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Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you get in touch with technology? With

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Speaker 1: tech Stuff from how stuff works dot com. Hello, everybody,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to tech Stuff. My name is Chris Pouette, and

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Speaker 1: I'm an editor here at how stuff works dot Com.

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Speaker 1: Sitting across from me as usual as senior writer Jonathan Strickland.

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Speaker 1: Hey there, Crispy. Alright, so today we were going to

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Speaker 1: talk about something really vague. Stuff you can hook up

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Speaker 1: to your TV, right, go, okay, so cam qorders, uh,

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Speaker 1: very small rocks, cherries, cherries. We wanted to talk about

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Speaker 1: really sort of pretty much everything home theater related that

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Speaker 1: go into a V receivers, but I thought we'd do

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Speaker 1: another episode later on about home theater components specifically, But

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Speaker 1: we kind of wanted to talk about different stuff that

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Speaker 1: Really that was That's the way I looked at it, anyway,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure about you. Yeah, okay, So we're not

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Speaker 1: at least not by themselves. No, no, no, that's their

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Speaker 1: only application. We're talking about stuff that enhances what you

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Speaker 1: think that qualifies because it can do more than one thing.

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Speaker 1: That's true. That's true. And if you have one of those.

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Speaker 1: UM sent it to Chris. He's apparently very interested. Um

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Speaker 1: so the first thing I was going to talk about.

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Speaker 1: But well, what was the first thing you were going

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Speaker 1: start off by talking about the Great Wars, the Great

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Speaker 1: Wars between Beta Max and VHS. Okay, I thought we

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Speaker 1: So with Beta Max and VHS UM. For our younger

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Speaker 1: Using a computer as a media center. Yeah, so I

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Speaker 1: mean these kinds of things. Uh, you know that would

428
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:08,680
Speaker 1: be your favorite word, convergence, convergence. Um, so you wouldn't

429
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Speaker 1: necessarily pie. You knew it had to be one of

430
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Speaker 1: the two. Convergence or pie. Yeah, it wasn't. It wasn't

431
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,159
Speaker 1: but a few weeks ago that I discovered Jonathan's findness

432
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Speaker 1: for pie. So every once in a while, I'm I'm

433
00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 1: you know, I may need to uh throw that in

434
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 1: there just to watch his eyes glazing over. It's kind

435
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Speaker 1: of fun if I get into a rant, all you

436
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Speaker 1: have to do is say the word pie. Pie. But um, yeah,

437
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 1: convergence may you know, be the the end of the

438
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Speaker 1: the argument for a lot of people because you know

439
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:38,360
Speaker 1: other technologies like the sling player. You know that's that's

440
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,400
Speaker 1: being built in addition network receivers too, So I mean

441
00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:43,600
Speaker 1: you can you can get I'm sure there will be

442
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: competing technologies for that too in the in the future.

443
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,680
Speaker 1: So sling players another good example of stuff you can help. YEP,

444
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: that's a place shifter. If you don't know what sling

445
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,640
Speaker 1: player is, UM, and it will let you say you're

446
00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: on a business trip, you have your sling player hooked

447
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 1: up and configured correctly. UM, you can you know, tune

448
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: into your network at home, UH, use it to control

449
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 1: your DVR and watch your recorded TV shows, or you

450
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:11,719
Speaker 1: can watch live TV on a on a you know,

451
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,200
Speaker 1: on some event especially that you may not be able

452
00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: to get in your local area, like say, uh sporting event,

453
00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: which has actually caused a lot of sporting leagues to

454
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: be very upset with Sling and I assume Dish too

455
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,280
Speaker 1: now that they were acquired. I would just like, you're

456
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Speaker 1: out of the area, you're in a blackout zone, you're

457
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,399
Speaker 1: not supposed to be able to see this. I just

458
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 1: take like to take a moment to say, what the

459
00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 1: hell I mean, they wouldn't be able to watch it anyway?

460
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 1: What's the problem with watching it? I don't. I don't

461
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 1: under this no sense to Baseball Graves. What what makes

462
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: no sense to me is if you are allowed to

463
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Speaker 1: watch it because you live in the zone and you

464
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Speaker 1: are across the country on a business trip watching it

465
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Speaker 1: on your your place shifting device. I don't see why

466
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Speaker 1: if you are legally allowed to watch it, you just

467
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Speaker 1: don't happen to be at that place at that time.

468
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 1: Why you wouldn't be allowed to write? Geography means less

469
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: and less in the digital age, right indeed? I oh,

470
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 1: it ever takes me so much? Um, I feel I feel.

471
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: I feel the same way about this as uh as

472
00:26:17,720 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of our foreign listeners feel about

473
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,120
Speaker 1: being able to not being able to access things like Hulu.

474
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 1: Because really, in the SABC w BBC programming, which is

475
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,120
Speaker 1: why whenever you Brits talked to us about Doctor Who,

476
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,120
Speaker 1: We're like, wait, what happened? Because we're a year behind? Yes, um,

477
00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 1: no spoilers, no spoilers, so uh we Also, I was

478
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 1: going to mention Apple TV, oh yeah, because that's another

479
00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: digital media kind of downloading device. Yeah, that's sort of

480
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: in a gray area too, because it's not a it's

481
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: not a it's a it's uh it's Apple TV, right, Yeah,

482
00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: you can use Apple TV to essentially kind of it's

483
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,440
Speaker 1: it's kind of like hooking up your television to iTunes,

484
00:27:00,480 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: really is what it boils. Yeah, that's pretty much. And

485
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: you can use it to rent HD movies or purchase

486
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: movies or television off of iTunes and watch it on

487
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,560
Speaker 1: your television. And uh so it's again, it's one of

488
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 1: those things where for people who who are unsure about

489
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,360
Speaker 1: hooking up a computer to the other television or maybe

490
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,719
Speaker 1: if maybe you're one of those households where everyone has

491
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 1: a laptop, you don't have a machine that you can

492
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:29,000
Speaker 1: dedicate to that, then this makes sense. So yeah, actually

493
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: it's a It's received quite a lot of praise, but um,

494
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 1: I don't you know, it's not one of their perennial

495
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,960
Speaker 1: top sellers. I've heard people, you know, I've heard rumors

496
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 1: in the past that they were going to kill it,

497
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:43,080
Speaker 1: and they haven't, so they must sell some. Um. But

498
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: it's a pretty neat little device. But it's it's very

499
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: specialized in what it can do. And uh, you know

500
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: a lot of people say, well I could, I could

501
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: get a computer and actually convert it to a media

502
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,439
Speaker 1: center and have it do this and other stuff, you know,

503
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: with something like boxy. Well that's the thing though, I think,

504
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,160
Speaker 1: I think a lot of these items are really marketed

505
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:05,640
Speaker 1: for that group of consumers where they're not technologically savvy

506
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: enough to take the steps that are required to hook

507
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,919
Speaker 1: up a computer to your television or home entertainment system,

508
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: because in some cases it takes more than just you know,

509
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: putting the right cable between the two devices. There there

510
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,399
Speaker 1: are other steps that are involved, and um, if you

511
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: don't have the recorrect software, for example, you'll be thinking,

512
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: why the heck isn't this working and you get really frustrated.

513
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: Whereas a box, of course, it's all supposed to work

514
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:34,919
Speaker 1: right on the box if it's designed correctly. Yes, okay, Well, uh,

515
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: what other devices do you have if any? Um? Well,

516
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: I wrote down some things about gaming systems, but that's

517
00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 1: kind of a separate category. That's true. Yeah, there are

518
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 1: tons of gaming systems. Um. I was going to talk

519
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: about the online video game console because we mentioned that

520
00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: in a podcast previously. The online video game console was

521
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: supposed to be this device that allows you to download

522
00:28:57,360 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: UH or or actually to play game is over the cloud,

523
00:29:00,800 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: you know, and you're not even downloading, but you're able

524
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: to play you a little bit. Yeah, there's some stuff

525
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: on the device itself, but the there's there's a there's

526
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 1: supposed to be a version version for the PC, for

527
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 1: the Mac, and then there's a standalone little concel that

528
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 1: who come to the TV and ideally you would be

529
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: able to play these really normally resource intensive games, but

530
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,200
Speaker 1: the cloud would take care of all the processing for you,

531
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 1: so you would just be able to play it rail

532
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: the box. You wouldn't have to have the latest and

533
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: grace machine to play it. The reason why I wanted

534
00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: to bring it up is because I noticed going to

535
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: their website that I haven't seen any updates since June one,

536
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: So UH and E three came and went, and I

537
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: didn't see anything about it at E three when I

538
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: was there. Yeah, that makes me a little nervous. I'm

539
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: starting I'm starting to get shades of the phantom. UM.

540
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that's not the case. So they are supposed

541
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: to continue in open beta and UH not that I've

542
00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: been contacted I did express interest, but I haven't heard back,

543
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: and it's supposedly going to be available um this coming winter,

544
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: so we'll keep our eyes open see if that actually

545
00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: comes to fruition or if maybe this is another one

546
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: of those things that just fizzles out before it ever

547
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:15,520
Speaker 1: goes to market. All right, then, so I guess that

548
00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:19,840
Speaker 1: just leaves us to our favorite segment, which is a

549
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:27,320
Speaker 1: listener mail. Okay, man, So this listener mail comes from James,

550
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: and he has a nice long email, so I'm just

551
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: gonna again cut this a little short. Hey guys, I

552
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 1: must say I've always been quite the techie since I

553
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:37,240
Speaker 1: was a kid. I've always tried to stay on top

554
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: of the latest and grace things in the tech world.

555
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: I work now as a computer programmer, but I'm also

556
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: a professional musician at night with my band Shipyard wreck Plug.

557
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,719
Speaker 1: So my world's collide quite often between music or art

558
00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: and computers, which to me is an art as well.

559
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 1: I was wondering what you guys might think about computers

560
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 1: and technology and their effects on art in the studio.

561
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,640
Speaker 1: I love using all the digital tools and whatnot, but

562
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: this same time, I think people sometimes use it too much,

563
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 1: mostly because they don't have the talent to back it up.

564
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: Do you think we will ever get back to a

565
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: world of music where samples, auto tune and other digital

566
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: schools rule the world in markets? I think that means

567
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: when they don't. UM. I somewhat fear that Sunday technology

568
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: will push aside art because true artists will no longer

569
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: be respected due to the fact that any Joe Schmo

570
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:22,520
Speaker 1: would be able to produce music at the touch of

571
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: a button. And he goes on. But that's enough for

572
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: us to talk about this briefly. What's your take on

573
00:31:28,560 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: technology and art? Well, UM, you know, as a an

574
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 1: artist of sorts, not a visual artist, but a musician. UM,

575
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 1: I gotta say that a lot of times we the

576
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,360
Speaker 1: stuff that I do with the people I record with

577
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:49,480
Speaker 1: UM is really a collaboration of technologies, between analog and digital. UM.

578
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: I don't think you can. I mean, digital technology makes

579
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: art of all kinds a lot easier in a lot

580
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:57,640
Speaker 1: of respects, but it kind of depends on what you

581
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: do with it. And it's sort of like my my

582
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 1: feelings on e books. You know, I like the idea

583
00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 1: of having a digital device where you can read UM.

584
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 1: You know, thousands of books on the train or where

585
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 1: you know, take it with you and not have to

586
00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 1: carry a whole bunch of textbooks. There's something about the

587
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: physical medium. Um. There's something about playing an instrument, or

588
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:22,360
Speaker 1: going to a museum and actually see, you know, seeing

589
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: the texture of the paint on the canvas, or you know,

590
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 1: a sculpture that you can actually look at or in

591
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: some cases touch, um And and you know, the kind

592
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 1: of thing where you you actually have in your hands

593
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: a book in your hands, where you flip the page.

594
00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:40,520
Speaker 1: There's that that sort of visceral reaction that I don't

595
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 1: think you can get through pure digital media. Plus there's

596
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,680
Speaker 1: that whole preservation question, right and you know, whether it's

597
00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: going to be available to the next generation of people,

598
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 1: whether it's going to fall apart, or whether people will

599
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 1: even be able to read it if it's in some

600
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:57,880
Speaker 1: format or used on some computer. I mean, will people

601
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:02,080
Speaker 1: be able to read DVDs in sixty year? So, I mean,

602
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 1: you know, there there are a lot of questions regarding that,

603
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: and I think, uh, computers are great for helping us,

604
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: you know, create some of these things, but you know,

605
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think analog are forms are

606
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: going to ever completely go away. I agree. I think

607
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: technology does help people realize their artistic visions um in

608
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 1: ways that they otherwise may not be able to do.

609
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: But I don't think it will ever completely replace it.

610
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Speaker 1: I mean a lot of the stuff I've listened to, UM,

611
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 1: you can tell quality. That's that's really what it boils

612
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: down to. I mean, you can you might enjoy like

613
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,680
Speaker 1: a weird song that was produced by putting a whole

614
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 1: bunch of samples together, but that that's sort of a

615
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: novelty I think. Um. I think genuine artistic expression does

616
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: come through, whether you're using technology to achieve it or not.

617
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,920
Speaker 1: And if you don't have that, then it just won't

618
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 1: you know, it just doesn't have any real lasting power.

619
00:33:59,640 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: So I agree. I don't think technology is ever going

620
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: to push the artistic expression out. Um. I think it's

621
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: going to continue helping people express themselves artistically, and uh,

622
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:11,120
Speaker 1: I see it as a great thing. In fact, there

623
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: were some musicians I never would have heard of without technology,

624
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: So that's true. That was a great question, James. Um,

625
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: that would probably deserve its full podcasts all on its own.

626
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: But maybe I'll just switch that over to stuff from

627
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:26,440
Speaker 1: the b sides and see what they want to do

628
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Speaker 1: with it. Thanks, and if any of you have any

629
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Speaker 1: suggestions or questions, you can write us. Our email address

630
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,600
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631
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Speaker 1: and sets and do hickies that's a technical term at

633
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Speaker 1: how stuff works dot com. Crispy and I will taught

634
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:51,319
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