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Speaker 1: E dot com. This episode is gonna be called muzzle

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Speaker 1: order blues. I have, well, yeah, unless Seth's trying to

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Speaker 1: launch a new show called Tain't Talk but because he's

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Speaker 1: been listening to a lot of health and wellness podcasts.

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Speaker 1: But mussloader blues because once again I have failed to

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Speaker 1: uh get it done, as they say, with my muzzloader. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just don't have the skills man, Like you know

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Speaker 1: a tool. I'm a rifle man. Let me the kind

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Speaker 1: of center fire.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's got to be similar to like archery, Like

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Speaker 3: you're not getting any further away than you would in archery,

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Speaker 3: and you got it, you got close.

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Speaker 1: But archery you get to you get to hunt before

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Speaker 1: the gun hunter. Archery you get first cracks and mussloader.

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Speaker 1: You get last cracks, meaning people been terrorizing these port animals,

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Speaker 1: and then you gotta you try to further antagonize them

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Speaker 1: when they're kind of tuned into the what's up?

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Speaker 2: Yeah archery, all your arrows work too, and yeah it's going.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know that the boat's going off when I

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Speaker 1: let her go, she's going, she's going. Yeah. A lot

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Speaker 1: of stuff like I wrote in with a business idea

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Speaker 1: from a podcast, and I get a lot of these,

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Speaker 1: but this one I wanted to His name is Brian.

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Speaker 1: I just wanted to get you guys feeling on it

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Speaker 1: because I'm having a hard time understanding it.

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Speaker 2: I have.

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Speaker 1: I didn't invent this, but if you have a bill

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Speaker 1: cap on, I'm gonna put my bill cap on. A

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Speaker 1: demonstrator had my buyos too.

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Speaker 2: They're just in your truck, and we got a set

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Speaker 2: of vinyls. Same. You want to grab those?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I canep grabb those set of binyls out of

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Speaker 1: the truck. So here I put my bill cap on

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Speaker 1: and I'm gonna demonstrate a strategy of knock a knocking

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Speaker 1: byo knocking binocular strategy. What I was talking about is

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Speaker 1: that you can use your bill again I didn't. I

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Speaker 1: didn't invent this. It's always then around. But these are

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Speaker 1: stabilizing pinoclars, so it's less relevant here I'm holding the parabindoctors.

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Speaker 1: Let's say these aren't stabilized binoculars. You forew people watching

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Speaker 1: at home not listening when you hold them up.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever? You know this trick? Every knows this trick.

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Speaker 1: You clamp, You clamp your uh fingers. You your ratchet

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Speaker 1: your binos. Where's that camera? You ratchet your bino's to

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Speaker 1: the bill of your hat, and if you want to

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Speaker 1: get mega stable, you pull slightly so I'm pinching them.

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Speaker 2: M hmm. I like to get the hands. I like

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Speaker 2: to uh, I like to get the hands a little

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Speaker 2: more on the side, like yes, that way, it's like

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Speaker 2: put it's like putting blinders up. That's not the right

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Speaker 3: No, that is that then you can get all you

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Speaker 3: basically grab it with the binos with your palms.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you put all four fingers on your.

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Speaker 1: So you're like a dude from college in the nineties,

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Speaker 1: you know when you used to wrap your hat around

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Speaker 1: a beer can.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, But that if you do that then,

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Speaker 2: especially when the sun's out. Yeah, put your blinders.

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Speaker 1: Up, because I run Backstreet boys when it's sunny out.

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Speaker 2: He did that.

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Speaker 1: Do you know what I'm saying? So the son's over here,

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Speaker 1: I run it like this, right.

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Speaker 2: But if you apply to our method, do you want to? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: And then I'm boned on this. So then you're see

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Speaker 1: what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: You're stable and you're not getting any leak or light

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Speaker 2: leaking inside. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I can see it a little

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Speaker 1: bit either way. The what I have in BET, I

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Speaker 1: didn't invent that. But what I did in BET was this.

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Speaker 1: I invented the poll, just one. No one had done that.

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Speaker 2: There's not a soul in the world that has ever

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Speaker 1: Not not. When you put a slight pull for extra stability.

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Speaker 1: A guy heard me talking about this named Brian.

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Speaker 2: Okay, slight poll, huh yeah, locks in if you like,

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Speaker 2: I feel like a push would lock in.

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Speaker 1: No that it's hitting your eyes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, then you're stable against your face.

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Speaker 1: I can't explain it better. Later, this guy writes in Brian,

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Speaker 1: if you switch the letters in his name around, you

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Speaker 1: get brain. He says, I just had an idea. Well, first,

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Speaker 1: he says, hey, Steve. He says, I just had an idea.

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Speaker 1: I heard your podcast regarding the trick. Now listen carefully

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Speaker 1: because I get confused for this. I heard your podcast

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Speaker 1: regarding the trick to hang on to binoculars using the

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Speaker 1: bill of your bill, cap bill of your cap, and

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Speaker 1: he uppercases bill com I thought, why not come up

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Speaker 1: with a strap system. Now here's where you gotta start

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Speaker 1: paying attention. A strap system that goes around the binoculars. Comma,

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Speaker 1: so forget though, I thought, why not come up with

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Speaker 1: a strap system that goes around the binoculars. Comma, hold

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Speaker 1: him into the exact place you want, and a strap

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Speaker 1: then runs over the top of your head and attaches

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Speaker 1: underneath your shoulders. Wow, binoculars stay glued to your eyes.

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Speaker 3: Hard to them away, fail to see.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want you boys to get uncomfortable. By

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Speaker 1: I'm removing my belt, you're thinking you eat or did

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Speaker 1: something bad, or I'm gonna do something bad. Neither is true.

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Speaker 1: He's saying, Man, there's so many straps. He's saying something

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Speaker 1: to this effect, and then under the under back under

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Speaker 1: my armpits. At that point, I think that's it, You're like,

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Speaker 1: he just essentially would have been this is a business idea.

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Speaker 3: Well essentially what he'd piggybacked off of wash kevlar helmet.

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Speaker 1: No, he's right.

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Speaker 2: Look, yeah, it's almost like almost like a set of

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Speaker 2: nods on help.

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Speaker 1: What he's not thinking of is that you can't go

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Speaker 2: You gotta be able to flip him up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because you can't find like, uh, you'd be tripping

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Speaker 1: over stuff. Yeah, you can't drive to your spot.

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Speaker 2: You can't be running around all day on twelve power.

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Speaker 1: So any feedback would be wonderful. Keep keep plugging away

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Speaker 1: at it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think it's gotta be uh, you know, like your

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Speaker 2: fancy coon hunting hat, it's got the inner liner. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think, uh quick, it's got to be something on

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Speaker 2: there that you can flip them up and pop them down.

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Speaker 3: I'd pay good money to see Steve roll around the

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Speaker 3: planes and the kevlar with just some nods on it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah every time. Yeah yeah, and then if you fall,

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Speaker 2: you protect it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was making a I was making an argument. Their day.

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Speaker 1: My boy is, my older boy is tangled up at

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Speaker 1: school and speech and debate class, m h I remember

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Speaker 1: being Yeah, speech and debate is what it's called I

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Speaker 1: went down to the to the orientation with my wife,

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Speaker 1: and when they asked for questions, I was dying to

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Speaker 1: ask a question, but I didn't. And then I told

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Speaker 1: my wife, I said, I'm gonna tell you something, and

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Speaker 1: you're not gonna like take it seriously. You're just gonna

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Speaker 1: you're gonna like be mildly offended, and you're not gonna

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Speaker 1: really listen to what I'm saying, Okay, And I was saying,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't without knowing the ethics of a child, I

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Speaker 1: don't think it makes sense to train them in speech

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Speaker 1: and debate. And I said to her, I had I

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Speaker 1: came up with this slogan, Today's children are tomorrow's enemies.

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Speaker 2: WHOA, it's great, so.

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Speaker 1: Picture it's great.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's great.

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Speaker 1: This is a mildly and defensible position. But think about it.

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Speaker 1: What I was saying is like, here, you got a

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Speaker 1: whole class from your kids. I don't know what their

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Speaker 1: belief systems are, but but here we are like, like,

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Speaker 1: you donate your time, time or money to train them

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Speaker 1: to be persuasive without knowing what their belief system is.

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Speaker 1: How do you know you're not training someone who would

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Speaker 1: be adversarial to your position? Training them and making them

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Speaker 1: more convincing, thereby creating a future enemy.

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Speaker 2: I think that happens.

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Speaker 1: I think you would first vet you, you'd vet them

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Speaker 1: to find the ones that you kind of agree with,

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Speaker 1: and then train them one speech and debate.

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Speaker 2: How would you vet them?

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Speaker 1: And who's the questionnaire? I would do the questionnaire, but

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Speaker 2: Be that would be, that would be.

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Speaker 1: To you and your belief Yes, and you'd have to

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Speaker 1: try out for speech and debate. And I would accord

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Speaker 1: in and volunteer to come in and be like, yes no.

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Speaker 2: To speech and debate. According according to you're right, your

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Speaker 1: I told her, and I've yet to have her come

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Speaker 2: You'd have to have a board of people who like.

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Speaker 1: Then I'd have to be able to vet the board,

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Speaker 2: To pick the board.

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Speaker 1: Then you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm just saying if you wanted to keep it fair,

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Speaker 2: or or you don't want to keep it fair, you

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Speaker 2: just want people to believe what you believe.

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Speaker 1: Can I give you a piece of Can I give

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Speaker 1: you some listener feedback about this?

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Speaker 1: This is all tee and up listener feedback. It's a

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Speaker 1: great subject line. Uh, it starts out my three favorite

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Speaker 1: four favorite words. Steve was one correct.

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Speaker 2: That's how it starts out.

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Speaker 1: Steve is, Steve is one correct about debate class and

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Speaker 1: here's a real life example why dying to know. Yep,

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Speaker 1: Steve is spot on when he says that teaching debate

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Speaker 1: separate from ethics is dangerous. That's not really what I said,

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Speaker 1: but sure my daughter did. It's a state champ debate

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Speaker 1: guy who is a class AA hole when their relationships hours,

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Speaker 1: he is expert at convincing her that the reason things

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Speaker 1: have gone bad is because of her. He never takes

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Speaker 1: His ability to win either side of a debate has

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Speaker 1: given him the notion that he is never wrong because

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Speaker 1: he can always justify his position in his mind and

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Speaker 1: convinces her that she isnt the wrong because he is

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Speaker 1: able to twist the situation and deflect blame back on her.

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Speaker 1: One need this is the letter. I'm still reading the letter.

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Speaker 1: One need to only be convincing in a debate, not ethical, moral,

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Speaker 1: or write, and therein lies the issue. Signed a piste off, Dad,

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Speaker 1: Did you write that letter and No, that wasn't what

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Speaker 1: I was getting at. I was more getting at I

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Speaker 1: don't want to train up by my like these other

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Speaker 1: you know I've worried about, like the whole classroom of kids,

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Speaker 1: like some of them are gonna have viewpoints different than mine,

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Speaker 1: and then they become convincing, And what if they come

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Speaker 1: convince me is something that I don't want to be convinced.

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Speaker 2: So you're just you're you're ultimately scared of change. M

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Speaker 2: h m. That's right, Seth.

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Speaker 1: Can you can you share your reporting about bear spray?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, this is probably your first piece of original reporting.

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Speaker 1: Another time, I left canna spray in my eighty three

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Speaker 2: I believe that Alaska.

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Speaker 1: I know of sense to me a tragedy. Were in Virginia,

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Speaker 1: Prohibit non residents from trapping fur bearing animals and not

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Speaker 2: Unless their state allows unless.

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Speaker 1: No, no, they just forbid non residents. Oh yeah, they're

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Speaker 1: No, because Montana is the one that said you can't. Gotcha,

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Speaker 2: Gotcha.

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Speaker 1: Now you could come to Montana trap fox. You'd come

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Speaker 1: fur bearing animals. So a case of reciprocity would be

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Speaker 2: Gotcha.

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Speaker 1: And so it would be that if you lived in Montana,

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Speaker 1: That's a case of reciprocity. There's a reciprocity, Like I said,

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Speaker 2: Gotcha.

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Speaker 1: I was a while ago I was musing about whether

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Speaker 2: Fee that was the case. I hope they banned deer

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Speaker 1: Well, that's where it becomes interesting because if you have,

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Speaker 1: are coming adversarial to hunters and hunters, trappers, fishermen, right yep.

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Speaker 1: And then you know, like Washington when they during the pandemic,

438
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Speaker 1: they banned fishing by yourself. Like if you had a

439
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:09,119
Speaker 1: pond in your yard, you could go out there and

440
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:13,560
Speaker 1: shoot golf balls into that pond during COVID, but there

441
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 1: was a period of time when you couldn't go there

442
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,920
Speaker 1: and cast into that pond.

443
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, just you know, keeping everyone safe.

444
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:27,159
Speaker 1: Yeah. So as you have states Colorado, well Colorado has

445
00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:32,120
Speaker 1: beat one of these things, but Colorado, Washington, California, other

446
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 1: states in the East. As you have these states that

447
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: are becoming like super restrictive, you create kind of like

448
00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:43,080
Speaker 1: a hunting and fishing refugees that then carry on all

449
00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:47,160
Speaker 1: their activities elsewhere, meaning Washington State. They like, they're very

450
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 1: sting they don't they don't want to manage predators. They're

451
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,320
Speaker 1: very stingy with big game tags. And so you create

452
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Speaker 1: a lot of hunting refugees who move into neighboring states

453
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Speaker 1: and Montana, right, So should you like, would a state

454
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: ever say, like, listen, if you're gonna if like, let's

455
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,640
Speaker 1: say Colorado had passed the Mountain Lane, but no, let's

456
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Speaker 1: stay with California, California bands trapping the band hunting cats,

457
00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: hunting lines. Would Montana ever be like, Okay, if that's

458
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 1: how you guys are about this, then your people cannot

459
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 1: come here and do that here.

460
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: They won't do that because it drives too much revenue.

461
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: Well, Yanni says, you're punishing the wrong people. Yeah, Yanni says,

462
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 1: like if Colorado had passed their Mountain Lion ban, so

463
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Speaker 1: then you want to further punish those people in Colorado

464
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Speaker 1: in saying they can't go elsewhere to do it.

465
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Speaker 2: People who agree with the Mountain Lion Band Colorado just

466
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 2: can't even come to Montana at all. They just have

467
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 2: to stay there, but we'll take the hunters.

468
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Speaker 1: That'd be fine with me. I feel like gloating all

469
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 1: over again about that not passing, But.

470
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Speaker 2: You can if you want.

471
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Speaker 1: You know what I came up with that I haven't

472
00:28:05,520 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: had a chance to use yet is a high know

473
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:17,560
Speaker 1: you know the rhino is Yes, what hunter? Namely, that'd

474
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Speaker 1: be like the hunters that were for the Mountain Lion

475
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Speaker 1: Band in Colorado.

476
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,680
Speaker 2: High knows like I'm a hunter.

477
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 1: I hunt pheasants once a decade, and I support the

478
00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 1: ban on mountain lions. That was a thing.

479
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 2: That was a high Yeah, that was the thing. That's crazy.

480
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,440
Speaker 1: Anyways, this guy writes in about reciprocty right for this,

481
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: the state of Ohio does not require resident landowners to

482
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Speaker 1: purchase a hunting license or deer tag to hunt their property.

483
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 2: Wow.

484
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 1: Really a minimum of five acres? I had no idea.

485
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:57,360
Speaker 1: Is that true? The state of Ohio does not require

486
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,480
Speaker 1: resident landowner to purchase a hunting license or deer tag

487
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: to hunt their own property if they have a minimum

488
00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: of five acres.

489
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's true in multiple states. I think

490
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 2: it was like that in New Jersey.

491
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Speaker 1: This privilege extends to the landowner's spouse and children. Resident

492
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: landowners still have to tag their deer, report them and

493
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: are subject to bag limits and all the other wrecks.

494
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: I had no idea.

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Speaker 2: I want to say, I could be wrong on this,

496
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 2: but I want to say New Jersey was like that,

497
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: and you just go pick up your tags. But if

498
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 2: you're hunting your own place, you're on your own place,

499
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 2: and it's a above a certain acres, you just go

500
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Speaker 2: get your tags.

501
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: I can't say I have a problem with that. I

502
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: don't know. I didn't know. That surprises me.

503
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 2: That's fine. Whatever. Well, it's like, do you know.

504
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:48,200
Speaker 1: That in Wisconsin, if you're on your own land, you're

505
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 1: exempt from small game regulations or something like that. I

506
00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: think you can hunt squirrels year around. Really, I think

507
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: so Doug's probably having a heart attack on skits deer

508
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:05,680
Speaker 1: right now. They you see Doug free Doug. He goes on,

509
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 1: are you ready for this? Okay, so we've established this

510
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:14,800
Speaker 1: resident landowner Ohio. Okay, all that a non resident you're

511
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: tracking A non resident Ohio landowner and spouse and children

512
00:30:20,760 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: may hunt their property without a license or deer tags

513
00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: if the non resident state of residence.

514
00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 2: My god, oh, I feel like we need to draw

515
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 2: this out.

516
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I get it, but I'm just okay, we've

517
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: established that more than eight times. We've established if you're

518
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: in Ohio, you're a resident, you're hunting your own pad,

519
00:30:46,840 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 1: you got more than five acres, you still got to

520
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: abide by the hunting lawsby don't need a tag. Now,

521
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:56,680
Speaker 1: the state of Ohio does not require resident landowners to

522
00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:00,880
Speaker 1: purchase the hunting license or deer tag to hunt their property.

523
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 2: Okay, mm hmm, I've already read that. Oh my god,

524
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,760
Speaker 2: just screwing itself so bad, the non resident part.

525
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,080
Speaker 1: Screwing it up bad? Do you think about running for

526
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:19,440
Speaker 1: political office? But I'd have a bad time in the debate.

527
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 2: You'd be like I lost seconds.

528
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:33,480
Speaker 1: I'd be like, that's not gonna work for me. Okay, writing, Okay,

529
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: we've established that. Now, going on, a non resident Ohio

530
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 1: land owner, an spouse, some children may hunt their property okay,

531
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Speaker 1: without a license or deer tags if the non resident

532
00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: state of residence allows non resident landowners to hunt their

533
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 1: land without a license or deer tags.

534
00:31:55,320 --> 00:32:00,959
Speaker 2: Okay. So if I lived in Pennsylvania and they allow

535
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 2: that same thing, which they don't.

536
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,720
Speaker 1: But they'd have to allow a dude in Ohio.

537
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: But I own property Inhio. Ohio, I would be allowed

538
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 2: to do the same thing in Ohio because Ohio has

539
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: that same rule.

540
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: Does Pennsylvania charge a non resident a deer license if

541
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,640
Speaker 1: the non resident owns land in Pennsylvania, that's.

542
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Speaker 2: What he's saying. Well, I mean Pennsylvania doesn't do that anyway.

543
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:29,880
Speaker 1: Okay, so then they're out.

544
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, God, that's confusing. Well he goes on. Oh jeez,

545
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 2: to the best of my knowledge, Oh nope, back up.

546
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: As a Michigan resident, he's going to is everybody.

547
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 2: Tracking, He's a Michigan residence.

548
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: Is like a tongue.

549
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,520
Speaker 2: This is intellectually, he's a Michigan resident who owns property

550
00:32:53,520 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 2: in Ohio.

551
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 1: I don't know that yet. Yes he is. Okay, everybody tracking, Yeah,

552
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 1: everybody track, Ye listen to this kind of stuff keeps

553
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 1: you from getting dementialator in life or yeah no, just

554
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: little brain twisters. Okay, as a Michigan resident where residents going,

555
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: he goes on as a Michigan resident where residents, non residents,

556
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: landowners and non landowners must have a hunting license and

557
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: deer tag. And an Ohio landowner, let me cut the

558
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: parenthetical off.

559
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 2: You read that too fast.

560
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: As a Michigan resident and an Ohio landowner, my family

561
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: and I do not benefit from this reciprocity.

562
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 2: Because Michigan doesn't allow it.

563
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 1: Because Michigan doesn't let non residents who happen to own

564
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 1: a place in Michigan hunt in Michigan without their Michigan

565
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 1: Deer license. This is chapped. This guy's asked enough that

566
00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,960
Speaker 1: he's done some research. To the best of my knowledge,

567
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 1: the only state's residents that benefit from this reciprocity arrangement

568
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:13,960
Speaker 1: are Ohio. In no other state they've created a reciprocity

569
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: rule that doesn't apply to anyone. If you can prove

570
00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:24,919
Speaker 1: this man wrong, that's my kind of reciprocity law makes

571
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,120
Speaker 1: you seem super lenient, But in fact, when you get

572
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: into the details, no one applies.

573
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 2: It's not catered to anyone. Yeah, huh, maybe it was.

574
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 3: Well, I'd also be curious to know, as this Michigan resident,

575
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 3: how hard is it for him, as a landowner in

576
00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 3: Ohio to get a tag in Ohio, Like if it's

577
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 3: still like over the counter.

578
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got pay cup hundred bucks.

579
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 2: Well yeah, but like why is he complaining because.

580
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: You watch your pennies and dollars take care of themselves.

581
00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 2: Fair fine, Yeah.

582
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,800
Speaker 1: He goes on, Okay, no, it's just he totally changes

583
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 1: the subject. But it's not a non sequitor because he

584
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: put down PS, which sort of announces it as you know,

585
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 1: you're announcing it's a non sequitur PS not relating. And

586
00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:17,759
Speaker 1: he also says, not related to the above, PS. Not

587
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:22,759
Speaker 1: related to the above, but another Ohio reciprocal agreement. This

588
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: is different. This is interesting management. We'll talk about this

589
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 1: because I like this, but it's different. Ohio and West

590
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: Virginia allow residents of either state to hunt waterfowl and

591
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 1: fish on the Ohio River without having a license from

592
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:41,320
Speaker 1: the other state. That's common. Yeah, that's common where for instance,

593
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: New York and Pennsylvania and the Delaware River, they make

594
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: a instead of creating Let's say you have one situation

595
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,160
Speaker 1: where Pennsylvania says you're allowed six small mouth to day

596
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: and New York says you're allowed for a small mouth today,

597
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: and you got this river that's you know, shoot a

598
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: bowick cross. You create all kinds of problems. So what

599
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: states will often do in those situations is they'll come

600
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 1: and make the states will agree, they'll make a river

601
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:16,320
Speaker 1: bag limit, a river set of regulations, and allow anyone

602
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,520
Speaker 1: from the bordering states to fish the river.

603
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:21,040
Speaker 2: YEP.

604
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 1: An interesting spot where this little bit of reciprocity does

605
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 1: not exist is the Saint Mary's River, which divides Michigan.

606
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:32,240
Speaker 1: For there's probably many other places. The Saint Mary's which

607
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: divides Michigan with Canada with Ontario. You need to pay

608
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:43,320
Speaker 1: attention where you are because there's a magical line running

609
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 1: out in the middle of that stuff, and you got

610
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 1: to know what side of that line you're on, even

611
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: in your boat.

612
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:52,919
Speaker 2: I want to say. That's the thing on the Mississippi too.

613
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: You know there are some spots in the Mississippi like

614
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: that because remember a bass professional basque guy disqualified from

615
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: a tournament because he had strayed across some invisible line

616
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: and was actually fishing at different states waters and they

617
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:09,040
Speaker 1: had a different bag limit in those states or something

618
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:09,399
Speaker 1: like that.

619
00:37:09,680 --> 00:37:10,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think.

620
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 1: It, but I like it when they come together and

621
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 1: do those little deals.

622
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 2: Right What about uh? Like people fish in Lake Michigan

623
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 2: from the Michigan side, but make a big run? Is

624
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: there is there? Say it again? Like if you're fishing Lake, Michigan,

625
00:37:29,640 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: and you launch in Michigan, but make a big run

626
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,480
Speaker 2: and you're like closer to Wisconsin.

627
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: I don't know how that. I don't know how Michigan

628
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 1: Wisconsin do it. That's a great question. We never fished

629
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: that far out. That's a lot. That's the ways. Yeah,

630
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: I got buddies that do. I don't know what they.

631
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if you got I'm guessing there on

632
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 1: that lake of that size, I'm guessing you need to

633
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,120
Speaker 1: get a license when you cross the state line and

634
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: the state line runs out in the water. Here's a

635
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: guy on the same subject. Ready for this, yep. He

636
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,960
Speaker 1: says he was listening to the podcast this morning in

637
00:38:08,000 --> 00:38:12,479
Speaker 1: his tree stand and killed the dough and he says,

638
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,759
Speaker 1: take that for what it's worth. Then he goes out

639
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 1: to say, towards the end, they meaning we mentioned a

640
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,919
Speaker 1: write in where a guy complained about being a landowner

641
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 1: and having to pay non resident fees. I remember this guy.

642
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: He's like, how in the hell can I have h

643
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: He's griping because he's like, I live in whatever, I

644
00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,240
Speaker 1: don't know whether this Michigan and I own a place

645
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 1: in Ohio. I shouldn't have to pay non resident fees

646
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,359
Speaker 1: in Ohio. But think about the can of worms you're

647
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: opening up there, right, Like, Okay, do you want to

648
00:38:50,200 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: file taxes in both states? Do you wanna? You know

649
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,120
Speaker 1: what I mean? There's like there's a thousand things right

650
00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: that you would probably not like if that was true. Well,

651
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 1: he don't, you know, I'm I'm not giving him full credit.

652
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,560
Speaker 1: He does pay taxes. He pays land taxes there. But

653
00:39:11,560 --> 00:39:13,400
Speaker 1: the way the whole country set up, you got to

654
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: be a resident of a state. It's just how It's

655
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 1: just it's hard to get around that. He goes on

656
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: to say this. Towards the end, they mentioned a writing

657
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:23,839
Speaker 1: where a guy complained about being a landowner and having

658
00:39:23,880 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 1: to pay non resident fees. I do the same thing. However,

659
00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,240
Speaker 1: I live in Tennessee and hunt in Alabama. I wish

660
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: the roles were reversed. But if you're born in Tennessee,

661
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 1: you can apply every year for non resident native to

662
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:47,920
Speaker 1: Tennessee licenses. Damn, Idaho has that thing the lifetime, Yeah,

663
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:50,600
Speaker 1: Idaho had it for it's no longer the way, but

664
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 1: you could get grandfathered in on it at once upon

665
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 1: a time, and a lot of dudes took advantage of this.

666
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 1: They knew they weren't gonna stay in Idaho. I could

667
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 1: name names. And one of them likes to complain about

668
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: anyone getting any kind of benefit, like anytime someone draws

669
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: a tag, he's like down on them. But this individual,

670
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: you guys know and love, ran out and bought his

671
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 1: lifetime Idaho license before moving away from Idaho so that

672
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: he could continue to dodge fees and hunt as a

673
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 1: resident in Ohio. I thought you can still, and he

674
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 1: cries foul at any advantage that anybody gets when it

675
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,600
Speaker 1: comes to getting a tag. He wishes he got.

676
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:37,720
Speaker 2: I thought you can still do that in Idahoo.

677
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: I think they got rid of I don't think it

678
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: works that way anymore. But if you said, oh, I

679
00:40:43,560 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: drew a big horn tag in Idaho, he's gonna give

680
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: you a big ol' eye roll. Must be nice.

681
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Speaker 3: Is this Is this the same fella that's also not

682
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:58,000
Speaker 3: very lucky when it comes to drawing, Yes, because.

683
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Speaker 1: Way way it's taking this gradually taking a toll on them. Yeah,

684
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:07,799
Speaker 1: it's taking it. It's taking a psychological toll. But they

685
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 1: did that.

686
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:09,239
Speaker 2: They did that.

687
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: Montana has a coming home to hunt. I can't remember

688
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 1: who was talking to you about this, it's like if

689
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: you like, it's meant to be that. Like, let's say

690
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 1: you have a family and you your you have kids,

691
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,360
Speaker 1: and your your kids go away. It gives advantage to

692
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,959
Speaker 1: your kids to get tags so you can come home

693
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: to hunt. The coming home to hunt hunt.

694
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,719
Speaker 3: Is that still like an application process or is it

695
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:33,720
Speaker 3: like kind of like an OTC.

696
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 1: I think it's in a different I don't know.

697
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: I think that's just different. Different got a different price,

698
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 2: I think so.

699
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:51,239
Speaker 1: Uh, this gentleman says, uh, attached to this email's application.

700
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: It would be cool to see more states do this. Also,

701
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: y'all joked about voting in two different states. Oddly enough,

702
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:02,880
Speaker 1: my former police chief wasn't indicted for doing that and

703
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:07,919
Speaker 1: several other charges earlier this year. Was or wasn't It

704
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: was not? I think he must have meant was probably

705
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: when that came that came up, and when we did that,

706
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: I think we did the episode. Yeah, remember we interviewed

707
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: were you there when we interviewed the women that got

708
00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: mauled by the otter? No, I was telling a story

709
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: on that one where I was in a restaurant overhearing

710
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: people next to me. There's a huge table full of

711
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 1: people and they were actually from an animal rights organization.

712
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:44,240
Speaker 1: They're having a dinner of Bozeman based animal rights organization

713
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 1: and I'm overhearing them and there's a guy plotting. I

714
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 1: got caught by my wife because I wasn't paying attention,

715
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 1: but she was telling me because I was so engrossed

716
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,760
Speaker 1: by what they were talking about. And he was plotting

717
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: than Illinois, but he wanted to be able to vote

718
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 1: in a swing state, so was switching all of his

719
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: stuff around to be able to go vote in Michigan. Wow,

720
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: because he wanted to vote in a swing state because

721
00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:19,040
Speaker 1: he wanted to vote against Trump. So then I said,

722
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:21,680
Speaker 1: when Trump says the election was rigged, I was like,

723
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:22,439
Speaker 1: well there's one.

724
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it ain't zero, ain't zero.

725
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 1: Uh Man. This guy, he even though we said we're

726
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: no longer going to talk about pre chewed food, he's

727
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 1: like asking if there could be one last little thing.

728
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:53,799
Speaker 2: No, well that's an in depth.

729
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,879
Speaker 1: Deal, man. He's got it's a lot in here.

730
00:43:58,920 --> 00:43:59,960
Speaker 2: He's got bullet points.

731
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:10,440
Speaker 1: Okay, there's a guy that's a tough one. There's a

732
00:44:10,480 --> 00:44:14,960
Speaker 1: guy that wrote in and he had some things to

733
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 1: say about making babies eat solid food and the advantages

734
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: of breastfeeding. Then another guy wrote in and said, what

735
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 1: does he know? He's a he's a DDS.

736
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 2: Okay, what's dds?

737
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 1: Dennis? And he laid out all these credentials and talked

738
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: about how this guy doesn't know what he's talking about.

739
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: Now he's got a rebuttal.

740
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 2: Uh when people say, what is what? What do they know?

741
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 2: He's just a dentist. How do you know that guy

742
00:44:47,320 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 2: isn't a hobbyist just like research some other topic when

743
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:58,279
Speaker 2: he goes home. Sorry, credibility. Yeah, when people say he

744
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 2: what did he know he's a dentist? What people don't

745
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 2: know that like maybe his hobby's going home and researching

746
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 2: that kind of Well here's where he came out. Swing.

747
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 2: I don't I don't have a degree in hunting whitetail bucks.

748
00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:13,160
Speaker 1: But you know, but it's like it's it's sort of

749
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: like a little bit generally be like generally accepted. Like

750
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,279
Speaker 1: if we're having an argument about George Washington, okay, and

751
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,040
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, he chopped down that cherry tree, you know,

752
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:24,400
Speaker 1: and lied about it. And then a guy's like, well,

753
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: I have a PhD in American history and I did

754
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: my dissertation on the my You know, my thesis was

755
00:45:35,719 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: on the veracity of the claim that George Washington chopped

756
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: down a cherry tree and lied about it. Now, if

757
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:46,360
Speaker 1: I'm hearing this conversation, I'm probably gonna be looking to

758
00:45:46,520 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: the PhD cherry chopper guy, Yeah, to maybe have a

759
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:53,719
Speaker 1: little more intel about that occurrence.

760
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 2: I understand that, but I I think sometimes people get

761
00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 2: a little carried away with sometimes.

762
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,439
Speaker 1: Yes, but in some areas, this guy was saying, hey, man,

763
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: it's better to breastfeed babies, and it's better to pre

764
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: chew food and give them meat and give them tough

765
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:14,800
Speaker 1: stuff to chew on, chewy steaks and whatnot, and that

766
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 1: we're creating muscular problems by giving babies all this soft food.

767
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: And he has little squeeze bottles. This other guy writes

768
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 1: in being like, you know, here's the deal. I'm the

769
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 1: real expert, and that's all bs is what he says.

770
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:34,879
Speaker 1: M Okay, the dentist said that this other dentist gotcha. Now,

771
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: this first denist comes back swinging because this other guy

772
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:43,160
Speaker 1: said his kid wants to fight that guy's kid.

773
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,960
Speaker 2: All right, let's hear it, dang, I'll tell you what

774
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 2: dentist that thinks right.

775
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: It's so it's so complicated, we really do, I really want.

776
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 2: To get into this. I probably agree with the dentist

777
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 2: who's all about eating deer meat and drinking milk.

778
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,680
Speaker 1: He starts out with a little dig because this guy

779
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: was saying in the end of it, he made a

780
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: joke like, hey, my kid'll fight your kid anytime. Okay,

781
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: now that so the first Dennis now writes in, and

782
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 1: he dresses his letter to the guy, so it's Max

783
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: on one side and Matthew on the other side. Max

784
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: wrote in saying, you should give your babies tough deer

785
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: meat to help their jaws develop. And when their jaws

786
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,919
Speaker 1: develop and their musculature develops, it helps them in all

787
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,479
Speaker 1: kinds of ways throughout life. Yeah, this other guy's saying

788
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,600
Speaker 1: that's horseshit. That guy's name is Matthew. The first guy's

789
00:47:35,640 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 1: Max Max Max. So now Matthew writes, Dear, honorable, honorable

790
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:45,760
Speaker 1: and distinguished colleague, Matthew, it's no shock that your baby

791
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: wants to fight mine. Kids are wild. But here's the kicker.

792
00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: There's a connection between sleep disordered breathing and ADHD in children.

793
00:47:58,560 --> 00:48:04,319
Speaker 1: ADHD's hallmark. Hyperactivity and emotional chaos can make kiddos more

794
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:09,800
Speaker 1: prone to throw hands in the playpen. A little slight

795
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: sticks the knife right in the ribs before he even

796
00:48:13,600 --> 00:48:14,280
Speaker 1: gets started.

797
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 2: He goes on.

798
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,879
Speaker 1: Now, you might be asking, what does sleep breathing have

799
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:26,680
Speaker 1: to do with my kid's weak jaw? Excellent question. Research

800
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:31,360
Speaker 1: shows a high prevalence of mallow clusion, underdeveloped jaws, and

801
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:36,920
Speaker 1: children with obstructive sleep avenue compared to the control group.

802
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:41,640
Speaker 1: Simply put, your kid's jaw might be slacking in their sleep,

803
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: and mood might be paying the price. And he goes next.

804
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: I imagine you saying you still haven't proven that my

805
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: baby's diet of squeeze bag peas and rubber nipples is

806
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: ruining their jaw, And you're right. Every kid responds differently.

807
00:48:57,360 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: But here's what research tells us. Breastfeeding is a positive

808
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 1: factor that seems to reduce the incidents of posterior crossbite,

809
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: skeletal class two and distal occlusion, and primary mixed dentician.

810
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,399
Speaker 2: I knew that. I didn't know.

811
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:22,080
Speaker 1: That animals raised on soft foods show more rotated and

812
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:28,280
Speaker 1: displaced teeth, crowded premolars, and absolutely and relatively narrower dental arches.

813
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: Get this, middle aged adults in rural Kentucky had better

814
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 1: occlusion than younger folks. The younger generation grew up eating

815
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:49,480
Speaker 1: commercially processed foods while their elders chomped on coarse, homemade fair.

816
00:49:57,800 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: Then he goes out with a bunch of disclaimers. Breastfeeding

817
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,880
Speaker 1: is noise easy, feeding kids course or foods feels like

818
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: a battle. We're all doing the best we can. But

819
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 1: he ends with this, here's my advice. Cheer up some venison,

820
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 1: spit it into your baby's bowl, and let the kid

821
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: take a nap.

822
00:50:17,239 --> 00:50:18,480
Speaker 2: That sounds like great advice.

823
00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, And then he has all the citations, Dirt, if

824
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 1: you want me to afford them to you.

825
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be nice.

826
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Speaker 4: Is this Is this a side of Stirring the Pot?

827
00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,480
Speaker 4: Is this an intro onto that that series?

828
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, Stirring the Pot. That's my next show, TV show,

829
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 1: stir in the Pot. You know what this?

830
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 2: Then I said, yeah.

831
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 1: I'll be like, hey, you know what's I'll call Dirt's girlfriend,

832
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: you know, hands checking in.

833
00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:49,719
Speaker 4: This is stirring the pot.

834
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 1: That's kind of weird thing there. And Scott just can't

835
00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:54,760
Speaker 1: stay thinking about the same dirt said there.

836
00:50:59,640 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 2: Anyway, how let you go.

837
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 4: I want to say, Hill, I.

838
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 2: Have a great night.

839
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,439
Speaker 1: He has dirt been field. Okay, you just said something

840
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: kind of strange about you there to night. Everything good.

841
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:17,960
Speaker 2: I wouldn't worry.

842
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: I know if everything's fine, I don't know. Don't you know?

843
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to portray his trust.

844
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:24,280
Speaker 2: Gotta go another call, come there, do me a favorite.

845
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 2: Don't tell my.

846
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 4: Called Stephen reneul Is is signing off for stirring the pot.

847
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: You know, I don't know. I mean, I want to

848
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,080
Speaker 1: talk about the mussloader, but mussloader hunt, but I don't.

849
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,440
Speaker 1: I don't have to talk about musslier hunt. Seth. You're

850
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:45,360
Speaker 1: an expert. How many do you kill the mussloader?

851
00:51:45,400 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 2: Seth? Well, at one point in time I killed more

852
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 2: white tails with the mussloader than a rifle al lock. Yeah,

853
00:51:53,480 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 2: but I surpassed that now. I don't know, six, seven, eight, ten,

854
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 2: I don't know. A handful, handful? Yeah, all bucks, Nope,

855
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,120
Speaker 2: not all bucks, some bucks, some bucks mostly does.

856
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:11,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. How many times have you dropped the hammer on

857
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,120
Speaker 1: a buck and the gun didn't go off or you

858
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: messed up something several?

859
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, no, go ahead. Well, how often was it

860
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:23,439
Speaker 2: a drive versus a like still hundred most most drives, yeah,

861
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:27,360
Speaker 2: most drives, maybe all drives. Yeah, I think all the

862
00:52:27,360 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 2: deer I've ever killed with a flint lock has been

863
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 2: from a deer drive. And a lot of times it's

864
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 2: me doing the driving with rather than watching and you

865
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:42,280
Speaker 2: double bump, you just well a lot of times you yeah, yeah,

866
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,239
Speaker 2: so you jump them up and they go down, get

867
00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 2: shot at and come back, so they're on the move

868
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 2: by that point. Yeah. Well sometimes yeah, uh, you.

869
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:58,080
Speaker 1: Know, I don't think i've even I have one time,

870
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:00,240
Speaker 1: I haven't tracked much with a round ball.

871
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 2: What do you mean like blood tracks?

872
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: By having blood track stuff that has hit by a

873
00:53:05,600 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 1: round ball. When we say a round ball, like we're

874
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:11,320
Speaker 1: talking about there's there's muzzleloaders, and there's flint locks and

875
00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:14,120
Speaker 1: flint locks. It's a whole different ball game, you know,

876
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:16,720
Speaker 1: because Muslims now, they're they're pretty sophisticated. You got inline

877
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: musloaders with special primers and everything's kind of sealed and

878
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,399
Speaker 1: doesn't get wet. But a flint lock's hard to hunt,

879
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:25,359
Speaker 1: hard to learn, you know. Yeah, And one thing about

880
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,120
Speaker 1: when you when you loading a flint lock, you're taking

881
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 1: like a lead sphere, you know, like a musketball and

882
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:33,880
Speaker 1: putting it down there. It's not conical.

883
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 2: Shaped, Nope, it's just a ball lead.

884
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: So when you're hitting a deer with that thing, when

885
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:40,920
Speaker 1: you recover that ball, what's to end up looking like?

886
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 2: Trying to think if I ever recovered one, I don't

887
00:53:49,600 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 2: remember every recovering one.

888
00:53:50,760 --> 00:53:54,080
Speaker 1: Does it mushroom out or does it just punch a hole?

889
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 2: I remember one time I shot a deer like right

890
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,640
Speaker 2: behind the sho shoulder, you know, double lunged, and it

891
00:54:02,760 --> 00:54:05,840
Speaker 2: was like it was the biggest blood trail I've ever

892
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 2: with that realm with the round ball. Yeah, yeah, I'd

893
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 2: love to see. I've never seen one like shot in

894
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 2: the Ballistic Jael or anything, so I honestly don't know

895
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 2: what it does in there. But yeah, I don't think

896
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:22,799
Speaker 2: I've ever recovered one. Just punch out and go go

897
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 2: about their business.

898
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: It'd be interesting to check out.

899
00:54:27,560 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 2: The blistic jail that it does in Blistic Jael. We

900
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 2: should do that.

901
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: We should shoot a bunch of flint locks and and

902
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,320
Speaker 1: uh shoot flint locks and the I mean the blissic

903
00:54:36,360 --> 00:54:37,840
Speaker 1: Jel doesn't know that it was a flint lock. But

904
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, shoot a bunch of black

905
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,279
Speaker 1: powder flint locks in the ballistic gel.

906
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 2: Ye, see what it actually does. I was surprised, how soft.

907
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,160
Speaker 2: What's the non round ball one we were using?

908
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: This is a conical or a prelude MAXI ball.

909
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:53,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, the conical.

910
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 4: How soft it was when you guys were round rodding it.

911
00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 2: That's lead for you man. Yeah, yeah, it gets misshaping.

912
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, it is not a hell oft say. It's

913
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 1: kind of got my ass handed to me on the

914
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,320
Speaker 1: most loader hunting A lot of close calls.

915
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's tough.

916
00:55:12,560 --> 00:55:16,000
Speaker 1: If I hadn't, like I announced a family moratorium on

917
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: killing milder dose, I had a lot of opportunities to

918
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:18,360
Speaker 1: shoot me.

919
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:19,760
Speaker 2: You could kill a lot of those.

920
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 1: But o, nap man, just tough hunting a spot. I'm

921
00:55:24,719 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 1: not hunting the spot. I haven't hunted deer on hard before.

922
00:55:27,160 --> 00:55:29,160
Speaker 1: I kind of would go about it different now now

923
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: that I kind of understand how they do what they

924
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,439
Speaker 1: do and what their tolerances are.

925
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 2: The thing about about muzzlerter like flint lock musslater hunting

926
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 2: is there's a set of challenges to get close to

927
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 2: a deer with get to get within range. And then

928
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 2: once you get in range and it comes time to shoot,

929
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 2: there's like a another You open up the door and

930
00:55:51,400 --> 00:55:52,879
Speaker 2: there's another set of challenges there.

931
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 1: We the the hammer cocking on those things. We are

932
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: they crept up on one, uh, crept up on a

933
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 1: mule deer and couldn't really determine, but it seems like

934
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 1: the hammer cocking, Yeah, spooked it. It's loud. What I

935
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,879
Speaker 1: started doing now is our cock it ahead of time,

936
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:16,719
Speaker 1: but pulling the set triggers loud.

937
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:21,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, the cocks. The pulling the hammerbags loud. The

938
00:56:21,280 --> 00:56:25,520
Speaker 2: set triggers loud. And then just like these evenings, the

939
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 2: few evenings we've been sitting out here, it's just so quiet,

940
00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 2: like the wind dies down. Yeah, and you could hear

941
00:56:32,760 --> 00:56:36,480
Speaker 2: a pin drop. Would muzzleloaders hunt with the set trigger,

942
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,160
Speaker 2: everything's just like down to the hair trigger.

943
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 1: I don't know. I've never in all the reading I've

944
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,080
Speaker 1: done about hunt with flint locks, I have no idea

945
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:46,640
Speaker 1: what you must have because even when you're like bushwhacking

946
00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 1: another person, there's no way you were cocking that yeah

947
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 1: thing bag.

948
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. I wonder what they did back in the day.

949
00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 4: I kept thinking of that lasting mole can scene.

950
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:04,640
Speaker 2: This old trip. Oh yeah, he's he cuts off the

951
00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:05,440
Speaker 2: helk a couple.

952
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:09,200
Speaker 1: There's a thing that that about those flint locks like

953
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: to give you a sense of how stealthy people were.

954
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: There's a thing we talked about this in the We

955
00:57:13,719 --> 00:57:20,320
Speaker 1: talked about this in our Long Hunters audiobook that they

956
00:57:20,360 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 1: would you would more be looking when you're trying to

957
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 1: find someone or check for people going through the woods.

958
00:57:25,600 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 1: You'd be more looking for the barrel, looking for that big, long,

959
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:33,600
Speaker 1: straight barrel. You're more likely to see the barrel than

960
00:57:33,600 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: the dude holding it, and you look for that.

961
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:38,360
Speaker 2: Straight straight lines. You'd look for the.

962
00:57:38,320 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: Straight line, try to in order to try to find somebody.

963
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 1: Is your soose. There's no way someone's taking stealth that seriously.

964
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:50,960
Speaker 1: And then it's going to click click. He's probably laying

965
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 1: there at that set trigger engaged.

966
00:57:52,600 --> 00:57:55,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, just breathe on that, you know, and.

967
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 1: Just protecting it so it does nothing. Breathes on it.

968
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: I've two times muffed up messing with the set trigger. Yeah,

969
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 1: once something with you and once here muffed up like

970
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: hitting the set trigger and then getting your finger around

971
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:11,960
Speaker 1: because once that, once you do the set trigger. That

972
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,480
Speaker 1: thing is on. I don't know what it is. Ounces Yeah,

973
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 1: so getting your finger it definitely can't be doing with

974
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 1: a glove, getting the set trigger and then bringing your

975
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 1: finger up and it's a weird little space and just

976
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 1: you just and also two times into the air yep,

977
00:58:30,760 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 1: or I even got the because you're just trying to

978
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:35,600
Speaker 1: find the trigger, you know, and it's got that little

979
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,720
Speaker 1: that little teeny because there's a trigger guard and it's

980
00:58:38,720 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 1: got two triggers in it. So picture your trigger guard

981
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 1: as two triggers, one big, one little, and you do

982
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: the one. There's not a lot of room in there,

983
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:47,640
Speaker 1: for there's not a lot of room in front of

984
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 1: the regular trigger.

985
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:49,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

986
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: So even just trying to get your finger up in

987
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 1: the right neighborhood shoots the damn gun off for me

988
00:58:53,040 --> 00:58:54,040
Speaker 1: because I don't do it enough.

989
00:58:54,080 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 2: Well, we need to get you is uh like a

990
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:00,960
Speaker 2: the I forget what the Thompsons used to make one

991
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,280
Speaker 2: called a Pennsylvania Hunter and it was just one trigger.

992
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: Well here's what I'm getting. I'm broadcasting this out into

993
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:10,440
Speaker 1: the world because then I'm willing to pay for it.

994
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: Let me know if you're my man, if you're a

995
00:59:15,640 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 1: gun maker, I'm getting a here's what I want because

996
00:59:20,760 --> 00:59:24,280
Speaker 1: because the rules where I'm at, I need an exposed

997
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: hammer percussion cap, not an inline exposed hammer percussion cap.

998
00:59:31,440 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: Single trigger muzzleoader.

999
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:36,560
Speaker 2: Yep, there's some good muzzle I want to shoot.

1000
00:59:36,680 --> 00:59:41,000
Speaker 1: I want to shoot Pirate X or Triple seven and

1001
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,160
Speaker 1: I would I'd like to shoot conicals out of it,

1002
00:59:45,400 --> 00:59:49,160
Speaker 1: which is one less thing because like normally, when you load,

1003
00:59:49,240 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: like in the old oldie days, when you load a

1004
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: flint lock, you pour your powder charge down the barrel

1005
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 1: and then you got to take a piece of what's

1006
00:59:56,560 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 1: called the patch, so the ball doesn't grab the ball

1007
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: doesn't grab the lands and the barrel that well, So

1008
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:05,280
Speaker 1: what you do is you wrap the ball in a

1009
01:00:05,360 --> 01:00:07,720
Speaker 1: greased patch, and that grease patch is kind of like

1010
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: you're wadding or like it. Yeah, yeah, and that is

1011
01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: what helps throw a spiral on it when it comes

1012
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,840
Speaker 1: out that patch. So if you shoot there, they make

1013
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 1: these bullets that you don't need the patch. I want

1014
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,560
Speaker 1: a gun and I don't want any bullshit someone saying like, oh,

1015
01:00:22,600 --> 01:00:29,360
Speaker 1: it's you know, subma whatever, like peep site, single trigger

1016
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 1: shoots conicles. The barrels spiraled for kind of twisted for conicles,

1017
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:37,479
Speaker 1: percussion cap.

1018
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:41,600
Speaker 2: There you go, that's what I want.

1019
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 4: How far are they shooting? I'm going you mentioned it.

1020
01:00:43,800 --> 01:00:47,120
Speaker 2: How far are they shooting modern muzzle lators that would

1021
01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 2: be under regulation in Montana like the.

1022
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:54,000
Speaker 1: Bes knees the way the right spelled here, Yeah, you know,

1023
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 1: one hundred yards because you can use the optic.

1024
01:00:56,080 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that can't use like the fancy in lines here.

1025
01:01:00,520 --> 01:01:03,080
Speaker 2: So that's the limited states stay. Also, an optic is

1026
01:01:03,120 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 2: real helpful.

1027
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, an optic helps you out a lot. When we

1028
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: did when we did long in our Long Hunters audiobook

1029
01:01:09,440 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 1: about the Daniel Boone and the Hide Hunters, Like I'd

1030
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:14,640
Speaker 1: always had this question about how good were guys, Like

1031
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 1: how good really were guys with with flintlocks? You know,

1032
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:22,000
Speaker 1: because in the mythology there's like, you know, old tick liquor,

1033
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:25,400
Speaker 1: like it could shoot a tick off a deer shooting

1034
01:01:25,480 --> 01:01:28,200
Speaker 1: balls and hitting a hatchet blade and splitting the ball

1035
01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: and killing two guys, you know, like whatever, all these

1036
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:35,960
Speaker 1: accounts lasting Mohicans, these like three hundred yard running shots

1037
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 1: through the woods, you know, hitting guys, Like how good

1038
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: they were? So when we were working on that, me

1039
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: and Randall got into the question of like trying to

1040
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 1: find accounts of like what really could be done with

1041
01:01:48,400 --> 01:01:54,040
Speaker 1: the flint lock. Yeah, you know. And similarly, now that

1042
01:01:54,080 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 1: we're coming out with our Mountain Man one, we're kind

1043
01:01:56,320 --> 01:01:59,160
Speaker 1: of like, how really were they catching bab Like like

1044
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:01,080
Speaker 1: what were the set Like how did they catch beaver

1045
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:03,200
Speaker 1: in the mountain beyond the lower kind of yeah, like

1046
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 1: beyond the like oh they did this, that and the

1047
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 1: other thing. And you're reading like, I don't think that's

1048
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,160
Speaker 1: what they did, you know, it doesn't make sense. And

1049
01:02:08,200 --> 01:02:10,800
Speaker 1: I don't think they were splitting shots against hatchets and

1050
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:13,200
Speaker 1: killing two guys like waiting for like the Indian to

1051
01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 1: hold his hatchet up and then he hit his blade

1052
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 1: and he killed.

1053
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:17,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1054
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:21,560
Speaker 1: So there's these shooting contests that we talked about in

1055
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: that long hundred piece. You can just go by it

1056
01:02:24,200 --> 01:02:27,120
Speaker 1: in the you know, it's a it's an audio books,

1057
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:31,960
Speaker 1: you can purchase it. There's these guys called Uh, there's

1058
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:37,880
Speaker 1: these real bad bad dudes Brady's Rangers, and like these

1059
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:39,439
Speaker 1: are bad dudes.

1060
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 2: Like bad like badass or yeah bad like they're both

1061
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 2: doing outlaw.

1062
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 1: There were some bad dude they were like he had

1063
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:52,160
Speaker 1: some so they were like along the Ohio River in

1064
01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 1: the mid seventeen hundreds when tribes would cross like the

1065
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 1: Shawnee and people would come from the north across the

1066
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 1: river and raidss in West Virginia, yep, raid settlements in Kentucky.

1067
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: These he had this collection of he had this collection

1068
01:03:07,880 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: of woodsmen and hunters that he formed into this like

1069
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:13,760
Speaker 1: kind of almost like this little bit of a It

1070
01:03:13,800 --> 01:03:18,880
Speaker 1: was almost like a paramilitary special forces unite. And they

1071
01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:23,400
Speaker 1: would get on their trail and track them and they'd

1072
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,240
Speaker 1: track them back across the Ohio or they'd ambush them,

1073
01:03:26,640 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 1: like they'd find canoes part hidden they like the Shawne

1074
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:35,320
Speaker 1: would sink canoes now and then like they'd cross the

1075
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: Ohio and sink their canoes and then go raid. So

1076
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:44,400
Speaker 1: these rangers would wait at river crossings and stuff, and

1077
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:49,480
Speaker 1: they raised some help, but they oftentimes like they oftentimes

1078
01:03:49,480 --> 01:03:51,720
Speaker 1: like got their man, but then they got some other

1079
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:54,640
Speaker 1: guys too. They were they had a reputation for being

1080
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:58,600
Speaker 1: somewhat indiscriminate in their pursuits and if they were tracking

1081
01:03:58,640 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 1: someone ran to somebody else. Anyways, there's some bad dudes

1082
01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:05,400
Speaker 1: and they were considered like crack shooters, and there's some

1083
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:09,760
Speaker 1: accounts of them competing against regular soldiers in shooting contests,

1084
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:13,200
Speaker 1: and they would clean their clock, but they would make

1085
01:04:13,240 --> 01:04:17,000
Speaker 1: a mark on a tree. They would make a mark

1086
01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 1: on a tree the size of a dollar bill, which

1087
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:22,480
Speaker 1: was the we have the dimensions on it. It's not

1088
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:24,720
Speaker 1: quite like our dollar bill today. But you're basically making

1089
01:04:24,720 --> 01:04:28,600
Speaker 1: a hatchet slash in a tree like a bill, and

1090
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 1: then at sixty paces and they could put most but

1091
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 1: not all of those balls into that mark. Regular soldiers

1092
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,880
Speaker 1: could not. So that gives you an idea of like

1093
01:04:40,960 --> 01:04:43,439
Speaker 1: what really was what they were really doing.

1094
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's the same the soldiers and the the

1095
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:49,120
Speaker 4: bad boys are using the same.

1096
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 1: No, so the soldiers have way better just wait because

1097
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 1: they're hunting with the hunting rifles. There was at that

1098
01:04:55,200 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 1: time people weren't the backwoodsman. It's kind of funny. The

1099
01:05:00,280 --> 01:05:03,720
Speaker 1: backwoodsmen were getting into rifled barrels, and they were getting

1100
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:10,720
Speaker 1: into lighter calibers, smaller balls and rifling, and soldiers were

1101
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: oftentimes given these smooth bares, and like the rifling kind

1102
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:17,439
Speaker 1: of came from a different direction of how guys caught

1103
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:20,200
Speaker 1: on it. So these guys were shooting like pretty sophisticated

1104
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:23,640
Speaker 1: but oftentimes home like handmade guns.

1105
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:26,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, customized customer out.

1106
01:05:26,280 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 1: Wow, where you're actually taking a bar in, rolling that

1107
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:37,640
Speaker 1: bar to make the barrel, like hammering it out, rolling it,

1108
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:41,120
Speaker 1: smoothing it out, cutting the lands and grooves and cutting

1109
01:05:41,120 --> 01:05:44,320
Speaker 1: the grooves into it. Whole thing all made by.

1110
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 2: Hand, understanding their tool.

1111
01:05:46,400 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 1: But like, how good could you be, because like they were,

1112
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: I think of how inconsistent gunpowder is. You're pouring shot

1113
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 1: by hand, right, it's you know, it's just a lot

1114
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,640
Speaker 1: of inconsistencies. But there's the mythology is how good these

1115
01:06:00,680 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 1: guys were these flint locks. But and it's still impressive,

1116
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,800
Speaker 1: but they weren't like you know, in our reachar. It's

1117
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:08,560
Speaker 1: just like for someone to hit to hit a deer

1118
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:12,280
Speaker 1: at two hundred yards was really something that was really

1119
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:18,080
Speaker 1: something with a flint lock, but shooting at shooting at

1120
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:22,439
Speaker 1: sixty paces was like pretty what you were after, which

1121
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,720
Speaker 1: is very similar, Like it's like not too terribly far

1122
01:06:24,840 --> 01:06:27,320
Speaker 1: off from what you're looking for now. Yeah, a flint lock,

1123
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 1: and that's putting them into ah, you know, and that's

1124
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:36,320
Speaker 1: putting them into a something about the size of a bill.

1125
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:39,560
Speaker 1: They would shoot further distances at the head of a

1126
01:06:39,720 --> 01:06:44,320
Speaker 1: shooting at the head the top of a keg, which

1127
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:47,400
Speaker 1: is so it's about an eight inch circle. They would

1128
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:49,400
Speaker 1: set up and you would They would set up and

1129
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:50,960
Speaker 1: go a little farther and try to put it into

1130
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 1: an eight inch circle. So they weren't miracle workers with

1131
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 1: those things.

1132
01:06:53,760 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, just knew the tool, knew the rifle very well.

1133
01:06:57,600 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 1: I could definitely see like I was telling myself, I'm

1134
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 1: going to do this but now, but recognizing I'm probably

1135
01:07:02,360 --> 01:07:04,240
Speaker 1: lying to myself, I was like, man, I should just

1136
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:06,840
Speaker 1: do it where for like a bunch of years going forward,

1137
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 1: I only hunt with that freaking flint lock.

1138
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:12,720
Speaker 2: That's all I touch. Tough guys to do it.

1139
01:07:13,400 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 1: Just be like, yeah, Jim Becktel yep, just be like

1140
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:19,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna humpt if I like, I'm only like like

1141
01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:22,200
Speaker 1: same way like certain dudes like cam Agnes, he just

1142
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 1: huntsed a bow, he don't hunt the gun. Doesn't do it,

1143
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 1: and be like I only hunt with the flint lock

1144
01:07:27,440 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 1: until I get that thing mastered.

1145
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:32,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you'd always have to be in that one twenty

1146
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 2: hundred yards zone.

1147
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:36,360
Speaker 1: No, sure, I don't give a shit. Yeah, just get

1148
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 1: where I'm like Joe flint Lock Man or Steve flint Lock.

1149
01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna actually do that. But if I was

1150
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 1: cooler than I am, that's what I would do.

1151
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:51,880
Speaker 2: He had more time, That's what I would do. See

1152
01:07:51,920 --> 01:07:55,920
Speaker 2: this book, Old Grizzly. This book is phenomenal.

1153
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,040
Speaker 1: I'm only pointing this book out because this guy just

1154
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 1: put together it was like, it's like a journal. Did

1155
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: you put together? It's self published.

1156
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:08,040
Speaker 2: Journals.

1157
01:08:08,600 --> 01:08:12,280
Speaker 1: Yep, Old Grizzly to a better understanding of life on

1158
01:08:12,320 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 1: the frontier?

1159
01:08:13,240 --> 01:08:13,800
Speaker 2: Is that him?

1160
01:08:14,600 --> 01:08:19,040
Speaker 1: That's Old Grizzly. So this guy's later and he's a

1161
01:08:19,120 --> 01:08:21,440
Speaker 1: grizz He was hunting grizzlies in the cell kirks.

1162
01:08:21,720 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 2: Oh nice, and.

1163
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 1: Uh, it's phenomenal man. You know, we do Steve Reid's books,

1164
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 1: so you ain't got to We even have a little

1165
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 1: I don't have it with me, but there's a thing

1166
01:08:36,600 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 1: that goes it's time.

1167
01:08:37,720 --> 01:08:38,320
Speaker 2: Oh you have it.

1168
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 1: You play it into my Endo SAT's headphones. It's time

1169
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:50,240
Speaker 1: for Steve Lee's books.

1170
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 2: So you ain't got to.

1171
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:55,960
Speaker 1: See what I'm saying.

1172
01:08:56,040 --> 01:08:58,760
Speaker 2: Old.

1173
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:02,240
Speaker 1: So it's a series we do where I read a

1174
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 1: book and I just find the good parts can tell

1175
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 1: you about them. Yeah, and then you ain't got to

1176
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 1: read it. You ain't got it because I already read it,

1177
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:14,160
Speaker 1: and I told you all the good parts.

1178
01:09:15,200 --> 01:09:16,679
Speaker 2: Got more time to shoot your flint lock.

1179
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 1: Yep, you ready for a couple of these?

1180
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 2: Yep.

1181
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:24,320
Speaker 1: In the winter, we often hunted muskrats with long spear

1182
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,719
Speaker 1: we had made from a quarter inch round iron rod.

1183
01:09:29,320 --> 01:09:31,680
Speaker 1: It had a sharp barb on the spear end and

1184
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 1: a round wood handle fastened on the other end. When

1185
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:38,599
Speaker 1: the ice would bear our weight, we would go out

1186
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:41,719
Speaker 1: to their houses and shove the spear through the center

1187
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 1: of each house. The houses were made of grass and

1188
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:48,760
Speaker 1: mud from the edge of the lake and were easily penetrated.

1189
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 1: We seldom missed getting at least one from each place

1190
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 1: we tried. The spear was sharp and it made a

1191
01:09:56,520 --> 01:10:00,919
Speaker 1: clean cut in the pelt, which did not depreciate its value.

1192
01:10:01,880 --> 01:10:04,000
Speaker 2: Dang, that's cool. What year was this?

1193
01:10:04,080 --> 01:10:09,920
Speaker 1: I'll get you arrested. Don't do that now, So I'm trying.

1194
01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 1: So he was running around in uh old grizzly here

1195
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 1: one second, Old Grizzly killed fifty six grizzly bears in

1196
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 1: Western Canada, all the Selkirks between eighteen ninety five and

1197
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,240
Speaker 1: nineteen twenty four. Then he went back in nineteen thirty

1198
01:10:28,280 --> 01:10:32,160
Speaker 1: five and killed another one. So most of this action

1199
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:35,840
Speaker 1: is occurring in the mid like like well, most of

1200
01:10:35,840 --> 01:10:41,040
Speaker 1: the action is occurring in the early nineteen hundreds.

1201
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:45,600
Speaker 2: Okay, you can't do that now, you can't.

1202
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 1: Go can't gig muskrats anymore through the roof of their house.

1203
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 2: Ready for this?

1204
01:10:54,439 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 1: Yes, directly he's talking about and pike, spear and fish

1205
01:11:05,360 --> 01:11:07,599
Speaker 1: if no, Okay, directly he's talking about they go out.

1206
01:11:07,600 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 1: They'd go out to spear northerns Okay for commercial uh

1207
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:23,200
Speaker 1: for commercial sale. But here's an interesting bit. The highest

1208
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 1: price we got for our fish was around four cents

1209
01:11:26,040 --> 01:11:30,599
Speaker 1: a pound, and that was for black bass, large mouths.

1210
01:11:32,160 --> 01:11:35,880
Speaker 1: So in those days they were spearing large mouths through

1211
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:40,160
Speaker 1: the ice and sell them for four bucks for selling

1212
01:11:40,200 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 1: them for four cents a pound on the commercial market.

1213
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:45,400
Speaker 1: So you would go into a fish market in those

1214
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:49,439
Speaker 1: years and you could buy large mouth bass. You could

1215
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:52,439
Speaker 1: buy speared large mouth bass and bring it home to eat.

1216
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:52,840
Speaker 2: At the table.

1217
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:56,560
Speaker 1: In the fall of the year, we would make a

1218
01:11:56,600 --> 01:12:02,040
Speaker 1: few dollars by what we called pulling trees. Settlers living

1219
01:12:02,080 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 1: on the prairie would come to town and hire boys

1220
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 1: to pull up small cottonwood seedlings, which grew on the

1221
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:11,120
Speaker 1: sand bars along the river. The settlers planted the seedlings

1222
01:12:11,160 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 1: around their homes to start a windbreak. Some settlers had

1223
01:12:15,560 --> 01:12:18,479
Speaker 1: extra land given to them by the government provided they

1224
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 1: planted it with trees, and we also supplied seedling trees

1225
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:26,519
Speaker 1: for such planting. The seedlings were usually about ten inches

1226
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:29,400
Speaker 1: long and grew in clean sand from seeds washed there

1227
01:12:29,479 --> 01:12:31,960
Speaker 1: from the previous season. It was easy for even a

1228
01:12:32,040 --> 01:12:35,320
Speaker 1: small boy to pull up a dozen or more at

1229
01:12:35,360 --> 01:12:38,480
Speaker 1: a time. We tied them in bunches of a thousand,

1230
01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 1: for which we received twenty cents. We considered this an

1231
01:12:45,280 --> 01:12:46,599
Speaker 1: easy way to make money.

1232
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:51,640
Speaker 4: Wonder what's in flat like what would the math beyond that?

1233
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:57,800
Speaker 4: Like what's twenty cents nowadays? And from nineteen twenty like

1234
01:12:57,840 --> 01:12:58,639
Speaker 4: a hundred bucks?

1235
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:01,439
Speaker 2: You want to know what else he would do for money? Yep.

1236
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 1: Sometimes the settler wanted maple seeds to plant, We supplied them. No,

1237
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:10,720
Speaker 1: he did all his hunting in Western Canada, but grew

1238
01:13:10,800 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 1: up in the Midwest Okay. Sometimes the settler wanted maple

1239
01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:17,479
Speaker 1: seeds to plant. We supplied them, but it was hard

1240
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:21,040
Speaker 1: work to get them. We first had to chop down

1241
01:13:21,080 --> 01:13:24,599
Speaker 1: a tree and then strip the seeds from the limbs,

1242
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 1: and they usually were so firmly attached that it was

1243
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,120
Speaker 1: a case of pulling off one seed at a time.

1244
01:13:30,200 --> 01:13:33,880
Speaker 1: The settlers paid us one dollar for a gunny sack

1245
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 1: full of these maple seeds. We noticed that some of

1246
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:41,080
Speaker 1: the sacks were larger than others, but soon got over

1247
01:13:41,160 --> 01:13:44,200
Speaker 1: that difficulty by filling up the bottom of the big

1248
01:13:44,240 --> 01:13:45,360
Speaker 1: sacks with leaves.

1249
01:13:47,240 --> 01:13:52,800
Speaker 2: That's called cheating, dirty or just opportunistic. You get seven

1250
01:13:52,840 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 2: dollars fifty cents. Oh, Zoey got under ten bucks for

1251
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:03,120
Speaker 2: a thousand cottonwoods.

1252
01:14:05,320 --> 01:14:07,360
Speaker 1: My kid went to a turkey shoot at the bow range,

1253
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:10,360
Speaker 1: and I was trying to explain to him that when

1254
01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:13,519
Speaker 1: I was a kid, a turkey shoot, Like now you'll

1255
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 1: shoot targets to win a frozen turkey.

1256
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:16,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I used to do that.

1257
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:19,760
Speaker 1: Well, when I was a boy, you could go down

1258
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:22,760
Speaker 1: to our gun range and there was an actual turkey shot.

1259
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:26,800
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, behind a sand They put a turkey behind

1260
01:14:26,800 --> 01:14:30,840
Speaker 1: a sandbar, and well you just shoot. You had to

1261
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:32,280
Speaker 1: have twenty two and hit it head its head.

1262
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:34,720
Speaker 2: Whoever got it got the turn.

1263
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:37,040
Speaker 1: That's dodging around back there with just his head sticking

1264
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 1: up out of a sandbar. I was so little, I

1265
01:14:40,479 --> 01:14:43,599
Speaker 1: didn't do it, but it was the thing, huh, he said.

1266
01:14:44,240 --> 01:14:47,360
Speaker 1: He's talking about these guys going to a turkey shoot.

1267
01:14:48,920 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 1: It was always an interesting sight to watch these old

1268
01:14:51,080 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 1: timers load their rifles at the turkey shoot, which was

1269
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:57,439
Speaker 1: an annual affair at home. They were all good shots too,

1270
01:14:57,439 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 1: and never never failed to get a turkey. The men

1271
01:14:59,479 --> 01:15:02,160
Speaker 1: would lie up along the river bank and shoot at

1272
01:15:02,160 --> 01:15:05,080
Speaker 1: a turkey place with its feet tied together on the

1273
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 1: shore some distance away. The shots were ten cents and

1274
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:12,200
Speaker 1: the bird was yours if you hit it anywhere.

1275
01:15:14,160 --> 01:15:15,120
Speaker 2: Sounds like a good deal.

1276
01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:20,519
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think if I'm gonna tell you about

1277
01:15:20,520 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 1: any more of these, you know what he gets into.

1278
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:27,120
Speaker 1: He winds up having exposure. This is the last thing

1279
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:29,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you. I'm run on the show. He

1280
01:15:29,880 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 1: winds up having exposure to you know, the guy that

1281
01:15:32,200 --> 01:15:33,360
Speaker 1: killed Jesse James.

1282
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 2: Oh, kind of backstabby Robert Ford.

1283
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:41,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, he has some details about when the killing of

1284
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:49,320
Speaker 1: Robert Ford. Mister Ford was standing at the bar talking

1285
01:15:49,320 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 1: to a man about contributing some money to a fund.

1286
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:55,439
Speaker 1: He was raising to bury one of the dance hall

1287
01:15:55,560 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 1: girls who had just died. As four turned from the bar,

1288
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:06,439
Speaker 1: he called a greeting to O'Kelly, that's who killed Robert Ford.

1289
01:16:10,120 --> 01:16:12,719
Speaker 1: He called a greeting to O'Kelly, who was only about

1290
01:16:12,760 --> 01:16:17,000
Speaker 1: five feet away, without saying a word. O'Kelly pulled up

1291
01:16:17,040 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 1: the gun and fired a blast the buckshot from both barrels,

1292
01:16:21,800 --> 01:16:24,479
Speaker 1: which blew away half of Bob Ford's head.

1293
01:16:26,320 --> 01:16:30,280
Speaker 2: Oh, what's called a greeting? Mean?

1294
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:34,599
Speaker 1: Just to listen, I'm only on page twenty seven. I've

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Speaker 1: read the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: It's a heavy hitting the whole way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, look at these Look at all these highlights I

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Speaker 1: got in mind.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I don't got to read it anymore.

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Speaker 1: Though, you don't need to read it because now you

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Speaker 1: know the main good parts.

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Speaker 2: What's called a greeting? Mean?

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Speaker 1: Well, he wanted to make it so, he wanted to

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Speaker 1: make so Jesse James gets killed by Robert Ford. It's

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Speaker 1: kind of a trader, yeah, and in this guy around town,

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Speaker 1: it's kind of local bad guy around town wants to

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Speaker 1: make a name for himself. He wants to kill Robert

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Speaker 1: Ford to make a name for himself. He doesn't get

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Speaker 1: any trouble for it. Yeah, Robert Ford has a bar

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Speaker 1: and I've heard other accounts that he took a bunch

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Speaker 1: of h He took a bunch of pipe iron pipe,

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Speaker 1: and cut it into little rings, and then chiseled those

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Speaker 1: rings in the little slivers and actually funneled that down

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Speaker 1: the barrel of a double barrel and shot Robert.

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Speaker 2: Ford with that bunch of shrapnel. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Some accounts have him cutting Robert Ford in half down

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Speaker 1: at the waist, and some accounts his account has him

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Speaker 1: cutting Robert Ford and half along the head.

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Speaker 2: Jeez.

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Speaker 1: He wound up dying a violent death.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh the other guy.

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Speaker 1: He died of violent death. Yikes.

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Speaker 4: It's all for today. Do you still think this was

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Speaker 4: the worst trip you've ever been on?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: This is a low point in my life.

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Speaker 2: Really, That's what I try to think of other bad

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Speaker 2: ones we've had fifty years.

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Speaker 1: Is the lowest point in my life. Nothing to do

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Speaker 1: with that up from here March. Yeah, nothing to do

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Speaker 1: with that, Maggie. There's the lowest point in my life.

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Speaker 1: There's it's just like, yeah, it's like I don't know

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Speaker 1: what to do. I don't know how I can go

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Speaker 1: home and be a father to my children. You know,

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Speaker 1: I feel like he'll be like, you know, yeah, they'll

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Speaker 1: be like I was raised by They'll they'll they'll grow

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Speaker 1: up later in life, they'll they'll go to a therapist

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Speaker 1: and they'll say, I was raised by a broken man.

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Speaker 1: Were fine, I'd be like, he was fine until like

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Speaker 1: December twenty fourth. After that he was.

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Speaker 2: A broken make the shell of a man. He'll be like,

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Speaker 2: what broke your old man? He'd be like the flint

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Speaker 2: lock muscle.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he got, he went down, he got knowing my

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Speaker 1: mom didn't want him to do it, but he got

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Speaker 1: that God damn flint lock.

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Speaker 2: The first time there broken, second time, definitely broken.

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Speaker 1: And he was never the same. He just took to

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Speaker 1: the bottle, you know, Coca Cola with all next flip

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Speaker 1: season when I'm flir like Joe, you know, I'm not

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Speaker 1: hunting next year's flint lock season because I have already

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Speaker 1: killed a buck during regular season with my flint lock.

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Speaker 1: Because that's all you well, you don't know flint lock.

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Speaker 1: But but that said, I am in the market for

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Speaker 1: that that gun, that single trigger, percussion cap, long barreled,

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Speaker 1: straight shooting Maxi ball gun and your gun makers out

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Speaker 1: there all right. Thanks y'all get