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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Letting you

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Speaker 2: know where we're headed the next couple of hours. Julie

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Speaker 2: Kelly going to join us at the bottom of the

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Speaker 2: hour to talk about everything going on with the Trump

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Speaker 2: legal process. Carol Marcowitz from the Border discussion at the

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Speaker 2: top of the third hour, updating you in case you

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Speaker 2: have forgotten, dueling border availabilities for both Trump and Biden

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Speaker 2: in the state of Texas today. That is ongoing. We

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Speaker 2: are monitoring it. In the event that there is any

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Speaker 2: substantial news that comes out of those public availabilities, we

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Speaker 2: will be going to them and or sharing with you.

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Speaker 2: But Buck, we were talking as we set almost exactly eight

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Speaker 2: months out from election day here on the leap day,

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Speaker 2: as we are looking forward a little bit over, I think,

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Speaker 2: what is it eight months and five days or some

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Speaker 2: such until actual election day, and worth remembering that many

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Speaker 2: states now start far in advance with election day, meaning

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Speaker 2: that some of you will be able to vote within

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Speaker 2: about six months, so we're not very far until it

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Speaker 2: is officially really election season and votes are being cast.

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Speaker 2: They don't really have good arguments to make. The hell

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Speaker 2: Mary claim was Jack Smith's going to get a conviction.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's going to be a felon, and that is

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Speaker 2: going to swing independent voters in a big way. That

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Speaker 2: has been their game plan from the moment Jack Smith

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Speaker 2: was appointed as an independent counsel. That has been his

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Speaker 2: charge coming from the Biden White House. Timing now severely

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Speaker 2: constrained based on the Supreme Court taking up this case.

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Speaker 2: There are three Supreme Court cases that are now pending

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Speaker 2: relating to Donald Trump and the charges that are brought

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Speaker 2: against him. Tomorrow we may get a ruling on what

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Speaker 2: the Fanny Willis and Nathan Wade can remain in their

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Speaker 2: case in Atlanta. That case has collapsed. South Florida is

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Speaker 2: stalled out. The classified document case Jack Smith is it.

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Speaker 2: And you're recognizing now suddenly what we had been telling

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Speaker 2: you for some time. It was unlikely they were going

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Speaker 2: to get more than one. Maybe they had a chance

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Speaker 2: for two cases. Now the panic is setting in because

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Speaker 2: there's a poll out today Buck that has a second

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Speaker 2: poll this week that has Donald Trump leading in all

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Speaker 2: seven swing states. The polls have been correct so far

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Speaker 2: in the Republican primary and the Democrat primary, and so

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Speaker 2: I'm inclined to believe that Trump is in fact a

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Speaker 2: leading in the Swing states right now. And Rachel Maddow

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Speaker 2: had a full fledged panic last night on MSNBC. He

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Speaker 2: or she is saying, if Trump is elected, democracy is over.

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Speaker 2: He's never leaving off.

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Speaker 3: Listen when they inevitably rule that presidents aren't immune from

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Speaker 3: prosecution after they leave office, what that will tell Donald Trump,

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Speaker 3: if by then he is president, is that he can

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Speaker 3: never leave the office of the presidency. And if he

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Speaker 3: is voted out in twenty twenty eight, he cannot leave office.

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Speaker 3: And he is willing to commit he is welcome to

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Speaker 3: commit any crimes he wants to as long as he

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Speaker 3: is still president in order to ignore the results of

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Speaker 3: he is going to go to prison when he gets out.

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Speaker 1: Clay Trump derangement syndrome needs to be added to the

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Speaker 1: DSM five, you know, the Diagnostic, Diagnostic and Statistical Manual

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Speaker 1: for Mental health disorders. It's real. I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: as real as you know as a lot of other

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Speaker 1: things that people certainly different kinds of anxiety disorders. Rachel

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Speaker 1: manows is insane. She thinks that if Donald Trump wins

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Speaker 1: this election, the fear is that in four more years,

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Speaker 1: when he'll be in his mid eighties, he's going to

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Speaker 1: even be thinking about this right now is twofold. It's insane,

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Speaker 1: But it's also indicative of what you were saying before,

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Speaker 1: which is they realize Trump is winning right now. They

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Speaker 1: he has kicked it back in their faces with a smile.

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Speaker 2: And I also think this is why the jan sixth

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Speaker 2: two is not resonating in twenty twenty four, because what

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Speaker 2: percentage of people do you actually think out there believe

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight if he is if he's elected in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, I mean, buck, if he was going

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Speaker 2: go now because they've gone so far off the deep end,

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Speaker 2: you have to now argue things that are absolutely insane.

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Speaker 1: Clay, they are arguing after what we've seen, which is

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Speaker 1: a truly unprecedented warp speed District court and appeals court

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Speaker 1: approach to Trump in DC. I mean they they're saying,

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Speaker 1: you know, you got five days to have your legal

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Speaker 1: team respond to this, when under normal procedure, I talked

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Speaker 1: that under normal procedure will be three months, six months maybe.

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Speaker 1: But they're giving them ten days, or they're giving them

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Speaker 1: two weeks or whatever. They're going at a speed that

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Speaker 1: arguing that the Supreme Court which has agreed to do

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Speaker 1: the thing that Jack Smith has said, please do. Jack

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Speaker 1: Smith says, Supreme Court, please, please, you need to we're

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Speaker 1: skipping the Appeals court. Allow us to do that. The

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Speaker 1: even though we all know you're gonna win the appeals court,

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Speaker 1: but you just want this to be on your timeline.

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Speaker 1: We will hear you, and if you hear anything weird.

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Speaker 1: By the way, ginger Is is being very vocal in

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Speaker 1: the background for some reason right now. Anyway, we will

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Speaker 1: hear your appeal. And Rachel Mattow is mad at them,

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Speaker 1: or rather, we will hear your petition. Rachel Mattow was

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Speaker 1: angry at them for this. This is cut four. She

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Speaker 3: The cravenness of the court is evident in what they

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Speaker 3: for no reason, obviously pushing all of the cases that

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Speaker 3: heard the verdicts in any of those cases. Got it

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Speaker 3: it's the timing, but it's also the idea that the

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Speaker 3: immunity thing is an open question.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it is an open question. Put that aside, even people,

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Speaker 1: and look, I think I think Trump is going to

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Speaker 1: get ruled against. But the Supreme Court exists to weigh

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Speaker 1: in on questions like this. They have never done it before.

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Speaker 1: And but the crey, I mean, so that's one part

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Speaker 1: that's even more in sane clay. They're getting what they

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Speaker 1: want and they're complaining about it. I mean, this is

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Speaker 1: you know, it's like sell me your house? How dare

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Speaker 1: you sell me your house? Like?

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Speaker 2: What what they are slowly recognizing is And this is

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Speaker 2: what I was trying to say about the Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: that is an awful precedent to set going forward for

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Speaker 2: of history. And so what I've been arguing the Supreme

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Speaker 2: it's a good one, is do you want buck? By

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Speaker 2: the way, is now holding ginger of the dog to

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Speaker 2: try to sway favors. See, I'm gonna have to bring

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Speaker 1: You want some attention from this wonderful audience. So if

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Speaker 2: I think the Supreme Court is set down and they

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Speaker 2: it's it's actually I think an important one. Do we

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Speaker 2: want nine justices to have a substantial role in who

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Speaker 2: want one hundred and fifty million voters who know everything

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Speaker 2: to be. And so what I think the Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: is doing is using the timeline to avoid having to

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Speaker 2: make themselves a big part of the story and let

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Speaker 2: all of you out there, whether you're Democrat, Republican, or independent,

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Speaker 2: make your decision. Because remember Buck, the real lie that

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Speaker 2: they're telling us is that there's something we don't know

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Speaker 2: There's nothing we don't know about it. I also it's interesting,

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Speaker 2: isn't it. As a function of law, the January sixth

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Speaker 2: thing appeals to Democrats more because it's much more politically charged,

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Speaker 2: the much stronger legal case. If we're just being honest,

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Speaker 2: you're right by far as Florida. Yeah, procedural stuff. It's

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Speaker 1: Right. That's not a complicated case, but at least it's

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Speaker 1: a crazy argument. The January sixth thing is a crazy argument.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump didn't do anything. Donald Trump didn't break into

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Speaker 1: But there's another part of this too. They're the ones.

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Speaker 1: And this is a classic thing. You always have to

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Speaker 1: doing the thing that they have done. This is what

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Speaker 1: They have done nothing except game the timing of the

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Speaker 1: we'll be a part of this lawfair too, they're screaming

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Speaker 1: bring the case three years ago, Clay? Why did all

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Speaker 1: an absolutely unprecedented pace to ran this thing through. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they're complaining about the timing that the Supreme Court is using.

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Speaker 2: Remember there was a recent story, I believe it was

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Speaker 2: in Politico saying that Biden was furious at Meyrick Garland

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Speaker 2: look at the Democrat electoral strategy. They raided mara alawe

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Speaker 2: Buck in what was it, August of twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 1: Now. All right, Julie, I got you right out of

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Speaker 2: You, in the immediate aftermath of the Supreme Court taking

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Speaker 1: So, so, Julie, thank you for being here. This whole

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Speaker 5: Well to your point. And I had two computers open yesterday.

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump and his co defendants wanting certain things unredacted

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Speaker 5: and put on the public docket. So I'm working on

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Speaker 5: this need deep in all these motions, and all of

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Speaker 5: a sudden my phone starts pinging with the decision by

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Speaker 5: the Supreme Court. So I kind of pivoted to that. Luckily,

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Speaker 5: I know that, you know, like the back of my hand,

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Speaker 5: the whole timeline. So posted an article on declass By

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Speaker 5: with Julie Kelly. People really want to know the timeline there.

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Speaker 5: So it's getting slimmer and slimmer chance that the DC

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Speaker 5: trial will take place. And that is why claim Buck.

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Speaker 5: You see the outrage on the left NBC, CNN. They

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Speaker 5: knew that Donald Trump would be swiftly convicted in Washington,

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Speaker 5: DC on four very vague counts by a jury made

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Speaker 5: up of ninety two percent of residents who voted for

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Speaker 5: Joe Biden. The Department of Justice has a one hundred

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Speaker 5: percent one hundred percent conviction rate in January sixth trials. Now,

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Speaker 5: two years of trials, more than one hundred trials, not

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Speaker 5: a single January sixth defendant has walked out of a

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Speaker 5: DC courtroom fully acquitted by a jury. Now they've acquitted

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Speaker 5: some counts, but not one single January sixth defendant. Are

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Speaker 5: you telling me that Donald Trump would be the first one?

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Speaker 3: Of course not.

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Speaker 5: So that's what they're so upset about. This would be

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Speaker 5: an easy conviction that they can use against Donald Trump

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Speaker 5: pull voters away from him. As polls show now the

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Speaker 5: flip side, and I can get back to you guys

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Speaker 5: tomorrow too, or whenever I will be in the courthouse,

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Speaker 5: I will be reporting on Twitter live what happens there,

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Speaker 5: what happened, if happens, If Judge Cannon comes back and says, Okay,

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Speaker 5: we're settling a lot of these litigation matters, et cetera.

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Speaker 5: I'm going to set the trial that was now for

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Speaker 5: me twentieth I'm going to push that off till July.

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Speaker 1: You were going to.

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Speaker 5: See the quickest case of whiplash that you've ever seen.

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Speaker 5: Because the same people now catterwauling about the fact that

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Speaker 5: there won't be a DC trial, all of a sudden,

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Speaker 5: you're going to see a different tone because they don't

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Speaker 5: want the classified documents case to go to trial. It

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Speaker 5: is the weakest of the two. It would be the

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Speaker 5: toughest for DOJ to prove in a jurisdiction that is

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Speaker 5: far more friendly er to Donald Trump than Washington d C.

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Speaker 5: And a judge who has been very tough on DJ

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Speaker 5: not acting as the rubber stamp like Judge Tanya Chuckkin.

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Speaker 5: So it would be fascinating to see the reaction from

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Speaker 5: these very same people. If Judge Cannon sets a new

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Speaker 5: trial date, certainly not tomorrow, but within the next few weeks.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So as you see it, you've been great on this.

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Speaker 2: You've been coming on with us for a couple of

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Speaker 2: years laying all this out. You would if you were

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Speaker 2: betting right now, Julie bet only on the Alvin Bragg case,

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Speaker 2: that is, the New York City misdemeanor elevated to a

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Speaker 2: felony bookkeeping in business charges as the only one that

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Speaker 2: is going to go to trial and have any kind

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Speaker 2: of result before election day itself.

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Speaker 5: I mean, that's certainly what it looks like right now,

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Speaker 5: not only what's happening in DJ in the two, but

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Speaker 5: certainly what's happening in Fulton County, where I really think

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Speaker 5: most people thought that would be the easiest win, and

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Speaker 5: that of course is falling apart amid all the scandal

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Speaker 5: and what's happening with Nanny Willis and Nathan Wade and

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Speaker 5: the entire cabal that she put together. So it could

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Speaker 5: be that Alvin Bragg gets the first bite of the apple,

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Speaker 5: which of course no one wanted. You know, the DC

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Speaker 5: trial was supposed to start this Monday. I mean think

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Speaker 5: of what Washington, d C. Was supposed to look like.

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Speaker 5: I mean, popular, over populated, overrun, with journalists from around

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Speaker 5: the a country and around the world preparing for this

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Speaker 5: history making trial and instead now we've got it hearing tomorrow,

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Speaker 5: which will be interesting. But now they're stuck with the

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Speaker 5: Alvin Bragg prosecution. So this was not what Democrats, never

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Speaker 5: Trump Republicans is certainly the corporate media had in mind

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Speaker 5: when they were looking at twenty twenty four in Donald

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Speaker 5: Trump's legal problems.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of Julie Kelly, her substack is declassified. If you

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Speaker 1: want to weekly update and deep dive into all of

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Speaker 1: these matters, Julie, I know you're not somebody who gets

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Speaker 1: far ahead of what has already happened. Right, We're not

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Speaker 1: in the prediction business, and we're also not in the

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Speaker 1: mind reading business. From what you can see though, based

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Speaker 1: on the realities of the judicial mechanisms at play here

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Speaker 1: for the various cases, do you think that Democrats, notably

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Speaker 1: Jack Smith and others, are feeling not just heat but

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Speaker 1: a bit of panic at how the schedules here are

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Speaker 1: likely to play out? Or is there something that we're missing.

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Speaker 1: I keep looking for the thing that's going to hit

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Speaker 1: us that we don't see yet.

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Speaker 5: Right, No, I think that's a very good question. So

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Speaker 5: we can't trust the system. We can't certainly trust DOJ

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Speaker 5: or even most of these judges. So I think that's

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Speaker 5: a really good question. Well, what could jump out next?

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Speaker 5: What could happen? I'm not really sure with Jack Smith,

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Speaker 5: And you're starting to see some criticism of Jack Smith

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Speaker 5: and Merrick Garland for waiting until August of twenty twenty

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Speaker 5: three to bring the j six indictment. Certainly the indictment

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Speaker 5: in classified documents was June, and then a superseding indictment

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Speaker 5: in July of twenty twenty three, knowing that all of

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Speaker 5: these unprecedented matters were going to have to be hashed

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Speaker 5: out and ultimately resolved at the Supreme Court. So I

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Speaker 5: don't know what he does next. Does he bring a

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Speaker 5: superseding indictment? Can he? I'm not sure that he can.

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Speaker 5: With the proceedings on Holden Washington. Look, there's rumblings, and

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Speaker 5: this is in the court motions that there was a

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Speaker 5: third FBI investigation into Donald Trump. We don't know what

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Speaker 5: that was about. But Jack Smith has asked in the

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Speaker 5: classified documents case to keep that the details in the

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Speaker 5: name of that FBI investigation under seal. Judge Cannon has

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Speaker 5: said no, because to my knowledge, the investigation's over and

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Speaker 5: we need to publish that information. The public has a

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Speaker 5: right to know. So is there another investigation we still

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Speaker 5: don't know about? So? Look, this is always filled with surprises,

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Speaker 5: as you noted, So is there something else on the horizon?

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Speaker 5: Will they go to any extreme to salvage these cases? Absolutely?

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Speaker 5: Will judge Chuck and go along with it. Absolutely. So

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Speaker 5: it's to your point, it's hard to predict. But the

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Speaker 5: only prediction is you can't predict what's going to happen

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Speaker 5: because every day is something new.

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Speaker 2: Last question for you, Julie, because the way you lay

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Speaker 2: this out, I'm now looking at if Alvin Bragg is

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Speaker 2: the only guy who gets to bring a case. I'm

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Speaker 2: wondering if they're just going to go absolutely bonkers on

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Speaker 2: that case, try to put Trump in jail or in

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Speaker 2: prison because they know there's not any federal or Atlanta

557
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Speaker 2: case that is going to come next. And so in

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Speaker 2: the same way that they've hit him with a four

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Speaker 2: hundred and fifty million dollar fine, an eighty eight million

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Speaker 2: or whatever it is, in Egene Carroll. Why do we

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Speaker 2: think they're not going to try to put him in

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Speaker 2: prison on this ridiculous bookkeeping charge that they've brought to me,

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Speaker 2: That would be the sign of desperation. Just do the

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Speaker 2: absolute maximum that you could to him there to try

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Speaker 2: to get the pound of flesh.

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Speaker 5: They definitely could, But look, that is not going to

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Speaker 5: satisfy the Democrats. They wanted the January sixth conviction. They

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Speaker 5: wanted the insurrection narrative with a judicial and a jury

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Speaker 5: impromater on it, because we see all of the mileage

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Speaker 5: that they're getting out of the alleged insurrection, even though

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Speaker 5: Donald Trump is not charged with insurrection for January sixth

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Speaker 5: in the indictment, and half of those counts, to your point,

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Speaker 5: a risk by the Supreme Court in the fifteen twelve

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Speaker 5: C two obstruction of an official preceding case that the

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Speaker 5: Supreme Court is now reviewing. They wanted the insurrection alleged

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Speaker 5: insurrection conviction because not only could they use that against

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Speaker 5: Trump that he cannot hold office regardless of what happens

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Speaker 5: in the Colorado Supreme Court case, which will be reversed

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Speaker 5: by the US Supreme Court. They wanted to use that

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Speaker 5: against any Republican involved in the events of January six

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Speaker 5: attempting to vet the results of the electoral College, anyone

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Speaker 5: who signed up senator or House member who is going

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Speaker 5: to challenge those votes on January six they want to

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Speaker 5: apply that insurrection label to them. They've already tried to,

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Speaker 5: but if he had a conviction Washington, they would have

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Speaker 5: much more leverage to do so. And I think that

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Speaker 5: that is part of their paint. If you would get

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Speaker 5: in convictions in jail time with Alvin Bragg, okay, but

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Speaker 5: it doesn't support their overall narrative that they've had since

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Speaker 5: January sixth, more than three years now that Donald Trump

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Speaker 5: has associates supportive members of Congress and certainly his voters

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Speaker 5: are all terrorists who tried to overthrow the government on

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Speaker 5: January sixth to keep Donald Trump in power.

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Speaker 2: Julie, keep up the fantastic work. I'm sure we'll talk

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Speaker 2: to you again because who knows what's next, but man,

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Speaker 2: it's going to be interesting.

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Speaker 1: I have a feeling there will be Trump legal news

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Speaker 1: between now and the election, so we will be discussing

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Speaker 1: with Julie. Julie, thanks so much. Check out Declassified on substack.

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Speaker 1: Is it papillion Nebraska? Is that how you say it?

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Speaker 4: Well? I hadn't heard anything in quite a while. As

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Speaker 2: Thanks for Carl, I mean, there were some dispute and

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Speaker 2: Andy McCarthy, for instance, I think wrote about this in

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Speaker 2: been Charlie Brown. They just say we got him so

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Speaker 2: many times now. I also think that these networks MSNBC, CNN,

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Speaker 2: the New York Times, and it's it's readership, it's subscribers,

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Speaker 2: how are they going to handle Let's just let's just

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Speaker 2: go forward to that moment for a second. It's the

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Speaker 2: day after the election and Donald Trump is going to

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Speaker 2: be the president again. How do they explain that, after

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Speaker 2: all that.

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Speaker 1: We're going to lock him up and we've got all

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Speaker 1: the trials and the this and the that. I just

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Speaker 1: think that there'll be emotional damage, emotional devastation, for.

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Speaker 2: The Libs, I think two things will happen. One there'll

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Speaker 2: be riots. Two they will try to avoid allowing him

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Speaker 2: to become president of the United States.

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Speaker 1: I agree with them. I was wonning what the media

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Speaker 1: is going to say to their constituent, to their viewers.

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Speaker 1: But that's a whole other thing. Yeah, I don't think

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Speaker 1: Rachel Maddow is gonna riot. I don't think she's gonna

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Speaker 1: be having but yeah.

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Speaker 2: No, I mean they'll just move on to, well, we're

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Speaker 2: gonna have to be a part of the resistance again,

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Speaker 2: and that I think that's.

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Speaker 1: That's not gonna fly. I don't think it's gonna work.

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Speaker 2: I think one of the big challenges that they're finding

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Speaker 2: is Trump as Satan, as the devil, as Hitler does

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Speaker 2: not work anymore. And I think that's why you're seeing

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Speaker 2: them panic to such an extent. When Rachel Matto say

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Speaker 2: he's not gonna leave office if he wins reelection, I

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Speaker 2: mean they have lost their minds. Even by lost mind standards,