1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast, third hour of Playing Buck on this Friday, 3 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: January thirteen. WHOA that just sunk in? Did you realize that, Clay? Yeah, 4 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: I did, because I was paying attention to the some 5 00:00:19,320 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: of the memes that were coming out today of a 6 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,520 Speaker 1: Friday to her team, And I always like, it's always 7 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 1: a good excuse to think about horror movies in general. 8 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 1: And I'm always in the back of my head thinking 9 00:00:29,560 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: when are my boys old enough to start to get 10 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: to see some horror movies? Right, because you don't want 11 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:38,040 Speaker 1: him sleeping and unable to sleep, showing up, you know, 12 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, trying to climb into 13 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: bed with you, which happens if they watch them too young, 14 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: but you also don't want to leave them. Like the 15 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: Stranger Things debate was one we had in a big way. 16 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: So we got our friend Andy McCarthy with US now 17 00:00:50,880 --> 00:00:55,360 Speaker 1: of National Review. He's a Fox News contributor, Southern District 18 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: of New York federal prosecutor for over twenty years and 19 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: great to have you back. How are you guys, Happy 20 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: New Year, Happy New Year to you, sir. Great to 21 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 1: have you here, and let me just start with this, Andy. 22 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,440 Speaker 1: I mean, what the heck happened yesterday? How surprised were 23 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: you that Merrick Garland announced that there had been this 24 00:01:18,040 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 1: special council appointment looking at a Democrat. Well, I think 25 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:27,679 Speaker 1: book that he played politics with the appointment of a 26 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:32,120 Speaker 1: special counsel for Trump, which was completely unnecessary. The only 27 00:01:32,160 --> 00:01:38,040 Speaker 1: reason for doing there's nothing inherently conflicting about the Biden 28 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: Justice Department investigating Trump and the fig leaf that like 29 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:44,440 Speaker 1: the fact that he announced that he was a presidential 30 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:48,440 Speaker 1: candidate somehow changed things was ridiculous. But he did it 31 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: because he wanted to create some distance between himself and Biden. 32 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: But what looked at that point like the certainty that 33 00:01:56,040 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: Trump was going to be charged in connection with these 34 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: classified documents. But you know, he looked ridiculous doing it 35 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 1: because for two years he hadn't appointed one in what 36 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: they like to call the Hunter case, but what I 37 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: called the Biden investigation, which is what it ought to be. 38 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,400 Speaker 1: And then of course when this thing emerged, he really 39 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: didn't have any place to hide anymore. So I think 40 00:02:19,440 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: it's it's to this guy John Lausch's credit that he 41 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: looked at this thing in a preliminary way and said 42 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: and looked at the REGs and said, look, you know, 43 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: there's an obvious basis to believe a crime was committed here, 44 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: and there's a profound conflict of interest in the Biden 45 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: administration and the Biden Justice Department trying to investigate President Biden. 46 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: You know, we've had history where some people haven't made 47 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 1: that call, even when it was an easy call to make. 48 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:52,119 Speaker 1: So credit to Lash for making it, and I think 49 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:55,600 Speaker 1: Biden gets some credit for going along with it, but 50 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: I think it was really his hand was forced by 51 00:02:57,720 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: his own playing politics with Trump. Okay, so Andy, I 52 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: appreciate you coming on. You've been killing it on all 53 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: your analysis. Buck and I have basically, well what I 54 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: believe is going to happen is we have a little 55 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: bit of a disagreement about how exactly it'll go down. 56 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:15,040 Speaker 1: I think at some point in the summer Merritt Garland 57 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,839 Speaker 1: will come out and wag his finger and say, this 58 00:03:19,000 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: is probably crimes by both Trump and Biden. This is 59 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: evidence of how we need to take classified documents more seriously. 60 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: But I'm going to use the reasonable prosecutor standard. The 61 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:34,399 Speaker 1: complexities associated with privileged claims and everything else. And I'm 62 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 1: not going to bring criminal charges against eth either. That's 63 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 1: my prediction. Do you buy into it? Part one to 64 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 1: that idea? Part two? Do you buy into Biden basically 65 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 1: killed the classified document investigation of Trump by his own incompetence? 66 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: How would you assess where we are and where we're going? 67 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: So I don't think those things are mutually explosive. I 68 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: actually think they're both true. I agree with you in 69 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: a bottom line sense. I do think that what they'll 70 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:08,800 Speaker 1: ultimately say is that neither of them gets prosecuted. But 71 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 1: I think what Garland will do is not connect the 72 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: decision together because that'll look like it's a political calculation. 73 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,360 Speaker 1: So I think, Clay, that you're right that that's where 74 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: it ends up. But what I imagine he'll do is 75 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: he'll say that Biden's offense was easier to decide than 76 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 1: Trump's because the Trump's was so much more serious by degree, 77 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and he'll he'll cut Biden loose first, 78 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: He'll make Trump dangle for a while, and then ultimately 79 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: you know, they'll drop the Trump investigation too. Okay, building 80 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: on that, Buck and I were having this conversation you've 81 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: probably spent some time contemplating these These Special Council investigations 82 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: can expand. Right Obviously, we saw Whitewater for Bill Clinton 83 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: turn into in a f with Monica Lewinsky. We know 84 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:06,479 Speaker 1: that right now the Trump Special counsel is considering both 85 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: the classified documents and also simultaneously all the January sixth 86 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:17,679 Speaker 1: three related concerns. How would a special counsel handle two 87 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: divergent path cases. Can the special counsel in that case 88 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: come out and say, hey, here's I've resolved the classified 89 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:30,120 Speaker 1: documents investigation. Here's one half of what I'm doing. And 90 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 1: as a part of that bigger question, what happens if 91 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 1: this guy Robert her, who you may or may not 92 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,320 Speaker 1: be familiar with, I'm curious if you are. What if 93 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 1: he suddenly says, oh boy, this connects to the Ukraine 94 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 1: issue with Hunter Biden. This classified document case is not 95 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: just about documents in the garage beside the corvette. It's 96 00:05:49,400 --> 00:05:53,719 Speaker 1: actually about far larger issues. How do these things get resolved? 97 00:05:53,839 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: How would you contemplate them? Well, to begin with, I 98 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: don't know her. I think he's got a good reputation, 99 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 1: but I don't know him at all. I'm willing to obviously, 100 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,279 Speaker 1: like all of us, you know, let's see how he 101 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: performs as far as this plays out. I'm pretty cynical 102 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 1: about this, so I think it's very interesting that Garland 103 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: gave a wide mandate to the Trump Special Council, basically 104 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,000 Speaker 1: telling them, we're not going to interfere with you at all. 105 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: You have the January sixth case, you have the documents case, 106 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: and if anything else comes up along the way, you know, 107 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: have at it. And with Biden, from what I can detect, 108 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: it's a very narrow avenue of an investigation where he's 109 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 1: supposed to be confined to the classified documents, and presumably 110 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 1: he would have to if he stumbled on another crime 111 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 1: as he was investigating, he'd have to go back to 112 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: the Attorney General to get expanded authority. And the reason 113 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: I underscore my cynicism at this is there's also reporting 114 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 1: play in the last couple of days that they're probably 115 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: about to take a tax plea from Hunter Biden, which 116 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 1: would involve a couple of tax years. Uh. It's not 117 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: clear whether they'll throw in a false statement on the 118 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: Dune application, um, but I have a feeling that they're 119 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: going to say there's no reason to expand the authority 120 00:07:25,960 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: for the President Biden's special cancel because the Hunter Biden 121 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: case is a closed matter. You know, we took a 122 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: plea from him and that's done. So Andy, that's that's 123 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: what I think that they're going to close that one 124 00:07:36,240 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: pretty quickly, keep it very narrow, keep the Trump thing going, 125 00:07:39,520 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: and you know, and that's that's been my assessments as 126 00:07:42,720 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: of today. So I agree with you and all that, um. 127 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: But on the question of charges against Trump, is it 128 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 1: basically you know from what you're seeing here, because Clay 129 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: and I are both sensing to bring a document charge 130 00:07:55,840 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: against Trump, even an obstruction charge in relation to the 131 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: classified documents. I don't know if I don't know if 132 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: that dog will hunt right, I don't know if that's 133 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,680 Speaker 1: going to work. Does that mean that there's in your mind, 134 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: there's first of all, do you agree with that? And 135 00:08:08,960 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: then also do you think that that means that there's 136 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 1: unlikely to be any actual indictment of Trump? Do you 137 00:08:14,360 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: think they still might go for something? Yeah? I think 138 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: you know, Look, it's very important to the left that 139 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,760 Speaker 1: Trump get charged. And I you know, a week ago, 140 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: if you had asked me this I would have said, 141 00:08:24,400 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: on a scale of one to ten, it's an eleven 142 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: that he'll get charged on the Moral Lago documents. I 143 00:08:28,720 --> 00:08:31,480 Speaker 1: thought they were just waiting, you know, for an opportune 144 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: time to do it. Now I think the documents case 145 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: is blown up. But I think you guys have probably 146 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,920 Speaker 1: noticed this as much as I had. The Democrats rhetoric 147 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 1: in the last three days has become very interesting. Then 148 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: that's talking about document retention anymore. They're talking about obstruction 149 00:08:49,800 --> 00:08:52,400 Speaker 1: of the grand jury and subpoenas and all that. So 150 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: they're trying they're trying to change the Moral Lago investigation 151 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:02,199 Speaker 1: from the same conduct that Biden right now is in 152 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: the trick bag for and turn it into something different, like, 153 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,719 Speaker 1: you know, Trump is qualitatively different because he lied to 154 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: the grand jury, or he you know, he he flatted 155 00:09:12,520 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 1: the subpoena or whatever you want to say. I don't 156 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,800 Speaker 1: think for the reasons you just suggested, I don't think 157 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 1: that's going to work because in the public mind, that's 158 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: a classified documents case and that I don't think that's 159 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 1: going to change. So what I think is likely is 160 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:33,160 Speaker 1: they'll redouble the efforts to make a January sixth case which, 161 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 1: by the way, I think on its own would be 162 00:09:35,920 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 1: a travesty because the Justice Department's taken the position in 163 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 1: the nine hundred cases that it's that it's brought against 164 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: January six people that Trump is not involved actionably in 165 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,800 Speaker 1: the violence of that day. So the only way you 166 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:55,199 Speaker 1: can make an obstruction of Congress case on Trump is 167 00:09:55,240 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 1: if you criminalize John Eastman's legal theory. And I think 168 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: if you if we're going to go down the road 169 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,840 Speaker 1: of criminalizing a legal theory. When I was a prosecutor, 170 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:09,040 Speaker 1: you know, defense lawyers are very creative folks. I could 171 00:10:09,040 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 1: have indicted five people a day for frivolous legal theories. Um. 172 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: I just think that that would be an insane thing 173 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: for us to do it. I hope garland Is is 174 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: scared enough institutionally about the Justice Department that he won't 175 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: go down that road. But I do think if the 176 00:10:27,040 --> 00:10:30,679 Speaker 1: documents case is blown up, they're gonna they're gonna be 177 00:10:30,800 --> 00:10:33,000 Speaker 1: looking at January sixth again. And you know they have 178 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: all that pressure from the January sixth committee, right they 179 00:10:36,559 --> 00:10:39,720 Speaker 1: put all that the stuff out very theatrically again at 180 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: the end about like referring stuff to Congress and claiming 181 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: that he committed a bunch of selonies. And by the way, 182 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: by the way, Andy, I'm glad you brought that up 183 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,600 Speaker 1: about the legal you know, rationale that was floated out there, 184 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: remember in the omnibus, and it didn't get a lot 185 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: of attention, but they spent one point seven trillion dollars. 186 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 1: They also tried to clean up the legal loophole as 187 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:06,959 Speaker 1: it pertains to the arrival of the electoral votes. In 188 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 1: terms of what the vice president's role is. To me, 189 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: if I'm defending Trump, I'm saying, well, there has to 190 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:17,599 Speaker 1: be some ambiguity. If the United States Senate and the 191 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: House both said hey, let's clean up this mess so 192 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,719 Speaker 1: we don't create another January sixth, it may not be 193 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: a great legal argument, but there, as you well know, 194 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 1: lots of really bad legal arguments that are trotted out 195 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: there in defense. The fact that they tried to clean 196 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:34,559 Speaker 1: that up, I think is actually huge for Trump. And 197 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: I haven't seen anybody talk about it, but I wanted 198 00:11:36,640 --> 00:11:39,599 Speaker 1: to go back to this Independent Council. We're talking to 199 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: Annie McCarthy. You watch him on Fox News, former prosecutor. 200 00:11:42,640 --> 00:11:45,040 Speaker 1: He does an incredible job laying out a lot of 201 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: these details if they're going to go after him on 202 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:50,880 Speaker 1: January sixth, and I think you're right. That's what Buck 203 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:52,959 Speaker 1: and I have said that they now basically don't have 204 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: a really good route on the classified documents. What do 205 00:11:56,320 --> 00:12:00,200 Speaker 1: you think Merritt Garland's reaction was when he found out 206 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 1: that Joe Biden had his own classified documents scandal? Like 207 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 1: what you've been in the room, sometimes when you get 208 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:11,200 Speaker 1: information you don't want to get. On November November fourth, 209 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:15,480 Speaker 1: when suddenly Merrick Garland finds out, he thinks maybe he's 210 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 1: got a case to be made, not that difficult against 211 00:12:18,040 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 1: Trump on the classified docs, I bet, And suddenly Joe 212 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:25,200 Speaker 1: Biden just trips and falls all over himself right into 213 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,240 Speaker 1: this mess. What do you think his reaction was? Well, 214 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 1: you know, I go back to what did bar called 215 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: his memoir, one one damn thing after another, And yeah, 216 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 1: the upshot of it is that, like several times a day, 217 00:12:39,800 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 1: if you're the attorney general, what comes to you is 218 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,960 Speaker 1: like these things that just go like everything that could 219 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: conceivably goes wrong goes wrong. And the other thing is 220 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:54,800 Speaker 1: anyone who either knows of the career of Joe Biden 221 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:59,160 Speaker 1: or has spent any time around him. Can't be surprised 222 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: when some and like this happens. I mean, yeah, I 223 00:13:01,880 --> 00:13:04,360 Speaker 1: wrote about this yesterday. To me, this is just the 224 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: classified documents iteration of Biden's career, right, There's nothing if 225 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:14,719 Speaker 1: you followed, you know, the plagiarism and the inflation of 226 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 1: his resume, and the stupid things he says, and the 227 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: being wrong on every major security and foreign policy issue 228 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 1: for forty years. The one word that does not scream 229 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: out when you think about this career, this guy's career 230 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:32,839 Speaker 1: is careful. Right, So how surprised could we be that 231 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:35,480 Speaker 1: that something like this happened? And I actually think we 232 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: even have a pretty good theory for what happened here. 233 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: He wrote a memoir in twenty seventeen. Right, the first 234 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:46,839 Speaker 1: box that they say they discovered had information in it 235 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:51,679 Speaker 1: about Bo Biden, including the funeral, and a lot of 236 00:13:52,040 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: the classified documents apparently were part of his you know, 237 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:59,840 Speaker 1: pertain to his foreign policy portfolio and the Obama administration, says, Ukraine, 238 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: in Iran, in the UK, So what's the memoir about? 239 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: The memoir is about Bo Biden and his tragic death, 240 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 1: interspersed with Biden's foreign policy portfolio in the Obama administration. 241 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: So how how crazy would it be to imagine that 242 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: he was writing a memoir and he was using government 243 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: documents to try to, you know, get get his facts 244 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: in order. You know, it seems to me like there's 245 00:14:24,640 --> 00:14:27,320 Speaker 1: a pretty rational explanation for this. Now, they can't come 246 00:14:27,360 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 1: out and say that because Bennett means that he intentionally 247 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: knew that he had these documents in places he wasn't 248 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: supposed to have them. So their story, and this again 249 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: is probably based on Biden's background, is he's clueless and 250 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 1: he doesn't know why he has them, and it's like 251 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: the documents walked into his office and his garage and 252 00:14:47,160 --> 00:14:50,560 Speaker 1: every place else by themselves. If you've Garland and you've 253 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 1: been watching this guy and working closely with him for 254 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: a couple of years and you knew him, you know, 255 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: you know, Garland's been in politics, in the law at 256 00:14:59,320 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: least a long time. He was a high official in 257 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: the Clinton administration. I think Biden was on the Judiciary 258 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: committee when they put Garland on the on the court 259 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: m So you know he knows who Biden is. And 260 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: am I sure that when he first heard this, um, 261 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 1: he went, uh, yeah, I'm sure he did, But like, 262 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: how surprised can you be? Yes, that's what we've been saying. 263 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: I think this is people are thinking this is a 264 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,200 Speaker 1: big scheme Andy to get rid of Biden. I think 265 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: this is another Biden lightning strike of stupidity. I don't 266 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: think that. That to me seems like the more plausible place. 267 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: Do you think both of those things can't be true? Though? 268 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: I mean, well that's somebody had to drop a dime 269 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: on him, right. Well, see the ah, we're like, literally 270 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:46,320 Speaker 1: we got like no time Andy before we have to 271 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: go to heartbreak. But it's real quick. Why didn't they 272 00:15:48,200 --> 00:15:52,280 Speaker 1: just get rid of the documents right away? Yeah, it's 273 00:15:52,400 --> 00:15:56,240 Speaker 1: very intriguing. We need to find out how this got 274 00:15:56,280 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: reported to the FBI. I mean, it's just very strange. Yes, well, 275 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna focus in on that. We totally agree. Andy, 276 00:16:02,640 --> 00:16:05,480 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being with us. There. We 277 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: have a clay, a conspiracy and a lightning strike of stupidity. 278 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 1: Opportunistic if you will, in the whole situation. We'll return 279 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 1: to that. That's a fascinating point. And he made rising 280 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: inflation volve stock Mark, how are you gonna make money 281 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: next year with the money that you have. 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Okay, 307 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 1: So I want to build on this when we come back. 308 00:17:48,040 --> 00:17:50,600 Speaker 1: There's a lot of conspiracy theories out there. If the 309 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:54,560 Speaker 1: docs were that dangerous, why would they admit to any 310 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:58,320 Speaker 1: of them at all? Building on Buck's question, why not 311 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:02,359 Speaker 1: just destroy them? Right? Something's not adding up here. It 312 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 1: doesn't make a lot of sense trying to figure all 313 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: this out. We'll talk about it when we come back. 314 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,080 Speaker 1: Take your calls as well. 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M we I'm not a superstitious guy, Clay, 332 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:12,880 Speaker 1: so I don't get I don't get worried about these things. 333 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: A black cat ran across my pathway last night when 334 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 1: I was driving home, and you know, I'm not. I 335 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:21,360 Speaker 1: don't worry about that, so I don't. I don't get 336 00:19:21,400 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: into this stuff. So that's my story and I'm sticking 337 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 1: to it. Plus every year I get everyone sends me 338 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: the Friday the thirteenth. It comes from the nights templar, 339 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 1: or it comes from the there's always this, There are 340 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: all these different theories. I'm like, well, which is the 341 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 1: theory of where the Friday the thirteenth really comes from? 342 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:39,119 Speaker 1: That we're all supposed to live by. But as to 343 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,800 Speaker 1: your question about scary movies, I remember I watched. I 344 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:44,680 Speaker 1: would argue that bram Stoker's Dracula is one of the 345 00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:50,640 Speaker 1: if you add impact and entertaining to the equation, one 346 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: of the greatest novels written of well, I guess has 347 00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: written late nineteenth century, I think maybe very early twentieth century. 348 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: So the original bram Stokers tracks A. I saw the 349 00:20:00,920 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: Keanu Reeves version when I was a kid, and it's 350 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:05,240 Speaker 1: scared the crap out of me. It's pretty good. You 351 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:08,879 Speaker 1: never know which is pretty good. You never know is 352 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 1: gonna get a creepy opening. Do you remember how the 353 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: brom Stoker's Dracula opens? If I remember correctly, well, I 354 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,240 Speaker 1: saw it many times later on life. Yeah, it's very 355 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 1: The opening of that is very well done and really eerie. 356 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: So it's like people slowly descending on you know, they've 357 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: had like a spike run through them and they're like, 358 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: there's a it is a It is a pretty eerie movie. 359 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: So that's actually impalement, which was common practice. The actual 360 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 1: Dracula Vladdra Cool, who I did a history podcast on 361 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 1: if we're gonna talk history nerds stuff, the actual guy 362 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: engaged in mass impaling of his enemies. And this is 363 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: something he took from the Ottomans, because the basis of 364 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 1: the Dracula legend comes from this Wallachian noble, Vladra Cool. 365 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,399 Speaker 1: That's why there is a castle Dracula. You can go 366 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 1: visit it. And he grew up in the Ottoman court, 367 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 1: the court of the Ottoman and Sultan, learned their language, 368 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: their warfare, their ways, which included impalement as a punishment 369 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,960 Speaker 1: where they would hoist you up on a spear um 370 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 1: and it was very very bad. Yeah, I mean it's 371 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 1: a it's an unbelievable opening to to that movie. First 372 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: ever horror film, those Faratu. I think we brought this 373 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: up before German expressionism. Um No sound also pretty creepy. 374 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: If you want to go watch one of the first 375 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 1: ever history movies made on December thirteenth, or sorry, on 376 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: Friday the thirteenth, January thirteenth, I think you'd be able 377 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: to go find it. Buck. We were as we went 378 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,159 Speaker 1: to break there Bill, one of our VIPs encourage you 379 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: to send vip emails. Our producer Ali, you've got to 380 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: be a subscriber at ku dot com. So to subscribe, 381 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:48,679 Speaker 1: she goes through them, shares a lot of those with us. 382 00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: So here is. You know, Bill said, hey, they're covering 383 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: up a bigger story. And my response to Bill would 384 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:00,200 Speaker 1: be the worst way to cover up a big your 385 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:03,119 Speaker 1: story is to let us know that a story happened 386 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: at all. And think about it from a parenting perspective. 387 00:22:06,600 --> 00:22:10,920 Speaker 1: If your kids do something wrong, one of the ways 388 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,360 Speaker 1: you know something wrong happened is because you find out 389 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: a part of the story. Right, so and so's up 390 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: too late? Why is he up too late? Oh, I'm 391 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: not going to tell you about that. Well, I would 392 00:22:24,240 --> 00:22:25,920 Speaker 1: have never known about any of it if you hadn't 393 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 1: come and told me that somebody's not in bed like 394 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,800 Speaker 1: they were supposed to be. Right, So, saying hey, we 395 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: found some confidential documents in this office does not to 396 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: me help to cover up more confidential documents, right, It 397 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 1: just draws. It sets off the alarm bell and lets 398 00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:47,320 Speaker 1: me know that something improper is going on. So here 399 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,920 Speaker 1: is what has never made sense to me from the 400 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 1: very beginning. Buck and I'm curious about how you would 401 00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:56,760 Speaker 1: assess this. Why did they find the classified documents in 402 00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: the first place and make them public? I think what 403 00:23:01,960 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 1: we're not getting here. Okay, this all started, according to 404 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: the report, on November second, when they found these documents 405 00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:11,719 Speaker 1: inside of Biden's Washington, DC office, and they say, oh, 406 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:14,479 Speaker 1: we found these documents, and we notified the National Archives 407 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: that we had found them. I think it's actually reversed. 408 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:23,080 Speaker 1: I think someone at the National Archives was became aware 409 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 1: that something significant was missing from their archival archival record, 410 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 1: maybe because of the whole Trump shenanigans, and they contacted secretly, 411 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:40,960 Speaker 1: not by sending an email, not by sending a text message, 412 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: maybe face to face. Maybe it was an old school 413 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: phone conversation and they said to Joe Biden, we are 414 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 1: missing X. We think you have it. Maybe it was 415 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,879 Speaker 1: somebody at Obama, you know, and that's what started this 416 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,440 Speaker 1: whole process. So there has to be something here because 417 00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: you notice, even with Andy the we go back to 418 00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 1: motive here. If there is motive versus just in there's 419 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: clearly incompetence. And that was why Andy said, well what 420 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: about it being both? I think that's a very astute, 421 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:13,159 Speaker 1: very important point. Biden is incompetent. This is such an 422 00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: own goal. This is ridiculous. Remember with Trump, he was president, 423 00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: Biden was not president. He has no declassification authority. So 424 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:24,160 Speaker 1: when Trump says I was president, I declassified these, I'm 425 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,680 Speaker 1: keeping these. My lawyers are going to go back and 426 00:24:26,760 --> 00:24:29,600 Speaker 1: forth with you on this. That is an affirmative decision 427 00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: that he made that he had a right to these documents. Yes, 428 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,760 Speaker 1: that's very different than the Joe Biden situation, where he 429 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: has clearly no legal right to have retained these documents 430 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,600 Speaker 1: and just kept them by accident. That's what you know. 431 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,320 Speaker 1: That's the story as its ends right now. The motive 432 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:50,920 Speaker 1: issue comes in with is this a soft intro party 433 00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 1: coup from the machinery of the Democrat Party to push 434 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: Joe Biden aside for twenty twenty four. The reason that 435 00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,960 Speaker 1: we don't really have an answer to that right now, 436 00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 1: I think goes right to Laclay's raising, which is, look, 437 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: I worked with classified documents for years. I know all 438 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: kinds of stories about it. I worked with classified documents 439 00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: out in the field in war zones, people carrying them around, 440 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: and you know, it's very different when you're going from 441 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: foggy bottom to the White House or something. Right, when 442 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 1: you're actually out there, you're driving around, you've got stuff 443 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 1: like things happen. Point being, it's very easy to destroy 444 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: a piece of paper. Why is it that the people 445 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,840 Speaker 1: around Biden right, he didn't he send it? Isn't the 446 00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 1: story that his own attorneys were involved in supposedly? Yeah, 447 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,040 Speaker 1: this this is again I want all of you to 448 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 1: go back in time and not look at all the 449 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,400 Speaker 1: different moving parts, but just consider the story that we're 450 00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,160 Speaker 1: being told right now is that they were shutting down 451 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: this office, that they the Penn Bidenen Center or whatever, right, 452 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: Penn Biden Center office, that they were shutting down this office, 453 00:25:57,080 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: and that somebody affiliated with Joe Biden went into this office, 454 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:07,400 Speaker 1: found this Manila folder of some sort, opened it, saw 455 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: that there were classified documents in it, immediately closed that 456 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: folder and notified the National Archives that they had classified documents. Now, 457 00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: so then that brings us to this possibility that person 458 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:26,920 Speaker 1: either made the incredibly faithful decision to just be like, 459 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: oh gosh, I've got classified documents. I'd better tell everybody 460 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: who needs to know about this. That's possible. Yeah, or 461 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 1: to your point, Clay, that person was sent on a 462 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 1: mission to look for these in the possession because there 463 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,240 Speaker 1: was already some reason to believe that they were classified 464 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,639 Speaker 1: documents there, and then once they were found, it is 465 00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:51,840 Speaker 1: much less plausible that that person would because also that 466 00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: maybe they thought they're classified documents in other places, and 467 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,359 Speaker 1: you don't want to be caught destroying the documents if 468 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,600 Speaker 1: somebody already knows of their existence. Am I getting to 469 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: your this is what's that's my that's my process. You know, 470 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 1: when you're a trial attorney, you try to make the 471 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: most plausible story because it tends to be the most believable, right, 472 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 1: And so they are whoever found this? We don't know 473 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 1: who the person is who found and quotation marks these documents. 474 00:27:17,119 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 1: If you're opening the private papers of the current sitting 475 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,800 Speaker 1: president of the United States, when you are randomly moving 476 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,399 Speaker 1: out boxes and you happen to see classified documents and 477 00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: your first thought is I've got to report this to 478 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: the National Archives, you are creating an absolute mess for 479 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 1: your boss, right, the person that you work for. Most people, 480 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:45,600 Speaker 1: most people out there strive not to create messages for 481 00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: the people that they work for because they don't want 482 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 1: to get fired. So if this were somebody who is 483 00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: a huge Biden guy. I think they might well destroy 484 00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: those just personally, never say that they found them, not 485 00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: report it at all. I think what happened. The thing 486 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: that is most plausible to me is somebody inside the 487 00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 1: archives who is a Democrat, is a fan of Joe Biden, 488 00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 1: said Hey, I'm getting questions about X document that it's 489 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,200 Speaker 1: supposed to be here. Somebody asked for it. It's not here. 490 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,360 Speaker 1: I don't know where it is. Maybe you go to Obama, 491 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 1: maybe you go to Biden and say where is X document? 492 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:32,200 Speaker 1: And document at this point that's the you don't I 493 00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 1: don't expect you to have an answer. But that's the 494 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: part of this where I go because maybe it's significant 495 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: on a historical record, like I think one reason this 496 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: Trump story turned into the story that it did personally 497 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,960 Speaker 1: is because he kept the Kim Jongoon letters. And I 498 00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,880 Speaker 1: can see a historian being like, well, we want to 499 00:28:47,920 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 1: have a record of what the Kim Jongoon letters. Hey 500 00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,880 Speaker 1: check out this, and he's it's a personal letter that 501 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 1: he thinks belongs to him, not to the to the government. 502 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: I mean, this isn't obviously classified stuff. When I used 503 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: to work for Glenn Beck. I mean, it was amazing 504 00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: he could pull. You'd be hanging out, you'd be talking 505 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: about something to be like, hey, who wants to see 506 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 1: the original arrest Warren of the Salem witch trial of 507 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 1: sixty and twenty and just whoopam. You'd like pull it 508 00:29:13,800 --> 00:29:16,040 Speaker 1: out of his pocket? You know, well, who wants you know, 509 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: George Washington's first cousins pocket watchs like whoopam. He just 510 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 1: had these things, so you know, dude, he wanted a 511 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: little bit of Trump want a little bit of that 512 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: action with the Kim Jong letters? Oh yeah, I don't 513 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: doubt that at all. But it explains to me why 514 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:34,080 Speaker 1: you wouldn't. Just most people wouldn't immediately call the National Archives. 515 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 1: I don't think if they randomly came across a letter. 516 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:40,560 Speaker 1: You would only do it if you thought, oh, I'm 517 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: gonna get in real trouble. And the only way you 518 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:44,960 Speaker 1: get in real trouble is if there was some knowledge 519 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: that this was missing. 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That's preborn dot com 545 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: slash Buck sponsored by Preborn, Clay Travis and Buck Sexton 546 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:21,480 Speaker 1: on the front lines of truth. Welcome back in Clay 547 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,239 Speaker 1: Travis Buck Sexton show. Appreciate all of you hanging out 548 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: with us. UM, I'm gonna get you a couple of 549 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: your calls here a moment, want to hit you with this. 550 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 1: CDC just issued a new release saying that they are 551 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:42,360 Speaker 1: looking into strokes being caused potentially in older people buy 552 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: the new COVID booster shots. This is up on the 553 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:50,520 Speaker 1: official CDC website. And all I would say, Buck, is 554 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 1: this is just the tip of the iceberg when it 555 00:31:54,920 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: comes to the impact of these COVID shots. The fact 556 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:03,680 Speaker 1: that the CDC is now publicly on Friday afternoon releasing 557 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:08,080 Speaker 1: the fact that they have begun an investigation into these 558 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: new COVID booster shots for people over the age of 559 00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: sixty five and whether they may increase your risk of 560 00:32:15,040 --> 00:32:22,959 Speaker 1: stroke is again a bad time if you were if 561 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,720 Speaker 1: you were to have somebody who just showed up now 562 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: and you told them that, hey, we did the biggest 563 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: mass vaccination campaign in the history of the planet based 564 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: on a entirely not just new vaccine, a new technology 565 00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:40,680 Speaker 1: that's not even really a vaccine in the traditional sense. 566 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,480 Speaker 1: We had a new technology that we ruled out. We 567 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,640 Speaker 1: couldn't do even a year's worth of trials and data 568 00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:50,560 Speaker 1: because they did it all in a year. They would. 569 00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:52,360 Speaker 1: And then you said, and I think there may be 570 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 1: some problems that have come from that. They would say 571 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: to you, of course there are, right, But all of 572 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: a sudden, not even just the history of medicine, but 573 00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: logic and reason itself was to be suspended. While we 574 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: were all told shut up, get shot number five and 575 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 1: triple mask. A billion people or some such got these 576 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,200 Speaker 1: shots tested on them in real time with virtually no 577 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 1: data beyond whatever it was ten months of what the 578 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: long range impact of these things were going to be. 579 00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,800 Speaker 1: And you know, we're talking about mr Anda technology. I mean, 580 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 1: you go back, which is absolutely brand new and had 581 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: never been used before. You know, vaccines, while they did 582 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 1: amazing things, and smallpox, for example, in the eradication of 583 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: smallpox in the twentieth century was one of the great 584 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 1: human health advances really in all history, but the basics 585 00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: of that clay. They were doing this back in the 586 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: days of the Founders in a late eighteenth century. They 587 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: would find somebody who had a mild case of smallpox, 588 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: they would scrape one of the pustules, and they would 589 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,880 Speaker 1: put it, I think with a thread under the skin 590 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: of another individual to create a sort of very early 591 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 1: stage inoculation. So didn't that come from didn't it come 592 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: from cows? Actually, wasn't a cowpox. They found out that 593 00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:13,560 Speaker 1: the maids who were milking did not get smallpox in 594 00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: a serious way, and so they cow pox. I think 595 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: I'm correcting this one of the I think cow pox 596 00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: was a milder version that initially started in cows. They 597 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: found out that the maids who would milk cows had 598 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:30,040 Speaker 1: a much lower rate of smallpox infestation, and I think 599 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:35,200 Speaker 1: that's where the idea of smallpox inoculation came from. Was 600 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 1: they started off by giving the cow pox innocul claim. 601 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: I mean, if you've seen, for example, the John Adams 602 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,759 Speaker 1: series on HBO, yeah, he does. He gives the He 603 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 1: scrapes a postule and puts it and so that we're 604 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,239 Speaker 1: you know, we're talking like seventeen eighties. Oh yeah, I 605 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:53,840 Speaker 1: mean they were doing I think they started this in 606 00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,560 Speaker 1: the sixteen hundreds with the cow po with the cow pox. 607 00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,000 Speaker 1: If I remember, we'll clear it up for you on Monday. 608 00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 1: I don't want to claim to be an expert on 609 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,800 Speaker 1: how smallpox vaccination came to be. Hawpox served as a 610 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: natural vaccine until the modern smallpox vaccine emerged in the 611 00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,760 Speaker 1: twentieth century. Okay, so it came out of cow pox. 612 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:17,879 Speaker 1: I wanted to get this call Tom the Trucker, Oak Creek, Wisconsin. 613 00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: What you got for us to close out the week? 614 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,879 Speaker 1: I got a problem with you, mister Travis. Oh um. 615 00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: I also am a fan of the Brown Sugar dinosaur 616 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:34,879 Speaker 1: egg oatmeal. I have two packages every day, and because 617 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 1: you said something yesterday, I have two packages left. And 618 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: I just went through my grocery list and tried to 619 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,440 Speaker 1: go online to order it. Every grocery store around me 620 00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,400 Speaker 1: is out of it. I don't even tell my doctor 621 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:52,439 Speaker 1: what I have for bractice and you twenty fifty million people, man, 622 00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,840 Speaker 1: I want to first of all, the dinosaur oatmeal people. 623 00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 1: Puck should spend every dollar in marketing they have with 624 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,759 Speaker 1: this show for the rest of their lives because we 625 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:07,120 Speaker 1: probably sold more dinosaur oatmeal than had they've ever sold 626 00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: based on anything. And now I'm gonna you know, I'm 627 00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:12,080 Speaker 1: hearing it from my wife that we're not gonna be 628 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,680 Speaker 1: able to get it from my own kids. Got truck 629 00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,759 Speaker 1: drivers in Wisconsin. You can't find this stuff anywhere. So yes, 630 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 1: we're combining two things here. Smallpox the first effort first vaccination. 631 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:28,160 Speaker 1: Seventeen ninety six, English doctor Edward Jenner noticed milkmaids who 632 00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,799 Speaker 1: have gotten a cow pox were protected from smallpox. So yes, 633 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,399 Speaker 1: I guess it was early eighteen hundreds that Adams would 634 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,680 Speaker 1: have like eighteen o two that he were around there, 635 00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,719 Speaker 1: so that was initially how they were using it to 636 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:44,080 Speaker 1: protect people. But then Jenner took material from a cowpox 637 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: sor I'm trying to do this very fast. We got 638 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: fifteen seconds, and yeah, that's pretty much it. That's how 639 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:54,640 Speaker 1: they got it going their milkmaids involved. It's so old 640 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,160 Speaker 1: that they got it from milkmaids, a lot different than 641 00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 1: mRNA Mess. We'll talk about it more on Monday. Thanks 642 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:07,400 Speaker 1: for hanging with us, Fleet Travis and Buck Sexton on 643 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,440 Speaker 1: the front lines of truth