1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to SAFT 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: when they were told you production of iHeart Radio, and 3 00:00:18,760 --> 00:00:22,400 Speaker 1: welcome to activists around the world. Today we're gonna talk 4 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 1: about feminism in China, and we're gonna talk about a 5 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:28,600 Speaker 1: lot of things, but we're pretty much focusing on and 6 00:00:28,640 --> 00:00:31,440 Speaker 1: with that, we couldn't talk about feminism in China without 7 00:00:31,480 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: looking into some of the women who have been pushing 8 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: to advocate for our rights for the Chinese women and 9 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,920 Speaker 1: queer community. And today we're talking about the Feminist Five. 10 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:43,200 Speaker 1: So in a campaign spread throughout the country to protest 11 00:00:43,240 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 1: against sexual harassment on public transportation led by the Feminist Five. 12 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: Before we get in there, let's talk about the feminism 13 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 1: in China. When it comes to feminism in China, the 14 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: movement has been slow going, but many have stated they 15 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 1: felt it was getting more attention and more support today 16 00:00:58,920 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 1: than before. So the current government under Cheeching paying with 17 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,119 Speaker 1: the Communist Party Congress of China, have not made many 18 00:01:06,160 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: moves to show any type of support for women in 19 00:01:08,520 --> 00:01:12,760 Speaker 1: the country, as in fact, no women were appointed to 20 00:01:12,800 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 1: the leadership of the Chinese government, making it the first 21 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: time in twenty five years that there's no woman represented 22 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,199 Speaker 1: in the leadership role, which is made up of twenty 23 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: four party leaders that governed the country for the next 24 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: five years. And ironically, she promised in a to address 25 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 1: UH celebrating the twenty fifth anniversary of the UN Fourth 26 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:35,600 Speaker 1: World Congress on Women to improve women's status by pushing 27 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: for gender equality and protecting the overall rights of women. UM. 28 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 1: But seeing the current state of the government leaders, it 29 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: doesn't seem as if he is moving in the right 30 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: direction to fulfill his promises. But the conversation of the 31 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,400 Speaker 1: feminist government in China has been rising. Thinks in part 32 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 1: to the activism of the Feminist Five and awakening happened 33 00:01:55,400 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 1: within the country. But before we talk about what they did, 34 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: let's talk about who made up the five right, And 35 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 1: we're gonna go ahead and put a little asterix here. 36 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:10,040 Speaker 1: The names were kind of hard to find to pronounce. 37 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 1: We're going to try our best to respect the pronunciations. 38 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:15,440 Speaker 1: But please don't come at us. If you want to 39 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: correct us kindly, that would be that's fine, But we 40 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: mean to us. Okay, we're trying our best. So we're 41 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 1: gonna start with Wu wrong Grong Wu worked with the 42 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: Women's Rights group in ring Ping and founded though Waiting 43 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: Women's Center in Hung Joe We studied at the China 44 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: Women's University, majoring in social work and working as a 45 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: feminist activist and advocate. And not only did she work 46 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: with different organizations that led many campaigns throughout the country, 47 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:46,880 Speaker 1: but she also was a project leader of Beijing Ping 48 00:02:46,960 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: Center for Women's rights programs and worked with Beijing's Aji 49 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: Shing Institute and Engia working for the rights of those 50 00:02:53,480 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 1: living with HIV and AIDS. And then we have Lee 51 00:02:56,600 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: ting Ting or also known as Lee Matza Sorry y'all uh. 52 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:02,640 Speaker 1: Lee has been a part of the activism world for 53 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: a while, including creating the Elizabeian Community Trading Group in 54 00:03:05,919 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: the secondary of her time at the university, which offered 55 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,080 Speaker 1: counseling services as well as support for students. She was 56 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: involved with several public demonstrations, including one in twelve where 57 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: she and two others walked down a shopping area wearing 58 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: bridle gowns covered in blood to bring awareness to the 59 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: issues of domestic violence in China, and again later demonstrated 60 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,960 Speaker 1: in protest for the large lines for women's bathrooms by 61 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:30,799 Speaker 1: encouraging women to use the men's bathroom, which was called 62 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:33,760 Speaker 1: the occupied Men's Room. It also was to call out 63 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:40,840 Speaker 1: the gender gap and gender privileges of the workspace. Uh 64 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: then there's Waiting Ting, who is also queer in women's 65 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: rights activist. Way was part of the Wuhan Rainbow and 66 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:51,400 Speaker 1: LGBT Organization. As well as becoming a director of the 67 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 1: LGBT organization. She also co founded the National Bisexual Network 68 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,560 Speaker 1: in China. Way worked as the project manager at the 69 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,280 Speaker 1: Beijing Gender Health Education Institute, which was an agency working 70 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: to raise awareness in gender and equities, sexual diversity, and 71 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 1: sexual health. And then there is Wangman. Wong is researcher 72 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,320 Speaker 1: about gender studies and has been working for an anti 73 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 1: poverty in g O. She later participated with the Occupy 74 00:04:19,960 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 1: Men's Toilets movement. And then there is Jung Turon also 75 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,919 Speaker 1: known as a Big Rabbit. Jung is an activist and 76 00:04:27,960 --> 00:04:30,760 Speaker 1: writer who was invited to join the Other four for 77 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 1: the Occupy Men's Tilet protest in twelve. She also went 78 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 1: on to help with the Bloody Bride's protest. So now 79 00:04:37,360 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 1: that we've met the women, let's talk about it. On 80 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: International Women's Day. In the Feminist five were arrested for 81 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: quote picking quarrels and provoking trouble. We love that, not 82 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: the arrested part, but that title. The ladies had planned 83 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,359 Speaker 1: to protest event that would include them and others handing 84 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 1: out anti sexual harassment stickers on the subway to bring 85 00:04:56,839 --> 00:05:00,640 Speaker 1: awareness of the sexual harassment on public transportation, but before 86 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: they even started, all five women were arrested and detained 87 00:05:03,800 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 1: for thirty seven days. As the women were detained, all 88 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: of them were interrogated and threatened to stop their activism. 89 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 1: Lee was cursed and persecuted for her sexuality as a lesbian. 90 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: Her father was used against her as she was forced 91 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: by the agents to write her a letter to convince 92 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,440 Speaker 1: her to stop her work. Who tried to take the 93 00:05:20,560 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 1: blame actually and convinced the agents to release the other 94 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: activists as she was the founder of the women's center 95 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: and at the time of the rest, who was receiving 96 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: treatment for an illness which she had been the hospital 97 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,920 Speaker 1: for previously, and then she was immediately taken into custody 98 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: and she was denied medical treatment at that time, and 99 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: who wasn't the only one with health conditions Um Wong 100 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 1: who had a heart condition at the time was concerned 101 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:44,360 Speaker 1: about whether she would be able to make it under 102 00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 1: distress and harsh conditions of prison. Wang Way and Jung 103 00:05:47,839 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: all have their classes confiscated. I struggle with that word 104 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: before they were locked up, and it could not see 105 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: clearly during their detention, and Jong, who suffered from anxiety, 106 00:05:57,560 --> 00:05:59,960 Speaker 1: also had issues of hair falling out in his Samni 107 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: during her detention. Uh, it was recorded that she had 108 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: felt guilty as if she was the one who who 109 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: thought of the sticker idea um all, but we were 110 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,520 Speaker 1: locked up near each other, uh, though she wasn't too 111 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 1: far away. They said that they were able to comfort 112 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: each other during this time by talking and singing with 113 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:33,279 Speaker 1: each other. So the rest of the Feminist Five went 114 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: international and many public figures spoke out, including Hillary Clinton 115 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 1: and Joe Biden UH, and there was also a hashtag 116 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: hashtag Free Beijing twenty five. There was also support from 117 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: the people around China, as in fact, women protested with 118 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: masks of the Feminist Five to show support, and then 119 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,400 Speaker 1: the women lawyers around China also came together to reach 120 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: out to the Department of Public Safety and even launched 121 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 1: complaints for the release of the women, which actually resulted 122 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: in the government prosecuting the humans rights lawyers, including the 123 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 1: lawyer that represented Lee Wong You, who would actually be 124 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,760 Speaker 1: detained later on, but the feminist five were released after 125 00:07:08,800 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: thirty seven days due to the international pressure around them. 126 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:16,480 Speaker 1: But the government continued surveilling and monitoring the five women 127 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 1: and most of the women that have actually left the 128 00:07:18,720 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: main part of China right. So Lee went on to 129 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: travel and live abroad. She was able to deliver speeches 130 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: and bring awareness to the needs of those in the 131 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: marginalized community. Um she studied in England and the Human 132 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: Rights Master's program at the University of Sussex. After her studies, 133 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 1: she returned to her home in Beijing, and Lee talked 134 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: about why she returned. She said, quote the reason why 135 00:07:40,240 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: I decided without hesitation to return to China is simple. 136 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 1: There is no escape. We live in a time when 137 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 1: every day we can be disgusted by Trump. What's so 138 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: disheartening is that people are getting used to this awful 139 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: world staying angering away. I realized that the longer I 140 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: stayed in England, the more I felt like I needed 141 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,600 Speaker 1: to return to China as a feminist activist, a gay 142 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: rights activist. Other than turning to my own country. What 143 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,400 Speaker 1: better choices there? When history happens, I must be present 144 00:08:04,760 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: with this conviction. I came back to China Way continued 145 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,400 Speaker 1: to work to fight against sexual harassment in China, even 146 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: after the original organization was shut down. She went on 147 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 1: to open the Guang Joe Gender and Sexuality Education Center 148 00:08:17,960 --> 00:08:21,200 Speaker 1: the g SEC, which was also shut down in ten 149 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: but she continued to push forward and launched a new 150 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 1: program which helps the victims of sexual violence. Jung has 151 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: continued to write as a freelancer. She also has continued 152 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,560 Speaker 1: to advocate for the rights of women around the world. 153 00:08:34,200 --> 00:08:36,360 Speaker 1: She was a big part of the hashtag me two 154 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: movement in China and even wrote to President Trump about 155 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: his sexist behavior, which went viral online. Right Long struggled 156 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 1: after her detention and was reported that her life was 157 00:08:48,320 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: quote shattered. The last report on her activities show that 158 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: she has gone back to the academic and social work field. Woo, 159 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: as leader of the group, had been through quite a 160 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,839 Speaker 1: lot during her detention and even more so after she 161 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 1: was released. She soon returned to the academic field with 162 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: her expertise and public interest related to psychological counseling UM, 163 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 1: and she was last reported to be living in Hong Kong. 164 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,960 Speaker 1: And by the way, these updates were so of course 165 00:09:13,000 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 1: they're not completely up to date. UM. And I know 166 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,679 Speaker 1: that that many of them have done many more things, 167 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,920 Speaker 1: but it's not well known. I think Lee is the 168 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 1: most well known right now and the loudest activists thus far. 169 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: She did, I think recently get married not too long ago, 170 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: a few years ago, to her wife. So that's beautiful, 171 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 1: uh to see. But yeah, there's not a lot we know. 172 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,920 Speaker 1: I believe one of the other activist husband soon got 173 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: arrested for his activism as well. So there's a lot 174 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 1: going on obviously, UM. And there's a lot of conversation, 175 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: and apparently there's been a thing where women in the 176 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 1: smaller villages had been kidnapped and forced to have children. 177 00:09:47,960 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: There's so many things in happening in China. Honestly, as 178 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: bad as that sounds, it kind of sounds on par 179 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: with some of the things that's happening in the U 180 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: S when it comes to women's rights. So we definitely 181 00:09:56,600 --> 00:10:00,320 Speaker 1: want to support and um keep an eye out for 182 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,680 Speaker 1: the ladies and the marginalised community in China as well. 183 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:07,880 Speaker 1: So in an article written by lupin another Chinese feminist 184 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 1: activists talked about the impact of the Feminist Five and 185 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: even the aftermath and the conversations that have happened since. 186 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 1: She says, amidst the challenges, the Feminist Five have not 187 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,000 Speaker 1: scaled back their activism. On the contrary, I think the 188 00:10:20,040 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 1: most remarkable thing the last four years is that despite 189 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:26,640 Speaker 1: not receiving do compensation for their sacrifices they made, they 190 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: did not complain. Instead, they've been forward thinking from the 191 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: very beginning, being creative and exploratory as they seek ways 192 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: to continue their work, whether as individual activists, as freelancers, 193 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:39,800 Speaker 1: or even entrepreneurs. They have found ways to pair their 194 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: personal development with their social ideals. And I think it's 195 00:10:42,559 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: good to also mentioned there was a huge controversy at 196 00:10:45,640 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: one point in time because there was all these supposed 197 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: funds that was coming from NGOs around the world, but 198 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: China immediately set a law saying that they could not 199 00:10:54,160 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: receive money unless those NGOs were based in China, So 200 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 1: they have no support and no money um and this 201 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: accusation that they made money was absolutely false and probably 202 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 1: a smear campaign, And they have since then had no 203 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: money since their release, really struggling to make ends me 204 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:12,719 Speaker 1: and they kind of had this moment in one of 205 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,080 Speaker 1: the articles that they felt like they had to choose 206 00:11:15,120 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: money over activism, which is not necessarily true, but it's true. 207 00:11:17,600 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: They have to live, so they can't constantly be the 208 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: martyrs essentially UM for a cause that sometimes has a 209 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: lot of pushback UM and has them right now being 210 00:11:28,520 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: pretty surveilled and watched by the government. So there's a 211 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:33,679 Speaker 1: lot going on. A lot of these women have one 212 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: different awards, including being the one hundred Top Women of BBC. 213 00:11:38,160 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: You know, we love that award and we will continue 214 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: watch and see what is happening. Yes, and as always listeners, 215 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,200 Speaker 1: if you have any more information about the people were 216 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: covering or what's going on, we love hearing from you 217 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: about it and any suggestions you have for for people 218 00:11:55,200 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: we should cover in this segment or organizations were should cover, 219 00:11:58,120 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: you can email as the Steffi mom Stuff at I 220 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: right media dot com. 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