1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:08,880 Speaker 1: Who baby A baby? I need you, Oh hell, I 2 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:14,000 Speaker 1: need you. What to Expect is a production of I 3 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:18,239 Speaker 1: Heart Radio. I'm your host Heidi Murko and I'm a 4 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:20,960 Speaker 1: mom on a mission, A mission to help you know 5 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: what to expect every step of the way. A baby 6 00:00:27,200 --> 00:00:30,000 Speaker 1: by any name would smell a sweet. That's just a fact. 7 00:00:30,160 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: So what's in a name? Too soon to be parents, 8 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: whether they're expecting their first bundle or their fifth, a 9 00:00:37,280 --> 00:00:40,880 Speaker 1: lot hangs on that name. Choice names are, after all, 10 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: for life, for better, for worse, for mispronounced from misspelled. 11 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: Some parents have those baby names picked out before they 12 00:00:50,120 --> 00:00:53,680 Speaker 1: even start trying to conceive boy less and girl less 13 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: first names and middle names. Lucky them. But if you're 14 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: still not sold on a name or family only feuds 15 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:04,480 Speaker 1: are fueling a contentious debate, or you're just playing stressed 16 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:07,759 Speaker 1: about the responsibility of naming the bundle you'll soon be 17 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 1: bringing home, you're not alone. Lucky you. We're here to help. Today. 18 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,760 Speaker 1: We are breaking down latest trends in baby names and 19 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: your biggest questions about what to call your little one. 20 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: Besides sweet, I'm here with Emma. A baby I named personally. 21 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: I like it, I didn't like it. When I was 22 00:01:28,520 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: like nine, I wanted to be in Michelle after Michelle Tanner. 23 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: But um, now I'm happy with it. Okay, how did 24 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:41,960 Speaker 1: you choose Lennox and Sebastian. So Lennox I looked at 25 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: like a literature baby name book. One night in the 26 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: middle of the night when I couldn't sleep, I was like, oh, 27 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: I love Lennox. It's like a Shakespearean play. I think 28 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:51,559 Speaker 1: it's King Lear and his middle name is Page after 29 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: Jimmy Page. Sebastian's name is a lot more fun. I 30 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:57,320 Speaker 1: wanted to name him something else, and my husband's like, no, 31 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,480 Speaker 1: we have to name a Sebastian. What did you want 32 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: to name like West or something. I don't know. There's 33 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 1: a kin Lennox's class names now, so it would be weird. Yeah, 34 00:02:05,400 --> 00:02:08,920 Speaker 1: so with your names, um, Emma, I love the book 35 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:12,399 Speaker 1: by Jane Austen, so that was a no brainer. Now, Wyatt, 36 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: we didn't know the gender with either one of you, 37 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: so if why it had been a girl, he would 38 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: have been Willa, which I still wish I had another 39 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: girl to name Will. I love that name. He broke 40 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 1: the mold with me, Mom, true that with why we 41 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 1: were all set on the name Winston until like thirty 42 00:02:28,760 --> 00:02:33,760 Speaker 1: seven weeks when Eric just all of a sudden realized 43 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 1: the baby's names should be Wyatt. He's a big fan 44 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: of Western so that made sense. He's not a Winston, 45 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: he's so a Wyatt. So how far into your pregnancy 46 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 1: were you when you knew the gender? So that gave 47 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,080 Speaker 1: you a head start. Um, I don't pretty like immediately 48 00:02:49,320 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: like he was like, okay, it's Sebastian. Okay, um, and 49 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: then Lennox I think halfway through. Okay. So baby names 50 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: here in the US, of course, anything seem to go um, 51 00:03:01,320 --> 00:03:04,079 Speaker 1: and not just when it comes to celebrity baby names anymore. 52 00:03:04,800 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: People get super creative, and for the most part in 53 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: the US, you can by law and name your baby 54 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: anything you want to. I mean, there are some states 55 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: that limit the total number of letters if you add 56 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: up the first, middle, and last name, so it can 57 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: all fit on a legal form um. But those letters 58 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: can spell just about anything. No number. Elon Musk learned 59 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: about the hard way. No numbers, yes, but in other 60 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 1: parts of the world apparently not so much. I did 61 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 1: not know this until I was digging a little bit. 62 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: But baby names are actually restricted by law in some countries, 63 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: and that's including countries like Denmark, Norway, Sweden, Germany, New Zealand. 64 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: For instance, in many countries, you can't name your baby 65 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 1: something that could be potentially embarrassing or have them made 66 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 1: fun of or negatively impact a child's well being. Some 67 00:03:58,880 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: obvious example balls would be Satan Hitler Anus. Yeah, you 68 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: can't name your baby anus. Governments have also rejected names 69 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:12,160 Speaker 1: that are even more random, like sexy fruit I'm still 70 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: stuck on anus um. Also, unconventional spellings of traditional names 71 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: are discouraged now. Some countries like Norway and Sweden, require 72 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:25,360 Speaker 1: that a first name sounds like a first name. Anderson. 73 00:04:25,800 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: You can't name your baby Anderson, So sorry about that, 74 00:04:28,960 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: Anderson cooper um. Some countries banned brand names, and that 75 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 1: would include some names that are pretty popular here like Chanel, 76 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: Mercedes and in Sweden you can't name your kid I Kea. 77 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. Some countries don't allow names that 78 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,840 Speaker 1: aren't gender specific, like the name has to tell you 79 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:51,719 Speaker 1: right away whether it's a boy or girl, So a 80 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 1: lot of favorite names here would be out, like Charlie. 81 00:04:54,440 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: I love that super cute Charlie, so cute for a girl, 82 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: but apparently it's not legal in Germany and Iceland. There 83 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: are also plenty of baby name traditions from around the 84 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:08,160 Speaker 1: world that date way back. In some parts of Africa, 85 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: I thought this was so sweet. An elder in the 86 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 1: village picks the name and whispers it into the baby's 87 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: ear before they announced it at the baby naming ceremony, 88 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: because the belief is that the baby should hear his 89 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: or her name, especially beautiful thing I've ever heard. You know, 90 00:05:28,080 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and when we come back, 91 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: we're going over our community's biggest questions about baby names. So, Emma, 92 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: let's read through some of these messages from what to Expect. 93 00:05:54,520 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: So we looked at some of the posts about baby 94 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 1: names on the what to Expect community message boards, and 95 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 1: there's a lot of them. We pulled out some of 96 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,880 Speaker 1: the topics of conversation you all have. Um Emma, let's 97 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: read through some of these and discuss on the other side. 98 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: What are the most popular ways people come up with names, 99 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:19,200 Speaker 1: I mean, besides just liking how it sounds for the moment. 100 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 1: I actually signed thousands of books a year, and I 101 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 1: have heard just about every baby name out there. Oh yeah, 102 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: I bet I've heard it all. I've spelled it all. 103 00:06:29,800 --> 00:06:33,120 Speaker 1: And there are a lot of families, you know. I 104 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: sign a lot of books from military families, and a 105 00:06:35,080 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: lot of those families the tradition is you give your 106 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 1: baby dad's name. Um, so it's a lot of junior seconds, 107 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: thirds force five. I've had six. I think I'm not 108 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,440 Speaker 1: sure I went any higher than that that would be impressed. 109 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: Some families actually just used the same name for the 110 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: father and son, so for instance, Marcus and Marcus, not 111 00:06:54,839 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: Marcus senior and Marcus juior, Marcus Marcus. Some do diminutives, 112 00:07:00,320 --> 00:07:04,520 Speaker 1: like Jonathan and Johnny. Um, wasn't it George Foreman who 113 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,520 Speaker 1: named all his sons George. I looked it up and 114 00:07:07,560 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: he gave each one a number two, So George one 115 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:14,120 Speaker 1: George too. It's a little confusing maybe, but I guess 116 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: you don't get the names mixed up. That's a plus. Um, 117 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: some people do. I think this is so cute. Some 118 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: people do. See jays for you know, Christopher John or 119 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: John um ore J's t js and I feel like 120 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: those are names that you know, sure their nicknames, but 121 00:07:32,040 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: their nicknames that you can grow with. Biblical names are 122 00:07:37,040 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: always popular. Some people choose them because they're religious. Some 123 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: people just choose them because their traditional names. Some families 124 00:07:44,960 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: keep the biblical theme going for all their kids. So 125 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: you've got Samuel, Noah, Isaac. Isaiah is one that I 126 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: always forget how to spell Ezekiel, or let's say Mohammed, Aliyah, 127 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: Hannah esther all. This ancestry dot com has brought back 128 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: a lot of ancestral names. Now. Some parents named baby 129 00:08:08,320 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 1: after where they were conceived. So, Emma, you would have 130 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: been Greenwich Village. I know a mom on Instagram said 131 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:20,080 Speaker 1: Hayden Park after the neighborhood where her baby was conceived. 132 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: That's really pretty. Yeah, it's really pretty. It's like Beyonce's 133 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 1: line Ivy Park. I'm not mad. A lot of military 134 00:08:26,760 --> 00:08:30,080 Speaker 1: families were always moving around from base to base. Sometimes 135 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: they choose the name from the place that they're based 136 00:08:32,760 --> 00:08:35,959 Speaker 1: when the baby's conceived, so like Hawaiian name and Italian name, 137 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:40,280 Speaker 1: a Japanese name. I had a mom who didn't know 138 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,079 Speaker 1: the baby's gender yet when I signed her book, so 139 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 1: I signed it to both the boy and girl named. 140 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: The boy name was going to be Ben after Big Ben, 141 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: not Benjamin Benn and the girl name was going to 142 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: be Abbey, after Westminster Abbey. That cute. Um celebrity names. 143 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:04,679 Speaker 1: One mom told me Reese Witherspoon. She named her baby Reese. 144 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: I think there's been a run on Chase. I'm not 145 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: sure if that was from Chase Crawford or whether it's 146 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:13,880 Speaker 1: from Pap Patrol if they have a younger kid, maybe 147 00:09:13,880 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 1: Pap Patrol. When I was in high school, that name 148 00:09:16,160 --> 00:09:18,679 Speaker 1: was pretty popular to Chase. I like that name. It's 149 00:09:18,679 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: a good, sturdy name. I think it's coming back, making 150 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,839 Speaker 1: a comeback. Sophia is like super popular. I think it's 151 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 1: like at the top of the list right now. But 152 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: it's not from Sophia Lorenne. That's what somebody a few 153 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,760 Speaker 1: people told me on Instagram. It was after Sophia Lorene. H. 154 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:37,240 Speaker 1: I finm sure names like Blake for Blake Lively. Also, 155 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:40,199 Speaker 1: I'm sure a lot of character names. Yeah, I've heard 156 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,880 Speaker 1: a lot of movie characters. So Aurelia from Love actually 157 00:09:44,200 --> 00:09:46,120 Speaker 1: is one that I've heard several times. One of my 158 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,600 Speaker 1: favorite all time movies. Oh yeah, that's a big one. 159 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 1: Disney characters, UM names from music, characters and books. UM. 160 00:09:54,559 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 1: Somebody mentioned characters from Game of Thrones. I've never seen it. Aria, 161 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 1: I haven't seen I saw like one season, but that's 162 00:10:04,640 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 1: a big one. Okay, Eighties TV and movie characters, especially 163 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,520 Speaker 1: for moms of a certain generation. I have no idea 164 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:17,560 Speaker 1: any of those constellations, stars, planets, mercury. I hear a 165 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: lot of Greek gods. I get Adonis, Apollo, Ena, Venus, whoa, Yeah, 166 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of newborn adonis Is. That's adorable. 167 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 1: Donnie Presidents Kennedy. Oh yeah, that's great for I know 168 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: a girl Kennedy. Also, you can use that for both genders. Yep, Theodore, 169 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: I love that. Teddy Rosevel Well, I love Teddy so 170 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:45,959 Speaker 1: that I know a teddy girl. And President's kids like Malia. 171 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: That's a great one from President Obama. Sports figures Nolan 172 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:54,680 Speaker 1: after Nolan Ryan. There's also a naming tradition, a Jewish 173 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: naming tradition, where you name your baby after a relative ooside, 174 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,559 Speaker 1: but you don't necessarily have to use that particular name, 175 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: but the name should start with the same letter. There's 176 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: also names that come from tragedies, like this year, there 177 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: have been a lot of Koby's and Gianna's. I also 178 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:16,600 Speaker 1: wonder if Ruth is going to make it come back. 179 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: Maybe Ruth Bader. That's the cutest little girl name ever, Ruth, 180 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:25,880 Speaker 1: are you kidding? Best legacy ever? Old school names. So 181 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:29,320 Speaker 1: I love when babies are named like old people, because 182 00:11:29,720 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: don't they look like little men anyway? A lot of 183 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: the time they do. It's literally like Benjamin Button. The 184 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: name kind of fits. So Grandpa names like Daddy is 185 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: or Eugene. That's the best time ever. Parents Bernard, will 186 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 1: my heart be Stanley? And then this grandma names like Irene, Mabel, Harriet, Edith, Dorothy, 187 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: eleanor has made a huge comeback, Florence. You can call 188 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: it baby flow yeah, except anything about the progressive I know. 189 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,079 Speaker 1: I was thinking that at the same time. Everyone it 190 00:12:06,200 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: for me, but God or your aunt flow right, Please 191 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 1: somebody naming your baby Wilber I know, and or Clarence 192 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: and then d m me and show me a picture 193 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: of them, or Mabel or d m me too. Um. 194 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,440 Speaker 1: And then when people go by the meaning of the name, 195 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:25,600 Speaker 1: some people don't care. We didn't care, but somehow your 196 00:12:25,679 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 1: name's actually fit the meaning. So Emma comes from all embracing, 197 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: which I did not know until I looked it up. 198 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: But all embracing. That's totally you. That's me Why it 199 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: means strong, brave, and hearty, which is like incredible because 200 00:12:42,880 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: his preschool teacher when he was to described him as stoic. 201 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 1: I really don't know many two year olds who are 202 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 1: described as stoic, but that's why he's definitely stoic, completely 203 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:58,319 Speaker 1: someone you've met. Sometimes parents will name their kids after 204 00:12:58,480 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 1: someone they've met once they really like the name, or 205 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: someone you know, you babysat for now. Popularity is a 206 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:09,280 Speaker 1: funny thing. No one named their kids Emma or Wyatt. 207 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,280 Speaker 1: When we did, we thought we were picking names that 208 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: would never become popular, and go figure, they're super super popular. 209 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 1: So there's really no guarantee that when you pick your 210 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: name that is going to remain uncommon. Um. Some people 211 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: like to avoid super popular names. Others embrace trends. They 212 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:33,840 Speaker 1: hear a name, they hear it a lot, they like it, 213 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:35,880 Speaker 1: they use it, it doesn't matter if it's about to 214 00:13:35,920 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 1: break the top ten. Others look for names that are 215 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: not too popular, not too uncommon, you know, just right. 216 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:45,079 Speaker 1: It's it's a very important choice. I need to tell 217 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 1: you one funny story. One mom told me that her husband, 218 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 1: when he was in high school. He had Bob Marley 219 00:13:53,960 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: come to him in a dream. Really yeah, and he 220 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: promised for some reason, he promised Bob Marley and his 221 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:05,880 Speaker 1: dream to name his firstborn son after him. And so 222 00:14:06,360 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: you know, she met him. They got married, not her 223 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:11,839 Speaker 1: and Bob Marley, her and her husband. And he said, well, 224 00:14:11,840 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: by the way, our son has to be named after 225 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 1: Bob Marley. And she didn't like the name Bob. She 226 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,760 Speaker 1: didn't like the name Robert, so they named their baby Morley. 227 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: Their firstborn son was Morley, and then they wanted to 228 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: keep the music theme, so they named the second one 229 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 1: Morrison and call may. So it's so cute, Maury, that's 230 00:14:29,040 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: so great. Have you ever heard of people inventing their 231 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,480 Speaker 1: own name. I feel like that's really popular. Yeah, that's 232 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: very popular, and you can definitely do that, um, at 233 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: least if you live in the US. Some people blend 234 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:44,960 Speaker 1: two names together. Sometimes they change a letter, like instead 235 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: of Olivia, it's Olivia with an A, or Arissa instead 236 00:14:49,160 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: of Alissa or Marissa. But I feel like changing names 237 00:14:52,800 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 1: is great because that's solidified that you won't have a 238 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:58,440 Speaker 1: name that's like super popular. Even if the name was popular, 239 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 1: the spelling is different, so of like keeps you in 240 00:15:00,880 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: that unique little bubble. Yeah, some people do Brianna instead 241 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: of Brianna. You can take Oakley and make it Oaklynn. 242 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: I've heard that a lot. But then your kid gets 243 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: to the gas station or the souvenir shop and there 244 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: are no key chains or cups. There's never a key 245 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 1: chain for either of my kids. No, And it's funny. 246 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,440 Speaker 1: There were no Emma's back when you were growing up. 247 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 1: There were no Wyatts. Maybe there are now now we're 248 00:15:25,720 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: lousy with Emma's now they probably are. But actually, you know, 249 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: that could be a blessing, one mom pointed out, because 250 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:34,200 Speaker 1: then you don't have to buy all those collectibles. True, 251 00:15:34,360 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 1: there are a lot of tricky spellings too, and sometimes 252 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:43,280 Speaker 1: they're on purpose, sometimes not. There must be seventeen ways 253 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: to spell Riley and Kayla and Kylie and Mackenzie. I 254 00:15:48,040 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 1: mean even Sarah has to well, actually three ways. I 255 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 1: know Sarah who spelled s e r A. I met 256 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: a mom whose father misspelled her name on her birth certificate. 257 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,480 Speaker 1: I wish I could remember for the name. It was 258 00:16:01,520 --> 00:16:05,360 Speaker 1: something super it was super simple, and he didn't know 259 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: how to spell it, so he put the wrong spelling 260 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: down and she had to live with it. But you know, 261 00:16:09,800 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: of course now it's a great story, that's amazing. And 262 00:16:13,160 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: then of course there's misspelling on purpose creative spelling. My 263 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: sister's name is Sandy with two ease, and that said 264 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,480 Speaker 1: my name is Heidi, but nobody can spell it. Really, 265 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 1: there's no tricks. It's just nobody can spell Heidi. Well, 266 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: sometimes people spell my name with one M. It's rare, 267 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:36,720 Speaker 1: but it happens. So what about thinking whether the name 268 00:16:36,760 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: has a nickname? Like some just naturally do some don't. 269 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: I remember when you named Lennox, we were thinking, oh, 270 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:47,800 Speaker 1: that means we're going to call him Len, and he 271 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 1: is such a Len. We call him Len all the time. 272 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:55,800 Speaker 1: It's so cute. With Seby, I don't even call him no, 273 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: I don't ever call him Sebastian. I think that, you know, 274 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 1: you really you need to sit there and like trying 275 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 1: to think of all the nicknames that your kid could 276 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:09,400 Speaker 1: possibly have, because school, school can be rough. What happens 277 00:17:09,560 --> 00:17:12,520 Speaker 1: if you and your partner do not agree on the 278 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: name that I feel like the finals say should be 279 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: going to the person who pushes that child out, that's true, 280 00:17:20,119 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: or gives birth to it. Somehow did the heavy listing parents? 281 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: You know, sometimes they had a mom who told me 282 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: she and her husband talked about it on their first 283 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: date and apparently they agreed on the name so they 284 00:17:34,040 --> 00:17:36,480 Speaker 1: could move to the next step. That's a very important 285 00:17:36,520 --> 00:17:41,520 Speaker 1: first stake conversation. I know some parents have kept a 286 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:44,919 Speaker 1: list since high school. I have, and you didn't use 287 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:48,919 Speaker 1: any of them like that. No, I've been in the 288 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:52,120 Speaker 1: awkward position of signing books. You know, the mom's there 289 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: and she doesn't like the name the dad wants, and 290 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 1: the dad doesn't like the name she wants, and so 291 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: they asked me to sign the name that they like. 292 00:18:00,880 --> 00:18:03,760 Speaker 1: And I feel that's a lot of pressure, A little 293 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: awkward about that, but still some people take it so 294 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:11,199 Speaker 1: seriously they actually do bracket a limit. My husband, you know, 295 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: I let him have it because it was his first 296 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: and it was my second. So I was like, you 297 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 1: know what you do you okay, if you decide on 298 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:24,680 Speaker 1: a name during pregnancy, should you tell your friends and family? 299 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: I feel like I did not tell. The majority of 300 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: my family told us. I mean my extended family. I 301 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: told a few people, but I kept it on the dal. 302 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: A lot of horror stories I've read on what to 303 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 1: Expect message boards of moms sharing names and people making 304 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 1: negative comments, which is I've seen that that's so mean. Yeah, 305 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 1: you can think it, but don't say it, or write it, 306 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:54,919 Speaker 1: write it in a on a piece of paper and 307 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: just throw it in the trash. Should they never seen you? 308 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: Don't say it out loud. Now. A lot of moms 309 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 1: told me they actually like to share the name so 310 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 1: that they get personalized gifts for their babies. But I 311 00:19:06,119 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 1: did have one mom who did a gender reveal with 312 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: the name. Everything was picked out a whole nine yards, 313 00:19:12,920 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 1: picked out the registry based on the gender only, and 314 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:18,159 Speaker 1: turned out when the baby was born he was a 315 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: she and they had to redo everything. I mean, it 316 00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:25,439 Speaker 1: doesn't happen often that those mistakes were me, but it 317 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: does happen for me that I feel a little guilty 318 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,560 Speaker 1: about it, because what about the peanut gallery, Like, what 319 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,280 Speaker 1: should you do if there's pressure from a family member 320 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: to name the baby after a relative or to use 321 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 1: a letter in honor of someone and you don't want to. 322 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: I really don't know why people think they get a 323 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 1: vote on someone else's baby. I mean, even if it's 324 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: their grandchild. They just don't get a vote. I mean, 325 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:56,200 Speaker 1: opinions from the Peanut Gallery about your Peanuts name should 326 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,320 Speaker 1: not matter. The problem is that they actually can hurt, 327 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 1: and they can hurt a lot. I mean, this is 328 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: how I look at it. You made this baby together, 329 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: you raise the baby together, you pay babies bills together, 330 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: You get to name the baby together without outside interference. 331 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: You are the only ones who should have a vote. 332 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 1: I mean that doesn't stop mothers and mother in laws, 333 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: fathers and father in laws from giving their two cents 334 00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:29,840 Speaker 1: and even saying, you know, I've heard some incredibly hurtful 335 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: things that family members have said, laying on the guilt 336 00:20:34,600 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 1: when they don't like your choice. That's not fair, or 337 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: getting all passive aggressive about it, or pressure and you 338 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: even some family members pressure parents to change the name. 339 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,399 Speaker 1: It's so messed up. Emma, one of the moms on 340 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 1: your Instagram said she listened to the Peanut Gallery, actually 341 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:55,239 Speaker 1: changed her baby's name based on the Peanut Gallery and 342 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: still has name recrap. I mean, I think that's so 343 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: beyond unfair and messed up. You should name your child 344 00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:05,080 Speaker 1: what you want to name your child, not what your 345 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: mother in law wants you to name your child. She 346 00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: got to pick her son's name, she should let you 347 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: and your husband pick your name. And also, I don't 348 00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: think it's fair that if you have decided on a name, 349 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: for anybody to have any sort of voice in that. 350 00:21:18,880 --> 00:21:20,880 Speaker 1: You know, if you're kind of throwing names out there, 351 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: it's okay to say, I mean it's not my favorite, 352 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 1: but I like this one more. That's fine, But you 353 00:21:25,359 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 1: don't need when that name is solid, you know what, 354 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: just let it go. You know what happened with your 355 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: middle name? My mother hated it and we ended up 356 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,119 Speaker 1: because I felt so super guilty and I was so hormonal. 357 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 1: We added another name to your your official name, just 358 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 1: to a piece er, and we totally regretted it and 359 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: we never used it. She didn't like my first name either. 360 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: Did she know she didn't like any of it? Yes? 361 00:21:49,840 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: So the only two people who should be able to 362 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:55,880 Speaker 1: change baby's name, in my opinion, are the parents. I say, 363 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 1: tell them to butt out nicely, firmly or not nicely, 364 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 1: if that's what it takes. The hormones talking. I'm pregnant. 365 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: Can we really wait to decide on name until the 366 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 1: baby is born? Is it true that you just know 367 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: when you see them or know that like that's not 368 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: the right name. Three months ago you see your kids like, 369 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: oh that is not a Freend, that is a Henry. 370 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,679 Speaker 1: You know, it sounds like a movie cliche, but in 371 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:42,080 Speaker 1: fact a surprising number of parents say this. Um, there's 372 00:22:42,119 --> 00:22:45,879 Speaker 1: still the minority by far like need to know ahead 373 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 1: of time, but sometimes, you know, kind of use that 374 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,440 Speaker 1: birth moment to solidify how they feel about a name, 375 00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,800 Speaker 1: to confirm that it fits. Um. Most parents have at 376 00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: least one name picked out already. Some actually do. I've 377 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 1: heard several cass of parents changing the baby's name because 378 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: it didn't fit once they held their baby. Usually they're 379 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: not starting from scratch. Um, they've got a list of contenders. 380 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 1: One thing that's actually I remember giving birth, you were like, 381 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:15,240 Speaker 1: come on, Sebastian's coming. Like it gave me that push 382 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: that I was about to meet a person with a 383 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 1: name rather than just a baby. I don't know for me, 384 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,719 Speaker 1: that was kind of helpful during delivery. Any other tips 385 00:23:24,800 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 1: or things that you know we really should be aware of. 386 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 1: There's an article and was respect dot com with women 387 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: saying what they wish they've known before they picked their 388 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 1: baby names. Some of the biggest takeaways pay attention to 389 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: the initials. Babies with TRD, for instance, as initials. That 390 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 1: sounds like turd, Alyssa Samantha Smiths. That makes an ass 391 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: out of you and me. Amy Schumer remember changed her 392 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:53,280 Speaker 1: baby's name after realizing the gene ATel sounded like genital. 393 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: I'm not mad at that, though, I mean Lennox is 394 00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: lp A little People's Association of America and SETTI is 395 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: s s A, which is Social Security Administration. Oh, you're right, 396 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,960 Speaker 1: that's cute. One mom suggests that don't waste the middle name. 397 00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 1: You might need it one day if you have another 398 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:18,159 Speaker 1: baby of the same gender. Also important, say it out loud. Surprisingly, 399 00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,880 Speaker 1: some parents never end up saying the baby's name out 400 00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 1: wowd they write it down. You know. Something else to 401 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: remember is that you can change your mind. You can 402 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 1: change your mind right up until you signed the birth 403 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: certificate and leave the hospital. Sure, a lot of people 404 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,360 Speaker 1: do that, by the way, like a lot of people, 405 00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,280 Speaker 1: A lot of people do. I know a pair of 406 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 1: parents that debated for two days and finally settled before 407 00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: they were discharged, and another mom on what to expect, 408 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 1: regretted not knowing this because she ended up with a 409 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: name like that she was coming up with under pressure. 410 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: She didn't really like it, but she felt pressured by 411 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:55,160 Speaker 1: the nurses to sign the papers, and so she settled 412 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 1: on it. I'm sure she loves the baby, of course. 413 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:02,440 Speaker 1: Here's my biggest takeaway my baby name. Bottom line, it's 414 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: your decision. It's a lot of pressure anyway to pick 415 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 1: out a name for life, so you have to make 416 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: sure you pick one without added pressure from anyone else. 417 00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,160 Speaker 1: Take your time, be open to change in your mind 418 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:19,080 Speaker 1: when you meet your baby, and don't let anyone tell 419 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: you what to do. It's up to you and your partner. 420 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:25,080 Speaker 1: I have to share one thing that a mom said 421 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: that was just so incredibly sweet. She said, whatever name 422 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: you choose, make sure you feel love, enjoy when you 423 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 1: say it. And for me, that says at all. Once 424 00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:40,640 Speaker 1: everyone holds that sweet baby of yours, the name will 425 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 1: be just as sweet. Baby love, my baby love. I 426 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:55,400 Speaker 1: need you, Oh how I need you. Thanks for listening. 427 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: Remember I'm always here for you. What to Expect is 428 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,880 Speaker 1: always here for you. We are all in this together. 429 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 1: For more on what you heard on today's episode, visit 430 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: what to Expect dot com slash podcast. You can also 431 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: check out What to Expect when You're Expecting, What to 432 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,840 Speaker 1: Expect the First Year, and the What to Expect app. 433 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 1: And we want to hear from you. 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