WEBVTT - Leslie's Last Dance 0:00:02.200 --> 0:00:04.000 Hey, everyone, welcome back to the Batter Happy Hour. 0:00:04.040 --> 0:00:06.040 I'm Joe and I'm Serena, and. 0:00:05.880 --> 0:00:08.520 We are back today with another episode. We are going 0:00:08.600 --> 0:00:12.040 to have Leslie on the podcast, but before we do, 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:15.440 we're going to do a little five minute recap because 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:20.079 they've changed the show a little bit midway, which we 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:22.120 kind of knew was coming. We didn't know five hundred 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:24.400 thousand dollars was going to be on the table, but 0:00:24.480 --> 0:00:27.080 now that it is, let's talk about it. 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:29.520 Let's talk about it. We haven't been doing our recaps 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:33.560 because there's been so many contestants to talk about via interviews, 0:00:33.560 --> 0:00:35.000 and we hope you guys have been loving that. But 0:00:35.320 --> 0:00:38.200 we want to share some of our thoughts on what's 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:40.760 been going on this season, and we feel like with 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:43.280 the introduction of the game component, this is a perfect 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:45.480 time to do so. So, Joe, what do you think? 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:50.440 I enjoy it? I mean, I love the idea of 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:56.000 adding the money element into the show because now we 0:00:56.040 --> 0:00:59.279 get to see like who's really into each other and 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:02.880 who is somewhat full of shift Because when it comes 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:05.920 down to it, I'm assuming I don't know, but I 0:01:05.920 --> 0:01:09.720 would assume there's gonna be an element where it's like 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:12.800 either you're gonna choose the person or you're gonna choose 0:01:12.800 --> 0:01:17.160 the money. That's where my head's at. And now like 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:21.520 it's almost like we're getting now they really have to 0:01:21.640 --> 0:01:27.240 like real time solve problems and like work together because 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:29.720 they both like five hundred grand's a lot of money. 0:01:29.760 --> 0:01:32.160 If it was like whatever, if it was, I mean, 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:33.440 that's a lot of money to win. 0:01:33.480 --> 0:01:35.600 That's life changing money. It's not like it's you know, 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:39.679 five k not that that's not you know, significant, but 0:01:39.720 --> 0:01:40.839 it's not five hundred thousand. 0:01:41.480 --> 0:01:42.399 Yeah, yeah, you know. 0:01:42.560 --> 0:01:44.840 I mean, like it's not gonna make me, you know, 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:48.080 question love or money if it's five thousand, Like I'm 0:01:48.120 --> 0:01:51.360 gonna go for love. But like I think five thousand dollars, 0:01:51.520 --> 0:01:55.160 five hundred thousand dollars can really you know, make some 0:01:55.200 --> 0:01:56.920 people sit and think what they really want to do. 0:01:57.040 --> 0:01:58.920 Well, yeah, because it comes in the play of like 0:02:00.080 --> 0:02:05.840 five hundred thousand is life changing for most people except 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:08.320 for Kim, who don't give a fuck, which was awesome. 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:11.799 Kim was like, I don't care about the money. 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:13.680 I'm literally just here to find love. 0:02:14.400 --> 0:02:17.680 For most people, it is so when it comes down 0:02:17.720 --> 0:02:20.320 to it, you know, I think you may have to, 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:23.120 Like you're gonna sit there and think like, oh, well, 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:26.520 i've known this person for two and a half weeks, 0:02:26.560 --> 0:02:29.600 three weeks? Will they flip on me for the money? 0:02:29.720 --> 0:02:29.800 Like? 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:31.400 Should I be flipping on them? 0:02:31.400 --> 0:02:31.640 From them? 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:32.880 But we don't know if it's gonna get that. 0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:33.280 We don't. 0:02:33.280 --> 0:02:36.360 We're just speculating right now. Obviously it's teams of two, 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:39.960 So if one couple wins, does that mean that they 0:02:40.040 --> 0:02:42.680 split the money? Does that mean that they compete against 0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:44.560 each other? Does that mean one of them gets it? 0:02:44.639 --> 0:02:47.640 So there's definitely still some unknowns at play here with 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:50.720 this new format. I feel like when the season started 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:53.399 with so many changes, it felt a little bit overwhelming, 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:56.919 And now a few episodes in, there's obviously a few 0:02:56.919 --> 0:02:59.720 things I missed just because I'm nostalgic and sentimental from 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:02.080 being on the original Paradise, But there's a lot that 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:05.160 I really like about it and I'm enjoying and things 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:07.680 that I'm glad they changed. So I feel like with 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:10.720 this first episode with the money and the competition element, 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:14.079 I'm still kind of settling in to the new format 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:17.320 I feel like and developing an opinion on it. But 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:19.920 I will say I really liked this first game. I 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:23.720 thought it was kind of the perfect balance of light 0:03:23.840 --> 0:03:26.600 and fun but also still very telling and revealing and 0:03:26.600 --> 0:03:28.440 putting these couples to the test. Like that's what I 0:03:28.480 --> 0:03:30.160 want the games to do, Like I want to stir 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:34.880 up a little I don't know, like drama about the couples. 0:03:34.880 --> 0:03:37.800 And we see that with Parisa and Brian right away, 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:40.280 like it's not going well and they're basically like, are 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:42.360 we not a good couple? And it's fun because it's 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:43.880 in line with the fact that they've been having a 0:03:43.920 --> 0:03:45.520 lot of arguments throughout the show. 0:03:45.760 --> 0:03:48.480 Yeah, they seem to have a lot of issues. Pretty 0:03:48.520 --> 0:03:52.720 early on, we do see Jeremy takes a big bet, 0:03:52.800 --> 0:03:55.160 which I enjoyed watching, Like that was fun. 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:57.800 That was shocking to me. I was so stressed watching that, 0:03:57.840 --> 0:03:59.240 but I mean it paid off, so I have to 0:03:59.240 --> 0:03:59.800 respect it. 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:02.280 I wonder if he knew. I wonder if they knew, 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:03.440 and I don't think they did. 0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:06.160 His interview made it seem like he had no idea. 0:04:06.200 --> 0:04:09.120 But then Bailey's that's that's not where I was going. 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:14.520 You know, No, I don't know obviously talking so how 0:04:14.560 --> 0:04:15.120 would you know? 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:16.400 Sorry? 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:20.200 Proceeed, Okay, Uh. My point was, I don't I wonder 0:04:20.240 --> 0:04:22.839 if they knew that they were going to have the 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:25.920 power to eliminate someone before. 0:04:26.880 --> 0:04:27.960 I don't believe they did. 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:32.120 Yeah, I don't think so either. So that's in so 0:04:32.120 --> 0:04:36.280 that makes it even a bigger risk. Like I could 0:04:36.360 --> 0:04:38.479 What I'm saying is I could see taking that risk 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:41.360 knowing that you're going to get the power, But taking 0:04:41.400 --> 0:04:45.279 that risk solely for a date or potentially going home 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:46.920 is a pretty big risk. 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:52.200 Yes, And I think that the best position in those games, 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:54.640 in my opinion at this point is like Dale and 0:04:54.720 --> 0:04:57.479 Kat where they came in second, so they're safe, right, 0:04:57.520 --> 0:05:00.400 Like they're in the top three, they don't get the date, 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:02.960 but like they're high, they're safe. 0:05:03.080 --> 0:05:05.200 Yeah. So but also it's. 0:05:05.120 --> 0:05:06.680 Like, hey, if you want the date, sure, obviously the 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:08.599 date's great, but then you're also in the position to 0:05:08.640 --> 0:05:12.200 have to send someone home and you're not really flying 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:14.880 under the radar once you do that. I mean, Jeremy 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:16.520 was living for it. He was like, give me all 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:19.040 the power. I love that I could to send someone home. 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:21.360 But like someone like Mail, someone like Bailey might have 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:23.719 been like, I'm good to just be safe. I don't 0:05:23.760 --> 0:05:26.159 want that kind of responsibility, Like that's way too hard 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:28.280 to do it. So I'm curious to see how that 0:05:29.120 --> 0:05:32.640 element of winning the challenges impacts the games moving forward. 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:35.000 You're you actually make a good point, because I didn't 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:37.520 think about like flying under the radar, and like Jeremy 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:39.840 is clearly not going to be flying under the radar 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:43.840 now because he was very vocal about like well in 0:05:43.880 --> 0:05:46.960 his interviews about like having the power and but like 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:49.719 if it gets flipped now and he's in the bottom three, 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:54.279 like I would vote, I would most likely be voting 0:05:54.360 --> 0:05:55.279 them out like I would be. 0:05:55.360 --> 0:05:57.080 I would be because they're a threat. You know that 0:05:57.080 --> 0:05:59.280 they're good at the competitions, They've won one. 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:02.040 I would be trying to vot out like I think 0:06:02.040 --> 0:06:04.240 they probably should have voted out Brian and Parsa. 0:06:05.240 --> 0:06:08.400 Yeah, I would love to know more insight into why 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:11.880 and how they made that decision, just because I don't 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:13.080 feel like it was clear to me. 0:06:13.760 --> 0:06:19.320 Well it's yeah, and now it's it is now a 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:25.120 game and I'm not keeping people because they have a 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:29.240 strong connection. I'm like, I'm trying to win five hundred 0:06:29.279 --> 0:06:30.200 thousand now, Like. 0:06:30.320 --> 0:06:33.719 Yeah, I'm sending people home that I think can beat me. Yeah, respectfully. 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:36.200 I mean everyone's coupled up, so it's kind of an 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:38.240 even playing field. It seems like, yes, a couple of 0:06:38.279 --> 0:06:41.360 the relationships are stronger than others, but like, no one's 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:45.400 flying single. I mean, if Jonathan and Leah they're the 0:06:45.400 --> 0:06:47.440 only people that are coupled up that aren't a couple, 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:50.840 I'm probably keeping them because I'm like, you're probably not 0:06:50.880 --> 0:06:52.680 going to do that great at these challenges because you're 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:55.640 not actually romantically involved. But then on the flip, they're 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:57.880 just friends, so maybe they'll work better together than like 0:06:57.920 --> 0:06:59.760 a Paris and Brian, who are having issues in the 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:00.600 world relationship. 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:03.359 Yeah, I think I would probably actually be more scared 0:07:04.360 --> 0:07:07.320 of two that are just friends because if they could 0:07:07.360 --> 0:07:09.279 get on the same page and really work. 0:07:09.160 --> 0:07:12.320 Together, Yeah, they can just be partners without any romantic 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:13.080 issues involved. 0:07:13.160 --> 0:07:14.680 Yeah, I get it in especially because it's like the 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:17.760 beginning of relationship. You're learning about somebody, you could really 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:20.280 start getting annoyed with that person, where if you're just friends, 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:25.000 you guys are basically co workers trying to win some money. 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:29.840 Last thing we'll talk about before we let leslie in, Gary, 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:34.120 like like talk about just fumbling the bag. 0:07:34.000 --> 0:07:35.600 Well and they went home because of it. I know, 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:38.960 had he just bet one chip or two chips, he 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:41.040 would have stayed safe in the top three and they'd 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:41.800 still be there. 0:07:42.800 --> 0:07:47.480 Yeah. I can't really, I don't really understand what I mean, 0:07:47.560 --> 0:07:49.440 Like I get when you make them, I get like 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:50.280 people make mistakes. 0:07:50.320 --> 0:07:52.280 I mean, it was obviously a genuine mistake. 0:07:52.360 --> 0:07:52.760 He did not. 0:07:53.120 --> 0:07:55.600 I think he was trying to make it dramatic and 0:07:55.680 --> 0:07:58.600 be like ooh, like I'm he like splits his stack 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:02.880 and he's contemplay. You can see everyone being like, dude, 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:04.400 what are you doing? Like, I just don't think it 0:08:04.440 --> 0:08:08.600 was clicking in his mind. What he was doing did 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:09.400 not make sense. 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:14.880 Yeah, yeah, I mean it made zero sense. And I 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:20.440 just think, Yeah, I think Gary like likes the dramatics, 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:23.920 the dramatics and being on TV and like watching He 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:26.640 probably watched Jeremy make a big bet. He's like, ooh, 0:08:26.800 --> 0:08:31.800 I wanna I want to spice things up, and it's like, no, yeah. 0:08:31.640 --> 0:08:35.480 There's some moments TV, Gary, this was not one of them. 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:37.680 Just throw your single chip down and call it today. 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:42.360 I'm curious. I'm curious if Leslie was able to We'll 0:08:42.400 --> 0:08:44.280 ask her when she comes on the episode. Right now, 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:47.839 if she was able to voice her opinion when he 0:08:47.880 --> 0:08:50.960 was doing that, or was she supposed to stay quiet 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:52.440 in the back, because like, I feel like me and 0:08:52.480 --> 0:08:54.920 you right, like if it was if it was if 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:57.160 it was me doing that, you would be like, Joe, 0:08:58.360 --> 0:09:00.560 just bat one, chip, what the fuck are you doing? 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:03.559 And then maybe it would click like oh yeah. 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:05.560 But I feel like they can't because if she's saying 0:09:05.640 --> 0:09:08.080 just bet one ship, it's essentially saying you don't know 0:09:08.120 --> 0:09:09.760 the answer and you're probably gonna get it wrong. 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:12.000 She probably can't. Yeah, she probably can't. 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:15.200 I'm curious to know if Gary and Leslie are still 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:19.760 talking to one another, if anything has happened post Paradise 0:09:19.800 --> 0:09:22.959 for them, and if she blames Gary for them being 0:09:23.000 --> 0:09:24.679 sent home and why she thinks they were sent home. 0:09:24.720 --> 0:09:26.600 Well, she definitely blames him for me sent home. She 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:29.680 said to me, it's his fault. And she said in 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:33.120 an interview, She's like, everyone makes mistakes, so I can't 0:09:33.160 --> 0:09:36.319 be mad at him, but this was a big mistake. Yeah, 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:37.040 and it kind of was. 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.480 I do feel a little bad for Gary because that 0:09:39.559 --> 0:09:42.680 would just really weigh on me and I would feel 0:09:42.679 --> 0:09:44.080 really guilty and just kind of silly. 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:47.000 Yeah, I feel I feel bad for Gary in a 0:09:47.120 --> 0:09:51.040 sense of he probably feels really bad that he let 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:54.160 another person down on accident, like he made a mistake. 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:56.040 Yeah, it's not just him that suffers. 0:09:56.200 --> 0:09:59.520 Yeah, partner too. Yeah, Which that's a hard pill the swallow. 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:02.400 Yes, but adds a really good layer to the competition 0:10:02.480 --> 0:10:03.360 element of this show. 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:03.720 Yeah. 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:08.000 Great, loved it, entertaining. Great job Gary. Okay, let's let 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:14.120 should we let Leslie in? Yeah, let's do it, all right, Leslie. 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:16.400 Welcome back to the Batter Happy Hour. How are you? 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:17.840 I'm good? 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:22.240 How are you good? Good? Welcome back. You've been on 0:10:22.280 --> 0:10:27.720 the show multiple times. Unfortunately you got to eliminate it. 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:32.360 Not really not really your fault, but we will. We 0:10:32.559 --> 0:10:37.040 will definitely talk about that. Yeah, let's go to the 0:10:37.080 --> 0:10:41.000 beginning though. How did it feel when you first got 0:10:41.000 --> 0:10:44.720 out to Paradise, you know, it's a new, new format, 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:49.600 new location. Where you regretting it at all? Or were 0:10:49.600 --> 0:10:50.480 you happy to be there? 0:10:51.480 --> 0:10:54.520 Oh? I never regretted a minute of it. I was 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:59.640 so excited. You know, they took us all on that boat. 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:03.439 That animal ran was our entrance. I actually didn't know 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:06.920 they just took us and I was like, is this 0:11:07.000 --> 0:11:09.640 another photo shoot? What are we doing? I didn't even know. 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:13.480 I'm like, we're going now. In fact, I missed the 0:11:13.520 --> 0:11:15.840 memo that I was supposed to be all packed up, 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:18.560 and they come get me and they're like, you're not packed. 0:11:18.600 --> 0:11:20.199 I said, well, why do I need to be packed? 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:22.360 I literally thought we were doing another photo shoot. I 0:11:22.360 --> 0:11:25.160 didn't know what was going on. But then all of 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:27.040 a sudden, we're on this boat and we're having so 0:11:27.120 --> 0:11:29.720 much fun. And I had not met the guys before, 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:33.720 so that was kind of fun to meet them. And yeah, 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:36.840 and then we walked into Paradise and all these I 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:39.720 always called the young ins, but they were sitting around 0:11:40.000 --> 0:11:43.480 and they were so excited to see us. I don't 0:11:43.520 --> 0:11:46.880 think they were pretending, especially the girls. They were very excited. 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:51.520 And immediately we felt like this bond. So it was amazing. 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:55.000 That's good, That's yeah. I mean it looked like a 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:55.600 lot of fun. 0:11:56.520 --> 0:11:59.439 How did you feel about coming in a few days 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:01.960 later than the original cast? 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:05.360 Well, I was okay, So, like I kind of knew 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:08.520 who was going to be there prior to going on. 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:11.200 Of course, you hear this person's going, this person's going. 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:15.520 So I walk in and I say, where's Susie, where's 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:19.800 Eli Joe, where's Lexi? You know, and did they not 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:22.480 come yet? And they're like they left last night And 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:26.360 I was like what because I had you know, Susie 0:12:26.360 --> 0:12:29.200 I was on her podcast before and she's a doll. 0:12:29.400 --> 0:12:33.200 And Lexi we were had been dming ever since she 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:34.800 was on her show and she's a doll and co 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:36.520 wait to meet her. And then Ali Joe we were 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:38.920 like going to work out on the beach together. We 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:42.040 were like bringing bringing bands, I'm bringing balls, like we 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:45.360 had this whole thing and I'm like, wait what They're gone. 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:47.760 So that was a little shocking to me. 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:52.360 Yeah, how was the mood amongst the rest of the cast, 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:54.280 because that was a pretty. 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:57.959 Yeah yeah, you guys came here right after that dramatic 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:00.880 rose ceremony with Susie and justin my mood was not good. 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:01.959 Yeah yeah. 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:05.320 I mean we walk in it was like you could 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:08.640 hear a pin drop, Like there's like we're walking and 0:13:08.679 --> 0:13:11.120 you kind of you know, we're walking around the path 0:13:11.160 --> 0:13:15.920 and there's no talking, there's no you know, music, there's 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:19.080 no music not going, but like there's no energy and 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:20.920 all of a sudden, they're just kind of sitting around 0:13:21.000 --> 0:13:25.000 the bar like this and we walk in They're like hi, 0:13:26.320 --> 0:13:27.360 So it was kind of fun. 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:30.720 Yeah, you guys, But you guys probably really saved them 0:13:30.840 --> 0:13:34.880 because their energy was definitely low. I'm seeing so much 0:13:35.040 --> 0:13:39.439 on social media that the Goldens are like making paradise, 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:43.720 like everybody is loves watching you guys. Yeah, how does 0:13:43.760 --> 0:13:44.240 that feel? 0:13:45.880 --> 0:13:50.079 It feels amazing. I mean, I guess maybe it stems 0:13:50.080 --> 0:13:52.560 from the fact that we just don't care, you know. 0:13:53.000 --> 0:13:56.240 I mean, I know I'm speaking you know, for myself 0:13:56.800 --> 0:13:59.360 and maybe some of the others. I just don't care. 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:01.360 I don't care what my hair looks like. I don't 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:03.160 I don't care if I don't have any makeup on, 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:05.560 I mean, or I don't care what we say or 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:10.160 do or you know. I guess we just don't care 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:13.280 as much. And maybe that's why because we come off 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:20.040 pretty authentic and nothing's really forced. And if I roll 0:14:20.080 --> 0:14:22.560 my eyes as something, it doesn't mean I'm mad at something, 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:24.560 you know, like I have, but you know, it's just 0:14:24.760 --> 0:14:28.080 my facial expressions. But I just, you know, I get 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:30.840 where they're coming from. I mean, you know, they definitely 0:14:31.760 --> 0:14:35.800 I always say, it's their show, and you know their cake. 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:38.280 Maybe we were just the icing on it. That's how 0:14:38.360 --> 0:14:45.000 my mindset was, and so that's kind of my That 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:47.480 was what I felt going into the show, and I 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:52.480 stayed that way throughout. 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:59.240 Is there anyone in the Golden cast that you think 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:02.560 does care and when I meet care what I mean Kieren, 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:05.520 like really care how they are portrayed? 0:15:08.640 --> 0:15:11.760 I think there are yes, Okay, absolutely, I just don't 0:15:11.760 --> 0:15:12.560 know why I don't care. 0:15:13.360 --> 0:15:14.680 So that's good. 0:15:14.840 --> 0:15:17.760 Going into Paradise, did you have any guys that you 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:23.200 were interested in or any like sparks right off the 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:27.160 bat when you got down there, Well. 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:29.800 There was no sparks for me. With the guys that 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:31.640 we met on the boat. They were like I could 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:33.760 see that we're all going to be fast friends and 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:37.160 you know, and I'll call them my friends. 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:42.080 Now, do you think if Gary was on the boat 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:45.400 you may have felt a certain way about him or 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:48.600 do you think because he came down later and you 0:15:48.640 --> 0:15:51.000 didn't feel a spark between any of the other guys 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:56.520 that created something that may or may not have been there? 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:01.400 Good question. Well, I mean Gary and I met each 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:05.800 other at Grant's finale because we were announce Yeah, so 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:08.800 I had met him, but that was all. I didn't 0:16:08.920 --> 0:16:11.840 text him after we didn't we didn't communicate at all 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:13.720 because you know, I just didn't want to do that. 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:18.600 So I feel that out of all the guys, Gary 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:21.960 and I definitely have a lot in common with our music, 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:26.760 the way we kind of grew up in a musical family, 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:32.120 all that stuff, and a little bit more in common 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:34.760 with him than I did with the other guys. So 0:16:36.040 --> 0:16:39.200 I probably, I don't know. I think it's good that 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:42.280 he came down a couple days later, to be honest, 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:46.200 you know, got a time to settle in and not 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:49.560 you know, realize that there for me, there was no 0:16:49.600 --> 0:16:51.280 sparks with anyone else. 0:16:51.960 --> 0:16:52.400 Got it? 0:16:52.960 --> 0:16:56.160 What was the vibe like when Gary did come down 0:16:56.200 --> 0:16:58.520 the next day? He comes in with a lot of energy, 0:16:58.560 --> 0:17:02.080 He makes an entrance, he has a day card. Was 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:04.119 there a lot of women that were interested in going 0:17:04.160 --> 0:17:04.720 on that date? 0:17:06.680 --> 0:17:10.520 I think I know Natasha wanted to go on the date. 0:17:10.600 --> 0:17:14.680 I wanted to go on the date. I'm not sure 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:21.400 about Kathy she was probably she was kind of more 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:26.479 focused on Keith. So yeah, I mean, I don't know. 0:17:26.520 --> 0:17:28.400 I don't know if April want I'm sure April want 0:17:28.440 --> 0:17:31.960 have turned it down, So that was you know, I 0:17:32.000 --> 0:17:35.280 guess it was really maybe more between Natasha and I. 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:39.320 Yeah, what's going on with Kathy and Keith? Well, let 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:42.080 me ask a more specific question on the beach. As 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:44.399 a viewer, right now, it looks like they started off 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:47.439 with potentially a spark. They go to the VIP suite, 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:49.600 and now it feels like maybe it's a little bit 0:17:49.600 --> 0:17:54.320 more of a friendship. When you left, where would you 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:57.480 say they were at on the scale of just friends 0:17:57.560 --> 0:17:58.440 to madly in love? 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:03.159 I think I think just friends right now when I left. 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:06.560 The thing is, it's like you know, at our age, 0:18:06.600 --> 0:18:12.159 relationships come in different forms, and they definitely have a 0:18:12.200 --> 0:18:16.919 good relationship, whether they decide to make it romantic or not. 0:18:17.640 --> 0:18:20.800 I think, you know, they have a good friendship. 0:18:21.359 --> 0:18:25.960 Okay, okay, So let's let's talk about the rose ceremony. 0:18:26.640 --> 0:18:28.520 You go on a date with Gary. It goes well, 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:32.080 you are going to give Gary your rose, at least 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:36.320 that's how it appears as a viewer. Uh, And then 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:41.679 Natasha gives Gary the rose, he accepts it. What is 0:18:41.800 --> 0:18:44.119 going through your mind in that moment? 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:47.800 Who the hell am I going to pick? Yeah? 0:18:48.320 --> 0:18:53.879 Yeah? And are you going are you upset at Gary 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:58.119 for accepting Natasha's rose, Like, does Gary know that he's getty? 0:18:58.160 --> 0:19:01.440 Does Gary have a good idea that you're giving him 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:02.080 his rose? 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:05.480 I would think he did. 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:07.800 Yeah, that's what it seemed. 0:19:08.000 --> 0:19:11.720 I mean we had a great day. We I literally 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:16.160 laughed our asses off. We had so much fun. Everything 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:18.840 was just completely the way it looked. I mean it 0:19:18.920 --> 0:19:21.359 was raining, we kicked I kicked my shoes off. We 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:25.320 were having so much fun. We had no awkwardness, no 0:19:26.200 --> 0:19:28.880 down time. I mean, we just had great time. So yeah, 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:32.160 I would think he would think I was giving him 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:34.840 my rose. I guess I didn't even think he shouldn't 0:19:34.840 --> 0:19:37.480 have accepted it. Well, now you have that, now I 0:19:37.600 --> 0:19:41.840 had not just kidding, I'm gonna have to call him up. No, 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:45.080 I don't know. I mean, you know, you're in the 0:19:45.240 --> 0:19:46.760 you know how it is, you're in the moment. You 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:48.760 don't it's just like you don't know. I didn't know 0:19:48.800 --> 0:19:51.720 that Natasha was going to be called first, so I 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:56.080 didn't think outside of that, and I was really didn't 0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:57.480 know who to pick. 0:19:58.040 --> 0:20:00.960 Yeah, you were in a really tough and I mean 0:20:00.960 --> 0:20:03.000 in Gary's defense, because I'm trying to put myself in 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:05.920 his shoes, because I would assume he's standing there thinking 0:20:06.040 --> 0:20:08.320 Leslie's gonna go up and I'm going to accept her rose. 0:20:08.640 --> 0:20:11.879 Maybe he was like, oh, maybe Leslie's gonna give her 0:20:11.960 --> 0:20:14.840 rose to someone else, Like maybe they've already talked and 0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:18.640 I'm missing something now. But yeah, so he accept Natasha's rose. 0:20:18.720 --> 0:20:21.720 How do you stand up there and make your decision? 0:20:24.080 --> 0:20:32.000 It was a hard one. I stood there thinking kind 0:20:32.000 --> 0:20:35.720