: I think, Melissa, you won't go home and hack this

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Speaker 1: at least once this week? I might, I might.

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Speaker 2: This is this is this is pretty fantastic. I forgot

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Speaker 2: all about this dish, but great.

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Speaker 1: Hat And thank you for being so transparent about your journey.

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Speaker 2: Of course, of course, thank you for having me.

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Speaker 1: All right, guys, and you could check out Melissa Ford

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Speaker 1: unbothered Hot and unbothered.

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01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 3: And bothered hot, and this is just bothered hot and

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01:10:55,360 --> 01:10:59,440
Speaker 3: bothered with Melissa Ford on all your DSPs and on YouTube.

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Speaker 3: So just go to my Instagram page and click the

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Speaker 3: links and we'll bring it right there.

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Speaker 1: And then I think if we DM you enough, you'll

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Speaker 1: start selling those shirts.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, it's happening. It's happening. I'm hot, You're bothered exactly.

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Speaker 1: Peace out, y'all. For more eating while broke from iHeartRadio

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Speaker 1: and The Black Effect, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows,