WEBVTT - Auras 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:04.680 From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:09.080 riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:12.079 learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 0:00:12.200 --> 0:00:25.720 production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 0:00:25.880 --> 0:00:28.440 My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 0:00:28.440 --> 0:00:31.600 me Ben. We are joined as always with our super producer, 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:36.120 Paul Mission Controlled Decond. Most importantly, you are you. You 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:40.000 are here, and that makes this stuff they don't want 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:43.800 you to know. Our Our show today kicked off with 0:00:43.920 --> 0:00:48.199 something pretty interesting. Before we started rolling. You see our 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:51.320 trustee rider die on the ones and twos. Paul Mission 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:56.360 Controlled Decond showed us a series of pretty fascinating photographs 0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:59.680 that I think maybe we can discuss a little later 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:02.880 in the show. Let's let's set this up. Okay, uh, 0:01:02.960 --> 0:01:06.200 Let's set this up with an easy example. Picture this. 0:01:06.760 --> 0:01:10.800 You're in a dark room. There's another person standing on 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:13.600 the opposite side of this room. You're too far away 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:16.399 to touch each other. You cannot see each other, but 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:19.480 you're close enough to maybe hear each other speak. There 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:25.120 is no source of normal mundane light, but for some reason, 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:28.360 on the far side of this room, you can see 0:01:29.200 --> 0:01:34.680 something a vague profile, a dimly lit silhouette of some sort. 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:39.000 Maybe it's changing color or size, or vibrating differently as 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:43.440 the person across the room experiences a range of various emotions. 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:47.960 Have you just seen an aura? I mean, that's that's 0:01:48.000 --> 0:01:54.120 like the easiest textbook, quintessential example of experiencing or perceiving 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:56.880 an aura. It's it's something that's pretty common. Have you 0:01:56.880 --> 0:01:59.400 guys ever in your life had some kind of experience 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:02.200 where you thought we saw something like that. I once 0:02:02.280 --> 0:02:04.640 had a black light poster? Is that the same thing? 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:09.400 This is a bit weird, and I just have to 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:12.000 quickly tell the story. One time I was I was 0:02:12.040 --> 0:02:16.040 at a local Kroger, the one that was affectionately known 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:19.519 as Murder Kroger here in Atlanta, classic Kroger, it's still 0:02:19.600 --> 0:02:24.560 murder Kroger. I was going down one of the aisles 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:30.360 and um, an older woman was there shopping alone, and 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:33.360 as I'm passing her, I just said, you know, a 0:02:33.400 --> 0:02:37.120 pleasantry to her or something, and she turned to me 0:02:37.600 --> 0:02:41.400 and she had this, uh, kind of confused look on 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:46.920 her face, and she told me that my aura was 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:52.520 was golden and so bright, and I just went okay 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:58.280 by and then left and well, and and yeah, I 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:00.200 didn't know what to think of it, like it seemed mind. 0:03:00.320 --> 0:03:02.600 I don't know what golden auras meant at that time. 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:06.520 I had a conversation with my wife about it, and 0:03:06.880 --> 0:03:10.400 we had this really interesting conversation about what we're gonna 0:03:10.400 --> 0:03:13.920 be talking about today. And I didn't realize it. But 0:03:14.639 --> 0:03:19.040 this the belief in these things or us specifically with 0:03:19.120 --> 0:03:23.000 humans and sometimes with animals and other living creatures. It's 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:25.200 a belief that is far and wide. And I did 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:29.800 not realize this. Yeah, some version of it is uh 0:03:30.360 --> 0:03:33.840 is spread far and wide, or as the idea that 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:38.320 uh there there is something like a subtle anatomy to 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:43.720 living things, right, maybe not tangible, but they're nonetheless. I'll 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:47.320 be honest. I've had similar um, I have had experiences 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:50.600 with similar things that I am still at a loss 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:53.840 to explain. But we're we're going to do our best 0:03:54.040 --> 0:04:00.320 today too. Unpack. Unpack is the academics would say, of 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:04.040 the aspects and facets of ours. But we have to 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:07.560 start at the beginning, right, So what exactly are these things? 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:12.360 Here are the facts? So in ancient Greek and Latin, 0:04:12.480 --> 0:04:19.120 the word aura means wind, Breeze or Death. That's my 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:24.599 favorite board game, Wind Breeze or Death. That's the original 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:29.200 really uh and and you know, okay, let's let's let's 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:34.160 simplify it. So wind, breeze and death are all forces 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:36.960 that like exist, but you can't really touch them, right, 0:04:37.000 --> 0:04:38.920 Like this is just me kind of editorializing here a 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:42.160 little bit, But the belief of an aura really kind 0:04:42.160 --> 0:04:44.440 of simplifies down to the idea of an energy field 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:51.480 of vibration, something emanating uh from or between all living things. Um. 0:04:51.560 --> 0:04:54.719 And this is like a lot of concepts in the 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:59.240 sort of ephemeral kind of spiritual realm, very much present 0:04:59.560 --> 0:05:04.560 among different cultures, different religions, different geographical locations throughout the 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:07.640 ancient world. Um. Towards the end of the eighteen hundreds, 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:13.000 you started having spiritualists, mediums, fortune tellers, and the like 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:17.640 using the word aura to specifically describe a very visual 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:20.880 phenomenon um, which is kind of what we think of 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:26.400 as an aura today. Yeah, light that emanates around or 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:32.839 out of someone. And we've talked yeah, not exactly. And 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:37.080 we we've talked about spiritualism before on this show pretty 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:41.159 extensively in in you know how that came about at 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:44.599 least modern spiritualism in the in the eighteen hundreds there 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:48.520 and there was a specific person, man named Charles Webster 0:05:48.720 --> 0:05:53.719 lead Better, who actually popularized the term aura for the 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:58.080 Western world. At least he's he's cited as popularizing it. 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:03.679 And he first white guy status. Yeah, exactly. That happens 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:06.080 a lot. We're talked about on the show a lot um. 0:06:06.200 --> 0:06:12.040 He was studying theosophy in India and he, you know, said, 0:06:12.200 --> 0:06:16.080 and you know, believed that he was a clairvoyant of 0:06:16.160 --> 0:06:20.920 some kind and that he could perceive something like this. Yeah. 0:06:21.080 --> 0:06:25.240 And clairvoyance, as we all recall, is not the same 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:29.599 thing as precognition. Uh. You know, the most basic form 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:33.800 of clairvoyance is the idea that someone can be aware 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:40.520 of things that are happening at a remove right. You 0:06:40.520 --> 0:06:43.839 you know, when you know the exact moment of sibling 0:06:44.000 --> 0:06:47.400 is injured in a car accident or a child, or 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:50.839 you hear you know what someone is saying a continent. 0:06:50.839 --> 0:06:53.960 In a way, you have some sort of insight into 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:57.919 the hidden world. And that's what that's what this guy believed. 0:06:58.480 --> 0:07:01.560 He had been a pret to the Church of England. Uh. 0:07:02.000 --> 0:07:07.159 He later went on to use his clairvoyance as he 0:07:07.200 --> 0:07:12.120 saw it, and his uh his experience in India to 0:07:12.400 --> 0:07:15.720 inform his writing. He wrote a book called Man Visible 0:07:15.720 --> 0:07:18.960 and Invisible in nineteen o three, and then in nineteen 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:22.080 ten he writes a book called The Inner Life, and 0:07:22.120 --> 0:07:26.920 this lays out his interpretation of what kind of becomes 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:32.040 the the fertile soil of the modern belief in in Auras. 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:37.360 He he does something pretty sneaky here. He takes his 0:07:37.480 --> 0:07:44.160 interpretation of the concept of chakra right and he remixes it. 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:46.880 You know, he does some DJ Khalid with it. But 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:52.560 unlike DJ Khalid, he does not credit the source of 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:55.400 his knowledge. He takes his own ideas, he puts them 0:07:55.400 --> 0:07:58.800 with these ideas he learned from ancient belief systems in India, 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:03.080 and he doesn't really give credit where it's due for 0:08:03.320 --> 0:08:10.200 the for the Indian belief systems that he's somewhat plagiarizing. 0:08:10.600 --> 0:08:15.280 And then over the years, just like just like other 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:20.280 authors picked up the mythos of HP Lovecraft and added 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:25.640 to it, other authors take this guy let Beiter's ideas 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:30.560 and they make them their own. And this actually it's 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:32.520 weird because for a long time in the West this 0:08:32.559 --> 0:08:36.120 was somewhat obscure. It was like it was like a 0:08:36.120 --> 0:08:40.360 minor point and also ran in the spirituality movement, and 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:44.520 then in the nineteen seventies, late nineteen seventies, early eighties, 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:48.840 the New Age movement picks this up. Yeah, and and 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:51.600 it's a little different in the New Age movement, but 0:08:51.679 --> 0:08:53.960 again at the root, it's all kind of the same thing. 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:58.800 And it even traverses into the world of paranormal research 0:08:59.040 --> 0:09:03.360 and paranormal leaf and in there you're really talking about 0:09:03.400 --> 0:09:08.360 a an energy field, some type of visible or invisible 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:11.120 to the naked eye energy field, but an energy field 0:09:11.120 --> 0:09:15.880 that exists around all humans, animals, and you know, sometimes 0:09:15.960 --> 0:09:19.920 living things, sometimes objects that have been touched or were 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:24.600 significant in some action or to some person. Even when 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:26.720 you when you think of objects, even like a whole house, 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:30.680 right or or a whole church or a castle or 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:34.640 some other location can have an aura to it. And 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:37.240 a lot of times kind of as I was mentioning 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:40.480 earlier about this golden aura thing that murder Kroger Lady said, 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:44.480 um auras tend to be described as having a certain 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:49.360 color or hue to them, and they have a certain size, 0:09:49.480 --> 0:09:51.920 whether or not they're going out further from the person 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:56.760 or just right around their silhouette. And even some auras 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:59.280 are or at least some descriptions of ours are said 0:09:59.320 --> 0:10:01.200 to have a vibe ration, as we said at the 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:04.679 top of the show, a certain frequency at which that 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:08.320 I that light kind of moves. This is interesting because 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:16.760 you will find many practitioners of aura perception of saying 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:19.920 that there are there there's a certain geography to it, 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:22.520 or a certain anatomy about it, right like ouras have 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:27.120 seven layers aligned in one way or another with chakra points, 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:32.320 or that they that certain colors always indicate certain things 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:38.080 in our pal polls or of photographs. That that he 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:40.160 showed us, Thank you for doing that, Paul, before we 0:10:40.480 --> 0:10:45.160 went on the air. He had a violent spot I 0:10:45.200 --> 0:10:50.360 believe he was saying, and that indicated a specific emotional 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:56.120 tendency or present emotion. And the thing about this is 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:59.800 that in the realm of the paranormal, like you mentioned, 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:01.920 mat or in the realm of what's called psychic healing, 0:11:02.720 --> 0:11:07.679 practitioners believe they can perceive this energy field that is 0:11:07.720 --> 0:11:10.960 as much a part of your anatomy as your hand 0:11:11.679 --> 0:11:15.200 or um, your That's the thing on the what's the 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:19.679 funny name for the elders, the weyness or your weenness. Yeah, well, 0:11:19.760 --> 0:11:22.680 it's like your spiritual weakness. It's it's a little flap 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:24.959 of skin on the tip of your elbow that has 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:27.040 no feeling. You can pinch it as hard as you 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:31.520 please and you won't feel a thing, and it's called awenness. Well, 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:34.880 now we all know. The more you know or is 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:39.760 the spiritual weakness. Uh, we promised, we we are giving this. 0:11:39.960 --> 0:11:43.000 We are treated this with respect. So people will say 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:46.080 that they have some sort of innate gift to perceive 0:11:46.200 --> 0:11:47.920 or us and they'll often it's going to be very 0:11:47.960 --> 0:11:53.360 important later. They'll often say that this is a family gift, right, 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:55.640 I had a great aunt or I had a you know, 0:11:55.760 --> 0:12:00.400 ancestors who also perceived uras. That's pretty common actually, when 0:12:00.400 --> 0:12:02.120 you talk to people and they feel like they're in 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:05.480 a safe space to disclose that information. But then you'll 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:09.400 also hear people say that they have meditated or trained 0:12:09.800 --> 0:12:11.959 in the art of perceiving an aura. So maybe they 0:12:11.960 --> 0:12:16.480 didn't have the innate ability where they hadn't naturally just 0:12:16.600 --> 0:12:20.240 always practiced it, but they were able to study such 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:25.280 that they could arrive at this perception that's interesting because 0:12:25.320 --> 0:12:29.520 you can't you can't usually do that with other sensory inputs. 0:12:29.600 --> 0:12:33.880 You can't practice looking at stuff in a way that 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:37.199 makes your vision better, you know what I mean? Oh yeah, 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:41.800 and you know, um, they're even they're even people who 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:44.480 say that they've either trained like that like you're talking 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:46.800 about Ben, or they have a gift that is strong 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:50.000 enough to where they can actually look at your aura 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:55.920 and then tell things about you read that aura as though. Uh, 0:12:55.920 --> 0:13:01.199 it's it's a set of or a give insights into 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:03.840 not only your personality what you're going through, but maybe 0:13:03.840 --> 0:13:07.000 your past, maybe your future. Um, in the same way 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:12.040 a dendrochronologists could read a trees life right by which 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:14.120 is true. I don't know why I quote did quotations 0:13:14.160 --> 0:13:16.280 for that, but it's true by looking at tree rings. 0:13:16.320 --> 0:13:19.920 If you cut a section of a tree or maybe 0:13:19.920 --> 0:13:21.720 one that's been felled all the way and you're looking 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:24.360 at all the rings, um, you can see what's happened 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:27.440 to that tree. These people say they claim to be 0:13:27.480 --> 0:13:31.520 able to read you, So it's sort of like leftover 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:36.160 layers of psychic energy or something that represent things that 0:13:36.200 --> 0:13:39.079 you've been through in your life or maybe traumas or 0:13:39.160 --> 0:13:42.520 you know, you're you theoretically could look at someone and say, oh, 0:13:42.559 --> 0:13:45.320 I see like palm reading or something like the idea 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:48.400 that you can read the tea leaves of this, Uh, 0:13:48.480 --> 0:13:51.360 this aura is that that's sort of what the gist is. 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:56.600 I mean, yes, I had always thought about it as 0:13:56.679 --> 0:14:00.800 closer to dream interpretation. That's that's the way I had 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:05.120 thought about it until realizing in this episode, really, until 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:09.679 realizing that there are practitioners who who claim at least 0:14:09.760 --> 0:14:13.720 to be able to get very specific information from it, 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:16.880 like one to one, this color in this place, that 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:21.520 this vibration and this frequency means this. And everybody who 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:24.760 just heard that and automatically wants to dismiss it as 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:28.240 cold reading, please save your emails for the end of 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:31.360 the show. But we get it. I'm not saying that 0:14:31.480 --> 0:14:34.320 I believe that or it's true. It's just I didn't 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:37.440 understand that was even a claim, right right, And the 0:14:37.520 --> 0:14:43.040 dendo chronologist is is a great comparison because what's what 0:14:43.200 --> 0:14:46.600 happens can feel very similar, you know, I see based 0:14:46.600 --> 0:14:51.800 on this says the practitioner that you experienced a great 0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:56.200 personal trauma and that it affects you in the modern day. 0:14:56.840 --> 0:15:00.840 And I think most people at to a certain age 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:04.240 have experienced some great emotional trauma that affects them in 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:06.960 the modern day. But I don't want to sound I 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:09.840 don't want to sound you know, just dismissive of this. 0:15:09.920 --> 0:15:13.560 We shouldn't throw out everything until we dig down into it. 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:19.080 What's what's strange is that it reminds me of psychometry 0:15:19.200 --> 0:15:24.040 a little bit. There's there's a fantastic there's a fantastic 0:15:24.080 --> 0:15:30.600 film called Vibes with uh Cyndi Lauper and Jeff Goldbloom. Uh, okay, 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:36.200 looking into that right now? Is eighties right? Or is 0:15:36.200 --> 0:15:39.760 it like early early nineties or I can't I can't remember, man, 0:15:39.880 --> 0:15:43.840 But I love this because as psychic powers uh as 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:47.360 a as a huge plot point. It is not uh 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:51.480 what most people would call a good or watchable film, 0:15:51.520 --> 0:15:56.479 but Jeff Jeff Goldbloom's character has a power called psychometry. 0:15:56.960 --> 0:16:00.280 Psychometry is like reading the area as a physical both 0:16:00.320 --> 0:16:05.200 things you can touch. You can touch something and get 0:16:05.200 --> 0:16:07.240 an impression of the last person who touched it, when 0:16:07.240 --> 0:16:11.200 the last location was at And the more emotionally charged 0:16:11.240 --> 0:16:15.320 this kind of thing is, the more vivid the impressions 0:16:15.360 --> 0:16:18.480 so you touch a murder weapon and it's a visceral 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:24.120 experience for some people. Who but for some people when 0:16:24.160 --> 0:16:29.200 they describe encountering auras, they can also have a very 0:16:29.320 --> 0:16:34.160 visceral emotional experience based on their their proximity to what 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:39.680 they perceive as an aura, and they can well, there 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:44.520 are claims that they can also manipulate people's auras, you know, 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:48.400 as as a form of therapy. As a form of therapy. Right, 0:16:49.240 --> 0:16:54.440 but but this okay, so if this stuff is true, 0:16:55.360 --> 0:17:05.400 Vibes has a what is this tomato meter? But it's 0:17:05.440 --> 0:17:08.680 got a five point seven on IMDb, so I don't know. 0:17:09.520 --> 0:17:13.679 Maybe it's worth it is the critics versus the people, 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:16.280 Matt and I would say, you know, that depends on 0:17:16.280 --> 0:17:18.159 which side of the fence you fall. But the people 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:20.680 are often wildly out of sync with the critics, which 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:24.320 I think is a good thing. Just folks, list, just 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:28.160 just check out the trailer of for Vibes. Don't watch 0:17:28.160 --> 0:17:31.000 the whole thing. You'll never forgive me for the hours 0:17:31.000 --> 0:17:35.959 of time you will lose. Uh It's it's actually true story. 0:17:36.080 --> 0:17:41.600 Uh I. I had a romantic relationship that that kind 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:45.159 of ended in a nascent stage because We were watching 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:49.000 a film with my house and I said, oh, hey, 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:51.880 do you like eighties movies? Output on a fun wind 0:17:52.040 --> 0:17:54.680 and and it was vibes, and she was like, this 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:56.399 is your idea of a good film. This is not 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:58.240 gonna work out. I think he kind of buried the 0:17:58.280 --> 0:18:01.040 lead here to ben. Peter Fall is in it basically 0:18:01.040 --> 0:18:04.320 playing Colombo, So yes, you got you got gold Bloom 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:06.560 as gold Bloom, which is all he can do. Cyndi 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:08.440 Lauper as Cyndi Lauper, which is all she can do. 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:13.040 And Colombo as Colombo and vibes and energy and pyramids 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:16.280 and crystals and all that good stuff. I'm gonna watch 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:21.399 it this weekend. Uh, you know, I enjoy bad things. 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:24.000 I'm gonna be right there with you in spirit. Then 0:18:24.000 --> 0:18:26.520 I'm gonna watch it too, and then maybe it'll affect 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:30.320 our auras. So if any of this stuff is true, 0:18:31.320 --> 0:18:34.960 then we are we have been as a species on 0:18:35.040 --> 0:18:39.480 the precipice of a brave new world of medicine. Right. 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:42.960 We could heal people, We can diagnose things in ways 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:47.119 that we currently can't. So it's no surprise then that 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:51.119 aura is more than some other psychic or paranormal phenomenon 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:55.560 have been the subject of pretty hardcore research, pretty fascinating stuff, 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:59.240 widely varied incredibility. There have been tons of attempts to 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:03.720 cap sure auras, somehow to manipulate them, to affect them, 0:19:04.000 --> 0:19:06.879 and perhaps it most importantly, to document them in the 0:19:06.920 --> 0:19:08.760 first place. This is where we see one of the 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:13.600 most famous examples of weird photography. It's something called curly 0:19:13.720 --> 0:19:16.520 in photography. You guys have heard of this, right, that's right, 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:19.320 and honestly we can tell you right now. Originally for 0:19:19.400 --> 0:19:21.320 this episode we were going to focus just on that, 0:19:22.000 --> 0:19:25.240 but there's so much interesting stuff surrounding auras in general. 0:19:25.480 --> 0:19:28.720 That's why you're getting this episode right now, and we're 0:19:28.760 --> 0:19:32.879 gonna tell you all about curly and photography after a 0:19:32.960 --> 0:19:42.760 quick word from our sponsor, and we're back. So in 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:47.280 nineteen nine, a man by the name of Simion Davidovich 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:52.200 curly in figured out that he could capture these kind 0:19:52.240 --> 0:19:58.119 of strange glowing clouds emanating from objects if he placed 0:19:58.240 --> 0:20:02.159 them directly on photograph paper and then zapped them with 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:06.600 the high voltage shock across the object itself. Um, and 0:20:06.720 --> 0:20:09.399 some of these are really cool looking, like super psychedelic, 0:20:09.800 --> 0:20:12.680 colorful images. One of the most famous comes from a 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:16.439 leaf that has been damaged partially and in the photo 0:20:16.560 --> 0:20:19.240 you can see the physical leaf, but it also appears 0:20:19.280 --> 0:20:23.760 that there's some sort of energy, uh, kind of remaining 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:27.040 in the shape of the torn areas, like a fant 0:20:27.160 --> 0:20:30.399 phantom leaf, you know. Uh, well, so we could call 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:34.200 that an aura. Right. It's definitely one of those things 0:20:34.400 --> 0:20:37.280 that when you first stumble upon it and look at 0:20:37.359 --> 0:20:42.120 it it it pushes you towards believer in the slightest 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:44.560 even if you're the most skeptical person ever. You see 0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:47.840 that image of the leaf and the part of it 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:51.919 that is gone, that is still there in some way. Um, 0:20:52.160 --> 0:20:56.639 you're you're My mind at least was reeling when I 0:20:56.760 --> 0:21:00.160 first encountered this. Is this the one that's like it's 0:21:00.200 --> 0:21:03.080 cut pretty cleanly, and then then it's just like there's 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:08.000 like an outline literally completing the leaf. Yeah, it's I 0:21:08.160 --> 0:21:10.159 believe it might someone check me on this, but it 0:21:10.240 --> 0:21:13.480 might even be in the X files intro. Uh. This 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:16.359 is this is one of those common It's almost a 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:20.040 business card for the paranormal at this point. Uh. And 0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:23.399 it is legit. It's a real photograph. It's not photoshopped. 0:21:23.640 --> 0:21:28.400 It's not. Um, it's not a hoax. The only controversy 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:32.520 about this comes in the form of the interpretation figuring 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:37.399 out how this phantom leaf came to be. Like, you 0:21:37.480 --> 0:21:39.199 can see it, you can search for it on your 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:42.560 browser choice, and yeah, it looks like it looks like 0:21:42.720 --> 0:21:46.480 the ghost of a leaf is partially visible inside the 0:21:46.560 --> 0:21:50.359 physical body of a leaf. And it's completely understandable how 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:55.840 this lead various parapsychologists, psychics, and others to conclude boom 0:21:56.720 --> 0:21:59.080 we always said, or as we're real and now we 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:03.040 have documentation about them. However, this is why we didn't 0:22:03.080 --> 0:22:06.160 do a full episode just on curly in photography. It's 0:22:06.160 --> 0:22:09.680 actually we figured it out, well, other people figured it out. 0:22:10.400 --> 0:22:12.439 And you know, this has been leaned on pretty heavily 0:22:12.560 --> 0:22:17.320 by parapsychologists and psychics who believe that this was the 0:22:17.400 --> 0:22:20.520 real deal. Um, but you know, we we have seen 0:22:20.680 --> 0:22:24.359 later studies that indicate that Curly in effect that we 0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:29.120 see is really more a product of moisture remaining within 0:22:29.240 --> 0:22:33.080 the object and the way electricity interacts with that. Then 0:22:33.520 --> 0:22:38.200 it is some sort of spiritual phenomenon. Yeah, yeah, but 0:22:38.520 --> 0:22:43.639 you know that sounds like a very skeptical answer. Right, 0:22:43.880 --> 0:22:48.560 And if you are a true believer of this, that 0:22:48.960 --> 0:22:51.960 kind of explanation isn't going to cut it to make 0:22:52.080 --> 0:22:54.680 you think, well, no, this is all b s or 0:22:54.760 --> 0:22:58.119 this is all just a natural phenomena of electricity and 0:22:59.000 --> 0:23:02.320 water sent actually so yeah, the true true believers just 0:23:02.400 --> 0:23:06.720 didn't didn't go along with it. There are still millions 0:23:06.840 --> 0:23:10.439 of people who have claimed to perceive something like aura's um, 0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:13.719 even if it's just one time in passing, or if 0:23:13.760 --> 0:23:16.119 it's just a part of their everyday life, that they 0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:22.800 believe they are constantly seeing auras on on people, things, animals, places, 0:23:23.040 --> 0:23:29.640 all of that stuff. But there's especially each thin right, 0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:32.920 You're you're right, matt Um. Knowing that a shock of 0:23:32.960 --> 0:23:36.720 electricity on a moist object causes gas ionization and that 0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:41.119 alters the electric charge of this photographic paper film. Knowing 0:23:41.240 --> 0:23:47.080 how that process works doesn't dissuade people, say, people who 0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:49.440 are convinced, you know, people who truly believe they have 0:23:49.640 --> 0:23:53.760 seen or are seeing auras. But add to that the 0:23:53.840 --> 0:23:57.520 fact that there is no credible, reproducible science experiment that's 0:23:57.520 --> 0:24:00.159 been able to prove the existence of auras in a 0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:04.000 way that both satisfies the skeptics and the psychics alike. 0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:08.560 So what gives is there anything like an actual aura? 0:24:09.680 --> 0:24:13.680 Here's where it gets crazy. Oh I knew it would 0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:18.040 feel it. Yeah, there are there are a few proposed 0:24:18.080 --> 0:24:21.280 causes of at least some things we will call auras. 0:24:21.640 --> 0:24:23.240 But we have to get the downers out of the 0:24:23.280 --> 0:24:26.760 way first. People really want to believe cool stuff. I 0:24:26.920 --> 0:24:30.600 do everything. Everybody. Yeah, everybody wants to believe cool stuff, 0:24:30.960 --> 0:24:41.680 everyone except nerds. But sometimes we love this idea of 0:24:41.800 --> 0:24:45.159 cool stuff so much that we can convince ourselves we 0:24:45.320 --> 0:24:48.200 see something that isn't actually there. And this is not 0:24:48.400 --> 0:24:52.520 to say that anybody is purposely deceiving anyone. It's just 0:24:52.680 --> 0:24:57.320 possible for us to deceive ourselves through one method or another. 0:24:57.960 --> 0:25:02.199 And you know, there's also the very your real occurrence 0:25:02.560 --> 0:25:07.639 and possibility that the perception of an aura can be 0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:15.160 explained in some kind of mental health fashion. People can, 0:25:15.320 --> 0:25:20.600 for a vary number of reasons, hallucinate or have an 0:25:20.640 --> 0:25:28.240 illusion of perceiving something like an aura um although you know, 0:25:29.440 --> 0:25:30.960 for for a lot of people this would be an 0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:35.400 episodic thing, right, or or a single occurrence where I'm 0:25:35.520 --> 0:25:41.280 I'm having I'm going through something from a mental health perspective, 0:25:41.520 --> 0:25:46.000 and it is causing me to perceive this um rather 0:25:46.080 --> 0:25:50.480 than it is just always happening right generally that that 0:25:50.560 --> 0:25:53.880 doesn't mean it lands in every case, but generally, Yeah. 0:25:53.960 --> 0:25:57.840 It could also be something where there is a physiological 0:25:58.000 --> 0:26:03.160 condition with the eye, is right, or the connection between 0:26:03.160 --> 0:26:07.040 the eyes and the brain, or look, I'm going to 0:26:07.160 --> 0:26:13.439 say it, drugs, after images, catching waves and streaks. People 0:26:13.800 --> 0:26:16.399 have encountered that sort of stuff and that we can 0:26:16.520 --> 0:26:20.119 explain to a large degree through science. But we also 0:26:20.280 --> 0:26:22.440 know there's a really trippy thing here. We also know 0:26:22.640 --> 0:26:26.320 that physiological and psychological factors come into play here in 0:26:26.400 --> 0:26:29.359 a very weird intersection that a lot of people aren't 0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:33.159 aware of. Uh. There's someone named Bridget Perez who is 0:26:33.200 --> 0:26:38.200 writing for the Skeptical Enquirer and noted that there is 0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:43.239 a specific enzyme in every single person which is known 0:26:43.320 --> 0:26:48.560 as catacholt oh methyl transferrase or c o MT. It 0:26:48.680 --> 0:26:54.960 breaks down the dopamine in your brain, and it's it's weird. Okay, 0:26:55.080 --> 0:26:58.840 So everybody's got this right, but we have different versions 0:26:58.920 --> 0:27:02.520 of it. So some both have a allele with the 0:27:02.680 --> 0:27:06.520