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Speaker 1: Novel. Before we begin, a content warning the following episode

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Speaker 1: contains difficult themes and violence.

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Speaker 2: The young and able lawyer Thomas E. Dewey appointed special

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Speaker 2: prosecutor to clean out the city's racketeers.

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Speaker 3: That's the Dowey.

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Speaker 4: You have been given the most difficult task, but the

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Speaker 4: opportunity of helping the people of this city.

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Speaker 1: In the late thirties, the Republican Party produces a promotional film.

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Speaker 1: It opens on a man, dark slick hair and a

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Speaker 1: carefully groomed and distinct mustache, talks into a heavy telephone.

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Speaker 1: According to the no nonsense voiceover, this is Thomas E.

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Speaker 5: Dewey.

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Speaker 1: An office full of workers at their desks enters frame

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Speaker 1: arranged in neat lines like a classroom. They're all white

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Speaker 1: men in suits, their hair shiny with palmade. They're busy

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Speaker 1: going through paperwork, hard at their respective tasks for the day.

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Speaker 2: Dewey's small, hand picked staff began its attack on the

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Speaker 2: underworld by perroting out secret records and getting the frightened

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Speaker 1: The back of a witness's head appears.

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Speaker 4: The man at the next is the man who hit

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Speaker 4: my husband on the head with a pipe. The man

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Speaker 4: me and cut my hands off.

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Speaker 1: This film is a re enactment of Dewey's investigation into

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Speaker 1: organized crime. Watching these films, you clearly see Dewey as

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Speaker 1: a man dedicated to showmanship, a man already deeply enamored

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Speaker 1: with the creation of his own legacy. Unfortunately, Dewey's hypnotizing

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Speaker 1: baritone can't cover his stilted acting.

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Speaker 6: The cops who did that job work day.

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Speaker 5: And night for a year.

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Speaker 7: They're entitled to a promotion, and I think they ought

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's a good thing he went into.

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Speaker 2: Law a mistakenly accumulating evidence. Dewey and his men, working

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Speaker 2: with city police, begin building up that cases.

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Speaker 1: Only it wasn't just Dewey and his men responsible for

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Speaker 1: the investigation. There was one person, one woman in particular,

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Speaker 1: who was really the mastermind. And for just a moment

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Speaker 1: so quick you may not even notice, I see her.

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Speaker 1: While Dewey holds court, face always clear. She sits at

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Speaker 1: a table with her back to the camera. Eunice hunting

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Speaker 1: Carter Good is a seat at the table when no

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Speaker 1: one acknowledges that you built the table from the teams

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Speaker 1: at iHeartRadio and novel. I'm Nicole Perkins and this is

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Speaker 1: the Godmother Episode five, Up all night to get Lucky.

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Speaker 1: The daytime commute to the Woolworth Building must look familiar

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Speaker 1: but strange to Unis. She's used to arriving there in

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Speaker 1: the evening for her law school studies, but now she's

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Speaker 1: walking into the elevators during the bustle of the day,

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Speaker 7: When you just got off the elevator, I think she

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Speaker 7: would have seen a buzz of activity, but it was

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Speaker 7: pretty low key. There was this air of secrecy about it.

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Speaker 7: I mean there had to be. Dewey did not want

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Speaker 7: people to know where they were what they were doing.

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Speaker 1: From the plain closed police officers patrolling the building's lobby

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Speaker 1: blinds keep people from spying. It's October nineteen thirty five

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Speaker 1: and a special prosecution is underway. Dewey has a hand

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Speaker 1: picked team of twenty attorneys plus investigators clerks, assistants, stenographers,

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Speaker 1: Eunice hunting Carter. As Unice walks toward her desk that day,

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Speaker 1: appointment to Dewey's team arrived with whispers that it was

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Speaker 1: her connection to Harlem that earned her spot, and not

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Speaker 1: her skills or experience. In other words, what she hired

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Speaker 1: just because she's black. Maybe those whispers helped motivate her,

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Speaker 1: and there's nothing wrong with using her Harlem background to

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Speaker 8: There were a lot of people in Harlem who were like, no,

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Speaker 8: I'm not going to talk to Thomas Dewey and his

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Speaker 8: other nineteen white male prosecutors about this. Like I'm fine,

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Speaker 8: we can handle this in our own community.

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Speaker 1: Access to that community is crucial to Dewey in these

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Speaker 1: first few months of his team's investigation, because they are

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Speaker 1: targeting the numbers racket and at its head the wild,

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Speaker 1: reckless mobster associate of Lucky Luciano's Dutch Schultz.

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Speaker 8: Who would come in and take in control of the

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Speaker 8: Harlem numbers racket. Essentially strong armed a number of black

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Speaker 1: Dutch is still battling with numbers running Queen Stephanie Saint Clair.

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Speaker 1: Dutch is a figurehead of Dewey's crusade against organized crime.

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Speaker 1: His plan use one high profile mobster as the focus,

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Speaker 1: so Dutch creates his own plan.

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Speaker 3: Hey, we need to kill Tomus Dewey.

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Speaker 1: But someone unexpected as watching Dewey's back.

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Speaker 3: Dutch Schultz went to Lucky Luciano and said, hey, we

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Speaker 1: And Lucky gives Dutch a response that will alter the

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Speaker 3: Lucky Luciano said, no, we will not kill do it

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Speaker 3: because if we do that, then they'll really be after us.

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Speaker 3: Dutch Schultz did not listen. He hired a hitman.

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Speaker 1: One morning, October twenty fourth, nineteen thirty five, As Eunice

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Speaker 1: more urgent and NonStop than ever before. There is a

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Speaker 1: shocking development in the mob world.

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Speaker 9: Unfortunately for dut Schultzer was Dutch Schultz who got assassinated.

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Speaker 10: Schultz's death was a huge blow for Dewey, Eunice and

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Speaker 10: Dewey's investigation into Dutch Schultz has hit a sudden dead end.

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Speaker 11: Literally difficult to imagine just how much of a like,

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Speaker 1: Dewey needs a new public enemy number one, and it

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Speaker 1: has to be someone even more high profile than Dutch.

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Speaker 1: Because Dewey has wasted a lot of time and money

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Speaker 1: on the Dutch false start. He needs results and soon.

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Speaker 1: There is, of course, only one person who really fits

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Speaker 12: The new unofficial boss of bosses.

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Speaker 1: There is a new muck shot from that heroin in

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Speaker 1: a hat box drug dealing charge a few decades ago

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Speaker 1: that Dewey pens on the courtboard in that fourteenth floor office.

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Speaker 13: Dewey coughed out a prosecution against Charles Lucky Luciano. That

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Speaker 13: would garner a great deal of publicity, even in a

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Speaker 1: Like New York. But what about Eunice, a rookie prosecutor

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Speaker 1: who's been selected for her a special knowledge about Harlem

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Speaker 1: and Dutch Schultz. What does she bring to the table now?

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Speaker 8: Thomas Dewey needs to figure out something to do with her.

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Speaker 8: He puts her on sort of this dead end project, a.

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Speaker 1: Beat no one particularly wants.

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Speaker 8: Carter is primarily tasked with talking to every member of

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Speaker 1: And it turns out one thing New Yorkers want to

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Speaker 8: It's really easy to say this is sexism or this

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Speaker 8: they needed a woman to talk to people average regular

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Speaker 8: complaining about disorderly houses, as they're often referred to at

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Speaker 8: the time period. I do think that Dewey respected her

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Speaker 8: enough to know, Hey, you know this stuff, Let's see

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Speaker 8: if you can make anything out of it. And she did.

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Speaker 1: During the fall and into winter of nineteen thirty five,

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Speaker 1: Unice is listening to these complaints and the resultant paperwork,

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Speaker 1: supposed to be gruntwork for unis, something to keep her

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Speaker 1: sex workers themselves. The info coming in is almost overwhelming.

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Speaker 1: New York's sex work industry is thriving. Units needs to

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Speaker 1: receiving something crucial. She just hasn't quite put the jigsaw

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Speaker 1: puzzle together yet. But Unice doesn't mind having so many small,

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Speaker 8: She hears about Louis Wiener. Everyone pretty much knew this

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Speaker 8: guy was a booker for the Brothels.

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Speaker 1: Eunice recognizes this name from her time at the Women's Court.

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Speaker 1: Other familiar names keep appearing.

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Speaker 8: People talk about Abe carp who is one of these

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Speaker 1: This is a lawyer whose name appeared to be all

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Speaker 8: Carter starts piecing together all this information in.

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Speaker 5: The women's courts where they prosecute prostitution cases, Eunice Carter

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Speaker 1: Uni suspects. She's onto something, but she needs more proof.

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Speaker 7: Her Forte was going through documents and patient so when

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Speaker 7: many of the cases involved prostitution, and so she's going

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Speaker 8: She's also reading through her old caseload when she was

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Speaker 8: many times certain names come up, how many times certain

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Speaker 8: exact same monetary figures being discussed.

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Speaker 7: She just starts every once in a while finding the

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Speaker 7: name of an attorney that isn't expensive attorney. There's two

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Speaker 7: she must have gotten to the point where she's thinking,

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Speaker 7: there's no way these prostitutes could afford these attorneys. She

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Speaker 7: brings this up to another person on the team, What

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Speaker 7: do you think of this? I think she was thinking,

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Speaker 7: am I crazy? What do you think of this? And

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Speaker 7: the other person on the team said, no, there's got

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Speaker 7: to be something here.

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Speaker 1: Unice keeps listening to the citizen complaints as they roll in.

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Speaker 1: She keeps squinting through chicken scratch and blurring ink. Everything

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Speaker 1: was handwritten or types on a typewriter then no pocket

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Speaker 1: sized devices with screens you can double tap to zoom in.

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Speaker 1: Unice is probably way down with file folders of complaints, pens,

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Speaker 1: writing pads, copies of court documents. I wonder if she

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Speaker 1: sometimes carries any of her work home before stopping at

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Speaker 1: the disreputable houses she's cross referencing in all her paperwork.

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Speaker 7: Painstaking, painstaking work.

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Speaker 1: But slowly the beginnings of a promising case have begun

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Speaker 5: She brought that suspicion to Thomas Dewey and said, this

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Speaker 1: She probably knows every response Dewey's team could use to

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Speaker 9: We're not going to charge you with murder, even though

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Speaker 9: Luciano murdered a lot of people, not even tax evasion.

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Speaker 9: We don't have the numbers, but we can go after prostitution.

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Speaker 5: Dewey was initially very skeptical.

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Speaker 8: Forget it.

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Speaker 1: Eunice does not forget it. This is not the first

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Speaker 1: Ambition doesn't believe in rejection. That's just a detour. Eunice

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Speaker 7: She goes back to her friend on the team and said,

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Speaker 7: there's got to be something here. I just think there is.

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Speaker 1: Murray Gerfine is one of Yunus's colleagues. Maybe he's a

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Speaker 1: what it's like to have to prove himself constantly, and

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Speaker 1: one man to get Dewey to listen to her. Two outsiders,

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Speaker 7: The two of them persuaded Dewey. I mean, they had

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Speaker 7: to go back to Dewey a couple times, and Dewey

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Speaker 1: But Dewey wants even more evidence, because even if sex

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Speaker 1: tie it to their specific high profile investigation. Well, Eunice

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Speaker 8: She gets his permission to start wire tapping to piece

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Speaker 8: together who these people are, what they know, who works

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Speaker 1: At the top.

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Speaker 5: Because Luciano, unlike those more high profile flamboyant Irish and

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Speaker 1: But this isn't a case of tapping a few phones

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Speaker 1: of a few gangsters. This is going to require extensive

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Speaker 1: wire tapping, and in nineteen thirties New York that means

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Speaker 8: Dewey ordered Eunice Carter and another man on the team,

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Speaker 8: Murray Gurfind to essentially create a list of dozens of

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Speaker 1: Then they have to physically get hardware onto all these

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Speaker 1: people's phone lines across New York. Sometimes detectives pay or

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Speaker 1: ones with Mike's already installed.

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Speaker 8: They wiretapped incredibly liberally.

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Speaker 1: They kick off by wiretapping the bookers and bondsman's offices

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Speaker 8: Wire tapping laws in the nineteen twenties and thirties were

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Speaker 8: York wiretapping laws are a lot looser than in most

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Speaker 8: of connections through these telephone conversations, thousands of hours of

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Speaker 8: wiretaps that Unice Carter and the rest of the team

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Speaker 1: And as they do, Unice and the team discover more

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Speaker 1: evidence that unice is suspicions might be correct.

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Speaker 5: New York prostitution was in the process of being organized

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Speaker 5: by organized crime.

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Speaker 1: They're able to tie sex work to the.

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Speaker 5: Mob one man named Little Baby Pattillo and one man

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Speaker 1: You might recognize that last name as one of the

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Speaker 1: Mott Street Boys.

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Speaker 5: The suspicion was Little Davy and Tommy the Bull were

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Speaker 5: working for Lucky Luciano, that there was a sole cadrey

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Speaker 5: of middlemen who were running prostitution and victimizing the prostitutes

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Speaker 5: and the madams in New York City.

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Speaker 1: Unis may have felt like they were right on the

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Speaker 1: edge of the big breakthrough. Here are direct links to

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Speaker 1: the team's big target, Lucky Luciano.

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Speaker 9: What she realized is that the gangsters were very vulnerable

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Speaker 9: on this. Not only was prostitution illegal, but the whole

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Speaker 9: story of prostitution was fairly brutal and it had such

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Speaker 8: After months of building all of this up, they finally

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Speaker 8: talk Dewey into a raid.

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Speaker 1: The team begins planning in operation that will go down

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Speaker 1: in history. This isn't going to be the usual kind

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Speaker 1: of raid cops running into a single location and arresting

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Speaker 1: a handful of people. No, this is something much bigger.

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Speaker 8: There's so much going on. It is madness. It is chaos.

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Speaker 1: On the night of February first, nineteen thirty six, Eunice

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Speaker 1: Carter arrives yet again on the fourteenth floor of the

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Speaker 1: Woolworth Building. She may have been used to all the

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Speaker 1: commotion on the floor, but nothing could prepare her for

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Speaker 8: Literally, there would have been people just all over floors, benches,

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Speaker 8: private rooms, not private rooms, everyone just sort of working feverishly.

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Speaker 8: No one's got a laptop. In nineteen thirty six, twenty

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Speaker 8: stenographers are working around the clock with their giant legal

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Speaker 8: people who've brought their typewriters in with them, feverishly taking

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Speaker 8: notes of their statements through the night and the early morning.

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Speaker 8: Keep in mind that this is February in New York,

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Speaker 8: so it is snowy and disgusting and wet, and people

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Speaker 8: are freezing cold. You've got cops in uniform, You've got

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Speaker 8: plain clothes who were prepared to act as John's. There's

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Speaker 8: so much going on. It is madness.

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Speaker 1: It is chaos for once. The office is also full

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Speaker 1: of other women, eighty eight of them in total, most

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Speaker 1: of them sex work madams.

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Speaker 8: And many of these women have been arrested in the

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Speaker 8: middle of a transaction, and so some of them are

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Speaker 8: wearing coats, and some of them are not wearing coats,

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Speaker 8: and some of them have on thousand dollars furs.

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Speaker 1: As Eunice stands in that room, absorbing the chaos, I

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Speaker 1: wonder if she can tell that this case will be

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Speaker 1: the one she'd be remembered for. I wonder if she

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Speaker 1: felt proud of herself, if she thought she'd finally be

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Speaker 1: recognized for her hard work. All of that night's madness

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Speaker 1: starts at precisely eight fifty five PM.

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Speaker 8: This is coordinated to the minute.

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Speaker 1: One hundred and sixty plain clothes policemen from across New

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Speaker 1: York gathered together in Manhattan. The cops are divided so

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Speaker 1: that they're working with colleagues they've never worked with before.

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Speaker 13: One would be on West fifty seventh Street, one would

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Speaker 13: be on each It's thirty six. I mean they would

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Speaker 1: They're split into teams of two and three. Each team

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Speaker 1: is given an envelope.

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Speaker 5: With their dress audit, and exactly five minutes of nine,

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Speaker 5: they all opened their envelopes and read the instructions inside.

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Speaker 1: These instructions dispatch the cops to top secret locations across

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Speaker 1: the city, like something out of a modern day reality

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Speaker 1: game show. None of them know what they're getting into

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Speaker 1: until they open the envelope.

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Speaker 5: The instructions said, go to this address and arrest everybody

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Speaker 5: inside and bring them to the Woolworth Building.

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Speaker 1: The police look at each other. This is clearly an

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Speaker 1: operation like no other.

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Speaker 8: They want to make sure that when they are arresting,

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Speaker 8: they are not just taking women out of brothels. They

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Speaker 1: At nine pm, cops set off. Once they reach their locations,

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Speaker 1: they start kicking down doors as they pour up stoops

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Speaker 8: Best we can tell, they do wind up arresting about

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Speaker 8: one hundred and ten people. Those individuals are later detained.

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Speaker 8: The other like twenty or so are mostly John's. They

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Speaker 8: them get to Luciano, so they let them go.

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Speaker 13: Eighty eight arrests all together. It was a pretty wild night,

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Speaker 1: And now back at the Woolworth Building, as Eunice and

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Speaker 1: Dewey survey the scene before them, they're already contemplating the

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Speaker 1: next mammoth task ahead.

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Speaker 5: The idea was they were going to arrest the madams

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Speaker 5: and the prostitutes and hold them as material witnesses and

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Speaker 5: force them to give testimony against the middle management types

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Speaker 5: Patio and Pinocchio, and ultimately force them to flip and

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Speaker 5: implicate Lucky. Luciana was the head of prostitution in New York.

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Speaker 1: Getting sex workers to snitch is no small feat because

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Speaker 1: they've become used to a specific type of mob protection

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Speaker 5: The women were used to being arrested. They all had

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Speaker 5: been arrested dozens of times, so they assumed it was

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Speaker 5: business as usual. They weren't going to cooperate. They wouldn't

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Speaker 5: give their real names. They were blowing the prosecutors off.

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Speaker 1: A fair chunk of their earnings goes to the Mob

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Speaker 1: for occasions just like this. That had been the promise

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Speaker 1: of the mob's move into sex work. You pay us,

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Speaker 1: we'll protect you, will bail you out, We'll set you

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Speaker 1: up with some of the best representation the justice system

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Speaker 1: has to offer. The women wait and wait and wait.

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Speaker 1: No one seems to be coming.

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Speaker 5: The men who normally got them out were no longer there,

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Speaker 5: and they realized, oh, something difference going on.

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Speaker 1: That's because the night before there had been another round

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Speaker 1: of secret.

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Speaker 5: Arrests sixteen men on January thirty first, nineteen thirty six.

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Speaker 1: The operation had been very discreet, and now as minutes

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Speaker 1: bookers and lawyers who usually come to bail out the

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Speaker 1: women are a no show, and the women realize nobody

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Speaker 1: is coming to help this time. So a new chapter

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Speaker 1: of Unice's work begins, because now she and the rest

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Speaker 1: of Dewey's team have to figure out how much these

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Speaker 8: The prostitution racket is so tricky because there's women who

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Speaker 8: Maybe they have a relationship with Luciano, but maybe they

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Speaker 1: The longer it takes to get their ducks in a row,

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Speaker 8: People like Unice Carter start personally interviewing these women almost immediately.

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Speaker 8: She is working around the clock.

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Speaker 1: Those in custody don't get any sleep that night either,

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Speaker 1: which may have been a deliberate ploy.

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Speaker 8: They were doing everything they can to just get as

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Speaker 1: Intentional sleep deprivation is recognized as a form of torture today.

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Speaker 1: Unis probably justifies this part of the operation as for

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Speaker 1: Could she have done anything about it anyway once the

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Speaker 1: ball was rolling In the end, these considerations don't matter

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Speaker 1: because none of the sex workers talk.

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Speaker 5: So what happened was do we called a special judge

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Speaker 5: to come down to the Woolworth Building on Sunday and

440
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Speaker 5: he arranged all eighty seven prostitutes and madams as material

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Speaker 5: witnesses on bonds ranging from ten thousand dollars to twenty

442
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Speaker 5: five thousand dollars and today's dollars, ten thousand dollars is

443
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 5: like one hundred and eighty thousand dollars. Okay, no way

444
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Speaker 5: these women could have come up with what amounts to

445
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Speaker 5: one hundred and eighty thousand dollars each to get out

446
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Speaker 5: of jail. So basically, do we put these women in

447
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 5: jail on a bomb they could never meet and held

448
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Speaker 5: them in communicado in the women's house of detention.

449
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Speaker 1: For months, for months without conviction are even a try.

450
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Speaker 1: After the raids on the brothels, as the days stretch

451
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Speaker 1: into weeks and into months, Unice essentially starts working her

452
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Speaker 1: way into the minds of these women. She's now at

453
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Speaker 1: the center of the investigation, talking constantly to the women

454
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Speaker 1: and eventually establishing relationships with them. Some of these women

455
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Speaker 1: become cooperating witnesses.

456
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Speaker 12: She knew how smart women could be.

457
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Speaker 6: She knew how much knowledge of their own that they

458
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Speaker 6: had that other people wouldn't have, and that is really

459
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Speaker 6: what made her so valuable both to starting the investigation

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Speaker 6: and continuing the investigation.

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Speaker 1: Unice knows from firsthand experience how often women are overlooked

462
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Speaker 1: in rooms with men, how men will talk and share

463
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Speaker 1: secrets as if women are just pieces of furniture, and

464
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Speaker 1: yet she's exploiting that knowledge for her boss, a man

465
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Speaker 1: who wouldn't take her seriously until she had another man

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Speaker 1: to back up all the horror work she'd put into

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Speaker 1: this case.

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Speaker 13: Many of the women were in pretty bad shape when

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Speaker 13: they were picked up. A lot of these girls were

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Speaker 13: drug addicts.

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Speaker 8: Certainly, in the first three or four hours, this is

472
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Speaker 8: less of a concern.

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Speaker 1: But as those hours stretch into day's the withdrawal symptoms

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Speaker 1: become agonizing.

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Speaker 12: They were strung out, they were addicts.

476
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Speaker 13: They would have to suffer a cold turkey cure on

477
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Speaker 13: the floor of a jail cell.

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Speaker 12: They held that over their heads.

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Speaker 13: All right, you want a hospital, sweetheart, or you want

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Speaker 13: a jail cell.

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Speaker 12: Which is it.

482
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Speaker 13: If you want a hospital, we can do that for you,

483
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Speaker 13: but you got to talk.

484
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: Finally, the women start telling Yunis what she wants to hear,

485
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Speaker 1: including a very specific name.

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Speaker 12: So now it was.

487
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 13: Time to find out how many times they had heard

488
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Speaker 13: Charlie Lucky referred.

489
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Speaker 12: To in conversation. That was what they built their casaw.

490
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Speaker 13: So while these revelations were being recorded, a case was

491
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Speaker 13: being built against Charles Lucky Luciano.

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Speaker 1: But if Eunice and Dewey think they'll be seeing Lucky

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Speaker 1: in handcuffs anytime soon. They're out of luck. Lucky is

494
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Speaker 1: nowhere to be found. The train from New York to

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Speaker 1: Hot Springs, Arkansas, takes thirty five hours at a minimum.

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Speaker 1: As you arrive in town, one of the first things

497
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Speaker 1: you notice, despite the lingering hold of winter nineteen thirty six,

498
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Speaker 1: it's just how many people there are out in the streets.

499
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Speaker 14: Just packed with people, constantly packed with people year round.

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Speaker 14: You'd walk from the train station, which is about four

501
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Speaker 14: blocks from here to the National Park, and you'd walk

502
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Speaker 14: down Central Avenue, where there were twenty two hotels, a

503
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Speaker 14: lot of casinos. All the bath houses are open, either

504
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 14: doing baths or as bed and breakfasts. There's a brewery

505
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Speaker 14: where they brew beer from the thermal water. Even during prohibition,

506
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Speaker 14: because we had a hell of a moonshine industry.

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Speaker 1: Here, this small town is booming.

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Speaker 14: The New York Times called it America's first resort because

509
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Speaker 14: people could come here. They could fish, they could swim,

510
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Speaker 14: they could hike and drink, they could gamble. Prostitution industry

511
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 14: grew here. It was a man's world back then.

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Speaker 1: In nineteen thirty six. Hot Springs, Arkansas is a must

513
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Speaker 1: see destination for a particular type of traveler.

514
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Speaker 14: One hundred thousand people coming here to take bats. That

515
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Speaker 14: was really the main attraction, even for the mob to

516
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Speaker 14: begin with.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Hot Springs isn't just a spa town. It's

518
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Speaker 1: a mafia town.

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Speaker 13: There were a lot of underworld characters that were cooling

520
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Speaker 13: off in Hot Springs.

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Speaker 1: What a brochure slogan that is. They're everywhere in the bars, brothels,

522
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: and casinos or just casually strolling down main Street and

523
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: their unmistakable wide pinstripes and double lapels. But the people

524
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Speaker 1: of Hot Springs don't seem to mind them.

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Speaker 14: If you need to take somemar and r off of

526
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Speaker 14: what you've been doing and you don't want to get

527
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,680
Speaker 14: killed doing it, you come to Hot Springs. Nobody bothered them.

528
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 14: Everybody talked to them. Hey, you're lucky at Luciano, how

529
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 14: are you? I mean, they were gentlemen, they were dressed nice,

530
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Speaker 14: they had a lot of money, they were super polite,

531
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Speaker 14: big tippers. You know, who's going to start trouble with

532
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Speaker 14: the mob? You know in the middle of Hot Springs, Arkansas.

533
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 13: You know, the old Rolling Stones lyric every cop is

534
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 13: a criminal. That was especially true in the nineteen thirties

535
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Speaker 13: and in Hot Spring, Arkansas, because it was known as

536
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Speaker 13: a cooling off area where if they paid enough money,

537
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Speaker 13: they could be protected, and.

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Speaker 1: The club of infamous gangsters taking advantage of this gets

539
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Speaker 1: an update in March nineteen thirty six when Lucky Luciano

540
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Speaker 1: also starts calling the town home. Ever since those February

541
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: raids on brothels across Manhattan. Feeling the net closing in,

542
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Speaker 1: he swaps the murky waters of New York for the

543
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Speaker 1: healing waters of Hot Springs. During that spring of nineteen

544
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Speaker 1: thirty six, two unfortunate New York burglars break the Hot

545
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Speaker 1: Springs etiquette, and so.

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Speaker 14: The Hot Springs police farmer called a couple of New

547
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 14: York cops to come down and pick up a couple

548
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Speaker 14: of New York burglars who they captured here.

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Speaker 2: While they were here.

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Speaker 14: They were walking around like everybody else, and they spotted

551
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 14: Luciana walking on the promenade and they said, Lucky, the

552
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 14: Holy East Coast is looking for you.

553
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 5: He said what for?

554
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Speaker 14: And he told him compulsory prostitution, and he just laughed.

555
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 14: He said I can't believe that, but anyway, I appreciate

556
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:40,959
Speaker 14: you telling me.

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Speaker 10: So.

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Speaker 14: Of course, the policeman that spotted him here, when he

559
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 14: got back to New York with his prisoner, he said,

560
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 14: you know, I saw a Lucky Luciano down there. They

561
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 14: said what he said, Yeah, he's walking down the promenade

562
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 14: and he's fixing to go take a bath.

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Speaker 1: So that up you know who Thomas Dewey back in

564
00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: New York, who was waiting to complete his mission.

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Speaker 14: He got on the phones and he started calling and

566
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Speaker 14: send the telegrams and raising hell, arrest Lucky and bring

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00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 14: him back to New York.

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00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, for Dewey, it isn't quite that simple. He's paid

569
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Speaker 1: his fees to the cops.

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Speaker 5: They were more interested in protecting Luccello than they were

571
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Speaker 5: in cooperating with Dewey.

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Speaker 1: After several days, the governor of Arkansas calls Hot Springs

573
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Speaker 1: and kicks the sheriff into action. The sheriff brings Lucky

574
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Speaker 1: in on a traffic violation.

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Speaker 14: They were forced to go pick him up. They spent

576
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Speaker 14: a few hours over at the Garland County jail. He

577
00:37:46,040 --> 00:37:49,799
Speaker 14: had an open door policy at the jail. You can

578
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:51,080
Speaker 14: come and go if you want to go get some

579
00:37:51,160 --> 00:37:52,760
Speaker 14: sandwiches or something, that's fine.

580
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Speaker 1: But his lawyers in Hot Springs get in touch with

581
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Speaker 1: his lawyers up in New York, and before long Lucky

582
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Speaker 1: gets a bailed out.

583
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Speaker 14: Arkansas really wasn't going to make a mood take him anywhere.

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Speaker 1: So the governor intervenes again, this time with a little

585
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 1: more aggression.

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Speaker 5: A governor in Arkansas sent twenty armed state troopers to

587
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Speaker 5: Hot Springs to take Luciannol physically from Hot Springs to

588
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Speaker 5: Little Rock.

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00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:25,680
Speaker 1: From there, he's extradited back to New York with an

590
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: armed escort. After all the hullabaloo, no one wants to

591
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,480
Speaker 1: be the one accused of letting Lucky Luciano get away.

592
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 1: The train line back to New York is uneventful. The

593
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: cops keep Lucky handcuffed between them at all times. When

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Speaker 1: he arrives in New.

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Speaker 14: York, Junice Carter was there ready for him.

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Speaker 1: On April eighth, nineteen thirty six, Lucky's indicted for ninety

597
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Speaker 1: counts of compulsory prostitution. The judge sets his bond at

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Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty thousand dollars. At the time, it's

599
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Speaker 1: the largest bond in New York history.

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Speaker 5: That's about almost eight million in today's dollars.

601
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 1: Lucky doesn't pay it. So while sitting in his jail

602
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 1: cell he has the chance to read his arrest warrant,

603
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: he notices a significant detail. Lucky isn't going to be

604
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:23,120
Speaker 1: tried alone. Twelve of his associates are being indicted alongside him.

605
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Speaker 13: Having everybody tried unto one indictment. That was called the

606
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 13: joins Ohlua. That was pretty revolutionary for its time, and

607
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 13: it was a sneaky trick that prosecutors used to lump

608
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Speaker 13: all these defendants onto one category.

609
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Speaker 1: Behind the scenes, Dewey has been lobbying for a new law.

610
00:39:45,200 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: As they'd built the case against Lucky, he realized how

611
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,240
Speaker 1: hard it would be to link the mob's top bosses

612
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,759
Speaker 1: to the actions of their lieutenants and middlemen, and so

613
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 1: he's been trying to find a way to get them

614
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 1: all in court together back him up. They put the

615
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:04,680
Speaker 1: law into effect at breakneck speed.

616
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Speaker 5: That law actually passed like days before the Luciano trial.

617
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Speaker 1: The rules of the game have changed. Find one guilty,

618
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,960
Speaker 1: and you find them all guilty. This law is a

619
00:40:16,000 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: big deal, a huge deal. In fact, it's a precursor

620
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Speaker 1: to the Rico Law or Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organization Act.

621
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Speaker 1: The Rico Law is still in use today and has

622
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Speaker 1: been used against all kinds of people and companies, from

623
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Speaker 1: John Gottie to Donald Trump to Shean fashion company.

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Speaker 13: The guilt of innocence of one was the same as

625
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Speaker 13: the guilt or innocence of another.

626
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Speaker 1: It becomes known as the Dewey Law. Dewey is determined

627
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Speaker 1: not to let Lucky slip through the cracks of the

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Speaker 1: judicial system, even if it means he has to seal

629
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 1: them himself.

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Speaker 12: At that point, he knew he was toast.

631
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Speaker 1: After months of painstaking work of morally dubious evidence, collection,

632
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:10,880
Speaker 1: of office politics, and lobbying, Unice's master plan is about

633
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: to bring New York's most powerful gangster into the courtroom.

634
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: Will it pay off? Lucky and Eunice were set on

635
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: different trajectories the minute they arrived in New York in

636
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Speaker 1: nineteen oh six, and now, with Thomas Dewey between them.

637
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Speaker 5: Their lives intersect in a courtroom for one month in

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Speaker 5: nineteen thirty six.

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Speaker 1: That's coming up on episode six of The Godmother. You've

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Speaker 1: been listening to.

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Speaker 7: I'm Marilyn Greenwald. I'm a professor Emerita of journalism at

642
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Speaker 7: Ohio University, and I'm the author of five biographies, including

643
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Speaker 7: one of Eunice Hunting Carter.

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Speaker 8: I am Claire White, and I am the director of

645
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Speaker 8: Education at the Mob Museum in downtown Las Vegas.

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Speaker 3: My name is doctor Clarissa Myriek Harris, and I am

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Speaker 3: a tenured professor of Africana Studies at Moorhouse College in Atlanta, Georgia.

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Speaker 9: My name is Robert Whalan and I'm an emerathus Professor

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Speaker 9: of History at Queen's University of Charlotte here in Charlotte,

650
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Speaker 9: North Carolina.

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Speaker 12: Why my name is Ellen Olson.

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Speaker 13: I research and I write books about women who were

653
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Speaker 13: involved with notorious gangsters and desperadoes.

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Speaker 5: My name is Chuck Greeves. Before becoming a writer, I

655
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Speaker 5: spent twenty five years as a Los Angeles trial lawyer.

656
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Speaker 5: My fourth novel was basically a fictionalization of the famous

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Speaker 5: nineteen thirty six vice trial, in which Luckily China was

658
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Speaker 5: prosecuted by Thomas Dewey.

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Speaker 12: I'm Debbie aple Gate.

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Speaker 6: I'm a historian and biographer, and I am the author

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Speaker 1: and written by me Nicole Perkins. Our producer is Leona Hamid.

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Speaker 1: our executive producer. Production by Tnito Romani and Pallas Shaw,

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