Speaker 1: Hey, everyone, welcome back to the Batter Happy Hour.
Speaker 2: I'm Joe and I'm Serena, and.
Speaker 1: We are back today with another episode. We are going
Speaker 1: to have Leslie on the podcast, but before we do,
Speaker 1: we're going to do a little five minute recap because
Speaker 1: they've changed the show a little bit midway, which we
Speaker 1: kind of knew was coming. We didn't know five hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars was going to be on the table, but
Speaker 1: now that it is, let's talk about it.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about it. We haven't been doing our recaps
Speaker 2: because there's been so many contestants to talk about via interviews,
Speaker 2: and we hope you guys have been loving that. But
Speaker 2: we want to share some of our thoughts on what's
Speaker 2: been going on this season, and we feel like with
Speaker 2: the introduction of the game component, this is a perfect
Speaker 2: time to do so. So, Joe, what do you think?
Speaker 1: I enjoy it? I mean, I love the idea of
Speaker 1: adding the money element into the show because now we
Speaker 1: get to see like who's really into each other and
Speaker 1: who is somewhat full of shift Because when it comes
Speaker 1: down to it, I'm assuming I don't know, but I
Speaker 1: would assume there's gonna be an element where it's like
Speaker 1: either you're gonna choose the person or you're gonna choose
Speaker 1: the money. That's where my head's at. And now like
Speaker 1: it's almost like we're getting now they really have to
Speaker 1: like real time solve problems and like work together because
Speaker 1: they both like five hundred grand's a lot of money.
Speaker 1: If it was like whatever, if it was, I mean,
Speaker 1: that's a lot of money to win.
Speaker 2: That's life changing money. It's not like it's you know,
Speaker 2: five k not that that's not you know, significant, but
Speaker 2: it's not five hundred thousand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: I mean, like it's not gonna make me, you know,
Speaker 2: question love or money if it's five thousand, Like I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go for love. But like I think five thousand dollars,
Speaker 2: five hundred thousand dollars can really you know, make some
Speaker 2: people sit and think what they really want to do.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because it comes in the play of like
Speaker 1: five hundred thousand is life changing for most people except
Speaker 1: for Kim, who don't give a fuck, which was awesome.
Speaker 2: Kim was like, I don't care about the money.
Speaker 3: I'm literally just here to find love.
Speaker 1: For most people, it is so when it comes down
Speaker 1: to it, you know, I think you may have to,
Speaker 1: Like you're gonna sit there and think like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: i've known this person for two and a half weeks,
Speaker 1: three weeks? Will they flip on me for the money?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Should I be flipping on them?
Speaker 3: From them?
Speaker 1: But we don't know if it's gonna get that.
Speaker 3: We don't.
Speaker 2: We're just speculating right now. Obviously it's teams of two,
Speaker 2: So if one couple wins, does that mean that they
Speaker 2: split the money? Does that mean that they compete against
Speaker 2: each other? Does that mean one of them gets it?
Speaker 2: So there's definitely still some unknowns at play here with
Speaker 2: this new format. I feel like when the season started
Speaker 2: with so many changes, it felt a little bit overwhelming,
Speaker 2: And now a few episodes in, there's obviously a few
Speaker 2: things I missed just because I'm nostalgic and sentimental from
Speaker 2: being on the original Paradise, But there's a lot that
Speaker 2: I really like about it and I'm enjoying and things
Speaker 2: that I'm glad they changed. So I feel like with
Speaker 2: this first episode with the money and the competition element,
Speaker 2: I'm still kind of settling in to the new format
Speaker 2: I feel like and developing an opinion on it. But
Speaker 2: I will say I really liked this first game. I
Speaker 2: thought it was kind of the perfect balance of light
Speaker 2: and fun but also still very telling and revealing and
Speaker 2: putting these couples to the test. Like that's what I
Speaker 2: want the games to do, Like I want to stir
Speaker 2: up a little I don't know, like drama about the couples.
Speaker 2: And we see that with Parisa and Brian right away,
Speaker 2: like it's not going well and they're basically like, are
Speaker 2: we not a good couple? And it's fun because it's
Speaker 2: in line with the fact that they've been having a
Speaker 2: lot of arguments throughout the show.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they seem to have a lot of issues. Pretty
Speaker 1: early on, we do see Jeremy takes a big bet,
Speaker 1: which I enjoyed watching, Like that was fun.
Speaker 2: That was shocking to me. I was so stressed watching that,
Speaker 2: but I mean it paid off, so I have to
Speaker 2: respect it.
Speaker 1: I wonder if he knew. I wonder if they knew,
Speaker 1: and I don't think they did.
Speaker 2: His interview made it seem like he had no idea.
Speaker 1: But then Bailey's that's that's not where I was going.
Speaker 1: You know, No, I don't know obviously talking so how
Speaker 1: would you know?
Speaker 3: Sorry?
Speaker 1: Proceeed, Okay, Uh. My point was, I don't I wonder
Speaker 1: if they knew that they were going to have the
Speaker 1: power to eliminate someone before.
Speaker 2: I don't believe they did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think so either. So that's in so
Speaker 1: that makes it even a bigger risk. Like I could
Speaker 1: What I'm saying is I could see taking that risk
Speaker 1: knowing that you're going to get the power, But taking
Speaker 1: that risk solely for a date or potentially going home
Speaker 1: is a pretty big risk.
Speaker 2: Yes, And I think that the best position in those games,
Speaker 2: in my opinion at this point is like Dale and
Speaker 2: Kat where they came in second, so they're safe, right,
Speaker 2: Like they're in the top three, they don't get the date,
Speaker 2: but like they're high, they're safe.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So but also it's.
Speaker 2: Like, hey, if you want the date, sure, obviously the
Speaker 2: date's great, but then you're also in the position to
Speaker 2: have to send someone home and you're not really flying
Speaker 2: under the radar once you do that. I mean, Jeremy
Speaker 2: was living for it. He was like, give me all
Speaker 2: the power. I love that I could to send someone home.
Speaker 2: But like someone like Mail, someone like Bailey might have
Speaker 2: been like, I'm good to just be safe. I don't
Speaker 2: want that kind of responsibility, Like that's way too hard
Speaker 2: to do it. So I'm curious to see how that
Speaker 2: element of winning the challenges impacts the games moving forward.
Speaker 1: You're you actually make a good point, because I didn't
Speaker 1: think about like flying under the radar, and like Jeremy
Speaker 1: is clearly not going to be flying under the radar
Speaker 1: now because he was very vocal about like well in
Speaker 1: his interviews about like having the power and but like
Speaker 1: if it gets flipped now and he's in the bottom three,
Speaker 1: like I would vote, I would most likely be voting
Speaker 1: them out like I would be.
Speaker 2: I would be because they're a threat. You know that
Speaker 2: they're good at the competitions, They've won one.
Speaker 1: I would be trying to vot out like I think
Speaker 1: they probably should have voted out Brian and Parsa.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would love to know more insight into why
Speaker 2: and how they made that decision, just because I don't
Speaker 2: feel like it was clear to me.
Speaker 1: Well it's yeah, and now it's it is now a
Speaker 1: game and I'm not keeping people because they have a
Speaker 1: strong connection. I'm like, I'm trying to win five hundred
Speaker 1: thousand now, Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sending people home that I think can beat me. Yeah, respectfully.
Speaker 2: I mean everyone's coupled up, so it's kind of an
Speaker 2: even playing field. It seems like, yes, a couple of
Speaker 2: the relationships are stronger than others, but like, no one's
Speaker 2: flying single. I mean, if Jonathan and Leah they're the
Speaker 2: only people that are coupled up that aren't a couple,
Speaker 2: I'm probably keeping them because I'm like, you're probably not
Speaker 2: going to do that great at these challenges because you're
Speaker 2: not actually romantically involved. But then on the flip, they're
Speaker 2: just friends, so maybe they'll work better together than like
Speaker 2: a Paris and Brian, who are having issues in the
Speaker 2: world relationship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I would probably actually be more scared
Speaker 1: of two that are just friends because if they could
Speaker 1: get on the same page and really work.
Speaker 2: Together, Yeah, they can just be partners without any romantic
Speaker 2: issues involved.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get it in especially because it's like the
Speaker 1: beginning of relationship. You're learning about somebody, you could really
Speaker 1: start getting annoyed with that person, where if you're just friends,
Speaker 1: you guys are basically co workers trying to win some money.
Speaker 1: Last thing we'll talk about before we let leslie in, Gary,
Speaker 1: like like talk about just fumbling the bag.
Speaker 2: Well and they went home because of it. I know,
Speaker 2: had he just bet one chip or two chips, he
Speaker 2: would have stayed safe in the top three and they'd
Speaker 2: still be there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I can't really, I don't really understand what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like I get when you make them, I get like
Speaker 1: people make mistakes.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was obviously a genuine mistake.
Speaker 3: He did not.
Speaker 2: I think he was trying to make it dramatic and
Speaker 2: be like ooh, like I'm he like splits his stack
Speaker 2: and he's contemplay. You can see everyone being like, dude,
Speaker 2: what are you doing? Like, I just don't think it
Speaker 2: was clicking in his mind. What he was doing did
Speaker 2: not make sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean it made zero sense. And I
Speaker 1: just think, Yeah, I think Gary like likes the dramatics,
Speaker 1: the dramatics and being on TV and like watching He
Speaker 1: probably watched Jeremy make a big bet. He's like, ooh,
Speaker 1: I wanna I want to spice things up, and it's like, no, yeah.
Speaker 2: There's some moments TV, Gary, this was not one of them.
Speaker 2: Just throw your single chip down and call it today.
Speaker 1: I'm curious. I'm curious if Leslie was able to We'll
Speaker 1: ask her when she comes on the episode. Right now,
Speaker 1: if she was able to voice her opinion when he
Speaker 1: was doing that, or was she supposed to stay quiet
Speaker 1: in the back, because like, I feel like me and
Speaker 1: you right, like if it was if it was if
Speaker 1: it was me doing that, you would be like, Joe,
Speaker 1: just bat one, chip, what the fuck are you doing?
Speaker 1: And then maybe it would click like oh yeah.
Speaker 2: But I feel like they can't because if she's saying
Speaker 2: just bet one ship, it's essentially saying you don't know
Speaker 2: the answer and you're probably gonna get it wrong.
Speaker 1: She probably can't. Yeah, she probably can't.
Speaker 2: I'm curious to know if Gary and Leslie are still
Speaker 2: talking to one another, if anything has happened post Paradise
Speaker 2: for them, and if she blames Gary for them being
Speaker 2: sent home and why she thinks they were sent home.
Speaker 1: Well, she definitely blames him for me sent home. She
Speaker 1: said to me, it's his fault. And she said in
Speaker 1: an interview, She's like, everyone makes mistakes, so I can't
Speaker 1: be mad at him, but this was a big mistake. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it kind of was.
Speaker 2: I do feel a little bad for Gary because that
Speaker 2: would just really weigh on me and I would feel
Speaker 2: really guilty and just kind of silly.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel I feel bad for Gary in a
Speaker 1: sense of he probably feels really bad that he let
Speaker 1: another person down on accident, like he made a mistake.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's not just him that suffers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, partner too. Yeah, Which that's a hard pill the swallow.
Speaker 2: Yes, but adds a really good layer to the competition
Speaker 2: element of this show.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Great, loved it, entertaining. Great job Gary. Okay, let's let
Speaker 1: should we let Leslie in? Yeah, let's do it, all right, Leslie.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Batter Happy Hour. How are you?
Speaker 3: I'm good?
Speaker 1: How are you good? Good? Welcome back. You've been on
Speaker 1: the show multiple times. Unfortunately you got to eliminate it.
Speaker 1: Not really not really your fault, but we will. We
Speaker 1: will definitely talk about that. Yeah, let's go to the
Speaker 1: beginning though. How did it feel when you first got
Speaker 1: out to Paradise, you know, it's a new, new format,
Speaker 1: new location. Where you regretting it at all? Or were
Speaker 1: you happy to be there?
Speaker 3: Oh? I never regretted a minute of it. I was
Speaker 3: so excited. You know, they took us all on that boat.
Speaker 3: That animal ran was our entrance. I actually didn't know
Speaker 3: they just took us and I was like, is this
Speaker 3: another photo shoot? What are we doing? I didn't even know.
Speaker 3: I'm like, we're going now. In fact, I missed the
Speaker 3: memo that I was supposed to be all packed up,
Speaker 3: and they come get me and they're like, you're not packed.
Speaker 3: I said, well, why do I need to be packed?
Speaker 3: I literally thought we were doing another photo shoot. I
Speaker 3: didn't know what was going on. But then all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, we're on this boat and we're having so
Speaker 3: much fun. And I had not met the guys before,
Speaker 3: so that was kind of fun to meet them. And yeah,
Speaker 3: and then we walked into Paradise and all these I
Speaker 3: always called the young ins, but they were sitting around
Speaker 3: and they were so excited to see us. I don't
Speaker 3: think they were pretending, especially the girls. They were very excited.
Speaker 3: And immediately we felt like this bond. So it was amazing.
Speaker 1: That's good, That's yeah. I mean it looked like a
Speaker 1: lot of fun.
Speaker 2: How did you feel about coming in a few days
Speaker 2: later than the original cast?
Speaker 3: Well, I was okay, So, like I kind of knew
Speaker 3: who was going to be there prior to going on.
Speaker 3: Of course, you hear this person's going, this person's going.
Speaker 3: So I walk in and I say, where's Susie, where's
Speaker 3: Eli Joe, where's Lexi? You know, and did they not
Speaker 3: come yet? And they're like they left last night And
Speaker 3: I was like what because I had you know, Susie
Speaker 3: I was on her podcast before and she's a doll.
Speaker 3: And Lexi we were had been dming ever since she
Speaker 3: was on her show and she's a doll and co
Speaker 3: wait to meet her. And then Ali Joe we were
Speaker 3: like going to work out on the beach together. We
Speaker 3: were like bringing bringing bands, I'm bringing balls, like we
Speaker 3: had this whole thing and I'm like, wait what They're gone.
Speaker 3: So that was a little shocking to me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how was the mood amongst the rest of the cast,
Speaker 1: because that was a pretty.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, you guys came here right after that dramatic
Speaker 2: rose ceremony with Susie and justin my mood was not good.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean we walk in it was like you could
Speaker 3: hear a pin drop, Like there's like we're walking and
Speaker 3: you kind of you know, we're walking around the path
Speaker 3: and there's no talking, there's no you know, music, there's
Speaker 3: no music not going, but like there's no energy and
Speaker 3: all of a sudden, they're just kind of sitting around
Speaker 3: the bar like this and we walk in They're like hi,
Speaker 3: So it was kind of fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys, But you guys probably really saved them
Speaker 1: because their energy was definitely low. I'm seeing so much
Speaker 1: on social media that the Goldens are like making paradise,
Speaker 1: like everybody is loves watching you guys. Yeah, how does
Speaker 1: that feel?
Speaker 3: It feels amazing. I mean, I guess maybe it stems
Speaker 3: from the fact that we just don't care, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know I'm speaking you know, for myself
Speaker 3: and maybe some of the others. I just don't care.
Speaker 3: I don't care what my hair looks like. I don't
Speaker 3: I don't care if I don't have any makeup on,
Speaker 3: I mean, or I don't care what we say or
Speaker 3: do or you know. I guess we just don't care
Speaker 3: as much. And maybe that's why because we come off
Speaker 3: pretty authentic and nothing's really forced. And if I roll
Speaker 3: my eyes as something, it doesn't mean I'm mad at something,
Speaker 3: you know, like I have, but you know, it's just
Speaker 3: my facial expressions. But I just, you know, I get
Speaker 3: where they're coming from. I mean, you know, they definitely
Speaker 3: I always say, it's their show, and you know their cake.
Speaker 3: Maybe we were just the icing on it. That's how
Speaker 3: my mindset was, and so that's kind of my That
Speaker 3: was what I felt going into the show, and I
Speaker 3: stayed that way throughout.
Speaker 1: Is there anyone in the Golden cast that you think
Speaker 1: does care and when I meet care what I mean Kieren,
Speaker 1: like really care how they are portrayed?
Speaker 3: I think there are yes, Okay, absolutely, I just don't
Speaker 3: know why I don't care.
Speaker 1: So that's good.
Speaker 2: Going into Paradise, did you have any guys that you
Speaker 2: were interested in or any like sparks right off the
Speaker 2: bat when you got down there, Well.
Speaker 3: There was no sparks for me. With the guys that
Speaker 3: we met on the boat. They were like I could
Speaker 3: see that we're all going to be fast friends and
Speaker 3: you know, and I'll call them my friends.
Speaker 1: Now, do you think if Gary was on the boat
Speaker 1: you may have felt a certain way about him or
Speaker 1: do you think because he came down later and you
Speaker 1: didn't feel a spark between any of the other guys
Speaker 1: that created something that may or may not have been there?
Speaker 3: Good question. Well, I mean Gary and I met each
Speaker 3: other at Grant's finale because we were announce Yeah, so
Speaker 3: I had met him, but that was all. I didn't
Speaker 3: text him after we didn't we didn't communicate at all
Speaker 3: because you know, I just didn't want to do that.
Speaker 3: So I feel that out of all the guys, Gary
Speaker 3: and I definitely have a lot in common with our music,
Speaker 3: the way we kind of grew up in a musical family,
Speaker 3: all that stuff, and a little bit more in common
Speaker 3: with him than I did with the other guys. So
Speaker 3: I probably, I don't know. I think it's good that
Speaker 3: he came down a couple days later, to be honest,
Speaker 3: you know, got a time to settle in and not
Speaker 3: you know, realize that there for me, there was no
Speaker 3: sparks with anyone else.
Speaker 1: Got it?
Speaker 2: What was the vibe like when Gary did come down
Speaker 2: the next day? He comes in with a lot of energy,
Speaker 2: He makes an entrance, he has a day card. Was
Speaker 2: there a lot of women that were interested in going
Speaker 2: on that date?
Speaker 3: I think I know Natasha wanted to go on the date.
Speaker 3: I wanted to go on the date. I'm not sure
Speaker 3: about Kathy she was probably she was kind of more
Speaker 3: focused on Keith. So yeah, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know if April want I'm sure April want
Speaker 3: have turned it down, So that was you know, I
Speaker 3: guess it was really maybe more between Natasha and I.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's going on with Kathy and Keith? Well, let
Speaker 2: me ask a more specific question on the beach. As
Speaker 2: a viewer, right now, it looks like they started off
Speaker 2: with potentially a spark. They go to the VIP suite,
Speaker 2: and now it feels like maybe it's a little bit
Speaker 2: more of a friendship. When you left, where would you
Speaker 2: say they were at on the scale of just friends
Speaker 2: to madly in love?
Speaker 3: I think I think just friends right now when I left.
Speaker 3: The thing is, it's like you know, at our age,
Speaker 3: relationships come in different forms, and they definitely have a
Speaker 3: good relationship, whether they decide to make it romantic or not.
Speaker 3: I think, you know, they have a good friendship.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So let's let's talk about the rose ceremony.
Speaker 1: You go on a date with Gary. It goes well,
Speaker 1: you are going to give Gary your rose, at least
Speaker 1: that's how it appears as a viewer. Uh, And then
Speaker 1: Natasha gives Gary the rose, he accepts it. What is
Speaker 1: going through your mind in that moment?
Speaker 3: Who the hell am I going to pick? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And are you going are you upset at Gary
Speaker 1: for accepting Natasha's rose, Like, does Gary know that he's getty?
Speaker 1: Does Gary have a good idea that you're giving him
Speaker 1: his rose?
Speaker 3: I would think he did.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it seemed.
Speaker 3: I mean we had a great day. We I literally
Speaker 3: laughed our asses off. We had so much fun. Everything
Speaker 3: was just completely the way it looked. I mean it
Speaker 3: was raining, we kicked I kicked my shoes off. We
Speaker 3: were having so much fun. We had no awkwardness, no
Speaker 3: down time. I mean, we just had great time. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I would think he would think I was giving him
Speaker 3: my rose. I guess I didn't even think he shouldn't
Speaker 3: have accepted it. Well, now you have that, now I
Speaker 3: had not just kidding, I'm gonna have to call him up. No,
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, you know, you're in the
Speaker 3: you know how it is, you're in the moment. You
Speaker 3: don't it's just like you don't know. I didn't know
Speaker 3: that Natasha was going to be called first, so I
Speaker 3: didn't think outside of that, and I was really didn't
Speaker 3: know who to pick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were in a really tough and I mean
Speaker 2: in Gary's defense, because I'm trying to put myself in
Speaker 2: his shoes, because I would assume he's standing there thinking
Speaker 2: Leslie's gonna go up and I'm going to accept her rose.
Speaker 2: Maybe he was like, oh, maybe Leslie's gonna give her
Speaker 2: rose to someone else, Like maybe they've already talked and
Speaker 2: I'm missing something now. But yeah, so he accept Natasha's rose.
Speaker 2: How do you stand up there and make your decision?
Speaker 3: It was a hard one. I stood there thinking kind
Speaker 3: of knew some of the girls that were coming. Maybe
Speaker 3: I had an idea who was maybe joining Paradise, and
Speaker 3: I thought, well, maybe Kim would like this girl, or
Speaker 3: maybe this girl would like Kim. I was trying to
Speaker 3: like do max making as I'm standing there, because I
Speaker 3: was not interested in him like that at all. And
Speaker 3: you know, but that's where my mind was going.
Speaker 2: He seemed to me putting himself out there with you
Speaker 2: a little bit to test the waters. Did it feel
Speaker 2: flirtatious from him at all?
Speaker 3: Hmmm? I don't think So.
Speaker 1: That's a no. That is a for sure. Now, Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: So you and Gary Base, it seems like, you know,
Speaker 1: you guys kind of go back like after that rose ceremony,
Speaker 1: you guys go back to normal and Natasha doesn't really
Speaker 1: even seem to be in the picture with Gary romantically.
Speaker 1: Is that I feel like.
Speaker 2: She was still kind of putting herself out there. At
Speaker 2: breakfast the next morning, I.
Speaker 1: Think she was putting herself out there, but it just
Speaker 1: seemed like Gary went, you know, straight back to you.
Speaker 1: Is that is that correct?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Okay? And then you.
Speaker 3: Guys, did I did go up to him at breakfast.
Speaker 3: I don't think I said it in front of Natasha,
Speaker 3: did I did say? I just want you to know
Speaker 3: that if that had been called first, of course, I
Speaker 3: would have given you my rolls. And I actually, after
Speaker 3: Kim read me the poem, I said, Kim, I appreciate
Speaker 3: the poem so much, Just so you know. If I
Speaker 3: had been called first, I would have been Gary my Rose.
Speaker 3: But I chose you because I thought you added to
Speaker 3: our group. That's what I said. Okay, how did he
Speaker 3: take that? Fine? I thought? I mean, I think he
Speaker 3: was like, I understand, I understand. I totally get it.
Speaker 3: I totally get it. I just wanted to be honest.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to go there trying to play games
Speaker 3: and and make mom. Yeah, and plus it's I mean,
Speaker 3: it's hard when you're not chosen. Yeah, it's hard.
Speaker 2: So did you ever have a conversation with Natasha about
Speaker 2: this little love triangle that you were in with Gary? No, okay,
Speaker 2: she never came up to you and said, like, you know,
Speaker 2: I knew, I know that you were going to give
Speaker 2: him your rose, but I want to explore also.
Speaker 3: Well, I think we had talked about it a little
Speaker 3: bit because we didn't know who was going to go first.
Speaker 3: But I, first of all, I'm not going to tell
Speaker 3: Natasha who she can pick or who she can't pick.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to say since I went on a
Speaker 3: date with Gary, I'm giving him my rose because I
Speaker 3: felt I felt like it was still early on and
Speaker 3: I didn't want her to, I don't know, explore her
Speaker 3: journey with him, and I just you know, Natasha and
Speaker 3: I were a little bit contentious in the house and
Speaker 3: Golden Bachelor, just a teeny bit, and we did have
Speaker 3: some a great conversation in Paradise. I really respected her
Speaker 3: and got to know her story and had a new
Speaker 3: really a new found love for her, and so I
Speaker 3: definitely didn't want to It's her journey too, who she's there,
Speaker 3: and I didn't want to step on her toes and
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fair. Again, it's kind of like, you know
Speaker 1: what it's it's Gary's a big boys. It's on him
Speaker 1: to make, uh make that decision?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then we see Gary. Gary's the guy down there,
Speaker 1: you know he now now Nancy's down and him and her,
Speaker 1: Gary go on a date and they have an outer
Speaker 1: body experience on chocolate, which I.
Speaker 3: Don't know il nightly. You know, I have dark chocolate whatever,
Speaker 3: and I don't get high from it, but maybe there's
Speaker 3: something in there.
Speaker 1: I don't know, So Gary like, well, we we actually
Speaker 1: interviewed Gary a while back, and I remember him saying
Speaker 1: that he was really interested in Nancy, or like or
Speaker 1: being interested in Nancy. You know, the viewers end up
Speaker 1: seeing like he picks you. How so, like, where was
Speaker 1: your head at after the Nancy date and how did
Speaker 1: that go down?
Speaker 3: Well, Nancy made it clear to everybody, like she she
Speaker 3: announced before she went on the date, to us all
Speaker 3: that were sitting there. I just want you to know
Speaker 3: that Gary and I have been talking a lot, and
Speaker 3: you know, we we have a history. So that's why
Speaker 3: I picked him. And I'm like, okay, I mean, you
Speaker 3: can pick.
Speaker 2: Wherever you want, you know, like before the show they
Speaker 2: were talking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess so maybe maybe more dming or texting.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but she'd said we have a history.
Speaker 3: So I was kind of taken aback a little bit
Speaker 3: because I didn't know that happened. And although Kathy did
Speaker 3: tell me numerous times that Gary's only here for Nancy,
Speaker 3: so I did hear that a lot. But then when
Speaker 3: Nancy came, I mean, they had a history, and of
Speaker 3: course she's going to ask him out on a date.
Speaker 3: And you know, again, I'm not claiming anyone at this point,
Speaker 3: and no one, none of us are. None of the
Speaker 3: Goldens are claiming people. And so you know, I hope
Speaker 3: you have fun and I hope he picks me for
Speaker 3: the rest of their money. What can I say? I
Speaker 3: don't know, you know, Oh, I mean we're all friends
Speaker 3: and we're you know, it's a weird position to be in.
Speaker 3: But again, I we didn't know if like there were
Speaker 3: going to be new people coming. We didn't know anything.
Speaker 3: So I'm you know, again, Gary has a doll, really
Speaker 3: respected him as a friend. We had a great date,
Speaker 3: and it's his journey too, So.
Speaker 2: I don't know, is it weird that You've been on
Speaker 2: two Bachelor shows and both times you've dated a guy
Speaker 2: named Gary.
Speaker 3: I know, and our finale was in Costa Rica, and
Speaker 3: then bachel on Paradise is in Costa Rica.
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, this is weird, A lot of dejeville.
Speaker 1: After Gary goes on a date with Nancy, do you
Speaker 1: ask him about their relationship prior to the show?
Speaker 3: Let me think, I don't. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 3: know if I did, I might have. I think we
Speaker 3: sat down and had a conversation about it a little bit,
Speaker 3: and you know, I did bring up the fact that
Speaker 3: they have the same faith, and you know, I'm Jewish
Speaker 3: and he's Christian and does that play something into his whatever?
Speaker 3: And he said, no, I dated a Jewish women before.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 3: So I you know, I think we had a conversation
Speaker 3: like that, but I don't. I don't really remember me saying,
Speaker 3: you know, did you have a strong connection with Nancy before?
Speaker 3: I don't think I asked him that.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, And then he ends up giving you the rose.
Speaker 1: Was that to be expected? Or were you shocked?
Speaker 3: No? I mean I packed, you know, I was ready
Speaker 3: to go. I figured he's got three choices you know,
Speaker 3: and I don't know what he's going to do. Of
Speaker 3: course he's he didn't come up to me like giving
Speaker 3: you the road, you know, Like I didn't know. And
Speaker 3: you know, again, I don't know how their date went.
Speaker 3: I don't know their conversations that they had. We weren't
Speaker 3: really hanging out with the guys that day, so you know,
Speaker 3: I didn't know.
Speaker 1: That's interesting because I feel like with a lot of
Speaker 1: the younger cast, most people know, like even like even
Speaker 1: our experience in Paradise, like unless there was a love triangle,
Speaker 1: which at times there was, but for the most part,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I like.
Speaker 2: I have a pretty good idea how this is.
Speaker 1: Going to be, Yeah, like there's an acknowledgment or.
Speaker 2: If it was gonna even if it was going to
Speaker 2: be like a friendship rose like yeah, but with Gary
Speaker 2: even watching it, I mean, I didn't think he was
Speaker 2: going to give his ROAs to Natasha, but I wasn't
Speaker 2: sure if he was going to give his rose to
Speaker 2: you or Nancy, knowing that there had been a history
Speaker 2: with Gary and Nancy, right, I think if I was
Speaker 2: in your shoes, I would probably expect him to give
Speaker 2: it to her. Yeah, but maybe That just speaks to
Speaker 2: how strong your connection was.
Speaker 3: Well, I knew what we had. I knew that our
Speaker 3: connection was really strong, and I knew our date was amazing.
Speaker 3: I had no idea what they were doing. In fact,
Speaker 3: when they came back and said they they were like, oh,
Speaker 3: we had cakau. I had gone to sleep, so I
Speaker 3: wasn't in even I didn't know, you know, so I
Speaker 3: was trying to remember what Joe said that he tried
Speaker 3: to get as much sleep as he could. Remember you
Speaker 3: told me that before Paradise was so like, I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm going to bed. I can't do this, you know,
Speaker 3: So I just I didn't know. I didn't know until
Speaker 3: the next day. I didn't even know. Like you know, Nancy,
Speaker 3: I said, how was your dater? Maybe asked her and
Speaker 3: she goes great, Like, so, you know, I didn't know.
Speaker 1: Gary makes some unpredictable last minute decisions, as we see
Speaker 1: in this episode, which unfortunately leads the both of you
Speaker 1: to go home. It's it's pretty tough to watch because
Speaker 1: you're watching it like Gary, this makes literally no sense. Yeah,
Speaker 1: my first question is were you able I'm assuming you
Speaker 1: were not, but were you able to vocalize like hey, like,
Speaker 1: don't put half our stack again, oh said.
Speaker 3: And he just well, I said this because we were
Speaker 3: all sitting together when I was seeing what was going
Speaker 3: on with that lightning round, and I whispered to him,
Speaker 3: I said, if you don't no unequivocally the answer, like
Speaker 3: if they ask you how many grandchildren I have, put
Speaker 3: the whole thing in, because you know how many grandchildren
Speaker 3: I have. But if you don't know the answer, just
Speaker 3: don't bet a lot because we're up there.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But like a typical man, he did not listen to me.
Speaker 2: Is that like, what what do you think was going
Speaker 2: through his head? Because I mean he's splitting his stack,
Speaker 2: he's looking back and forth. I mean, he clearly is
Speaker 2: not putting together that all he has to do is
Speaker 2: throw one or two chips down and it's not gonna matter.
Speaker 2: You're gonna you're gonna be safe, which is.
Speaker 3: Crazy to be back with Bailey and Jeremy.
Speaker 2: Literally Yeah, And I do you think he thought he
Speaker 2: could catch up to Bailey and Jeremy.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: He saw move and he wanted to make a dramatic
Speaker 2: move like it just doesn't make sense watching it.
Speaker 3: You know, because I'm thinking, I don't know if you
Speaker 3: didn't understand, this is only for a date. Whoever wins this,
Speaker 3: it's for a date, and we need to be safe.
Speaker 3: We've already had an amazing date, you know. So I'm oh,
Speaker 3: I was like up there and and I'm thinking, and
Speaker 3: I kind of said, like the questions. There is a
Speaker 3: whole bunch of questions. And it's not like they didn't
Speaker 3: let us talk to each other. You know, we're sending
Speaker 3: next to each other. And one question there was another
Speaker 3: question I think about sex with one of the young
Speaker 3: ns or something, and I did say to him that's
Speaker 3: a lot or something like that, that's a lot A
Speaker 3: lot of times there's something And I'm like, did you
Speaker 3: get that hint? I mean, come on, sixty six is
Speaker 3: oh give me a break, giving me way too much credit.
Speaker 3: So I I, oh, you guys, it was hard, but
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 1: He was mistakes. Yeah, I mean people make mistakes. Have
Speaker 1: you have you and Gary a like what's your status
Speaker 1: now because you guys wore technically dating on the show.
Speaker 1: Like are you still talking or have you have you
Speaker 1: spoken since?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, we talk all the time. We talk. We
Speaker 3: were at the premiere together watching the show in La
Speaker 3: Gary is I can honestly say right now, one of
Speaker 3: my best friends, I mean, he is you know, I'll
Speaker 3: call him if I have a problem. He kind of
Speaker 3: talks me off the ledge a little bit, and we
Speaker 3: are always there for each other. We have each other's back.
Speaker 3: I don't know, because we haven't spent time together and
Speaker 3: we live in two separate cities. I don't know what
Speaker 3: it could be. All I know is that, you know,
Speaker 3: for me, a big thing with any relationship, a romantic
Speaker 3: one for sure, is I want to be friends first
Speaker 3: because I want to be with my best friend, you know,
Speaker 3: growing older, and so that is a huge thing for me.
Speaker 3: And I don't know what it's going to be, but
Speaker 3: I know that we have special places in our hearts
Speaker 3: for each other. And that's all I can say right now.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, okay, last question, did he tell you why
Speaker 1: he got his ships like that is there? Did he
Speaker 1: give you a reason yet? Like, is there an explanation
Speaker 1: for this?
Speaker 3: No? I think he just I don't know. He beat
Speaker 3: himself up enough after that where I you know, I didn't.
Speaker 3: I think I said I told you so once, but
Speaker 3: I certainly wasn't going to do it more than that
Speaker 3: because I could see he was visibly shaken and upset,
Speaker 3: and I'm sure he was thinking, why did I do that?
Speaker 3: Why did I do that? You know, listen, I have
Speaker 3: a family member that went through treatment for gambling addiction,
Speaker 3: and if he's not a good gambler, that's okay with me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's worse things like.
Speaker 3: It could be worse, you know what. We left the
Speaker 3: show together. I deently broken hearted. I didn't embarrass my
Speaker 3: children or my grandchildren. I didn't do any body shots,
Speaker 3: and so I feel like I left the show in
Speaker 3: a good space for me.
Speaker 2: How did you feel when they switched the format?
Speaker 3: And yeah, that was weird.
Speaker 2: I my petition money element.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the money element to me was kind of not
Speaker 3: a big deal. And again I go back to this
Speaker 3: is the young inst It's their show, and I certainly
Speaker 3: wouldn't want to take that away from them, you know.
Speaker 3: But it was a little different. I mean, we knew
Speaker 3: that this was it, like we were coupled up. Now
Speaker 3: there's no people coming and going, so that kind of
Speaker 3: it takes something off the plate, a little bit, like
Speaker 3: off your shoulders, a little off your shoulders thinking okay,
Speaker 3: well now we can breathe. We don't have to think
Speaker 3: about another road ceremony, not about that we have this,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, if you were to give someone advice
Speaker 2: now that was going on paradise, I know you said,
Speaker 2: you know, Joe's advice to you was get as much
Speaker 2: sleep as possible. What would be your advice that you
Speaker 2: passed down to future contestants.
Speaker 3: Well, I, you know, I took you guys advice. I
Speaker 3: took other people's advice. I just really lived in the moment.
Speaker 3: I didn't I didn't chase the cameras. You know, some
Speaker 3: people are looking for the cameras and then they wanted
Speaker 3: to go. I didn't do that because I, you know,
Speaker 3: and I'm visibly really not in the show like a lot,
Speaker 3: which is okay. I'm fine with that. I had my
Speaker 3: time the other one, but I just I would say,
Speaker 3: just be organic and be yourself and you know, try
Speaker 3: to stay out of the drama. Except that's probably why
Speaker 3: I wasn't in the show too much, because I tried
Speaker 3: not to do the drama thing and get rest and
Speaker 3: just have fun. Really, it was an amazing experience that
Speaker 3: I'll never forget. And I feel like I came away
Speaker 3: with like eight new daughters and I literally I felt
Speaker 3: like my right arm was cut off when I got home.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I miss Paris signment, like all these people
Speaker 3: you know, and I just I love them, talk to
Speaker 3: them still, and yeah, I'm a winner.
Speaker 1: Nice. That's good the hair. I'm glad you're in good spirits, Leslie.
Speaker 1: It was so nice talking to you. Thank you for
Speaker 1: taking the time and coming on the podcast.
Speaker 3: All right, guys, thank you of.
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