1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 1: Native Landpod is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: Reason Choice Media. Nobody knows the troubles I've seen on. 3 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 2: Welcome Home to the Native. 4 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 3: The most difficult chapter that I wrote in the book 5 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 3: was about election Night. It was the most difficult, and 6 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,360 Speaker 3: basically I will tell you that in writing that chapter, 7 00:00:28,480 --> 00:00:30,760 Speaker 3: it was the first time my husband, Doug and I 8 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 3: had ever talked about election night. That's how traumatic that 9 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 3: night had been for so many of us, and. 10 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 2: In writing the. 11 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,960 Speaker 3: Book, I really reflected on so much of that moment. 12 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 3: That night, of course led to the next day when 13 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,240 Speaker 3: I went to Howard University the night before thinking it 14 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 3: was going to be a victory speech, but the following day, 15 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 3: of course, knowing that it wouldn't be, and on my 16 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 3: way to Howard the day after the election, I had 17 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 3: to reconcile in my head that to your point, Angela, 18 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 3: at the end of every rally during those one hundred 19 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 3: and seven days, I would say, when we fight and 20 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,720 Speaker 3: the people right, and that was our call and response. 21 00:01:21,480 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 3: And I had to reconcile that with the outcome of 22 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:31,440 Speaker 3: the election, because it wasn't as trivial as will you 23 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 3: win some you lose? Some that's not what this was. 24 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 3: That's not what this is. And it was actually on 25 00:01:38,240 --> 00:01:38,760 Speaker 3: my way. 26 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 2: To Howard that I decided to write. 27 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 3: Into the speech what I do believe. And this directly 28 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:50,120 Speaker 3: answers your question. Sometimes the fight takes a while. Sometimes 29 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:53,920 Speaker 3: the fight takes a while. That doesn't mean that we 30 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 3: give up. It means that we are committed to knowing 31 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 3: what we stand for and therefore what we fight for. 32 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 3: It means knowing on a night like tonight, where we 33 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 3: celebrate these great victories, that we. 34 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 2: Can never allow one moment, one individual. 35 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,240 Speaker 3: That guy in the White House or people around him, 36 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 3: or any one election defeat our spirit. 37 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 2: Our spirit is not defeated, It cannot be defeated. 38 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 3: The moment that that happens is the moment they truly win. 39 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 2: And part of the reason I wrote the. 40 00:02:34,320 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 3: Book is to hopefully remind us of the feeling that 41 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 3: so many had during those one hundred and seven days, 42 00:02:41,680 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 3: which was the enthusiasm, the energy, the optimism, the sense 43 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 3: of possibility. Dare I say, the joy that we experience 44 00:02:52,000 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 3: those days, But to remind us all that that's in us. 45 00:03:02,800 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: I didn't give that it was in you. It's in us. 46 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 2: That light is in each of us. 47 00:03:11,760 --> 00:03:15,959 Speaker 3: And we cannot allow a moment like this to extinguish 48 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 3: that light or dampen that light. We must know it 49 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 3: is in us, and it's in each of us and 50 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 3: in each other, and especially in moments of darkness like 51 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:33,639 Speaker 3: this moment, that light is particularly important. So part of 52 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:35,840 Speaker 3: the reason I wrote the book is to remind us 53 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,320 Speaker 3: of that. And then a nightlight tonight where we can 54 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 3: celebrate these elections. Well, I hope reinforce the fact that 55 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 3: we got a big fight in front of us. 56 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 2: We're fighting for. 57 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 3: Something, and this is not a moment to be passive 58 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 3: or to say, you know, wake me up when it's over. 59 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 2: We have too much to do. We have too much 60 00:03:59,000 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 2: to do. 61 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: You know, we do have too much to do. 62 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:11,120 Speaker 2: And one of the things. 63 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: That one of the things that I was thinking about 64 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: is how you felt the next day to get. 65 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 3: To that, you know, hold hold on, let me look 66 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 3: let me, you know, I actually, let me just let me. 67 00:04:25,640 --> 00:04:27,560 Speaker 3: I'm sure there are other people here that may want 68 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 3: to get up, and so let me just let me 69 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:35,479 Speaker 3: and I look. I that I get that I would 70 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:39,040 Speaker 3: not exist if it weren't people who were active in 71 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 3: protesting injustice. So I understand that I actually write about 72 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,359 Speaker 3: the issue of what has been happening in Gaza in 73 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:57,560 Speaker 3: my book, and I will tell you a lot of 74 00:04:58,120 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 3: what this process has been from has been about reflection. 75 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 2: Look, we should. 76 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 3: Have done more as an administration. We should have done more. 77 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 3: We should have spoken publicly about our criticism of the 78 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:25,440 Speaker 3: way that Netagnahu and his government were executing this war. 79 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 2: We should have. 80 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 3: We should have used We had more levers in terms 81 00:05:34,080 --> 00:05:37,559 Speaker 3: of leverage that we did not use, and I write 82 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 3: about this. 83 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 2: In the book. 84 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 3: I I look at this moment and I am happy 85 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 3: that there is a ceasefire. We will see how long 86 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 3: it lasts that the hostages have been returned. But let's 87 00:05:53,760 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 3: be very clear that that inhuman nature of what has 88 00:06:01,080 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 3: happened to the Palestinian people in Gaza, the innocent civilians, 89 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 3: the extent of hunger, famine, suffering, death is something that 90 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 3: we must acknowledge. And I recognize that I write about 91 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:26,480 Speaker 3: in the book. I gave a speech five months into 92 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,280 Speaker 3: the war at the foot of the Edmund Pettis Bridge 93 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 3: on bloody Sunday, and I spoke publicly the highest official 94 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 3: in the country about the starvation that was. 95 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:43,919 Speaker 2: Happening in Gaza. 96 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,400 Speaker 3: In fact, I also write in the book about how 97 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 3: there were plenty of folks in the White House that 98 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:52,599 Speaker 3: were not happy about me speaking out that way, but 99 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 3: I did so I understand the feeling and the emotion 100 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 3: behind the folks who have spoken out tonight. We have 101 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:08,080 Speaker 3: work to do, we need to ensure and I also 102 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 3: have noticed how this administration not only gave a blank 103 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 3: check to night now Who for the first nine months, 104 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 3: but also have shown no commitment to the day after 105 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 3: in terms of the security of the people of that region, 106 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 3: but in particular the need for governance of Gaza, rebuilding 107 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 3: of Gaza, not no changing of the territorial lines. There 108 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 3: is work to be done, and I appreciate the emotion 109 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,080 Speaker 3: and the sentiment behind the people who have spoken up tonight, 110 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 3: And please read the book if you want to have 111 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 3: some sense of how I feel about it. 112 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: The thing that I very much I've always appreciated, appreciated 113 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 1: about you is your deep conviction, deep conviction. 114 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 3: Mmm. 115 00:08:13,080 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: So what's unfortunate about this is this is a deep 116 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: misunderstanding of who I know you to be. 117 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 2: You've always been. 118 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: Someone that has had difficult conversations, have welcomed conflicting views, 119 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 1: different views than your own to the table, and I 120 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 1: think what's astonishing about this particular moment is you just 121 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: showed alignment right at some times. At some point, protests 122 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: also has to be strategic. We have to be If 123 00:08:50,679 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: we're aligned, there's nothing to protest, so we can have 124 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: a conversation after Yep, yep, we. 125 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:58,479 Speaker 2: Love her absolutely. 126 00:09:00,640 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: So I wanted to talk about the one hundred and 127 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: eighth day. Yeah, because we were at Howard as you 128 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 1: know that the night of Breakfast Club and Native Lampire 129 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: was outside. We were ready. You couldn't have told me 130 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: this was gonna any different. I was in shock, as 131 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,719 Speaker 1: I know you were. I want to know what's the 132 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: first thing you said to yourself when you woke up 133 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 1: on the one hundred day, the day after the election. 134 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 3: Well, the thing I said from the moment I learned 135 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 3: about the outcome of the election, and I could not 136 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 3: stop saying it or thinking it is my god. 137 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:42,559 Speaker 2: How I felt. 138 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 3: I have not had a feeling remotely similar since my 139 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 3: mother died. I was grieving for the American people because 140 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 3: I knew. 141 00:09:56,280 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 2: What was going to happen, and you told us, Yeah, 142 00:09:58,840 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 2: I knew what was going to happen. I knew what 143 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 2: was going to happen, and. 144 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 3: It was very It wasn't for me. It wasn't about again, 145 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 3: it wasn't about a game. It wasn't about you got 146 00:10:11,559 --> 00:10:15,400 Speaker 3: to win this thing. It was literally about what was 147 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 3: at stake for our country. 148 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 2: And you look at what has happened. Everything. 149 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 3: I mean, we predicted everything except the one thing I 150 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,359 Speaker 3: did not predict was the capitulation. 151 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 2: I did not predict that. 152 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 3: I did not predict how from universities to media organization's 153 00:10:40,600 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 3: newspapers to I mean, just go on and on and 154 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:48,920 Speaker 3: on titans of industry would. 155 00:10:50,120 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 2: Bend the knee. 156 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 3: But it was it was very difficult, and I was 157 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 3: clear when you know, we talked about it, and I'm 158 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:05,719 Speaker 3: not I'm not into saying I told you so. 159 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 2: I don't say that, but I said it for you. 160 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 1: Well you did tell us so, you did tell us so, 161 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 1: and I'm not saying it. There's nothing to gloat about. 162 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: Like as we sit on this stage tonight, election night, 163 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: we are on the thirty fifth day of a government shutdown. 164 00:11:23,480 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: People are fighting to make sure they can eat. They're 165 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: having to choose between hunger or healthcare. 166 00:11:28,240 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 3: No, and let's Let's also be clear that first of all, 167 00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:42,679 Speaker 3: the man is allowing for babies to starve in America, 168 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 3: to starve in America, and. 169 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 4: It costs eight billion dollars. It costs eight billion dollars 170 00:11:56,800 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 4: to fun Snap, which feeds hungry children, and it's it's 171 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:16,280 Speaker 4: just it's okay. 172 00:12:17,360 --> 00:12:22,680 Speaker 1: Well, And as you were just saying, we were talking 173 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: about a criminal in the White House who's starving children 174 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:28,320 Speaker 1: in this country. 175 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 2: So we're planning your time round. 176 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 3: Who is sitting in the White House right now, starving 177 00:12:40,120 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 3: children in our country while building a gilded ballroom at 178 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:52,679 Speaker 3: the White House for his rich friends, giving twenty billion 179 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:57,439 Speaker 3: dollars to a foreign country, while depriving children in this 180 00:12:57,520 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 3: country and seniors and and. 181 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:02,640 Speaker 2: People who deserve. 182 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 3: To be seen and protected, depriving them of the basic 183 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:08,560 Speaker 3: necessity of food. 184 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:14,079 Speaker 2: Right now, it's happening. And what's happening is that they're even. 185 00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 3: Refusing to reimburse states that are willing to take it 186 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 3: on themselves. The court has said that they must give 187 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 3: those Snap benefits, and they're refusing to do it right 188 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 3: here in America. 189 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 2: That the level of callousness. 190 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 3: And cruelty, and let us talk about corruption coming from 191 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 3: this administration is extraordinary, extraordinary. But you know, I think Angela, 192 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 3: it's important. Part of what I think is important about 193 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 3: this moment is to remember, you know, a lot of 194 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 3: people have been very deeply concerned about obviously what is 195 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:08,520 Speaker 3: happening in our country and to our country. 196 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:10,000 Speaker 2: But I think it's. 197 00:14:09,840 --> 00:14:12,959 Speaker 3: Important as we remember those one hundred and seven days 198 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 3: and the election itself. One third of the electorate voted 199 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 3: for him, one third voted for us, and one third 200 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 3: did not vote. Two thirds did not vote for this. 201 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 3: But in the discussion that is happening about the future, 202 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 3: for example, of the Democratic Party and the future of 203 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 3: our democracy, I would urge us to really put some 204 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 3: weight and thought and time into the question why did 205 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 3: that one third did not vote? 206 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 2: Why did they not. 207 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:53,120 Speaker 3: Vote, and really have the difficult conversations that we need 208 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 3: to have. You know, one of the things that I 209 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 3: talk about in the book, and I do believe. Look, 210 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 3: I think that when we think about that one third 211 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:04,760 Speaker 3: that voted for him, I do believe that there is 212 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 3: a decent number of them who voted for him voted 213 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 3: for him on one issue which they believed him on, 214 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 3: which is that he would bring down prices on day 215 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 3: one that was their issue. It is the issue for 216 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 3: a lot of Americans, the majority of Americans, and he 217 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 3: lied to them. Obviously, inflation is up, unemployment. 218 00:15:30,880 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 2: Is up, the cost of food is up. 219 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 3: But that was a big issue for a lot of 220 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,440 Speaker 3: people who voted then and are voting now, and it 221 00:15:41,520 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 3: has to be one of our number one priorities. In fact, 222 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 3: that's why I made it a priority of mine during 223 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 3: the one hundred and seven days. From everything for what 224 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,240 Speaker 3: we're going to do to take on price gouging, taking 225 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 3: on corporate landlords, or buying up all this property and 226 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 3: jacking up rents. What we need to do around not 227 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 3: only affordable housing, but affordable child care, paid leave. 228 00:16:02,680 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 2: What we need to do around having medicare. 229 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 3: Part of my policy was cover home health care, especially 230 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,680 Speaker 3: for people in the Sandwich generation who are raising children 231 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:14,680 Speaker 3: and taking care of their elderly relatives. 232 00:16:16,360 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 5: That's so. 233 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:22,400 Speaker 3: But when we think about what happened in the election 234 00:16:22,920 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 3: in a way that I hope is really not. 235 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 2: About just re litigating the election, but what did we 236 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 2: learn in terms of going forward? 237 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:36,440 Speaker 3: A big part of it is that folks felt disconnected 238 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 3: and also distrustful of the system. 239 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:43,400 Speaker 2: Part of the deep work that we have to do 240 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:44,320 Speaker 2: right now. 241 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:46,640 Speaker 3: As a country is really deal with the fact that 242 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:50,720 Speaker 3: you know, it's not new that people have lacked have 243 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:54,320 Speaker 3: distrusted government and systems. That is not a new phenomena. 244 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 3: It definitely grew during the pandemic when basic necessities and 245 00:17:00,520 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 3: systems failed people. 246 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 2: But what I. 247 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 3: Also am seeing in our country right now is a 248 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:12,439 Speaker 3: heightened level of distrust between and among the American people. 249 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 3: And when I speak of that, I don't mean simply 250 00:17:17,560 --> 00:17:21,120 Speaker 3: can I trust my neighbor that I don't I can 251 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:22,240 Speaker 3: leave my door unlocked. 252 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 2: It's much deeper than that. 253 00:17:25,320 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 3: It is a can I trust that my fellow American, 254 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 3: my neighbor is not a threat to my very existence? 255 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 3: That's right, and that we have some work to do. 256 00:17:40,600 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 3: You know a lot of people ask me what can 257 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:47,159 Speaker 3: I do? And first of all, how about No King's 258 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 3: Day two point zero? Right? The millions of people that 259 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 3: took to the streets, it was phenomenal. 260 00:17:58,800 --> 00:17:59,880 Speaker 2: And so there is that. 261 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 3: There is the work that is happening around these elections 262 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 3: that we just talked about. There is the work that 263 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 3: people are doing about getting more engaged and supporting nonprofits, 264 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 3: and in particular now when we are looking at the 265 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 3: shutdown and so many people that are even more in 266 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 3: need than they were before. There are many ways that 267 00:18:21,720 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 3: we can do this that really, I think highlights the 268 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 3: power of the individual to work on all of these 269 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 3: issues in a way that we can collectively make a difference. 270 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 3: But we've got some work to do that is about 271 00:18:34,960 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 3: fundamentally about trust and among us as people as well 272 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:42,880 Speaker 3: as in our systems. 273 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: You talked about the future of the Democratic Party, and 274 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: to me, recently the divide grew from a fracture to 275 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:05,600 Speaker 1: a major rift around the Charlie Kirk resolution in the 276 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 1: House of Representatives. I remember seeing Jasmine Crockett go on 277 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,239 Speaker 1: air and talk about there were only four just a 278 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: handful of white Democrats who voted no on that resolution, 279 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: growing not just a generational divide or an economic divide, 280 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: but also a racial divide. How do you think that 281 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: can be healed in this moment right now we're on 282 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: a high from these election results tonight. 283 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:34,120 Speaker 2: How can it be healed? We have to honest conversations 284 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 2: the listen. 285 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:40,720 Speaker 3: I mean, the part of what I refer to is 286 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 3: the first So we came in office the Biden Harris 287 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 3: administration during the height of the pandemic, so there was 288 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 3: not a lot of interaction personal interaction with folks. And 289 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 3: the first person that I hosted at the Vice President's 290 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 3: residence as world leader, and I, during my course of 291 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 3: vice presidency met with over one hundred and fifty world leaders, presidents, 292 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 3: prime minister's, chancellors, and kings. The first person that I 293 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:15,400 Speaker 3: hosted was then Chancellor Angela Merkel of Germany. And in fact, 294 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 3: part of what I talk about is, you know, the 295 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 3: press sometimes really does a number on women leaders in. 296 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 2: A variety of ways. 297 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:30,119 Speaker 3: She was in spite of how she had been portrayed 298 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 3: by some She was extremely warm, with a sense of humor. 299 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 2: And we got on quite well. 300 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 3: And this was toward the end of her leadership. She'd 301 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 3: probably been one of the putative leaders of Europe for 302 00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 3: fifteen years. And she asked me, she leaned over the 303 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,280 Speaker 3: table and she said, what's going on in the United 304 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 3: States around the Well, so this was in twenty one, 305 00:20:56,880 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 3: but to your point, her point was about voting and 306 00:21:01,400 --> 00:21:05,680 Speaker 3: voting rights and the attack on voting rights. And we 307 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 3: had this whole conversation and I said to her, you know, 308 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 3: you know, my mother was a scientist, so my analogies 309 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 3: are either like biology or cooking. 310 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:17,520 Speaker 2: I love to cook. 311 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 3: But so what I said to her is this, and 312 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 3: this is the way I would answer your point. You know, 313 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 3: in the human body, we have things that can attack us. 314 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,560 Speaker 3: But if we are healthy enough, God willing, we have 315 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 3: an immune system that will suppress it. But from time 316 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,760 Speaker 3: to time, something will cause those things to flare up. 317 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:47,240 Speaker 3: And what I said to is, in America, racism, xenophobia, homophobia, 318 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 3: anti Semitism, islamophobia, you name it. 319 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 2: These things have always existed in our country, and there 320 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 2: have been. 321 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 3: Moments where we suppressed it, and there are moments that 322 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 3: it has flared up because it has always been here. 323 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,399 Speaker 3: And that's part of what I think is required in 324 00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 3: these conversations, which. 325 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 2: Is some honesty about it. This did not just start 326 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:13,439 Speaker 2: in this election cycle. 327 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 3: And you know it does not help, of course, when 328 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,639 Speaker 3: there are powerful forces that are trying to erase America's 329 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:29,000 Speaker 3: history and teach our children contrary to what our history 330 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:29,920 Speaker 3: actually is. 331 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,240 Speaker 2: I applaud all the teachers who are here. I applaud 332 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:35,760 Speaker 2: God bless you. 333 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 3: Anybody who lives on a school board working for the 334 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 3: school district. Money you get paid enough His teachers and educators. 335 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:53,360 Speaker 2: You do God's work, but you know this. 336 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 3: Is but look at what's happening in terms of the dynamic. 337 00:22:56,160 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 3: There is an overt agenda to make a stop talking 338 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 3: about these issues, much less those who are pushing hate 339 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,119 Speaker 3: and racism and xenophobia. 340 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,160 Speaker 2: And so we have to. 341 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 3: Have those difficult conversations and we have to speak out 342 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,720 Speaker 3: where we see it. And I also believe no one 343 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:28,000 Speaker 3: should be made to fight alone. So whenever and wherever 344 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,440 Speaker 3: we're saying it, let's speak out. 345 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: Speaking of women in power, there's one in particular who 346 00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,480 Speaker 1: is known for two famous words right now, I dissent 347 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:44,560 Speaker 1: and you had a lot to do with her historic 348 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: placement on the Supreme Court of the United States. 349 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 2: That is Katanji Brown Jackson. Justice Katanji Brown Jackson. Yes, ma'am, Yes, ma'am. 350 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 2: Let me not get too familiar. 351 00:23:55,000 --> 00:24:00,400 Speaker 3: Absolutely, justin, Madam, Justine, madam, just And what I. 352 00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: Wanted to bring to this audience for just a moment 353 00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:07,080 Speaker 1: is your massive portfolio that you were responsible for as 354 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 1: the Vice President of the United States. But Justice Katanji 355 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: Brown Jackson is certainly one of them. Talk about how 356 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: she is fueling hope. Right now, I. 357 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 2: Have nothing but profound praise. 358 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:31,439 Speaker 3: You know, when I talked with her during the process 359 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 3: and interviewed her, one of the things among many that 360 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 3: I was just incredibly excited and about her talent and 361 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:49,760 Speaker 3: her skill and her gift is she has that extraordinary 362 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 3: ability to deconstruct something that feels and often is complicated 363 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 3: and complex and nuanced and just break it down. 364 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 2: And she is so smart. 365 00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:16,199 Speaker 3: And well informed and obviously extraordinary education and a student, 366 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:21,879 Speaker 3: and that she when she speaks, it is with a 367 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:27,960 Speaker 3: level of authority, strength and gravitas that history will read 368 00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 3: her words and understand how we all hoped to articulate 369 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 3: this moment. And I encourage everyone when you get a 370 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,119 Speaker 3: chance to just pull anyone of her descents. She just 371 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 3: breaks it down, and she does it in a way 372 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 3: that you know, I pray for her because I will 373 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:02,320 Speaker 3: tell you, like so many here, whether in our personal 374 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:10,119 Speaker 3: or professional lives, this is a difficult time to speak 375 00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 3: up when, in particular, you are in an environment that 376 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 3: you know is not welcoming of a difficult conversation, much 377 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 3: less an environment that is at the very least in 378 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 3: disagreement with you. And she does it in an environment 379 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:33,840 Speaker 3: that is at least that and an environment where there 380 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 3: is also an overt attack on the rule of law 381 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:44,119 Speaker 3: and an attempt to basically dismantle our constitution and the 382 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 3: principles behind it. And she's standing firm and she's standing 383 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:51,359 Speaker 3: up for it. But I will also say this on 384 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,160 Speaker 3: the point about the disagreement piece. 385 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 2: Right now. 386 00:26:55,720 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 3: I was listening to something and this person was just 387 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,919 Speaker 3: talking about, Yes, the country has divided. The country is divided. Oh, 388 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:08,159 Speaker 3: I know, I was, I was, it was. It was, okay, 389 00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,680 Speaker 3: it was. I was watching local news after the Dodgers game. 390 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 2: Congratulations by the way, for my husband. I'm a Giants fan. 391 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 2: We have a divided household. 392 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 3: But in any event, one of the sportscasters was talking 393 00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 3: about the teams coming gether. 394 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,040 Speaker 2: I'm making this far too long, but I kept talking 395 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:36,880 Speaker 2: about we're in a divided country. 396 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,760 Speaker 3: And here's the thing I would say about that. I 397 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:47,400 Speaker 3: think that we should all challenge ourselves. Are we are 398 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 3: we forming an opinion based on certain assumptions, and always 399 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 3: ask ourselves what are the assumptions that are the basis 400 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 3: of our opinion. For example, I think it is a 401 00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 3: mistake to assume that people who voted differently than us. 402 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 3: It's a mistake to assume that we are working with 403 00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 3: the same information, right, and and and and and if 404 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 3: we do assume that it is, it's it is perhaps 405 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 3: easy then for us to decide, well, we have a 406 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 3: different set of morals and values, then to perhaps first 407 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:36,520 Speaker 3: ask are we working with the same information? And I 408 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,640 Speaker 3: say information, because fact is fact two plus two us four. 409 00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 3: So but in the conversations, the difficult conversations that need 410 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,800 Speaker 3: to happen, I think we've got to find room in 411 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 3: these conversations to start with figuring out what are the 412 00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 3: underlying bits of information or fact that the other person 413 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 3: is working with, and to figure out how there is 414 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 3: room to share that information about the facts as we 415 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 3: believe them to be, to enter the conversation. 416 00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 2: But we have some work to do. 417 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 3: But the fact of in particular miss and disinformation in 418 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 3: our country right now is profound, and I know it 419 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 3: because I experienced it firsthand as a candidate for President 420 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 3: of the United States as the Democratic nominee. I will 421 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:35,479 Speaker 3: tell you that the issue of miss and disinformation is 422 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,400 Speaker 3: not new in the history of our species. 423 00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 2: It's not. 424 00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:47,000 Speaker 3: You know, there was a time though, that miss and 425 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 3: disinformation to be widespread was because it would be, for example, 426 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 3: a nation state an actor who had that kind of 427 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 3: ability to spread miss and disinformation to large populations of 428 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 3: people as a way to sway them in one direction 429 00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,880 Speaker 3: or another, to so mistrust or distrust. For example, I 430 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 3: was the United States Senator and I served on the 431 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 3: Senate Intelligence Committee when we investigated Russia's interference in the 432 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:18,360 Speaker 3: twenty sixteen election, and we then declassified a big part 433 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 3: of our findings to make it accessible in public. 434 00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,480 Speaker 2: And we found, of course that Russia had in fact. 435 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 3: Interfered in that election with miss and disinformation, including targeting 436 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 3: specific populations, including black voters, with the understanding and belief 437 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:42,440 Speaker 3: that based on a lived experience that there would. 438 00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 2: Be a higher level of distrust and systems. 439 00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:50,960 Speaker 3: And so when you look at the fact of targeted 440 00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 3: miss and disinformation, it's not new. And when you then 441 00:30:55,680 --> 00:31:01,320 Speaker 3: consider the role of social media, it's profound because whereas 442 00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 3: before to disseminate large amounts would require a nation state 443 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:11,280 Speaker 3: who have the resources, now with technology the entry point 444 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 3: is much lower. So the benefit of social media and 445 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 3: technology is that it has, as we like to talk about, 446 00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 3: democratized people's voices. Now, anyone with something important to say 447 00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,520 Speaker 3: arguably or well informed can. 448 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:27,320 Speaker 2: Reach a lot of people. 449 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,400 Speaker 3: But it also has meant that the entry point to 450 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,840 Speaker 3: getting into the system to disseminate large amounts of information, 451 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,760 Speaker 3: even when it is inaccurate and intentionally so, is much easier. 452 00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,800 Speaker 3: And so when we talk about the work that we 453 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 3: need to do, part of it is recognizing that and 454 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,240 Speaker 3: figuring out how each of us in our lives much 455 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 3: less people in a position of authority with platforms can 456 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:03,120 Speaker 3: debunk missing disinformation so that we're all working again from 457 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,560 Speaker 3: the same facts, and then we can form our opinions 458 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 3: and disagree based on that. 459 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: I appreciate you bringing up your time in the United 460 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:16,680 Speaker 1: States Senate in part because you were our fiercest advocate 461 00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: in many a hearing room. But also there's some work 462 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:22,560 Speaker 1: that you did behind the scenes that I don't know 463 00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: if people know as much, including your work around the 464 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: George Floyd Justice and Policing Act. To me, that is 465 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: where I really got to see your work ethic. I 466 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 1: remember we had a call and you talked about calling 467 00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: all of the all of your colleagues to get them 468 00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:43,080 Speaker 1: to sign onto the bill. And now we're in an 469 00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 1: environment where those calls can't be made. 470 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 2: As easily. 471 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,320 Speaker 1: You know, there are people who aren't willing to pick 472 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 1: up the phone, aren't willing to cross party lines even 473 00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: to have a conversation. So we talked about the fracture 474 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,720 Speaker 1: within the Democratic Party. We talked about the mistrust even 475 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 1: neighbored a neighbor. What are some things that folks can 476 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: do when they leave tonight to start to rebuild that trust, 477 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: to start to pick up the phone and see if 478 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 1: there's a way to negotiate, not with terrorists, but with 479 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: folks who might be of goodwill. 480 00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 2: I'm gonna leave that alone. 481 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 3: An I might work for the moment, but then Fox 482 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 3: News will just have it all over the place. 483 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 2: They do that anyway. 484 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 3: Kamala Harris is saying, let's, you know, do something with terrorists. Lord, 485 00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 3: I believe in the power of the people, and I 486 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 3: believe in the power of individuals, and look it takes. Look, 487 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:58,920 Speaker 3: I know we're all tired of having conversations about the obvious. 488 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,920 Speaker 2: The governor is here. By the way, did we come 489 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:01,560 Speaker 2: a stand up? 490 00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:16,000 Speaker 3: Bob Santa set up Bob Bob ferguson stand up? Can 491 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 3: I work together. 492 00:34:17,040 --> 00:34:17,800 Speaker 2: Over the years? 493 00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 3: Thank you for being here, Bob, Both you and the general, 494 00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 3: thank you. So so I know that there is a 495 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 3: certain level of fatigue about just why do I have 496 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 3: to talk about what is obvious to me? But it's 497 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,359 Speaker 3: also about people. This this environment is making a lot 498 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 3: of people, whether we agree with them completely or not, feel. 499 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 2: Really on edge. 500 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:44,800 Speaker 3: You know, I've been doing this book tour for a 501 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:48,160 Speaker 3: little bit time now, and the number of people that 502 00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:53,200 Speaker 3: are just feeling we're on edge, like what's gonna happen next? 503 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:59,440 Speaker 3: I often have been saying, because I believe it true 504 00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 3: that things make it worse before they get better, folks. 505 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 2: And I believe that sadly because I've seen it. 506 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 3: I've said it one night and then the next night 507 00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:19,400 Speaker 3: they indict Tis James that being said, we cannot afford 508 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:32,040 Speaker 3: to normalize what is happening. We cannot, We cannot, And 509 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 3: that means take the minute that you need to take 510 00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,959 Speaker 3: to breathe, but then get back out there and have 511 00:35:39,120 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 3: the conversations. 512 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,279 Speaker 2: With your neighbor, with your coworker, and just. 513 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,400 Speaker 3: Find those moments to just it doesn't have to be 514 00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:51,880 Speaker 3: a whole deep debate, but just you know, part. 515 00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 2: Of it is just checking in. 516 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 3: Because this environment is making people feel on edge, and 517 00:35:57,480 --> 00:36:02,840 Speaker 3: therefore feel alone, and it's very it's empowering to feel alone, 518 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:08,479 Speaker 3: to feel that as though you don't have community. And 519 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 3: that's the power of each of us to create community. 520 00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 3: I mean, here, I'm gonna do something that's gonna feel corny, 521 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,359 Speaker 3: but just if you don't know the person sitting next 522 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 3: to you, say how you doing. 523 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:29,760 Speaker 2: Right? 524 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:39,720 Speaker 3: Right? Like that? 525 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,799 Speaker 2: That was very black church of you, by the way, 526 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 2: turn your neighbor, but right. 527 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,879 Speaker 3: But church is an example, one example of how we 528 00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:57,000 Speaker 3: create community. How we just find a way to engage 529 00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 3: with someone just because we're sitting next to them. And 530 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,520 Speaker 3: I think that's part of what we've got to do 531 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 3: right now. It seems so simple, but that will be 532 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,120 Speaker 3: part of how we get through this in a way 533 00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:14,520 Speaker 3: that is not only about our sanity but is also healing. 534 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: Who cares about truth when allows more than saying it. 535 00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 1: We started at the shutdown, which is another place where 536 00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:38,239 Speaker 1: we have a golf. Now we're starting to see disagreement, 537 00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,480 Speaker 1: I think even more even within parties. The Republicans that 538 00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:44,120 Speaker 1: are like, we're not for this shutting down of snap 539 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: and they're Democrats saying, we don't know if this is 540 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: the right thing to do, if this is the right approach. 541 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:53,080 Speaker 1: What are you advising elected officials to do in this moment? 542 00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:54,960 Speaker 1: What do you think is the path forward? 543 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,439 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've talked to a number of them and they've 544 00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 3: called me a well, I think we have to fight. Look, 545 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:12,160 Speaker 3: let me, this is not a time like I'm done 546 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 3: with the conversation lamenting over the fact that they're cheating. 547 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 2: Oh, they're cheating. What are we gonna do? 548 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,560 Speaker 3: We're gonna fight fire with fire as well, we're gonna do. 549 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,080 Speaker 3: We're gonna fight fire with fire. 550 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,280 Speaker 2: That's what we're gonna do. We just did it. I'm 551 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:33,520 Speaker 2: waiting the poles. 552 00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,279 Speaker 3: Oh look, the posts will have just closed here and 553 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:44,439 Speaker 3: in California Prop fifty right, which is gonna pass. We 554 00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:49,280 Speaker 3: have to fight fire with fire. There they are cheating 555 00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:55,280 Speaker 3: and we cannot, we cannot let them just keep taking 556 00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:55,880 Speaker 3: our lunch. 557 00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:01,000 Speaker 2: We gotta punch back. We gotta punch back. 558 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,960 Speaker 3: We do we do. 559 00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,359 Speaker 1: So there is Prop fifty in California. There are other 560 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:18,399 Speaker 1: states with democratic governors that can move forward and take 561 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:22,360 Speaker 1: a similar approach. We saw this in response to Texas 562 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,960 Speaker 1: racist jerrymandering scheme. And of course this is the sixtieth 563 00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,799 Speaker 1: anniversary of the voting rise act. That's also something else 564 00:39:29,840 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 1: that was in your portfolio as VP. 565 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 3: And look we have we well we all love each 566 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:42,920 Speaker 3: other and thank you, thank you, I mean look again. 567 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:52,880 Speaker 3: So part of this moment requires us to understand what 568 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:59,439 Speaker 3: is happening now did not just happen overnight. 569 00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,480 Speaker 2: It did not just happen overnight. 570 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:09,680 Speaker 3: We have What we are witnessing right now is something 571 00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:15,480 Speaker 3: that has been feeling chaotic. It has been feeling chaotic, 572 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,320 Speaker 3: but what we are in fact experiencing is a high 573 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:25,040 Speaker 3: velocity event that is about the swift implementation of a 574 00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:37,840 Speaker 3: plan that has been decades in the making. And I 575 00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 3: would suggest that part of what we cannot do, as 576 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:47,520 Speaker 3: Democrats and those who are aligned is allow ourselves to 577 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:49,880 Speaker 3: think this is only about the guy who's in the 578 00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:55,440 Speaker 3: Oval office, because that's a mistake. That's a mistake, yes, 579 00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:02,279 Speaker 3: that and there is a whole apparatus around him that 580 00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:07,200 Speaker 3: has facilitated this very moment when he would arrive. There 581 00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:11,240 Speaker 3: is the Federalist Society, The Heritage Foundation Project twenty twenty 582 00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:12,240 Speaker 3: five didn't just fall. 583 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:13,600 Speaker 2: Out of the sky. 584 00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:22,360 Speaker 3: The attacks on the Department of Education have been decades 585 00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:25,640 Speaker 3: in the making, and now they want to take head 586 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 3: start and school lunches from children. This is an agenda 587 00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:37,640 Speaker 3: that has been in play for decades and now they 588 00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:41,080 Speaker 3: are implementing. They're not just coming up with the ideas. 589 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,480 Speaker 3: It's full implementation. And you know, part of the way 590 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:48,240 Speaker 3: I look at it is if you just think about 591 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 3: how we got to this moment in terms of the individual, 592 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,399 Speaker 3: the way I kind of think about it is, imagine 593 00:41:55,200 --> 00:42:03,479 Speaker 3: the amalgamation of the celebrity of Ronald Rake with the 594 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:08,640 Speaker 3: base with the base level of I don't even want 595 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:11,160 Speaker 3: to call it dialogue, but discourse of. 596 00:42:11,160 --> 00:42:17,160 Speaker 2: Newt Caningridge with the. 597 00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:21,759 Speaker 3: Kind of nationalism and and and and of of of 598 00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:28,480 Speaker 3: Pat Buchanan. This is what we have, right So just 599 00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:33,000 Speaker 3: understand that this is not going to just go away 600 00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:35,680 Speaker 3: when the guy is turned out, if he ever leaves. 601 00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,280 Speaker 2: And that's something we do need to pay attention to, Okay. 602 00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,239 Speaker 3: But this is something that we have we have to 603 00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:50,560 Speaker 3: understand with to your point, the jerry mandering has been 604 00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,160 Speaker 3: going on for years and years and years. I mean 605 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:59,160 Speaker 3: remember that famous case in North Carolina where there was 606 00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:04,400 Speaker 3: a purposeful the court said it attempt not even just 607 00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,920 Speaker 3: attempt to excise black voters. 608 00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:12,399 Speaker 2: So we have to also. 609 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 3: Think about not only the short term goal, but the 610 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,040 Speaker 3: long term goal of leapfrogging over this. I think part 611 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:22,840 Speaker 3: of it includes and this is why I again applaud 612 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,960 Speaker 3: now mayor elect Mom Donnie, we have to also, but 613 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:30,279 Speaker 3: let me let me say why we also have to. 614 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,040 Speaker 3: And I don't mean this to exclude anybody, but really 615 00:43:33,080 --> 00:43:40,680 Speaker 3: focus on gen Z and hear them when they talk 616 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:45,160 Speaker 3: about their needs and what they're not getting, and engage 617 00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:48,040 Speaker 3: in a very intentional way their participation. Do you know 618 00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:56,520 Speaker 3: gen Z is a larger population demographically than boomers. Gen 619 00:43:56,640 --> 00:44:01,680 Speaker 3: Z is from about age thirteen to about age twenty. 620 00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,000 Speaker 2: And you think about. 621 00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,319 Speaker 3: This population as a specific population of people. They've only 622 00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:12,920 Speaker 3: known the climate crisis, They went through very significant periods 623 00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:18,800 Speaker 3: of their education without the structure around that and socialization. 624 00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:23,799 Speaker 3: It is predicted that gen Z will have between ten 625 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:29,560 Speaker 3: and twelve jobs in their lifetime. Yeah, older generations could 626 00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,719 Speaker 3: basically come out of high school or college and the 627 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:36,120 Speaker 3: job they had is where they retired. If you're looking 628 00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,279 Speaker 3: at people who are right now college age and in 629 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:44,120 Speaker 3: college or in some form of education at that age, 630 00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:46,960 Speaker 3: they are well aware that what they are studying now 631 00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:52,200 Speaker 3: may not actually lead to an employable job and I 632 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,160 Speaker 3: think of gen Z in the I think that we 633 00:44:55,200 --> 00:44:58,200 Speaker 3: should think of gen Z the way we once thought 634 00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:02,000 Speaker 3: of another general of people that we then decided we 635 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,120 Speaker 3: would invest in, and that is that group of folks 636 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:09,560 Speaker 3: that we call the Greatest Generation. Now obviously for different reasons, 637 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,759 Speaker 3: they fought in World War Two, and we as a 638 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,120 Speaker 3: community of people as a country, said we're going to 639 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:23,320 Speaker 3: invest in them because investing in the GI bill, investing 640 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:26,120 Speaker 3: in their ability to buy homes. Although we can talk 641 00:45:26,160 --> 00:45:31,880 Speaker 3: about the racial discrimination then, but we decided it was 642 00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,160 Speaker 3: worth our investment for the sake of the future of 643 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:38,840 Speaker 3: our country. I think similarly, as we are thinking about 644 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:43,160 Speaker 3: how we are building toward the future, we should be 645 00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:46,960 Speaker 3: thinking about a variety of things, including that specific generation 646 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:51,360 Speaker 3: and how an investment in them will actually benefit us all, 647 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:57,680 Speaker 3: including their political participation. And that requires first of all, 648 00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,640 Speaker 3: that we listen to them and what they are telling 649 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:04,920 Speaker 3: us about how they are thinking about our government, our country, 650 00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:06,120 Speaker 3: and our future. 651 00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,520 Speaker 1: There's one area that was really important to gen Z, 652 00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:19,200 Speaker 1: and I know their parents too, that you all had 653 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,520 Speaker 1: a tremendous record around in the Biden Harris administration, and 654 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,359 Speaker 1: that's around student loan debt. 655 00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,200 Speaker 2: Forgiveness, So I want to make sure. 656 00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,720 Speaker 1: We acknowledge the history in case they try to rewrite 657 00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:32,279 Speaker 1: that as well. 658 00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:37,040 Speaker 3: Well that and also, you know, I think we part 659 00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:40,920 Speaker 3: of the focus that I had was also in what 660 00:46:40,960 --> 00:46:44,160 Speaker 3: we need to do to invest in education after high school, 661 00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:47,960 Speaker 3: and that we really ought to think about. 662 00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:50,120 Speaker 2: Our language in that regard because we. 663 00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:55,279 Speaker 3: Have really attributed we've we've really attributed value in a 664 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,360 Speaker 3: way that we have diminished the value we have diminished. 665 00:46:58,400 --> 00:46:59,239 Speaker 2: We have diminished the. 666 00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,400 Speaker 3: Value of education after high school if it is not 667 00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:02,400 Speaker 3: college education. 668 00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,520 Speaker 2: And that's a mistake and. 669 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,719 Speaker 3: Part of my plan, and I don't want to talk 670 00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,600 Speaker 3: about it for you know, oh too bad it didn't happen, 671 00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,120 Speaker 3: But more like this is what I think how we 672 00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:22,240 Speaker 3: should be thinking going forward. Was as president, and I says, 673 00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,400 Speaker 3: I would have been in charge of well, we now 674 00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:27,080 Speaker 3: have seen what this guy has done. But the largest, 675 00:47:27,120 --> 00:47:30,480 Speaker 3: one of the largest workforces in America is the federal government. 676 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:36,560 Speaker 3: And part of my plan was to re categorize the 677 00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:41,600 Speaker 3: jobs not just around the degree that is required, but 678 00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,080 Speaker 3: the skill that is required. And it was my intention 679 00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,440 Speaker 3: to then challenge the private sector to do the same 680 00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,799 Speaker 3: because increasingly the jobs that are going to lead to 681 00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:57,319 Speaker 3: our productivity. Really, we ought to think about them in 682 00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,920 Speaker 3: terms of the skill so that we can also communicate 683 00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:04,520 Speaker 3: to an incoming workforce, is what do you need to learn? 684 00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,040 Speaker 3: And oftentimes it may be a two year education that 685 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,960 Speaker 3: earns you the certificate to have the skill to do 686 00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,280 Speaker 3: the job that pays really well, as opposed to requiring 687 00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:19,279 Speaker 3: someone to go through a four year process, which and 688 00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:23,280 Speaker 3: maybe graduating four years if not five, while not working 689 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:26,600 Speaker 3: and owing student loans at the end of it all. 690 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,200 Speaker 2: And so part of. 691 00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:36,759 Speaker 3: You know, there are solutions in him, I mean one 692 00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,399 Speaker 3: of the other things that I think we need to do. 693 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:43,640 Speaker 3: So okay, everyone just get ready for this. I really 694 00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,920 Speaker 3: believe we ought to lower the voting age to sixteen. 695 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:52,520 Speaker 2: What about are life? 696 00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:54,759 Speaker 3: I know some people need to really sit with that, 697 00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:55,680 Speaker 3: and I get it. 698 00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:58,759 Speaker 2: Sit with it for a moment, But. 699 00:49:01,080 --> 00:49:04,000 Speaker 3: I'm telling you, if we want to take on some 700 00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:08,120 Speaker 3: of the most intractable problems, you know, some of us 701 00:49:08,120 --> 00:49:10,120 Speaker 3: of a certain age we are going to benefit from 702 00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:14,640 Speaker 3: the way things have always been. But anybody who is 703 00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:19,440 Speaker 3: sixteen right now, they are so aware of how this 704 00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:24,080 Speaker 3: is not working out for them, and think about the 705 00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:28,759 Speaker 3: influence they would have if they had an ability if 706 00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:30,600 Speaker 3: people who are running for office knew they had to 707 00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,880 Speaker 3: respond to the needs of someone who is sixteen. And 708 00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:37,120 Speaker 3: I know it's a complicated issue for some of you. 709 00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,319 Speaker 3: I get it, but I think we should give it 710 00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:42,080 Speaker 3: some consideration. 711 00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,440 Speaker 1: I like the idea of you run in a campaign 712 00:49:44,680 --> 00:49:46,520 Speaker 1: like if you can drive, you can vote. 713 00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:47,080 Speaker 2: I like it. 714 00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:50,920 Speaker 3: But that's I like it. 715 00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:51,440 Speaker 2: It's smart. 716 00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:55,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, So okay, So, speaking of going to looking towards 717 00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:59,640 Speaker 1: the future, you spoke in the book about systems failing, 718 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:03,600 Speaker 1: talked earlier today even about the capitulation and not expecting 719 00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:08,239 Speaker 1: to see it in such a widespread manner. I want 720 00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,839 Speaker 1: to know from you if this is fixable, and if 721 00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,719 Speaker 1: you were giving us a closing argument, because you know, 722 00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:18,680 Speaker 1: you're Kamala hairs for the people. Is this democracy worth 723 00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:20,359 Speaker 1: saving and fighting for? 724 00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:23,839 Speaker 2: Andy? But of course of course it is. 725 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:29,640 Speaker 3: But here's the thing, I again, going back to the language. 726 00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:32,000 Speaker 3: I think we need to do a better job of 727 00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:38,320 Speaker 3: defining what we mean by democracy. You know, and I, 728 00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:45,480 Speaker 3: for example, would we agree that a functional and working democracy, 729 00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,680 Speaker 3: In a functional and working democracy, the government needs the. 730 00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:50,440 Speaker 2: Needs of the people. 731 00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:51,160 Speaker 3: Yes? 732 00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:56,000 Speaker 2: And are we doing that? No? Right? 733 00:50:56,239 --> 00:50:58,560 Speaker 3: You know, Listen, at the end of this all, there 734 00:50:58,680 --> 00:50:59,839 Speaker 3: is going to be a whole lot of. 735 00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,040 Speaker 2: And you know, for all. 736 00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:07,279 Speaker 3: Of the tech associated people here, you know, we talk 737 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,359 Speaker 3: about disruption, but disruption is not destruction, and they are 738 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:17,680 Speaker 3: destroying a lot. And so at the end of it all, 739 00:51:18,080 --> 00:51:20,960 Speaker 3: there's going to be work that must be done. And 740 00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,040 Speaker 3: I would suggest that the work that needs to be 741 00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:30,600 Speaker 3: done is not necessarily about rebuilding, because there were things 742 00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:32,600 Speaker 3: that really were not working even before. 743 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,480 Speaker 2: And I believe that we cannot approach. 744 00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:40,120 Speaker 3: What we're going to need to do going forward with 745 00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,480 Speaker 3: a sense of nostalgia about things the way they were. 746 00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:47,000 Speaker 3: We're going to really have to again invite those conversations, 747 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,719 Speaker 3: and at the crux of the conversation has to be 748 00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:51,480 Speaker 3: is the government. 749 00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:52,920 Speaker 2: Responding to the needs of the people. 750 00:51:54,239 --> 00:52:00,000 Speaker 3: And that's about efficiency, That's about effectiveness. It's about insurance 751 00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,960 Speaker 3: that the voices of the people are actually present in 752 00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:06,319 Speaker 3: the room where the decisions are being made. It is 753 00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,480 Speaker 3: about whether the government is focused not just on process 754 00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:11,799 Speaker 3: but actually progress. 755 00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:14,560 Speaker 2: It is about whether we. 756 00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:18,560 Speaker 3: Are thinking not only in the immediate term, but thinking five, 757 00:52:18,680 --> 00:52:22,680 Speaker 3: ten and twenty years out about what we are creating, 758 00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:28,799 Speaker 3: what we are investing in, what we are nurturing. In 759 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,720 Speaker 3: between everything else that we have to do. Right now, 760 00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:36,400 Speaker 3: this should be an active conversation among us, because the 761 00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,279 Speaker 3: day will quickly come. 762 00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:41,680 Speaker 2: And arguably is here to start. 763 00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:48,880 Speaker 3: Also, also in the midst of our fight, really articulating 764 00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:53,920 Speaker 3: what we need. We need a government that promises the 765 00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:55,520 Speaker 3: people affordable childcare. 766 00:52:55,800 --> 00:52:57,640 Speaker 2: We need paid family leave. 767 00:52:58,280 --> 00:53:01,880 Speaker 3: We need to have a system where people do not 768 00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:05,319 Speaker 3: have to leave their source of income or the job 769 00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,440 Speaker 3: they love because they can't afford to take care of 770 00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:13,120 Speaker 3: a sick family member. We need to have a government 771 00:53:13,160 --> 00:53:16,560 Speaker 3: that understands basic needs like housing should be within the 772 00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:28,000 Speaker 3: affordable reach of people and working people. But we're not 773 00:53:28,040 --> 00:53:30,400 Speaker 3: going to give up on our Look, this is our country, 774 00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:32,040 Speaker 3: this is our country. 775 00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:37,279 Speaker 2: It's not theirs. It's ours, it's not. 776 00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:44,200 Speaker 3: And this is the first step toward fighting for our 777 00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:49,120 Speaker 3: democracy is believing, truly believing, believing and knowing that the 778 00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:50,280 Speaker 3: power is with the people. 779 00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,480 Speaker 2: And that's where it starts. 780 00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:56,760 Speaker 3: And as long as we don't give up our power, 781 00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,839 Speaker 3: I say, don't let anyone take your power from you. 782 00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:05,480 Speaker 3: Don't let anyone take your power. 783 00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:24,000 Speaker 1: From you, and you never have, you never have. Thank 784 00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,920 Speaker 1: you for embodying power. Thank you for coming to my 785 00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:29,920 Speaker 1: hometown to see out of Washington. 786 00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:36,880 Speaker 2: Thank you all. 787 00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:47,680 Speaker 5: All, Thank you all, thank you for reminding us that 788 00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:48,799 Speaker 5: when we fight, we win. 789 00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,839 Speaker 1: Even if the battle is a little bit longer than 790 00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:52,120 Speaker 1: we expected. 791 00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:54,480 Speaker 2: Well, it's always gonna be. It's gonna take everything. 792 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,600 Speaker 3: It takes a while, but we don't give up, and 793 00:54:57,640 --> 00:55:01,040 Speaker 3: we see change, we see progress again. Let's go home 794 00:55:01,080 --> 00:55:04,280 Speaker 3: tonight and see what has happened in these elections around 795 00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:04,840 Speaker 3: the country. 796 00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:10,239 Speaker 2: Let that fortify us. The battle is worth fighting. It's 797 00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:11,600 Speaker 2: worth fighting. 798 00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,520 Speaker 3: And we cannot give up, and we cannot be dispirited. 799 00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:19,080 Speaker 3: And we have to maintain our joy, We maintain our light, 800 00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:21,920 Speaker 3: we maintain a sense of community. 801 00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:23,840 Speaker 2: None of us is in this alone. 802 00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:27,240 Speaker 3: We are all in this together, and that is our strength, 803 00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,280 Speaker 3: and that is our purpose. 804 00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:33,160 Speaker 2: And when we fight, we will there we go. 805 00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,400 Speaker 1: Native is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with Reason 806 00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:07,879 Speaker 1: Choice Media. 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