Speaker 1: Okay, welcome to episode fifteen of The Bobby Cast. Appreciate
Speaker 1: you guys being here. Eric Passley is our guest. Number
Speaker 1: one Song is an artist Number one Songs as a songwriter.
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Speaker 1: all right in the house now with Eric Passy who
Speaker 1: got to watch a few minutes ago me take a
Speaker 1: needle to the arm. I was taking a food allergy needle.
Speaker 1: That's whatever you want to call it, Bobby, that's yeah,
Speaker 1: for you knew it. So let ma explain what happened.
Speaker 1: Because the nurse was supposed to get here at five,
Speaker 1: and Eric was early, which is awesome, by the way,
Speaker 1: I love I love someone who's early. I'm I've only
Speaker 1: the early for you. So the nurse, if you want
Speaker 1: those headphones right there for those on you can want
Speaker 1: to play some music. In a second, the nurse shows
Speaker 1: up at five, and Eric shows up at five too,
Speaker 1: Eric and his wife Natalie, And now it's sitting in
Speaker 1: the corner with Dusty right now. So Dusty, for once,
Speaker 1: it's not sleeping on the couch during this. So the
Speaker 1: nurse starts shooting a needle into my arm. Luckily only
Speaker 1: took one time, because I've passed out before. Does it
Speaker 1: usually take a bunch of times? And sometimes they can't
Speaker 1: find a vein that s it does and they're like, oh, like,
Speaker 1: I'm a diabetic and putting a needle in my arm
Speaker 1: is still not Like that's so unnatural, like that you
Speaker 1: guard that area for a good reason. I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: to that. Because you were watching and you didn't care,
Speaker 1: and she's drawing out blood, but your wife was staring
Speaker 1: at all of the blood, and then she would cover
Speaker 1: her eyes. Then she would stare again. Usually it's you
Speaker 1: don't look, or you look, you don't stare, and then
Speaker 1: run away and come back and her eyes with water,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, stop staring. He's gonna pass out because
Speaker 1: of the look on your face. I'm doing this because
Speaker 1: Amy on the show said it told her what food.
Speaker 1: First of all, you don't know what allergies you have,
Speaker 1: like in the air, and then what foods irritate your body.
Speaker 1: So I would have never done this, but Amy made
Speaker 1: me spend money on this thing. So, but you're here
Speaker 1: and you have to shoot yourself with a needle, win Well,
Speaker 1: I wear an insulin pump, so three well, it's like
Speaker 1: a little bitty it's basically like having a tiny little
Speaker 1: like I V and you. I mean it's it's probably
Speaker 1: like a centameter deep. It just barely goes under your skin.
Speaker 1: I mean you put it a needle in with it,
Speaker 1: pull the needle out, and this little just plastic tubing
Speaker 1: stays under you. I put it on the butt, so
Speaker 1: it's right now, it's the right yeah, yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it's basically just it's just where I don't have to
Speaker 1: carry around like a vial of insulin and a syringe.
Speaker 1: I always have an insulin pump where it's just basically
Speaker 1: like having an ivy of insulin hooked up to me.
Speaker 1: And so when I eat, I can say, okay, I
Speaker 1: eat thirty grams of carbohydrates. I'll give myself this amount
Speaker 1: of insulin, and it just it frees you up from
Speaker 1: having to carry around You're just always connected. Do you
Speaker 1: have to monitor that too? You show me a watch
Speaker 1: and you're not wearing it right now, but dude, this
Speaker 1: as well. So I have it's on my arm right now.
Speaker 1: It's called x COM like CGM, and it goes straight
Speaker 1: to my phone. Uh, and it tells you what like
Speaker 1: your level, right, So you've showed me down at one
Speaker 1: sixties seven right now, literally on my phone. It's so
Speaker 1: much crazier than always having to check it because you
Speaker 1: can always just tell yeah, when you perform, you keep
Speaker 1: something on stage with you. Yep. We always have a
Speaker 1: good old solo cup of like o J out there
Speaker 1: and do you feel it if you're performing. Well, what
Speaker 1: happens is my tour manager can watch this thing on
Speaker 1: his phone and now he can too, which is cool.
Speaker 1: But uh, just the other night we were in uh Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: and he was like, dude, your bloods going just your
Speaker 1: bloods going down. So he's watching this, he's watching it
Speaker 1: and then just tells me my inere monitors, like, hey,
Speaker 1: drink some more orange juice. So the crowd things I'm
Speaker 1: getting wasted, and they're like yeah, chuck, Chuck. I'm like yeah,
Speaker 1: that stage and you started to really fill down. Um.
Speaker 1: I haven't since I've gotten this thing as much, but
Speaker 1: because we catch it before before I even feel the
Speaker 1: symptoms of being low. But um, I've definitely had some
Speaker 1: Uh I need some orange juice now. I mean I'll
Speaker 1: like there's been times I think we're at the dusty Armadillo.
Speaker 1: Once it was like anybody orange juice and uh and
Speaker 1: kind of stutter a little bit like maybe they just
Speaker 1: think I'm sort of wasted. Needles aren't a thing for you,
Speaker 1: Like you don't care, it's nothing to you that I mean,
Speaker 1: I still don't like my blood being drunk. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you so. Eric Pasla decided to hang out with
Speaker 1: us uh today on episode fifteen of The Bobby Cast,
Speaker 1: and um, we appreciate that. We a lot to talk about.
Speaker 1: So I want to start with right now. We like
Speaker 1: to make a circle and start with exactly what's happening
Speaker 1: right now, and then kind of back up and they
Speaker 1: come back to now. So right now you have a
Speaker 1: song out and you'll talk about it for a second. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Angels in this Town. Here you go. This is Angels
Speaker 1: in this Town right here, this time. So let's talk
Speaker 1: about the frustration that, first of all, that I have
Speaker 1: that the song as a right now at this point
Speaker 1: isn't doing better because it's a wonderful song and I've
Speaker 1: loved it since you brought it in the first time
Speaker 1: and I've played it, and I have a frustration. So
Speaker 1: I can't imagine what your frustration is right now. Um.
Speaker 1: You know, I was talking to a friend and he
Speaker 1: was like, you know what all we can do is
Speaker 1: planting water. I can't make you and you can hire
Speaker 1: farmers and hire farmers. Now I know, um, uh what
Speaker 1: I've been doing from the moment I knew, just from
Speaker 1: the moment I knew, Hey, this song is gonna be
Speaker 1: a single. It's like, you know what we could do,
Speaker 1: Let's do these angel visits. And uh, I didn't call
Speaker 1: him that that sounds like you're doing angel visits. They
Speaker 1: just somehow fit on a calendar. Tonight. It's an angel
Speaker 1: visit in my house right there. We are. My wife's
Speaker 1: an angel, so they are so but it's just go
Speaker 1: out and just think people that we think are doing
Speaker 1: miracles in people's lives. And that's what we do. We're
Speaker 1: at children's hospital the other day. Um, almost two to
Speaker 1: three times a weekend, almost every show day, we go
Speaker 1: do an angel visit. So tons of Habitat for Humanity builds.
Speaker 1: Just getting to thank all those people building houses for
Speaker 1: people just so they can afford a house. And it's
Speaker 1: just cool seeing the whole community come together, Like I know,
Speaker 1: you're a good guy, and I'm just frustrated that this song,
Speaker 1: like what's the whole? What's what? Why do they tell
Speaker 1: you this song right now isn't a taught ten song?
Speaker 1: Like what do they tell you as the artist? Because
Speaker 1: I'm all the time, I'm just telling you. I'm in like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, why don't we playing this song? Alive
Speaker 1: Radio is saying we love it, well, we need to
Speaker 1: find room because there isn't room right now. There's always
Speaker 1: room for good stuff. There's always over and you don't
Speaker 1: have to say anything here. This is what. This is
Speaker 1: what it is. So let's talk about like a highway. Okay,
Speaker 1: you have all these cars on the highway, and this
Speaker 1: is the analogy of music and artists that I make.
Speaker 1: You have all you have. You have a highway and
Speaker 1: there's there's four lanes and they've packed. The cars are
Speaker 1: just flying through. That's those cars are uh, YouTube, the
Speaker 1: radio apps everything right, and so they're all out there,
Speaker 1: and the songs and the artists and unless you're like
Speaker 1: a nineteen twenties old crazy car or Ferrari, you know,
Speaker 1: those are the different platforms, the kinds of cars. And
Speaker 1: then you have the speeds of the cars. Who gets
Speaker 1: noticed the cars going really fast or really slow. And
Speaker 1: so there's so many things out there, but it's all
Speaker 1: the time. So when someone always says there's no room
Speaker 1: or something, I never believe. You should never believe that.
Speaker 1: I don't believe. It's like this is me from the
Speaker 1: inside thing. Never believe that crap because it's crap. It's
Speaker 1: just crap. No. I I believe in great songs. And
Speaker 1: I've never given radio crappy song, and I've never given
Speaker 1: my fans a crappy song. I I and you asked frustrations.
Speaker 1: Frustrations are um that we can't really say a whole
Speaker 1: lot in songs these days. It's it's like the only
Speaker 1: way you're allowed to say humble and kind is if
Speaker 1: you were Tim McGraw, you know, I and it's uh,
Speaker 1: I try to write. I've always loved songs that have
Speaker 1: a message, but I also love songs that just have fun,
Speaker 1: like high class, you know. And and which was another
Speaker 1: that yeah, I'm not really sure. I mean I I
Speaker 1: think I always say it takes a lot more power
Speaker 1: to roll up to roll an actual stone made out
Speaker 1: of of of stone as opposed to made out of
Speaker 1: plastic and I believe I'm made out of something heavier
Speaker 1: than some other songs. And that's all right. Well, the
Speaker 1: song is Angels in This Town, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: you're on the Today Show playing it next week. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we're rocking with Hoda and Kassie Lee Bunch. By the way,
Speaker 1: you're gonna love them. They're so nice. They had no
Speaker 1: reason to be cool to me, and they were called
Speaker 1: to me before the show, during the show, and after
Speaker 1: the show. An hour later I saw hold of eating.
Speaker 1: She was like, do you want to come to have lunch?
Speaker 1: And I could it because we were flying. But they
Speaker 1: were the nicest people. That's cool. Everybody download Angels in
Speaker 1: This Town. This is uh slate. It should have been
Speaker 1: the whole songs about like there are people watching over you, right, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I it started. We were just talking about those stories
Speaker 1: that make your hair stand on end, you know, like
Speaker 1: that that's not true. There's no way that's true. And
Speaker 1: one of the first stories I ever heard like that,
Speaker 1: and I've never had anything personally that I know of. Um,
Speaker 1: that's the thing we probably that that we know of.
Speaker 1: And this is why you should be kind to people too,
Speaker 1: for the same things. Act reason you have no idea
Speaker 1: how many people have been kind to you and you
Speaker 1: have no idea they were kind to you. And you
Speaker 1: should be kind to other people, even if they don't know,
Speaker 1: because you owe it back the same way. We probably
Speaker 1: our lives have probably been on the edge ten, twelve,
Speaker 1: fifteen times. We have no idea. You never even knew it.
Speaker 1: Like I was wondering, like, you know, I'm not weird
Speaker 1: about it, but I was wondering my grandma because before
Speaker 1: she died, I was like, hey, if you're like really
Speaker 1: watching over me, like, let me know. And I had
Speaker 1: this whole thing where her guitar fell in my house
Speaker 1: and it really remember reading about it in your book.
Speaker 1: It was so weird and also told you. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: you shouldn't be freaked out by like people watching me,
Speaker 1: because if they are, they're they're all good. But then
Speaker 1: they watched me use the bathroom, and I don't like
Speaker 1: that they watched me. You know, when I'm alone, they're
Speaker 1: in such like that's the part of the body. It's
Speaker 1: not that they watched me over me. It's like I
Speaker 1: wonder if they check out while I go number two
Speaker 1: or while you know, I like make Bobby Happy, They're
Speaker 1: probably just grinned and go huh. That's the part that
Speaker 1: freaks me. Angels in this town is the current song.
Speaker 1: Do you think and this is a real question that
Speaker 1: I wondered about you because you are one of the
Speaker 1: most cerebral people that I know period um, do you
Speaker 1: think you're ahead of it a little much? Because being
Speaker 1: behind it and being ahead of it are two things
Speaker 1: that will keep success from happening. And sometimes we don't
Speaker 1: evenalize people were ahead of the game until it gets
Speaker 1: up there. Do you feel like you're ahead of it
Speaker 1: a bit? I mean, I put she Don't Love You out,
Speaker 1: and no one had put ballads out, and then everybody
Speaker 1: put a ballad out. Absolutely, you know, I mean I
Speaker 1: don't know. Yes, I mean the the honest try this
Speaker 1: as long as this is the truth. I've always dreamed
Speaker 1: of playing the C M A S or the A
Speaker 1: C M S or the Grammy's cheez Um because I
Speaker 1: always I always love watching it and being inspired by
Speaker 1: the songs and the performers, and I've always wanted to
Speaker 1: do that. Like, I feel like I'm such a part
Speaker 1: of the country community now that I like, I just
Speaker 1: want to play songs like Angels or like less than Whole,
Speaker 1: Are Deep as is Wide, or songs like that that
Speaker 1: I've had that I've put out she Don't Love You,
Speaker 1: where I believe it inspires all of us that create
Speaker 1: music because it goes like yes, because it's it's those
Speaker 1: type of songs that are are have so many influences
Speaker 1: that I think affect all people that create, you know,
Speaker 1: to where it reminds you of that old mcgrawl song
Speaker 1: or George Straight song or Bob Dylan song or a
Speaker 1: petty song or who knows what. Um. I just have
Speaker 1: always drilled ahead of thinking, just a little ahead of
Speaker 1: everybody else, and I'll slow it down. I'll just wait,
Speaker 1: wait for everybody to catch up. More of this. Thanks
Speaker 1: for thinking that more of this we need to do.
Speaker 1: When I grew up and potty party, Yeah so so
Speaker 1: Eric and I And also like we wrote when I
Speaker 1: grew up with Phil Barton, And this is the thing
Speaker 1: with Eric, this is not an exaggeration at all. He
Speaker 1: was way too smart to write when I grow up
Speaker 1: and he came into the house and he's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's get into the minds of these kids, like what
Speaker 1: would you be thinking? And I was like, come down
Speaker 1: to my level, the dumb level, like the total dumb
Speaker 1: guy level. And so it was like, I don't do
Speaker 1: I think you're like two steps ahead of everybody, like
Speaker 1: in your brain, like you create these things, not even
Speaker 1: just music. But we wrote When I Grew Up Right.
Speaker 1: It was fun, it was great, and then we wrote
Speaker 1: Potty Party with Lindsay l I'm like, I actually am
Speaker 1: just thrilled the death that I just part of children's
Speaker 1: songs and they don't suck. Just kid a lot. That's
Speaker 1: my official take on you at this point is that
Speaker 1: you're a little ahead of everybody else. It's just taking
Speaker 1: a break for like six months, and you don't need
Speaker 1: to break people to catch up. There there's a history.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go fishing and build more cabinets and stuff.
Speaker 1: I'll just build a bunch of lights for all my friends.
Speaker 1: You do build like crazy. And Eric's like artistic builder too,
Speaker 1: Like he doesn't just build a deck. He builds a
Speaker 1: deck with ep on it, Eric pass lay that rotates
Speaker 1: at night and also throws candy to all the kids
Speaker 1: as they walk by. Like that's the kind of stuff
Speaker 1: I actually haven't done. That. That's slightly creepy. It sounds
Speaker 1: like I should be a clown costume or something. So
Speaker 1: right now it's angels in this town. I'm rooting for
Speaker 1: the song, like crazy, who'd you write this with? I
Speaker 1: wrote this with Eric Dylan and Corey Crowder. We were
Speaker 1: down in gold Shores, Alabama, and uh, I got saying
Speaker 1: we were sharing those stories that make your hair stand
Speaker 1: on and I my brother was dating a girl he
Speaker 1: didn't marry or anything, but um, her story was, she
Speaker 1: was in this insanely horrific car accident and like to
Speaker 1: the point where she was going to bleed to death
Speaker 1: her head like hit a telephone pole or something like
Speaker 1: her car was spinning out insane like should probably should
Speaker 1: have died on contact. Honestly. Um. The first person to
Speaker 1: the scene was a doctor. Second person to the scene
Speaker 1: was a volunteer firefighter who had a giant emergency kit
Speaker 1: in his truck, so like the biggest emergency could you
Speaker 1: you could possibly have as like just a civilian well
Speaker 1: as a as a firefighter. I mean, so he brings
Speaker 1: that over. The doctor bandages her head up and everything
Speaker 1: so she's not going to bleed to death, and does
Speaker 1: it so perfectly that when she got meta back to
Speaker 1: the hospital. All of the nurses and doctors were like,
Speaker 1: who did this? This was literally as perfect as you
Speaker 1: could possibly do it, And how did he even do
Speaker 1: it in like on a field, on the field beside
Speaker 1: a highway, like, no clue how this happened. But they
Speaker 1: never found a doctor. There was no car left, and
Speaker 1: the volunteer fire fighters stood with all the sheriffs to
Speaker 1: identify who the complice because he's the first they need
Speaker 1: a statement. I mean, he worked on the patient, and
Speaker 1: he was there first, and never no one recognized him.
Speaker 1: No one ever saw him again. And and the girl
Speaker 1: believed it was an angel and sod the like the fight,
Speaker 1: but hands down, the firefighter and even the sheriff was like,
Speaker 1: this was a miracle. We never found the guy. No
Speaker 1: one knows who he is any bandaged you up perfectly.
Speaker 1: No one ever found the doctor. Never, he didn't that
Speaker 1: he literally just was there, helped her and just vanished.
Speaker 1: So maybe it wasn't even a real doctor. You're saying
Speaker 1: he was a I mean, could have been an angel,
Speaker 1: you know, a miracle. That's a crazy story. The other
Speaker 1: story that we shared the s which was some darkness
Speaker 1: to this too, but it's it's still just like whoa
Speaker 1: what like what I was saying earlier, like times that
Speaker 1: you didn't even know something happened. Um, the story is,
Speaker 1: and I don't I have seen, I've read, I've checked
Speaker 1: up on this. Some people say it is it actually happened,
Speaker 1: Like there's a police report in everything in a case
Speaker 1: that this happened, and other people are like, well, I
Speaker 1: don't know if it happens, but it inspired us to
Speaker 1: write the song. And Um. The story was that a
Speaker 1: girl was at like a party that feeblocks from her house.
Speaker 1: It was at night. Party was done high school girl
Speaker 1: and she was like, hey, I'm just gonna walk home,
Speaker 1: and the parents are like, oh, we'll drive you, and
Speaker 1: she's like, no, I'm fine, I'll just walk home. It's fine,
Speaker 1: nice neighborhood, walking and down the alley kind of where
Speaker 1: all the garages are on both sides, walking down the
Speaker 1: alley back to her house, and there's a guy leaning
Speaker 1: there on one of the garages, and she just like
Speaker 1: freaked out and just says like, lord, police protect me,
Speaker 1: Police protect She just started praying and praying and just
Speaker 1: walked right past him, went home, went to bed, and
Speaker 1: the next morning she woke up and there was like
Speaker 1: police everywhere and a girl had been murdered on that street,
Speaker 1: like in the alleyway that night, and that the guy
Speaker 1: leaning on the garage was the dude that did it.
Speaker 1: They caught him and the girls like he totally was
Speaker 1: back here. I saw him. And the police asked the
Speaker 1: murderer like, why would you pick the second girl and
Speaker 1: not the first girl that walked by you? And he
Speaker 1: looks at him like, I'm not going to pick a
Speaker 1: girl with two big guys walking with her, And there
Speaker 1: were no she's walking alone, but that guy saw two
Speaker 1: giant guys walking with her. That's what he said. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's crazy. So that's where Angels kind of got inspired by.
Speaker 1: And also there was I remember it, And that's that's
Speaker 1: the hard thing about it. It's like you don't know
Speaker 1: why God sends miracles sometimes and not other times, but
Speaker 1: the fact that he does at all, if you believe
Speaker 1: in God is above and beyond anything any love you'll
Speaker 1: ever know. Do you ever think the struggle though it's
Speaker 1: put here so when you do finally it, you feel
Speaker 1: it and respect it? More like, do you feel like
Speaker 1: at times absolutely your stuff doesn't work on purpose? Absolutely,
Speaker 1: because I know, I know that I had nothing to
Speaker 1: do with it to a point, you know, like like
Speaker 1: this morning, I did a radio interview and a lot
Speaker 1: of times I'm asked, God, why do you keep giving
Speaker 1: away your hits? You know, as au from the songwriting side,
Speaker 1: which I write everything and I hope you know, and
Speaker 1: you want everything to be heard, and that's impossible because
Speaker 1: there's not I mean, I've written whatever somat songs, which
Speaker 1: is just wild, but um but I always tell them
Speaker 1: it's like it's it's not a hit unless it's played
Speaker 1: a lot. That doesn't mean it was the greatest song ever.
Speaker 1: Hopefully it hopefully it really connected to people's memories and
Speaker 1: it's it's a great memory in their life. But if
Speaker 1: it gets played a lot, it's a hit. You know,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of songs that you and I know
Speaker 1: that might not ever even be heard by the public.
Speaker 1: And there's no way for him to even tell you
Speaker 1: if they think it's a hit or not because they
Speaker 1: never heard it. Yeah, So let me talk about she
Speaker 1: don't love you for a second, So she don't love
Speaker 1: she's just slowly she don't know. So while Friday Night
Speaker 1: was out and as it was climbing up the charts
Speaker 1: before it hit number one. I was like, man, you
Speaker 1: gotta put she I wasn't talking to you, I was
Speaker 1: telling everyone. I was just screaming at the world like,
Speaker 1: she don't Love You one of the best songs I've
Speaker 1: heard in years. Thanks, I was just I was annoying.
Speaker 1: I was really annoying. Thanks for champion it, man. I
Speaker 1: mean you love the way with making sure a ballad
Speaker 1: got hurt by a new guy and I knew and
Speaker 1: I knew it was tougher ballads, but I was like,
Speaker 1: the song is so good, so it comes out right
Speaker 1: she don't love She's just slow listen. I thought it
Speaker 1: was a song of the year. In my mind. We
Speaker 1: got nominated, man, and that was one of the biggest,
Speaker 1: you know, tip of the hats of the song was
Speaker 1: I mean for and I don't know where we got
Speaker 1: like fifteen or something. It was like top five in
Speaker 1: most markets, but it was, you know, to go up
Speaker 1: against where you think about how many forties them on
Speaker 1: number one that year. To be to be one of
Speaker 1: the top five showsen for song of the Year, that
Speaker 1: just meant the world to us. And um, let me
Speaker 1: ask you a question here you go, here's the question,
Speaker 1: because wherever it peaked on the radio chart, which you
Speaker 1: don't know where it peaked? Do you know where it peaked?
Speaker 1: So if it, would you rather have had it be
Speaker 1: at three to one and not be nominated for Song
Speaker 1: of the year, which it was, or like it happened,
Speaker 1: song of the year. Let's not say number on. Let's
Speaker 1: say at number two, right, okay, so let's take number
Speaker 1: one out of right the numbers you hate eleven, six
Speaker 1: and two because they're almost a ten, almost a five,
Speaker 1: and almost a one. Yeah, So would you rather have
Speaker 1: been a number two song on the chart and not
Speaker 1: be nominated or be nominated for Song of the year
Speaker 1: and peak at fifteen on the radio chart? I'm I'm
Speaker 1: fine with how the story went because every night people
Speaker 1: sing along, the fans sing along, and that's that's the
Speaker 1: main point. It's it's it's not that it went. I
Speaker 1: mean it's nice too. It's nice to give your co
Speaker 1: writers a pad on the back as well and go,
Speaker 1: here's a plaque for a number one. But it's, uh,
Speaker 1: it's just it means everything when you're the singer every
Speaker 1: night and you go out and you sing and people
Speaker 1: sing along, and you go, wow, this was a hit.
Speaker 1: You know it was. It was a hit. It was
Speaker 1: a moved people hit, Like there are songs that were
Speaker 1: there have been multi week number one that will never
Speaker 1: be remembered and thought of again, and she Don't Love
Speaker 1: You is the opposite of that, like you'll be able
Speaker 1: to sing this forever and people. I remember when you
Speaker 1: came and we don't get to go and do stuff
Speaker 1: on the weekends. We barely get to see each other
Speaker 1: play because we're both out. I always say, I was like,
Speaker 1: I never get to see shows. And so you came
Speaker 1: and played at our Rhyman show last year and you
Speaker 1: did she Don't Love You by yourself and it was
Speaker 1: just really one of the most moving things that I've
Speaker 1: seen this an artists go up by themselves and play
Speaker 1: that song. It was very powerful and so to be
Speaker 1: I congratulated. When I was not every song of you,
Speaker 1: I was surprised because because I knew it, it didn't
Speaker 1: make you know, it wasn't in top five songs, but
Speaker 1: it was. It was dancing around and Jen Wayan, who
Speaker 1: you wrote it with, is now part of In Away June,
Speaker 1: and now you know they're making they're right now so
Speaker 1: that's she Don't Love You. I love It's just I
Speaker 1: play this. So we we will do long rides and
Speaker 1: we'll take a bus, but if it's within like four hours,
Speaker 1: we'll just drive a van, right, because it's like, why
Speaker 1: I spend The bus has cast like five grands. They're expensive, man, right,
Speaker 1: bus for a weekends, so it's like we'll take it.
Speaker 1: So justin the suit will drive and he'll drive for
Speaker 1: like eight hours at a time. And I have a
Speaker 1: playlist of really slow so I'm just picturing it's crazy
Speaker 1: that make me sleep pull over for some big Max. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't need to, you know. I try to stand
Speaker 1: the health when my results come back from my test,
Speaker 1: but I have like arium everybody hurts cold play she
Speaker 1: Don't Love You, and like he wants to go to
Speaker 1: He's like, dude, you gotta give me something but beat
Speaker 1: and I'm like, after I fall asleep, you can change it,
Speaker 1: like after I passed. So I just I take in
Speaker 1: my powerful music and fall right to sleep. It's just
Speaker 1: and drive, I would say every night before just because
Speaker 1: it's like I don't want people to be depressed after
Speaker 1: that song. It's I mean, the point of that song
Speaker 1: was you know, I'm the one that broke her heart
Speaker 1: that much. But the cool thing is people can hear
Speaker 1: it with the years they want to, you know, if
Speaker 1: they're like going through a breakup, like, yeah, she doesn't
Speaker 1: love you, that screw her. Speaking of love and how
Speaker 1: creative you are. So whenever you we're proposing to your
Speaker 1: current wife now my only wife, Yeah, you're your your wife,
Speaker 1: your eighth wife, wivers. So when you proposed, you get
Speaker 1: in the pretty elaborate right with a book I did. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: look at you man, No, no, I want to hear
Speaker 1: about all this, so let me so it's like it's
Speaker 1: kind of like a buck of us kind of thing, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: Natalie ge So she gave me this uh photo album
Speaker 1: uh for for one of my birthdays, probably four years ago.
Speaker 1: We've been married almost two years a year and a half,
Speaker 1: two years, but um uh and it was just all
Speaker 1: these photos. We worked together for five years before we ever,
Speaker 1: and for a while we would we would sit on
Speaker 1: a little more whiskey and you know, dance a lot closer, literally,
Speaker 1: dance a lot closer. You know, it's about as far
Speaker 1: as it went. But you didn't date a couple of
Speaker 1: times Okay, so you did. So did you secretly date? Okay,
Speaker 1: I would not really because I will say that right now.
Speaker 1: We didn't secretively date. We just always hung out together
Speaker 1: and I would always find something to fix at our house. Like, hey,
Speaker 1: that's hinge. You both stay single because you not say
Speaker 1: did you both stay in a good place because you
Speaker 1: knew eventually you would try to be together? Oh no,
Speaker 1: we had drama. That's fine. Yeah, she's an attractive woman.
Speaker 1: I'm an attractive man. She's definitely attractive woman. And you're cool.
Speaker 1: You're definitely cool. Um, so I'm in that situation now.
Speaker 1: I don't say anything whatever, you know, if you know anything,
Speaker 1: don't say anything where It's like from just just a bit,
Speaker 1: not long. But I had a friend for a long time.
Speaker 1: I miss the universe chick it had. I've had a
Speaker 1: friend for a while. We were just friends forever because
Speaker 1: it was like, you can't, I can't date somebody that
Speaker 1: I work with. And so what I learned to that
Speaker 1: is traditions or bs. You know, if you love someone
Speaker 1: you love. I wouldn't do it. I just wouldn't. And
Speaker 1: I'm saying things right now that I haven't said yet
Speaker 1: on the radio. Um, and I just wouldn't do it.
Speaker 1: And so we just in the last month and a half,
Speaker 1: we just had a talk and I was like, Okay,
Speaker 1: what are we gonna do here, Like we're gonna date
Speaker 1: or not. And so it looks like we're gonna date. Cool,
Speaker 1: I think it, man, let's go on, let's go right now.
Speaker 1: It's kind of secret it but like in two weeks.
Speaker 1: I think in two weeks it won't be secret anymore.
Speaker 1: People are saying you're putting out like like pictures of
Speaker 1: like who I might be dating, And I to myself,
Speaker 1: what I was saying was like Bobby's just taking random girls,
Speaker 1: you know, and just having different part to their body
Speaker 1: show just to confuse people. Fair, did you fair? But
Speaker 1: no they didn't. Um. But it was the same thing,
Speaker 1: like this person was a friend for a long time,
Speaker 1: which is good. It's a good set up, the best
Speaker 1: set up, because I'm terribly afraid of commitment, and so
Speaker 1: here I am now with someone that I know that
Speaker 1: like it's just as friends have like seen the ups
Speaker 1: and the downs in the middles and walked in on
Speaker 1: peeing that kind of stuff. All that stuff happened, and
Speaker 1: so now it's like Okay, we're gonna try this thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and she's seen I mean, she's gotten to see your
Speaker 1: world too, you know. And that's like with Natalie and me.
Speaker 1: It's like she's seen me from Hey, I'm done with
Speaker 1: my record. You know what, who's who's wants some songs,
Speaker 1: you know? And she went Jason Aldeen and I went
Speaker 1: and wrote a song that and that's why I never
Speaker 1: cut it, but he should have. He ended up recording
Speaker 1: a song that sounded just like it. But it was like,
Speaker 1: but she didn't. She realized, Wow, he's actually a songwriter.
Speaker 1: Explain explain her job because you say that, but people
Speaker 1: her job at a music publishing company. They they sign
Speaker 1: like a record deal in a way. They signed songwriters,
Speaker 1: and we also might want a record deal, you know,
Speaker 1: be singers too. But her job was to have the
Speaker 1: songs come from us, and then she would go, Okay,
Speaker 1: I think so and so would like this or whatever artists,
Speaker 1: so she would go to the label or the manager
Speaker 1: or the artist or their public whoever it was. That
Speaker 1: was the right avenue to get the song to him
Speaker 1: to see if they want to record it or not.
Speaker 1: So she would take your songs because you were signed
Speaker 1: to where she was working and pitched them to people,
Speaker 1: and she pitched Barefoot, Blue g Night too. J Cohen
Speaker 1: renee Renee Bell was at Sonny and she held it
Speaker 1: for Jake, and Jake ended up loving and recording it.
Speaker 1: Um Barefoot or even if a break, let's come back.
Speaker 1: Hold on a second, Let's stop it that for a second.
Speaker 1: I want to get back to this proposal book. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: because we we we were off track. We'll get back
Speaker 1: on that train track in a second. So you make
Speaker 1: this book of of what? Yeah, so it's it says
Speaker 1: it's all these pictures from all these years of what
Speaker 1: I just talked about, of random pictures of us on
Speaker 1: rider trips or just downtown Nashville or who knows what.
Speaker 1: And then halfway in the middle is said to be continued.
Speaker 1: So I was like, I have an idea. Oh, she
Speaker 1: gave that to you, she gave it to me, said,
Speaker 1: but it said to be continued. So what I did
Speaker 1: was got all the pictures from then on and just
Speaker 1: started putting them in and had Bible verses and cool
Speaker 1: justt memories and dates and all kind of cool stuff.
Speaker 1: She started it. She started putting all that in there.
Speaker 1: So I continued it and then went and got some
Speaker 1: foam and some black, really nice black velvet, you know,
Speaker 1: so she couldn't see that there was something built up
Speaker 1: in the back, and uh went up it was it
Speaker 1: was January December, because I didn't want to be cliche
Speaker 1: and have it like one New Year's Eve night. But
Speaker 1: that's fine, two fellas, if you gotta do not, really,
Speaker 1: don't take a day that somebody else has already created.
Speaker 1: But the other thing is, I'm a musician, so we're actually,
Speaker 1: I act you have time to like put a book together,
Speaker 1: but find me one of them my wives and mellowed wives.
Speaker 1: But we uh so I I and actually I ran
Speaker 1: downstairs because I still had to like officially finish it exactly.
Speaker 1: And I had taken a picture at a Christmas party.
Speaker 1: My brother took it for me because he was already
Speaker 1: in on it. Took a picture of us standing in
Speaker 1: front of the Christmas tree. And so when she turned
Speaker 1: to the last page, there was a Christmas tree there
Speaker 1: and at the very top was the star was the ring.
Speaker 1: So I had slid the ring down into that phone
Speaker 1: to where it fit perfectly so it wouldn't fall out,
Speaker 1: and she didn't know anything funky was going on in
Speaker 1: the back of the book. So it actually it took
Speaker 1: you to see it, right. You didn't know it was
Speaker 1: the ring immediately a millisecond. But that's longer. That's long
Speaker 1: enough for a guy saying. But she said, God, you're
Speaker 1: such a two arible person. But okay, it was It
Speaker 1: was awesome process. So you've been married almost two years now,
Speaker 1: year and a half. Yeah, what's what's the what's the
Speaker 1: key to it? At a year and a half? Um,
Speaker 1: loving each other deeply to begin with, and both being
Speaker 1: understanding and uh and and also knowing what you're getting into.
Speaker 1: It's like she knew that I'm always on the road.
Speaker 1: Not always, but it's kind of like two different lives.
Speaker 1: It's like you go out on the road, hang out
Speaker 1: with all those crazy girls, and then you come back
Speaker 1: to your what And I'm kidding, do make the heart
Speaker 1: grow fonder or does it make the heart grow sad?
Speaker 1: I think it's you know, it's it is weird because
Speaker 1: it's like I'm on the road and I'm busy all day,
Speaker 1: so like for for her to know exactly what's going on,
Speaker 1: and I'm terrible at like communicating details. I'm like, so
Speaker 1: we went to here, then we went to there. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and and and I also met Garth Brooks or what
Speaker 1: you know or whatever. But it's, uh, I think it's
Speaker 1: I always love going home. And I think when we
Speaker 1: when we get to finally hang out for two or
Speaker 1: three days a week, it's it's really sweet and we
Speaker 1: just project. We make all kinds of things together. This
Speaker 1: today we were building cabinets. Are just kind. He's a
Speaker 1: rock star at it. No, you like it. You're like
Speaker 1: a person. My sister came to tell him last week
Speaker 1: and she and I feel like a gigante. The linen
Speaker 1: chest or cabinet into the eaves of the wall while
Speaker 1: he was on the roads. Are like perfect for each other,
Speaker 1: and I get to come back and finish up with
Speaker 1: the details. Yeah, you're just a creator. I mean you
Speaker 1: create a lot of things, you know. Yeah, go back
Speaker 1: to music, and you're talking about songs, and so I
Speaker 1: don't think of it as look at all the songs
Speaker 1: that you've given away, because you write songs at different
Speaker 1: times for different reasons. Absolutely, there are sometimes when it's
Speaker 1: time to write for yourself and when it's your project time,
Speaker 1: and there are sometimes where you just are writing because
Speaker 1: you you're a songwriter as well. You gotta write. You
Speaker 1: gotta swing the baseball bat. So let's talk about and stuff.
Speaker 1: So you mentioned Barefoot Blue Gene Nights, So never could
Speaker 1: you write this with wrote this with Terry Sock Chuck
Speaker 1: and Dylan Altman. So when you wrote this, it wasn't
Speaker 1: written with Jake and mind. We just wrote it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: where were you at Calfour where I used to write
Speaker 1: and the upstairs it's like they finished out the attic area,
Speaker 1: so I'd go up there. Made me look like a giant,
Speaker 1: complete giant person. You are a complete but no, no,
Speaker 1: you are a complete giant person. Nothing needs to make
Speaker 1: Everyone's like you're so tall. I'm like, well, I'm only
Speaker 1: like four inches tall. I CD cover. You know, at
Speaker 1: least you don't have to take arm pits. And that
Speaker 1: was a conversation that you don't have to take arm pits. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you write this song Barefoot Blue gen Night. What
Speaker 1: did it sound like on the recording? Like if you
Speaker 1: guys like recorded the demo, pretty close to that, Pretty
Speaker 1: close to that. I'll tell you a story on that.
Speaker 1: Jake is stand up awesome dude. We actually he actually
Speaker 1: changed a couple of lines, a couple of words kind
Speaker 1: of more a couple of words in the song. Never
Speaker 1: asked us to be a rider on it, which you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's you. Guys also have to say yes to
Speaker 1: that too. A lot of times people well I don't,
Speaker 1: I haven't had this happen yet. But in theory sometimes
Speaker 1: and make believe land not called Nashville. Sometimes you know,
Speaker 1: people will be like, you know what, I think I
Speaker 1: need to change your word there can we have the
Speaker 1: song and you're like, this is in l A man
Speaker 1: with the grap you it's just not cool. I would
Speaker 1: never do that. You mentioned l A. Here's the difference.
Speaker 1: So what's songwriting? The good people are moving here from
Speaker 1: l That's true, there are a lot of this is
Speaker 1: where to move to to write. But so if three
Speaker 1: people write a song, it's thirty three. But if it
Speaker 1: costs like two million dollars to buy like a five
Speaker 1: d square foot house, you probably just have to rip
Speaker 1: off all your friends. Yes, it's less expensive here in
Speaker 1: l A. You can write part of a song and
Speaker 1: get ten percent of a song. Right. There are two
Speaker 1: different kind of song writing rules. There are national rules.
Speaker 1: If there are three people in the room, everybody gets
Speaker 1: a third of the song. Right if you're in l
Speaker 1: A if you contribute ten percent, and that's what's negotiated,
Speaker 1: you get ten of the song. And that's the difference.
Speaker 1: And the two were uh in this theoretical world. Have
Speaker 1: you heard of stories where people just go sit in
Speaker 1: a room and don't really add much, but they're in
Speaker 1: the room and they get writing credit. And this is
Speaker 1: this is the universal. Just one thing I will say,
Speaker 1: there are some just really good vibe people that somehow
Speaker 1: when they step in the room, great songs are written,
Speaker 1: even if they only said like two words like I'm
Speaker 1: totally moving to Nashville. I got good vibes. Everyone knows
Speaker 1: I got good No. But I mean that's usually just
Speaker 1: the off day where it's like you're a great writer
Speaker 1: and you're you know, you're just staring at me the
Speaker 1: whole time. But now it's uh songs. It's just a
Speaker 1: wild process. I mean, we all have our on days
Speaker 1: and off days. Um, but it is. But but to
Speaker 1: get back to it, props to Jake. I mean the
Speaker 1: like he changed what was it the I'm never gonna
Speaker 1: uh it was a second verse. It was down blue
Speaker 1: eyes Auburn. Here is sitting looking pretty on the deck
Speaker 1: by my cousin in a launcher, and it was like,
Speaker 1: by your cousin, like we like now we changed that, Natalie,
Speaker 1: it was like, what the crap, Like, we're not like
Speaker 1: twelve or in Sesstuary cousin, but by the deck by
Speaker 1: that it was originally on the deck in a launcher,
Speaker 1: and Jake was like, by the final launcher, dude, with
Speaker 1: the crap, that's just better looking. And there it is,
Speaker 1: did the town new to me? Ruby red lips sitting
Speaker 1: on sweet Teo that was originally shot me a look
Speaker 1: like a shooting staring grabbed the bar of my ogata,
Speaker 1: so that originally was I grabbed the keys to my
Speaker 1: daddy's car. We wrote around underneath the stars, Allen to
Speaker 1: singing our favor was on. I mean he he basically
Speaker 1: he made it totally fit everyone's scene. And he didn't.
Speaker 1: He didn't come back and go, hey, I'll take a quarter.
Speaker 1: He didn't, you know, and uh, I mean props to him,
Speaker 1: I mean, with with that amount changed, he just didn't.
Speaker 1: He's a songwriter. He was like, you know what, y'all
Speaker 1: wrote a great song. Here's a cool thing, and he knows.
Speaker 1: On the artist end, he's gonna be fine because he's
Speaker 1: gonna get to play the show every night. That's the
Speaker 1: biggest as long as he wants. So you have Jake
Speaker 1: Owen's the biggest song, Well, Jake, Jake, Jake was the messenger,
Speaker 1: so I think perfectly. It's like you wrote the song
Speaker 1: for Jake. Is weird? Did you? Natalie did good job, babe.
Speaker 1: I pitched the fire out of that song, and they're
Speaker 1: some artists in town. He would probably be pretty badders response.
Speaker 1: Oh so, I like it will turn the song down. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's so crazy that Jake got it because that's such
Speaker 1: a Jake song. It worked great, you know, knows something wild.
Speaker 1: Jake and Jared Neeman originally did it as a dude
Speaker 1: as like they both sang on it together, and then somehow,
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened. I actually heard it. It It
Speaker 1: was fun and it was just like, you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna keep this for myself. I'm not sure
Speaker 1: I said this is a Jake song. Yeah, Jared, you
Speaker 1: are dude, but this is not the time for you
Speaker 1: to be on a song. That's what I was told
Speaker 1: by one of the parties involved. And so they did
Speaker 1: record it as a yeah that and that was the
Speaker 1: first recording I heard of it, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this is fun, sounds cool. Who's Frankie? Huh, who's Frankie?
Speaker 1: Who knows? I just said, okay, but the the I
Speaker 1: will say the lighters in the dark in the middle
Speaker 1: of a rock show. Before we started writing the song,
Speaker 1: Dylan Altman, who I loved as a brother, We've written
Speaker 1: together a ton of times, tons of songs together. He uh,
Speaker 1: he was telling us about seeing you two on the
Speaker 1: Joshua Tree tour like in eighties six, eighties seven at
Speaker 1: jfk Uh. He's like from Jersey. I was like, man,
Speaker 1: you turn around, it's like lights in the dock, you know.
Speaker 1: And uh, it was awesome and all these lighters and
Speaker 1: you know, you two concerts. So we were just that's
Speaker 1: kind of where that line came from, shining like lighters
Speaker 1: in the arc in the middle of a rock show. Day.
Speaker 1: I'll never listened that song the same, Like, I just
Speaker 1: learned all of it. It's like I know how to
Speaker 1: put a car together now, Like I don't know anything
Speaker 1: about cars, but I wanted to get taken apart so
Speaker 1: I can kind of put it back together. But it
Speaker 1: was but this is my first hit as a writer,
Speaker 1: you know, this is the first time, and it was
Speaker 1: I had signed my record deal, uh, and then the
Speaker 1: song came out and and it was like, you know
Speaker 1: that I put out a song and it didn't work,
Speaker 1: and put out another song. But it was just it
Speaker 1: was like perfectly a line, like God just said, all right,
Speaker 1: here you go. Here's confidence to know that you still
Speaker 1: that you are supposed to be in Nashville. You're supposed
Speaker 1: to be doing this and uh, even though the artist
Speaker 1: thing hadn't quite taken off, and but guess what, You're
Speaker 1: writing songs that people want to record and want to
Speaker 1: hear and want to sing along too, and radio wants
Speaker 1: to play. And it's just it was a really really
Speaker 1: cool just I'll forever be grateful because it changed my course. Um.
Speaker 1: I never doubted that I could do this, but sometimes
Speaker 1: you're like, wow, it's nothing's working right now. You know,
Speaker 1: I've been writing songs for four or five years straight
Speaker 1: and no one's like had had success with it yet
Speaker 1: on radio. Okay, so that song happens when you get
Speaker 1: your first check. Is it's small? Yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 1: the early it's the early one, so it was like
Speaker 1: the you know, the fifties and forties, so like you
Speaker 1: get like two do you know? That's pretty exciting though, right,
Speaker 1: Like it's amazing check for a song, like wow, I
Speaker 1: just got I just got paid and my song was
Speaker 1: on the radio. It's only amazing the first time you
Speaker 1: get that small check, but it's cool for that first time,
Speaker 1: it's amazing and it's uh actually the first time I
Speaker 1: ever got to check from ASCAP, I think it was
Speaker 1: like for like fifty eight cents and I'm not even sure.
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, yeah, I think it did. It
Speaker 1: did and I did. I don't. I never even cast
Speaker 1: it because like, why that's it's worth more to have it?
Speaker 1: You know? What was your next songwritering hit? So this
Speaker 1: is while the next one was even If It Breaks
Speaker 1: Your Heart that same year, So just been in. I
Speaker 1: had been in town five or six years at that point. Uh,
Speaker 1: just getting to know a ton of people and writing
Speaker 1: and writing and writing, hoping to get a record deal.
Speaker 1: Um wrote this with Will Hoag. He put it on
Speaker 1: his album and all his fans loved it. It was
Speaker 1: kind of like triple A rock Um, which is very
Speaker 1: much country now but um uh. And then Eli young
Speaker 1: Van got to hear it to Cliff Aldridge, which Natalie
Speaker 1: pitched the song of Cliff Um. You can pitch a
Speaker 1: song even though a nartist has already cut it. Absolutely, Okay,
Speaker 1: it happened all the time. Man, I'm gonna cut for
Speaker 1: girls Friday Night. Lady and a Bellum recorded that on
Speaker 1: on the Night album and then and okay, that's true
Speaker 1: about Friday Night. So this is your this is the
Speaker 1: number one for you recorded now if they hadn't went
Speaker 1: one more single, this was the next single, but they
Speaker 1: decided not to go anymore sings. So because they didn't
Speaker 1: put it out of a single, you get to take
Speaker 1: it back and you got to put it out like
Speaker 1: that's like some angels in this town kind of stuffs.
Speaker 1: That's some miracle right there, you know. And it allowed
Speaker 1: my my first album to come out and allows me
Speaker 1: to sit here and you don't even know about me.
Speaker 1: You know that's not true. We met before I knew
Speaker 1: it yourself to be fair fair German out of the
Speaker 1: fourth Theater at the Hall Hall of Fame's Bobby Bones
Speaker 1: is moving in Nashville, and it was like it's like, hey,
Speaker 1: get when I'm from and I was like, where are
Speaker 1: you from? And it was like from Temple, yeah. And
Speaker 1: I was like like, oh, you're Jewish because you lived
Speaker 1: right because northeast of aust Yeah, right where we were basically,
Speaker 1: And so yeah, like our first price conference, which was
Speaker 1: so weird, it seems like ten years ago. Like it
Speaker 1: really it's like two and a half years ago, three
Speaker 1: years ago, three years. How long have we been? How
Speaker 1: long have we been? Three years? Three years? It feels
Speaker 1: like it feels like ten years ago. Oh my goodness.
Speaker 1: It feels like all those all those beautiful nights, all
Speaker 1: these all these wrinkles I have, and great heres from
Speaker 1: from this from this city. You dang, they look good
Speaker 1: on here. Thank you appreciate that a cyber like, look
Speaker 1: at my cyber? Is that gray in there? It's cool man,
Speaker 1: from all the political crab in this town. You're fine.
Speaker 1: Whatever I know yet, tell me about this song right here? Angel, Yeah, Angels.
Speaker 1: I seriously just saw Eric Gunderson at the airport yesterday morning.
Speaker 1: Good eight six of them. I don't even know when
Speaker 1: we land at seven am. Wrote this with him and
Speaker 1: Jeff Copeland, and yeah, I mean, what are the odds
Speaker 1: of that two giant guys named Eric, who both have
Speaker 1: juvenile diabetes, wrote a number one song together. Eric is
Speaker 1: a good dude, and Eric spent through a lot and
Speaker 1: Eric now is like focused and straight up and he
Speaker 1: had a rough time for a bit. And we got
Speaker 1: got to spend a lot of time with them on
Speaker 1: the road because we took him out with this for
Speaker 1: like eight shows or so and they opened forth. Um,
Speaker 1: I really like him good. Yeah, they're grinders and they
Speaker 1: had their up and their way down another work the
Speaker 1: way back up in your root for people like that absolutely,
Speaker 1: So okay, so you have that all right, So let's
Speaker 1: let's talk about all those hit in one year. Like
Speaker 1: I actually I got a CMA Triple Play Award. That
Speaker 1: means you had three number ones in one year. So
Speaker 1: I didn't have any hits as a writer or a
Speaker 1: singer and had a record deal and had, you know,
Speaker 1: everyone rooting for me, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: the damn broke. You know, all these songs and all
Speaker 1: these songs that Natalie had pitched and just hopefully people
Speaker 1: would latch onto And did you put you angel life
Speaker 1: that a lot of other people or was it pick
Speaker 1: up immediately? Actually? I set up a cor with Eric
Speaker 1: and Jeff, and Jeff brought Eric Anderson and in the
Speaker 1: last second, and let me tell the story, I was like.
Speaker 1: He was like, I mean, it's a cool song, but
Speaker 1: it's not true. There's no devil and an angels at
Speaker 1: And I was like, but maybe dark angels, but she's
Speaker 1: not she's a good I mean, I was just getting
Speaker 1: all like spiritual, like it's fine. So he didn't love
Speaker 1: it at first. That's so funny. Well, you know it's
Speaker 1: the number one song. Now you have to play it
Speaker 1: the rest of your life. Yeah, and here we are.
Speaker 1: I love the song to death. So you wrote it
Speaker 1: before the other side, but it hit. They all hit
Speaker 1: at the same time, but it took you. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: they always I was always told, and I always tell
Speaker 1: people now it's like, don't write what's on the radio
Speaker 1: because it's probably at least two years old. Like it
Speaker 1: was written two years ago. It takes about that much
Speaker 1: time for it to get demo and then pitched like this.
Speaker 1: That's so funny that he didn't like this song. I was.
Speaker 1: I mean that at the time though, I was writing
Speaker 1: like one to three songs a day, so I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know anymore. You know, as sucks. How many
Speaker 1: songs do you have on hold right now? I have
Speaker 1: no If you had to guess more than ten, I
Speaker 1: don't know. Sure, I don't know. Well, this is the
Speaker 1: wild thing. I'm on the road so much now, um
Speaker 1: singing what I've always what I've wanted to do, and
Speaker 1: also wanting to write. But it's like it takes so
Speaker 1: much to carry one song, you know, as as a
Speaker 1: as an artist and uh as a singer, and so
Speaker 1: I don't get to write as much now. When I
Speaker 1: get to write it it is with like Lady Anna
Speaker 1: Bellamore or whoever it is. It's hard. You don't let
Speaker 1: anybody right with them right, you block everybody? Block a
Speaker 1: lot of days because Aaron needs sometime haul not so
Speaker 1: much I'm trying to block people. But we definitely he
Speaker 1: has such little time to write that we definitely try
Speaker 1: to put him in rooms where he'll be successful and
Speaker 1: I'll be tired. So why would you send him over
Speaker 1: to do potty party? And when I grow up? Because
Speaker 1: it's fun, because because it's renovating. Man, I just wrote
Speaker 1: a song about not pissing your pants. It's so fun
Speaker 1: to play live you realize how many band members members
Speaker 1: need to have that song. I mean, there's some wild
Speaker 1: people on the road. Adults. Adults love that song. So okay,
Speaker 1: let's talk about right to you. But it depends you're
Speaker 1: on the song with Charles Kelly. But you also wrote
Speaker 1: this right wrote Yeah, I wrote the Driver with him
Speaker 1: and uh, insta class and you got a Grammy nomination
Speaker 1: the right We totally got Anomie nomination for I can't
Speaker 1: even talk. I just made it up. It really was.
Speaker 1: And this was the first time as an artist I've
Speaker 1: been nominated as a Grammy. We we got a Nami,
Speaker 1: got Anomie for a gram Yeah, you got three nous
Speaker 1: tell you, but the first one for even to preak
Speaker 1: your heart for Song of the Year Country Song. You've
Speaker 1: got two Grammy nominations. Crazy man, I've been nominated for
Speaker 1: a few things. It's cool, um dream there is some
Speaker 1: good song. Proud of this song. It's uh, it's it's
Speaker 1: just it's a it's a just a tip of the
Speaker 1: hat too to all the people, the crew, the bus drivers,
Speaker 1: to everybody that gets us there, everyone that you don't see.
Speaker 1: I I call those people behind the walls of OZ.
Speaker 1: It's like everyone just wants to pretend that that Oz
Speaker 1: just appears this giant emerald city and to fill the poppies.
Speaker 1: And you don't realize how much work and how many
Speaker 1: people are there day in and day out building a career. Um,
Speaker 1: and then you show up and for forty five minutes
Speaker 1: or an hour, hour and a half, two hours, four
Speaker 1: hours if you go to see Springsteen, you know that
Speaker 1: that how much effort it goes into it. Like what
Speaker 1: you I mean you should just like with your role
Speaker 1: in sharing music you love, you know, with with people
Speaker 1: so they know to come see the show. And it's Uh,
Speaker 1: this song is just a shout out to all those
Speaker 1: people that build it, all of us on the stage,
Speaker 1: just all of all the singers that we you know,
Speaker 1: pour our whole lives into this, and then the fans
Speaker 1: that pour their lives into it, you know, like coming
Speaker 1: five hours earlier just to stay on the front road
Speaker 1: to wait, yeah, to see it. It's pretty amazing how
Speaker 1: important in your life it's faith to you. It's everything
Speaker 1: to me. Um, I'm smart enough to know I could
Speaker 1: just stay at home and and uh, that being said,
Speaker 1: you still have to be blessed and lucky enough to
Speaker 1: get songs recorded. But I love writing songs, but I
Speaker 1: love sharing songs with people that I don't think others
Speaker 1: would necessarily share. And I don't make it easy on
Speaker 1: myself in that way. But um, I don't know. I've
Speaker 1: I've never doubted that I was on the wrong path
Speaker 1: that God had sent me on to go like all right, Uh,
Speaker 1: this is what's wild. I've gotten to hang out with
Speaker 1: so many juvenile diabetics lately, Um, just doing these angel visits,
Speaker 1: going to hospitals and and go like, hey, there's this
Speaker 1: kid just got diagnosed. We just go get encourage them,
Speaker 1: you know, and uh, just get to meet all these
Speaker 1: juvenile diabetics and we get to do all this fundraising
Speaker 1: for j d r F and all that. And up
Speaker 1: until I was eighteen, I thought I was going to
Speaker 1: be a doctor for that, to be a dibet doctor
Speaker 1: and an inner chronologist and specifically pediatrical and chronologist for
Speaker 1: kids that have that are being diagnosed with diabetes. And
Speaker 1: it's wild how God is taking that career that never happened.
Speaker 1: And now with music, it's like merging it all together
Speaker 1: right before my eyes. It's like I'm getting to raise
Speaker 1: money for what I you know, something I believe in
Speaker 1: to help kids with diabetes, and you know I have
Speaker 1: it too, So it's it's relatable to when I see
Speaker 1: them and go, hey, man, you know, take care of yourself,
Speaker 1: don't Don't you feel better when you test your blood
Speaker 1: and you know where you're at? You know? And and
Speaker 1: I also tell everybody it's like we could have been
Speaker 1: born a hundred years ago and died from this, you know.
Speaker 1: And uh, but it's my faith tells me that what
Speaker 1: I believe in is true because God's just somehow brought
Speaker 1: music and another calling that I thought I was gonna do,
Speaker 1: and now it is is you know, juvenile diabetes, Uh
Speaker 1: together somehow and and uh and even so much more
Speaker 1: getting to just help a lot of people and let
Speaker 1: kids know it's okay to do good stuff. You don't
Speaker 1: just have to be ridiculous online to be famous. Do
Speaker 1: you you feel like God put you on earth for
Speaker 1: a reason. I think you put all of us on
Speaker 1: earth for a reason. Why did I put you on earth?
Speaker 1: Hopefully to glorify Him and let people look up towards him,
Speaker 1: not be uh, not be misled about who he really
Speaker 1: is or jaded to to his love. Because someone used
Speaker 1: his name not for the right reason, you know. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I think I hope that whenever the time
Speaker 1: comes when I'm not here anymore, people go, you know what,
Speaker 1: God used him to bring me closer to God. I
Speaker 1: was talking to Garth, not in like that's just what
Speaker 1: I believe, not not for me, and that's totally not
Speaker 1: looking at me. I um no, I I wonder And
Speaker 1: I know you're such faith based. And I met your
Speaker 1: parents who were awesome, by the way. They're fun people
Speaker 1: and they were missionaries Nomad's right now. They freaking sold
Speaker 1: their house there in an RV just cruising around him.
Speaker 1: They are yeah, damn But for them though, like they've
Speaker 1: lived in some pretty cool places, right, Yeah. Well, my
Speaker 1: dad was telephone man, like for thirty years. He worked
Speaker 1: with South Southwestern Bell so he's a manager. And we
Speaker 1: were the first to have Caller I d in all
Speaker 1: of Bell County. Was crazy. When it came out, they
Speaker 1: call me, I'd be like, hey, Carson's the first one
Speaker 1: to have Colorady in your talent totally and the whole
Speaker 1: count You had to be the coolest because when it
Speaker 1: came out, we were maybe even the first in Austin area.
Speaker 1: It was so cool. If you're below like twenty five
Speaker 1: right now, you have no idea how color I d
Speaker 1: changed our lives. Yeah. Used to you had to answer
Speaker 1: every call and really answer this is what I hate to.
Speaker 1: You had to answer it with the question hello, Hello.
Speaker 1: People still do that now and I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's it's just say hate strange person. Yes, but yeah.
Speaker 1: So he worked with Southwestern Bell worked their thirty years.
Speaker 1: He was in the Navy electricians, so it fed into
Speaker 1: being ah in the telephone company with all those wires
Speaker 1: running everywhere, it all makes sense to me and like
Speaker 1: your creation, Yeah, he's I guess he showed me. I mean,
Speaker 1: he showed me how to wire up stuff. So that's
Speaker 1: why I'm not afraid to do electrical work or built
Speaker 1: things he built. We built a lot of stuff together,
Speaker 1: the create the creative part of you, the faith based
Speaker 1: part of you. Like it all kind of makes sense,
Speaker 1: all the puzzle that's slowly going together, getting put together.
Speaker 1: So when did they decide to be missionaries? So we
Speaker 1: had a neighbor that was from Thailand across the street
Speaker 1: and my mom and her were good friends. And then
Speaker 1: we had a lady named on Sinakim over from she
Speaker 1: was a I thought she was like like, they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: she's a teacher in Bangkok. Turns out she's like the
Speaker 1: head honcho principal at like the best school in Bangkok.
Speaker 1: So she came and lived with us for two or
Speaker 1: three months. She was studying out of college there. Um,
Speaker 1: and so I knew this sweet little woman that would
Speaker 1: like make the most incredible tie food I've ever had
Speaker 1: in our kitchen. I was probably a senior in high
Speaker 1: school then. And uh so my dad retired and it
Speaker 1: was like, hey, we know people in Thailand and let's go.
Speaker 1: And they went for six months and it ended up
Speaker 1: being like six years. They speak fluent Thaie. It's pretty amazing.
Speaker 1: And the coolest thing is are for me, the coolest
Speaker 1: thing about that was is I got I got to
Speaker 1: get out of American bubble. I like got to go
Speaker 1: all around the world and go that's this really, isn't that, fay?
Speaker 1: You know, like the world is pretty small. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: the whole scheme of things now and to go. I
Speaker 1: don't know what that guy just said to me, but
Speaker 1: I know he's my friend. It's crazy that you say
Speaker 1: that because I've only just discovered that, like the last
Speaker 1: two to three years, I never went anywhere. You've been
Speaker 1: traveling a bunch of cool places, man, Yeah, in the
Speaker 1: last two years. Because again I grew up in Arkansas.
Speaker 1: We do. I don't love a kid any money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we had to eat. We want a vacation. Why to
Speaker 1: get school closed? Same here as a kid. We well
Speaker 1: we hopefully got like one vacation here. So I got
Speaker 1: spoiled with that. I remember, you got to go with
Speaker 1: your buddies. I went to call rot. I want my buddies.
Speaker 1: Parents paid for it, and so very cool. Now I've
Speaker 1: never been at the country, but I went to London
Speaker 1: a year and a half ago and about myself just
Speaker 1: to see over a couple of days right now. And
Speaker 1: so I go and I'm like, okay, this is it's
Speaker 1: it's really not that far away. And then I went
Speaker 1: to Japan and that's the other side of the world.
Speaker 1: And even as I'm there and we speak nothing the same,
Speaker 1: the people part of it is still the same. If not,
Speaker 1: they're kinder than us. Like I was just like wow,
Speaker 1: like they're actually more loving than like it was yes,
Speaker 1: even though it's the other side of the world. It
Speaker 1: was like we're all just still kind of the same
Speaker 1: kind of thing. I went to Iceland. It was amazing.
Speaker 1: The nicest people, Like, everybody's nicer than That's kind of
Speaker 1: what I've determined. Everywhere ever you go, they're nicer than
Speaker 1: we are. In the States, well they're just you know,
Speaker 1: just afraid of you. Because I got on the subway
Speaker 1: and I felt like in Japan I was a giant.
Speaker 1: I was to you. Here I got to feel I
Speaker 1: was like, man, I'm like Eric Pasley because I was
Speaker 1: taller than everybody. Started singing sound great, Yeah, I sund
Speaker 1: it great. I mentioned Garth a minute ago because he
Speaker 1: said before he died, the last thing you wanted to
Speaker 1: hear was a dance. That's what he said. And he
Speaker 1: didn't cut almost didn't cut the dance. And I was
Speaker 1: talking to him about it and I said, hey, so
Speaker 1: tell me about the dance and you He's like, listen.
Speaker 1: I was then the guy that wasn't country. I was
Speaker 1: then the guy that this isn't shouldn't be on the
Speaker 1: radio because this is not what country is that I'm
Speaker 1: swinging him from the ropes on his stage. He said
Speaker 1: that that that he was not going to cut the
Speaker 1: dance at all because it wasn't country enough, like that
Speaker 1: song was not country and had Steve Reynolds not come
Speaker 1: to him and said, dude, if you don't cut this song,
Speaker 1: you will regret it, and he said it was that's
Speaker 1: the only reason he cut the dance incredible song. We'll
Speaker 1: think about that. They're just a piano part at the beginning.
Speaker 1: They want. Nobody was doing that, you know, And it's
Speaker 1: just it's what's happening now too. And Michael, what tol
Speaker 1: me about? Because Johnny Cash from Arkansas, From Arkansas, you
Speaker 1: look up to everybody from Arkansas that's made. She would say.
Speaker 1: People would protest Johnny Cash concerts because he was a
Speaker 1: country he was rock and roll right, And how do
Speaker 1: people not see the cycle that happens over and over
Speaker 1: and over and over and over over and over and
Speaker 1: over again. It's happened eighty times, yet everyone thinks this
Speaker 1: time is the wrong time. Right now. I always say, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, Hank, Hank, Hank Junior in country as Daddy was,
Speaker 1: you know, and Willie's just some hippie from Texas, you know,
Speaker 1: God forbid and I and I know that when Kenny
Speaker 1: Rogers and Dollies sang Islands in the Stream like Hell
Speaker 1: Froze over, and it's like then you go back and
Speaker 1: you go, oh, you know what. You know, It's like
Speaker 1: you listen to crews like Floor George, You're like that
Speaker 1: pretty Dann Good song. That's that's as country as it
Speaker 1: can be right now now. And it was like and
Speaker 1: that was only like three or four years ago. So
Speaker 1: it really is. I mean, people are afraid to change
Speaker 1: and and and music has always changed because if it didn't,
Speaker 1: we get really be bored with it. You know, it's
Speaker 1: it would die. And if you never wanted something new,
Speaker 1: it would there'd only be the one song ever. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's it's a bummer that people do. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's just it's scary when things change. I'm not here,
Speaker 1: but if if it stayed the same, it would die
Speaker 1: with the people who loved it, it would and the
Speaker 1: newer generations that's being influenced by ninety different things would
Speaker 1: not attach themselves to it and it would just go away.
Speaker 1: I don't think people understand. It frustrates me. I mean
Speaker 1: that really gets under way. But the wild thing that is,
Speaker 1: like what's what's new was what was old? You know,
Speaker 1: and it's just it's all close music everything. I was
Speaker 1: just thinking, like adele Amy Winehouse. I mean, it's British
Speaker 1: chicks singing what Aretha Franklin did, and yeah with current
Speaker 1: lyrics and incredible voices. You know, but it's a um.
Speaker 1: We started covering a dull song on the road snatchat
Speaker 1: it's fun, it's it's really freaking people out, man, not really,
Speaker 1: what's uh set Fire to the Rain? Uh? Yeah, how's
Speaker 1: that starting on the road now? Yeah, you're Angels in
Speaker 1: This Town Tour. I love the song so much we
Speaker 1: just decided to call it call the whole tour Angels
Speaker 1: in This Town Tour. All right, let's talk about this song.
Speaker 1: I love this song. A song about a girl. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Natalie was in this video, wasn't. Yeah that's right. We
Speaker 1: weren't even engaged yet, so you were just dating. Were
Speaker 1: you secretly dating or were you dating? People knew we
Speaker 1: were dating? Okay, so then you were dating. There was
Speaker 1: a time that we people couldn't know you were dating.
Speaker 1: We pretty much just the Yeah, I mean we would
Speaker 1: secretively hang out ish, so you secretly dated. It was bizarre. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, I get it. Song about a girl talk
Speaker 1: about it for a second. It's strange and it's perfect
Speaker 1: coming by this song. So yeah, you're you're saying sometimes
Speaker 1: on ahead of I the thought was, you know, the
Speaker 1: original thought was everybody's seeing about tailgates like they're not sexy.
Speaker 1: It's only the chicks sitting in it that's sexy, you know.
Speaker 1: And like the water tower. The water tower is the
Speaker 1: most boring, ugly thing in our town. But if my
Speaker 1: girlfriend's name is on it, that now that's a song
Speaker 1: about a girl. You know, you're not drown the bottle
Speaker 1: of jack unless you're getting over, you know, or finding
Speaker 1: the guests to ask route. So we were, you know,
Speaker 1: we were slightly being smart, going like it's not about
Speaker 1: a tailgate or a bonfire. It's about the girl though,
Speaker 1: you know, and that's what this song is about. And
Speaker 1: I just thought this is the coolest. I think this
Speaker 1: is the coolest sounding track on my first album, you know,
Speaker 1: as far as just attitude and cool, which, by the way,
Speaker 1: I just moved into a new house. I have a
Speaker 1: new studio set up. There are people in my Oh man,
Speaker 1: so long three years that I've been your holy crap,
Speaker 1: it's been a long three years. But there are people
Speaker 1: that I've attached to as people and in my business.
Speaker 1: And what I do. You get a lot of stuff
Speaker 1: thrown at you from me, and like people like hey,
Speaker 1: my best friend, Hey, let me here's some pretty stuff. Hey,
Speaker 1: here's the plaque. No, no no, I don't want it that.
Speaker 1: I don't want it at all, Like that's the opposite
Speaker 1: of what I want. But I only keep like this
Speaker 1: is a room. I only have six things up in
Speaker 1: this room. And it's because of Kelsey Ballerinia have her
Speaker 1: first number one plaque, because I mean, she's she's killing
Speaker 1: it now. But I remember Kelsey before she had a
Speaker 1: record deal. I knew Kelsey when she was just signed
Speaker 1: as a writer. I knew Kelsey the Christmas party when
Speaker 1: she got offered a record deal. And then you can't
Speaker 1: even like I'm going on a radio tour, what I'll
Speaker 1: do for advice? And then we took her out on
Speaker 1: our first tour and she cried and I went back
Speaker 1: and I was like, listen, Kelsey, you're gonna screw up
Speaker 1: in a much bigger places than this, Like you you're
Speaker 1: gonna screw up in such big places. Don't worry about
Speaker 1: Kansas and Raging Idiot Show like, that's the Kelsey that
Speaker 1: I started with. So I have a plaque of Kelsey's
Speaker 1: first number one. Awesome. Girl Crushed from a Little Big
Speaker 1: Town was just a song on the record that should
Speaker 1: have never been played ever, and it should have never
Speaker 1: been played. I got so much trouble. Natalie played me
Speaker 1: that song the second the day after it was written,
Speaker 1: morning after. Who's sang the like the demo? Hillary, Lindsay,
Speaker 1: Laurie McKenna. Yeah, they love jockeys, They've told a story. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I had them on the show as writers and I
Speaker 1: don't have writers in their office. I love Laura McKenna
Speaker 1: so much. She's she's awesome. Yeah, can you tell me
Speaker 1: go to Boston? Yeah, whoever's like in the band, like
Speaker 1: Natalie stove Ball or Lindsay l They'll go. They'll go
Speaker 1: right with her Boston. So I have a Little Big
Speaker 1: Town from their kids. Girl carst sold. But that was
Speaker 1: a song that I heard on the record while they
Speaker 1: were still uh drink um drinking was trying to be
Speaker 1: number one. I was like, you have to your girl.
Speaker 1: I told Natalie that, I said, this is the only
Speaker 1: time and at the time, Note radio was not playing
Speaker 1: girls at all. It was before the tomatoes thing that
Speaker 1: led girls in it was that's a whole other story,
Speaker 1: you know. But um but I said, this is the
Speaker 1: only time I wish I was a girl in the
Speaker 1: country radio right now, because I totally cut this. But
Speaker 1: the thing was, it was so awful for so long,
Speaker 1: because first of all, I played it, and I got
Speaker 1: in trouble because I had station managers yelling at me
Speaker 1: because I was playing a lesbian song, and so I
Speaker 1: put but it went to number one on iTunes, and
Speaker 1: so I could at least show them data. And I guess,
Speaker 1: if you want to, it could be fun, I guess,
Speaker 1: but it's not really And if you have data, you
Speaker 1: can always point to it. I'm like, people are spending
Speaker 1: their all money on this song. So what they did
Speaker 1: is they tested it. My company spent money testing me
Speaker 1: talking about it to see if our listeners were turned
Speaker 1: off and changed the channel by it. I got so
Speaker 1: much trouble over it. I had a friend that works
Speaker 1: with Washington Post articles written whatever history happens Boom that
Speaker 1: songs like the biggest song of blows up. So I
Speaker 1: keep a plaque up of that. And then I have
Speaker 1: four records by four different friends and their their vinyl records.
Speaker 1: Chris Jansen, who is just a solid dude, Like you
Speaker 1: talk about a guy that has been through some rough
Speaker 1: times and come out to the other side of it.
Speaker 1: Like if that dude in my pinky, I would cut
Speaker 1: it off and say here's the pinky. I know you
Speaker 1: need one. So I got Jansen and a record Urban
Speaker 1: who's always been so kind like things don't even talk about,
Speaker 1: Like he's so kind. He played he played on Dressed
Speaker 1: in Black, the title truck track on the album that's
Speaker 1: waiting to come out someday. Really yeah, that's cool, and
Speaker 1: you know what that sounds like. He's just like, what
Speaker 1: what do you want to do? I'll do whatever you want.
Speaker 1: I'm in town, Hey, well are you send me? Like
Speaker 1: He's been probably the most secretive friend that I had,
Speaker 1: because I'm like, he never asks for anything. He just cool.
Speaker 1: I have a Marin Marin record and who was also
Speaker 1: this Sonice, like she's like the kids and I listened
Speaker 1: to you every morning that we're in town and I'm like,
Speaker 1: is this for real? Gold Camp? But stop talking to me?
Speaker 1: It was weird. So and then I have a Marin
Speaker 1: because we would old music off the internet. For a
Speaker 1: Mirror and played on the radio before she before she
Speaker 1: was five times CMA nominated Mirror and then Avaneric Passley.
Speaker 1: There I am, there he is, there's are Those are
Speaker 1: the six things that I have up on the wall
Speaker 1: in this room. Six people that I'm like, you know,
Speaker 1: people including any buddy. Well you you probably the first one.
Speaker 1: You and Kelsey are like the first. Here we go,
Speaker 1: so chronologically, that's why I'm at the bottom. Not really,
Speaker 1: I'm not at the bottom. Let's talk about this one here.
Speaker 1: Never really wanted my very first single, and uh, I
Speaker 1: just thought it sounded cool, you know, and I was like,
Speaker 1: maybe ticks will be intrigued by this. You don't want me?
Speaker 1: Oh now you do? Yeah you do. Did you get
Speaker 1: into music for girls? Absolutely? Yeah, yeah you do. I
Speaker 1: mean I always thought about I was like, do you
Speaker 1: think the coolest kid in school? This is what I
Speaker 1: always think it's like. And this is for the coolest
Speaker 1: kid in school also to remember to keep reaching. It's
Speaker 1: it's like, if you're the coolest kid in school, you
Speaker 1: don't have time to go to your bedroom and pick
Speaker 1: up a guitar by yourself and write a really slow
Speaker 1: love song and hope your parents don't hear you write
Speaker 1: in a song, you know, or figuring out how to
Speaker 1: play guitar and uh, and it's uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: think you know, like Steven Tyler you talking, he just
Speaker 1: always got made fun of. He's like everybody always made
Speaker 1: fun of my lips, you know, and all this and that,
Speaker 1: and I got made fun of in school and I
Speaker 1: mean make jaggers. I mean he probably got made. You
Speaker 1: just think, Tom Petty, I don't. I don't really see
Speaker 1: those as being like the you're you're the homecoming king.
Speaker 1: But that being said, if you are, don't forget to
Speaker 1: keep reaching. But it's yes, but we all did it
Speaker 1: for girls. Absolutely, we're all low life. We just we
Speaker 1: just never got girls. We never get. We never get
Speaker 1: girls made us drove us to do what we do
Speaker 1: and that you'll get there, buddy, be fine by this.
Speaker 1: The first second. I haven't played this one yet. This
Speaker 1: is Rewind. Yeah. UM wrote it with Ashley Gorley and
Speaker 1: Krista Stephano and they didn't do one thing on the recording.
Speaker 1: That took me in like thirty minutes to finally do.
Speaker 1: So I sang rewind and uh, and then we reversed
Speaker 1: it and it was like near We're or something, just ridiculous.
Speaker 1: So I sang it backwards and then we flipped it
Speaker 1: back so it sounded like it was like rewind, so
Speaker 1: where it was it was just ridiculous. So basically, basically
Speaker 1: I wanted to sing it backwards. We flipped it over
Speaker 1: so it was literally me singing it in rewind, but
Speaker 1: then it sounded like rewind and and the guy's the
Speaker 1: look on your face is the exact look Gary Lavox
Speaker 1: gave me, like you did what and why don't you
Speaker 1: have just saying read wind? You know? And they didn't
Speaker 1: do what you I don't think they even realized that.
Speaker 1: They're like, oh, that was a weird. He was really
Speaker 1: ring there, stepping on some who thinks of that to
Speaker 1: actually go, I'm gonna sing it backwards so I can
Speaker 1: play it. I had next minutes before my next code, right,
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, let's try it. Actually left long
Speaker 1: before He's like, I gotta go, and Chris was like fine,
Speaker 1: but now I love writing with those guys. We we
Speaker 1: just wrote another hit. Who knows it'll find its home somewhere.
Speaker 1: I just saw and talked to Stefanough for right like
Speaker 1: forty five minutes other night. Like, I don't know a
Speaker 1: lot of people that aren't that on the surface, you know,
Speaker 1: but I've gotten to know a few because I'm like
Speaker 1: one of my dearest friends, Lee Miller, Lee Thomas Miller
Speaker 1: as a writer, like one of my he cares go
Speaker 1: to I'll go to like go to his house and
Speaker 1: have dinner. Friend Like, he's like such a and he
Speaker 1: wrote for those that are listening, and we're gonna have
Speaker 1: him in here sometime soon. But he wrote um in
Speaker 1: color from Jamie Johnson. He wrote like a ton of
Speaker 1: Brad Paisley stuff, like he wrote, you know, big songwriter,
Speaker 1: but even better human in better dude. So Lee was like, Hey,
Speaker 1: come play a songwriter around with me. And I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: I'll play a couple of funny songs whatever. So I
Speaker 1: get up. I don't know what I'm doing right, and
Speaker 1: it's during what's a song writter first called Tin South. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't even know what it is, right. This is
Speaker 1: how clueless I am. He's like, Hey, we're doing this
Speaker 1: thing at tip Pan South. Are you in town? And
Speaker 1: I happen to be in town. I was like one
Speaker 1: of the Thursday, Friday Saturdays I was in town. I
Speaker 1: was like, hey, I can't play with you. I'll play
Speaker 1: like He's like, just you play like four songs. And
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, that's not really my thing to get
Speaker 1: up by myself and do music. Music. I do see
Speaker 1: up comedy and I add music to it, or I
Speaker 1: get a big band and we play our songs. So
Speaker 1: I get up and he's like, hey, a couple of
Speaker 1: the guys gonna show up and play whatever. I'm like, cool, whatever.
Speaker 1: So I get up and it's Lee to the left,
Speaker 1: and it's me and sitting beside me, it's christ As Stephano,
Speaker 1: who has written a hundred like all right, like he
Speaker 1: did Carrie Underwood Something in the Water him and he
Speaker 1: sang it, and he sang it as good as Carrie
Speaker 1: Underwood can sing. It's pretty good. He's very pretty good singer.
Speaker 1: And next to Chris was Ashley Gourley. So it's a
Speaker 1: fourth person. And actually Go has written just recently, he
Speaker 1: wrote with Dan and Jay and he wrote from the
Speaker 1: ground up. He wrote Cole Swindell, you should be here
Speaker 1: with Cole like these guys are. And so it's Lee, Chris, Stephano,
Speaker 1: Ashley Gorley and me now, which one doesn't belong of
Speaker 1: that four Noah, the fact, So he was so Chris
Speaker 1: was so kind to me, and I saw him. I
Speaker 1: went to Kelsey's I've been to two number one parties
Speaker 1: in my life, Kelsey's the first number one song and
Speaker 1: Kelsey's last number one song, and Christmas they're wearing a
Speaker 1: pim and Joy head and I was like, dude, did
Speaker 1: you know it was coming? And he was like, no,
Speaker 1: I had no idea. And so, by the way, I
Speaker 1: see pim and Joy hats in the crowds all the time.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's cool, that's all, but good dude. Chris
Speaker 1: Stephan was a good dude. And you wrote that with
Speaker 1: him and Ashley and my my co players. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: the only song. We've only written two songs together, the
Speaker 1: one I was just talking about in this one. So
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, we just wrote another really good song.
Speaker 1: As we wrote about Amounts, goes like, well, maybe we'll
Speaker 1: keep batting a thousand. We'll see that means you're hitting
Speaker 1: the baseball perfectly. What, Yeah, I think most people in case, um,
Speaker 1: so this album that that you talked about, what's again
Speaker 1: take for like this thing to happen faith. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: fair enough. I gotta have faith in listeners and faith
Speaker 1: in radio to play man, never have faith in radio. Oh,
Speaker 1: I still gotta have faith in them. I know that
Speaker 1: they want to play great music. They will whatever I mean.
Speaker 1: I guess I can be frustrated for you. I'm frustrated,
Speaker 1: but I but I understand that that energy is worth
Speaker 1: not not worth. It's not good for business to be
Speaker 1: if you want to get uninspired. We were my good friend,
Speaker 1: we were talking about it. I said, at the beginning,
Speaker 1: it's like you got a plant in water. The moment
Speaker 1: you try to start making something grow that you literally
Speaker 1: don't have the power to do is when you get jaded.
Speaker 1: So I don't want to start trying to like push
Speaker 1: push greenly was out of the ground that I'm not
Speaker 1: capable of doing. I can. I mean, I could fabricate it,
Speaker 1: but that's not the person that I am, you know,
Speaker 1: And that's uh. If you'd like to fabricate it'd be grateful.
Speaker 1: Punch a horse in the face, right, I shouldn't do that. No,
Speaker 1: he stole a horse. He didn't punch a horse at
Speaker 1: he's still a cops horse. Course, yeah, he's still Well,
Speaker 1: it's a whole long story. He he was actually apparently
Speaker 1: flirting with the sheriff's daughter who had the horse, and said, yeah,
Speaker 1: sure you can ride it. So he got on it
Speaker 1: and then the other sheriff saw, like, get off, and
Speaker 1: they pulled him down, and then Tom or Tim mcgrawl
Speaker 1: saw it. I'm probably making all that, but basically, yeah
Speaker 1: it was. It was a big ordeal. But yes, I
Speaker 1: need to go steal a horse. I shouldn't punch a horse, Okay,
Speaker 1: fair enough, just punch anybody. Yeah, it accidentally steal a
Speaker 1: horse quote unquote, No, I mean it really is funny.
Speaker 1: I need to go do something ridiculous but not bad.
Speaker 1: I'd be like, hey, no, not bad. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's weird entertaining people. Here's a weird thing. Like for me.
Speaker 1: You have to do your philanthropic stuff for yourself. It
Speaker 1: has to like fill your own heart because people don't
Speaker 1: really people don't care like I do it. I do
Speaker 1: it because it makes me feel good because if it
Speaker 1: wasn't for other people helping me growing up, I want
Speaker 1: to be in this spot right now. So I feel
Speaker 1: like it's my job to give back what was given
Speaker 1: to me. I just would not be here without the
Speaker 1: help of my youth director at church, my head football coach,
Speaker 1: these people in my life that came out out of
Speaker 1: nowhere and help me get from point A to wherever
Speaker 1: I am now might be point L. Maybe this is
Speaker 1: point Z. I don't know where I all my life.
Speaker 1: But that's why I give back for no other reason,
Speaker 1: And if it was for any other reason, then it
Speaker 1: just isn't effective. Your hearts really not into it in
Speaker 1: the right way. But here's the thing people don't care
Speaker 1: about that. People care about tabloid covers. So that's why
Speaker 1: people are like, hey, I want to I'm like, you
Speaker 1: do philanthropic stuff for your own like other I will
Speaker 1: be on the curve of Playgirl coming up. Did you
Speaker 1: see that? That doesn't I don't think they existed. I
Speaker 1: don't think so. But you can bring it back. You can.
Speaker 1: You can have say you were hacked and put a
Speaker 1: picture of your you know, and then that would make
Speaker 1: I was hacked. That would make the news. Yeah, nobody
Speaker 1: would believe. But it's you know, you do so much
Speaker 1: and you do it for you and that's what's great.
Speaker 1: The weird thing is, unless you're again punching a horse
Speaker 1: or cheating on your wife or nobody cares about that stuff.
Speaker 1: That's what's weird. That's what's weird about an icelander Japan
Speaker 1: or I think the people that speak up don't care
Speaker 1: about it. The people that enjoy it are just people
Speaker 1: living their lives and working hard most of the time.
Speaker 1: But we still all want to be entertained. Um. But
Speaker 1: I still believe that people don't always want to hear
Speaker 1: bad news. People like good news now because there's so
Speaker 1: much bad news. Yeah, it's like over consuming of bad news.
Speaker 1: Our strongest segment is tell me something good every day.
Speaker 1: People don't even people don't even know that too, totally
Speaker 1: a song, and people like I heard your jingle at
Speaker 1: the grocer's. I'm like, no, no, no, that's a real song.
Speaker 1: We've been doing that, that that segment for twelve years, right,
Speaker 1: and we do it every dayb and no no, no, no,
Speaker 1: not good Jobay. Some days I'm like, I'm so tired
Speaker 1: of this, But then I remember what it brings to people,
Speaker 1: Like everybody doesn't do it every day here every time,
Speaker 1: like me, I heard every single time, I recorded every
Speaker 1: single time. Sometimes I'm like on a Tuesday, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I gotta help more good. How about telling me something funny,
Speaker 1: tell me something bad, but but I gotta remember something bad.
Speaker 1: Keep putting it out there, and it really is a
Speaker 1: good thing. It really, it really is a good thing.
Speaker 1: You're a good dude. I appreciate you. You're just kind
Speaker 1: of sharing your your life story. Man. It's crazy like
Speaker 1: you have you have a book in you. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: written every day and you have a book in you.
Speaker 1: You have a book in you. We'll get there. I
Speaker 1: still got a lot more songs to put out there
Speaker 1: before I start, you know, showing people behind the curtain
Speaker 1: too far. Here's the Lady a version of Friday Night
Speaker 1: that they didn't put it as a single. Crazy crazy,
Speaker 1: pretty wild, pretty wild. Yeah, thank goodness, they didn't put
Speaker 1: that out of a single. I'm you know, and that's
Speaker 1: that's the wild thing. It's like plant and water out
Speaker 1: like I couldn't. I mean, that wasn't up to me
Speaker 1: that they didn't put it out. I wanted them to
Speaker 1: put it out. I was like, please put out the single.
Speaker 1: And I was bummed about it, you know, I was like,
Speaker 1: it's a bummer. They put out like all ballads and
Speaker 1: I was the only up tempo on the whole album
Speaker 1: and they didn't put it out. And there you go
Speaker 1: Number one. Ever know you never you never know. That's
Speaker 1: the great thing. You wake up every day. There are
Speaker 1: a million possibilities. I've been finding million dollars. I've won
Speaker 1: a c M awards. I've been had both spectrums and
Speaker 1: both those days I didn't know other one was gonna happen.
Speaker 1: And tomorrow I get fired. Tomorrow I get a TV show.
Speaker 1: You're getting fired. I could very easily. I want to fire.
Speaker 1: When I got find a million dollars like that was
Speaker 1: a that was some intense stuff. Man, I got find seven.
Speaker 1: There's only been a few of us have been like
Speaker 1: there's a club of people who have been fine over
Speaker 1: a million dollars by the FCC. Yeah, I'm in the club.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no to be And I mean
Speaker 1: you got to, you know, punch something of it. It
Speaker 1: made me reappreciate every single thing, and it reset me
Speaker 1: because I was out of control a little bit and
Speaker 1: it was like back. I almost think it was on purpose,
Speaker 1: like some weird things said okay McGrady by the caller,
Speaker 1: and I'll make you understand and appreciate where you who
Speaker 1: you are and where you came from boom, set me
Speaker 1: right back back in the chair, and it was like, okay,
Speaker 1: it just re reset my life and it was like, okay,
Speaker 1: I can't beat this what I was starting to be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so yeah, it's crazy, I think even musically right now. Um,
Speaker 1: I remember when I recorded Friday Night, I was at
Speaker 1: a place I never really wanted. Didn't work. Fish don't by,
Speaker 1: It didn't work. That whole them that we had really
Speaker 1: was four or five years old at the time that
Speaker 1: they were promoting the Mine, and I was like, you
Speaker 1: know what, and there's pictures of me, this big old beard.
Speaker 1: I just grew it out because I didn't care anymore.
Speaker 1: I was like, it doesn't matter what I looked like
Speaker 1: like right now, I'm just gonna make some music that
Speaker 1: I love and and all that, and uh, I think
Speaker 1: I'm I'm definitely back in that spot. It's like, you
Speaker 1: don't people always tell you what they think of it is,
Speaker 1: but ultimately they just want the side effect of a hit.
Speaker 1: It's up to us to just create great music, fun music,
Speaker 1: and and you to play thank you. It's all on me,
Speaker 1: only on you. I hear the ultra music as it
Speaker 1: wrapped this up when you moved to Nashville and you
Speaker 1: went to college. I'd like to thank the academy. You
Speaker 1: moved to Nashville to study music what what what goal
Speaker 1: in mind? I went to school to study music business
Speaker 1: with the goal of getting a stick around and doing
Speaker 1: what I do. Now, what jobs did you have to
Speaker 1: get by just so you could eat? I valet I
Speaker 1: worked at Starbucks and that I parked almost every car
Speaker 1: and make almost every latte. Again, would you ever park
Speaker 1: a car of any country music superstar and be like, oh, man,
Speaker 1: I want to be this. I totally want to leave
Speaker 1: a cassette in their car. Man, Now I part. I
Speaker 1: parked a bunch of big songwriters that I get to
Speaker 1: write with now. And I'm right. You were really nice.
Speaker 1: You actually take me like a doll's Eric pass Lay,
Speaker 1: thank you very much, appreciate your time. Thanks Bobby. I
Speaker 1: hope you've enjoyed this much. I've had a good time.
Speaker 1: I hope everybody had a good time listening to us
Speaker 1: talk about ourselves. It's good. Good thing about a podcast
Speaker 1: is I can stop it and started stop back. You
Speaker 1: can listen to all the good parts. Do you get
Speaker 1: to do an hour straight interview and talk about everything
Speaker 1: and fully get the whole story out there. If only
Speaker 1: we had five hours Eric pass like, Hey, download Angels
Speaker 1: in This Town. If Eric's out, go see him live.
Speaker 1: He's on the Angels in This Town tour right now.
Speaker 1: How long is that gonna lie? So to the middle
Speaker 1: of December and then we'll see we might care it
Speaker 1: in the next year. Go see him. He's a good dude.
Speaker 1: And thank you for being here, Thanks for having the episode.
Speaker 1: What Episodes? Episode fifteen is over. Thank you to everyone,
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