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If you're a longtime fan 8 00:00:25,320 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 2: of this show, this is a great way to directly 9 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 2: support Median House and now enjoy the show. 10 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 1: Previously on Weedian House. 11 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 3: So I have been in that vicious cycle of going 12 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 3: and coming through that revolving door. I was one of 13 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 3: the ones who came and went, came and went, came 14 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 3: and went, because it's never intended for me to get 15 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 3: a grip on things to get together. It's only meant 16 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 3: to lead me back. And so now what we're looking 17 00:01:00,160 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 3: and that are things and opportunities and programs that were 18 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:08,280 Speaker 3: not offered to me that are coming out now to 19 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 3: be able to pull people off of that rotation that 20 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:17,639 Speaker 3: they have built, that assembly line from keeping those machines rolling, 21 00:01:17,760 --> 00:01:21,080 Speaker 3: you know, which is the prison industrial complex. 22 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Weisian House. I'm your host, Theo Henderson. 23 00:01:39,000 --> 00:01:46,039 Speaker 2: This is a continuation of the ELM series Educate, Liberate, 24 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 2: and Motivate with returning guests Amanda Nicholson and a new guest, 25 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 2: Max Flower. There's a lot to get into this week, 26 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 2: but first un house news. Our first story takes place 27 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 2: in the city of Industry, California. A judge has ordered 28 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:11,360 Speaker 2: the removal of RVs on a private lot due to 29 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,359 Speaker 2: complaints of unhoused residents taking refuge in the abandoned vehicles. 30 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:22,360 Speaker 2: Nimbi neighbors complain of fires, trash accumulation, fights, drug usage, 31 00:02:22,760 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 2: and general uneasiness getting to their vehicles due to the 32 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 2: proximity of the unhoused near their cars. Predictably, law enforcement 33 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 2: was on hand to project the spirit of offering subpar 34 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 2: inadequate services and to post trespass notices. Our next story 35 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 2: lands US in San Jose, California, with their Mayor Matt Mayhon, 36 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:52,560 Speaker 2: wanting to continue its targeted campaign on the unhoused by 37 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:59,079 Speaker 2: clearing houseless camps near highways, freeways, and Caltrans sites. Mayor 38 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 2: Mayhan is interesting did in partnering with Caltrans to speed 39 00:03:02,000 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 2: up sweeps under Caltrans jurisdiction Senate Bill five six', nine 40 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,680 Speaker 2: Which Mayor mayhan supports would give cities the abilities to 41 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 2: conduct sweeps On caltrans. Properties it, passed the state would 42 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 2: reimburse cities for. Sweeps Mayor mayhan states by giving cities 43 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 2: flexibility to Enter caltrans, jurisdiction offer, resources and conduct. Abatements 44 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: with state, reimbursement we can significantly reduce blight and public safety. 45 00:03:32,960 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 2: Risks San jose has roughly five, thousand five hundred people 46 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 2: living on the, streets and existing shelter beds of three 47 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 2: thousand are already. Full mayhan also said that thirty two 48 00:03:44,800 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 2: percent Of house's residents refuse shelter and are shelter. Resistance 49 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 2: our last story takes us To, Oakland. California flyers have 50 00:03:55,320 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 2: been posted to evict the unhoused encampment At Lake Merrick. 51 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 2: Park City Work cruise planned to spend the entire month 52 00:04:02,280 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 2: Of april removing the unhoused, there replacing them with, trees, 53 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,680 Speaker 2: fencing and other. Plants the entire park will be closed 54 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,960 Speaker 2: into the. Fall an estimate of four five hundred and 55 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,720 Speaker 2: eighty five people lack permanent housing In. Oakland there are 56 00:04:17,720 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 2: a thousand fewer shelter beds available in the. City in 57 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 2: addition to, this two prominent shelters will be closing their 58 00:04:25,279 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 2: doors at the end Of june twenty twenty. Five it 59 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 2: seems like deja vu WHEN i saw this Title To Understand, 60 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:45,040 Speaker 2: Homelessness listen To Homeless. People WHEN i started my, PODCAST 61 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,679 Speaker 2: i was introduced by The Los Angeles times with a similar, 62 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 2: title and that is where the similarity. Ends this current, 63 00:04:53,720 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 2: editor which was written By Carler, hall talk full of 64 00:04:57,760 --> 00:05:00,920 Speaker 2: words like Homeless, people a work WHICH i. Issue she 65 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 2: begins her. Journey she recounts people in various stages of, 66 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:10,679 Speaker 2: houselessness unexpected outcomes and unanswered, questions which ironically is weedy 67 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 2: And house's aim to uplift voices of the. Unhoused the 68 00:05:15,080 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 2: quick truncated takes given by the writers show where she 69 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 2: misses the moment for. Starters houselessness is not a monolith 70 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:27,359 Speaker 2: and require a constant vigilance against stereotypes enforced By nimbi's 71 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,720 Speaker 2: and at times from some unhoused people. THEMSELVES a good 72 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:35,160 Speaker 2: example is devoting done by people in favor of, deportation 73 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 2: only to have themselves to be. DEPORTED i coin this 74 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 2: type of behavior an investment in their own, depression taking 75 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,640 Speaker 2: it a step, FURTHER i also add that there is 76 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 2: an unspoken belief system of worthy or unworthy unhoused. People 77 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 2: it is constantly reinforced by our city officials into garnering 78 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 2: punitive measures and ordinances against the vulnerable post. Population we 79 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: don't have to look any further to find ourselves in 80 00:06:03,800 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 2: this current. Predicament then with the la, fires people refuse 81 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 2: to donate to the existing unhow once they found out 82 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:13,280 Speaker 2: that services was going to be rendered to. Them our 83 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 2: society has been steeped into the thought process of shaming 84 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 2: and blaming vulnerable people for the calamities that have befallen. 85 00:06:20,520 --> 00:06:23,480 Speaker 2: Them if you can demonize a human, being you can 86 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 2: certainly criminalize. THEM i have always said when the editor 87 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:30,480 Speaker 2: wrote this, PIECE i believe she was operating in a 88 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 2: space to raise awareness about the differences of unhoused. People 89 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 2: but she doesn't go far enough to remove the dirt 90 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:40,239 Speaker 2: from under the welcome, back and so the dirt and dust. 91 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 2: Remains the question, becomes how do you get to understand 92 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 2: the unhoused? Community, Well i'm glad you asked On weedi 93 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 2: And HOWE'S i have taken the painstaking effort to create 94 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 2: an atmosphere to uplift the voices of unhoused. PEOPLE i 95 00:06:56,440 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 2: have even added this Series, Educate, liberate And motivate to 96 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 2: add a more nuanced exploration of these. Topics in, closing 97 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,400 Speaker 2: WHEN i end my conversations with let us meet in 98 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 2: a light of, UNDERSTANDING i mean for us to do 99 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: the work on a sustained. Level i'll leave you with 100 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 2: a quote From James, Baldwin ignorance alive with power is 101 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 2: the most ferocious enemy justice can. 102 00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:25,960 Speaker 1: Have and that's On House. 103 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 2: News when we come, back we will be speaking With 104 00:07:33,320 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 2: amanda And. Max welcome back To Weedian. House I'M Theo. 105 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:46,680 Speaker 2: Henderson if you've been following the most recent episodes of the, 106 00:07:46,760 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 2: show we have been engaging in AN elm, Series, Educate, 107 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 2: liberate And. Motivate these next guests personify the essence of this. 108 00:07:55,400 --> 00:08:00,880 Speaker 2: Acronym let us welcome returning, Guests Amanda nicholson and our new, 109 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 2: Guest Max, Flower, welcome and you're dropping in and having 110 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 2: an exciting. Episode this topic is going to cover a 111 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 2: myriad of, things but the general idea is to have a, learning, 112 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 2: educate liberate and motivate, series And i'm educating the masses 113 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 2: on the realities of what houselessness Face i'm liberating you 114 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 2: to start to educate people in your known sphere of 115 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 2: influence and sphere of, connection And i'm motivating you to 116 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 2: make the necessary adjustments and the necessary forward movements in 117 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 2: being able to be a responsible citizen to effect change 118 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 2: on a global. Scale with that, said we're having the studios, 119 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 2: Today Max flower And Amanda. Nicholson they are two important 120 00:08:53,280 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 2: people in the, movement BUT i don't Think i'm going 121 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 2: to do justice in introducing. Them i'm going to allow 122 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:01,640 Speaker 2: both of them to tell those briefly about. Themselves So 123 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:03,520 Speaker 2: i'm going to, start if you don't, mind with You, 124 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 2: amanda and Then, max and then we'll start the round 125 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,839 Speaker 2: robin kind of. Discussion So, amanda you're. 126 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:08,960 Speaker 3: ON. 127 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,560 Speaker 4: Hi thank you so MUCH theo for inviting us to. 128 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 4: Speak my name Is, Amanda as you, Said Amanda. NICHOLSON 129 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:22,440 Speaker 4: i am a Native New yorker AND i moved TO 130 00:09:23,040 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 4: la during the, pandemic which was a crazy time to move, 131 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 4: anywhere BUT i made it. WORK i have a lot 132 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,680 Speaker 4: of experience in a lot of different. Fields i've tried 133 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,719 Speaker 4: a lot of, hustles but over the past five, years 134 00:09:39,760 --> 00:09:45,239 Speaker 4: through my own experience navigating housing and, stability engaging, services 135 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 4: trying to get what you need so that you can 136 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 4: live life, well fulfilled and. ENJOYABLE i managed to resolve 137 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 4: my own, homelessness AND i was trying to count it's 138 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 4: like a year and a, half maybe like eighteen. Months 139 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 4: and since Then i've supported a couple other folks and 140 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:04,679 Speaker 4: advocating to be permanently. 141 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:06,319 Speaker 5: Housed and from THERE. 142 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 4: I started teaching workshops and really dove headfirst into showing 143 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 4: other people How i've, navigated WHAT i, said WHAT i, 144 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 4: requested how many BUTTONS i pushed just to see what 145 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 4: could best kind of support their. Needs and Now i'm 146 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 4: moving into the space of being a bit of a 147 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:29,079 Speaker 4: speaker at conferences as. 148 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 5: Well so that's pretty. 149 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:34,079 Speaker 2: Exciting how, important if you don't mind me, asking how 150 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:38,559 Speaker 2: important is it to have your self advocacy in navigating 151 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 2: this quagm heart of. 152 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 4: Houselessness at the end of the, day no one knows 153 00:10:42,600 --> 00:10:45,880 Speaker 4: what you need better than, you you, know and, unfortunately 154 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 4: these services and systems are shaped to tell you what you, 155 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 4: need what you, deserve what you qualify, for and quickly 156 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 4: try to filter out what they don't think is a 157 00:10:55,920 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 4: good fit for. You, unfortunately that's often to people's detriment 158 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 4: because they're not looking for supporting independent living in many, 159 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 4: cases regardless of what circumstances led to your houseless, state 160 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 4: and certainly not to see you flourish as the person 161 00:11:12,880 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 4: you want to be outside of A w two. 162 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:20,080 Speaker 5: Employee i'll, say let's turn our attention Into Max Max. 163 00:11:20,360 --> 00:11:22,040 Speaker 1: Europe what can we know about? 164 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 4: You? 165 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:27,320 Speaker 6: Hi my name Is max And i've been working in 166 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 6: healthcare and human services for thirteen. Years i'm currently a 167 00:11:32,920 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 6: case manager in The Los angeles. AREA i work with 168 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 6: folks who have been unhoused and have also gone through. 169 00:11:41,320 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 6: INCARCERATION i work with folks who are also trans, people 170 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 6: people who use, drugs all types of folks that come 171 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 6: from different. BACKGROUNDS i am also AN la native and 172 00:11:55,480 --> 00:12:00,559 Speaker 6: had to learn how to navigate housing instability throughout my early. 173 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 2: Twenties, well you made a perfect, Segue so we're going 174 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:06,240 Speaker 2: to talk ABOUT i don't want to say the elephant 175 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 2: in the, room BUT i do think because it's not 176 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:14,079 Speaker 2: given the attention it, needs many people think on house 177 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 2: people or all of them are on. Substances but can 178 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,920 Speaker 2: we talk about this openly and honesty about the ones 179 00:12:21,920 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 2: that are on substances and how you've met the moment 180 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 2: and what things that you do to help people get 181 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:33,119 Speaker 2: off of the substances or help them try to retain 182 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 2: their dignity as well as getting housing as. 183 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 6: Well, yeah SO i want to say that a lot 184 00:12:39,920 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 6: of the people THAT i started with specifically will stick 185 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:48,079 Speaker 6: to the past year and a half Where i've done case, 186 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 6: Management LIKE i, said with people who are in reentrigu 187 00:12:52,280 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 6: and also are. Unhoused you, know all the folks THAT 188 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 6: i met that were on the, street they want. Housing 189 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 6: there was never an issue of, oh do you want 190 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 6: to go inside or do you not want to go? 191 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 6: Inside they all wanted a home and they built community 192 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:13,080 Speaker 6: with those. Outside you, know this community, specifically we will 193 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 6: say that people do use, drugs and even though they use, 194 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 6: drugs they are some of the most kind hearted People i've. 195 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 5: Met they were always. 196 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 6: Looking out for each, other like do you need? 197 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 5: This do you need? 198 00:13:27,280 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 6: That it's going to, rain you, know let's do a tarp, 199 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:35,040 Speaker 6: Hey you, know LIKE i build a shower. Outside and 200 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 6: it was all about meeting them where they were at 201 00:13:39,080 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 6: and being able to take them. PLACES i think a 202 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 6: lot of the folks THAT i supported in getting, housing 203 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 6: it was about showing. 204 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 5: Up it sounds very. 205 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:50,560 Speaker 6: Easy to go get AN id or go get A 206 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 6: Social security, Card but when you don't have a, car 207 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 6: it makes it very. Complicated or when you have disabilities 208 00:13:57,280 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 6: or like just being able to leave your stuff out, 209 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,680 Speaker 6: there it's very. Difficult somebody has to watch your things 210 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 6: and make sure that you don't get. Robbed all those, 211 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 6: folks you, know WHEN i showed, up they would show. 212 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 5: Up it was. 213 00:14:10,360 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 6: Never really a time where it felt, Like, GOD i 214 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 6: have to like drag you to go do YOUR id 215 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:18,680 Speaker 6: OR i have to drag you to go. 216 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 5: Do this like they. 217 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 6: Were they wanted it so bad and they were out 218 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 6: there for so, long since a lot of them since 219 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 6: they were, teenagers they started very, young that they didn't 220 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,040 Speaker 6: have a. House and SO i do want to say 221 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:38,800 Speaker 6: that this stereotype that people who use drugs don't want 222 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 6: housing is a. Lie it's a very very big. Lie 223 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 6: and actually being outside makes you use more drugs because 224 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,760 Speaker 6: you have to deal with the weather and just different 225 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 6: circumstances that come. 226 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,680 Speaker 2: Up one of the things THAT i also wanted to 227 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 2: point out, too is we have a very zero policy 228 00:14:57,400 --> 00:15:00,640 Speaker 2: of being on. Substances for, example In Sanford's, cisco they 229 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 2: are targeting people that are doing and they say open 230 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 2: drug market kind of. Environments but the issue is this 231 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 2: is that we don't have humane. Solutions we have like 232 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 2: house people believe once you just arrest, people that's the 233 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 2: end of the. Problem and that's the, usual the knee jerk, 234 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 2: response and most, importantly that's what the mayors and the 235 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:26,640 Speaker 2: city leaders and the police always. Advocate but the substances 236 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 2: usually a symptom to a larger. Issue people are using 237 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 2: it to self medicate or be able to cope with 238 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,920 Speaker 2: the insecurities or instabilities that living out on the street. 239 00:15:36,080 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 2: Entails so what do you find that would helped when 240 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 2: we introduce the conversation of harm? Reduction what is harm 241 00:15:43,080 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 2: reduction and why is it so? Important and what can 242 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 2: we do as a society to start to educate ourselves on. 243 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 6: That, YEAH i think harm reduction has been one of 244 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 6: my favorite things to learn. About i'm very grateful that 245 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 6: it came into my life BECAUSE i come from a 246 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 6: back ground where it was religious and you're kind of 247 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 6: just told don't have, sex don't do, drugs you, know 248 00:16:08,680 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 6: and it's not. Realistic those things are just not and 249 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 6: society you can't just tell people to say no and stay. 250 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 6: Abstinate you, KNOW i think the reality is that harm 251 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:26,120 Speaker 6: reduction can be applied to all parts of. Things whether 252 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 6: it's like giving someone a condom for them to have protected, 253 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 6: sex whether it's giving them items that are like clean 254 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 6: needles or clean. Pipes these things help reduce the harm 255 00:16:40,680 --> 00:16:44,480 Speaker 6: from you, know different health care conditions that can be 256 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 6: caused through those. Things BUT i think more, importantly when 257 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 6: you provide these type of equipment to help with harm, 258 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 6: reduction you provide a safe space for people to be 259 00:16:56,040 --> 00:16:58,880 Speaker 6: actually able to talk to you about what's really going 260 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 6: on because they don't feel like they have to hide 261 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 6: who they are or they have to hide that they're doing. 262 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 6: Drugs like WHEN i have provided harm reduction, supplies this 263 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 6: has given me the door open to just having some 264 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,159 Speaker 6: of the most real conversations with. FOLKS i feel like 265 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 6: they were comfortable enough with telling me things about themselves 266 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 6: because they didn't feel LIKE i was here to judge. 267 00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 6: Them and they were also even more open to feedback 268 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 6: because they didn't feel Like i'm here telling them what to. 269 00:17:32,359 --> 00:17:34,360 Speaker 5: DO i think that we. 270 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 6: Can't address this elephant of addiction without addressing, trauma and 271 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:47,879 Speaker 6: without addressing multiple layers like anti, blackness people living in, 272 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:52,880 Speaker 6: poverty not enough. Resources there's all these other layers as 273 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:56,840 Speaker 6: to why people turn to drugs and harm. Reduction you 274 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,640 Speaker 6: meet the person where they're. AT i don't tell them 275 00:17:59,760 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 6: what they, NEED i don't tell them who they have to. 276 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 5: BE i just show. UP i. 277 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 6: CARE i show them THAT i, Care and simply by 278 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:12,640 Speaker 6: showing them THAT i, care they will start seeing how 279 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 6: they deserve to be treated by other. 280 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 4: PEOPLE i want to add to that that you, know 281 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 4: harm reduction applies to so many areas of your. Life 282 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:27,000 Speaker 4: it isn't solely the physical objects that you can provide to, 283 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,440 Speaker 4: somebody because Like max was, saying it can be the 284 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 4: framework can be applied to everything from disordered heating habits 285 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:37,280 Speaker 4: to even the ways in which we operate systems to 286 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:41,680 Speaker 4: not perpetuate harmful. Experiences and so to shout out to 287 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:45,520 Speaker 4: The National Harm Reduction, coalition BECAUSE i took certifications that 288 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 4: are free for all Of california's residents to really understand 289 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 4: more deeply the framework and how it. Applies and a 290 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 4: huge part of really integrating harm reduction into any kind 291 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 4: of work that you, do no matter what the population, 292 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 4: is is honoring. 293 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 5: That everything's on a. 294 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,679 Speaker 4: Spectrum you, know we live in this world of black and, 295 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,880 Speaker 4: white and even in some surveys and forms that they'll 296 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,159 Speaker 4: give you at the, doctor if you report using certain 297 00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 4: substances one time in the past, year they consider that. 298 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 4: Addiction but that's not a reality for. People lots of 299 00:19:17,560 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 4: people are being curious and trying things and navigating the, 300 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 4: world and there's a spectrum of what a substance use 301 00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 4: really is that goes from total abstinence all the way 302 00:19:28,359 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 4: to problematic. Use and if there's no acknowledging those people in, 303 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 4: between then you can't serve those. People and, statistically while 304 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:40,399 Speaker 4: lots of people may use, substances the vast majority actually 305 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 4: aren't in a problematic use. Situation they might be in 306 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 4: an habituation. Situation it might be that thing they do 307 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 4: every day to make sure that they clean their, house 308 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 4: or they put up a face to deal with the 309 00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:55,200 Speaker 4: world to not cry about their, circumstances or whatever the situation. 310 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 4: Is so it's important that harm reduction is looked at 311 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 4: through many, lenses that it kind of looks at your 312 00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,679 Speaker 4: life as well as like the range of people and 313 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,040 Speaker 4: what kind of experiences they're having in their life as 314 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:09,000 Speaker 4: they do things you. 315 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 2: Know on that very, Topic i'm going to have asked 316 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:14,680 Speaker 2: both of you for your perspectives ON i recently had 317 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:18,919 Speaker 2: a medical, emergency medical, scare and it's funny you mentioned 318 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:22,000 Speaker 2: that BECAUSE i had to fill out a form now 319 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:24,679 Speaker 2: and this is WHERE i had a problem with. It 320 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 2: it's like they, asked you, know how often you? 321 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:28,399 Speaker 1: Drink what do you? 322 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 2: Drink and the question was so, loaded like, well even 323 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 2: if you did, drink it seemed like it was already 324 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 2: judgment and. Prepared IF i had SAID i do, drink 325 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 2: then they would, have like you, said maybe it sound 326 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 2: LIKE i was an. Addict i'm, like you, know it's 327 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,719 Speaker 2: not couched or it's not presented in a way that 328 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 2: you won't be used against. 329 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: It AND i could not. 330 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 2: Help but WHEN i was, Saying i'm, like you know 331 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 2: what IF i had substitutes or IF i was an 332 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 2: alcoholic AND i wanted to get the, help this strike 333 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,640 Speaker 2: would be a strike against, me because you, Know i'm, 334 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 2: LIKE i don't suffer from these. Maladies but you, KNOW 335 00:21:01,720 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 2: i had a, drink like you, know the past several, 336 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:06,440 Speaker 2: months but that was a one drink in a celebratory. 337 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: Fashion but they don't mention. 338 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 2: It in that way it mentioned it is like it's 339 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 2: zeroing in or like you're in a. Attic SO i 340 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 2: do see that that's the issues that really needs to 341 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 2: be explored when we're dealing in the helping. Profession BUT 342 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,600 Speaker 2: i also wanted to point out another side of the 343 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,520 Speaker 2: conversation That i've noticed WHEN i was in house and 344 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 2: living from training stop this train stop during the in clinic, 345 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 2: weather AND i NOTICED NCA ceo In New york mentioning 346 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 2: that they don't want the passengers to see the unhoused 347 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:43,080 Speaker 2: community lighting up or smoking up or whatever they're doing 348 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:45,959 Speaker 2: on the trains or it's a rolling as you call, 349 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 2: it a rolling home homeless train where there's a bunch 350 00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 2: of people who are using these. Systems do you think 351 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 2: that because of the judgment of substances that it makes 352 00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,760 Speaker 2: it difficult to create these harm reduction centers or places 353 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 2: where people can be safe to be able to do 354 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,120 Speaker 2: the things they need to get off or weing themselves 355 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 2: off of the substances plays a part and why it 356 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:11,719 Speaker 2: is such a taboo. 357 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: Subject. 358 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 6: Thanks, YEAH i definitely do think that it plays a, 359 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 6: role which is is so funny because like THE us 360 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 6: doesn't want to open any place that is like safe 361 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:28,160 Speaker 6: consumption like you see in other. Countries but we have, 362 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 6: bars you, know where you can go buy alcohol and drink. 363 00:22:33,240 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 6: Together and now In Los angeles we have weed lounges 364 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,639 Speaker 6: where you can go smoke weed. Together AND i feel, 365 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 6: like because of all this judgment and people just, saying, 366 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 6: well we just need to get everybody sober and that's 367 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 6: the end of, that you're not allowing for all of 368 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 6: these other things that need to happen and take. Place 369 00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 6: because if people did have safe spaces to use their, 370 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 6: drugs they would go to those safe, spaces have to 371 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,480 Speaker 6: use them outside because there is no safe space for 372 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 6: them to Use and SO i think when we have 373 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 6: all this, judgment we're putting our own barriers to fixing 374 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 6: the problem because we want this black and white. Solution 375 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 6: Like amanda has said, before it's, like, no just be, 376 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 6: sober and it's, Like, okay being sober in this world 377 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 6: is just not. Possible and there could be some people 378 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,280 Speaker 6: who could be sober and choose that, lifestyle AND i 379 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 6: believe that you can, really you, know work towards that 380 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 6: if that's something that you. Want but to put this 381 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 6: on everybody else and then not even provide them the 382 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,840 Speaker 6: help that they. Need there's not enough mental health, beds 383 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 6: there's not enough, treatment the type of. Treatment we've been 384 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,840 Speaker 6: doing it for years and years and, years and we're 385 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,600 Speaker 6: still doing that same type of. Treatment it's like we 386 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 6: get in our own, way and that sucks because there's 387 00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 6: a lot of great solutions out, there and for those 388 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 6: of you who might not be open to, THAT i 389 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:03,640 Speaker 6: really would suggest like looking at a national Harm reduction 390 00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:07,720 Speaker 6: coalition because they teach you the. Principles and also this 391 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,440 Speaker 6: movie Called love and The time Of fetanel which talks 392 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,280 Speaker 6: about a safe consumption place that is happening In. 393 00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 2: Canada, YES i THINK i interviewed earlier on in my 394 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,199 Speaker 2: show that they were talking about. It they have a 395 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 2: van or something and they have places where they allow 396 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:27,880 Speaker 2: people to able to safely he talks themselves and use 397 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:29,479 Speaker 2: safe sites to do able to do. 398 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: That But, amanda you're. 399 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,800 Speaker 4: Next, FIRST i want to, say you, know kind of 400 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 4: jumping back a little bit to the point you made 401 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 4: of the questionnaire that you got when you were at you, 402 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 4: know receiving health, services occasionally having a drink or any 403 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 4: substance maybe in. 404 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 5: A social setting like that's social use that's. 405 00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,360 Speaker 4: More kind of relying and dependent upon who you're around 406 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 4: and what you're doing or casually. Doing things like those 407 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 4: are the kind of markers within that spectrum THAT i 408 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 4: was talking. About we completely have sanctioned social, drinking and you, 409 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 4: KNOW i reflect on my life AND i had for 410 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 4: so long wished to go to a standard four year 411 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 4: university and live on, campus and that really didn't pan 412 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 4: out for me the WAY i had. Planned And i'm 413 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 4: so grateful because the level of excessive drinking culture that 414 00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 4: is completely normalized within the collegiate. Sphere but then we 415 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 4: talk about addiction like we set people up to have 416 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 4: addiction through normalizing let's get, hammered let's get black out, 417 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 4: drunk and turning into a phrase white girl, wasted and 418 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 4: acting like it's sanctioned simply because alcohol is something that 419 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 4: you can purchase, legally and if it is something like 420 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 4: cannabis wasn't until recently that you can't purchase in a, legal, 421 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 4: standardized taxed. Way now it's something much more devious and. 422 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 4: Demonic max AND i had the opportunity to, teach which 423 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,080 Speaker 4: we didn't really explain what we do, together but we 424 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 4: do our work independently and we all come together specifically 425 00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 4: to do trainings and speak at, conferences and the conference 426 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 4: that we spoke at In San jose back In, november 427 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 4: we specifically talked about integrating harm reduction into interim housing 428 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 4: for that reason because so many people understand that if 429 00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 4: they agree to live in this hotel room, situation, whatever 430 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 4: that now they have to instantly be in a sobriety, 431 00:26:26,040 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 4: program and how that doesn't, serve you, know their own 432 00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:33,439 Speaker 4: progression in determining what's best for their. Lives there's some 433 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,199 Speaker 4: people that till the day they, die they may use. 434 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 4: Substances but does that mean that it has to be 435 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 4: a level of substance use that interferes with their ability 436 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 4: to take care of themselves or cause harm to themselves 437 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:44,440 Speaker 4: or other. 438 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 5: People, no it. 439 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,119 Speaker 4: Doesn't there's all kinds of people doing all kinds of, 440 00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 4: things you, Know so it was really important for us 441 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 4: to recommend safe consumption. Sites and another thing you MENTIONED 442 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 4: theo specifically About New, york which, is you, know my, 443 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 4: hometown AND i know what it's like to be of 444 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 4: the house population and seeing the unhoused people and being, LIKE. 445 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 5: I got to get out this train. Car this isn't 446 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:08,840 Speaker 5: the one for. 447 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 4: Me and while we can pass judgment on those, people you, 448 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 4: know there really aren't a lot of places for you 449 00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 4: to exist when you're on. Housed and that is one 450 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,760 Speaker 4: of the beautiful lessons that being on house during the 451 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 4: pandemic taught. Me it's because if it's bad already turned 452 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 4: up the fear. 453 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:26,320 Speaker 5: Mongering during the. 454 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:28,560 Speaker 4: Pandemic to even just be in the presence of another, 455 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:32,160 Speaker 4: person it really isolated me in such a unique way 456 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,960 Speaker 4: where basic human functions like using the restroom were now 457 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:41,800 Speaker 4: impossible endeavors that required like either you, know destroying public 458 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 4: property in some capacity or arguing with. People AND i 459 00:27:45,160 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 4: wasn't going to argue with people every day THAT i 460 00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 4: have to, Pee, Like i'm just going to go do 461 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 4: my business and live my, life you. Know So New 462 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,159 Speaker 4: york does have a safe consumption site through an, organization 463 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 4: and we reference them in our. Presentation but we make 464 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,359 Speaker 4: the argument that if you stop being so patronizing on. 465 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 4: People first of, all people are going to do what 466 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,639 Speaker 4: they want to. Do you can thank all the rules 467 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 4: that you, want and people will still meet their end 468 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,479 Speaker 4: in the ways that they, can because that's human. Nature 469 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 4: but also if you remove some of the fear, mongering 470 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,159 Speaker 4: you remove some of the ultimate judgment and the. Separation 471 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 4: there were so many people in the hotel THAT i 472 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,399 Speaker 4: lived in that died of, overdoses that simply could have 473 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,560 Speaker 4: lived if somebody would have won kind of had a 474 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 4: hint that this is something that this person, does and 475 00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 4: two would have had narcan and other resources are on 476 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,680 Speaker 4: site another form of harm reduction to support. Them and 477 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 4: so we make it so people don't even want to 478 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 4: receive help because the judgment is so interwoven into the. 479 00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 2: Help we'll continue this conversation after this break and we're. 480 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 2: BACK i remember and during the pandemic there were a 481 00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 2: couple of residents that were in one of the tiny 482 00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:07,560 Speaker 2: sheds over In, chinatown and there was people or groups 483 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:12,160 Speaker 2: going to those tiny sheds bringing narcan and information to 484 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 2: help people that were doing. It but the staff threw 485 00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 2: all of the harm reduction materials away as soon as 486 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 2: they left and maintain that no substance usage of policies in. 487 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 2: There and that also helped create which leads into another point, 488 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 2: too and sometimes THAT i noticed in some of the 489 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 2: mutual aid GROUPS i have been, around some embrace the 490 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 2: harm reduction, models but sometimes in the neighborhoods that they're 491 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 2: in the vitul and the disdain for people that are 492 00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 2: on substances kind of mute or newter the conversation or 493 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 2: newters the help in order for them to have honest. 494 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 2: Conversation so in a way they're hamstrung because we are 495 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 2: not at the precipice where we need to have the. 496 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 2: Conversation i've always believed that how those and unhoused people 497 00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 2: need to be trained IN narcan training because we've known 498 00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 2: for some time that many of the house celebrities could 499 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:13,440 Speaker 2: have benefited from SOME narcan training OR narcan intervention when they, 500 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 2: like for, example the Recent gentlemen From friends that passed 501 00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,880 Speaker 2: away From fitnel in his, home or the other superstars 502 00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 2: that we see like the gentleman from The WIRE i 503 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 2: believe it's name Is MICHAEL. K. 504 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: Williams you. 505 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 2: Know so these conversations are not going to happen outside 506 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 2: out of tandem unless we force the issue or advance 507 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 2: the conversation in situations like. This but it's important to 508 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 2: understand that we all need if we learning first aid 509 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 2: AND cpr for, people we need to understand that substances 510 00:30:43,800 --> 00:30:45,320 Speaker 2: are not going to go. Away people are still going 511 00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 2: to use, them and we may be called upon ourselves 512 00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 2: to be able to aid someone that we know WITH 513 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 2: narcan training or other type of, training they help to 514 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 2: save their. 515 00:30:56,120 --> 00:30:59,520 Speaker 4: Lives you, KNOW i feel that you made a poignant 516 00:30:59,560 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 4: statement THEIR theo just referencing these. Celebrities let me, say 517 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:07,880 Speaker 4: in no uncertain, terms people who have houses use drugs full. 518 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:08,600 Speaker 5: Stop you. 519 00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 4: Know so it's not a matter of people are doing 520 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:16,080 Speaker 4: these things solely because they're, unhoused or them doing these 521 00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:19,280 Speaker 4: things is the sole kind of reasoning for why they 522 00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:19,880 Speaker 4: became one. 523 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 5: House only. 524 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,240 Speaker 4: Differences you don't see them when they're in their house doing. 525 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 4: That you don't know. That you, know all these celebrities 526 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 4: that we've witnessed pass away from overdoses over the past 527 00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 4: just thirty years, alone aren't at the end of the, day, 528 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 4: human just like the person living in their, tent just 529 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,640 Speaker 4: like the person living in an interim housing. Site and 530 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 4: so instead of acting like there's this hierarchy of qualified 531 00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,600 Speaker 4: people only if you have a fancy title and a 532 00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:50,760 Speaker 4: big paycheck and a fancy, house are you now. 533 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:52,600 Speaker 5: Deserve the right to have those. 534 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 4: Experiences that's just not realistic to the, world because let's 535 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 4: say AND i had this conversation recently with A uber. 536 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,640 Speaker 4: Driver say you want to get housed IN la you 537 00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 4: want to move to another? Place it costs with first 538 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 4: and last month's rent and moving fees and all the. 539 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 4: Preparations you're looking at almost an eight to ten thousand dollars. 540 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 4: Investment person may not have eight to ten thousand, dollars 541 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 4: but if they got twenty, dollars. 542 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:18,400 Speaker 5: At least they might have a good. 543 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 4: Day at LEAST i can get to tomorrow and not 544 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 4: want to quite literally end their life simply because they 545 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 4: don't see a future in, sight you. Know and it's 546 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,000 Speaker 4: very bleak once you lose that connection to permanent housing 547 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 4: to imagine that life can go back to. Normal and 548 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,760 Speaker 4: even in my own, case you, KNOW i fought very 549 00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 4: hard to get housed BECAUSE i was very accustomed to 550 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 4: a completely different life than that of being on. House 551 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 4: but it doesn't mean that there wasn't still the pain 552 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 4: of EVERYTHING i went, through all of the, judgment all the, 553 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 4: disrespect and the being kind of put in the run. 554 00:32:57,560 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 5: Around all of those things impact your. 555 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 4: Experience so what are we doing to support people just 556 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 4: in the belief that they can be, housed that it is, 557 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 4: possible and that they're deserving of. It one of the 558 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,959 Speaker 4: fundamental principles of harm reduction is health and, dignity like 559 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:16,120 Speaker 4: you actually have to treat people like they, matter not 560 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,920 Speaker 4: like their some of the years of abusing the, System 561 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,120 Speaker 4: why would anybody want your help if that's how you treat. 562 00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 2: Them you, know it's funny you say, that BECAUSE i 563 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 2: also wanted to expand it more than just the, substances 564 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 2: because ever SINCE i was a younger, PERSON i have 565 00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 2: always battled with the statements about my weight and because 566 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:41,719 Speaker 2: of me and my issues, TROUBLES i stress eat and 567 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,200 Speaker 2: it's because of, trauma AND i don't need to go 568 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 2: into much of, detail but the fact of the matter 569 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:51,959 Speaker 2: is that it was expanded further because WHEN i was stress, 570 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:56,360 Speaker 2: EATING i get depressed and down because now getting a little, 571 00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 2: bigger and Then i'm noticing that And i'm blaming myself 572 00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 2: because it did help having immediate close friends and family 573 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,200 Speaker 2: ridiculing it or making it seeming like that they were 574 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,920 Speaker 2: giving tough love or they were trying to help, me 575 00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 2: which in essence was, harm AND i got gas like 576 00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 2: into thinking. That even, Today i'm very very sensitive about 577 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:19,320 Speaker 2: when people mention about my weight or IF i lose, 578 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 2: weight because then it starts off this whole paranoia is you, 579 00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,640 Speaker 2: KNOW i don't want people to judge me IF i 580 00:34:26,680 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 2: do pick up a few pounds because you don't know 581 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 2: what's going. 582 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: On you don't know what the Struggles i'm going. 583 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:33,680 Speaker 2: Through And i'm not going to Say i'm not going 584 00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 2: to equate that with people on. Substances BUT i do 585 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,440 Speaker 2: understand that there is a common link within our. Society 586 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:43,680 Speaker 2: we're a blaming and shaming. Society we're very devoid of, 587 00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 2: empathy and we don't understand that we navigate this life 588 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 2: the best we can and with the best tools we 589 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,439 Speaker 2: can and the best way we, can and a lot 590 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 2: of times because we've set up this system of purity or, 591 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:03,240 Speaker 2: perfection that we find ways to chisel at people's self, 592 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,080 Speaker 2: esteem or people's ways of, life or people's solutions to 593 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,520 Speaker 2: coping with trauma and stressful situations in the most diligerious 594 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:11,840 Speaker 2: way is. 595 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 1: Possible, Max do you have anything to, Say. 596 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 5: YEAH i definitely agree with. 597 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 6: You, FIRST i just want to say thank you so 598 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 6: much for being vulnerable to even talking about. THAT i 599 00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:27,879 Speaker 6: think men also go through body, shaming AND i think 600 00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,600 Speaker 6: it's awesome that you're like brave to like talk about, 601 00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 6: that because it is hurtful to constantly be critiqued about 602 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,959 Speaker 6: how you. LOOK i think it's really. SAD i think 603 00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,439 Speaker 6: the thing that got me very depressed AS i got 604 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 6: older is, that like growing up as a, KID i 605 00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:51,360 Speaker 6: was always around, SERVICES i was always around, sports things 606 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 6: that like help kind of build you, Right and SO 607 00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 6: i had this mentality that this world was full of 608 00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 6: love and And i'm very thankful THAT i did have that. 609 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,839 Speaker 6: Lens and AS i got, OLDER i just started to 610 00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 6: see how much our society shames people and doesn't humanize. 611 00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 5: People and even in. 612 00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 6: The services THAT i, provide going with folks to know 613 00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:24,359 Speaker 6: The section eight office or THE ebt, office or going 614 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 6: to the grocery store or the, doctor AND i see 615 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:31,520 Speaker 6: how they get discriminated against has been very. Heartbreaking it's 616 00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 6: heartbreaking to see that people are just constantly being judged 617 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:36,400 Speaker 6: all the. 618 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 1: Time and we all have our. 619 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 6: Biases even for, MYSELF i know THAT i have, biases 620 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 6: AND i think we need to be open to seeing 621 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,160 Speaker 6: like what is my? Bias where does that come, from 622 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:53,080 Speaker 6: and really challenging ourselves on really seeing in the mirror 623 00:36:53,120 --> 00:36:57,480 Speaker 6: where your. Biases until we start doing, that, LIKE i 624 00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 6: think things aren't going to. Change and that's WHY i 625 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,479 Speaker 6: think it's so important to like self reflect and see 626 00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 6: where you make your own, mistakes where you might even 627 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 6: have anti blackness. THOUGHTS i think that a lot of 628 00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,320 Speaker 6: people don't realize that they have all of these things 629 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,040 Speaker 6: because they don't they're embarrassed or they don't want to be. 630 00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 6: Canceled BUT i think the reality is is like we 631 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:28,000 Speaker 6: just need to embrace that we're not. Perfect AND i 632 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:30,520 Speaker 6: think that's what's been so. HARD i think sometimes even 633 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,920 Speaker 6: in religion is that like let's go to that lens of, like, 634 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 6: well you, know you have to follow all these rules 635 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 6: And god says, this And god says, that AND i don't. 636 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,840 Speaker 6: Understand why can't we focus On god's? 637 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:45,080 Speaker 4: Love? 638 00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:49,160 Speaker 6: Then why don't we ever really focus on that? Part 639 00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:53,160 Speaker 6: and SO i think in, general in order for us 640 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 6: to keep moving forward and changing culture is just being more. 641 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 6: Caring People just care about people around. You and if 642 00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:08,400 Speaker 6: you don't understand, something then that's. Fine you don't, understand 643 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,360 Speaker 6: go ask someone for, help go try to learn, something 644 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,239 Speaker 6: because that's the only way that you're really going to 645 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 6: be able to Help and support your, family your, friends your, 646 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:23,640 Speaker 6: coworkers your, customers is by trying to learn how to 647 00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 6: be more. 648 00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 2: Empathetic one of the things That i've noticed about council 649 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,600 Speaker 2: culture is one of the things is because of the. 650 00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 2: PUSHBACK i get annoyed WHEN i hear people, say, well 651 00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 2: people could take a joke back in the day and 652 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,759 Speaker 2: people could you, know people wasn't so. Sensitive AND i 653 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,919 Speaker 2: think the way council culture has taken roots so much 654 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,880 Speaker 2: is because of the pushback and the resistance for people 655 00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 2: to leave the shackles of. Ignorance it's much more comfortable 656 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,080 Speaker 2: to stay ignorant because it's. Safe you know the, structure 657 00:38:55,160 --> 00:38:57,360 Speaker 2: you know the, walls and you can stay there and 658 00:38:57,400 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 2: you can be proud of. It and you could you 659 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,319 Speaker 2: know the person that you're, harming you, know you can 660 00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,080 Speaker 2: condition yourself to not care or don't you, know you're 661 00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 2: just telling them like it is or if The bible says, 662 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,359 Speaker 2: it or whatever it is in order for you to. 663 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,400 Speaker 2: Justify but if you have to take the step into the, 664 00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:14,720 Speaker 2: known as you, Know i'm putting on my teacher hat 665 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 2: when you step into like WHEN i you, know teach 666 00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,640 Speaker 2: students something to, do like a new polynomials or something 667 00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:26,279 Speaker 2: a new concept Of english that they have to use 668 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:30,759 Speaker 2: context clues or induction or deduction or deductive. Reasoning it's 669 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 2: scary because you, know the box of information or the 670 00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:38,320 Speaker 2: box or your thought or limited, information and it's. Comfortable 671 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:40,719 Speaker 2: but WHEN i push you to, okay now it's time 672 00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 2: to add a new, tool or it's time for you 673 00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:49,239 Speaker 2: to disabuse something that is not rooted in empathy or educational. 674 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:55,040 Speaker 2: Enlightenment then people become, predictable you, know you, know defensive 675 00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,120 Speaker 2: and judgmental in order for them to cover up their own, 676 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:02,640 Speaker 2: inadequacies and they look for followers to consider to reinforce 677 00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 2: that deleterious kind of. 678 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:07,400 Speaker 1: Thinking anything you going to, yeah. 679 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:12,480 Speaker 4: You, know specifically on cancel. Culture and it's such a 680 00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 4: fine line BECAUSE i think the kinds of harm that 681 00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 4: we cause influence how that harm needs to be. Addressed, 682 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 4: right and so like IF i walked in the studio 683 00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:23,080 Speaker 4: AND i, harmed you feel you. 684 00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,239 Speaker 1: Have every right to, like you, know you can't come 685 00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:26,200 Speaker 1: up from my studio no. 686 00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 5: MORE i don't know where you can, go but you 687 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:29,120 Speaker 5: can't come. 688 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:31,719 Speaker 4: Here right, right and in the same, Way and we 689 00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,239 Speaker 4: had kind of talked about this before today's airing and 690 00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:40,640 Speaker 4: this taping is that we communities particularly AND i want 691 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:45,080 Speaker 4: to speak about organizing spaces because it's either we're all 692 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,799 Speaker 4: kumbaya or so and so is. Canceled where is the 693 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 4: room to talk about conflict? Resolution you, know sometimes it's 694 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,560 Speaker 4: one thing if we're organizing and we have beef with 695 00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,200 Speaker 4: the people who have completely different views than. US i 696 00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:01,320 Speaker 4: can see how you may be made some crash jokes 697 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:02,360 Speaker 4: and kind of cut ass. 698 00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:03,919 Speaker 3: ON i can see. 699 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:07,640 Speaker 4: That but if the person is your, partner what kind 700 00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:09,840 Speaker 4: of conflict are you trying to have with that person 701 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:12,520 Speaker 4: or an organizing, person or your, family or like someone 702 00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:15,239 Speaker 4: you want to have a relationship. With how can you 703 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 4: have conflict without saying something that makes the person never 704 00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:22,000 Speaker 4: want to speak to you. Again like what level of 705 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,880 Speaker 4: interaction and love and respect for that person do you, 706 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,359 Speaker 4: Have because you're gonna have beef with, anybody you can 707 00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:32,680 Speaker 4: be mad at, anybody but a level of we just 708 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,439 Speaker 4: don't deal with these people or we'll just never get 709 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,080 Speaker 4: past this. Hurdle you, know three of us witnessed that 710 00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,200 Speaker 4: firsthand a couple of years ago in an organizing, community 711 00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 4: and what for me was the most heartbreaking Is it's, 712 00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:48,200 Speaker 4: like in the one, hand you tell people how they hurt, 713 00:41:48,239 --> 00:41:50,440 Speaker 4: you they are. Defensive they don't want to hear. It 714 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:52,000 Speaker 4: they just want to shrug and be, like, WELL. 715 00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,440 Speaker 5: I was doing my. THING i didn't think about. 716 00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,719 Speaker 4: That but then there's no loving attempt to be, like 717 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:00,200 Speaker 4: But i'm SORRY i hurt, you BUT i want to 718 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:04,799 Speaker 4: move forward. Together and that really comes down to how 719 00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,560 Speaker 4: we treat. People we can't treat people who are quote 720 00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 4: unquote on our side with a level of vitrol like 721 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:15,319 Speaker 4: they are the equivalent of the, enemy, right because then 722 00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,560 Speaker 4: you have nobody that's actually on your. Side you're just 723 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:21,319 Speaker 4: looking for. Fights some People shade No, shade come into 724 00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,440 Speaker 4: organizing just because they like to pick. Fight and then 725 00:42:24,800 --> 00:42:26,759 Speaker 4: now you're picking fights with people you're sitting next to 726 00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:29,919 Speaker 4: and they look. Confused and if somebody calls you in and, says, 727 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,239 Speaker 4: hey what you said or did was anti, black what 728 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,120 Speaker 4: you did was, transphobic what you did was xyz impact 729 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,080 Speaker 4: on the, community maybe you're centering all of a certain 730 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:42,760 Speaker 4: type of people in the space instead of. Reflecting everybody 731 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,160 Speaker 4: just wants to double, down and that's what's not moving 732 00:42:46,600 --> 00:42:49,640 Speaker 4: the needle forward for. Us everybody's laughing at leftists right 733 00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,440 Speaker 4: now because we're the only ones that quote unquote can't get. 734 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,360 Speaker 4: Along BUT i think that's because we. Don't we're not 735 00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,160 Speaker 4: investing ourselves in the getting, along you. 736 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,959 Speaker 2: KNOW i think too we or so programmed to fight 737 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:03,880 Speaker 2: all the time because we are fighting. Injustice we're fighting 738 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:07,280 Speaker 2: this and like in my own experience with the challenges 739 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:11,520 Speaker 2: that we've, had is like before it became this big blowout, 740 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:14,600 Speaker 2: thing it could have taken a simple you, KNOW i, 741 00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:15,960 Speaker 2: Apologize i've harmed. 742 00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,719 Speaker 1: You this was not my intention and it would have been. 743 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,360 Speaker 2: None but, unfortunately like in the, spaces they were loud and, 744 00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:26,920 Speaker 2: wrong they reinforced the loud and, wrong they started. INTIMIDATING i, 745 00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:30,440 Speaker 2: mean it's like it became all of the toxic things 746 00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 2: that we were supposed to be espousing, against and then 747 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:34,680 Speaker 2: all of a, sudden after all of, that then they 748 00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,480 Speaker 2: want to do the Fake kumbaya or the well we 749 00:43:37,560 --> 00:43:39,840 Speaker 2: need each. Other we just need to do this in their. 750 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,479 Speaker 2: Context and if you've done something, wrong you don't do your. 751 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:46,640 Speaker 2: Contexts you do the context. 752 00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:46,680 Speaker 1: Into what you. 753 00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:49,560 Speaker 2: Are you were loud and wrong to be loud and 754 00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,279 Speaker 2: right in speaking out on what you, did and you 755 00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,200 Speaker 2: asked for and the. Whole that's WHAT i WHAT i, 756 00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 2: found and now That i've got some, distance before it 757 00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:03,160 Speaker 2: was say affecting make which introduce more stress. Eating BUT 758 00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,839 Speaker 2: i won't go. There but the point is that is 759 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:08,799 Speaker 2: what the long and short of it. Is it's like 760 00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,200 Speaker 2: we as a community are blaming and shaming society and 761 00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:14,560 Speaker 2: what it is showing in the leftist communities that we 762 00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,920 Speaker 2: are not, immune we're not above the, fray. 763 00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:19,359 Speaker 1: And we need to instill that kind of thing. 764 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,320 Speaker 2: Understanding you, know we didn't you, know we don't always 765 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,480 Speaker 2: have to go to war chopping off the person's. Head 766 00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 2: we can be able to, say you know, what let's 767 00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:29,160 Speaker 2: take a pause for a. MINUTE i think our tempers 768 00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:31,840 Speaker 2: are getting getting a little bit out of. Control AND 769 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,520 Speaker 2: i know this is not my attempt to alienate, you 770 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:36,880 Speaker 2: AND i know you're not trying to insult. Me so 771 00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,759 Speaker 2: let's take the moment to take a breath and let 772 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,799 Speaker 2: me think on, whatever and then we will come back 773 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:47,600 Speaker 2: and have a more equable or more harmonious discussion in 774 00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:49,560 Speaker 2: order to get into. Solution BECAUSE i hate to, say 775 00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,080 Speaker 2: it's BECAUSE i always been speaking about we don't need, 776 00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:55,360 Speaker 2: everybody but we do need the people that who have 777 00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:59,800 Speaker 2: aligned ourselves in the same spirit of trying to overthrow 778 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:03,640 Speaker 2: the major isms of the. World but you, know LIKE i, 779 00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,960 Speaker 2: said you'll hear me very rarely say, it Because i've 780 00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:10,760 Speaker 2: seen people twist that gaslighting and harming people with saying 781 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,520 Speaker 2: that after extreme harm is done then they're running, trotting 782 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,200 Speaker 2: and somehow the person just ignore it or you, know 783 00:45:17,360 --> 00:45:19,440 Speaker 2: or dismissed it because we need. Everybody, no you, know 784 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:21,880 Speaker 2: that's WHERE i want to take a pan and crash 785 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,000 Speaker 2: you on the. Head but because it's, like you, know 786 00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:28,080 Speaker 2: that is not AND i left, Too like with, You, 787 00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,680 Speaker 2: MAX i left the cult a religious cult as, well 788 00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:35,320 Speaker 2: and the warp. Thinking So i've been very careful Because 789 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,600 Speaker 2: i'm very succeptible to trusting and believing in institutions that 790 00:45:39,640 --> 00:45:42,839 Speaker 2: they don't mean. Harm And i've been so gullible and 791 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:48,280 Speaker 2: not understanding THAT i have to have some filters BEFORE 792 00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,759 Speaker 2: i just go you, know willy nilly and just you, 793 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,960 Speaker 2: know kumbay, y'all you, know all of that kind of. 794 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:57,720 Speaker 6: Things so, YEAH i definitely think just in, general sitting 795 00:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,200 Speaker 6: with the uncomfortableness that it feels when you do cause somebody. 796 00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,840 Speaker 5: HARM i, know for, me WHEN i call someone. 797 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,440 Speaker 6: HARM i feel so much, Shame Like i'll be constantly 798 00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:12,319 Speaker 6: just like almost talking bad to myself and feeling all 799 00:46:12,360 --> 00:46:16,120 Speaker 6: this guilt and worry of like what are people going 800 00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,560 Speaker 6: to think about? ME i think that's what a lot 801 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,439 Speaker 6: of people who make mistakes sometimes maybe their mind goes 802 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:25,319 Speaker 6: to of LIKE i don't want people to think That 803 00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:28,120 Speaker 6: i'm not, this OR i don't want people to start 804 00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,839 Speaker 6: thinking bad about. Me AND i think as just like 805 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,600 Speaker 6: a society and, individuals we need to kind of sit 806 00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,560 Speaker 6: with that discomfort because it is. Uncomfortable nobody wants to 807 00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,799 Speaker 6: be the bad, guy even the people who are technically, 808 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,000 Speaker 6: Canceled LIKE i think that's why some people get so 809 00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,399 Speaker 6: upset of, like, YEAH i got, canceled because they don't 810 00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,680 Speaker 6: even want to be the bad. Guy they don't want 811 00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,160 Speaker 6: to be the one that's. HATED i like to believe 812 00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:58,719 Speaker 6: still that most humans have this want to be accepted 813 00:46:59,360 --> 00:47:01,600 Speaker 6: and to be loved and to be in community with. 814 00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:05,520 Speaker 1: People and SO i do think that the only way we. 815 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,360 Speaker 6: Get past some of the harm or some of the 816 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:13,680 Speaker 6: conflicts is reflecting within yourself what that person is saying 817 00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,160 Speaker 6: you did to, them even if it's, uncomfortable even if they're, 818 00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:21,080 Speaker 6: wrong even if they're wrong for a, second just, understanding 819 00:47:21,120 --> 00:47:25,080 Speaker 6: like people can still be right because you might SAY 820 00:47:25,200 --> 00:47:27,640 Speaker 6: i didn't do that OR i didn't make you feel that. 821 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:30,080 Speaker 6: Way you can't say that the person is wrong on 822 00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,120 Speaker 6: how you made them feel. Like it's just not going 823 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:34,680 Speaker 6: to work that. Way you have to sit with the 824 00:47:34,760 --> 00:47:38,360 Speaker 6: uncomfortableness and at the same, time, like we can't just 825 00:47:38,400 --> 00:47:41,680 Speaker 6: dismiss things and be, like, well let's move, On like 826 00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:45,120 Speaker 6: that's not how it works in. Relationships If i'm with 827 00:47:45,160 --> 00:47:48,840 Speaker 6: my partner AND i hurt my partner on, SOMETHING i 828 00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:51,560 Speaker 6: can't just be, like get over. It i'm sure parents 829 00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,360 Speaker 6: can't just tell their kids get over. It what starts 830 00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:59,440 Speaker 6: to create and that is resentment and more harm because 831 00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:02,400 Speaker 6: now you're just, like, okay like rub some dirt on, 832 00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:03,360 Speaker 6: it get, up hurry. 833 00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,040 Speaker 1: Up and AND i don't. 834 00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,160 Speaker 6: KNOW i would rather prefer being sensitive towards. 835 00:48:08,200 --> 00:48:15,640 Speaker 2: People we'll be right, BACK i, felt quick, break welcome. 836 00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:18,480 Speaker 2: Back this Is Theel henderson With weedie And. House here's 837 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:23,120 Speaker 2: the rest of my conversation With amanda And. MAX i 838 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:28,160 Speaker 2: remember what made me get into education BECAUSE i knew the, 839 00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:33,440 Speaker 2: headiness the joy when you comprehend. Something BUT i did 840 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,560 Speaker 2: not like how my background it made It like IF 841 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:40,680 Speaker 2: i didn't know the. ANSWER i come from the old school, 842 00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,600 Speaker 2: parenting they, would you, know yell and beat the hell 843 00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:45,759 Speaker 2: out of you, to you, know until you Get like for, 844 00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,359 Speaker 2: example If johnny got five apples and you took one 845 00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:50,279 Speaker 2: and a halfles away and you, said you, know how 846 00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:50,920 Speaker 2: many apples you? 847 00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:51,279 Speaker 1: Have like? 848 00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,960 Speaker 2: Seven you, know just so there's been skits about, it 849 00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:57,640 Speaker 2: but you, know SO i grew up in that, era 850 00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,520 Speaker 2: and you, know most of the parents of that generation 851 00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,040 Speaker 2: was taught the same, way and they didn't know any. 852 00:49:03,080 --> 00:49:06,320 Speaker 2: Better but the thing it is is that in order 853 00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:08,600 Speaker 2: for people to sit with, it they have to understand 854 00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:09,440 Speaker 2: their origin. 855 00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:10,080 Speaker 1: Story you. 856 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:13,160 Speaker 2: Know that's WHY i think there's such a disconnect with 857 00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:15,680 Speaker 2: the older. Generation they don't want to take the courage 858 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,360 Speaker 2: to look back at their own upbreaking and then, say you, 859 00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:20,960 Speaker 2: know that might not have been the best way to do, 860 00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:25,239 Speaker 2: it AND i recycle, that and now someone's breaking the 861 00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,359 Speaker 2: cycle and want to, say you know this harm let's 862 00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,840 Speaker 2: not do, this let's not bring this. Forward AND i 863 00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:33,120 Speaker 2: think too a lot of times in the movement with 864 00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:38,439 Speaker 2: the generational thing, too it's they're not used to being 865 00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:43,239 Speaker 2: called to account by people that consider their. Youngers you. 866 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:47,279 Speaker 2: Know that's another THING i noticed. Too it's like they 867 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,000 Speaker 2: weren't raised that. Way they were the only raised that 868 00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:52,560 Speaker 2: the elders could do no wrong even if they were, 869 00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,359 Speaker 2: wrong or they would give statements that, well they just 870 00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,359 Speaker 2: did the best they could and just they think that 871 00:49:57,520 --> 00:49:59,919 Speaker 2: was going to be the salve over the broken. Leg 872 00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,680 Speaker 2: you jacked. Up you have to ignore all of the 873 00:50:02,719 --> 00:50:05,640 Speaker 2: harm and things of that. Nature so now THAT i 874 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,160 Speaker 2: have gotten a little winter on my head THAT i 875 00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:11,160 Speaker 2: look at like and knowing, that what motivated me to 876 00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:13,560 Speaker 2: start teaching and being the teacher. 877 00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,840 Speaker 1: WAS i am not going to teach about cutes like. 878 00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,200 Speaker 2: This i'm not going to teach my students like this 879 00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:22,560 Speaker 2: BECAUSE i know how hard and how much harmful and 880 00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,840 Speaker 2: much more hard work it takes to reach that educational. 881 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,759 Speaker 2: Enlightenment and when you get people to work through the 882 00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,759 Speaker 2: deal processes without shame and without harm and not beat 883 00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:35,479 Speaker 2: the hell out of, them it's much more rewarding because 884 00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:37,520 Speaker 2: you don't have to you don't have to do. It 885 00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:39,520 Speaker 2: there is a better, way AND i think that's what 886 00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,680 Speaker 2: the theory. Is they feel that if you don't enflorence 887 00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:46,600 Speaker 2: physical violence or enforce some kind of violence in some 888 00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,879 Speaker 2: type of form that that's not. Effective you're not going 889 00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:52,759 Speaker 2: to be a self actualized. Person BUT i may. 890 00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:58,520 Speaker 4: Digress, NO i appreciate you saying, that because you, know twofold, 891 00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:04,000 Speaker 4: one so many generations had completely soaked up and enjoyed. 892 00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:07,759 Speaker 5: This the elders are always right kind of motto. 893 00:51:07,560 --> 00:51:10,160 Speaker 4: And mantra that we've been running with for so long 894 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:14,200 Speaker 4: and never creating space to say elders have space to 895 00:51:14,280 --> 00:51:17,520 Speaker 4: learn and grow. Too we all are constantly learning and. 896 00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:21,680 Speaker 4: Growing and you, Know i'm very fortunate my mom in. 897 00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:25,560 Speaker 4: Particular sure she you, know gave me typical black mom experience, 898 00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:29,280 Speaker 4: too but she genuinely would let me. Talk she actually 899 00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:33,880 Speaker 4: would listen her bullshit dollar and there was space for 900 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:34,600 Speaker 4: a little bit of. 901 00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:38,200 Speaker 1: Shit SO i got to ask. 902 00:51:38,320 --> 00:51:41,400 Speaker 4: QUESTIONS i got to on a rare, occasion be LIKE 903 00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,520 Speaker 4: i don't, understand don't, like don't, agree and at least 904 00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:47,600 Speaker 4: be listened. To and even, that people don't get that 905 00:51:47,719 --> 00:51:50,719 Speaker 4: kind of. Space, SO i, mean we want people to think, 906 00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:53,279 Speaker 4: critically and we don't give them the space to think, 907 00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,640 Speaker 4: Critically like when you scold that person because they don't 908 00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,640 Speaker 4: understand Why johnny does not have seven apple right instead 909 00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,080 Speaker 4: of like unpacking LIKE i took one? 910 00:52:02,080 --> 00:52:03,880 Speaker 5: Away what about that isn't? 911 00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:09,600 Speaker 4: Clear you, know you stunt their own development and intellectual 912 00:52:09,640 --> 00:52:10,200 Speaker 4: growth to. 913 00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:11,879 Speaker 1: Be understood psychologically and. 914 00:52:11,960 --> 00:52:15,080 Speaker 4: Psychological you, know so many people are caught, up including, 915 00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:18,719 Speaker 4: myself and the things people have said maybe, five, ten, 916 00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:22,160 Speaker 4: fifteen twenty years, ago that they said it once and 917 00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:23,239 Speaker 4: now you're still caught. 918 00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,880 Speaker 5: Up and does everybody think? That does everybody feel that? 919 00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,759 Speaker 4: Way AND i feel like that kind of transitions to 920 00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,319 Speaker 4: something else we're both very passionate, about which is the 921 00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,280 Speaker 4: ways in which you actually care for and love. Yourself 922 00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:39,520 Speaker 4: Because i'll also admit one of the reasons my mom 923 00:52:39,560 --> 00:52:41,560 Speaker 4: was an awesome mom is because my mom actually took 924 00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:43,960 Speaker 4: care of. Herself my mom made sure to look the 925 00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:46,120 Speaker 4: way she wanted to, look and to take care of 926 00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,440 Speaker 4: all the little things in her own personal life that 927 00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:51,400 Speaker 4: mattered to, her whether it was her skin or reading 928 00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,200 Speaker 4: or whatever she liked to. Do when we don't take 929 00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,359 Speaker 4: that time to rejuvenate ourselves and to feel good about, 930 00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,200 Speaker 4: ourselves of course we're going to go pick on our, 931 00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:02,799 Speaker 4: kids going to go pick on our fellow organizer and 932 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:05,960 Speaker 4: comrade because we're not even happy within our own, body you, 933 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,960 Speaker 4: know and there's this framework of rest as. Resistance shout 934 00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:13,840 Speaker 4: out for SHAHERSY i love her so, much but the 935 00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,760 Speaker 4: CONCEPT i already believed in it and like the concept 936 00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,800 Speaker 4: of slow. Living but the ways in which she presents 937 00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,120 Speaker 4: it as particularly for us as people who've been, colonized 938 00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,440 Speaker 4: people who've been, enslaved people who've been affected by systems 939 00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:30,719 Speaker 4: of capitalism and white, supremacy is that that opportunity to 940 00:53:30,920 --> 00:53:33,680 Speaker 4: just rest and just be was stripped away from so 941 00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:38,239 Speaker 4: many of our ancestors or. Vilified that every time that 942 00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:41,200 Speaker 4: you're not in a, rushing in a grind to create, 943 00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,880 Speaker 4: something you're really refilling, yourself even if you're just sitting 944 00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,080 Speaker 4: in a room with your eyes, closed still, awake not 945 00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,880 Speaker 4: even taking a full, Nap that that's a form of 946 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:55,239 Speaker 4: rest and, rejuvenation and that it's through that settled digestive, 947 00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:59,160 Speaker 4: system settled autonomic. Response you're not in fight or, flight 948 00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,759 Speaker 4: you're not the world's not, ending the roof isn't on. 949 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,480 Speaker 4: Fire that's when you can really show up as your best. 950 00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:08,799 Speaker 4: Self and it's a matter of loving yourself enough to 951 00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:12,200 Speaker 4: know that you deserve that and prioritize, that and also 952 00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:17,399 Speaker 4: giving yourself grace without excusing your, own you, know shortcomings 953 00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:18,719 Speaker 4: to the point where you're, like, Well i'm not going 954 00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,120 Speaker 4: to fix BECAUSE i just accept that's. Me like see 955 00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:25,520 Speaker 4: yourself where you're, at acknowledge where you could, be and 956 00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,480 Speaker 4: then take steps whatever that looks. 957 00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:27,880 Speaker 5: Like you. 958 00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,480 Speaker 2: KNOW i think two where our society is that we 959 00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:36,600 Speaker 2: don't allow for mistakes because you, know and particularly people 960 00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,239 Speaker 2: THAT i have falling under the ways of, colonization you, 961 00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,000 Speaker 2: know particularly in The African american COMMUNITY i can speak, 962 00:54:43,040 --> 00:54:46,719 Speaker 2: to is that one mistake could be the end or 963 00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:50,720 Speaker 2: it could be disastrous. Results so we have this hyper 964 00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:57,440 Speaker 2: perfection built in and it stifles expression in many, respects 965 00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:02,040 Speaker 2: creativity and the law spectrum of. Humanity AND i think 966 00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:06,319 Speaker 2: it's very difficult for sometimes our, generation our communities to 967 00:55:06,480 --> 00:55:10,040 Speaker 2: let go of just some traumatic. Experiences we, do you, 968 00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:14,480 Speaker 2: know in our community have melancholic kind of humor reminiscing 969 00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,799 Speaker 2: some of the responses that we have today because we 970 00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:19,440 Speaker 2: do have humor in order for us to bear some 971 00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,880 Speaker 2: of the burdens of. It but we also need a 972 00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,640 Speaker 2: cathartic release to say we don't have to relive, that 973 00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:29,040 Speaker 2: we don't have to pass that on to. Children because 974 00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:32,480 Speaker 2: there is a group of generation people saying this is 975 00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:36,480 Speaker 2: what kids need their you, know denigrating gentle parenting or 976 00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:40,279 Speaker 2: the soft life is if that's the most enemy of 977 00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:44,560 Speaker 2: what of? Entitlement there have been entitled people all the 978 00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:46,919 Speaker 2: rudent society that got beaten the hell out of and 979 00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:51,440 Speaker 2: that doesn't stop you from being entitled or believing that 980 00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:55,440 Speaker 2: you above the. Phrase so it's that belief that beating 981 00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,400 Speaker 2: or a violence of some form is the most effective 982 00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,960 Speaker 2: way to children or deal with the new people of 983 00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,200 Speaker 2: society or our future. Generations you, know we need to 984 00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,919 Speaker 2: return back to those old slave past. 985 00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:10,840 Speaker 1: Tactics so, YEAH. 986 00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,399 Speaker 6: I definitely agree agree with you. TOO i think doing 987 00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:17,480 Speaker 6: this type of work has kind of forced me to 988 00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:21,399 Speaker 6: like look within where my trauma has come, from HOW 989 00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:25,000 Speaker 6: i was, raised HOW i was, treated IF i made, 990 00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,160 Speaker 6: mistakes HOW i was, treated IF i was the type 991 00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:30,640 Speaker 6: of person that they may not have wanted me to, 992 00:56:30,719 --> 00:56:35,759 Speaker 6: be even my attachment, styles learning about even what an 993 00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:40,640 Speaker 6: attachment style. IS i think that what a lot of 994 00:56:40,719 --> 00:56:44,000 Speaker 6: us really believe in is, care and we really want 995 00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:48,160 Speaker 6: care for the. WORLD i think that the biggest reason 996 00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:52,200 Speaker 6: why you see all these leftists or people fighting for 997 00:56:52,360 --> 00:56:55,720 Speaker 6: stuff is because they really do care and they want 998 00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:59,120 Speaker 6: care to be part of their, world and, honestly we 999 00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:03,440 Speaker 6: are creating that already within our own. COMMUNITIES i think 1000 00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:07,240 Speaker 6: that that sometimes when you're a person who really loves helping, 1001 00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:11,880 Speaker 6: people and at least for, myself you can get so 1002 00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:15,600 Speaker 6: lost in just helping everybody, else and you forget about, 1003 00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:19,600 Speaker 6: Yourself you forget about your, traumas your, triggers your, pain 1004 00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:22,640 Speaker 6: and you're just, LIKE i need to help the next. 1005 00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:26,360 Speaker 6: Person AND i understand that feeling BECAUSE i help people 1006 00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:29,440 Speaker 6: who you, know are on the street or you, KNOW 1007 00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:32,040 Speaker 6: i feel guilty LIKE i get to go home and 1008 00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,960 Speaker 6: this person is not in a, house they're, outside and 1009 00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,920 Speaker 6: SO i feel like this constant need of LIKE i 1010 00:57:37,960 --> 00:57:42,000 Speaker 6: need to do one hundred. Percent AND i think even growing, 1011 00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,480 Speaker 6: up like as a young, PERSON i was a workaholic 1012 00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:48,720 Speaker 6: what you would consider a workaholic in the healthcare, industry 1013 00:57:49,240 --> 00:57:52,440 Speaker 6: of just like constantly, like, okay we're short, STAFF i 1014 00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:56,160 Speaker 6: will volunteer my, time you, know to do another shift 1015 00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,919 Speaker 6: to help these. Folks and it's like we forget about 1016 00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:03,160 Speaker 6: it ourselves. Sometimes AND i think that as we fight 1017 00:58:03,240 --> 00:58:04,720 Speaker 6: for the care that we want to see in the, 1018 00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:07,880 Speaker 6: world we need to fight just as hard in our own. 1019 00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:09,320 Speaker 5: Lives to provide that care for. 1020 00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:13,120 Speaker 6: Ourselves And i'm very lucky Where i'm at, now the 1021 00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:17,120 Speaker 6: type of, workplace the environment is very much about like 1022 00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:20,640 Speaker 6: taking care of. Yourself and SO i do hope that 1023 00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,240 Speaker 6: folks who are out, there you, know, fighting you know 1024 00:58:24,320 --> 00:58:27,680 Speaker 6: that you do have time to enjoy a bubble, bath 1025 00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,200 Speaker 6: or enjoy sleeping or taking a. 1026 00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:31,280 Speaker 5: Nap please. 1027 00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:34,400 Speaker 6: SLEEP i think we don't even sometimes sleep, enough you, 1028 00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:38,240 Speaker 6: Know and SO i do feel like we need to, 1029 00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:40,840 Speaker 6: rest and we need to love ourselves and we need 1030 00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:45,320 Speaker 6: to heal those, wounds because when we heal those, things 1031 00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:50,080 Speaker 6: we're able to create better relationships with other, people and 1032 00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:53,920 Speaker 6: when conflict, arises you will be able to handle conflict 1033 00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,960 Speaker 6: a lot. Better when you know yourself a lot better 1034 00:58:57,080 --> 00:58:59,640 Speaker 6: and you go to therapy and you get that help 1035 00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,480 Speaker 6: that you need and you talk about those moments that 1036 00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:06,240 Speaker 6: really have impacted your life and why it's so hard 1037 00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,360 Speaker 6: to even move, forward why it's so hard to be, 1038 00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:13,840 Speaker 6: confident to feel, loved to not feel. Shame AND i 1039 00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,440 Speaker 6: think that's the main thing THAT i would want to 1040 00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:20,000 Speaker 6: share with, folks is, like you, KNOW i hope you know. 1041 00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:21,000 Speaker 1: That you are. 1042 00:59:21,080 --> 00:59:25,040 Speaker 6: Loved you're deserving of being. Loved you're deserving of having, 1043 00:59:25,160 --> 00:59:30,960 Speaker 6: Care you're deserving of having, Rest you're deserving of enjoying, 1044 00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:35,080 Speaker 6: life you, know and just having fun, too because life 1045 00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:36,320 Speaker 6: can be fun and it can be. 1046 00:59:36,320 --> 00:59:39,960 Speaker 1: Beautiful well. STATED i hate to cut the. 1047 00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:42,280 Speaker 2: Conversation she, like we were having such a great, time 1048 00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:46,360 Speaker 2: BUT i want to change tax quickly and say that 1049 00:59:46,440 --> 00:59:49,479 Speaker 2: what's been? Currently you guys are doing something In New, Orleans. 1050 00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,040 Speaker 2: Louisiana can you talk a little bit about? That and 1051 00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:53,920 Speaker 2: where can we find you guys's? 1052 00:59:54,000 --> 00:59:59,040 Speaker 4: Works, so, yes we are going to be speaking at 1053 00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:02,920 Speaker 4: another cont. Friends it's still shocking to me BECAUSE i 1054 01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:06,440 Speaker 4: just googled it one day and now we're going and 1055 01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:11,440 Speaker 4: we'll be speaking about ways to really improve and at 1056 01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:15,600 Speaker 4: the bare minimum make the system OF. Hmis SO hmis 1057 01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:20,800 Speaker 4: is The Homeless Management Information. System it's the number that 1058 01:00:21,120 --> 01:00:24,360 Speaker 4: anybody typically going through a, shelter or you're supposed to 1059 01:00:24,360 --> 01:00:26,040 Speaker 4: be if you go through a, shelter but we won't 1060 01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:30,960 Speaker 4: get into that today or. Outreach you're tagged with that, number, 1061 01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:35,960 Speaker 4: right and that's how they understand how to serve, you 1062 01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:39,480 Speaker 4: what your needs, are what you've been, through. Etc and, 1063 01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:44,640 Speaker 4: unfortunately despite how many information systems exist in the, world 1064 01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:48,320 Speaker 4: like a patient portal or the resources you go can 1065 01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,520 Speaker 4: see about your own life and your own. Records when 1066 01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,760 Speaker 4: you go to THE, dmv there is no public facing 1067 01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:57,920 Speaker 4: version OF, hmis so there's practically no way for you 1068 01:00:58,000 --> 01:01:01,800 Speaker 4: to obtain your own records aside from asking an organization 1069 01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:05,240 Speaker 4: that you're working. With and, unfortunately due to, bias most 1070 01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:08,120 Speaker 4: organizations blow you off and act like you're a. Nuisance 1071 01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:12,000 Speaker 4: and so we're really there to say both for the 1072 01:01:12,080 --> 01:01:15,760 Speaker 4: sake of case managers and people who provide, services and 1073 01:01:15,920 --> 01:01:20,480 Speaker 4: absolutely for the folks receiving those. Services knowing your own, 1074 01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:24,680 Speaker 4: information being able to request, changes being able to update your, 1075 01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,760 Speaker 4: information these things can be make or break and are 1076 01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,560 Speaker 4: another form of harm, reduction you, know reducing the harm 1077 01:01:30,560 --> 01:01:33,880 Speaker 4: of being homeless altogether by making it a little easier 1078 01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:36,800 Speaker 4: for you to have control over your own. Stuff so 1079 01:01:36,880 --> 01:01:40,520 Speaker 4: we'll be doing that the end Of april in. General 1080 01:01:40,520 --> 01:01:42,840 Speaker 4: and it's funny when we initially agreed to sit down with, 1081 01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:45,200 Speaker 4: you we were, like what do we talk. 1082 01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:45,880 Speaker 5: About the world's? 1083 01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:48,919 Speaker 4: Ending and we were a little like shook at, first 1084 01:01:49,080 --> 01:01:52,680 Speaker 4: like how do you tell people to keep, organizing to 1085 01:01:52,760 --> 01:01:56,240 Speaker 4: keep advocating for rights to keep advocating for higher quality 1086 01:01:56,280 --> 01:02:00,120 Speaker 4: of life when we're being shouted, down shut, down or 1087 01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,360 Speaker 4: imprisoned and told that that's just not going to be 1088 01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:08,360 Speaker 4: the way. Forward but ultimately it's just it's a it's 1089 01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:10,760 Speaker 4: a step by step, thing it's a day by day. 1090 01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:15,680 Speaker 4: Thing but we can't give, up because then what WILL 1091 01:02:15,720 --> 01:02:18,080 Speaker 4: i do with my life IF i just stop supporting. 1092 01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:21,560 Speaker 4: People i've already seen my, support you, know empower. People 1093 01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:24,720 Speaker 4: we've seen our workshops and whether that's meeting up with 1094 01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:28,600 Speaker 4: mutual aid groups or speaking at, conferences we've seen the 1095 01:02:28,640 --> 01:02:31,640 Speaker 4: ideas that that can spark and that kind of renewed 1096 01:02:31,720 --> 01:02:36,080 Speaker 4: faith and we as a people can create any system 1097 01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:38,640 Speaker 4: and anything we. Want and it's not to say that 1098 01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,000 Speaker 4: even speaking at this conference is to reform H mis 1099 01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,360 Speaker 4: because you, know at the end of the, day there 1100 01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:46,640 Speaker 4: are systems that point blank period have to. 1101 01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:48,120 Speaker 5: Fall reform isn't going to cut. 1102 01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:52,520 Speaker 4: It that being, said just because reform isn't going to cut, 1103 01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:54,840 Speaker 4: it does that MEAN i don't go into this room 1104 01:02:55,000 --> 01:02:57,560 Speaker 4: as a person with lived experience and say people have 1105 01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:01,520 Speaker 4: the right to their own records, now and if they implement, it, 1106 01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:04,280 Speaker 4: great and if someday that system falls and a new 1107 01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:07,080 Speaker 4: one replaces, it as long as it includes the things 1108 01:03:07,080 --> 01:03:07,720 Speaker 4: that uphold. 1109 01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:08,880 Speaker 5: DIGNITY i love. It you. 1110 01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:13,800 Speaker 4: Know it's revolution, pending really it. Is and where can 1111 01:03:13,840 --> 01:03:16,880 Speaker 4: folks find? Us we're on the. Low we like to 1112 01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:22,600 Speaker 4: stay low, key but we've got like an, Email, yeah an. 1113 01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:26,200 Speaker 4: Email do you want to provide your? Email we provide 1114 01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:26,680 Speaker 4: both of our. 1115 01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:28,800 Speaker 5: Email we, could, well we had our. 1116 01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:32,160 Speaker 4: Project it was originally Called rights And Resources, project and 1117 01:03:32,240 --> 01:03:37,640 Speaker 4: our emails rights spelled rig H t S A n 1118 01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:42,040 Speaker 4: d R e s O u r c s Y 1119 01:03:42,120 --> 01:03:44,840 Speaker 4: S i spelled, it BUT i got it project p 1120 01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:49,560 Speaker 4: r o J e C t At proton not. Me 1121 01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:53,920 Speaker 4: but there's tons of ways to reach. Us we'll slide 1122 01:03:53,960 --> 01:03:55,800 Speaker 4: the details to you for. 1123 01:03:55,880 --> 01:04:00,880 Speaker 2: Sure, well this was a very enlightening and very exciting 1124 01:04:01,000 --> 01:04:04,440 Speaker 2: informative conversation AND i thank you all for coming in 1125 01:04:04,560 --> 01:04:08,680 Speaker 2: to take the time to educate us liberators and. Motivators 1126 01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:13,720 Speaker 2: thank you so much To amanda And max for that, 1127 01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,800 Speaker 2: time and you can follow their work at the links 1128 01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:19,919 Speaker 2: in the. Description please don't forget to vote for us 1129 01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:23,919 Speaker 2: in the Web People's Choice, awards also at the link 1130 01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,320 Speaker 2: in the. Description and thank you. 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