1 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:05,280 Speaker 1: Episode three seventy three Brad and Brett Warren, the Warren Brothers. 2 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:07,360 Speaker 1: I think I could have done to maybe three hours 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: with them. There's a lot of fun and then I 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: went from fun to just being, you know, super serious. 5 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:15,640 Speaker 1: We had to trust each other a little bit. We 6 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: got into some areas that I think if we all 7 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: weren't comfortable with ourselves, we wouldn't have been comfortable going there. 8 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 1: Just a real good experience here with the Warren brothers. 9 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 1: They have nine number ones. We can roll through some 10 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: pretty quickly. If you're reading this, Tim McGraw, feel that fire. 11 00:00:31,840 --> 00:00:34,320 Speaker 1: Dirk s Bentley felt good on my lips. Tim McGraw, 12 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 1: a little bit of everything. Keith Urban Highway, don't care. 13 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: Tim McGraw. With Taylor and Urban, I could keep going. 14 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: I mean they have so many songs, they have many 15 00:00:42,440 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: top tens. I mean, they came to town, they were 16 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: trying to be artists. Some stuff happened. Now they're two 17 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,360 Speaker 1: of the best songwriters in Nashville. And there's a new 18 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: podcast hosted by Brad. It's called The Good Grief Good 19 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: God Show hosted by Brad, where he talks about it's grief. 20 00:00:58,960 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: It's a grief podcast when it's a good grief. I 21 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: thought of Charlie Brown honestly first good Grief, but it 22 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: really is a grief podcast and he talks about it. 23 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: You can check out Good Grief, Good God show dot 24 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,320 Speaker 1: com or find the link in the notes of this 25 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: podcast and go check it out. Here we are, it's me, 26 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: it's the Warren Brothers, and it's episode three seventy three, 27 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: Bred and Bred. The Warren Brothers are here. You know 28 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:26,199 Speaker 1: you guys commented on your head shot it's up when 29 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: what when was that head shot taken? Do you think? 30 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: And it was long enough ago where I don't have 31 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:34,119 Speaker 1: any gray streaks in my hair was now there for sure, 32 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: So I'm gonna say ten years ago. Oh, I didn't 33 00:01:36,680 --> 00:01:39,760 Speaker 1: think it was that. Maybe eight years ago, seven, eight 34 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,480 Speaker 1: years ago? Yeah, ten was way off. Eight, I didn't 35 00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: I think it was that dated. And I was like, well, 36 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: this that's quite quite a dated head shot. And I 37 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: was like, oh, you know what, it's not that bad. 38 00:01:50,000 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: I'm still using it from like ago. Oh absolutely stowed 39 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 1: up on the billboard. It's not that far off. So 40 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 1: I think I was thinking about getting another one. I 41 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: think we should just continue to run with this one, 42 00:01:57,640 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 1: well against against here, you had a certain point where 43 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:02,880 Speaker 1: then it's just funny and fun again. There's that weird 44 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: like middle ground devo is awkward because they don't look 45 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 1: like that, but then you hit a point or it's 46 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: just hilarious again. It's the joy of being a songwriter, 47 00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: breaking away from the artist, where you really don't care 48 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: they think it's funny. It's funny if they think you're 49 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: trying to look younger. You don't care when you want 50 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 1: to stop getting Somebody occasionally will say you need to 51 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: do a headshot. I'm like, why we're not looking younger? 52 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: Updated for something? Something who doesn't look as good. I 53 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: don't look as good anymore, not at the point where 54 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:34,079 Speaker 1: I started lying about my age in the other directions. 55 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:35,440 Speaker 1: So people are like, how old you and I say 56 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: sixty two, and they're like, no, way, you look amazing. 57 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:39,640 Speaker 1: I just want the compliment. I don't care if they 58 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,679 Speaker 1: think I'm sixty two. I just need to be emotionally 59 00:02:43,080 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: patted on the back. I was excited you guys were 60 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:46,839 Speaker 1: coming over for a couple of reasons, because you guys 61 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:49,920 Speaker 1: have been kind of in the orbit of my life forever. 62 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 1: I mean since I moved here, but I don't know 63 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: that we've ever all set down before. Never. I think 64 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,919 Speaker 1: we did something with Tim McGraw. You were interviewing him 65 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: and we were part of the you for like five 66 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:05,679 Speaker 1: minutes about six seven years ago, but never just really yeah, 67 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: I don't even remember that it was we were in 68 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: So who is this Tom McGraw guy. We're the Cato 69 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 1: Klin of the family. So if you met us, it 70 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 1: was with we're in the career guesthouse. We have so 71 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: many like parallels though with people with I mean, Jim 72 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: Beaver's is a close friend of mine and is super funny. 73 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:28,960 Speaker 1: It was the first guy in town because I've been 74 00:03:29,000 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: writing funny stuff from my comedy act because I do 75 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: stand up and he was like, hey, all right with you? 76 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:35,160 Speaker 1: And then we just had fun and written a bunch 77 00:03:35,160 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 1: stuff together, and he goes, you think I'm funny, you 78 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:40,040 Speaker 1: should ride with the Warm Brothers. Nobody writes funnier than 79 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: Jim Beavers. Nobody. I mean, he's we think we're funny, 80 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 1: but he actually writes funny. I think the only crazy 81 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: funny song we've written was red Solo Cup happened to 82 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: me with Jim. Yeah, we wrote a few more that 83 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: were with Jim that we're funny but Pirates song? Has 84 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:54,080 Speaker 1: he turned you on to that? EDG first? Well? And 85 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: mostly he was like, you guys are have the ability 86 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,320 Speaker 1: to be very funny and probably right very funny if 87 00:03:58,320 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: you wanted to, like it was a it was a 88 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 1: huge compliment on how funny he thinks you are. And 89 00:04:02,120 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: that's that space that you could easily roll into if 90 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: you wanted to, really a compliment with someone that funny 91 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 1: that we do these writers around with him still, and 92 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 1: I mean half the time we're just sitting sideways facing 93 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 1: him crying. It's just, you know, it's like have you 94 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: ever you ever seen when Arbal, I mean when when 95 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,720 Speaker 1: Barbal plays the Donkey song and makes the Donkey sound 96 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: the right you could play. Let it be. They don't 97 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,560 Speaker 1: care anymore. The crowds is do you guys only work together? 98 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 1: Pretty since Brad bought a house in Florida and he 99 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: started working on this podcast right now, you don't live 100 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 1: here right now, I live here, but I just bought 101 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: a house in Florida, so we spend about a third 102 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: of our time in Florida. That's significant. This is the 103 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 1: first time we've written probably songs together and about the 104 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: last year four months ago a little bit, just because 105 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:56,279 Speaker 1: just out of geography, is that weird? It was weird. 106 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: It was a little weird. I felt like I was 107 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: cheating on spouse, but like it just felt it felt 108 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: a little odd. But I don't think we're totally cool 109 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:06,159 Speaker 1: with that. I mean, we write better together. When you 110 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: write that many songs together, there's a natural chemistry. It 111 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: just happens together. We make up one real songwriter, you 112 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,800 Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's like, I'm not sure credit 113 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: is publishing is one song? Right? No, not that far? 114 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: So okay. You guys grow up where Tampa, Florida? Been 115 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: there many times? Really? Yeah, I've played the what's the 116 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: big theater down there? It's pretty new note though now 117 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: just a bunch of half the theater. There's um old 118 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:33,719 Speaker 1: Tampa theater. But it's it's a new as a new 119 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: one. One One. It doesn't matter. It's a dumb question. It's 120 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: gonna get us nowhere. But got guys been in radio before. 121 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: But I've spent a lot of time in Tampa. Um 122 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: usually once or twice a year. You grow up in Tampa. 123 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: Was Tampa then like Tampa now? Where it's like there's Florida, 124 00:05:47,480 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: but then Tampa it's kind of a bit of an 125 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: outlier as far as the kind of people that are there. 126 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 1: Tampa was like when we were growing up, had a 127 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: rock and roll scene. There was rock and f and 128 00:05:57,320 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: rock and roll was still kind of big and had 129 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:01,479 Speaker 1: local show and so our band would get on local 130 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:03,640 Speaker 1: shows and they had a ton of bars where everybody 131 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 1: would play. It was the death metal capital of the world. 132 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: Deathital music was sort of recorded it Morris sound there 133 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,880 Speaker 1: by Usff'll say this, Tampa has changed less from when 134 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,720 Speaker 1: we were children, so that Nashville has since we've been 135 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:19,360 Speaker 1: here years ago, whatever national has changed unbelievably. Tampa's still 136 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: kind of And the house I bought is in Madeira Beach, 137 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: which is right outside St. Petersburg, Um, and it's been 138 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,280 Speaker 1: exactly when I was a little kid. We used to 139 00:06:27,320 --> 00:06:29,680 Speaker 1: go there like I'm never coming to this old people's beach, 140 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,800 Speaker 1: and now I'm old and I love it. That's normal, 141 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:35,919 Speaker 1: the people's normal folks. It's the quiet, but it hasn't 142 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,600 Speaker 1: changed that much. Like compared to Nashville. It's it's very 143 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: similar to you talk about a band that you guys 144 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,719 Speaker 1: are in Was it the metal band? Yeah, like it 145 00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:45,719 Speaker 1: was that a Christian metal band started started as that, Yeah, 146 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: how does it start? But is it? I think we 147 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: said the effort on stage and that they want excommunicated. 148 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,840 Speaker 1: You're canceled before canceling was the thing we had been 149 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: canceled by. We went to a small Christian school and 150 00:06:57,680 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 1: we would do like like and Raisers was the first 151 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 1: of our band ever played. I was like fourteen, he 152 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: was sixteen, and we couldn't play rock songs, so we 153 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:08,159 Speaker 1: would changed the lyrics to like Brian Adams songs like 154 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: I Can't wait to see you in Heaven instead of 155 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: find it hard to Believe in Heaven and things like that. 156 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 1: So we we had to sort of cater to be 157 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:19,120 Speaker 1: able to play rock and roll. We didna no get 158 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 1: saved instead of cocaine. Do you know what's so funny 159 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: about that? As we used to play churches and instead 160 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: of uh, George still get bad at the bone, we'd 161 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 1: be like, there's gold up above. Do do do do 162 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 1: do same thing? Gold up above? I said a bad 163 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: at the bone? Were like, that's gold up above. So 164 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: we had to change something we wanted to do. We 165 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: had to do the same thing because they wanted to 166 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:42,800 Speaker 1: play the songs. I like this gold up above. I 167 00:07:42,880 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: may write that, you know, I don't know that you 168 00:07:45,080 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: should because I don't want to tickle a bone. But 169 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:51,000 Speaker 1: it's amazing how full of crap church stuff can be, 170 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: because it's just if it's in the name and it 171 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,840 Speaker 1: falls into the into the lane, it's good. But as 172 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: soon as someone has a real problem, they seem to 173 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: like scatter like flies. Not not always, but says the 174 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: person canceled by the churches, I'll be honest, the church 175 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:08,160 Speaker 1: invented canceling. I mean it really did. We We canceled 176 00:08:08,200 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: some people when I was a kid. I'm like, man, 177 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 1: if they stopped going to our church, we lost their numbers. 178 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 1: Did you learn or learn your love from music in church? 179 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 1: We did? Like was there a music or a choir 180 00:08:20,120 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: or there was a band in our church? Like when 181 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:24,360 Speaker 1: we learned. I mean, maybe a different I don't love 182 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: the music in the church, but if you had the 183 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 1: option to play in church, yeah, we would play it. Yeah, 184 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: because it was more fun to play in church than 185 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: to stand there listening to it. So we had drums 186 00:08:32,040 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: and bass and guitar, so we did play in church. 187 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,839 Speaker 1: And learned how to play. We have to play in church. 188 00:08:36,840 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: We have two older sisters, the oldest one. They're both 189 00:08:39,559 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 1: way better musicians than we are. The oldest one can 190 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,120 Speaker 1: cite read Beethoven and tell you what not to car 191 00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: horn is. She's just like freaking The other one sings amazing. 192 00:08:47,200 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: And Brad was a killer guitar player from age like ten. 193 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: He was just great a guitar And I just never 194 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: really practiced or did anything that my mom would be like, 195 00:08:53,760 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: You're never gonna be able to play an instrument when 196 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:57,520 Speaker 1: you get older, like somehow that would be the the 197 00:08:57,600 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: musical black sheep of the family. And now he can 198 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: play every strument. But I just joined the band when 199 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: I was fourteen because he said, Hey, all the high 200 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,040 Speaker 1: school girls are coming to watch our band practice. I 201 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 1: just literally got in the band to hang out with 202 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: the older kids, old older girls. Literally your parents musical, Yes, 203 00:09:15,480 --> 00:09:18,719 Speaker 1: in what way? Both play guitar? Both thing. Did they 204 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: ever try to do it professionally even when they were younger. No, 205 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 1: And they encouraged us not to do it and told 206 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,520 Speaker 1: us it was not a job and it's a career, 207 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: and we would wind up playing in bars until we 208 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,600 Speaker 1: were fifty and all that they could have been right. 209 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: It was really close, you know, but it takes someone 210 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: who's almost failed at trying to know that though. So yeah, 211 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: they probably played a little bit and put their toes. 212 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 1: My dad played in a few bands, but never like 213 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 1: so they have a passion for music. Was it just 214 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 1: around all the time or did you see that you 215 00:09:48,559 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 1: would get acceptance or favor from your parents because they 216 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: loved it if you loved it, they didn't actually like 217 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: it the way we did. We had to play a 218 00:09:56,720 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: musical instrument. It was like a that's thirty minutes a 219 00:09:59,080 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: day you had to practice on. I played trumpet, he 220 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: played trumbone. Not cool instruments when you're a kid. And 221 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 1: then um, I heard a guy. We went to a 222 00:10:07,200 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: friend's house in the church and he played um, Sweet 223 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,320 Speaker 1: Home Alabama on his electric guitar through an amp, and 224 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,960 Speaker 1: I was transformed in that moment. I was eleven years 225 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 1: old and I'm like, I'm playing electric guitar. Did they 226 00:10:18,520 --> 00:10:21,360 Speaker 1: make you guys do brass asteroids? Because they didn't want 227 00:10:21,440 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 1: us to play rock and roll? And we were literally 228 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: we grew up in a funny it's crazy because everybody 229 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: wanted to be at our house, but we did not 230 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: have a television. Everyone to be at our house. My 231 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,199 Speaker 1: mom wasn't the greatest cook, but kids just came over. 232 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: We played basketball. It was like this. It was this 233 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: crazy house to grow up in. But literally my mom 234 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: and dad made us run three miles before school every day, 235 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 1: even when I was in the first grade. Physically, family 236 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,559 Speaker 1: get up and we would run, and then my mom 237 00:10:46,600 --> 00:10:49,200 Speaker 1: made our own sweatpants, and like we wore earth shoes. 238 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,319 Speaker 1: We just wanted to be cool. We weren't allowed to 239 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: go to Applebees because they sold beer, so we had 240 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: this more so to please. Then we just wanted to 241 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: be accepted. We wanted to be cool. That's sort of 242 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: false said, so being cool, I think that's what drove 243 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: us more than almost anything else. Early on, could you 244 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,599 Speaker 1: listen to secular music? No, we were not allowed. It 245 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:10,520 Speaker 1: snuck until what age were you finally allowed? So we 246 00:11:10,600 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 1: left their house And then when you started sneaking secular music? 247 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 1: Was it rock? Yeah? It was Van Halen and Tom 248 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: Petty and yeah we melon camp and everything that kind 249 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: of sounds like what we do. Still did ever get caught? 250 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah by My grandmother gave us a little 251 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:27,319 Speaker 1: black and white TV and my dad put it in 252 00:11:27,360 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: the attic so we wouldn't watch it. This is when 253 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 1: we were teenagers. Why she gave you a TV, but 254 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 1: your dad said, you can't watch the TV you were 255 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: just given. He would let us watch it occasionally on 256 00:11:34,800 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 1: Friday nights if we watched raw Hide, but he would 257 00:11:36,840 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: go into the attic and get it, bring it down 258 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: and we can watch raw Hide, and then you put 259 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: it back in the attic. Now, by the way, this 260 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: isn't like this is raw Hide and that's what you 261 00:11:47,000 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: can watch. Eight five was like when they played it 262 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: at midnight on Friday night or something. Yeah, and so 263 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: we would They had Friday night videos from Friday night videos. Okay, 264 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: so if you didn't have him TV, which we certainly 265 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 1: didn't have, you could watch. So we would sneak into 266 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:03,400 Speaker 1: the attic quietly, take that little TV down and put 267 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,719 Speaker 1: it in my mom's sewing room and watch Friday night 268 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 1: videos with the volume barely up. I remember the handle 269 00:12:08,920 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: was broken, so you had to turn it with your 270 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:13,599 Speaker 1: with your fingers. It was just hysterical. The links we 271 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: would go to more flyers we had broken. We always yeah, 272 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: and you had to go in and then that the 273 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: channel and if you're born in eighty two or below, 274 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: you know what that is. So you guys have two 275 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: older sisters. Now, were they also sneaking music in or 276 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: were they pretty much angels and did just the Christian 277 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: music angels? They were pretty much angels. Yeah, they made up. 278 00:12:39,840 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: They made us look we were We were pretty wild anyway, 279 00:12:42,120 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: but they really shined. It was made us look bad 280 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 1: and then eventually we made us look bad. Exactly. Were 281 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: you guys best friends as kids, even though because two 282 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: years is significant and it gets less significant as you 283 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: get older. Now, as he got older and maybe had 284 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,040 Speaker 1: our own friends. He was in different grades and we 285 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: played on all the sports teams there at the school, 286 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: so we kind of had our own groups of people. 287 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: But I mean we were around each other a lot. 288 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: We fought every day for probably three or four years 289 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: from like ten to thirteen. We fist fought every single day, 290 00:13:13,400 --> 00:13:15,680 Speaker 1: like every day. So best friends would have been weird, 291 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: but we did everything together and we share We still 292 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 1: share friends that we made back then, Like someone between 293 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: our ages, you're younger than me and you're older than him, 294 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,440 Speaker 1: still are you know? Our our best friends are still 295 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: friends that we made together. So it's interesting that we 296 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: weren't like what we would have been called best friends 297 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 1: that we were. Did you guys collaborate on anything musical 298 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:36,319 Speaker 1: as teenagers like to write? Like, do you remember the 299 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,160 Speaker 1: first time you guys actually wrote something original together, not 300 00:13:39,160 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: not words to a melody that already existed, or like 301 00:13:41,679 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: a Christian parody? Yeah, I mean, okay, So it's funny. 302 00:13:46,640 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: The reason we've written songs together is because we were 303 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: I wrote all the songs. I was older, so I 304 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: wrote all the songs for our little band, and Warren 305 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: Hill was the first one, and then there was St Wren. 306 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:05,240 Speaker 1: There's a Warren theme here obviously, and uh so I 307 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 1: wrote all the songs. And then Brett started writing songs 308 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:09,679 Speaker 1: and I was like, these are good. So we kind 309 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: of started arguing about whose songs we were going to 310 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: play at the one show we played every two months, 311 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,680 Speaker 1: and we just decided to write together so we wouldn't 312 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 1: compete for the songwriting. And like thirty years and three 313 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: thousand songs and a fair number of hits later, we 314 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: realized that that was the moment we started writing songs 315 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: together and we just did it together. Did you guys 316 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: want to pursue a career in Christian music when you 317 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: were teenagers before you were excommunicated from that. The Christian 318 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,760 Speaker 1: music death metal scenes. We kind of we just it 319 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: was all we knew, a career in music, and because 320 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: we were kind of in that world where anything that 321 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: wasn't Christian was bad. Yes, but we wanted to be 322 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: on a tour bus. We want to make videos, we 323 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: wanted to play on stage, so whatever that meant Christian, 324 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,920 Speaker 1: non Christian. I grew up Southern Baptist, Yeah, what were you? 325 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,640 Speaker 1: What were you getting? But it was charismatic Southern Baptist, 326 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: So our Southern Baptist church we spoken tongues and like 327 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: people were slain in the spirit. And my grandmother was 328 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: Pentecostal and so she spoke in tongues. So I guess 329 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: I did kind of both, but in different buildings, similar 330 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: in the same church, which was odd. I remember the 331 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:23,840 Speaker 1: first time I saw her speaking tongues, and my grandmother 332 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:25,320 Speaker 1: adopted me. For a long time in my life, I 333 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:27,400 Speaker 1: was my mom too, and I was like, what is 334 00:15:27,440 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 1: happening right now? Like looking back, what are your thoughts 335 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: right now on that? Bizarre Yeah, but just wildly bizarre. 336 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: I think if I walked in now and so I'd 337 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: walk out. I okay. I was like a teenager, and 338 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 1: all the other older teenagers laid hands on me to 339 00:15:46,040 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: get my prayer language. So I was speaking tongues, and 340 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: I remember sitting there and they were, oh, I was 341 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: so hungry, and I was so tired, and they kept 342 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 1: praying for me to get my prayer language. And I 343 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: finally just started blubbering something so they would stop, you know. 344 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: And then and then when I when I started blubbering, 345 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 1: they just cheered like I was on stage at Madison 346 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: Square Garden, like they were so happy that I got 347 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: in my prayer lenks. I'm like, oh, no, I didn't. 348 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: I was just hungry. Yeah, And I would have my 349 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: assumption would be that you're because I would see I 350 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: didn't know it's called prayer language. But I remember the 351 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: first time that people would speak in tongue tongues some 352 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:19,960 Speaker 1: of it's plural or not at the Pentecostal church, and 353 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: everyone would again maybe not cheering, sometimes it was cheering, 354 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: but it was always positive, extremely positive affirmations because of it. 355 00:16:29,200 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 1: So I would go, are we sure they're just not 356 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 1: doing that for positive affirmation and they just keep doing 357 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: it because they got rewarded the first time. And so 358 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: now that's I always thought that even as a kid. 359 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if everybody was, but somebody was. Somebody 360 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: was doing that for it felt like luiji board, like 361 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: somebody is moving that thing and so but yeah, it was. 362 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: But I went to a Southern bat but we could 363 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 1: dance at our church. At the southernmost we danced too. 364 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: We did the Jeremiah dancer. Everybody held hands in line 365 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 1: and did the thing back and forth. I don't know 366 00:16:55,800 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: that they called it to Jeremiah, like a fun dance. 367 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: We always said, you know why a Baptist people don't 368 00:17:04,560 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 1: have sex standing up because they're afraid someone might think 369 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:11,760 Speaker 1: they're dancing. You know. We were like, no, no dancing 370 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,040 Speaker 1: if it was rock music. But you could flail about 371 00:17:14,040 --> 00:17:16,720 Speaker 1: the church while speaking in tongues and that was cool. 372 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 1: But you couldn't like slow dance too. You can't do 373 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:21,479 Speaker 1: it slower to music. You can do the same thing 374 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:24,280 Speaker 1: slower to music. You can only do it fast. And 375 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:26,440 Speaker 1: my church is pretty I mean. I went to a 376 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 1: Southern Baptist church, Mountain Pine Baptist, and they were actually 377 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:33,239 Speaker 1: not the typical what I hear from people who went 378 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: to other Southern Baptist churches, because some of my friends went. 379 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 1: I mean, they were just like, held, you can only 380 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: do this. We're regular. Everything's regulated. And I don't know 381 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: if it's because my town was so poor. They were 382 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 1: just like, hey man, whatever, we're just glad. Yeah, it's 383 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: just like thank you, and you gave us a buck. 384 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 1: We appreciate that. Maybe. So when do you guys decide 385 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: that to to do what you want to do, you 386 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 1: have to travel. I'm not even say go to Nashville, 387 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,760 Speaker 1: but you know there there's a point in your music 388 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 1: career or where you go. We can't just do shows here. 389 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 1: We can't be in just Tampa. Maybe we go play 390 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: show it. We gotta go Tallahassee, you know, Atlanta. When 391 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 1: you guys started, we had done a lot of that. 392 00:18:08,800 --> 00:18:10,960 Speaker 1: We moved over to the Beach right after we had 393 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: the Christian rock band. We graduate from high school. He 394 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:15,159 Speaker 1: was two years ahead of me, so he did two 395 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 1: years of college. I went to one day of college. 396 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 1: We started traveling around and ironically he's a ATUC professor 397 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: at Belmont now, so it's pretty funny. I went to 398 00:18:24,560 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 1: one day of college, I tell the kids at Belmont, 399 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: I actually say not to sidetrack. My advice is, if 400 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: you're in the songwriting school, you don't need to spend 401 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: fifty two dollars year. It's just quick school now. But 402 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 1: I love them. Do you know not to side track? 403 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: Your side track let's keep Yeah. But I went and 404 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 1: spoke at a college, Texas State University, and I went 405 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: and spoke to the radio television class and went to 406 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: the radio people, and I said, Hey, you don't don't 407 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: do radio in college, Like what are you doing? Why 408 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: are you doing? Don't do radio? Like either, if you're 409 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: trying to do what I'm doing, you're not in the 410 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,120 Speaker 1: right place you need to go be doing it. Or 411 00:18:58,359 --> 00:18:59,679 Speaker 1: if you need to get a degree like I had 412 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 1: to get a agree, don't study this while you're here. 413 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: So something else. Yeah, And they they told me I 414 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: wasn't allowed back on camping for years. I was banned 415 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: from campus. What did you study? What was yours? Well, 416 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:11,719 Speaker 1: let me I'll finish this. I got a letter from 417 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 1: them going, hey, thank you for coming, but don't you 418 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: can't come back. And then like four or five years later, 419 00:19:17,640 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: I finally got a note from the new president that 420 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: came in said hey, we would love to have you back, 421 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,360 Speaker 1: and it's funny, I still haven't been back, but yeah, 422 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: they told me these kids are all on our class, 423 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,600 Speaker 1: my class, their seniors, their songwriting majors. That's what their 424 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: major is. And I asked them, how many songs have 425 00:19:30,359 --> 00:19:33,879 Speaker 1: you written this year? One? I started? One, I've written 426 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 1: to you know, like very few, and I'm like, I'm 427 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:39,560 Speaker 1: fifty one. I've had quite a few hits and I've 428 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 1: written thousands of songs and I've written six this week. 429 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 1: Like you're competing with Jim Bieber's. You're competing with you know, 430 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 1: you didn't write six songs? No, but I mean maybe 431 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:51,479 Speaker 1: six songs in the month, two weeks whatever. I mean, 432 00:19:51,520 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: they're they're they're not doing what they want to do. 433 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: The only way to do that is to actually do it. 434 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,679 Speaker 1: It's that simple. I wish I could. My whole class 435 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:02,199 Speaker 1: is about sort of just the the psychology of just 436 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:05,359 Speaker 1: doing it. And we have they graduate on May the five, 437 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: and I always have a class called May the six. 438 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: Were are you working? Is your dad cutting you off financially? 439 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,040 Speaker 1: Where are you living? What are you gonna do to 440 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:13,720 Speaker 1: be able to write four to five songs a week 441 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: to compete with Ernest and all these new writers that 442 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: are coming up there your age, and so it's just 443 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,320 Speaker 1: real practical. And so I didn't learn that in my 444 00:20:19,359 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: one day of college. But what if some what if 445 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:22,639 Speaker 1: a kid came and miss class. It's a bunch of 446 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,360 Speaker 1: class and you're like, hey, yo, where are you been? 447 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:27,679 Speaker 1: Like I literally got a call to do some writing, 448 00:20:27,880 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 1: and sorry, but I wrote these songs. What do you 449 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 1: do as the instructor? Um, it's it's his choice, he's 450 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: gonna have to make. I don't really monitor. I don't 451 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: even keep a tab of attendance. I'm they'll in my class. 452 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,840 Speaker 1: They'll meet Troy Tomlinson one week and Seth England and 453 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,919 Speaker 1: Ken Levitan and managers and producers and big writers and 454 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: we meet on Tuesdays and Thursdays and they meet someone 455 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:53,760 Speaker 1: like yourself in the business on a Tuesday, and then 456 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,920 Speaker 1: we'll talk about radio and what a radio promo tour 457 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 1: looks like and what that would look like for you. 458 00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:00,159 Speaker 1: Or we'll have a manager and say what do you 459 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 1: need a manager or a business manager? And so if 460 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 1: they don't want to meet, if their songwrinning majors and 461 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: they don't want to meet Ben Vaughan or Troy Tomlinson 462 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: or you know, Seth England. Yeah, I'm like your seniors. 463 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: This this is class as a gift for you. I 464 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 1: don't do test. I don't need a paper. You're telling 465 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 1: me what music means to you. I'm gonna introduce you 466 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: to real people that tell their story and they're all 467 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: very similar. Can they fail? Um, if they don't show 468 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: up for the class, they failed. But if they didn't 469 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 1: show U because they're writing songs, I'm gonna fail them. Yeah, 470 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 1: you write songs at another time. You've committed to this class. 471 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: That's what I was hired to do. So yeah, you 472 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: have to work around it. Write the songs that failed. 473 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: Don't worry about if they're great songs. Yeah, it's a 474 00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:36,960 Speaker 1: it's a choice you have to make. I went and 475 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:40,280 Speaker 1: I've spoken. Where do you Belmont? I did lips come 476 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,520 Speaker 1: for three years and that this semester I'm gonna teach it. Belma, 477 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: what do you mean this semester like January starting to 478 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,919 Speaker 1: spring semester? Correct? You know when I'm coming up? I spoke. 479 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: I mean I've spoken to munch of schools. But one 480 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,400 Speaker 1: of the last ones that I spoke at. I shouldn't 481 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 1: in a position it s I teach, but I get 482 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 1: my day to day manager. She was actually a college student. 483 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,639 Speaker 1: Wrote my name here it is, emailed me for an internship. 484 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 1: She emailed me, brought her on as an intern assistant producer. 485 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,080 Speaker 1: Couldn't really pair that much their hider is my assistant, um, 486 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 1: executive producer, head producer, and then took her she worked 487 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: in red Line Management now as my day to day 488 00:22:14,600 --> 00:22:16,800 Speaker 1: manager for me speaking at a class, we speaking because 489 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: I would go and be like, this is what's happening, 490 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:20,719 Speaker 1: this is how you do it, this is what and 491 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 1: then that's made that connection there. It's oh yeah, Like 492 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 1: like I got out the door. She was like, hey, 493 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 1: I'd love to talk about an internship, and I was like, 494 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: that's what I'm talking about. That's exactly how there's always 495 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: one kid in the class. It's just like there's a 496 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: girl Peyton Porters and artist. She was one of my 497 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: classes and she was doing every music show and emailing 498 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: people in writing songs even when she was in my class. 499 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,080 Speaker 1: And she's the one that's kind of moved forward and 500 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:44,960 Speaker 1: really doing it. You can just sort of tell the 501 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 1: people that aren't letting grass grow to their feet, they're 502 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 1: moving and shaken. You guys started moving and shaking? When 503 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 1: when you when did you start going? We gotta make money, 504 00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 1: we gotta travel. So we started. Okay, So we started 505 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: as this like original band, doing showcases and working day jobs. 506 00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 1: And at some point we just got tired of working 507 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: at a job, so we started learning cover songs and 508 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,000 Speaker 1: playing beach bars and happy hours. And we did that 509 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,479 Speaker 1: for a couple of years. It was cool. And one 510 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: day I had just that day, we lived in this 511 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: little shock on the beach, which is pretty fun, and 512 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: we played for the tourists and and I had decided, 513 00:23:20,880 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: like we gotta get out. We had visited Nashville a 514 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 1: few times, um, and we didn't know if we were 515 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: a rock band or a country just we just knew 516 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:30,399 Speaker 1: that this was a music town. And I had just decided, like, 517 00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: we're gonna move to Nashville. I'm done with this. And 518 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 1: like that night Brett came home and he goes, dude, 519 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 1: if you heard that song I Can't make you Love 520 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:38,440 Speaker 1: being a Bonnie radio? Yeah, of course, And he said, 521 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,080 Speaker 1: I've heard that song on the way home and maybe 522 00:23:41,080 --> 00:23:43,640 Speaker 1: pull off the road and and just sit and listen 523 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,520 Speaker 1: to the whole thing. And I'm just we we need 524 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,880 Speaker 1: to move to Nashville. Expecting me to say, oh, let's see, 525 00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: And I said, yeah, I'm ready to go. Let's go tomorrow. 526 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: So we didn't go tomorrow, but we went like a 527 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,080 Speaker 1: month later, maybe two months later. We got in and 528 00:23:54,160 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 1: our we shared a Toyota Corolla. I don't know, some 529 00:23:58,000 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: girl gave it to him. Long story, Um, a girl 530 00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: gave you a car. Christian rock pays off. Girls gave 531 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:10,200 Speaker 1: the cars. Crazy. Yeah, just and I could speak in 532 00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,439 Speaker 1: tongues really good. I didn't mean that the way it 533 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:17,840 Speaker 1: came out, but you guys all took a but literally 534 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,400 Speaker 1: what happened was we came here and we didn't even 535 00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,359 Speaker 1: know what we do for a living now exist. What 536 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: was your expectation that when you tell him let's move 537 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:25,359 Speaker 1: to Nashville, what do you think he would say? And 538 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,199 Speaker 1: what did you want from him? I was just I 539 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: was just passionate about it. I was so you did 540 00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: really want to go? I was really wanting to go. 541 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: I was probably gonna go no matter what. But I 542 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,199 Speaker 1: knew he would do. You know, we could kind of 543 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,479 Speaker 1: tell we were We're frustrated in the idea that there 544 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 1: was a low feeling, like you said, we've got to 545 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,159 Speaker 1: get out of here. That was that was kind of 546 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,400 Speaker 1: like understood. But we were we were so sheltered as 547 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 1: kids that those two or three years that our mid 548 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,359 Speaker 1: twenties playing covers for a living, it was something we 549 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: needed to grow up. We were paying our rent and 550 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,479 Speaker 1: figure out how to play music entertain crowds, and we 551 00:24:55,560 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: needed that. We're just kind of late bloomers and uh, 552 00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: but we were coming here to be stars. We were 553 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,159 Speaker 1: gonna here to be Keith Irvin, you know. So we 554 00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: knew one guy here. He was a host at Bennegan's, 555 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,160 Speaker 1: this guy named Johnny V. And he introduced the first personally. 556 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,440 Speaker 1: So we rented an apartment, the one bedroom we shared 557 00:25:10,520 --> 00:25:12,800 Speaker 1: one bedroom apartment, and we went to see our buddy 558 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,000 Speaker 1: that worked at Bennigan's as a host, was the only 559 00:25:15,000 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: person we knew in in Nashville, and he introduced us 560 00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: to his friend that was also a host of Bennigan's, 561 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 1: Shane mcinneally. Wow, literally, and he was just like, I mean, 562 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: he was further behind that we were in the music business. 563 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: He had Shane was probably how old was probably and yeah, 564 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,399 Speaker 1: I'm a songwriter too, are like cool? I mean, he 565 00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 1: was like, I had no idea he would become the 566 00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,639 Speaker 1: one guy from Florida that had made a connection here 567 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 1: with a guy named Buzz Cason who has a studio 568 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:45,239 Speaker 1: right next to Black But we didn't know forever and 569 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: Buzz introduced us to a new songwriter in town that 570 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: we started writing some songs, was named Tom Douglas. We 571 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: had no idea that we were gonna start getting mentored 572 00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: and start writing songs with that guy that caliber. Have 573 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 1: you seen his documentary? Oh? Yeah, isn't it? It's the 574 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:04,000 Speaker 1: greatest I've watched, even if I didn't know Tom and 575 00:26:04,080 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: didn't know his work, and the house that built me 576 00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:09,200 Speaker 1: for everybody listening would probably be the song that most 577 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:15,640 Speaker 1: people associate with him. The documentary is so good. Every watch. 578 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: It's not even a Documentary's kind of like a monologue. Yeah, 579 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: it's like a moving monologue, like a moving docu log 580 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,720 Speaker 1: I don't moving, But he said that's exactly what it is. 581 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: He was like, would you like to watch this? This 582 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 1: is a year and a half ago, maybe because we 583 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,239 Speaker 1: don't know what to do with it. And I watched it, 584 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: and I was so moved by it that I was 585 00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:37,639 Speaker 1: as honest, like he said, I don't know what to 586 00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,560 Speaker 1: do with it either, but I do know what it 587 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:42,879 Speaker 1: did to me, and and I actually felt all and 588 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 1: I just kind of listed the things that I felt. 589 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:46,920 Speaker 1: And is it even out? Can you get Yeah? It's 590 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,959 Speaker 1: on Paramount Plus. Okay, well then let me do a 591 00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: little plug here. I should probably get Tom back on. 592 00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,199 Speaker 1: Then it's called Love Tom Tom. It's on Paramount Plus, 593 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: and um, Jason Owen kind of helped him move it there, 594 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:01,720 Speaker 1: and he just moved from one stage and one song. 595 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,760 Speaker 1: And every songwriter should have to watch that. He's telling 596 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,080 Speaker 1: the story of his life and wraps in the songs 597 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,600 Speaker 1: that he's written and kind of the psychology of songs 598 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,960 Speaker 1: and life. And I don't even think it'd be a 599 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,320 Speaker 1: songwriter to enjoy it, don't. Yeah, my kids don't really, 600 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 1: they're not paying much attention. And my son when came out, 601 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,600 Speaker 1: he's seventeen. I was like he was fifteen. We sat 602 00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: down and said watch this with me, and he got done. 603 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: He goes, I get it. I love it. It's awesome. 604 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:26,440 Speaker 1: And you met Tom when you get first out here 605 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: close to which is crazy because everyone was like, you 606 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 1: guys don't even seem like you would know. Tom Douglass 607 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 1: he still like you. Yeah, Yeah, we're great. We're great friends. 608 00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:35,880 Speaker 1: A matter of fact, we were. We were we think 609 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: we were budding alcoholic drug addicts when we met Tom, 610 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 1: and he somehow dealt with us, and then we became sober. 611 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: We really became close. And he's like, gosh, I was 612 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: still worried about you guys for so long, but we Yeah, 613 00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 1: we loved each other right away. We were really different. 614 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: Did you guys struggle together with alcoholism or addiction or 615 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,359 Speaker 1: almost Yeah? And I said that from somebody that my 616 00:27:56,440 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 1: mom died of addiction. Yeah, and I talked about it 617 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: pretty freely and openly. So so the way, yeah, I 618 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:02,320 Speaker 1: want to get to that too. That you you don't drink, right, 619 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 1: that's amazing, because um, I think that you probably need 620 00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: a reason. But it's imagine what you could accomplish in 621 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: life if you just eliminated that time sucking, energy sucking 622 00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 1: thing of alcohol and drugs. Even even people that don't 623 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: have a problem, it's a lot of time spent doing that. 624 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:21,760 Speaker 1: I mean, you're kind of living proof. But I've always 625 00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:24,120 Speaker 1: been kind of amazed with someone who could see that 626 00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 1: as a potential problem, especially someone who had a parent 627 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 1: or a sibling to struggle with it, and the tendency 628 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,199 Speaker 1: is for that person to just delve in and do 629 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,639 Speaker 1: it the same thing anyway. And I loved, I always 630 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 1: loved the story that you just didn't do it because 631 00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 1: you saw that. I mean, you think that helps your career. 632 00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 1: I first let me say for me, I don't really. 633 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure we all have similar views. We've all experienced 634 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: different versions of it right through different parts of our family, 635 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,560 Speaker 1: and so for me, I've been just scared of it. 636 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: I wish I could drink. I wish I don't have 637 00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: the ability to relax ever, and I have to go 638 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: through I got to a therapist, and I have some 639 00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 1: like severe PTSD stuff from being attacked and jumped. Had 640 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: nothing to do with it, but I can't ever just 641 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: go ever, So when I see my friends be able 642 00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 1: to have a beer or two have a drink, I'm 643 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: very jealous. I envied the the ability to have something 644 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: that would make you just go okay, there's a slightly 645 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: lesson the only thing I've ever had that made me 646 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 1: feel like, oh, this is awesome, and I wish I 647 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: could have it all the time. It's laughing gas like, 648 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: so I had a lot of sugar on purpose. Alright, alright, 649 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 1: talcing back hit me. But I am I always knew though, 650 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: And it's not the same with other parts of my family. 651 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:39,040 Speaker 1: Not everybody made the same decision I did. And I 652 00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:40,840 Speaker 1: look back now and I'm like, how how did I 653 00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: even no? Because there was a lot of trouble and 654 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 1: I had to raise myself in many ways, But I 655 00:29:46,520 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 1: don't know how I was able to go I'm never 656 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 1: gonna do it, and I never did it, and I 657 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,880 Speaker 1: am shocked by that. Let me put your mind at ease. Well, 658 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. Everyone have a different opinion on this. 659 00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 1: I think it's a gift. Sobriety is a gift because 660 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: the crutch that we used to relax does work for 661 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,120 Speaker 1: about twenty minutes, maybe an hour if you don't have 662 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: a problem, but it doesn't really work in the long run. 663 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: Anything that gave me what I would call relief wound 664 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: up with bad behavior and a terrible hangover and something 665 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: that I regretted. And you don't have to wake up 666 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 1: in the morning and wonder who you texted or what 667 00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,440 Speaker 1: you said, and if you make a mistake, you can 668 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 1: kind of own it because it was you. And that's 669 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: the worst part. I don't want to for people that 670 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,280 Speaker 1: don't have a problem, that don't have the addiction, they 671 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,320 Speaker 1: can't have a beer or a glass of wine, and 672 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: it does sort of jealous. But for guys like us 673 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: that we have the disease, I mean, alcohol really wasn't 674 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: our problem, it was our solution. We were the same way. 675 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,440 Speaker 1: I didn't really realize that growing up, but I was 676 00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: insecure and I wanted people to like me, and I 677 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:47,320 Speaker 1: felt uncomfortable and socially awkward. And then when I would 678 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: drink a couple of drinks, I just didn't care. And 679 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 1: I was the wild guy and the funny guy. So 680 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: if four drinks were good, twelve were amazing. And it 681 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: just with everything. It's really that way. You guys have 682 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: addictive personalities and more, yeah, or drug of choices more, 683 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: but caffeine. I overdo caffeine to this day. I think 684 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: I work a lot, and it's in keep your mind busy. 685 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,400 Speaker 1: I absolutely and I understand why someone like we talked 686 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,080 Speaker 1: about him earlier, Tom Tom McGraw, where he would work 687 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: out all the time. Because if you have an addictive personality, 688 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: and I do, God, I do with everything I do. 689 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: I decided earlier to to like fill that hunger with hopeful, 690 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: hopefully positive things. I'm gonna be addicted to something, Okay, 691 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: I got it, But what I'm gonna be addicted to 692 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 1: are things that are going to be the healthiest option 693 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: for me. Not always healthy. It's not healthy. How much 694 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,719 Speaker 1: I work, it's not healthy. How much I'm obsessed with 695 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what it is for this three months 696 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: or year, or it's not healthy. But I think it's 697 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,040 Speaker 1: healthier than where I want to go. If you deal 698 00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: with your anxiousness and your anxieties by overworking, it's not 699 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: necessarily perfect, but it's a lot better than if you 700 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,080 Speaker 1: dealt with them without. Because people ask me what you 701 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: missed about not drinking, and I say, the first thirty minutes, 702 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: you don't drink it all anymore. No, seventeen years, it's 703 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 1: neither one of us correct. We started together, we used together, 704 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 1: we quit together. Why did you quit at the bottom? 705 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: Whenever people alway asked, did you get a du y? 706 00:32:14,400 --> 00:32:17,080 Speaker 1: None of that, just we were done. I wanted to 707 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 1: quit and my wife was about to leave. She didn't. 708 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,120 Speaker 1: She stopped crying. She sat me down lovingly and said, hey, 709 00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: you know what, I really care about you and worried 710 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,239 Speaker 1: about you. I'm gonna move home to Detroit. I had 711 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 1: two little kids at the time, and I was like, Wow, 712 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: this is really happening. And it kind of was this 713 00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: clarity moment and then it was still about a year 714 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: and a half till I fully quit it. But I 715 00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 1: really tried on my own. I'm only gonna drink on 716 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: the weekends. I'm only gonna drink wine. I'm not gonna 717 00:32:40,840 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: take pills. I mean, fill in the blank. I was 718 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: trying to do it myself and we kind of were 719 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,520 Speaker 1: out and L's be honest, you didn't get a duy 720 00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 1: because we lived on a bus. Because I'm not playing 721 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: like patting myself on the back. But there wasn't like 722 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 1: a big incident like that that it was just cocaine 723 00:32:57,080 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: and it was that's no good. It's really fun right 724 00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: up until it stops. It looks a lot, and I'm 725 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: being honest, it looks like great fun, Like it looks 726 00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:06,960 Speaker 1: like the greatest fun ever. And I don't even say 727 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:10,479 Speaker 1: that joking. Late's I all my friends they have, they 728 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: went to college, they have all these stories in college 729 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,520 Speaker 1: of parties and oh what look what we did. You 730 00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,040 Speaker 1: know what I did? I went to work and yes 731 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,040 Speaker 1: it's great now it is great, but you know there 732 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,720 Speaker 1: is There's My point is I'm not I don't celebrate 733 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,120 Speaker 1: the fact that I never had a drink. I look 734 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: at my trophy. I go. It's hard, and I wish 735 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: that I could not. But I know where I have deficiencies. 736 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: I think we all have them in different areas of 737 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: our life. It's just I also don't keep sugar in 738 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,360 Speaker 1: the house because I know I eat it all right then, 739 00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,240 Speaker 1: right then, and there, all of it. I'll eat a 740 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 1: whole cake, so I can still do that. I'm as 741 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:45,920 Speaker 1: healthy as my grocery store trip. That if you have 742 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: kale and almonds and blueberries a lot right now. And 743 00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: I intermittent fast My kids are tired of hearing. They 744 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: want to hear it anymore. But I can deny myself 745 00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: much better than I can moderate myself. Same and the 746 00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 1: same reasons, because once I start, I literally eat for 747 00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: eight hours straight. It's almost like I am addicted to 748 00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: intermittent fasting. Once I start, or whatever it is, yeah, 749 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:10,640 Speaker 1: it's like I'm gonna I'm gonna be there. I want 750 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,640 Speaker 1: to be the best at everything too, so I know 751 00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 1: that if I drank, I'll be the number one drinker. 752 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:15,600 Speaker 1: I want to be the number one intermittent, faster. I 753 00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: want to be So you know what you said that 754 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,839 Speaker 1: resonated with me was your wife stopped crying, Because that's 755 00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:25,120 Speaker 1: a that's a stage in it for whomever you're with. 756 00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: Even with my mom, it got to the point where 757 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,720 Speaker 1: I wasn't upset anymore and I was just like, Okay, 758 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,879 Speaker 1: well I've exhausted that part and it's not going to 759 00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,680 Speaker 1: get better because of the exhaustion and the emotion. So 760 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,319 Speaker 1: now we're at this stage. And you know, there were 761 00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,319 Speaker 1: times checking her in and out of places that were 762 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,760 Speaker 1: very difficult before she died, and but that is a stage. 763 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: That was a stage that I had. But you know, 764 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,080 Speaker 1: her brother died also. The same reason my dad left 765 00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:53,240 Speaker 1: was when you're from a small town in a rural 766 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:55,440 Speaker 1: area where there aren't a lot of options, Like I 767 00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:59,480 Speaker 1: understand the opioid epidemic in the way of I get it. 768 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,719 Speaker 1: I hate it, it sucks, but I get it. When 769 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:06,680 Speaker 1: you have no options, hopelessness and isolation. I would do 770 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,040 Speaker 1: if I if I were hopeless and isolated and sad 771 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 1: and here's something that can make me not be for 772 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,520 Speaker 1: a bit, I would. So it's a fun definitely. Well, 773 00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: I want to know what age you were when you 774 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 1: just said, like, I don't remember it, always knew it, 775 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,359 Speaker 1: just just do it, I would see, am I real 776 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:26,160 Speaker 1: doubt left? Right? So I never he left five or six? 777 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: I vaguely remember then. How old were you when you 778 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: gave up with you? I mean, like, I don't mean 779 00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:31,640 Speaker 1: gave up, but you know what I mean when you said, Okay, 780 00:35:31,680 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: I can't not the emotion is not gonna fix this 781 00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,239 Speaker 1: for which part? Like when you stopped getting stressed about 782 00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:39,799 Speaker 1: her going to rehab or or over. Never I never 783 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,960 Speaker 1: got stressed about her. I just always had this romantic 784 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:48,239 Speaker 1: version in my head of her because I knew and you, guys, 785 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,600 Speaker 1: maybe you can disagreet you like I knew. For her 786 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,120 Speaker 1: to get better, she had to get to a place 787 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,360 Speaker 1: where she wanted to do it holy herself. For a 788 00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,000 Speaker 1: long time, I felt like I can want it so 789 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 1: bad for her and if she kinds of kind of 790 00:35:58,280 --> 00:35:59,920 Speaker 1: wants it. And then I started to make money. I 791 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: was like, great, I'll wire some land, bought some land, 792 00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: then bought her a place to live. But I was 793 00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:08,120 Speaker 1: actually doing what I shouldn't be doing, and I was 794 00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 1: aiding her. Yeah, and so as I'm enabling her, it's tough. 795 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:15,399 Speaker 1: People don't know. They don't know, so then it's okay. Well, 796 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: but I'm doing all this stuff I thought could help, 797 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:20,680 Speaker 1: but actually enabled her to have more time and more 798 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: resources to do that. And so she I don't think 799 00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:25,839 Speaker 1: she ever really wanted it. I don't think she knew. 800 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 1: But again, she had me. She got pregnant fifteen. You know, 801 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:34,440 Speaker 1: she never didn't know poverty. So I have a sister, yeah, younger, younger, 802 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 1: four years younger, and I had to do a lot 803 00:36:36,040 --> 00:36:40,640 Speaker 1: of that raising myself. Um, she's closer. My sister had 804 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,240 Speaker 1: some struggles. She lived here, No, she lives in Arkansas, 805 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 1: where I'm from. So but she never really my mom. 806 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,719 Speaker 1: I at one point, I don't make this about me, 807 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: but I just find it so fascinating that you guys 808 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: will openly talk about it because I know you guys 809 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,680 Speaker 1: have gone through parallels or and I'll end on my 810 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,960 Speaker 1: part of this story with this. I had been jumped 811 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: at work and had a gun held in my head. 812 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,200 Speaker 1: I's had a radio event and death threat that. A 813 00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 1: lot of stuff happened, and I've been to the doctor. 814 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,840 Speaker 1: I don't like to take medicine even because I'm so 815 00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,279 Speaker 1: scared to be addicted to stuff, but there are times 816 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: where I have to take medicine because I'm also you know, 817 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: I'm not hippie. So I went to the doctor and 818 00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,000 Speaker 1: we started really light and tried all these things because 819 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,520 Speaker 1: I wasn't sleeping. I'd i'd go maybe get an hour 820 00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,080 Speaker 1: sleep every two nights because I closed my eyes and 821 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 1: I was getting attacked constantly my dreams or my sleep, 822 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 1: and so we tried all this stuff. Finally he said, hey, 823 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: why don't we try this sleeping pill. We tried everything 824 00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 1: because I'm scared to get addicted. Because great, then let's 825 00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:34,360 Speaker 1: not you cannot sleep. We go through all the process, 826 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:37,520 Speaker 1: took sleeping pills, got to the point on them where 827 00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,759 Speaker 1: I was dependent. I'm not gonna say addictive, but I 828 00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,600 Speaker 1: was definitely dependent. And there's a there's a difference. There's 829 00:37:41,600 --> 00:37:45,359 Speaker 1: a difference. Yeah, And I stopped and I went through 830 00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: some crazy withdrawal from the sleeping pills, and I vomited 831 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,280 Speaker 1: for a few days, Blurry felt terrible, and I remember 832 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,840 Speaker 1: thinking to myself, if this is withdrawal from sleeping pills, 833 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:55,839 Speaker 1: if I'm my mom, I would never stop taking meth 834 00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: and how violent and that going on. I feel so 835 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 1: ukey to have gone through that because it gave me 836 00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:06,920 Speaker 1: an understanding of the monster that she was constantly fighting, 837 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,439 Speaker 1: that that addicted, not just the addiction part, but okay, 838 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 1: if she wanted to quit, and then she went through 839 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 1: something that was I don't even understand, and for me 840 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,919 Speaker 1: it was awful. Am I was sleeping pills. It wasn't 841 00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 1: even like the hard stuff that she had got addicted to, 842 00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 1: and so that was I'm very grateful for that sleeping 843 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:29,640 Speaker 1: pill instance an issue, just for that understanding. It's like 844 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:32,239 Speaker 1: my wife, we we I mean, that's a different story, 845 00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:33,879 Speaker 1: but we might her or may not get to him 846 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,520 Speaker 1: like we My son had. My oldest son had this 847 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,719 Speaker 1: this issue and we lost him. But my wife would 848 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,040 Speaker 1: take it personally and I was like, you don't, because 849 00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 1: I'm an addict. I completely understood, I've been through. Everything 850 00:38:45,840 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 1: is not personal. He's not doing this to misbehave. It 851 00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:51,680 Speaker 1: is literally it's more of a miracle. The moment in 852 00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 1: time that passes where he doesn't do this. It's way 853 00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,919 Speaker 1: more of a miracle that I don't drink today than 854 00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,600 Speaker 1: than crazy that I did. I am programmed to do that. 855 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,040 Speaker 1: I was the best at drinking. Maybe he was the best, 856 00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 1: but when we were first and second place often, UM, 857 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,759 Speaker 1: and it that is the I mean your program that 858 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,399 Speaker 1: way and having experienced it, which is why we're able 859 00:39:10,440 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 1: to help a lot of people, um and recover. We 860 00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,400 Speaker 1: do it because if you if you don't understand it, 861 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, yeah, yeah, I know, I know that, 862 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:17,600 Speaker 1: I recognize that. And then people can tell you the 863 00:39:17,600 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 1: worst things about them and you're like, yeah, I get it, 864 00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,759 Speaker 1: and they kind of are almost taken aback by the 865 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,319 Speaker 1: fact that you're not jumping on them or gasping and 866 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,319 Speaker 1: whatever it might be. And UM that that is the 867 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,319 Speaker 1: gift and the transfer of it on. But if you 868 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:32,800 Speaker 1: haven't had that experience what you had, it's hard to 869 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,920 Speaker 1: understand you. It's like, that's why would you do that? 870 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:43,759 Speaker 1: I understand. Empathy is such a tool and you only 871 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,520 Speaker 1: get it through struggle, and nobody wants to struggle. So 872 00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:50,680 Speaker 1: it's something that old saying good judgment comes from experience 873 00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,600 Speaker 1: and experience comes from bad judgment. It's like kind of 874 00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:57,480 Speaker 1: like that, but are usage of alcohol and drugs. It 875 00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,200 Speaker 1: seems like this, oh yeah, we had to quit. We 876 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:03,000 Speaker 1: party too hard. Literally, there's two I've found and being 877 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,680 Speaker 1: Brad talking about all the time, there's two ways to 878 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,440 Speaker 1: look at recovery. It's either like like this punishment where 879 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 1: you get locked in a cage, or it's a gift. 880 00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,360 Speaker 1: And the gift side of it is because of the 881 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:14,160 Speaker 1: kind of strange way we grew up. It kind of 882 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,440 Speaker 1: developed a real relationship with God with us and everything 883 00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,120 Speaker 1: that was bad. We kind of lost our record We 884 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,160 Speaker 1: didn't know songwriting existed. We moved here to be big stars, 885 00:40:22,760 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 1: and we sort of wasted the way that decade and 886 00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:28,919 Speaker 1: drank away our major opportunities. Um And I was like, well, what, okay, 887 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 1: I've quit drinking, I'm sober now, but what good is 888 00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,640 Speaker 1: going to come out of this? Did you find God 889 00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,839 Speaker 1: going to use that great unviolated to my next thing? Right? 890 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:39,440 Speaker 1: So you lose your you lost the deal. Nine eleven 891 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,040 Speaker 1: happens we get kicked off our tour, because it's not 892 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,719 Speaker 1: kicked off for doing something wrong, but the tour ends. 893 00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:46,800 Speaker 1: We lost our record deal, lost our publishing deal, and 894 00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:50,239 Speaker 1: then our dad died two days before Christmas two thousand one, 895 00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 1: and are having fun. We're a party where the rock 896 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 1: and roll country guys led to serious medicating and it 897 00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:00,600 Speaker 1: went downhill from there. And so what is four we got? 898 00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:03,880 Speaker 1: That was one four years, four years of total deck, 899 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,760 Speaker 1: four years of just interestingly when we when we got silber, 900 00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,200 Speaker 1: when it's time, I'm like, oh my god, I'm never 901 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,359 Speaker 1: gonna be able to be creative again. When I was going, 902 00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,000 Speaker 1: here's the ironing and that no one's gonna like us, 903 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,320 Speaker 1: we found out no one liked us. Okay, so worrying 904 00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,799 Speaker 1: about the creative process, I am not drinking any where. 905 00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,000 Speaker 1: I'm never gonna be able to be creative again. This 906 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,400 Speaker 1: is it's over. We had zero hits. We had a 907 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 1: record deal, but we we had written a bunch of 908 00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:29,160 Speaker 1: songs that were not hits. We had no hits, and 909 00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:32,080 Speaker 1: I was protecting something that didn't even exist, which was 910 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,120 Speaker 1: a successful songwriting career. Oh my god, I mean, I 911 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 1: can't quit drinking or I'm not gonna be able to write. 912 00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:38,240 Speaker 1: And the year we quit writing, we had two hits. 913 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:40,280 Speaker 1: We had never had a hit. We we and actually 914 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,680 Speaker 1: became songwriters because there was a little humility and becoming 915 00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,880 Speaker 1: the service guy that helped other artists get where they 916 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:48,719 Speaker 1: wanted to go. And we realized that our talent wasn't 917 00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,600 Speaker 1: helping someone get where they wanted to go instead of 918 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:53,759 Speaker 1: being the artist, and we started writing and trying to 919 00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,680 Speaker 1: help other people, and immediately we had hits and we've 920 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:58,719 Speaker 1: had a great career since that moment. But I was 921 00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,480 Speaker 1: so afraid that we were gonna lose this edge of 922 00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,200 Speaker 1: creativity we had, and I had no success before. That's 923 00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,160 Speaker 1: how insane it is. Was there a clarity that was 924 00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:14,280 Speaker 1: surprising once you started to create non medicated? Oh yeah, 925 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,400 Speaker 1: I mean there's that the pink cloud if you just 926 00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:22,880 Speaker 1: a feel better. I remember driving home going over got 927 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,239 Speaker 1: nothing on me drinking. I wanted to to pull me. 928 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,319 Speaker 1: I was like, pull me over, dude, so fast for 929 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,160 Speaker 1: like a year. So it's like you just have this 930 00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,560 Speaker 1: freedom and then you know, just going going to the 931 00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:34,719 Speaker 1: meetings and staying clear in your mind just gets clear 932 00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:36,759 Speaker 1: with every day and you have it comes from a 933 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,200 Speaker 1: place of humility and total honesty. That exhale you were 934 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,400 Speaker 1: talking about earlier. You know, it's hard for me to 935 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,280 Speaker 1: get that too, But I find it in moments like these, 936 00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:48,359 Speaker 1: or when we're just sitting with other people and we're 937 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:50,960 Speaker 1: just being completely honest and no one's worried about what 938 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 1: you're gonna say, you're gonna judge you, or you made 939 00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:54,719 Speaker 1: a joke that went too far. It's just like this 940 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 1: moment when everybody's just sort of being compassionate, empathetic and honest, 941 00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:00,640 Speaker 1: and you can kind of those are the moments try go. 942 00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,120 Speaker 1: You know what those sobriety is is. I'm want to 943 00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:07,319 Speaker 1: say better sobriety is easier for us than it is 944 00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:10,319 Speaker 1: for you in a way because we've been through a 945 00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,360 Speaker 1: lot of that hell that your mom went through. The 946 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 1: little issue you have with sleeping pills, we had that 947 00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:18,000 Speaker 1: for ten years, and yes there was fun involved, but 948 00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:20,640 Speaker 1: towards the end it was total medication, total fun. So 949 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,600 Speaker 1: it's really easier for us because we experienced so much 950 00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:27,680 Speaker 1: hell emotionally, spiritually, physically, just feeling horrible the whole time. 951 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,759 Speaker 1: Makes it every day that I wake up and I 952 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,759 Speaker 1: don't have to wonder what I did. I've never in 953 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:33,759 Speaker 1: seventeen years woken up and saying, man, I wish I 954 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,719 Speaker 1: got hammered last night. It's never happened. So if I 955 00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:40,960 Speaker 1: can delay the gratification until the next morning, it's it's 956 00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:43,400 Speaker 1: actually really a gift because it was so bad. What 957 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,759 Speaker 1: were the two songs that you said, the Lucky One, 958 00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:50,880 Speaker 1: the Lucky Anyway and anyway from our talk bride, So 959 00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,480 Speaker 1: did you write them near each other, because they came 960 00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,840 Speaker 1: out a couple of years apart. We we really remember 961 00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:01,000 Speaker 1: the Lucky One got cut, Okay, the Lucky One we 962 00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,719 Speaker 1: wrote before I'm sorry. So the two we had at 963 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:04,960 Speaker 1: the same time we're anyway and if you're reading this 964 00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,720 Speaker 1: and they were up at the same time. The Lucky 965 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,239 Speaker 1: One we had written earlier. We actually wrote that before 966 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,120 Speaker 1: we got sober, so it became a hit after we 967 00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:15,600 Speaker 1: got sober. But we wrote anyway, and if you're reading this, 968 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,359 Speaker 1: like the first year we got silver, Now, they didn't 969 00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,440 Speaker 1: become hits immediately, but that was our first year of 970 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,520 Speaker 1: sobriety is writing And to be honest, we we play 971 00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:28,160 Speaker 1: a corporate nights Songwriter City all the time, um and 972 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:32,080 Speaker 1: and at five minutes set and we've written a lot 973 00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,920 Speaker 1: of songs, thousands, and had a lot of hits, and 974 00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,280 Speaker 1: we still to this day will play if you're reading 975 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,120 Speaker 1: this in anyway, and that set because they were that 976 00:44:40,239 --> 00:44:42,759 Speaker 1: so that first year of sobriety produced something that we 977 00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,880 Speaker 1: still make a living off of. I saw Tim do 978 00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:47,640 Speaker 1: if you're reading this, when he put out the book 979 00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:49,799 Speaker 1: a year and a half orso ago. They did the 980 00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,359 Speaker 1: theater tour and he performed that. And to hear that 981 00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:57,080 Speaker 1: song acoustic and in person, it's a gut I mean 982 00:44:57,120 --> 00:44:59,600 Speaker 1: it's it's a gut punch. And I've heard the song 983 00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:05,200 Speaker 1: because it came out so like that's when I remember it. 984 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:11,040 Speaker 1: But to hear it again in person acoustic, every word right, 985 00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:14,879 Speaker 1: because for me, I love slow acoustic, even sad songs. 986 00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:18,719 Speaker 1: I can hear the words. There's not a piece of fat. 987 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,759 Speaker 1: It's it's so strong. We've had some cool just going 988 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:23,200 Speaker 1: out in the road to write with him. He'll let 989 00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,200 Speaker 1: us come up on stage and play with him and 990 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,399 Speaker 1: we'll play that song and we've had, you know, right 991 00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,399 Speaker 1: after we wrote it. It was kind of a hit 992 00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,200 Speaker 1: for him. While we're playing it, ladies come up and 993 00:45:33,239 --> 00:45:35,399 Speaker 1: set their husband's dog tags on the stage. I mean, 994 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:38,000 Speaker 1: me and Brad are sobbing while we're playing. We've got 995 00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,960 Speaker 1: to play Walter Reid. It's every night. But we've we 996 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,600 Speaker 1: do these corporate shows, and corporations just hires it. It's 997 00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:48,040 Speaker 1: the greatest job ever because they're there and they're listening 998 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:52,160 Speaker 1: and we play that particular song and usually it's just 999 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:53,759 Speaker 1: it's like the song of the night. It is. It's 1000 00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,560 Speaker 1: just a I don't know why, it's just Dirk Smitley 1001 00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,000 Speaker 1: told us we came about it, well, that's the best 1002 00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:00,640 Speaker 1: song I never want to hear. Yes, you're right, it's 1003 00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:02,239 Speaker 1: like a movie. You don't want to hear it every day, said, 1004 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:03,960 Speaker 1: and you got it and you felt it, but you're like, Okay, 1005 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,160 Speaker 1: I'm good. I don't need to go back and watch 1006 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:07,960 Speaker 1: that one. I'm not watching the Notebook. I mean, not 1007 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,520 Speaker 1: that I've ever seen it. Yeah, of course or read 1008 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,400 Speaker 1: the book. I did. But so Highway Don't Care speaking 1009 00:46:14,400 --> 00:46:18,080 Speaker 1: of Tim transitions me there whenever you guys write that. 1010 00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,000 Speaker 1: But then that turns into a whole event, And I 1011 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,920 Speaker 1: don't know if that was the assumption that Highway don't care. 1012 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,480 Speaker 1: It's Tim and Taylor and Keith Urban on it and 1013 00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:33,440 Speaker 1: like that that's song kind of graduating to that level 1014 00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,320 Speaker 1: you write it. Is it just a song for one person? 1015 00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,280 Speaker 1: Was it for Tim and how did it slowly grow? 1016 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:40,759 Speaker 1: We wrote it as a duet actually, and we were 1017 00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,200 Speaker 1: thinking Tim and Faith. Um. Yeah, but we wrote it 1018 00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:45,920 Speaker 1: as a duet. It's funny. We wrote with Josh Kire 1019 00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:47,719 Speaker 1: and on the work tape he did the girls part 1020 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,200 Speaker 1: because he could sing really high. It was funny. But 1021 00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,600 Speaker 1: we did write it as a duet. And when Tim 1022 00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:53,440 Speaker 1: said he was gonna get Taylor's to do it, we 1023 00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,840 Speaker 1: had written with Taylor when she was younger, and oh, 1024 00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,719 Speaker 1: that's great. Then it took a while because she has 1025 00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,640 Speaker 1: a lot of you timing issues and she didn't want 1026 00:47:01,640 --> 00:47:03,080 Speaker 1: it to come out too early when getting the way 1027 00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:05,319 Speaker 1: of something she was doing, and we're kind of like, damn, 1028 00:47:05,480 --> 00:47:07,480 Speaker 1: just just do somebody else. Just doing somebody else. Be goes. 1029 00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:08,680 Speaker 1: We wanted to get it out there, and then when 1030 00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,800 Speaker 1: finally with Taylor sang out, we're like, oh God, thank you. 1031 00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:13,080 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's never uncol to hear one of 1032 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,880 Speaker 1: your songs recorded by anybody. But I remember when we 1033 00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,120 Speaker 1: always tell the story live, when we do our little thing, 1034 00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:21,080 Speaker 1: it's like Tim said him cut another one of your songs. 1035 00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:22,719 Speaker 1: Were like great. I went home and told my wife 1036 00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:24,600 Speaker 1: and she's like, oh, congratulations. You know. And then I 1037 00:47:24,600 --> 00:47:27,200 Speaker 1: told her Keith Urban's on it. Wow, he's hot. And 1038 00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:28,440 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't think it's going to be 1039 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:30,800 Speaker 1: a single to radio. Well cool, then we'll get paid. 1040 00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:33,840 Speaker 1: And then I said, and I think it's a duet 1041 00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:35,799 Speaker 1: with Taylor Swift. And my wife looks up and she goes, 1042 00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:38,319 Speaker 1: we are painting the house like it is one of 1043 00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:42,280 Speaker 1: those that's that's a massive song with three huge legendary 1044 00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:44,800 Speaker 1: people on it was those don't come around for a 1045 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,160 Speaker 1: moment there were It was pretty cool looking at you guys, 1046 00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,760 Speaker 1: this just collection of songs and going through the catalog. 1047 00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,839 Speaker 1: Uh we mentioned Red sol look up earlier and when 1048 00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,600 Speaker 1: it comes to Toby weird that wasn't a number one. 1049 00:47:56,640 --> 00:47:58,560 Speaker 1: And it also shows you that not all number one's 1050 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,600 Speaker 1: last and not all songs and need to be number 1051 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:05,160 Speaker 1: one to also last forever and be defining songs. Because 1052 00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:06,520 Speaker 1: when I think of Toby Key, I think of a 1053 00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:09,160 Speaker 1: couple of different American songs and Red Solo cup like 1054 00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:12,400 Speaker 1: that's a because his personality, right, his personality lends to 1055 00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:16,960 Speaker 1: he's funny and that's his funniest song. Did you that 1056 00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:19,640 Speaker 1: he didn't write to the b M. I I avoid everything. 1057 00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,080 Speaker 1: We don't go to the c M as. Everybody said 1058 00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:24,880 Speaker 1: you go c as. We like, if we're ever nominated 1059 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:27,480 Speaker 1: for something, we might go. My friend Jake was there 1060 00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:29,440 Speaker 1: and he said that Toby Toby thing was really special. 1061 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:31,960 Speaker 1: It was really special. But Toby's an amazing songwriter and 1062 00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,520 Speaker 1: I think has written every one of his own songs 1063 00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:36,640 Speaker 1: except two or three, and that has to be one 1064 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,520 Speaker 1: of them. So they're honoring him at b AM, I 1065 00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:41,880 Speaker 1: Frey songwriter and there's red solo cups on every table 1066 00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:43,839 Speaker 1: and they had the whole thing were red sol cup 1067 00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:45,920 Speaker 1: blows up in the video and I'm like, this is funny, 1068 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,120 Speaker 1: me and be and Jim Beavers and Brett here. I 1069 00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,480 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, just joking around like this whole nights 1070 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,719 Speaker 1: about that stupid song. It is something. I don't know 1071 00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,560 Speaker 1: why it's that big. It's funny. But the number ones 1072 00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:57,800 Speaker 1: you mentioned, because anyway that we still play wasn't a 1073 00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:59,120 Speaker 1: number one, and if you're reading this was not a 1074 00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:00,880 Speaker 1: number one. L Red's old cups and three of our 1075 00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,520 Speaker 1: and we have we have some number one songs that 1076 00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,840 Speaker 1: we never played live or I think people have forgotten. 1077 00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:07,720 Speaker 1: They just kind of go by. That song was also 1078 00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:12,080 Speaker 1: a cultural song, meaning we had we knew, we knew 1079 00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,080 Speaker 1: the cups, but no one had really identified that that 1080 00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:18,359 Speaker 1: was a part of what people And I'll just say 1081 00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,800 Speaker 1: because we're I'm from what people in the South used 1082 00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:23,160 Speaker 1: when going on when they just hung out and did 1083 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,480 Speaker 1: stuff with other people. That was it. When song's going on, 1084 00:49:25,480 --> 00:49:31,279 Speaker 1: there's red cup and on that the track you hear, 1085 00:49:32,960 --> 00:49:35,600 Speaker 1: I hear Jim even make a noise and are you 1086 00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,560 Speaker 1: guys it's the four of us around one mic Jim's 1087 00:49:39,560 --> 00:49:42,759 Speaker 1: brother Brett. Yes, the four of us. So Jim and 1088 00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:46,000 Speaker 1: Brett Beavers bred Brett Warren where we did a demo 1089 00:49:46,080 --> 00:49:48,960 Speaker 1: session and uh, we didn't record that song. And so 1090 00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,560 Speaker 1: the engineer, Luke Lutin, we know him big for this. Uh, 1091 00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,000 Speaker 1: he said, hey, do the cup song. We're like, now, 1092 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:54,719 Speaker 1: we're not doing We had already broken the drums at 1093 00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,000 Speaker 1: everything down. He said, do the cup song and we said, 1094 00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:58,400 Speaker 1: we're not doing that. It was just a joke. It 1095 00:49:58,480 --> 00:50:00,120 Speaker 1: was just funny. It'll be for us and he's, no, 1096 00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:01,200 Speaker 1: I want you to do it because I want to 1097 00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,160 Speaker 1: play it for my wife. And we said, well, we've 1098 00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:05,480 Speaker 1: already broken on the drums down and the amps are 1099 00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:07,320 Speaker 1: packed away and he said, here, here's a mic in 1100 00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:09,000 Speaker 1: the little room. You four sit around and just do it. 1101 00:50:09,080 --> 00:50:13,080 Speaker 1: So Jim Beavers saying it all the funny stuff, and 1102 00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:16,520 Speaker 1: we recorded it and anyway, so we wound up getting 1103 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:18,520 Speaker 1: Toby Keith, our friend Butter played it for Toby Heath 1104 00:50:18,560 --> 00:50:20,040 Speaker 1: and he said, I just want the music to that 1105 00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:22,480 Speaker 1: without the vocals on it, because that's exactly what the 1106 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:23,880 Speaker 1: record is gonna be. And we're like, we don't, we 1107 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:26,000 Speaker 1: don't have a version, didn't record it, and tracks, we 1108 00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,600 Speaker 1: didn't do it. So he said, all right, we'll put 1109 00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,759 Speaker 1: that in your ears and then go back and do 1110 00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,200 Speaker 1: all the crazy ship that you didn't that you did same, 1111 00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,080 Speaker 1: just don't sing it and just leave the you know, 1112 00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,080 Speaker 1: just leave out the lead vocal. And so literally our 1113 00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,640 Speaker 1: chairs are squeaking. Jim Beevers is making funny noises. Bread 1114 00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,600 Speaker 1: schooling here. It's some part of it. I was trying 1115 00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,160 Speaker 1: to imitate Axl Rose and you're here, and I was doing, 1116 00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,239 Speaker 1: like hear me, clearing my throat as the as it 1117 00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,759 Speaker 1: counts off. Brett Beavers is playing a band show and 1118 00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,319 Speaker 1: he that's the record. It's amazing. That's sloppy. One take 1119 00:50:55,520 --> 00:50:57,279 Speaker 1: or on the mic is the record. Don't make a 1120 00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:59,880 Speaker 1: lot of money off that one. No, there's only a No. 1121 00:51:00,080 --> 00:51:01,840 Speaker 1: Or eight and you don't really get anything extra for 1122 00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:04,520 Speaker 1: it being a cultural act. I wasn't used in places 1123 00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:08,040 Speaker 1: and did they. We've had quite a few songs that 1124 00:51:08,040 --> 00:51:09,839 Speaker 1: have made more money than that. Now, when we get 1125 00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:13,960 Speaker 1: hired and and people call us to do a corporate show, 1126 00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:17,840 Speaker 1: they call the company's songwriter city that hires us. Usually 1127 00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:20,920 Speaker 1: that company wants to hear that song. Ye, that's the 1128 00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:22,719 Speaker 1: one that sticks out, And I mean we'll play big 1129 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,839 Speaker 1: hits and Grammy nominated songs and song of the Year 1130 00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,520 Speaker 1: nomination from the c M as people, Oh it's great, 1131 00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:28,960 Speaker 1: thank you very much. And then when you play that, 1132 00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:32,239 Speaker 1: everybody's up, every phone's out. It's crazy. So that's how 1133 00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,040 Speaker 1: it's translating into it's actually we've been more funny playing 1134 00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,239 Speaker 1: that song called performance. But that's just also a gift 1135 00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:43,040 Speaker 1: to what's good, grief good okay. So I UM it's 1136 00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,839 Speaker 1: a podcast. I started um SO two and a half 1137 00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:51,799 Speaker 1: years ago. My oldest son UH died from a fentanyl overdose. UM. 1138 00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:56,200 Speaker 1: He struggled with with drugs and alcohol. UM He had 1139 00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:58,160 Speaker 1: been sober for about a year and then COVID happened 1140 00:51:58,200 --> 00:51:59,440 Speaker 1: and he just you know, it just kind of fell 1141 00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:01,520 Speaker 1: off and he had a couple of weeks where he 1142 00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:03,200 Speaker 1: was out and he took some drugs of fetting on 1143 00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:08,680 Speaker 1: them and um, and he died. So there's a new journey, UM, 1144 00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:11,640 Speaker 1: and I have. I started meeting with other men that 1145 00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,319 Speaker 1: had had I had a couple of friends that had 1146 00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:17,760 Speaker 1: lost children. And I realized that because I'm in recovery, 1147 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,279 Speaker 1: I had people to talk to, Like I had a 1148 00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:21,680 Speaker 1: circle of friends where you you know, men don't just 1149 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,440 Speaker 1: sit around and get raw and honest with each other 1150 00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,239 Speaker 1: that often that's just something that women do. And we 1151 00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,080 Speaker 1: were raising a culture and and you know, you just 1152 00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:30,000 Speaker 1: don't talk about your feelings. And UM, I realized that 1153 00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,360 Speaker 1: these men that I knew didn't have, that weren't in recovery, 1154 00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,319 Speaker 1: didn't have anyone. Some of these guys four years, five 1155 00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,560 Speaker 1: years their child had been gone and they had never 1156 00:52:37,560 --> 00:52:39,440 Speaker 1: talked about it. And like, well, that's ridiculous. We should 1157 00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,640 Speaker 1: change that. So I started a meeting at my house, um, 1158 00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:46,320 Speaker 1: with dad's that lost kids. And so there's you know, UM, 1159 00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:48,680 Speaker 1: some people that you would probably like Casey Bethard and 1160 00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:51,319 Speaker 1: and Jeffrey Steel and some people that. UM. But there's 1161 00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:53,640 Speaker 1: just a group of guys and we just start a 1162 00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,840 Speaker 1: dialogue and just talk about the loss and really honest 1163 00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,800 Speaker 1: about things. And it's amazing. It's never in my life 1164 00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,520 Speaker 1: except for that hour once a month or that two 1165 00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:06,439 Speaker 1: hours am I in a room full of people where 1166 00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:10,000 Speaker 1: everyone knows exactly how I feel. UM. And that conversation 1167 00:53:10,080 --> 00:53:14,080 Speaker 1: kind of spurred something in me. Um. I wasn't really 1168 00:53:14,080 --> 00:53:15,680 Speaker 1: actually thinking if I ran into a guy. We were 1169 00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:19,800 Speaker 1: in Austin playing a corporate a charity event and Uh, 1170 00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:24,080 Speaker 1: this guy, Matt Piveto that produces Jack Ingram's podcast, UM 1171 00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:25,719 Speaker 1: saw me and catering. He said, hey, I want to 1172 00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:27,799 Speaker 1: talk to you. Um. I've been waiting to meet you 1173 00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,480 Speaker 1: for like a year. But he said, I saw something 1174 00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:33,400 Speaker 1: that you wrote on Facebook about your son, and I 1175 00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:34,799 Speaker 1: think you should do it. And he said, I I 1176 00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:36,960 Speaker 1: produced podcasts only. I think you should do a podcast 1177 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:39,560 Speaker 1: on grief. I'm glad it's that's a nice idea. I'm 1178 00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:41,799 Speaker 1: definitely not doing. That doesn't sound like any fun at all. 1179 00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:46,239 Speaker 1: And we exchanged numbers and we talked about it a 1180 00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:47,840 Speaker 1: few times, and it's kind of good. That sounds like, 1181 00:53:47,840 --> 00:53:49,160 Speaker 1: it's a lot of work and it sounds like a 1182 00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:51,279 Speaker 1: really emotional thing. I'm just definitely not doing that. In 1183 00:53:51,320 --> 00:53:53,719 Speaker 1: one morning, my wife said, you're doing this, and um, 1184 00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:55,600 Speaker 1: and I knew I was supposed to. And so we 1185 00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:58,000 Speaker 1: have started doing it and it's actually been a really 1186 00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:02,960 Speaker 1: powerful thing. Um. It's something that's missing because I think 1187 00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:07,600 Speaker 1: people that are really ingrained in church and whatever that 1188 00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:10,839 Speaker 1: may look like maybe have somewhere to go with this. 1189 00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,640 Speaker 1: But this show is kind of for people that maybe 1190 00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:16,239 Speaker 1: are a little bit outside the traditional religious thing. They 1191 00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,040 Speaker 1: still believe in God, they believe their child is in 1192 00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,120 Speaker 1: heaven or whatever it is. But we talked about it 1193 00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:24,360 Speaker 1: raw honestly. There's there's profanity and Jesus and whatever, and 1194 00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:28,600 Speaker 1: it's just a really honest, um conversation with somebody who's 1195 00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:34,160 Speaker 1: experienced grief and uh, you know, because you have experienced it. Um, 1196 00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:35,960 Speaker 1: And I feel like everyone if they live long I mean, 1197 00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,120 Speaker 1: if you live long enough, you're gonna experience loss and grief, 1198 00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,120 Speaker 1: and UM, we just kind of started a conversation. First 1199 00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:43,120 Speaker 1: episodes came out two weeks ago, and it's just the 1200 00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:45,520 Speaker 1: response has been more than we thought it would. My 1201 00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:47,440 Speaker 1: friend Lisa over here is one of the producers on it, 1202 00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:50,680 Speaker 1: and it's just been it's really emotional and but it's 1203 00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:55,520 Speaker 1: been really powerful. Just it's just a conversation about loss 1204 00:54:55,560 --> 00:54:58,040 Speaker 1: and grief and there's humor and thus far there's a 1205 00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,440 Speaker 1: lot of music people in it. But um, it's not 1206 00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,759 Speaker 1: like we sit around and cry the whole time. It's 1207 00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,520 Speaker 1: funny and we it's humor, but it's actually things that 1208 00:55:05,560 --> 00:55:07,879 Speaker 1: you don't I don't know, I've never heard people talking about, 1209 00:55:07,960 --> 00:55:09,719 Speaker 1: at least in the way that we're talking about it. 1210 00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:14,000 Speaker 1: And um, we'll see it's this tomorrow a new episode 1211 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:16,000 Speaker 1: will come out, but it's really early. But the response 1212 00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,080 Speaker 1: has been a lot more than I have no social 1213 00:55:18,080 --> 00:55:21,279 Speaker 1: media presence done anything, and somehow people are finding it 1214 00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,160 Speaker 1: and listening and calling and wanting to be on it. 1215 00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,759 Speaker 1: And that's really cool. Blessing, Good Grief, Good God show 1216 00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:29,520 Speaker 1: dot com or you just search for it. We'll put 1217 00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,600 Speaker 1: it up in the notes too, Mike, so you guys 1218 00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:39,359 Speaker 1: can see it over there. So we've already done an hour. 1219 00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,239 Speaker 1: I mean I could do another hour easily, So I 1220 00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,279 Speaker 1: have a couple more things to say, but before I 1221 00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:46,600 Speaker 1: have to go, my trainer is here. Okay, we can't 1222 00:55:46,600 --> 00:55:52,080 Speaker 1: get it. You know, we're addicted to working out. Well, 1223 00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:54,120 Speaker 1: we do an hour and now and usually honestly about 1224 00:55:54,120 --> 00:55:55,799 Speaker 1: pick two minutes in for everybody. I'm like, all right, 1225 00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:58,200 Speaker 1: let's move. But I could do another hour easily because 1226 00:55:58,200 --> 00:55:59,560 Speaker 1: I feel like we could have any rests. So how 1227 00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:01,399 Speaker 1: about this in six months, let's just do it again. 1228 00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:04,640 Speaker 1: Little you're back. I don't ever do that with you. 1229 00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,160 Speaker 1: I don't just like people that much. But six months, 1230 00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,080 Speaker 1: let's do it again. If you're back in town, great, 1231 00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,160 Speaker 1: But something that I still live here. By the way, 1232 00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:13,960 Speaker 1: I just killed that said. If you're back in town, 1233 00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,279 Speaker 1: you've got not big time now, Mr Florida over on 1234 00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:22,320 Speaker 1: the beach guy. So when I'm first moved to town, 1235 00:56:23,480 --> 00:56:26,080 Speaker 1: and I was living in Austin, Texas, and I had 1236 00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,920 Speaker 1: kind of built my own little syndication deal in Texas, 1237 00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:31,200 Speaker 1: and I was on you know one and two the 1238 00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:35,040 Speaker 1: twenty five pop stations, and I was bringing in you know, 1239 00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,640 Speaker 1: pop artists, but also would have Dirks and Willie Nelson 1240 00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,239 Speaker 1: and Eli Young band, and I was getting a lot 1241 00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,359 Speaker 1: of heat for being too country to be pop, which 1242 00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:44,160 Speaker 1: is ironic because now I get heat for being too 1243 00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:51,319 Speaker 1: pop to be country. Everybody. So my contract is up 1244 00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,680 Speaker 1: and they say, what do you want to do? And 1245 00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:55,600 Speaker 1: they said, we're gonna move me to New York or 1246 00:56:55,680 --> 00:56:58,359 Speaker 1: l A for Ryan or for Elvis Duran and they 1247 00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,320 Speaker 1: both resigned deals. And I was like, I don't know. 1248 00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:03,600 Speaker 1: I said, well, there's never been a nationally syndicated country 1249 00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:05,600 Speaker 1: morning show, and they said, okay, so we do this 1250 00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,279 Speaker 1: whole thing. And so I come here and meet with 1251 00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:13,040 Speaker 1: the company and I'm still a little like, I don't know, 1252 00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,840 Speaker 1: but they're really trying to convince me. I knew I 1253 00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:17,800 Speaker 1: wanted to do it, but I had to leave everything 1254 00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:19,040 Speaker 1: that I built and sent my own money on, like 1255 00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:20,440 Speaker 1: I built it all. And I was like, but if 1256 00:57:20,680 --> 00:57:22,360 Speaker 1: the minute I leave this, it's gone forever. I can't 1257 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,000 Speaker 1: in a year ago back and go I'd like to 1258 00:57:24,040 --> 00:57:26,560 Speaker 1: have that. Yeah, I'd like to have all that, right, right. 1259 00:57:27,160 --> 00:57:30,040 Speaker 1: And so we come and I go, okay, boom. Well 1260 00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,360 Speaker 1: I find out they're like, hey, look there are these 1261 00:57:34,400 --> 00:57:37,200 Speaker 1: two guys. And the head executive of our company was 1262 00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:39,919 Speaker 1: like we the one person was like, we don't want 1263 00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:41,720 Speaker 1: you here. We want the warm Brothers to do the show. 1264 00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:44,440 Speaker 1: I didn't know if that information ever got to you, 1265 00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:45,920 Speaker 1: but we were going to bring that up. Oh yeah, 1266 00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,120 Speaker 1: I know, I know it. Immediately they asked us to 1267 00:57:48,160 --> 00:57:50,920 Speaker 1: do it, and we did a couple of Thursday nights 1268 00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,360 Speaker 1: on races. I'm sure there are two versions of the 1269 00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,600 Speaker 1: story too. And and he told me straight up because 1270 00:57:56,600 --> 00:57:58,600 Speaker 1: I don't it was the head in the format, but 1271 00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:01,080 Speaker 1: he wasn't the big national boss, and he was like, 1272 00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:02,800 Speaker 1: I don't think this is right for you. I've already 1273 00:58:02,800 --> 00:58:05,000 Speaker 1: got the Warm Brothers picked out to do this show 1274 00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:06,720 Speaker 1: in Nashville. And I'm like, who the Warm Brothers. Oh, 1275 00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:10,840 Speaker 1: those those Christian death metal guys and big Christen death 1276 00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:16,120 Speaker 1: metal life metal. So I was like, listen, I don't 1277 00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:17,520 Speaker 1: know what you only want me to say, and he goes, well, 1278 00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:19,840 Speaker 1: I just know it's gonna be tough here. And you're 1279 00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,800 Speaker 1: also not my first pick to do this. I don't 1280 00:58:22,840 --> 00:58:24,160 Speaker 1: think I was just pick at all to do it. 1281 00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,919 Speaker 1: It's just fine. And so I was a little weirded 1282 00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:29,920 Speaker 1: out by that. But then again the did not like 1283 00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:32,760 Speaker 1: I didn't know who you were. And let me just 1284 00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,280 Speaker 1: say for the record, we would never have been even 1285 00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:38,120 Speaker 1: a smidget as successful as you have. You don't know 1286 00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,880 Speaker 1: you might have been in Nashville nationally, it would have 1287 00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:43,880 Speaker 1: been all inside humor, good self awareness, being a radio 1288 00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:46,560 Speaker 1: for four hours until King takes a lot of work 1289 00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:50,400 Speaker 1: and we were like, anyway, yeah, we can't do it. 1290 00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:56,840 Speaker 1: It's five hours piscounting anyway exactly exactly. I remember just going, well, 1291 00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:00,480 Speaker 1: that's weird. I guess they're good. I don't. I didn't 1292 00:59:00,480 --> 00:59:01,960 Speaker 1: know you were even a songwriter. I thought you were 1293 00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,680 Speaker 1: just too like comedy Brothers at first. I've never done radio, 1294 00:59:05,720 --> 00:59:08,680 Speaker 1: by the way, and so I came here and I 1295 00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:10,120 Speaker 1: was like, yeah, I'll do it, let's do it, and 1296 00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:11,920 Speaker 1: a couple of times during it because it didn't go 1297 00:59:11,960 --> 00:59:13,960 Speaker 1: well for me for a long for two years here, 1298 00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,720 Speaker 1: it was very difficult. It felt like it was immediately 1299 00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,720 Speaker 1: a huge hit. But and you, I felt like, you 1300 00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:22,040 Speaker 1: guys just wrote a bunch of songs. Don't nowhere right? 1301 00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:26,120 Speaker 1: And so what I remember is being told through the 1302 00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,520 Speaker 1: grape vine like, hey, he's really looking to get the 1303 00:59:28,520 --> 00:59:30,280 Speaker 1: warm Brothers in here if you go backward at all, 1304 00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:31,840 Speaker 1: And all I was doing was going backwards the whole time, 1305 00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:34,360 Speaker 1: because it was he was rattling a saber that didn't exist. 1306 00:59:35,600 --> 00:59:37,640 Speaker 1: And I just always had this feel like these two 1307 00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,640 Speaker 1: dudes are like plotting against me the whole time. I 1308 00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,720 Speaker 1: always felt it the whole time. Well, then the show 1309 00:59:43,840 --> 00:59:45,520 Speaker 1: took off a little bit, and then I really and 1310 00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:49,560 Speaker 1: that dude was relieved, and I brought in my guy 1311 00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:51,920 Speaker 1: who now runs the format, but I'm also his guy. 1312 00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:54,480 Speaker 1: And then I then got later into it and understood 1313 00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:59,160 Speaker 1: that he found quit finger quotes found you for whatever 1314 00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:00,680 Speaker 1: job that was. If he did or not, I don't know. 1315 01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:02,280 Speaker 1: So that's why I was so important to him, and 1316 01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:05,080 Speaker 1: he didn't quote find me like you were his guys anyway. 1317 01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:09,640 Speaker 1: I hate I hated you, all right, that's I mean, 1318 01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,520 Speaker 1: I really loved that because I never even know if 1319 01:00:11,520 --> 01:00:13,560 Speaker 1: that information got to you. And we didn't really we 1320 01:00:13,600 --> 01:00:16,360 Speaker 1: did a few weekend nights or week nights. We never 1321 01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,400 Speaker 1: really took it that seriously because I said, Brett, we're 1322 01:00:18,440 --> 01:00:21,280 Speaker 1: funny for about five minutes. There's four hours. So we 1323 01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,200 Speaker 1: would do an hour on Thursday night and I would 1324 01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:25,240 Speaker 1: be I mean like we would prep a bunch of stuff, 1325 01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:27,840 Speaker 1: like maybe thirty minutes worth of stuff and it would 1326 01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,480 Speaker 1: be gone in seven minutes. Oh so no, we we knew, 1327 01:00:30,600 --> 01:00:32,200 Speaker 1: and we did a few nights were like, no, we can't. 1328 01:00:32,320 --> 01:00:33,800 Speaker 1: We are not equipped to do this. I'm not sure 1329 01:00:33,840 --> 01:00:35,800 Speaker 1: we'd get up this early. And the way we already 1330 01:00:35,840 --> 01:00:37,280 Speaker 1: kind of had a job that was working like he 1331 01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:38,880 Speaker 1: was going well, he was like, oh, you could do it. 1332 01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:41,400 Speaker 1: At the same time, we're like nah. I remember he asked, 1333 01:00:41,560 --> 01:00:43,400 Speaker 1: he goes, how much money do you want? We had 1334 01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:44,840 Speaker 1: never done it. We asked for like a half million 1335 01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,480 Speaker 1: dollars a piece and like eight weeks paid vacation. I mean, 1336 01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:52,040 Speaker 1: we were not on the list you have done with this. 1337 01:00:52,120 --> 01:00:54,400 Speaker 1: We would never I mean, I'm not being humble. I'm 1338 01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,680 Speaker 1: telling you we would have never done even a fraction 1339 01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,320 Speaker 1: of it because our humor is kind of Nashville base, 1340 01:00:59,400 --> 01:01:01,600 Speaker 1: so it would have been funny here, like Jerry House 1341 01:01:02,080 --> 01:01:05,120 Speaker 1: was our hero, and we had never done radio. We 1342 01:01:05,200 --> 01:01:07,360 Speaker 1: had realized that the bits that you do have to 1343 01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,040 Speaker 1: lengthen out and the funny little clips only last for 1344 01:01:10,080 --> 01:01:13,360 Speaker 1: a second. Oh no, they whoever didn't hire us, made 1345 01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:18,160 Speaker 1: the best move ever for everyone. I mean, ever score 1346 01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:20,920 Speaker 1: information got to you. I think that's terble. Yeah, I 1347 01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:22,360 Speaker 1: know immediately. That's why I held some of our songs 1348 01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:28,680 Speaker 1: hostage and they weren't number one for that. But that 1349 01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:30,160 Speaker 1: being said, I haven't I mean, I haven't really thought 1350 01:01:30,160 --> 01:01:32,600 Speaker 1: about that in years, and I've just been a big 1351 01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:33,959 Speaker 1: fans of you. Get a big fan of you guys, 1352 01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,280 Speaker 1: mostly because people I'm a fan of and no and 1353 01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,680 Speaker 1: like personally have an affinity for have an affinity for 1354 01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:40,800 Speaker 1: you guys because we hadn't spent time together. But that's 1355 01:01:40,800 --> 01:01:42,400 Speaker 1: how you know if a show, it's like somebody with 1356 01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,080 Speaker 1: sensibilities like yours loves a certain show and it's like 1357 01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:47,800 Speaker 1: this is it just it's good nine. So some of 1358 01:01:47,840 --> 01:01:51,360 Speaker 1: my dearest friends Lee miller Um just several of our 1359 01:01:51,400 --> 01:01:53,240 Speaker 1: first like you don't know, Bobby Bones, you guys may 1360 01:01:53,280 --> 01:01:55,600 Speaker 1: be the best of You don't know. You've never said 1361 01:01:55,600 --> 01:01:57,880 Speaker 1: I don't think we've ever said high in passing with Tim, 1362 01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:59,880 Speaker 1: but we've never really talked. I had no ideas, but 1363 01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,280 Speaker 1: because we definitely almost didn't get this show, the fact 1364 01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:04,960 Speaker 1: that they were dangling us over your head is the 1365 01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:08,960 Speaker 1: funniest thing. That was a rotten over a couple of years, 1366 01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:10,520 Speaker 1: like it was on and on. But I do I 1367 01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:12,720 Speaker 1: just youna have to bleep out Michael Brian's name when 1368 01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:16,600 Speaker 1: I say it. Michael Brian and I are stale friends 1369 01:02:16,680 --> 01:02:18,960 Speaker 1: so great. We love him because he actually had faith 1370 01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:20,360 Speaker 1: that we I'm like, I really think we can do 1371 01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:24,200 Speaker 1: this weekend. But Brian was at the Dangler though, he 1372 01:02:24,320 --> 01:02:28,040 Speaker 1: was really okay, wow, I can tell you out because 1373 01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:31,200 Speaker 1: we never talked to anyone else. But I love that 1374 01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:33,440 Speaker 1: he had the confidence. I'm like, I think you're crazy 1375 01:02:33,480 --> 01:02:34,600 Speaker 1: that you think we can do this. I think we 1376 01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:36,480 Speaker 1: could be funny on someone else's show, but I'm not 1377 01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:38,760 Speaker 1: sure this isn't we could be funny for two minutes 1378 01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:42,160 Speaker 1: between songs on stage. Five hours and doing a show. 1379 01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:44,280 Speaker 1: It takes. And when I listened to your travel, when 1380 01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:46,760 Speaker 1: you say, oh, I'm going every weekend, I'm going here 1381 01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,240 Speaker 1: and doing that, I'm like, Okay, you got up at 1382 01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:49,800 Speaker 1: three o'clock and more than five days straight and you're 1383 01:02:49,840 --> 01:02:51,160 Speaker 1: gonna fly out of town as soon as you get 1384 01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:52,840 Speaker 1: off work and come back the next day. I think 1385 01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,439 Speaker 1: I'm too old for that. I'm serious, I am. Yeah, 1386 01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,520 Speaker 1: happen for a long time. Yeah, I've always Yes, that sucks, 1387 01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:01,000 Speaker 1: but it's lovely and I wouldn't get to meet guys 1388 01:03:01,000 --> 01:03:02,760 Speaker 1: like you if it weren't for it to bed at night. 1389 01:03:04,200 --> 01:03:05,960 Speaker 1: There's not an answer. I mean, if I'm on the 1390 01:03:06,040 --> 01:03:07,920 Speaker 1: road or shoot a TV show, or we're living in 1391 01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:09,360 Speaker 1: a foreign country, which we had to do for a 1392 01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:10,880 Speaker 1: month and a half. I do in the radio. It's 1393 01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:14,840 Speaker 1: it's tough. But my final point is I've you know, 1394 01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,200 Speaker 1: a lot of people that I'm close to and value 1395 01:03:17,320 --> 01:03:20,520 Speaker 1: friendships with and have again just a massive affinity for 1396 01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:22,080 Speaker 1: and they have the same thing towards you. So I've 1397 01:03:22,120 --> 01:03:25,320 Speaker 1: always like I felt extremely pure about you guys, and 1398 01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,720 Speaker 1: have big fans of who you are without meeting you, 1399 01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:30,040 Speaker 1: and obviously a big fan of your work. So well, 1400 01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:33,000 Speaker 1: thank you for having us this same and thanks for 1401 01:03:33,040 --> 01:03:35,520 Speaker 1: having us in six months. Six months, I'm in because 1402 01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:38,160 Speaker 1: I got so I got so much more and even more. 1403 01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:40,320 Speaker 1: Even though we were the rotten carrot that got dangled, 1404 01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:45,080 Speaker 1: you still had a song only took you ten years, 1405 01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:49,160 Speaker 1: so big that he could smash it. Now I'll wait, 1406 01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,480 Speaker 1: it will crash. Probably should have talked the first week. 1407 01:03:53,000 --> 01:03:55,800 Speaker 1: We could have made your life so much cheesy. You guys, 1408 01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:58,600 Speaker 1: check out a good Grief, Good God show and go 1409 01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:02,480 Speaker 1: to at the Warren Brothers and we'll see you guys soon. Everybody, 1410 01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:10,120 Speaker 1: Thanks Bobby, appreciate h m hm