1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called 6 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: me Ben. We are joined as always with our super producer, 7 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 1: Paul Mission Controlled Decond. Most importantly, you are you. You 8 00:00:36,159 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: are here, and that makes this stuff they don't want 9 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,800 Speaker 1: you to know. Our Our show today kicked off with 10 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:48,199 Speaker 1: something pretty interesting. Before we started rolling. You see our 11 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 1: trustee rider die on the ones and twos. Paul Mission 12 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: Controlled Decond showed us a series of pretty fascinating photographs 13 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 1: that I think maybe we can discuss a little later 14 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:02,880 Speaker 1: in the show. Let's let's set this up. Okay, uh, 15 00:01:02,960 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: Let's set this up with an easy example. Picture this. 16 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 1: You're in a dark room. There's another person standing on 17 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: the opposite side of this room. You're too far away 18 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: to touch each other. You cannot see each other, but 19 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: you're close enough to maybe hear each other speak. There 20 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 1: is no source of normal mundane light, but for some reason, 21 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: on the far side of this room, you can see 22 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:34,680 Speaker 1: something a vague profile, a dimly lit silhouette of some sort. 23 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: Maybe it's changing color or size, or vibrating differently as 24 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: the person across the room experiences a range of various emotions. 25 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 1: Have you just seen an aura? I mean, that's that's 26 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:54,120 Speaker 1: like the easiest textbook, quintessential example of experiencing or perceiving 27 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 1: an aura. It's it's something that's pretty common. Have you 28 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: guys ever in your life had some kind of experience 29 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: where you thought we saw something like that. I once 30 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 1: had a black light poster? Is that the same thing? 31 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: This is a bit weird, and I just have to 32 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: quickly tell the story. One time I was I was 33 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:16,040 Speaker 1: at a local Kroger, the one that was affectionately known 34 00:02:16,080 --> 00:02:19,519 Speaker 1: as Murder Kroger here in Atlanta, classic Kroger, it's still 35 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: murder Kroger. I was going down one of the aisles 36 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: and um, an older woman was there shopping alone, and 37 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: as I'm passing her, I just said, you know, a 38 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 1: pleasantry to her or something, and she turned to me 39 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: and she had this, uh, kind of confused look on 40 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: her face, and she told me that my aura was 41 00:02:46,919 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: was golden and so bright, and I just went okay 42 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: by and then left and well, and and yeah, I 43 00:02:58,280 --> 00:03:00,200 Speaker 1: didn't know what to think of it, like it seemed mind. 44 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,600 Speaker 1: I don't know what golden auras meant at that time. 45 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:06,520 Speaker 1: I had a conversation with my wife about it, and 46 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,400 Speaker 1: we had this really interesting conversation about what we're gonna 47 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,920 Speaker 1: be talking about today. And I didn't realize it. But 48 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: this the belief in these things or us specifically with 49 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: humans and sometimes with animals and other living creatures. It's 50 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,200 Speaker 1: a belief that is far and wide. And I did 51 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 1: not realize this. Yeah, some version of it is uh 52 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: is spread far and wide, or as the idea that 53 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 1: uh there there is something like a subtle anatomy to 54 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: living things, right, maybe not tangible, but they're nonetheless. I'll 55 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: be honest. I've had similar um, I have had experiences 56 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 1: with similar things that I am still at a loss 57 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: to explain. But we're we're going to do our best 58 00:03:54,040 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: today too. Unpack. Unpack is the academics would say, of 59 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: the aspects and facets of ours. But we have to 60 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: start at the beginning, right, So what exactly are these things? 61 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:12,360 Speaker 1: Here are the facts? So in ancient Greek and Latin, 62 00:04:12,480 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: the word aura means wind, Breeze or Death. That's my 63 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: favorite board game, Wind Breeze or Death. That's the original 64 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:29,200 Speaker 1: really uh and and you know, okay, let's let's let's 65 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:34,160 Speaker 1: simplify it. So wind, breeze and death are all forces 66 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: that like exist, but you can't really touch them, right, 67 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: Like this is just me kind of editorializing here a 68 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: little bit, But the belief of an aura really kind 69 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: of simplifies down to the idea of an energy field 70 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:51,480 Speaker 1: of vibration, something emanating uh from or between all living things. Um. 71 00:04:51,560 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: And this is like a lot of concepts in the 72 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: sort of ephemeral kind of spiritual realm, very much present 73 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: among different cultures, different religions, different geographical locations throughout the 74 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: ancient world. Um. Towards the end of the eighteen hundreds, 75 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 1: you started having spiritualists, mediums, fortune tellers, and the like 76 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: using the word aura to specifically describe a very visual 77 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,880 Speaker 1: phenomenon um, which is kind of what we think of 78 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: as an aura today. Yeah, light that emanates around or 79 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:32,839 Speaker 1: out of someone. And we've talked yeah, not exactly. And 80 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:37,080 Speaker 1: we we've talked about spiritualism before on this show pretty 81 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:41,159 Speaker 1: extensively in in you know how that came about at 82 00:05:41,200 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: least modern spiritualism in the in the eighteen hundreds there 83 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: and there was a specific person, man named Charles Webster 84 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: lead Better, who actually popularized the term aura for the 85 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: Western world. At least he's he's cited as popularizing it. 86 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:03,679 Speaker 1: And he first white guy status. Yeah, exactly. That happens 87 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: a lot. We're talked about on the show a lot um. 88 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 1: He was studying theosophy in India and he, you know, said, 89 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: and you know, believed that he was a clairvoyant of 90 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:20,920 Speaker 1: some kind and that he could perceive something like this. Yeah. 91 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: And clairvoyance, as we all recall, is not the same 92 00:06:25,279 --> 00:06:29,599 Speaker 1: thing as precognition. Uh. You know, the most basic form 93 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: of clairvoyance is the idea that someone can be aware 94 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 1: of things that are happening at a remove right. You 95 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 1: you know, when you know the exact moment of sibling 96 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 1: is injured in a car accident or a child, or 97 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 1: you hear you know what someone is saying a continent. 98 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: In a way, you have some sort of insight into 99 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:57,919 Speaker 1: the hidden world. And that's what that's what this guy believed. 100 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,560 Speaker 1: He had been a pret to the Church of England. Uh. 101 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:07,159 Speaker 1: He later went on to use his clairvoyance as he 102 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: saw it, and his uh his experience in India to 103 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: inform his writing. He wrote a book called Man Visible 104 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 1: and Invisible in nineteen o three, and then in nineteen 105 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 1: ten he writes a book called The Inner Life, and 106 00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: this lays out his interpretation of what kind of becomes 107 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:32,040 Speaker 1: the the fertile soil of the modern belief in in Auras. 108 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: He he does something pretty sneaky here. He takes his 109 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: interpretation of the concept of chakra right and he remixes it. 110 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: You know, he does some DJ Khalid with it. But 111 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: unlike DJ Khalid, he does not credit the source of 112 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,400 Speaker 1: his knowledge. He takes his own ideas, he puts them 113 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 1: with these ideas he learned from ancient belief systems in India, 114 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: and he doesn't really give credit where it's due for 115 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: the for the Indian belief systems that he's somewhat plagiarizing. 116 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: And then over the years, just like just like other 117 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:20,280 Speaker 1: authors picked up the mythos of HP Lovecraft and added 118 00:08:20,320 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: to it, other authors take this guy let Beiter's ideas 119 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: and they make them their own. And this actually it's 120 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: weird because for a long time in the West this 121 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:36,120 Speaker 1: was somewhat obscure. It was like it was like a 122 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: minor point and also ran in the spirituality movement, and 123 00:08:40,400 --> 00:08:44,520 Speaker 1: then in the nineteen seventies, late nineteen seventies, early eighties, 124 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: the New Age movement picks this up. Yeah, and and 125 00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: it's a little different in the New Age movement, but 126 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: again at the root, it's all kind of the same thing. 127 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: And it even traverses into the world of paranormal research 128 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:03,360 Speaker 1: and paranormal leaf and in there you're really talking about 129 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: a an energy field, some type of visible or invisible 130 00:09:08,360 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: to the naked eye energy field, but an energy field 131 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: that exists around all humans, animals, and you know, sometimes 132 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 1: living things, sometimes objects that have been touched or were 133 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:24,600 Speaker 1: significant in some action or to some person. Even when 134 00:09:24,600 --> 00:09:26,720 Speaker 1: you when you think of objects, even like a whole house, 135 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,680 Speaker 1: right or or a whole church or a castle or 136 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: some other location can have an aura to it. And 137 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: a lot of times kind of as I was mentioning 138 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: earlier about this golden aura thing that murder Kroger Lady said, 139 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: um auras tend to be described as having a certain 140 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:49,360 Speaker 1: color or hue to them, and they have a certain size, 141 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: whether or not they're going out further from the person 142 00:09:52,040 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 1: or just right around their silhouette. And even some auras 143 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,280 Speaker 1: are or at least some descriptions of ours are said 144 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 1: to have a vibe ration, as we said at the 145 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 1: top of the show, a certain frequency at which that 146 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 1: I that light kind of moves. This is interesting because 147 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: you will find many practitioners of aura perception of saying 148 00:10:16,840 --> 00:10:19,920 Speaker 1: that there are there there's a certain geography to it, 149 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: or a certain anatomy about it, right like ouras have 150 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: seven layers aligned in one way or another with chakra points, 151 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:32,320 Speaker 1: or that they that certain colors always indicate certain things 152 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:38,080 Speaker 1: in our pal polls or of photographs. That that he 153 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 1: showed us, Thank you for doing that, Paul, before we 154 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: went on the air. He had a violent spot I 155 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 1: believe he was saying, and that indicated a specific emotional 156 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: tendency or present emotion. And the thing about this is 157 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:59,800 Speaker 1: that in the realm of the paranormal, like you mentioned, 158 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 1: mat or in the realm of what's called psychic healing, 159 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 1: practitioners believe they can perceive this energy field that is 160 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: as much a part of your anatomy as your hand 161 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: or um, your That's the thing on the what's the 162 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 1: funny name for the elders, the weyness or your weenness. Yeah, well, 163 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: it's like your spiritual weakness. It's it's a little flap 164 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:24,959 Speaker 1: of skin on the tip of your elbow that has 165 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: no feeling. You can pinch it as hard as you 166 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 1: please and you won't feel a thing, and it's called awenness. Well, 167 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,880 Speaker 1: now we all know. The more you know or is 168 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: the spiritual weakness. Uh, we promised, we we are giving this. 169 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: We are treated this with respect. So people will say 170 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,080 Speaker 1: that they have some sort of innate gift to perceive 171 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: or us and they'll often it's going to be very 172 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:53,360 Speaker 1: important later. They'll often say that this is a family gift, right, 173 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: I had a great aunt or I had a you know, 174 00:11:55,760 --> 00:12:00,400 Speaker 1: ancestors who also perceived uras. That's pretty common actually, when 175 00:12:00,400 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: you talk to people and they feel like they're in 176 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 1: a safe space to disclose that information. But then you'll 177 00:12:05,520 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: also hear people say that they have meditated or trained 178 00:12:09,800 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 1: in the art of perceiving an aura. So maybe they 179 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: didn't have the innate ability where they hadn't naturally just 180 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: always practiced it, but they were able to study such 181 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:25,280 Speaker 1: that they could arrive at this perception that's interesting because 182 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: you can't you can't usually do that with other sensory inputs. 183 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:33,880 Speaker 1: You can't practice looking at stuff in a way that 184 00:12:33,920 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 1: makes your vision better, you know what I mean? Oh yeah, 185 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:41,800 Speaker 1: and you know, um, they're even they're even people who 186 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: say that they've either trained like that like you're talking 187 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: about Ben, or they have a gift that is strong 188 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,000 Speaker 1: enough to where they can actually look at your aura 189 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: and then tell things about you read that aura as though. Uh, 190 00:12:55,920 --> 00:13:01,199 Speaker 1: it's it's a set of or a give insights into 191 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: not only your personality what you're going through, but maybe 192 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: your past, maybe your future. Um, in the same way 193 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: a dendrochronologists could read a trees life right by which 194 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: is true. I don't know why I quote did quotations 195 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: for that, but it's true by looking at tree rings. 196 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: If you cut a section of a tree or maybe 197 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: one that's been felled all the way and you're looking 198 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: at all the rings, um, you can see what's happened 199 00:13:24,400 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: to that tree. These people say they claim to be 200 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,520 Speaker 1: able to read you, So it's sort of like leftover 201 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: layers of psychic energy or something that represent things that 202 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,079 Speaker 1: you've been through in your life or maybe traumas or 203 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: you know, you're you theoretically could look at someone and say, oh, 204 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,320 Speaker 1: I see like palm reading or something like the idea 205 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: that you can read the tea leaves of this, Uh, 206 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: this aura is that that's sort of what the gist is. 207 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: I mean, yes, I had always thought about it as 208 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: closer to dream interpretation. That's that's the way I had 209 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:05,120 Speaker 1: thought about it until realizing in this episode, really, until 210 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 1: realizing that there are practitioners who who claim at least 211 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: to be able to get very specific information from it, 212 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 1: like one to one, this color in this place, that 213 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: this vibration and this frequency means this. And everybody who 214 00:14:21,640 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: just heard that and automatically wants to dismiss it as 215 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: cold reading, please save your emails for the end of 216 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: the show. But we get it. I'm not saying that 217 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: I believe that or it's true. It's just I didn't 218 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: understand that was even a claim, right right, And the 219 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: dendo chronologist is is a great comparison because what's what 220 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: happens can feel very similar, you know, I see based 221 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 1: on this says the practitioner that you experienced a great 222 00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:56,200 Speaker 1: personal trauma and that it affects you in the modern day. 223 00:14:56,840 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: And I think most people at to a certain age 224 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: have experienced some great emotional trauma that affects them in 225 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: the modern day. But I don't want to sound I 226 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: don't want to sound you know, just dismissive of this. 227 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: We shouldn't throw out everything until we dig down into it. 228 00:15:14,160 --> 00:15:19,080 Speaker 1: What's what's strange is that it reminds me of psychometry 229 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: a little bit. There's there's a fantastic there's a fantastic 230 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: film called Vibes with uh Cyndi Lauper and Jeff Goldbloom. Uh, okay, 231 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 1: looking into that right now? Is eighties right? Or is 232 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: it like early early nineties or I can't I can't remember, man, 233 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: But I love this because as psychic powers uh as 234 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: a as a huge plot point. It is not uh 235 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: what most people would call a good or watchable film, 236 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:56,479 Speaker 1: but Jeff Jeff Goldbloom's character has a power called psychometry. 237 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 1: Psychometry is like reading the area as a physical both 238 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: things you can touch. You can touch something and get 239 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: an impression of the last person who touched it, when 240 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:11,200 Speaker 1: the last location was at And the more emotionally charged 241 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:15,320 Speaker 1: this kind of thing is, the more vivid the impressions 242 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: so you touch a murder weapon and it's a visceral 243 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: experience for some people. Who but for some people when 244 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:29,200 Speaker 1: they describe encountering auras, they can also have a very 245 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: visceral emotional experience based on their their proximity to what 246 00:16:34,280 --> 00:16:39,680 Speaker 1: they perceive as an aura, and they can well, there 247 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: are claims that they can also manipulate people's auras, you know, 248 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 1: as as a form of therapy. As a form of therapy. Right, 249 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: but but this okay, so if this stuff is true, 250 00:16:55,360 --> 00:17:05,400 Speaker 1: Vibes has a what is this tomato meter? But it's 251 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 1: got a five point seven on IMDb, so I don't know. 252 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:13,679 Speaker 1: Maybe it's worth it is the critics versus the people, 253 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: Matt and I would say, you know, that depends on 254 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 1: which side of the fence you fall. But the people 255 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 1: are often wildly out of sync with the critics, which 256 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: I think is a good thing. Just folks, list, just 257 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:28,160 Speaker 1: just check out the trailer of for Vibes. Don't watch 258 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: the whole thing. You'll never forgive me for the hours 259 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:35,959 Speaker 1: of time you will lose. Uh It's it's actually true story. 260 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: Uh I. I had a romantic relationship that that kind 261 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 1: of ended in a nascent stage because We were watching 262 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:49,000 Speaker 1: a film with my house and I said, oh, hey, 263 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,880 Speaker 1: do you like eighties movies? Output on a fun wind 264 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,680 Speaker 1: and and it was vibes, and she was like, this 265 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: is your idea of a good film. This is not 266 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 1: gonna work out. I think he kind of buried the 267 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: lead here to ben. Peter Fall is in it basically 268 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: playing Colombo, So yes, you got you got gold Bloom 269 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 1: as gold Bloom, which is all he can do. Cyndi 270 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 1: Lauper as Cyndi Lauper, which is all she can do. 271 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 1: And Colombo as Colombo and vibes and energy and pyramids 272 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,280 Speaker 1: and crystals and all that good stuff. I'm gonna watch 273 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:21,399 Speaker 1: it this weekend. Uh, you know, I enjoy bad things. 274 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:24,000 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be right there with you in spirit. Then 275 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch it too, and then maybe it'll affect 276 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: our auras. So if any of this stuff is true, 277 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: then we are we have been as a species on 278 00:18:35,040 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: the precipice of a brave new world of medicine. Right. 279 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: We could heal people, We can diagnose things in ways 280 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: that we currently can't. So it's no surprise then that 281 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: aura is more than some other psychic or paranormal phenomenon 282 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: have been the subject of pretty hardcore research, pretty fascinating stuff, 283 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: widely varied incredibility. There have been tons of attempts to 284 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: cap sure auras, somehow to manipulate them, to affect them, 285 00:19:04,000 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: and perhaps it most importantly, to document them in the 286 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: first place. This is where we see one of the 287 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: most famous examples of weird photography. It's something called curly 288 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: in photography. You guys have heard of this, right, that's right, 289 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,320 Speaker 1: and honestly we can tell you right now. Originally for 290 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:21,320 Speaker 1: this episode we were going to focus just on that, 291 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: but there's so much interesting stuff surrounding auras in general. 292 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 1: That's why you're getting this episode right now, and we're 293 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: gonna tell you all about curly and photography after a 294 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: quick word from our sponsor, and we're back. So in 295 00:19:42,960 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: nineteen nine, a man by the name of Simion Davidovich 296 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:52,200 Speaker 1: curly in figured out that he could capture these kind 297 00:19:52,240 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 1: of strange glowing clouds emanating from objects if he placed 298 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 1: them directly on photograph paper and then zapped them with 299 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:06,600 Speaker 1: the high voltage shock across the object itself. Um, and 300 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: some of these are really cool looking, like super psychedelic, 301 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 1: colorful images. One of the most famous comes from a 302 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:16,439 Speaker 1: leaf that has been damaged partially and in the photo 303 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,240 Speaker 1: you can see the physical leaf, but it also appears 304 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: that there's some sort of energy, uh, kind of remaining 305 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: in the shape of the torn areas, like a fant 306 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,399 Speaker 1: phantom leaf, you know. Uh, well, so we could call 307 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 1: that an aura. Right. It's definitely one of those things 308 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: that when you first stumble upon it and look at 309 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:42,120 Speaker 1: it it it pushes you towards believer in the slightest 310 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: even if you're the most skeptical person ever. You see 311 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,840 Speaker 1: that image of the leaf and the part of it 312 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 1: that is gone, that is still there in some way. Um, 313 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:56,639 Speaker 1: you're you're My mind at least was reeling when I 314 00:20:56,760 --> 00:21:00,160 Speaker 1: first encountered this. Is this the one that's like it's 315 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: cut pretty cleanly, and then then it's just like there's 316 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: like an outline literally completing the leaf. Yeah, it's I 317 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 1: believe it might someone check me on this, but it 318 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:13,480 Speaker 1: might even be in the X files intro. Uh. This 319 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 1: is this is one of those common It's almost a 320 00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 1: business card for the paranormal at this point. Uh. And 321 00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:23,399 Speaker 1: it is legit. It's a real photograph. It's not photoshopped. 322 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:28,400 Speaker 1: It's not. Um, it's not a hoax. The only controversy 323 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: about this comes in the form of the interpretation figuring 324 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 1: out how this phantom leaf came to be. Like, you 325 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 1: can see it, you can search for it on your 326 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: browser choice, and yeah, it looks like it looks like 327 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:46,480 Speaker 1: the ghost of a leaf is partially visible inside the 328 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:50,359 Speaker 1: physical body of a leaf. And it's completely understandable how 329 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:55,840 Speaker 1: this lead various parapsychologists, psychics, and others to conclude boom 330 00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: we always said, or as we're real and now we 331 00:21:59,200 --> 00:22:03,040 Speaker 1: have documentation about them. However, this is why we didn't 332 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 1: do a full episode just on curly in photography. It's 333 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,680 Speaker 1: actually we figured it out, well, other people figured it out. 334 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,439 Speaker 1: And you know, this has been leaned on pretty heavily 335 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: by parapsychologists and psychics who believe that this was the 336 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: real deal. Um, but you know, we we have seen 337 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:24,359 Speaker 1: later studies that indicate that Curly in effect that we 338 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 1: see is really more a product of moisture remaining within 339 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: the object and the way electricity interacts with that. Then 340 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:38,200 Speaker 1: it is some sort of spiritual phenomenon. Yeah, yeah, but 341 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: you know that sounds like a very skeptical answer. Right, 342 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: And if you are a true believer of this, that 343 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,960 Speaker 1: kind of explanation isn't going to cut it to make 344 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,680 Speaker 1: you think, well, no, this is all b s or 345 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,119 Speaker 1: this is all just a natural phenomena of electricity and 346 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,320 Speaker 1: water sent actually so yeah, the true true believers just 347 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: didn't didn't go along with it. There are still millions 348 00:23:06,840 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 1: of people who have claimed to perceive something like aura's um, 349 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,719 Speaker 1: even if it's just one time in passing, or if 350 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: it's just a part of their everyday life, that they 351 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: believe they are constantly seeing auras on on people, things, animals, places, 352 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:29,640 Speaker 1: all of that stuff. But there's especially each thin right, 353 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:32,920 Speaker 1: You're you're right, matt Um. Knowing that a shock of 354 00:23:32,960 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: electricity on a moist object causes gas ionization and that 355 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:41,119 Speaker 1: alters the electric charge of this photographic paper film. Knowing 356 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: how that process works doesn't dissuade people, say, people who 357 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 1: are convinced, you know, people who truly believe they have 358 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: seen or are seeing auras. But add to that the 359 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 1: fact that there is no credible, reproducible science experiment that's 360 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,159 Speaker 1: been able to prove the existence of auras in a 361 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: way that both satisfies the skeptics and the psychics alike. 362 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: So what gives is there anything like an actual aura? 363 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy. Oh I knew it would 364 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: feel it. Yeah, there are there are a few proposed 365 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: causes of at least some things we will call auras. 366 00:24:21,640 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: But we have to get the downers out of the 367 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:26,760 Speaker 1: way first. People really want to believe cool stuff. I 368 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: do everything. Everybody. Yeah, everybody wants to believe cool stuff, 369 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:41,680 Speaker 1: everyone except nerds. But sometimes we love this idea of 370 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:45,159 Speaker 1: cool stuff so much that we can convince ourselves we 371 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 1: see something that isn't actually there. And this is not 372 00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: to say that anybody is purposely deceiving anyone. It's just 373 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 1: possible for us to deceive ourselves through one method or another. 374 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 1: And you know, there's also the very your real occurrence 375 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 1: and possibility that the perception of an aura can be 376 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:15,160 Speaker 1: explained in some kind of mental health fashion. People can, 377 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 1: for a vary number of reasons, hallucinate or have an 378 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 1: illusion of perceiving something like an aura um although you know, 379 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:30,960 Speaker 1: for for a lot of people this would be an 380 00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:35,400 Speaker 1: episodic thing, right, or or a single occurrence where I'm 381 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:41,280 Speaker 1: I'm having I'm going through something from a mental health perspective, 382 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: and it is causing me to perceive this um rather 383 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: than it is just always happening right generally that that 384 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 1: doesn't mean it lands in every case, but generally, Yeah. 385 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: It could also be something where there is a physiological 386 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:03,160 Speaker 1: condition with the eye, is right, or the connection between 387 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: the eyes and the brain, or look, I'm going to 388 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:13,439 Speaker 1: say it, drugs, after images, catching waves and streaks. People 389 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,399 Speaker 1: have encountered that sort of stuff and that we can 390 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 1: explain to a large degree through science. But we also 391 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 1: know there's a really trippy thing here. We also know 392 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: that physiological and psychological factors come into play here in 393 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,359 Speaker 1: a very weird intersection that a lot of people aren't 394 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:33,159 Speaker 1: aware of. Uh. There's someone named Bridget Perez who is 395 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 1: writing for the Skeptical Enquirer and noted that there is 396 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:43,239 Speaker 1: a specific enzyme in every single person which is known 397 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:48,560 Speaker 1: as catacholt oh methyl transferrase or c o MT. It 398 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: breaks down the dopamine in your brain, and it's it's weird. Okay, 399 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:58,840 Speaker 1: So everybody's got this right, but we have different versions 400 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:02,520 Speaker 1: of it. So some both have a allele with the 401 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: c o MT gene of a certain type, right, and 402 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 1: having this certain type of alleal can cause higher levels 403 00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:18,680 Speaker 1: of suggestibility or hypnotize ability, I guess, the ability to hypnotize. 404 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:24,520 Speaker 1: And this this means that the capacity to see auras 405 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,879 Speaker 1: well to be accurate, the capacity to believe you are 406 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 1: seeing auras may have a proven neurochemical and genetic basis, 407 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: which means you may be inheriting this perception from from 408 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 1: your earlier family members. That's an incredible idea, just passing 409 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 1: down the ability to see auras, or even just passing 410 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 1: down the feeling or perception that you are seeing or else. 411 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,359 Speaker 1: I mean, if if you go in for it at 412 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: all in terms of belief, I mean, why shouldn't it 413 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,000 Speaker 1: be any different than any other inherit ble trait, you 414 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: know what I mean, or an inheritable talent, even it 415 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 1: seems like musical talent, you know. I obviously it has 416 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: to do with nurture as much as it does nature 417 00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: and practice, but you know, the inherent ability to be 418 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: a good performer or singer or whatever tends to be 419 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,240 Speaker 1: passed down, it seems. I think that's fascinating. And you know, 420 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 1: it's the same kind of stuff you see in fiction 421 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 1: with like wizards being you know, sons, the children of 422 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: wizards getting inheriting that gene like in Harry Potter and stuff. 423 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: But isn't there Maybe it skips a generation sometimes and 424 00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,080 Speaker 1: then you end up like there's that one generation that 425 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 1: doesn't get it. That would be a bummer to be 426 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 1: in that one. But yeah, there, I mean, there's another 427 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,400 Speaker 1: interesting thing just to bring in here quickly, and it's 428 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:42,479 Speaker 1: the concept that we've talked about a couple of episodes 429 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: before this relating to genes and seemingly other worldly powers 430 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 1: or abilities. When you're thinking about UM, the keys that 431 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: are locked away in your d n A that's handed 432 00:28:57,320 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: down through your family, that you may be more or 433 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 1: less likely to experience something or to develop something like UM, 434 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: like schizophrenia or a type of schizophrenia, or a type 435 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,400 Speaker 1: of hearing voices or those kinds of things that you 436 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:20,800 Speaker 1: know we've talked about before are linked back two. Not 437 00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: in every case. When a lot of cases humans throughout 438 00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: history experiencing divine inspiration or outside inspiration from a muse 439 00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 1: or from something like that, where it's UM being spoken 440 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,479 Speaker 1: to from some outside source, when in reality, or at 441 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: least according to the science, it's all happening in your 442 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,080 Speaker 1: head or in one's head. But again, it's really tough 443 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: to prove that so far as we know, I mean, 444 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: shout out to Graham Hancock if we we still haven't 445 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: done an episode on the miss the full crazy stuff 446 00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,920 Speaker 1: about genetics, right. We talked a little bit about epigenetic 447 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: which humanity is still working out. But I love the idea. 448 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:05,480 Speaker 1: I just want to put it on the air there. 449 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,800 Speaker 1: I love the idea that all that junk DNA we 450 00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: have is somehow a message from an ancient civilization. Did 451 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: you guys ever hear that one? I don't know. You know, 452 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:18,400 Speaker 1: it's too early in the day. But this is like 453 00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: a Saturday night at a bar conversation, not a not 454 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 1: remember Saturday night at the bar that was cool? I 455 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 1: don't actually you do. I'm gonna be honest. I like 456 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,960 Speaker 1: not having to be social. That's fair. That's fair. It's 457 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 1: a fact for me. Sometimes I'm fine with it and 458 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,440 Speaker 1: sometimes I miss it. But I used was reoccurring dreams 459 00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: for years, starting when I was like six years old, 460 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: when I woke up and I was the only person 461 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: on the planet and I thought it, Yeah, I was stoked, 462 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: and I thought I thought that this was the dream 463 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: that everybody had. I didn't know that people had different dreams. Wow, 464 00:30:59,520 --> 00:31:02,040 Speaker 1: just yeah, yeah, okay, look I have a lot to 465 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 1: learn about human being. But anyway, anyway, yes, jeans, right, 466 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,760 Speaker 1: we have found we have found this proof and we 467 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: know that we are iterations of our ancestry expressed in 468 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: ways that we may not fully understand right within our lifetimes. 469 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,960 Speaker 1: Another example of this that could also explain at least 470 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:30,239 Speaker 1: some encounters with ours would be synasthasia. If you're one 471 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: of the people who are hearing this podcasting colors, then 472 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 1: you know exactly what we're talking about. For everyone else, 473 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,680 Speaker 1: we'll fill you in after a word from our sponsor, 474 00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,479 Speaker 1: and the sponsor is going to be very green, prepare 475 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: yourself or orange. You know that's the hand orange and 476 00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,400 Speaker 1: green and orange. Yeah. Well, we have to get through 477 00:31:49,400 --> 00:32:02,520 Speaker 1: the a break and we're back. So do certain letters 478 00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: have a color in your mind? Or or tactile sensation 479 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:14,840 Speaker 1: is j fuzzy to you? Right? Does s have sinuous scales? 480 00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: Do sounds have taste? You know what I mean? They're 481 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: they're There are people in the world, um that I 482 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: am actually one of them who have this condition called synesthesia, 483 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: and I imagine everybody has it. To some degree, our 484 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:39,600 Speaker 1: sensory experiences that are usually separate, you know, uh, sound, touch, smell, taste, uh, site, 485 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 1: those kind of things. They when you have synaestasia, you 486 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 1: experience it. Those things kind of their wires cross and 487 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 1: they exist as they exist as one related sensation. So 488 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: you imagine every time you hear a phone ring the 489 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: old school, you know, like house bones, when you hear 490 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:07,680 Speaker 1: one of those rings, you taste toast. Yeah, wow, buttered toast? 491 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: Why this is isn't isn't isn't that? Also? What like 492 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: people having stroke report sometimes like a certain sense of 493 00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: tasting bitter almonds or oranges, or smelling burnt toast almonds. 494 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,640 Speaker 1: Essentially sense it's crossing over there in that case too. 495 00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: And and cynestesia has always felt like a superpower of 496 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,800 Speaker 1: some sort to me, And like maybe that's just because 497 00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,440 Speaker 1: I've never experienced it. I honestly don't know if it's 498 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: more of a blessing or a curse or if it's 499 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 1: on an individual level just how you decide to look 500 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,040 Speaker 1: at it. Um, I'd love to talk more about it 501 00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: with the ben. I know we've mentioned it before on 502 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,720 Speaker 1: the show. You know, I think about somebody like Daniel Tamot, 503 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,400 Speaker 1: who there's a book called Born on a Blue Day 504 00:33:54,920 --> 00:34:01,280 Speaker 1: and it's all about um gentleman Daniel Tammitt. And it's 505 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: it's amazing what he can do with what his mind 506 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,720 Speaker 1: does when he thinks about numbers and a couple of 507 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:09,759 Speaker 1: bunch of other things. I believe, Correct me if I'm wrong, guys, 508 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,720 Speaker 1: but I believe he is a gentleman who sees numbers 509 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 1: as a specific shape and a color. And when he 510 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: when numbers get larger and larger and larger for him, 511 00:34:20,640 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: they become these intricate things. But his mind, because he 512 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:30,279 Speaker 1: can visualize numbers in this way when he combines them 513 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:35,160 Speaker 1: in various um, you know, forms of mathematics, he literally 514 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,279 Speaker 1: sees the answer as a thing and as a as 515 00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:43,040 Speaker 1: an object and then interpret to that object as, oh, well, 516 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:46,719 Speaker 1: that's these numbers, and that's this number, that's this other 517 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:51,839 Speaker 1: new number. It's it's fascinating. Yet, and I'm really glad 518 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: you mentioned this because in his mind, like you said, 519 00:34:55,080 --> 00:35:00,440 Speaker 1: I think it's every digit from zero to tend thousand 520 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,279 Speaker 1: or something like that, maybe even higher, every single one 521 00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,520 Speaker 1: has in his head a very well defined three dimensional 522 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,719 Speaker 1: shape with a unique color and texture, maybe a weight. 523 00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:11,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. So he is he 524 00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 1: is three D modeling in real time these concepts and uh, 525 00:35:17,560 --> 00:35:20,520 Speaker 1: and he's legitimate. Yeah, this is this is a real thing. 526 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: He is also very rare. That is a very extreme 527 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: form of what we're describing. But I guess just having 528 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:33,120 Speaker 1: even one individual with their mind functioning in that way, 529 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: um makes it makes me feel as those synaesthesia could 530 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: be maybe harnessed even further. I don't know, And I 531 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: don't mean to speak Yeah, I don't need to speak 532 00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,640 Speaker 1: out of turn here because I have no concept of 533 00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:48,560 Speaker 1: what it would be like, but it feels like you 534 00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:54,080 Speaker 1: could harness it for something great or evil maybe, well 535 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:58,040 Speaker 1: at least in terms of processing power of the mind, right, 536 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,920 Speaker 1: I mean, what if we were in a world, uh, 537 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,359 Speaker 1: thousands of years in the future where AI has been 538 00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:11,839 Speaker 1: considered too dangerous and we can't use quote unquote thinking computers. Yeah, 539 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:15,040 Speaker 1: I'm describing Dune. I know. I saw the new trailer. 540 00:36:15,160 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 1: That's what happens in Dune. It's not a spoiler, and 541 00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: they have yeah, yeah, it's good, you'll like it, and 542 00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:26,440 Speaker 1: they instead use these things called mentats. Once you remember 543 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 1: from the earlier you know the earlier doing iterations, and 544 00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: what's happening here is very similar in ways to what 545 00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:38,399 Speaker 1: a mentat does. So I think we can build real ones. 546 00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 1: I think there are a ton of laws preventing us 547 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: from doing that, and I don't know whether it would 548 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: be ethical. But that's a that's a longstanding point of difference, 549 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: uh to you and I'm at. I don't have as 550 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 1: much of a problem with the ethics. I am not 551 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,760 Speaker 1: as conflicted forwards as the future. What are you talking about? 552 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,040 Speaker 1: Do what thou wilt? That will be the whole of 553 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:08,799 Speaker 1: the law. Okay, But but yeah, there's but you're right 554 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:12,240 Speaker 1: there there are tons of things, like I can't remember 555 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,320 Speaker 1: which episode we've mentioned this on, there are tons of 556 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:19,839 Speaker 1: things we could do, very unethical things to change how 557 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:22,719 Speaker 1: our abilities as human beings expressed. Right. We know there 558 00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 1: are people with nearly unbreakable bones, people with super strength, 559 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:30,840 Speaker 1: people who were tetrachromats, right, which I think could also 560 00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:35,640 Speaker 1: maybe be related to the idea of sensingora's But then 561 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:39,359 Speaker 1: then there are people like Daniel T. Hammitt. But synesthesia 562 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 1: is something that people can experience in a one off 563 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: Maybe you have been under the influence of something and 564 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,719 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you've experienced music in a new way. 565 00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: That's a very common anecdote people report, and it's a 566 00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: real thing. But there's an issue with this explanation. If 567 00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:01,800 Speaker 1: people who are seeing auras are Synis states, and they're 568 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:07,360 Speaker 1: they're seeing they they are perceiving something through their unique 569 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:13,879 Speaker 1: sensory array, then why don't they perceive the same thing. 570 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:18,880 Speaker 1: I always think of this. That amazing author, Vladimir and Nopakov. 571 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:24,839 Speaker 1: He he was a sinnistate, and he obsessively cataloged all 572 00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:29,280 Speaker 1: the connections he encountered. You can. He has stuff like, okay, 573 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 1: so I thought of the letter oh, which is obviously 574 00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 1: this pale pearl opalescent, kind of smooth mirror like thing. 575 00:38:38,880 --> 00:38:43,399 Speaker 1: I mean, oh yeahs. And so he wrote this down 576 00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:46,759 Speaker 1: for all these letters sounds. They compared his notes to 577 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: other members of his family who also had cynistasia, and 578 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 1: their answer was essentially, what is wrong with you? You're crazy? 579 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,799 Speaker 1: Oh it is like fluffy, and it's kind of um, 580 00:38:58,360 --> 00:39:01,160 Speaker 1: it's kind of red and it bounds. It's like always 581 00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:06,160 Speaker 1: like a futon were saying, are, however, is fully pearl 582 00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,520 Speaker 1: whatever it is that you described. My apologize they can't 583 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 1: remember that far back. But yes, it's amazing that that 584 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:18,040 Speaker 1: is amazing that he had members of his own family 585 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,400 Speaker 1: would going back to jeans. They're uh, going back to 586 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,520 Speaker 1: the DNA shared by those family members and they didn't 587 00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 1: see the same thing. Man. Wow, yeah, And what does 588 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,760 Speaker 1: that mean? It's common. It means that whatever is happening 589 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,359 Speaker 1: in the brain, while the process may be similar, uh, 590 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 1: the end result for the conscious mind is unique. It's distinct. 591 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:45,279 Speaker 1: There was no true color for the letter Z, right, 592 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:50,920 Speaker 1: or no true ubiquitous tactile surface for the letter and 593 00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,919 Speaker 1: a P or J or whatever you want to say. 594 00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,880 Speaker 1: And so in this is interesting because multiple studies about auras, 595 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,400 Speaker 1: people who feel the perceive ouras have ended up describing 596 00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,880 Speaker 1: different things about the same person or animal or object, 597 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:10,360 Speaker 1: different colors, different vibrations and so on. So well, I 598 00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,160 Speaker 1: was going to say, there's certainly some people the odists 599 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,400 Speaker 1: who say, well, yeah, obviously, because it's not real and 600 00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:20,200 Speaker 1: they're lying. But I think maybe it's in some cases 601 00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 1: at least it's going to be more complicated than that. 602 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 1: And so it makes sense that people throughout history with 603 00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:31,080 Speaker 1: some form of this condition would have no other way 604 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:35,040 Speaker 1: to explain their experiences. So in the context of their 605 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 1: society and their time, something like an aura seems a 606 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 1: very reasonable explanation for what they are perceiving. There's one 607 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,920 Speaker 1: last twist. I know, it sounds like we are completely 608 00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 1: debunking auras. It sounds like science is more or less 609 00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,520 Speaker 1: disproven the concept of auras, at least as proposed by 610 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,399 Speaker 1: leap Beater in his in his crew. There just doesn't 611 00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:56,879 Speaker 1: seem to be objective evidence for them, at least none 612 00:40:56,920 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: that can be found in controlled studies. And again, there 613 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,640 Speaker 1: are load and loads of experiments about this. It's possible 614 00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,000 Speaker 1: to that when we think of an aura, we may 615 00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:11,880 Speaker 1: be experiencing other sensations. Radiating body heat. I'm sure everybody 616 00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,799 Speaker 1: has encountered this before. You get a hand close enough 617 00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:17,400 Speaker 1: to someone but not quite touching them, and you can 618 00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 1: feel the heat, just like if your hand was close 619 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:23,319 Speaker 1: to a light bulb. But here's the twist, you see, 620 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:27,000 Speaker 1: It turns out people don't just emit heat. We do 621 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:33,640 Speaker 1: have auras. We emit light. Yeah, it sounds insane, but 622 00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:39,279 Speaker 1: it's true. And I am looking at a study that 623 00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:42,560 Speaker 1: was posted in The Guardian at a picture of a 624 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,960 Speaker 1: person emitting small amounts of light. And it looks at 625 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,239 Speaker 1: first glance like a fleaer image or something that you 626 00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,080 Speaker 1: would see that that is measuring heat, but it is not. 627 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 1: It is measuring light output in a darkened room. It 628 00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,719 Speaker 1: is the craziest thing ever and I can't wait to 629 00:42:01,760 --> 00:42:04,600 Speaker 1: discuss it. Yeah. In two thousand and nine, a team 630 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:08,560 Speaker 1: of Japanese researchers found that human beings, like some deep 631 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 1: sea fish, are bioluminescent. We're very dim walking light bulbs, 632 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,680 Speaker 1: and the problem is that our eyes are just a 633 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:20,799 Speaker 1: little too weak to catch the light we're emitting. Uh, 634 00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,400 Speaker 1: they said, they waxed a little poetic in their study, 635 00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,239 Speaker 1: which is published in p l Os. One said the 636 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:32,440 Speaker 1: human body literally glimmers. The intensity of light emitted by 637 00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:35,759 Speaker 1: the body is one thousand times lower than the sensitivity 638 00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:39,960 Speaker 1: of our naked eyes. So that that being said, they 639 00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,920 Speaker 1: had to use really really really sensitive instruments to monitor um. 640 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:49,319 Speaker 1: The participants in their study, which were five male volunteers, 641 00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:53,000 Speaker 1: UM and they were monitored for twenty minutes every three 642 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:56,520 Speaker 1: hours inside a completely dark room for three days straight. UM. 643 00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,759 Speaker 1: They found that all of the volunteers glowed throughout the day. 644 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:05,839 Speaker 1: The brightest spots appeared around the forehead, the neck, the cheeks. Um. 645 00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 1: And that was a peak luminescence, I guess in the 646 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:15,200 Speaker 1: late afternoon, and the bioluminescence seemed dimmest at night. Uh. 647 00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,440 Speaker 1: And it's an important caveat here that this was not 648 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:23,360 Speaker 1: infrared radiation caused by heat. Um. These people's bodies and 649 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:28,839 Speaker 1: yours are actually emitting photons of visible light, if very 650 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,520 Speaker 1: very small, very hard to detect by the human eye. Um, 651 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:36,880 Speaker 1: but it's there. Yeah, and and um. This is according 652 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:41,000 Speaker 1: to a journalist, Elliott Bentley. There's a quote here, the 653 00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:45,960 Speaker 1: result of highly reactive free radicals produced through cell respiration 654 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:52,120 Speaker 1: interacting with free floating lipids and proteins. Good luck understanding that. 655 00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:57,120 Speaker 1: But it's a natural phenomenon. Essentially, it's a set of 656 00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:00,520 Speaker 1: natural processes that is causing this small amount of light 657 00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:05,400 Speaker 1: to be omitted. Yeah, these molecules interact with fluorophones. These 658 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,719 Speaker 1: are excited molecules. I love that. That's a scientific term, 659 00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:12,440 Speaker 1: excited molecules. So they're excited. They interact with these fluoro 660 00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:16,040 Speaker 1: floors and those can emit a photon and then boom, 661 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:20,759 Speaker 1: boom boom. You are actually glowing. You're glowing right now 662 00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:23,360 Speaker 1: while you listen to this, you know that's that's pretty 663 00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,959 Speaker 1: cool to think we're all kinds of we're all kind 664 00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:30,680 Speaker 1: of like the superhero Dazzler right on a much lower level. 665 00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:35,520 Speaker 1: But the the team thinks that people's heads glow the 666 00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,960 Speaker 1: most because they're the part of the body that generally 667 00:44:39,080 --> 00:44:43,080 Speaker 1: sees more sunlight and this affects the melanin inside the 668 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:47,960 Speaker 1: skin and it triggers the illuminating reaction better than other areas. 669 00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,400 Speaker 1: This is weird, Okay, very quickly walk with me on this. 670 00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:54,399 Speaker 1: It appears to be linked to our metabolisms. We burned 671 00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:57,000 Speaker 1: the most energy in the late afternoon, so that's when 672 00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,880 Speaker 1: we glow the most brightly. The coolest part about the 673 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,520 Speaker 1: is that one day we may be able to scan 674 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:07,160 Speaker 1: the surface of a person's body checking their light levels, 675 00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,400 Speaker 1: which already sounds kind of new way to right, and 676 00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:14,080 Speaker 1: this could help us pinpoint possible medical conditions that express 677 00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:18,520 Speaker 1: themselves through variations in the metabolism. So what does this 678 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:22,640 Speaker 1: mean for today's show? It means that essentially, yes, human 679 00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:26,640 Speaker 1: beings do have auras, and we are learning to read them, 680 00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:30,840 Speaker 1: just not the kind of oreas we we thought, and 681 00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,120 Speaker 1: we're not not the kind of reading we imagined. Yeah, 682 00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:39,400 Speaker 1: it takes sophisticated scientific equipment to read these auras that 683 00:45:39,600 --> 00:45:43,280 Speaker 1: are one thousand times less bright than your eye can perceive. 684 00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,320 Speaker 1: So it's highly unlikely that anyone would be able to 685 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,839 Speaker 1: perceive your aura just with their naked eye the way 686 00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:52,640 Speaker 1: that so many have reported to do so, unless there's 687 00:45:52,760 --> 00:45:57,080 Speaker 1: again something at play that we don't understand but still fascinating, right, 688 00:45:57,200 --> 00:46:01,880 Speaker 1: And it's not it's not a definitive. No, we're on 689 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:06,000 Speaker 1: the we're on the forefront of some very very exciting 690 00:46:06,239 --> 00:46:09,000 Speaker 1: things here, and this is where we want to hear 691 00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:13,040 Speaker 1: from you. Do you see or have you seen auras? 692 00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:16,839 Speaker 1: What was your experience, like, what were the circumstances? How 693 00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:19,239 Speaker 1: how have you explained it in your mind? Have you 694 00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:22,200 Speaker 1: met someone who appeared to influence them one way or 695 00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:25,560 Speaker 1: another your own field of energy? Were you walking like 696 00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,839 Speaker 1: a good pal matt through a grocery store and someone 697 00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,640 Speaker 1: stopped you and said that you shine with a golden 698 00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,719 Speaker 1: hue would make my days a sweet thing? I mean, 699 00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:36,520 Speaker 1: that is such a sweet thing to hear. But also 700 00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:38,720 Speaker 1: I was like, oh, maybe maybe I need a blot 701 00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,840 Speaker 1: or something, and maybe it's maybe it's jaundice. You have 702 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:46,600 Speaker 1: like some sort of like radiative jaundice. So I was 703 00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:50,520 Speaker 1: wearing makeup. No, it's just here. I think it's just 704 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:54,600 Speaker 1: your inner goodness glowing out from within your golden boy 705 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,279 Speaker 1: for that lady Dennis Reynolds Golden God type of thing. 706 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,760 Speaker 1: I feel like I found us to and always sunny 707 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:11,719 Speaker 1: reference per episy find to be tools. Sorry, yes, so, 708 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:14,680 Speaker 1: so we do want to hear from you, you know, 709 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,920 Speaker 1: whether you think this is bunk, whether you think there 710 00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,560 Speaker 1: is more to this story. How do you explain these 711 00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,080 Speaker 1: experiences to yourselves or how do your loved ones explain 712 00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:25,360 Speaker 1: this to you? Let us know you can find us. 713 00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,480 Speaker 1: We're all over the internet, Facebook, Instagram, Twitter. We like 714 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,240 Speaker 1: to recommend our Facebook community page. Here's where it gets crazy, 715 00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,319 Speaker 1: where you can see a thread of people talking about 716 00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:40,560 Speaker 1: how they our voices don't match our faces and they 717 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,960 Speaker 1: don't listen to this shouldn't be coming out of here. Yeah, 718 00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:45,480 Speaker 1: you can see a lot of that too on our 719 00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:49,680 Speaker 1: YouTube channel right in real time. It's the faces, you know, 720 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,760 Speaker 1: glaring back at you. And that's YouTube dot com slash 721 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:56,000 Speaker 1: conspiracy stuff and uh something we don't mention enough that 722 00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:57,759 Speaker 1: that I think we should bring back if you want. 723 00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:59,120 Speaker 1: You can get stuff they don't want you to know, 724 00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:02,160 Speaker 1: pretty and not a mug or or a T shirt 725 00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,440 Speaker 1: or like a mouse pad or whatever. Just go to 726 00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,600 Speaker 1: h T public dot com and search for stuff they 727 00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,080 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. And there's all kinds of 728 00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:11,960 Speaker 1: cool stuff there. And I think we're going to release 729 00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:16,480 Speaker 1: some new items in the relatively near future. Yeah. The 730 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,960 Speaker 1: url is t T E public dot com. Slash stores 731 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:23,600 Speaker 1: slash stuff they don't want you to know. Good luck. 732 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:26,600 Speaker 1: You can also, you can also give us a call 733 00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:30,200 Speaker 1: directly where we are one eight three three st d 734 00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:35,080 Speaker 1: w y t K. Please let us know your thoughts 735 00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:38,759 Speaker 1: on any and everything under or over the sun. And 736 00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:43,080 Speaker 1: important note here let us know whether you are okay 737 00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:47,160 Speaker 1: with us using your story or your feedback on air. Yes, 738 00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,480 Speaker 1: and if you do end up on the YouTube channel, 739 00:48:50,560 --> 00:48:56,360 Speaker 1: please comment with your interpretations of our auras in whichever video, 740 00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,759 Speaker 1: just just put it in the comments. Tell us what 741 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,120 Speaker 1: you think, uh, and specifically what I want to see. 742 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:07,160 Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna win the the fun prize the when they 743 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:12,279 Speaker 1: give us, when they give us Scullies aura. If you 744 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:15,520 Speaker 1: see Scully in a video, tell us exactly what her 745 00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,239 Speaker 1: aura looks like. This has been a subject of great 746 00:49:18,280 --> 00:49:21,520 Speaker 1: contention between all four of us for some time. It 747 00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,120 Speaker 1: has all right. I think that's it. If you don't 748 00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,680 Speaker 1: want to connect with us in any of those ways, 749 00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:30,520 Speaker 1: you can always leave us a good old fashioned email. 750 00:49:30,680 --> 00:49:52,680 Speaker 1: We are conspiracy and iHeart radio dot com Stuff they 751 00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:54,560 Speaker 1: don't want you to know is a production of I 752 00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,839 Speaker 1: heart Radio. For more podcasts from my heart Radio, visit 753 00:49:57,880 --> 00:50:00,879 Speaker 1: the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen 754 00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:01,800 Speaker 1: to your favorite shows.