WEBVTT - Ep 106: Lucy Dacus 0:00:01.000 --> 0:00:03.360 I don't know if I've ever been happier than at 0:00:03.360 --> 0:00:06.320 an LCD sound System show, especially like a festival show 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:08.360 at the back where there's like room you can kind 0:00:08.400 --> 0:00:09.400 of like flail around. 0:00:09.920 --> 0:00:14.360 Welcome to Midnight Chats, a podcast of laid back conversations 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:19.000 with leading names in music. In keeping with these informal interviews, 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:22.640 each new one is published weekly at midnight. This week's 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:25.360 episode is hosted by me Greg Cochrane from Loud and 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:30.720 Choirt magazine Tonight. My guest on the podcast is Lucy 0:00:30.920 --> 0:00:35.000 Dacus for my Money, one of the best American songwriters 0:00:35.040 --> 0:00:37.919 to break through in the past few years. If you're 0:00:37.960 --> 0:00:41.840 not familiar, Lucy released her debut album No Burden when 0:00:41.840 --> 0:00:46.519 she was just twenty one years old back in twenty sixteen. 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:49.680 Two years later, she followed that up with Historian, and 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:53.200 now she's on the eve of releasing her third album, 0:00:53.360 --> 0:00:57.760 Home Video, coming to a record store or streaming service 0:00:57.920 --> 0:01:01.200 near you on the twenty fifth of June twenty twenty one. 0:01:01.520 --> 0:01:04.440 She'll also be familiar to lots of listeners as being 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:08.399 one third of Boy Genius, the trio Lucy is part 0:01:08.440 --> 0:01:12.000 of along with Phoebe Bridges and Julienne Baker, I do 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:14.760 ask about whether there's going to be more music from 0:01:14.800 --> 0:01:18.440 them in the podcast. In April, I dialed up Lucy 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:21.640 for the conversation you are about to hear, the first 0:01:21.680 --> 0:01:24.080 time i'd spoken to her since we met around three 0:01:24.160 --> 0:01:27.479 years ago. That was around the release of Historian. There 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:30.880 was a lot to get into, not least the roller 0:01:30.880 --> 0:01:35.000 coaster experience of pandemic lockdown, the day dreams that we've 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:38.880 all had around getting back to seeing our favorite artists 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:43.640 play live soon hopefully. Plus we talk about embarrassing home 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:47.120 videos of us as kids, since that's what the new 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:50.520 album is called. And we discussed the merits or otherwise 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:54.200 of a bunch of old TV shows and movies, including 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:57.360 the terrible script in in One Tree Hill and the 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:01.920 weird CGI Baby in the US Twilight Saga. This was 0:02:01.960 --> 0:02:04.840 a really fun one to record, So let's get into 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:07.880 the chat. This is episode one hundred and six at 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:17.760 Midnight Chat with Lucy Dakers. You are actually the last 0:02:17.760 --> 0:02:20.080 of the Boy Genius trio to come on our podcast. 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:23.440 But I think we've saved the best to last, haven't we. 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:25.799 I think we definitely no. 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:28.840 No, no, there's no best among us. But you've completed 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:29.560 the trifecta. 0:02:29.840 --> 0:02:32.920 Yeah, it's lovely to have you on because we have 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:35.720 met once before in real life when meeting up in 0:02:35.760 --> 0:02:39.600 real life was still a thing. Yeah. Yeah, it was 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:42.840 in London a few years ago in the reveloptive release 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:46.200 of your album Historian, and I really enjoyed the time 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:48.720 we spent together because we were hanging out down by the 0:02:48.720 --> 0:02:52.120 canal in East London and we were chatting all things 0:02:52.120 --> 0:02:54.760 to come. But also we suppose we were talking about 0:02:54.960 --> 0:02:58.000 that you had quite a difficult year in twenty seventeen, 0:02:58.000 --> 0:02:59.760 because that was what that album, you know, some of 0:02:59.800 --> 0:03:02.560 the ands of that record. So I just wanted to 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:05.919 ask and kind of hope that I hope twenty eighteen 0:03:05.919 --> 0:03:08.160 and twenty nineteen, so after we last met, I hope 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:10.000 those were good years. Right, We've got on to twenty 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:13.600 twenty in a minute, But yeah, how was twenty eighteen 0:03:13.600 --> 0:03:15.560 and twenty nineteen with an improvement? 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:18.160 It's funny because I feel like catching up with friends 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:21.280 after the pandemic, It's going to be a similar question like, oh, yeah, 0:03:21.320 --> 0:03:24.320 how was your twenty nineteen and twenty twenty, like summing 0:03:24.360 --> 0:03:28.360 up all these years, But twenty eighteen was really good, 0:03:29.080 --> 0:03:34.080 and twenty nineteen was bad. Oh, to be honest. Twenty 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:36.600 eighteen though, yeah, like Historian came out, we were touring 0:03:36.640 --> 0:03:40.600 a lot. What genius happened? Twenty nineteen, we were still 0:03:40.640 --> 0:03:42.840 touring a lot, had a couple of tough tours. I 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:48.640 had a vocal injury right that really was terrible and 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:51.560 hopefully I've overcome or figured out how to manage now. 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:55.080 But yeah, and I just had some personal life stuff 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:58.680 that was really dramatic, some family health kind of things. 0:03:58.760 --> 0:04:02.560 And yeah, obviously twenty twenty is like a black hole 0:04:02.960 --> 0:04:06.880 of a year where it's like, you know, even now, 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:09.720 it's like quarantine isn't really over. It still feels like 0:04:09.760 --> 0:04:13.680 twenty twenty to me. But I'm optimistic about twenty twenty one. 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:16.640 I like the idea of everyone kind of just going 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:20.920 hogwild and their personal life, like everyone's like ready to 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:23.080 make the changes that should happen. Like it's going to 0:04:23.120 --> 0:04:26.839 be chaotic, I'm pretty sure, but like I'm optimistic that 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:32.760 it's going to be chaos pointed towards like a better life. 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:36.800 Do you think everybody's kind of been storing up this 0:04:38.000 --> 0:04:41.440 improvement energy because we like it's like we've gone through 0:04:41.440 --> 0:04:44.440 this big pause where there's been a chance to sort 0:04:44.440 --> 0:04:47.400 of reflect, Maybe people have thought about the things that 0:04:47.440 --> 0:04:50.800 they they don't need in their lives, or or the 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:52.839 improvements they can make, the things that make them happier. 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:56.040 And therefore, as things open up maybe I'm sounding really 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:58.520 optimistic here as well, but as things kind of reopen 0:04:58.600 --> 0:05:01.120 that there's almost this sort of your moment, like a 0:05:01.200 --> 0:05:03.080 new you kind of type thing. Do you do you 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:06.120 think there's that's true you surrounded by that energy or 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:09.760 are you more like British cynicism of like it's going 0:05:09.839 --> 0:05:10.960 to be even worse than before. 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:16.400 Oh, I do think it's going to be better than before, 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:20.680 but I think you you have to. My hope is 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:23.480 that instead of like all of us that have lived 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:26.479 through this, being like more fearful because of it, like 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:30.800 all of us extremely grateful and just like approaching life 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:36.839 realizing how much we've missed and being like, oh, I 0:05:37.040 --> 0:05:41.080 love restaurants or like, and I appreciate service workers, and 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:45.599 I realize how essential food is, and I appreciate farmers, 0:05:45.640 --> 0:05:49.760 and like, I realize how much my friends mean to me, 0:05:49.839 --> 0:05:53.479 and so I'm gonna visit them in person, and like, 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:57.000 I don't know, I do feel like maybe I'm just 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:59.520 saying that because that's how I'm reacting. I'm just like 0:05:59.560 --> 0:06:03.479 realizing everything that I need to be actively grateful for 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:08.720 like way more often. And I think, like being cut 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:11.120 off from embodiment, I've been saying this word a lot, 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:12.880 and it sounds like one of those words that you 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:18.080 learn in yoga and or therapy, but like, I don't know, 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:21.640 I've I've had friends that have lost like family members 0:06:21.720 --> 0:06:26.400 to COVID into other things through this year, and they 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:29.920 haven't been able to embody their grief. And I mean 0:06:29.960 --> 0:06:33.839 there's a reason why for ages, and like in every culture, 0:06:34.000 --> 0:06:37.440 we've figured out ceremonies for those sorts of things. So 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:41.080 being cut off from ceremony and embodiment, it just shows 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:44.919 like how important that type of process is. And so 0:06:45.080 --> 0:06:49.800 like embodying that grief and also embodying joy are like 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:53.960 on my top of to do list, And I'm not 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:58.920 going to be content with like conceptual things as much. 0:06:59.000 --> 0:07:00.599 I think. I think I'm really going to try to 0:07:00.640 --> 0:07:04.160 be like seeking out the physicality of life. 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:08.120 What mixture of sort of cathartic energy do you think 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:10.720 will come out from some of the first shows you'll 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:13.360 either play or witness then after that, because what you've 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:16.360 just described is this sort of like this release of 0:07:17.600 --> 0:07:21.800 emotions that and experiences that people have gone through, and 0:07:21.800 --> 0:07:25.400 the music is an amazing, amazing medium for sort of 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:29.800 channeling that, escaping that sharing that, whatever it might be. 0:07:30.280 --> 0:07:33.080 So I just I've just got this picture of a 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:35.560 of a big crowd and everybody's just having their sort 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:40.080 of own post pandemic moment with whatever the experiences they've 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:42.720 just gone through. Can you sort of foresee that. 0:07:42.920 --> 0:07:44.800 I will be so surprised if I don't cry like 0:07:44.880 --> 0:07:47.800 every night, and I will be so surprised if it's 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:50.800 not just tears and tears and tears. But I mean, 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:53.640 I'm still crossing my fingers and knocking on wood that 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:58.160 shows can happen in general. Just we announced a tour 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:03.040 and it felt unreal. It felt like just a weird dream. 0:08:03.520 --> 0:08:06.120 But I don't know. Again, I feel kind of optimistic 0:08:06.720 --> 0:08:09.960 that they'll actually happen, but we're going to cancel them 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:13.560 so fast if we don't feel safe. And I would 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:16.240 never want to put like fans in danger or give 0:08:16.280 --> 0:08:20.440 the option to fans to put themselves in danger. I mean, 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:22.320 I'm going to be crying when I go to shows, 0:08:22.560 --> 0:08:25.480 and like my friends that are having shows like imagining 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:29.840 just like singing along to them, like I don't know, 0:08:29.880 --> 0:08:32.920 I I'll get emotional just like thinking about Yeah. 0:08:33.000 --> 0:08:35.439 Absolutely, I think yeah. I think we all feel the same. 0:08:35.800 --> 0:08:38.840 We've all been sort of dreaming of like our first 0:08:39.440 --> 0:08:44.200 first post lockdown restaurant visit, or our first post lockdown 0:08:44.400 --> 0:08:46.679 gig or meet up or whatever. If if you had 0:08:46.679 --> 0:08:49.880 to be sort of in a room watching a musician play, 0:08:50.000 --> 0:08:53.559 like who would basically be your dream first gig? Back? 0:08:53.679 --> 0:08:55.320 Do you think El City sound System? 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:58.560 Wow, you've gone for the heavy vibes. That's like on 0:08:58.640 --> 0:09:01.199 a good day, that's like ghost. 0:09:02.160 --> 0:09:05.040 I know, yeah, I uh, you know. I hadn't thought 0:09:05.040 --> 0:09:07.080 about that, but you asked the question and I knew 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:09.520 the answer just because like I've I don't know if 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:12.800 I've ever been happier at a show than at an 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:15.800 LCD sound System show, especially like a festival show at 0:09:15.840 --> 0:09:18.040 the back where there's like room and you can kind 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:20.280 of like flail around. I feel like some of my 0:09:20.360 --> 0:09:24.320 best memories have been I've seen them three times, and 0:09:24.360 --> 0:09:27.920 all three times I felt like high. I felt like 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:30.680 just serotonin overload. 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:34.559 There was about I don't know what the tool I mean. 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:36.760 I'm sort of reaching back into a bit of hazy 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:39.040 memory here, But when they were on tour once they 0:09:39.120 --> 0:09:41.760 come back together, maybe it was about five years ago. 0:09:42.040 --> 0:09:44.480 When they first came back and started playing those festival shows, 0:09:44.920 --> 0:09:49.360 the set list was just unreal. I just remember staring 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:52.440 at it like afterwards, like having experienced it and just 0:09:52.480 --> 0:09:55.439 being as like I was a completely on the same 0:09:55.480 --> 0:09:58.600 page with you, like feeling completely just high on what 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:00.760 I just witnessed and just like just looking at it 0:10:00.720 --> 0:10:04.480 and just going that was like the most perfectly like 0:10:04.559 --> 0:10:07.400 programmed DJ set, but from one artist it was like 0:10:07.760 --> 0:10:10.520 it was like this is just perfection. It was amazing. 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:15.480 Yeah, you feel lucky or I feel lucky togongolose shows. 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:17.719 Yeah, let's all hope we can get back and witness that. 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:20.120 Have an LCD sound system moment in the not too 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:24.280 distant future, What happened? When? Where did you go when 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:26.880 when everything lockdown? And what did you have to do 0:10:26.960 --> 0:10:29.320 to kind of in that in that moment? 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:32.600 Well, I had been living in Richmond, Virginia, and then 0:10:32.679 --> 0:10:36.400 like two months before lockdown, I moved to Philly and 0:10:37.280 --> 0:10:39.520 I had never lived anywhere else, and I just wanted 0:10:39.520 --> 0:10:41.520 to see if I could, and I planned on splitting 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:45.120 time because I like to be around my family in Richmond. 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:47.640 But then lockdown happened and I stayed in Philly, and 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:50.439 it kind of forced me to have like a separation 0:10:50.559 --> 0:10:53.600 from Richmond that I didn't even intend and was honestly 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:56.800 pretty painful and gave me a little bit of an 0:10:56.800 --> 0:11:00.720 identity crisis, which is probably good for me to to 0:11:00.760 --> 0:11:03.559 realize how much of my identity was wrapped up in 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:08.120 my hometown. And I kind of like fast tracked my 0:11:08.240 --> 0:11:10.760 actual goal of like kind of figuring out who I 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:15.720 am unconnected to a place, or just like knowing that 0:11:15.800 --> 0:11:18.960 it was possible to build a new life, and it 0:11:19.000 --> 0:11:21.920 was really rewarding. And I love Philly and I'm still there. 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:24.680 I didn't like really tell anybody that I moved for 0:11:24.679 --> 0:11:27.400 a really long time, and nobody was really asking to 0:11:27.440 --> 0:11:30.920 hang out because you couldn't hang out anyways. But yeah, 0:11:31.000 --> 0:11:34.840 I live with like seven friends in Philly and like 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:39.760 a big house, and it made quarantine look much easier 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:42.360 just having like people milling about all the time, or 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:44.960 like even within seven people, you can have subgroups of 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:48.760 three and you know, the we all have our separate rooms, 0:11:48.760 --> 0:11:49.960 so you can be like, oh, I haven't seen you 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:54.320 in a while, you know, since yesterday dinner time, and 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:59.959 we we've been watching like crap TV and good tea 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:06.800 and movies and cooking, and so my scenario was really lucky. Also, 0:12:06.840 --> 0:12:09.240 I feel close enough to everyone that we can just 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:12.960 talk about having depression. I think maybe all of us 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:15.720 have depression and have been able to be like a 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:19.679 support system for each other. And it's absurd, like how 0:12:19.720 --> 0:12:23.440 much delayed grief. I've already talked about grief in this podcast. 0:12:23.520 --> 0:12:26.600 I should get off that topic, but you know, it's 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:33.840 it's meaningful to be around people through grief, and like 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:36.280 some days we're worse for one of us than others, 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:40.760 and just having other people connected to their lives can 0:12:40.800 --> 0:12:43.920 remind me to connect back to mine when I'm like dissociating. 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:46.280 So yeah, I don't know kind of a long answer 0:12:46.320 --> 0:12:48.640 to your question, but I I think I've enjoyed it. 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:50.959 I think it's really interesting that people have effectively had 0:12:51.000 --> 0:12:54.000 to I don't know if this is even an expression, 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:56.640 but like having like COVID families, like we all went 0:12:56.679 --> 0:13:00.959 into quarantine, into lockdown, depending on what circumstance people were 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:04.120 in that moment. I mean, you know, you potentially didn't 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:06.800 know these people like that, well if you'd moved there 0:13:06.840 --> 0:13:08.440 a couple of months before, like it was still in 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:12.800 early stages. But it was like, Okay, this situation is happening. 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:15.800 We all got a kind of band together because we're 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:18.720 going to have to get through this. Like I mean 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:20.720 maybe perhaps in years and years to come that you'll 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:22.000 reflect on that and she'd be like, wow, that was 0:13:22.080 --> 0:13:26.160 quite an extraordinary moment of seven people who were thrown 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:29.080 together for this period and I mean hopefully he'll still 0:13:29.080 --> 0:13:32.160 be friends long into the future. But and that happened 0:13:32.160 --> 0:13:34.839 the world over, but people being you know, depending on 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:38.640 what circumstance they're in, and it's yeah, quite quite fascinating, 0:13:38.640 --> 0:13:40.920 almost some kind of social experiment. I'm glad that you 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:45.000 all found the situation was positive for you because obviously, 0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:46.880 you know, yeah, it wasn't for everybody. 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:50.440 So you found each other. Yeah, we call each other cousins. 0:13:50.480 --> 0:13:50.960 Oh okay. 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:52.680 I feel like when you're with a group of people 0:13:52.720 --> 0:13:55.280 for a long enough amount of time, you just have 0:13:55.480 --> 0:14:01.800 like weird, like twice big jokes names for each other 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:04.800 and we're like, yeah, we're close enough now that we're 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:08.680 just actually cousins. It's so stupid saying it out loud 0:14:09.559 --> 0:14:09.880 at all. 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:11.160 I was going to ask you about some of your 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:14.040 TV watching stuff, because I'd seen something that you tweeted 0:14:14.200 --> 0:14:17.520 a while back saying that you presume this was something 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:19.920 you did with your house, your your roommates, and that 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.640 was that you did pilot season where you watched all 0:14:22.640 --> 0:14:25.880 the pilot episodes of nine different series and then ranked 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:28.360 them in order to decide which new series you were 0:14:28.360 --> 0:14:33.680 going to watch together. Yell, what on reflection, which shows 0:14:33.720 --> 0:14:36.800 were as good as you thought they were, and which 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:39.000 which ones were like, oh this is this is much 0:14:39.080 --> 0:14:41.960 worse than I remember. And what was the eventual winner. 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:45.880 There were a couple of top runners, and they were 0:14:46.680 --> 0:14:50.760 Desperate Housewives, which is what we actually chose. It's totally 0:14:50.840 --> 0:14:56.880 unhinged Friday Night Lights, which was really good. I like, 0:14:57.480 --> 0:14:59.320 you know, I don't watch football. I think that, like 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:02.360 the football and industry is kind of evil, and you know, 0:15:02.480 --> 0:15:06.560 I think sports are cool, but yeah, I'm not not 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:12.840 into football and American football aws it were. I actually 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:19.480 love soccer slash football, but yeah, it's just super well made. 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:22.280 The pilot was so engaging and like well shot, and 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:24.120 the script was really good. It seemed like the acting 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:27.040 was really good. We're definitely gonna watch that probably next. 0:15:27.760 --> 0:15:31.240 We were all interested in the OC, even though who 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:34.040 knows how much of that show has aged well. One 0:15:34.040 --> 0:15:37.600 of the shows that was so bad was One Tree Hill. 0:15:37.760 --> 0:15:38.920 I don't know if you ever watched that. 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:43.920 Show, but one like it. This is a similar area. 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:48.680 Yeah, if you fed the entire script of the OC 0:15:49.040 --> 0:15:53.680 into like a like AI generator and wanted a different show, 0:15:54.080 --> 0:15:56.640 it like spits out One Tree Hill and you have 0:15:56.720 --> 0:16:00.080 to like squint to try to understand what's going on, 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:03.200 and maybe post the pilot it made more sense, but 0:16:03.800 --> 0:16:06.200 minutes would pass and I'd be like, wait, nobody said 0:16:06.720 --> 0:16:10.640 anything that made sense. All it is is like people 0:16:10.640 --> 0:16:15.640 glaring at each other, and like these different tropes popping 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:17.840 up like it. It just didn't. It was of no 0:16:17.960 --> 0:16:21.360 interest to any of us. And then there were some 0:16:21.440 --> 0:16:25.640 like middle ground ones like Buffy Vampire Slayer I love 0:16:25.680 --> 0:16:33.240 and have already seen, but it honestly looks so tacky now, 0:16:33.520 --> 0:16:36.240 like it like all of the costuming and the delivery, 0:16:36.280 --> 0:16:38.960 it's like really campy, and I love campy stuff. But 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:44.840 the whole house wasn't wasn't a wasn't into it. What 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:48.440 else there was some Oh, we watched Vampire Diaries. That 0:16:48.600 --> 0:16:53.680 was we'd watched all of the Twilight movies. Quarantine and 0:16:53.960 --> 0:17:01.560 that was a tripod hilarious trip The third movie, like 0:17:01.680 --> 0:17:05.320 Breaking Down Part one, is one of the most ridiculous 0:17:05.400 --> 0:17:09.879 movies I've ever seen. Like we were just like gouffawing 0:17:09.960 --> 0:17:12.720 the whole time. There's like the scene where Kristen Stewart's 0:17:12.760 --> 0:17:15.959 like has to drink blood. She's like sipping it out 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:19.000 of like a milkshake container and she's like it tastes good. 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:22.560 We really go, oh my god. And they had like 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:26.200 the baby that she has is cgi like why didn't 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:29.280 they get a regular baby? Like they could have simply 0:17:29.400 --> 0:17:33.040 gotten an actual baby like every other movie. There wasn't 0:17:33.080 --> 0:17:37.240 anything special about that baby. The baby didn't do anything 0:17:37.320 --> 0:17:41.960 like magical, it didn't like it made no sense. Also 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:46.280 the fact that like Jacob the werewolf imprints on the baby, 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:50.800 like that's just like untouchably weird. Like that's like, don't 0:17:50.840 --> 0:17:55.320 put that in front of me. But it was fun. 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:56.960 In a couple of years, I'd probably do it. Again, 0:17:57.000 --> 0:18:01.760 I'd probably watch all of them because it's like it's 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:05.000 so committed to what it's doing, you know, And I 0:18:05.080 --> 0:18:08.439 think that's part of the magic of trash TV is 0:18:08.480 --> 0:18:12.800 that it only comes across because everyone is so invested 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:17.080 in making it happen, even if the idea at its 0:18:17.200 --> 0:18:19.040 core is stupid. 0:18:21.160 --> 0:18:24.720 Yeah, because Twilight was like a cultural phenomenon, wasn't it. 0:18:24.800 --> 0:18:28.080 I Mean I just remember people being obsessed with one 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:31.160 of those sort of movie well obviously the books in 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:34.840 the movie franchise where people would be like sleeping out 0:18:34.880 --> 0:18:37.080 on the street the night before it came out in 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:39.960 the cinemas and stuff like that. I can't really remember 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:43.080 the last time that happened apart from that, Like the 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:46.880 Hunger Games. Was that similar sort of level of fandom, 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:47.960 I don't know, but. 0:18:48.040 --> 0:18:55.000 Like, yeah, we also watched that. It Actually it's even better, 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:58.400 I think. But it's a little confusing because I think 0:18:58.440 --> 0:19:02.160 that it's like a confirmation bias type of movie, where 0:19:02.200 --> 0:19:04.440 like if you go in hating the government, you come 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:07.080 out hating the government, and if you go in loving 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:10.480 the government, you come out loving the government. Like you 0:19:10.520 --> 0:19:14.440 can read into the Resistance as like, you know, being 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:20.360 anti imperialist or anti colonial or you know, against classism, 0:19:20.480 --> 0:19:25.960 or you can go in being like hating neoliberal reign 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:28.480 or like thinking that the movie is like the logical 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:32.920 conclusion of neoliberal politics, which honestly isn't super off base. 0:19:33.040 --> 0:19:35.720 But I don't know if it. I couldn't tell what 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:37.960 the lesson was supposed to be. And I feel like 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:42.760 maybe it was intentionally made to please anybody, because it's 0:19:42.760 --> 0:19:47.840 a it's so political, and yet there's not a clear distinction. 0:19:48.600 --> 0:19:51.359 That's interesting, like kind of just like a mirror to 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:59.520 your own existing beliefs. Yeah, I wanted to ask a 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:04.439 little bit of obviously the new album home video, I 0:20:04.480 --> 0:20:07.639 wanted to ask in a very kind of yeah, I 0:20:07.680 --> 0:20:10.200 suppose in a very kind of literal sense talking about 0:20:10.240 --> 0:20:13.239 kind of home video and just like that as a 0:20:13.240 --> 0:20:16.040 thing like home videos and like growing up and that 0:20:16.119 --> 0:20:19.560 in respect to our childhoods and like nostalgic memories and 0:20:19.600 --> 0:20:22.360 things like that. There's basically one video of me when 0:20:22.359 --> 0:20:25.600 I was really little, which is which is a classic 0:20:25.720 --> 0:20:30.040 like VHS home video filmed by my uncle one Christmas. 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:33.040 It's just me and my brother singing Christmas carols really badly. 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:36.879 The whole thing lasts about about nine minutes. It's been 0:20:36.920 --> 0:20:40.280 shown every single Christmas for more than thirty years now, 0:20:40.680 --> 0:20:44.280 and it's the one item that my mum would save 0:20:44.400 --> 0:20:47.040 from a if the house was burning down. That's the 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:49.560 thing that my mum would go for, this VHS tape. 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:52.680 But wow, and it's thoroughly embarrassing, and my mum's shown 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:54.600 it to a lot of different people and she's very 0:20:54.640 --> 0:20:57.359 proud of it. But yeah, I wondered if you've got 0:20:57.440 --> 0:21:00.280 lots of is there like lots of crackly kind of 0:21:00.320 --> 0:21:02.560 like footage of you when you when you were little, 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:06.280 that anything that you always gets that that comes back to. 0:21:06.520 --> 0:21:10.400 There are hours and hours and hours of videos of 0:21:10.480 --> 0:21:13.840 me because my parents got their video camera when I 0:21:13.920 --> 0:21:17.159 was born, and so you know, they're learning how to 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:19.320 use the camera and I'm their subject. You know, Like 0:21:19.359 --> 0:21:23.200 there's videos of me just sleeping and they're like zooming in, focusing, 0:21:23.320 --> 0:21:29.160 zooming out, Lucy sleeping and they say exactly. They'll be like, yeah, 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:33.359 she's sleeping, She's still sleeping, And if I move a 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:37.000 little bit, they're like, what's she doing. There's tons of 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:39.720 videos like that. We use some of them for the 0:21:40.040 --> 0:21:42.800 music video for Hot and heavy that came out just 0:21:42.800 --> 0:21:47.080 because that source material, which I to try and put 0:21:47.119 --> 0:21:51.439 it into perspective physically, Like I think if you lined 0:21:51.560 --> 0:21:54.919 up all of the videos, it would maybe be like 0:21:55.160 --> 0:22:01.480 thirty feet of videos. Like it's so many, and you know, 0:22:01.560 --> 0:22:04.880 like it tapered off towards the end. It went from 0:22:04.880 --> 0:22:07.280 like the big vhs is to like the smaller ones 0:22:07.280 --> 0:22:11.520 like camcorder and then you know, smartphones towards my high 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:14.960 school age, so we don't have any more on the 0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:17.920 actual VHS. I was going to say, you should digitize 0:22:18.600 --> 0:22:22.520 that video of you because when you play them, they 0:22:23.119 --> 0:22:28.200 tape degrades over time, so it can you know. 0:22:28.400 --> 0:22:32.720 Just we need to eventually, yeah, digitize it, make sure 0:22:32.720 --> 0:22:35.119 it doesn't get lost, because yeah, my mum would be heartbroken, 0:22:35.560 --> 0:22:37.760 but I would be delight on the On the flip side, 0:22:37.760 --> 0:22:40.280 I was absolutely thrilled. If it was just consigned to 0:22:40.440 --> 0:22:41.560 history's dustbin. 0:22:41.880 --> 0:22:44.280 Oh my gosh. Maybe you just don't you just don't 0:22:44.320 --> 0:22:50.080 deal with that. But I like using that stuff because 0:22:50.080 --> 0:22:52.359 it feels like a thank you to my my dad 0:22:52.680 --> 0:22:56.480 for making all those videos. And you know, I guess 0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:58.880 he was making them so that they could be watched 0:22:59.000 --> 0:23:02.119 in the future. But but I don't know if he 0:23:02.240 --> 0:23:06.199 really realized that he was like building my childhood for me. 0:23:06.400 --> 0:23:08.040 You know, like sometimes I don't know if I have 0:23:08.080 --> 0:23:11.879