WEBVTT - Ep. 649: Muzzleloader Blues 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:12.760 This is the Meat Eater Podcast coming at you shirtless, 0:00:12.800 --> 0:00:15.280 severely bug bitten, and in my case, underwear. 0:00:15.360 --> 0:00:19.320 Listening to podcast, you can't predict anything. 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:22.800 The Meat Eater Podcast is brought to you by First Light. 0:00:22.960 --> 0:00:26.040 Whether you're checking trail cams, hanging deer stands, or scouting 0:00:26.120 --> 0:00:29.520 for elk. First Light has performance apparel to support every 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:32.400 hunter in every environment. Check it out at first light 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:35.640 dot com, f I R S T L I t 0:00:35.760 --> 0:00:42.440 E dot com. This episode is gonna be called muzzle 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:52.240 order blues. I have, well, yeah, unless Seth's trying to 0:00:52.320 --> 0:00:55.840 launch a new show called Tain't Talk but because he's 0:00:55.840 --> 0:00:58.360 been listening to a lot of health and wellness podcasts. 0:00:59.000 --> 0:01:06.240 But mussloader blues because once again I have failed to 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:11.640 uh get it done, as they say, with my muzzloader. Yeah, 0:01:11.800 --> 0:01:14.480 I just don't have the skills man, Like you know 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:19.720 a tool. I'm a rifle man. Let me the kind 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:20.520 of center fire. 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:25.000 Yeah, it's got to be similar to like archery, Like 0:01:25.040 --> 0:01:27.880 you're not getting any further away than you would in archery, 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:29.520 and you got it, you got close. 0:01:29.640 --> 0:01:31.600 But archery you get to you get to hunt before 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:35.200 the gun hunter. Archery you get first cracks and mussloader. 0:01:35.400 --> 0:01:40.720 You get last cracks, meaning people been terrorizing these port animals, 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:45.160 and then you gotta you try to further antagonize them 0:01:45.840 --> 0:01:48.800 when they're kind of tuned into the what's up? 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:55.200 Yeah archery, all your arrows work too, and yeah it's going. 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:59.440 Yeah, you know that the boat's going off when I 0:01:59.520 --> 0:02:06.360 let her go, she's going, she's going. Yeah. A lot 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:08.359 of stuff like I wrote in with a business idea 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:11.560 from a podcast, and I get a lot of these, 0:02:11.600 --> 0:02:13.920 but this one I wanted to His name is Brian. 0:02:14.720 --> 0:02:16.079 I just wanted to get you guys feeling on it 0:02:16.080 --> 0:02:17.760 because I'm having a hard time understanding it. 0:02:18.880 --> 0:02:19.280 I have. 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:23.360 I didn't invent this, but if you have a bill 0:02:23.440 --> 0:02:25.560 cap on, I'm gonna put my bill cap on. A 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:27.040 demonstrator had my buyos too. 0:02:28.600 --> 0:02:30.320 They're just in your truck, and we got a set 0:02:30.320 --> 0:02:32.520 of vinyls. Same. You want to grab those? 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:34.040 Yeah, I canep grabb those set of binyls out of 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:43.440 the truck. So here I put my bill cap on 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:49.200 and I'm gonna demonstrate a strategy of knock a knocking 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:54.000 byo knocking binocular strategy. What I was talking about is 0:02:54.080 --> 0:02:58.280 that you can use your bill again I didn't. I 0:02:58.320 --> 0:03:02.240 didn't invent this. It's always then around. But these are 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:05.440 stabilizing pinoclars, so it's less relevant here I'm holding the parabindoctors. 0:03:05.520 --> 0:03:09.440 Let's say these aren't stabilized binoculars. You forew people watching 0:03:09.480 --> 0:03:11.440 at home not listening when you hold them up. 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:14.119 Have you ever? You know this trick? Every knows this trick. 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:21.920 You clamp, You clamp your uh fingers. You your ratchet 0:03:21.960 --> 0:03:27.160 your binos. Where's that camera? You ratchet your bino's to 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:30.160 the bill of your hat, and if you want to 0:03:30.200 --> 0:03:38.320 get mega stable, you pull slightly so I'm pinching them. 0:03:42.480 --> 0:03:45.200 M hmm. I like to get the hands. I like 0:03:45.280 --> 0:03:48.240 to uh, I like to get the hands a little 0:03:48.240 --> 0:03:50.800 more on the side, like yes, that way, it's like 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:52.920 put it's like putting blinders up. That's not the right 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:53.440 way to do it. 0:03:53.480 --> 0:03:56.040 No, that is that then you can get all you 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:58.280 basically grab it with the binos with your palms. 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:00.160 Yeah, and then you put all four fingers on your. 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:03.560 So you're like a dude from college in the nineties, 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:07.440 you know when you used to wrap your hat around 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:08.040 a beer can. 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:11.360 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, But that if you do that then, 0:04:11.520 --> 0:04:16.000 especially when the sun's out. Yeah, put your blinders. 0:04:15.560 --> 0:04:19.520 Up, because I run Backstreet boys when it's sunny out. 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:21.160 He did that. 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:23.880 Do you know what I'm saying? So the son's over here, 0:04:23.960 --> 0:04:26.799 I run it like this, right. 0:04:26.960 --> 0:04:28.880 But if you apply to our method, do you want to? Yeah? 0:04:29.120 --> 0:04:32.200 And then I'm boned on this. So then you're see 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:32.760 what you're saying. 0:04:32.880 --> 0:04:36.680 You're stable and you're not getting any leak or light 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:38.080 leaking inside. Yeah. 0:04:38.120 --> 0:04:40.000 I don't know. Yeah, I can see it a little 0:04:40.000 --> 0:04:42.240 bit either way. The what I have in BET, I 0:04:42.240 --> 0:04:44.000 didn't invent that. But what I did in BET was this. 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:55.840 I invented the poll, just one. No one had done that. 0:04:57.320 --> 0:04:59.560 There's not a soul in the world that has ever 0:04:59.600 --> 0:04:59.880 done that. 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:05.360 Not not. When you put a slight pull for extra stability. 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:09.400 A guy heard me talking about this named Brian. 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:18.600 Okay, slight poll, huh yeah, locks in if you like, 0:05:18.839 --> 0:05:20.520 I feel like a push would lock in. 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:22.000 No that it's hitting your eyes. 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:24.360 Yeah, then you're stable against your face. 0:05:25.120 --> 0:05:28.160 I can't explain it better. Later, this guy writes in Brian, 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:30.719 if you switch the letters in his name around, you 0:05:30.760 --> 0:05:37.800 get brain. He says, I just had an idea. Well, first, 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:39.880 he says, hey, Steve. He says, I just had an idea. 0:05:41.480 --> 0:05:44.880 I heard your podcast regarding the trick. Now listen carefully 0:05:44.880 --> 0:05:48.320 because I get confused for this. I heard your podcast 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:52.120 regarding the trick to hang on to binoculars using the 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:56.080 bill of your bill, cap bill of your cap, and 0:05:56.120 --> 0:06:03.280 he uppercases bill com I thought, why not come up 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:07.159 with a strap system. Now here's where you gotta start 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:17.000 paying attention. A strap system that goes around the binoculars. Comma, 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:21.560 so forget though, I thought, why not come up with 0:06:21.600 --> 0:06:25.360 a strap system that goes around the binoculars. Comma, hold 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:30.600 him into the exact place you want, and a strap 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:35.240 then runs over the top of your head and attaches 0:06:35.800 --> 0:06:42.640 underneath your shoulders. Wow, binoculars stay glued to your eyes. 0:06:44.880 --> 0:06:47.120 Hard to them away, fail to see. 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:51.560 Yeah, I don't want you boys to get uncomfortable. By 0:06:51.560 --> 0:06:58.080 I'm removing my belt, you're thinking you eat or did 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:01.160 something bad, or I'm gonna do something bad. Neither is true. 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:11.720 He's saying, Man, there's so many straps. He's saying something 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:16.559 to this effect, and then under the under back under 0:07:16.560 --> 0:07:23.360 my armpits. At that point, I think that's it, You're like, 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:28.440 he just essentially would have been this is a business idea. 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:34.040 Well essentially what he'd piggybacked off of wash kevlar helmet. 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:35.240 No, he's right. 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:39.440 Look, yeah, it's almost like almost like a set of 0:07:39.480 --> 0:07:40.120 nods on help. 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:43.920 What he's not thinking of is that you can't go 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:45.000 about your day. 0:07:45.960 --> 0:07:47.120 You gotta be able to flip him up. 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:53.280 Yeah, because you can't find like, uh, you'd be tripping 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:56.360 over stuff. Yeah, you can't drive to your spot. 0:07:56.200 --> 0:07:58.840 You can't be running around all day on twelve power. 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:06.040 So any feedback would be wonderful. Keep keep plugging away 0:08:06.040 --> 0:08:06.920 at it. Yeah. 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:10.000 I think it's gotta be uh, you know, like your 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:13.960 fancy coon hunting hat, it's got the inner liner. Yeah, 0:08:14.400 --> 0:08:16.680 I think, uh quick, it's got to be something on 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:20.000 there that you can flip them up and pop them down. 0:08:20.080 --> 0:08:22.520 I'd pay good money to see Steve roll around the 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:24.880 planes and the kevlar with just some nods on it. 0:08:25.160 --> 0:08:29.400 Yeah every time. Yeah yeah, and then if you fall, 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:30.440 you protect it. Yeah. 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:34.680 I was making a I was making an argument. Their day. 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:37.280 My boy is, my older boy is tangled up at 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:42.600 school and speech and debate class, m h I remember 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:48.000 being Yeah, speech and debate is what it's called I 0:08:48.040 --> 0:08:51.760 went down to the to the orientation with my wife, 0:08:52.400 --> 0:08:55.520 and when they asked for questions, I was dying to 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:57.600 ask a question, but I didn't. And then I told 0:08:57.600 --> 0:09:01.680 my wife, I said, I'm gonna tell you something, and 0:09:01.720 --> 0:09:03.920 you're not gonna like take it seriously. You're just gonna 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:06.600 you're gonna like be mildly offended, and you're not gonna 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:12.199 really listen to what I'm saying, Okay, And I was saying, 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:24.920 it doesn't without knowing the ethics of a child, I 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:28.440 don't think it makes sense to train them in speech 0:09:28.440 --> 0:09:33.760 and debate. And I said to her, I had I 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:40.120 came up with this slogan, Today's children are tomorrow's enemies. 0:09:40.679 --> 0:09:42.920 WHOA, it's great, so. 0:09:43.120 --> 0:09:44.600 Picture it's great. 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:46.520 Yeah, it's great. 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:49.679 This is a mildly and defensible position. But think about it. 0:09:50.760 --> 0:09:52.160 What I was saying is like, here, you got a 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:53.880 whole class from your kids. I don't know what their 0:09:53.920 --> 0:09:58.640 belief systems are, but but here we are like, like, 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:01.880 you donate your time, time or money to train them 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:06.720 to be persuasive without knowing what their belief system is. 0:10:07.800 --> 0:10:12.200 How do you know you're not training someone who would 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:17.240 be adversarial to your position? Training them and making them 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:21.800 more convincing, thereby creating a future enemy. 0:10:22.520 --> 0:10:23.440 I think that happens. 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:27.800 I think you would first vet you, you'd vet them 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:29.839 to find the ones that you kind of agree with, 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:32.080 and then train them one speech and debate. 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:33.440 How would you vet them? 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:37.800 And who's the questionnaire? I would do the questionnaire, but 0:10:37.840 --> 0:10:38.360 that would. 0:10:38.160 --> 0:10:40.080 Be that would be, that would be. 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:44.679 To you and your belief Yes, and you'd have to 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:47.200 try out for speech and debate. And I would accord 0:10:47.320 --> 0:10:49.600 in and volunteer to come in and be like, yes no. 0:10:50.440 --> 0:10:54.360 To speech and debate. According according to you're right, your 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:56.280 wife probably did. 0:10:57.520 --> 0:10:59.520 I told her, and I've yet to have her come 0:10:59.559 --> 0:11:01.480 back to me with any kind of a reply. 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:06.440 You'd have to have a board of people who like. 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:09.440 Then I'd have to be able to vet the board, 0:11:09.800 --> 0:11:12.520 like uh, I'd have. 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:13.360 To pick the board. 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:14.839 Then you know what I'm saying. 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:17.079 Well, I'm just saying if you wanted to keep it fair, 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:19.800 or or you don't want to keep it fair, you 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:21.280 just want people to believe what you believe. 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:23.240 Can I give you a piece of Can I give 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:24.520 you some listener feedback about this? 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:25.240 Yeah? 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:28.360 This is all tee and up listener feedback. It's a 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:32.640 great subject line. Uh, it starts out my three favorite 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:36.160 four favorite words. Steve was one correct. 0:11:37.120 --> 0:11:38.240 That's how it starts out. 0:11:38.600 --> 0:11:45.120 Steve is, Steve is one correct about debate class and 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:51.800 here's a real life example why dying to know. Yep, 0:11:52.040 --> 0:11:54.600 Steve is spot on when he says that teaching debate 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:57.760 separate from ethics is dangerous. That's not really what I said, 0:11:57.800 --> 0:12:01.800 but sure my daughter did. It's a state champ debate 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:09.640 guy who is a class AA hole when their relationships hours, 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:13.280 he is expert at convincing her that the reason things 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:17.720 have gone bad is because of her. He never takes 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:20.800 responsibility for his actions and makes her feel like shit. 0:12:21.000 --> 0:12:25.160 His ability to win either side of a debate has 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:28.440 given him the notion that he is never wrong because 0:12:28.440 --> 0:12:33.120 he can always justify his position in his mind and 0:12:33.240 --> 0:12:36.640 convinces her that she isnt the wrong because he is 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:41.280 able to twist the situation and deflect blame back on her. 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:46.560 One need this is the letter. I'm still reading the letter. 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:51.720 One need to only be convincing in a debate, not ethical, moral, 0:12:51.880 --> 0:12:55.800 or write, and therein lies the issue. Signed a piste off, Dad, 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:02.760 Did you write that letter and No, that wasn't what 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:05.599 I was getting at. I was more getting at I 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:08.920 don't want to train up by my like these other 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:11.760 you know I've worried about, like the whole classroom of kids, 0:13:11.840 --> 0:13:13.960 like some of them are gonna have viewpoints different than mine, 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:16.920 and then they become convincing, And what if they come 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:19.880 convince me is something that I don't want to be convinced. 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:23.280 So you're just you're you're ultimately scared of change. M 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:26.920 h m. That's right, Seth. 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:29.319 Can you can you share your reporting about bear spray? 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:30.600 Oh? 0:13:30.679 --> 0:13:32.959 Yeah, this is probably your first piece of original reporting. 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:38.280 Probably it ain't it's not gonna be I mean, it's 0:13:38.280 --> 0:13:42.360 not crazy, but well let me tee you up. Okay. 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:45.559 The other day on a podcast, we had a podcast 0:13:45.640 --> 0:13:48.960 with a guest who spent their career, much of their 0:13:49.000 --> 0:13:54.640 career working with grizzly bears and catching problem bears and 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.240 dealing with catching bears and trying to get people to 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:01.400 not have problems with bears stuff like that, and then 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:04.760 there we got to do a conversation about bear spray 0:14:04.760 --> 0:14:06.920 and this guy's long time hunter worked a zwning guide 0:14:07.240 --> 0:14:12.280 and I laid out to him. Okay, the perennial debate pistol, 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:13.080 bear spray? 0:14:13.280 --> 0:14:13.840 What do you like? 0:14:14.080 --> 0:14:18.880 He said, bear spray, and he went on to say, 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:21.600 you know, very few people are actually proficient with a pistol, 0:14:21.640 --> 0:14:24.080 despite how much they might think they're proficient with a pistol. 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:28.320 But with bear sprays, you're creating a cloud of spray. 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:31.000 I see you, Chili did a little face. 0:14:31.840 --> 0:14:34.720 I just I mean, I would agree with the fact 0:14:34.760 --> 0:14:36.600 that a lot of people aren't proficient with a pistol, 0:14:37.120 --> 0:14:41.640 But like, I think a lot of things like one year, 0:14:41.720 --> 0:14:43.880 what if the wind's blowing in your face and like 0:14:44.000 --> 0:14:45.920 you blind the bear, but you also blind yourself, or 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:46.640 what if you don't. 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:49.240 Get the bear, because then the bear that's fine. 0:14:49.200 --> 0:14:50.880 But like, I just think that a lot more things 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:54.040 can go wrong with bear spray. And personally, I just 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:56.800 feel more comfortable with a gun because I mean, I've 0:14:56.800 --> 0:14:59.080 never had to shoot out a bear, but I've seen 0:14:59.160 --> 0:15:02.400 videos and I've like read reports like a lot of 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:06.520 the bears just bugger off at the sound of a gun. 0:15:06.720 --> 0:15:10.080 I've had him go towards the sound of a gun. Well, 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:12.440 I've shot in front of him and then had him 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:15.600 go look at where I shot because they saw something move. 0:15:16.680 --> 0:15:19.240 I think it depends on the person either way. I've 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:21.760 shot my pistol thousands more times than I have my 0:15:21.920 --> 0:15:28.480 bear spray. Okay, you're ready for your reporting though. 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:37.560 Yeah. Well, then someone didn someone write in about assault 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:40.840 bear spray for assault. Greg Fonce, who's been on the 0:15:40.880 --> 0:15:42.600 podcast Greg. Yeah. 0:15:42.640 --> 0:15:46.640 Well Greg Fonce, he's a he's a firefighter, yeah in Sacramento, 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:49.960 and he said his experiences with bear spray are not 0:15:50.160 --> 0:15:52.800 from people carry him around for bears, but it's kind 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:57.600 of a thing commonly used for assault and robbery. He says, 0:15:57.640 --> 0:16:00.160 I bet more people get sprayed by bear spray then 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:02.520 bears get sprayed by bear spray. Absolutely true. 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:02.960 Yep. 0:16:04.400 --> 0:16:07.280 I've had two incidents of getting sprayed by bear spray, 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:12.000 not bears. I've yet to see a bear get shot 0:16:12.040 --> 0:16:14.880 with bear spray. I've seen bears get fired at with guns, 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:16.840 but not fired at by bear spray. And I have 0:16:16.840 --> 0:16:18.640 a couple of times that okaysion to shoot in front 0:16:18.640 --> 0:16:21.120 of them to try to deter them. 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:24.680 So, yeah, by Greg writing in about that, that brought 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:28.280 up this story that I was telling these guys of there. 0:16:28.440 --> 0:16:31.680 I live in three Forks, Montana, and there was a 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:36.400 bar that back in the summer got robbed during like 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:39.320 the evening when it was full of people, and the 0:16:39.360 --> 0:16:42.160 guy came in and just sprayed everyone with bear spray, 0:16:42.760 --> 0:16:46.320 took the money and ran out. So while everyone's like 0:16:46.440 --> 0:16:50.360 blinded and coffin and whatnot, he's pulling money out of 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:53.880 the you know, the cash still at large, still the 0:16:53.960 --> 0:16:56.520 largest when caught them. I don't think they did. 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:58.920 You know that how they made that Ocean's eleven movie. 0:16:59.240 --> 0:17:06.520 You could make a really short like Oceans one. They're 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:10.320 really short, one of those heist movies where that guy 0:17:10.400 --> 0:17:14.080 just comes in that bear spray and grabs the stuff 0:17:14.080 --> 0:17:15.680 and runs out. It would be a short. Yeah, just 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:19.320 get it, be like a YouTube short called Oceans one. 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:22.640 Hopefully you could turn into a full length movie. And 0:17:22.760 --> 0:17:25.200 that happens in the beginning, and then the rest of the. 0:17:25.119 --> 0:17:27.120 Movie is, oh, just make a part of a movie. 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:29.080 Trying to trying to figure out who did it. 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:31.880 Did he recoup the cost of a bear spray because 0:17:31.880 --> 0:17:32.880 those are kind of expensive. 0:17:33.960 --> 0:17:36.400 Yeah, I don't know how much money was stolen he stole, Like. 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:38.600 Did they get the bar cleaned out and back in business? 0:17:39.560 --> 0:17:42.560 Yes they did, But I still hear every once in 0:17:42.560 --> 0:17:44.080 a while, like someone will be like I was in 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:47.639 the plaza and my skin got irritated when I was 0:17:47.680 --> 0:17:50.680 playing the the gambling machines or whatever. 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:54.320 Really because they're still like, yeah, I can't believe they 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:55.640 never caught him. 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:58.600 I didn't. I didn't hear that they that they caught him. 0:17:58.600 --> 0:17:59.919 Maybe they did, but I don't think so. 0:18:01.000 --> 0:18:04.240 When I was a little kid, my dad was my 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:06.639 mom and dad were out to dinner with some of 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:13.240 their friends and the other woman besides my mom, right, 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:17.000 she had a little thing of mace, and my dad 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:19.000 was curious about her some kind of spray and the 0:18:19.119 --> 0:18:22.760 key chain and he was curious about its range and 0:18:22.880 --> 0:18:29.640 shot it in the restaurant into a vent Oh, not realizing. 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:33.640 It's like, uh, you know, it's real strong. 0:18:33.720 --> 0:18:36.280 It's strength, and the whole place got evacuated. 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:38.120 Wow, did they nose him? 0:18:38.640 --> 0:18:47.240 Yeah. It became a often told story in my family. Yeah, 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:49.840 that's probably not a good thing, this guy says this 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:52.679 bear spray accidents. Listen to episode three sixty five, and 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:55.280 the part of bear spray going off randomly reminded me 0:18:55.359 --> 0:18:59.040 of being on a caribou hunt in Alaska. My friend 0:18:59.119 --> 0:19:01.360 Lewis and I come out of the tent and there's 0:19:01.440 --> 0:19:04.760 caribou on top of the hill outside camp. We grab 0:19:04.800 --> 0:19:06.560 our guns and packs and head off. That sounds like 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:11.000 caribou hunting. Louis is supposed to shoot first. He drops 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:14.399 his bag on a tussock. It lands on his bear spray, 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:18.359 causing it to go off. It shoots a stream of 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:21.840 spray across Lewis's chest, causing him to drop like a rock. 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:26.040 Between gas was air. He was yelling for me to 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:28.959 shoot the bull, which I happily did. 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:33.640 Hmmm, nice, at least they got the bowl. 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:36.360 Another time, I left canna spray in my eighty three 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:38.960 GMC pick up after a day hiking in July. Come 0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:41.280 back out the next morning and the canister had exploded 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:42.399 in my truck. That's common. 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:43.240 Yeah, I've heard that. 0:19:45.640 --> 0:19:48.439 Eventually got him clean by stripping all the interior parts 0:19:48.440 --> 0:19:51.399 out in pressure washing them. I've heard of cars getting totaled. 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:53.000 From you know I have. I have bear spray in 0:19:53.040 --> 0:19:56.600 my bag right now because we're in a bury area. 0:19:56.840 --> 0:19:57.919 What are you gonna do get it out of your 0:19:57.920 --> 0:19:58.840 bag when he comes for you? 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:02.359 Well, no, I just listen to my story. Okay, it's 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:04.840 in my just my Duffel bag. I was gonna I 0:20:05.240 --> 0:20:07.240 don't know if I thought I needed. I was gonna 0:20:07.240 --> 0:20:09.359 put it in my little hearts thing. But I have 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:12.760 I think at Walmart, I got you know, like pub 0:20:12.880 --> 0:20:17.879 mix stuff comes into like a plastic cylinder. I have 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:21.200 it in that thing kind of wrapped up so it's 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:23.320 not just bouncing around in there with the lid on. 0:20:23.400 --> 0:20:24.560 And that's how I transport it. 0:20:24.800 --> 0:20:27.439 I keep mine in a mini animal can because you 0:20:27.440 --> 0:20:28.920 can put two or three of them in a mini 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:31.440 animal can and it's got a little foam in there 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:33.159 to keep it from rattling around. But that way you 0:20:33.200 --> 0:20:35.440 can cut loose and nothing's coming out of there. 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:37.200 So if you're gonna have in your car, put it 0:20:37.240 --> 0:20:38.120 in something like that. 0:20:38.760 --> 0:20:43.000 There are a couple instances where pepper sprays have taken 0:20:43.040 --> 0:20:45.320 down aircraft, small aircraft. 0:20:45.600 --> 0:20:47.280 I believe that Alaska. 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:49.960 Yeah, well I'm sure probably, I'm sure it's having a 0:20:49.960 --> 0:20:51.480 Canada as well. But yeah, I want to cut cut 0:20:51.520 --> 0:20:53.400 loose in the in the cockpit. So German, you fly 0:20:53.560 --> 0:20:55.800 with bush planes, they take your spray and they tape it. 0:20:56.520 --> 0:20:59.280 They duct tape it to the struts on the wings. 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:01.080 But there's ben cases like that. And there was an 0:21:01.119 --> 0:21:06.000 air wreck not long ago where they weren't able to 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:12.399 determine the cause. Inside the cockpit everything was orange, but 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:16.960 they could never determine. It was inconclusive whether the can 0:21:17.160 --> 0:21:22.720 erupted upon impact. Oh there's the can erupted and caused 0:21:22.760 --> 0:21:23.600 the plane to crash. 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:27.520 Yep, we've been flying in Alaska before where you look 0:21:27.560 --> 0:21:32.160 out the window and that can start shaking it. 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:39.600 Shit, that's like that movie Gods must be crazy, remember 0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:43.760 that movie. All of a sudden, here you are and 0:21:43.760 --> 0:21:46.959 then here's a temper spray. It comes down. We've been 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:49.399 having some discussions. This is more listener feedback. We've been 0:21:49.440 --> 0:21:53.760 having some discussions about, Well, there's another thing I was 0:21:53.760 --> 0:21:55.800 gonna talk about, but it's so talked about now everyone 0:21:55.840 --> 0:21:58.480 I know of sense to me a tragedy. Were in Virginia, 0:21:58.520 --> 0:22:02.840 a bear hunter. Everybody's seen this. Everybody's seen its near mind. 0:22:03.680 --> 0:22:05.200 A bear hunter was killed. They shot a bear in 0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:06.800 a bear fellow ovatry and landed on a guy and 0:22:06.880 --> 0:22:10.840 killed him. But it's so heavily commented on and reported 0:22:10.920 --> 0:22:16.240 on and misconstrued. We've been discussing lately when when states 0:22:16.240 --> 0:22:21.320 he's recip a thing called reciprocity for management purposes around 0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:24.840 hunting and fishing regulations. An example of what we're talking 0:22:24.840 --> 0:22:30.920 about would be this, Uh, in North Dakota, you can 0:22:31.000 --> 0:22:36.840 spear pike through the ice only if a North Dakotan 0:22:39.040 --> 0:22:42.240 would be allowed to spear pike through the ice in 0:22:42.280 --> 0:22:48.960 your state or province. You tracking all, let me give 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:53.520 you this one. Let me give you an example. This 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:57.160 just changed, but let me give you an example. Montana, 0:22:57.880 --> 0:22:59.240 Oh yeah, I know where you're going with this one. 0:22:59.359 --> 0:23:06.760 Prohibit non residents from trapping fur bearing animals and not 0:23:06.960 --> 0:23:07.760 non game. 0:23:07.600 --> 0:23:09.880 Unless their state allows unless. 0:23:10.720 --> 0:23:17.280 No, no, they just forbid non residents. Oh yeah, they're 0:23:17.320 --> 0:23:20.600 the ones that started it, Montana. They just changed it. 0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:23.720 But Montana will not sell a fur harvester license to 0:23:23.760 --> 0:23:24.479 a non resident. 0:23:24.600 --> 0:23:28.919 Oh well, before that, it wasn't me out. Okay, you 0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:31.480 tell everybody. No. I thought at one point in time 0:23:32.280 --> 0:23:37.080 it was a non resident could trap in Montana if 0:23:37.160 --> 0:23:39.840