1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,920 Speaker 1: Hi, This is due to the virus. I'm recording from home, 2 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: so you may notice a difference in audio quality on 3 00:00:09,640 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: this episode of News World. This is part two of 4 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 1: my effort to look at why the epicenter of the 5 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: coronavirus outbreak in the United States is in New York 6 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: and is particularly concentrated in the New York City region. 7 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: As of June third, New York State has three hundred 8 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: and seventy seven thousand, eight hundred and eighty one to 9 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:33,160 Speaker 1: confirm cases and twenty nine thousand, eight hundred and forty 10 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: seven deaths, and most of those cases are in New 11 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 1: York City, with two hundred and nine thousand, one hundred 12 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: and ninety five confirmed cases and twenty one thousand, one 13 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:48,080 Speaker 1: hundred and thirty two deaths. Gway is New York the 14 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: epicenter of the virus to the lack of leadership from 15 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 1: New York State Governor Andrew Cuomo a New York City 16 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: Mayor Bill de Blasio contribute to increasing the virus spread. 17 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:04,040 Speaker 1: I'm please to welcome my guest, Tammy Bruce, radio talk 18 00:01:04,080 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 1: show host, New York Times bestselling author, Fox News political 19 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:13,679 Speaker 1: contributor and columnist, and Newsmax Dot com and The Guardian newspaper. 20 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: She is the host of Get Tammy Bruce on Fox Nation. 21 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 1: I was about to go on Fox and Friends the 22 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:36,559 Speaker 1: other morning, and the person ahead of me was Tammy Bruce. 23 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: She was so on target about what's going wrong in 24 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 1: New York. But I just thought I had to have 25 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: her come on and share with you her own thoughts. 26 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: To me, what's happened in New York is astonishingly bad. 27 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 1: I just want to start Tammy and let you sort 28 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:57,920 Speaker 1: of talk about your own thoughts about what's been happening. Well, 29 00:01:58,040 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: mister speaker, thank you for asking me to I knew. 30 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. I moved to New York City 31 00:02:04,040 --> 00:02:07,920 Speaker 1: from Los Angeles in the fall of twenty fourteen, so 32 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: for me, as a native Los Angelea, it was very different. 33 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: I adapted to the city and it's a great city. 34 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:19,120 Speaker 1: I've traveled a lot. New York is obviously a unique place, 35 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: and it's probably about a year to adapt to the 36 00:02:22,639 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 1: energy into the nature of the city. But I did, 37 00:02:26,600 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: and there is something about it. It's like writing a 38 00:02:29,960 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 1: dragon and you've got to hang on. But it is 39 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:37,919 Speaker 1: a remarkable experience. It is also the first time I've 40 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: experienced where there really is a political attitude which of 41 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: course does not embrace people like me ironically, right, it's 42 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:49,120 Speaker 1: a city of so many people, and a city of 43 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: immigrants and a city of action in life. For me, 44 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: it remains fascinating to operate in a real closed mindedness, 45 00:02:57,160 --> 00:03:02,440 Speaker 1: if you will, a refusal to think beyond what is 46 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: known group think is quite active, as can happen when 47 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:12,360 Speaker 1: you associate only with like minded people. And I think 48 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: part of that is the reason why we have a 49 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: kind of a political class here that is willing to 50 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 1: do whatever it wants to do. I think the criminal 51 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 1: history here in the city, the nature of its development 52 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 1: does not help. And so as an experience in life 53 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: with a city that is so great and in some 54 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: ways mythological, but in other ways genuinely the capital of 55 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:43,880 Speaker 1: the world, it's been a heartbreaking to watch the nature 56 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: of the choices that have been made here in New York. 57 00:03:46,520 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 1: It is obviously the epicenter of the pandemic, which has 58 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: to be also addressed. Why that is the numbers of 59 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:56,680 Speaker 1: those who have died, which we believe as much higher, 60 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:01,480 Speaker 1: and how politicians have responded, and their response has been 61 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:06,200 Speaker 1: to follow the Chinese model, if you will, to clamp down, 62 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: but beyond that in the beginning, when none of us 63 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: really knew anything, to continue with an attitude that is 64 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,599 Speaker 1: challenging our ability to take it seriously. To recognize that 65 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: there is some political framework involved here is unfortunate. It's disturbing, 66 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: but it reminds us that we're going to have to 67 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: have some kind of major investigation, some kind of look 68 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 1: back at the nature of what happened and how and 69 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 1: why it happened. You know. The thing I'm struck with 70 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: is that people who have been interviewing about this really 71 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: see it not just as an issue of bad judgment, 72 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: but as an issue of a corrupt culture in which 73 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: the bad judgments were perfectly rational if what you wanted 74 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: to do is take care of the corruption and the 75 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: people who are corrupt, and that they ended up being 76 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: more important, for example, than grandparents in the nursing home decisions. 77 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 1: Apparently grandparents were literally being sacrificed by Governor Cuomo on 78 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: behalf of the New York Hospital Association, which is as 79 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: big as done. On the one hand, as you point out, 80 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:21,279 Speaker 1: it's an astonishingly powerful and exciting city, but it does 81 00:05:21,360 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 1: have an underbody which surfaced during this pandemic in the 82 00:05:27,160 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 1: form of people dying unnecessarily. It's again the willingness and 83 00:05:31,839 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: group thing can operate in a lot of ways. Is 84 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 1: the willingness to look away, the willingness to ignore what 85 00:05:38,279 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: you know is occurring. It's like Ninth Avenue here in 86 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 1: New York. There has been construction on Ninth Avenue in 87 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,400 Speaker 1: the same place for years, and all it does is 88 00:05:47,400 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: it switches from one side of the street to the next. 89 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:52,960 Speaker 1: Everyone knows it's not going to go away. We all 90 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 1: know we're paying for it. The cost is extraordinary. We're 91 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,559 Speaker 1: never quite sure what it is they're doing, but there's 92 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: unions involved. We know that these are payoffs and other 93 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: dynamics that are going on, and everybody just accepts it 94 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: as part of the framework. Now, maybe normally the city 95 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,679 Speaker 1: residents wouldn't care, and they don't seem to have cared, 96 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 1: But now it's about members of our family are being 97 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 1: sacrificed by FIAT for some reason. Normally say, oh, well, 98 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: accidents are made and politicians are dumb. But in the 99 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: case of the nursing home, you have this astounding series 100 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 1: of events that cannot be denied as having been deliberate 101 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: to create a dynamic that would cause mass death. In 102 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: any other part of life, that would be manslaughter. It 103 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: would be reckless homicide. We're dealing with thousands of people. 104 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: A few days ago, when Governor Cuomo of New York 105 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:02,119 Speaker 1: decided to blame Donald Trump for this situation, they disappeared 106 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: Clomo's now infamous March twenty fifth order forcing nursing homes 107 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 1: to accept COVID infected patients. It was very clear they 108 00:07:12,880 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: had no choice. They had to do it, and they 109 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 1: couldn't test. They couldn't even go out of their way 110 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 1: to find out if someone was infected. Hospitals were not 111 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: allowed to do that either, And that order has disappeared 112 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: from the New York state websites. It's as though it 113 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: never existed physically. Fortunately, when something could see Internet, the 114 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:37,000 Speaker 1: Internet is forever, and so we have that order. But 115 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: the interesting action to start covering up, and the reason 116 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: that order needed to be disappeared is because the way 117 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: that it's written makes it clear that it is actually 118 00:07:48,440 --> 00:07:51,080 Speaker 1: the opposite of what the federal guidance was. The federal 119 00:07:51,120 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 1: guidance for every state when it came to nursing homes 120 00:07:56,120 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 1: was if you want to accept someone who either has 121 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 1: had contact with a patient, someone who is ill or 122 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: might be ill, You've got to be able to isolate them. 123 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 1: You've got to be able to have all the ventilators. 124 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: You've got to be able to handle this situation. And 125 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:13,000 Speaker 1: there is a series of rules and if you can't, 126 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: then you cannot accept that patient. And that if somebody 127 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,760 Speaker 1: got sick in the home and needed assistance, you would 128 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 1: need to send them out to a hospital. You'd need 129 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:28,760 Speaker 1: to remove them from the home. There was no mandate 130 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: where you had to accept someone. There were actually recommendations 131 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:37,320 Speaker 1: of not if you couldn't handle it. Cromo's order overcame 132 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:41,600 Speaker 1: that and said you must accept a patient no matter 133 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: where they came from, whether they're sick or not, and 134 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 1: it was an immediate order. They had no time to prepare. 135 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: And at the same time, mister Speaker he began to 136 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: launch investigations into the nursing homes, and what he said 137 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: to them was, if you can't accept a patient, then 138 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: something must be wrong with your management and your home, 139 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: and we are going to investigate you to find out 140 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: what that problem is. In other words, you will lose 141 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: your license if you say you are unprepared. So now 142 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 1: you have at least six thousand, and of course that 143 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: is double the number of people who died on September eleventh, 144 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 1: just dying in the nursing homes. Some people think that 145 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: that number is actually twice as high. People have not 146 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,320 Speaker 1: believed it. First of all, there's got to be a 147 00:09:30,360 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: federal investigation. He started up some state investigation with his 148 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: own health department, which of course is absurd. New York 149 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:42,920 Speaker 1: is worth saving. Those lives matter, Every life matters, and 150 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: it's not just New York, it's New Jersey and a 151 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: number of other states who decided that this is the 152 00:09:48,040 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: best opportunity to do this. Apparently, Cuomo's government decided part 153 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: way in to change the rules by which you count 154 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: whether or not a person has died in a nursing home. 155 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: So that apparently the norm everywhere in the country is 156 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 1: if somebody's in a nursing home, but in the last 157 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: days of their life they end up going to the 158 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: hospital for a disease which they had in the nursing home, 159 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:37,119 Speaker 1: then it counts as a death involving a nursing home. Apparently, 160 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 1: in order to minimize the horrendous number of grandparents who 161 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: were dying. They literally changed the rules so if you 162 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:49,080 Speaker 1: didn't technically die before you left the nursing home and 163 00:10:49,240 --> 00:10:52,440 Speaker 1: the ambulance got you to the hospital, then you became 164 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:57,000 Speaker 1: a hospital death, not a nursing home death. That literally 165 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 1: is almost like a tutolitarian system that simply rewrites the 166 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: rules to cover itself. Having made a terrible decision, Cuomo 167 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,240 Speaker 1: then decides to change the rules so that it won't 168 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 1: be quite so blatantly obvious in terms of the cost 169 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: of lives. How really horrendous the Cuomo decision was for 170 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:22,400 Speaker 1: senior citizens when you think about why would people allow 171 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:26,079 Speaker 1: this or how could this actually happen? Well, again, nursing 172 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: home owners and workers, they have to speak anonymously because 173 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:34,320 Speaker 1: they're afraid of retribution. And so you have the system that, 174 00:11:34,400 --> 00:11:38,599 Speaker 1: whether it's the government itself, the legislature, heads of departments, 175 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: no one can speak up because they're all Democrats, and 176 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: Chromo controls the government by such a heavy hand that 177 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: those appointments will go away, people will be shunned. And 178 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: we see the same thing in California now, which is 179 00:11:54,200 --> 00:11:59,440 Speaker 1: becoming a single party state where there is no pushback 180 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: from loyal opposition. Now he has turned to directly blaming 181 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 1: the nursing homes, which is a lie. We now know 182 00:12:08,280 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 1: with the order that they should have just moved them 183 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,960 Speaker 1: out of the nursing home, but it was impossible. They 184 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 1: couldn't do it, So now they are being blamed, and 185 00:12:17,960 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: they didn't do it at first. Perhaps they thought they 186 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: would lose their license, and now he's going to work 187 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: to have them lose their license anyway. Janice Deane, who 188 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:31,080 Speaker 1: is a very popular meteorologist at Fox News, she lost 189 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 1: both of her in laws to this. At least one 190 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: of them was in a nursing home simply to recover 191 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 1: briefly from an operation, and both of them died from COVID. 192 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 1: How many thousands of families now are just dealing with us. 193 00:12:46,559 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: In the beginning, he tried to explain it, or at 194 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 1: least minimize this by mister Speaker noting that these people 195 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 1: would have died anyway, that you can blame God, and 196 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: these are elderly and we can't stop everybody from getting it. 197 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:06,319 Speaker 1: I mean, imagine an order that you would make that 198 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 1: would cause the deaths of thousands of people, and your 199 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: first instinct is to not resign or apologize and beg 200 00:13:14,720 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: for forgiveness. No, your first instinct is to say it 201 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:22,880 Speaker 1: would have happened anyway. These are vulnerable people, they were 202 00:13:22,920 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: sick anyway. It was shocking, and that is who this 203 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 1: man is, and it is a remarkable thing to realize 204 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 1: the media covers for them. Still there, finally are some 205 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: local reporters asking questions, but the media has certainly helped 206 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: facilitate a willingness to create a different narrative and to 207 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 1: hide the fact it's about the state deciding your grandparents 208 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: are expendable. It's a simple Why do you think there 209 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: isn't a greater sense of public outrage, Well, we started 210 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: thinking about twelve thousand or more grandparents dying, many of 211 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: the one necessarily because of bad judgment by the governor 212 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: or being part of paying off the governor's foot allies. 213 00:14:12,920 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 1: I think it's a combination of things. My first thought 214 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: is being a conservative living in New York. New York 215 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: is the perfect example of as I've mentioned, group think. 216 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: The local media media in general hammers constantly about the 217 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: evil man in Washington, how everyone is under threat and 218 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: at risk because of Conservatives and Republicans. They're all united 219 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:42,400 Speaker 1: against everyone else who's against them. That continues to be 220 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: and has always been the leftist narrative. Democrats should be 221 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 1: outraged over what has occurred. The second answer, I think 222 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,360 Speaker 1: is also the impact on the city. We've really been 223 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: removed from each other. There's a level of stress and 224 00:14:57,560 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: anxiety in Manhattan in particular that is hard to quantify. 225 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 1: We remember, are not meeting up, We are separated in 226 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: our homes. Many people have chosen to not look at 227 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: the news because it's too difficult. The only time you're 228 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: reminded that other people are still on the island is 229 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: at seven pm, when everybody goes to their windows to 230 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: paying on the pots and to yell appreciation and thanks 231 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: for the front line over in the hospital, and you 232 00:15:25,280 --> 00:15:30,640 Speaker 1: can hear that throughout Manhattan. However, also my building, it's 233 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 1: about sixty floors high. I would say the building is 234 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:37,920 Speaker 1: about two thirds empty. People have left the city. They've gone. 235 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:42,160 Speaker 1: So you're looking at this kind of perfect storm for 236 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: the left. No one can gather, no one can demonstrate, 237 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: No one can hear from someone at a restaurant or 238 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: a bar that hey, what happened to your parents? So, yeah, 239 00:15:52,680 --> 00:15:55,280 Speaker 1: you know what, my parents just die. You're not having 240 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: those conversations with extended groups of people, and you're not 241 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,760 Speaker 1: listening to the news. And if you are listening to 242 00:16:01,760 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 1: the news, you've been conditioned to believe Cuomo. If the 243 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: media says maybe twelve thousand seniors have been killed, you 244 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: dismiss it as not true. And then of course the 245 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: stress and the anxiety of the pandemic itself. I think 246 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 1: people are choosing to not add that on to their plate. Now. 247 00:16:21,160 --> 00:16:26,880 Speaker 1: The families directly affected probably feel very differently. This is 248 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 1: within the last eight weeks. You've got grief, you've got 249 00:16:30,400 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: the inability to bury. It's chaos, and I think that 250 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 1: as things settle it down and the reality settles in, 251 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 1: perhaps people will speak up, and some of us have 252 00:16:43,200 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: got to encourage them to do so. It's all of 253 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:07,440 Speaker 1: these states that are currently opening up managed to open 254 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: up with relatively modest public health impact. I'm wondering when 255 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,440 Speaker 1: it will seep into the blue states that all those 256 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: people out there having fun, earning a living, traveling are 257 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:23,199 Speaker 1: also Americans, And how come I'm being dominated by my government. 258 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:27,199 Speaker 1: I think that's beginning to arise as we've seen the 259 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 1: success of Georgia and Florida and Tennessee. It is also 260 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:36,199 Speaker 1: pushing people like de Blasio and Cuomo to realize that 261 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:40,399 Speaker 1: the longer that they stay closed, the more untenable it is. 262 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: New York City was the epicenter, so we gave them 263 00:17:45,040 --> 00:17:49,440 Speaker 1: some space regarding that. But now we understand that the 264 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:54,280 Speaker 1: supermajority of people who have died are from nursing homes 265 00:17:54,280 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 1: and over the age of eighty. Look, we don't know 266 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: everything still about this virus and long term impact. However, 267 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:04,119 Speaker 1: there's a sheriff in Orange County, California. He went to 268 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: the border supervisors and said, look, I'm not the mask police. 269 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: I'm not going to tell people what to do. He said. 270 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 1: The people who live in this county are adults. They 271 00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: know what the risk is and they can be counted 272 00:18:17,119 --> 00:18:21,640 Speaker 1: on to make decisions that will protect them. And I'm 273 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:23,960 Speaker 1: not going to be the person that arrests them for 274 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 1: not wearing a mask. We're having these new developments as 275 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 1: though they still want to continue this framework, and it's 276 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: going to be up to local law enforcement. It's going 277 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: to be up to the individual community leaders and to 278 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:44,360 Speaker 1: perhaps local media at some point to say enough is enough. 279 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: But we have Clomo saying you wear a mask as 280 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 1: a sign of respect, telling other people you don't want 281 00:18:50,440 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: to be a problem for them, And then the other 282 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: day he said, no, you wear a mask because it's cool. Now, 283 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: this started from flattening the curve so that hospitals wouldn't 284 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 1: be overwhelmed to telling us, in a framework that mirrors 285 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:09,720 Speaker 1: a religiosity about covering your body and your face, that 286 00:19:09,800 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: you do an out of respect, which then creates environments 287 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,280 Speaker 1: in the United States where there's been one video where 288 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:22,000 Speaker 1: masked people in a supermarket chased out a woman who 289 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: wasn't wearing a mask. Is this almost an attempt to divide? 290 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: And I've noted when you wear a mask, it is depressing, 291 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: and it reminds you that something is quote wrong. It 292 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: tells you something's wrong when you see people wearing masks. 293 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: It depresses that person who's viewing it. And I think 294 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 1: that there is some truth to the argument that there 295 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 1: is a political framework here conscious and subconscious of so 296 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: wanting Donald Trump to have destroyed the country versus him 297 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: elevating it as he has. The mask becomes the last 298 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 1: vestige of trying to maintain the feeling that the country's 299 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: being destroyed and that you're not safe, and I think 300 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,880 Speaker 1: while there are certainly times when wearing a mask clearly 301 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,560 Speaker 1: could be beneficial, the fact is you can still get 302 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: on an airplane two hundred and forty people crammed in 303 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,080 Speaker 1: within eight inches of each other for hours. But you 304 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: can't go to a restaurant, you can't go to church. 305 00:20:28,880 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 1: But again, you can still get on an airplane. So 306 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: we're seeing the contradiction, and that's why at the end 307 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,560 Speaker 1: of this, we're going to need something separate from the government, 308 00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,399 Speaker 1: like a September eleventh type commission for us to find 309 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:46,680 Speaker 1: out exactly why this happened, into the degree that it happened, 310 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: and why there's an attempt to continue this kind of lockdown. 311 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 1: I think there's no question that a lot of these 312 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 1: politicians got a great joy out of being petty dictators. 313 00:21:00,280 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: Ways that times were pretty grotesque. You think it's actually 314 00:21:03,840 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 1: going to increase the sense of anti politician an anti 315 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: government psychology in the country as people conclude that a 316 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,200 Speaker 1: lot of this has been imposed on them and disrupted 317 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: their lives. We want to return to normal. But there 318 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,359 Speaker 1: are some aspects of what the normal was, at least 319 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 1: here in New York City. And I know the rest 320 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:25,880 Speaker 1: of the country is not like New York City, where 321 00:21:25,920 --> 00:21:29,320 Speaker 1: you don't want the old normal, you do want something better. 322 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: It's going to take Americans finally taking a breath and 323 00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: looking out and going out, and yes, I think then 324 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:41,360 Speaker 1: there has to be a facilitation of discussions about what occurred, 325 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: separate from politics, and who was affected, the African American 326 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: community affected disproportionately, and finding out how and why that happens, 327 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 1: and why is it that in democrat cities, urban areas, 328 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: those who are reliant specifically on government saving us were 329 00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 1: the most impacted negatively. And those conversations, for the sake 330 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: of everyone, have got to happen. It's going to take 331 00:22:09,960 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: a process, but we've got to be able to do it. 332 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,239 Speaker 1: I really appreciate you taking the time and laying all 333 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: this up. I think you have put in context a 334 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: much deeper political cultural challenge, just the challenge of the 335 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: coronavirus and the challenge of the immediate problem. This is 336 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,040 Speaker 1: a terrific opportunity of a conversation with you, and I'm very, 337 00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: very grateful. It's just a pleasure and honor to speak 338 00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 1: with you, sir. 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