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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kickoff Live, presented

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Speaker 1: by Coors Light right here on Giants dot Com. I

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Speaker 1: am John Schmelt Demand and I left this Paul to

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Speaker 1: Tino on the phone. Number for you is two one

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Speaker 1: nine four five one three. Every year we do our

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Speaker 1: Bold Predictions show, folks, and this is gonna be it.

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Speaker 1: You want to give us bold predictions on the fifty

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Speaker 1: three or during the regular season, you can, and we

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Speaker 1: make you do it now because they're supposed to be bold,

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Speaker 1: so we want you to have at least as little

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Speaker 1: information as possible. So give us a call before the

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Speaker 1: first preseason game. Give us some of your bowl predictions

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Speaker 1: for the season, for the final fifty three. Whatever you got,

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Speaker 1: we will talk about it right here on Big Blue

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Speaker 1: Kickoff Live. And if we get further rand. If you

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Speaker 1: have a one off call over another show, you want

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Speaker 1: to throw me a bowl prediction, that's fine. We'll put

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Speaker 1: them up on our board tom right here, much like

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Speaker 1: we did the last couple of years. At the end

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Speaker 1: of the year, we will read some of those bold

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Speaker 1: predictions and see which one of us were smart and

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Speaker 1: which one of us were stupid. You really want to

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Speaker 1: go there, how about which one of us misfired, how okay,

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Speaker 1: that's fine, Which one of us like at foresight, and

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Speaker 1: which ones of us cannot see the forest from the trail.

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Speaker 1: Get on the line, give us a call, two one,

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Speaker 1: five on three, hashtag giants chat on Twitter. I'll get

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Speaker 1: to your tweets with those bold predictions as well. But

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Speaker 1: before we get to all that, let's discuss some of

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Speaker 1: the news today. Paul and we had to go back

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Speaker 1: to practice yesterday and we had a chance to speak

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Speaker 1: to Pat Shermer and Offensive Quartering or Mike Shula today,

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Speaker 1: and I think as much as it's been a news

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Speaker 1: all offseason, I think we've tried to kind of avoid

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Speaker 1: focusing them on so far in camp. But I think

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Speaker 1: it's time is the quarterback position. And Mike Schula was

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Speaker 1: effusive of his praise on Daniel Jones today. He was

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Speaker 1: even more effusive on his praise of Eli Manning on

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Speaker 1: how good he's looked. And just give me your take

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Speaker 1: on what you heard from Shua today. And of course

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Speaker 1: we go back to yesterday. Maybe the best throw we've

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Speaker 1: seen all summer from any of the quarterbacks. Daniel Jones

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Speaker 1: had a great deep pass to Paul Perkins down the

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Speaker 1: what their quarterbacks have done so far in practice. Well,

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Speaker 1: the the two guys have really brought forth a lot

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Speaker 1: of accolades for two different reasons. Eli because of his

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Speaker 1: arm strength and the way he's zipping the ball also

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Speaker 1: appears to be a lot more accurate as well, because

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Speaker 1: he does have more mustard and more spin on the ball,

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Speaker 1: that's the take on the veteran. The take on the

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Speaker 1: than maybe some would have anticipated. He throws a much

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Speaker 1: better deep ball than most people have anticipated. All all

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Speaker 1: the giants say that they knew all long he could

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Speaker 1: the critics certainly are are quite surprised to this point.

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Speaker 1: And I think the other thing about Daniel Jones that

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Speaker 1: He's real good about finding out what's wrong, admitting that

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Speaker 1: that because, let's face it, the fewer times he repeats

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Speaker 1: accelerated fashion. And even accelerated rookies and good rookies pull

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Speaker 1: raise the expectation level to where if he doesn't come

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Speaker 1: first you know, game action, regular season, preseason, even not

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Speaker 1: even good in his first season. You know, you look

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Speaker 1: and frankly even happens to a lot of veterans after

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Speaker 1: would like to during these practices. I can even take

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Speaker 1: that another layer, John, because the thing that I've seen

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Speaker 1: sprinkle throughout his summer camp is that as a professional quarterback,

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Speaker 1: your window to throw a ball in closes a lot

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Speaker 1: And along exactly what you said to take it to

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Speaker 1: I think it was Kenny Ladler on the player who's

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Speaker 1: You expect that sort of stars, of course. Look here's

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Speaker 1: And he has an internal time clock that indicates to him, Okay,

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Speaker 1: It's gonna take him a tremendous amount of snaps before

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Speaker 1: That's just the nature of the game. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: it'll be a further adjustment when he gets into games

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Speaker 1: That's faster than what he did in college. You know

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Speaker 1: what's faster than all that stuff. Games. Yes, so it's

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Speaker 1: The way I called it was you say millisecond, I

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Speaker 1: absolutely nothing wrong with that. These are not blemishes, These

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Speaker 1: These are things that are expected and almost required as

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Speaker 1: Phil Simms was here yesterday, John, we both had a

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Speaker 1: So that's where we stand. I I stick with everything

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Speaker 1: And of course like we've said a million times, none

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Speaker 1: in your bold predictions for the season. Something you want

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Speaker 1: through the bold predictions. Who was right and who was wrong?

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Speaker 1: And again I'll take them in at hashtag giants chat

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Speaker 1: your bold predictions. I don't want to say goodbye to

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Speaker 1: even when he had Peter straighter. I I'm surtimes we're

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00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:57,000
Speaker 1: not talking more about the right tackle battle with Wheel

432
00:22:57,200 --> 00:23:00,200
Speaker 1: and well c J, c J, honestly, do do you

433
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,760
Speaker 1: know why we're not. It's been a pretty it's it's

434
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,440
Speaker 1: been a pretty one sided battle. Ramors is doing that. Well,

435
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,679
Speaker 1: that's that's a good thing. Yeah, yeah, in in my opinion,

436
00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 1: and Paul, I've even even talked about this. I want

437
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 1: to get yours. I think Remors has been significantly better.

438
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 1: And that's him going against the ones and Wheel are

439
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 1: going against the twos. There's there's really no point to

440
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: even discuss that further. It's good to hear sometimes I

441
00:23:24,160 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 1: have anything but the send the battle either what's about

442
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,720
Speaker 1: the open the line? And we're not getting much news

443
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,120
Speaker 1: about the omens the line besides this, you guys just said,

444
00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: and what do they tell you? What do they tell you?

445
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: The more that the more that you talk about an

446
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 1: offensive line, the worst it probably is. The less you

447
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,280
Speaker 1: hear about them, the better they probably are. And see

448
00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 1: you I'll say about the center battle and how Appo

449
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 1: is getting more work with the Ones than Pully. One

450
00:23:50,240 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 1: thing that how Hunter said yesterday, was there trying to

451
00:23:54,040 --> 00:23:57,359
Speaker 1: get Pulley two sessions with the Ones during each craft

452
00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 1: is getting a little bit of a run. And they're

453
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:01,879
Speaker 1: different types of players. This is how how Hunter kind

454
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:03,240
Speaker 1: of how Hunter I thought it was really good in

455
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,159
Speaker 1: his mediapability yesterday, and he really describes c J well,

456
00:24:06,200 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: how the guys are different. Hal Appeal is the more

457
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 1: powerful guy, more physically gifted. Polley's more of the cerebral guy.

458
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: Us this technique in positioning, you know, and that's kind

459
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 1: of how they're different. So I think because Halapio is

460
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: the more physical player, I think he has the leg up.

461
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 1: But I think they have a lot of trust and

462
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 1: Spencer Pulley or if they have to put him in

463
00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 1: there to play, they'll be very happy to do it.

464
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 1: It's an open battle. Hall Inter said is going to

465
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 1: go throughout the entire preseason. I look forward to seeing

466
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Speaker 1: what's happening. But simply based on reps, I think right

467
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 1: now Hal Appeal is probably a little bit ahead of Pulley.

468
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: I agree with that. I think how I was saying

469
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: it was very likely that after three preseason games, he

470
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 1: said the right by that. But but those traits to

471
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: me and I've seen it, so it's not like I'm

472
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: pulling this out of thin air. The more boxier, powerful

473
00:24:52,560 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 1: guy is more of the run blocker, and the technique

474
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 1: guy in Pulley is actually the better past protector, unless

475
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: you're only with the power rush, in which case you

476
00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:05,200
Speaker 1: might want to have the heavier guy understood, and that

477
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 1: depends on your matchup. I'm just talking about the traits

478
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: and the skills and the advantages that each guy would

479
00:25:11,280 --> 00:25:14,560
Speaker 1: pose over the other guy. They really are like apples

480
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 1: and oranges. They were a little bit of a different

481
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: style of center um and I said yesterday on the

482
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 1: show John I know you weren't here. I told Lance,

483
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 1: I said, think about Pully is he's played more games

484
00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: as a starting center in the NFL that Halapio has. Obvious,

485
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 1: don't even say center, just started a lot more. I

486
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: mean how many games as Halipio started three exactly. So

487
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:37,720
Speaker 1: for me, for me and I looked at the body

488
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: of work that Pully put on tape during the second

489
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: half of last season, and I was very pleased with it.

490
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 1: So for me, it's kind of if it ain't broke,

491
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 1: don't fix it. I didn't think his spot was broken,

492
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 1: so that was not a position on the offensive line

493
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 1: that I was really yearning to upgrade. But Halapio, by

494
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,159
Speaker 1: the way eight career starts, I apologize he as she

495
00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: started six games whole, sixteen games starting. I don't want

496
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 1: to short change. I don't want to short sure. So

497
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 1: in any event I've I've made my preference known, but

498
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: it's strictly because of what I have seen. I witness accounts.

499
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 1: Polly played well the second half of last season, right

500
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 1: a sweet anything else, se j oh, I hope you

501
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: guys are right about the decence this year. I hope

502
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: we don't see multiple secondary guys as just stow along.

503
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,879
Speaker 1: Let's hope aout de lion does what it does because

504
00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: three years old, I've been spoiled from Keith Hampton Michael

505
00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:39,080
Speaker 1: straighthand I see I've been spoiled, and it's been a

506
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,320
Speaker 1: real bad couple of years, and we need more sounds good.

507
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,680
Speaker 1: Appreciate the call of my friend good stuff. By the way,

508
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 1: he just mentioned this, and I gotta bring it up.

509
00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,160
Speaker 1: And now it's a stupid list online and they're trying

510
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 1: to troll for attention and I shouldn't bring it up,

511
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: but annoyed me. And actually our buddy Sam Monson from

512
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus is when that retweeted and also commented

513
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 1: how ridiculous it was. Yes, Yahoo Sports posted a list

514
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: the most tortured NFL fan bases. They had the Giants

515
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 1: at number one. It was the dumbest thing I've ever

516
00:27:13,359 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: seen be besides, by the way, and I went and

517
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 1: I counted, besides the Patriots, no team has one or

518
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:24,440
Speaker 1: gone to more Super Bowls than the Giants in the

519
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:31,240
Speaker 1: past twelve seasons. But the Giants our number one. Well,

520
00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: what the hell are you guys doing? Really? I have

521
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:43,119
Speaker 1: no response. I mean, how about the Raiders? How are

522
00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: the Giants more tortured than the freaking Raiders. The team's

523
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 1: literally moving, they're leaving their fans. Not number one last year,

524
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 1: last year. And if i'm I don't want to be

525
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: wrong on the US, but last year we went to

526
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: Detroit for a preseason game and if you remember, we

527
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,800
Speaker 1: were in the booth before the pregame show and I said, John,

528
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 1: look at that batner up there, and it was the

529
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: last Detroit Lions. I guess their last division title was

530
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,880
Speaker 1: like nineteen thirty six or something like that. And I said,

531
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: my goodness, I'm surprised the malls haven't eaten. There are

532
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: teams that haven't won a playoff game in like fifteen.

533
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it was just something that I saw,

534
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: and I'm like, this might be the look. I get it.

535
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:31,639
Speaker 1: People put up stuff to get attention and then to

536
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 1: get clicks. But it was just one of them, literally

537
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 1: and it's Twitter, so that's saying something. It was one

538
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: of the dumbest things I've ever seen. Clickbat alert, clickbat alert.

539
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 1: Who Christ Chris in Houston, Texas is up next? Hey, Chris,

540
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: It's always a pleasure to speak to you. I'll get

541
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: to my ball prediction and my question at a second.

542
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: But John, I just listened to you guys, you Paul,

543
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: you guys, big bold kick off and uh and big blues.

544
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,840
Speaker 1: That's all because there's just so much garbage out there,

545
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: and what you were just saying about Giants fans being torture,

546
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: I agree with you, um, but at any rate, my

547
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: bold projection, I don't think eight wins is a bold projection.

548
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 1: That's actually my expectation if I had money on it. Yeah,

549
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: of course I agree. I I was gonna say that

550
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 1: after Joe hung up, but I didn't. I didn't even

551
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,200
Speaker 1: write it down. Eight wins is not a bold prediction. No,

552
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,560
Speaker 1: not at all. That's that's nothing bold about that unless

553
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 1: unless unless you believe in all the clickbait that's out

554
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: there Vegas is there's six and a half right for

555
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 1: the overall dition, but even one and a half winds

556
00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: off of the over far that's not bold. But you

557
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: know what, and I'm digressing here, Maybe Giants fans are

558
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: the most tortured fans in the league because they've got

559
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: to read all the garbage enough. Get are you done

560
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: the hell? Yes, I'm okay, thank you. Let's go, Chris,

561
00:29:51,400 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: go ahead, Okay, Um, so bold for me this season,

562
00:29:56,760 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: I'll say nine wins. Um, that's gonna be my bold.

563
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: But my my question to you, as I was really curious.

564
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:06,320
Speaker 1: I think Golden Payton and I'm really like you, guys,

565
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure really disappointed what happened with him with this

566
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 1: pending suspension the the what I read was and correctly

567
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: from wrong. If it is upheld, which I believe it will,

568
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: he might lose out on around seven million on next

569
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,640
Speaker 1: year's salary. Uh. Will that be counted against the salary

570
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 1: cap next year? Or if that's upheld as well, that

571
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:32,520
Speaker 1: frees up seven plus million dollars. It was curious about that, Chris,

572
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 1: That's a really good question. I have not asked anybody

573
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: here or looked at the details of the contract myself.

574
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 1: Do you know what provision in the contract cost him

575
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 1: that money? Is it a game's play thing? Is it incentives?

576
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: What what takes that money away? I have no idea.

577
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: I was just curious just because, Yeah, as optimistic as

578
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: I am to this season, I'm very very excited about

579
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: the potential cap space that we have the next season.

580
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 1: That's why you know, getting getting out of here eight

581
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: eight nine in seven and then comp next year with

582
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: that cap space, you know, the right of sunshine on Chris.

583
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:10,080
Speaker 1: You know that that's a business question for another day,

584
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 1: but I will say this, given what the Giants have

585
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: and guaranteed numbers going into the two thousand twenty season,

586
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: as you've probably no doubt heard over the last few months,

587
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: they are actually a very good shape cap wise, given

588
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: what they are on the books for now. So regardless

589
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: of whether or not there is money that could come off,

590
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: they are in good shape even if it stays so

591
00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: I wouldn't necessarily be, you know, losing sleep over this

592
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: at all. Okay, all right, well, I'll definitely touch based

593
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: with you before we got kep off the season. But

594
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: I was just curious about that. Thanks everything everything you

595
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,240
Speaker 1: guys do. Appreciate that, Chris, thank you, and I have

596
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: your nine wins written down here. Yeah. I had heard

597
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:54,040
Speaker 1: in passing something about that too. With the money, I

598
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: don't know what the details are on that. I'm pretty

599
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: good with contract stuff, but I just did a quick

600
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: Google search. I don't see any stories written specifically about,

601
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,320
Speaker 1: you know, where that money would would come out of,

602
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 1: because it just seems weird to me that that much

603
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: money could be involved in a losing four games. It

604
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me, So honestly,

605
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. Somebody had called up

606
00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: yesterday's show and said that they had thought that the

607
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: suspension would trigger his loss of whatever guarantees he was

608
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 1: supposed to get next season. Well, but I don't want

609
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 1: the money stay there. But again, not to talk about

610
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: this because we don't know, don't contractual law. It's a

611
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: good point, and it's best that we don't even discuss it.

612
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: But the point has been asked of us. We're going

613
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: to simply tell you we don't know, yes, and don't

614
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: worry about the Giants cap situation in the twenty twenty

615
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 1: off season now, because right now it's already good. If

616
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,240
Speaker 1: you have more money, is it better? Sure, But don't

617
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 1: let that be the the you know, thrust of what

618
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:59,280
Speaker 1: your thoughts are at this point in the nineteen off season.

619
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Speaker 1: Right but for the season begins, Let's go back to

620
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 1: our busy phones. You have a called open lines, folks

621
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: getting with your bold predictions. Robin Florida has his what's

622
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: up Robbie? Hi? How are you doing guys? Great? Here's

623
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: my bold prediction for you in the first four games

624
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: of this year's season, the Giants will use more two

625
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:25,400
Speaker 1: and three tight end sets than three wide receiver sets.

626
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: That that is actually a very bold prediction. I like that. Wow, Yeah,

627
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 1: that's certainly out of left field. I wouldn't. I wouldn't.

628
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 1: I wouldn't argue with you there when you think about

629
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: the nature of the roster right now, the wide receiver

630
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: hips that we've taken and the up and coming tight

631
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: ends that we've got going on, I could see them

632
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 1: using Conrad and Ingram and you know, either Simonson or

633
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: the other tight end and free tight end set. The

634
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: first thing you got to figure out is will they

635
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 1: keep a fullback that will have a dramatic impact on

636
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 1: if they would even consider using a three tight end set?

637
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,279
Speaker 1: Does ali Jah Penny who right now? I believe John

638
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: Isn't he really classified as the only fullback on the ninety.

639
00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 1: That's correct, And I know we had kind of talked

640
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 1: about whether or not they could use Rod Smith in

641
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: that role. They have not, so Elijah Penny's it at

642
00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: that spot. So once that's determined, maybe your bull prediction

643
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,239
Speaker 1: takes on a different light. Now I will say this

644
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 1: I happen to agree with Rob, and I said this

645
00:34:30,400 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: last week when we talked about the potential looming Golden

646
00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: Take suspension. Hopefully, by the way, you get word on

647
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: that appeal and everything sooner rather than later. There is

648
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 1: no timeline on it, by the way, But I think

649
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 1: the way the team deals with that, Paul, quite honestly,

650
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 1: is you use more twelve personnel, and you don't put

651
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 1: three wide receivers out there. You turn into a you know,

652
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:53,440
Speaker 1: you you run your first second down plays that a

653
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: big personnel and you can pass out of those on

654
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 1: play action things like that. So I'm with Rob on

655
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: the theme of his idea. It's just that, you know,

656
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: even the teams that use eleven personnel the least still

657
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: run it, probably more than fifty of the time. So

658
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 1: that would be a real big swing the other way, Rob.

659
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: But I like where you're going with it, all right.

660
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: Good luck to you. Hey, thank you, Rob, good stuff.

661
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: Appreciate the call. You know, I'll tell you something else

662
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 1: that's interesting too. Uh. You know, I'm a big fan

663
00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 1: of the Jumbo package in short yourtage and goal line situations.

664
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 1: I haven't really seen them do anything like that. You

665
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 1: were like with an extra offensive lineman. I haven't seen it, haven't.

666
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: Then again, they haven't really run nine on seven full

667
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:42,400
Speaker 1: speed goal line either, so well we know that the

668
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 1: goal line headbanging stuff is out anyway. Yeah, I think

669
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 1: that's gonna have to be something you look for in

670
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,440
Speaker 1: preseason games, and we may not even see it in preseason.

671
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,439
Speaker 1: We may only see it once the regular season starts.

672
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,400
Speaker 1: It'll be interesting to see if it does show up.

673
00:35:54,680 --> 00:35:57,839
Speaker 1: It is something that I've always favored. But maybe they will,

674
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: maybe they won't. Charlie and Borland. Every call Charlie has

675
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: contains a bold prediction, whether he likes to admit it

676
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 1: or not. Hi, Charlie, good line, John, Charlie, pick up

677
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:17,440
Speaker 1: your phone. What are you like yelling from across the room? Yea, Charlie.

678
00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 1: Charlie going once, Charlie going twice, Charlie callback your phone

679
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,719
Speaker 1: line sticks bold prediction. I will not take him when

680
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: he comes back on. I think I think his string

681
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:37,080
Speaker 1: and paper cup. I think he had maybe he actually

682
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 1: had the tinfoil hat on. He was trying to talk

683
00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: into it, so it wasn't getting to the phone. Okay,

684
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: two oh one four five one three, Charlie, I kid.

685
00:36:46,920 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: You know I love you, buddy. Let's go to letting glove,

686
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: the umbrella, these other decks. Hey, lead, Hey guys, how

687
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 1: you doing good to hear from you. How are you doing?

688
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 1: All right? Here's my here's my bold prediction, and then

689
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 1: we'll get into wins. It's a little different bold prediction.

690
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,799
Speaker 1: But listen, I told you guys back in in early February,

691
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: that's only four of the nine offensive lineman that finished

692
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,600
Speaker 1: the season with the Giants, eight on the regular roster,

693
00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: on the fifty three and one on I r p O.

694
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: Of those nine players, only four of them would be back.

695
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: And we'll we'll see what happens before this, uh, you know,

696
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:30,839
Speaker 1: before the season starts this year. Um. You know, as

697
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 1: a fan, UM, I can't. I can't go into any

698
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: season saying that the Giants are gonna be less than

699
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,640
Speaker 1: eight and eight. I just, I just I can't bring

700
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 1: myself to it. So I'm thinking eight and eight. But

701
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:48,040
Speaker 1: the realist in me, guys, when I look at this roster, Um,

702
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: Barkley gets us, you know, Barkley get maybe we're you know,

703
00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:01,520
Speaker 1: maybe with twenty seven, best team in the league. I mean, jeez,

704
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: this this roster is just not that strong. We just

705
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 1: need a few more bricks. We need another good draft.

706
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:10,400
Speaker 1: I think we got a good one with this one,

707
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: and we got the transition in place. Somewhere along the line.

708
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 1: This is going to take place. You don't know what

709
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: transition I'm talking about. And I think Dave is doing

710
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 1: a you know, I think he's doing a positive job.

711
00:38:20,680 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: I I just think. I I look at this roster

712
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: and let me let me finish off. Although I haven't

713
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:28,960
Speaker 1: heard much from you guys about what I've said, but

714
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: let me let me propose a trade. I'm calling Buffalo

715
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:37,720
Speaker 1: today and I'm offering either Pulley or how Appeal, whichever

716
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: one brings me the higher draft choice, and it's probably

717
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: gonna be it would probably be upmost about a seven um.

718
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 1: It would be a seven UM. I'd offer that they

719
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 1: lost their starting center who they were bringing in. And

720
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:53,600
Speaker 1: and listen, if we can't get a draft choice for

721
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: either one of those guys, if we can't get a

722
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 1: seven for either one, we're in deeper trouble than we

723
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 1: think we are. I'm sorry, No, that's okay, that's okay.

724
00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: Let um, I think let's pall and I react to

725
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 1: your first point because and and and I'll and I'll

726
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: react this way. Last year, this team was the seven

727
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 1: or best team in the league. I mean, they drafted six, right,

728
00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: so let's put them around twenty six, right, give or take.

729
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,279
Speaker 1: I think even with losing O'Dell Lenn, I think the

730
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 1: improvement in the offensive line off sets that to an extent.

731
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: And yeah, the defense is problematic, but I feel like

732
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 1: having been in the second in the same system for

733
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:35,319
Speaker 1: a second time, I think this. And by the way,

734
00:39:35,400 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 1: if you look at the point differential, I think this

735
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 1: was really more of a six win team than a

736
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,239
Speaker 1: five win team last year, just based on point differential,

737
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: I think this team has made incremental improvements. If this

738
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 1: team doesn't win seven this year, I would be disappointed. Okay,

739
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 1: can I can I respond? Of course? Go ahead, Okay, um,

740
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 1: I know you know what I've said in the past

741
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: about Hell. I've said this in the past, O'Dell helps

742
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:09,080
Speaker 1: you win four more games four. I just don't see.

743
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,439
Speaker 1: I just don't see the kinds of wide I don't

744
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:16,160
Speaker 1: see the wide receivers on this roster that can make

745
00:40:16,239 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: up what we're gonna lose from Odell. I mean, and

746
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,720
Speaker 1: I'm not arguing with the reasons why he got traded

747
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: anything like that. He's not there. How about this real

748
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: important thing? And I think that's gonna hold this back significant? Yeah, yeah,

749
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: real fast and Odell. It doesn't have to be one

750
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: guy that makes up for him, though you have Golden Tate,

751
00:40:37,160 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: who let's say he's gonna give you what se of

752
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: the production? Is that fair? Seventif take? I think I

753
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: think the increased usage of Evan Ingram and we saw

754
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: it in the final four games last year and O'Dell

755
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: wasn't on the field, he literally doubled his production. I

756
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 1: think that will cut into that other thirty percent. Now,

757
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: your point is gonna be and it's a fair one

758
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:03,840
Speaker 1: that those guys don't offer the big explosive plays that Oldell.

759
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 1: That is an absolutely fair point. I will not argue

760
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,439
Speaker 1: with it. And that's why I think and I brought

761
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: this up a lot, you know me, I'm all about

762
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,880
Speaker 1: big plays. You need big plays to score points in

763
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 1: this league. Can the Giants get enough big plays through

764
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: the air this year to make the offense consistent enough?

765
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 1: And I think that is a fair question heading into

766
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,759
Speaker 1: the show. We've spent five minutes earlier in this show

767
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: talking about the offensive lines impact on ELI and also

768
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: the receivers. Land. You've obviously not been listening to that

769
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 1: part of the show because you've totally discounted that. No,

770
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,919
Speaker 1: I did, I've been listening to the whole show. Pall

771
00:41:39,080 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: can can I respond to the Evan Evan Ingram got

772
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: comments on Absolutely, we got we got talk to that

773
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: have real quickly. You know, we've been saying we've been

774
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:51,320
Speaker 1: expecting Evan England this We're going into our third season

775
00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: and we've been expecting Evan Ingram to make a difference

776
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: sound going into the third Show me, Evan, that's fair,

777
00:41:57,719 --> 00:41:59,800
Speaker 1: show me, that's fair. I get a feeling I'm just

778
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 1: starting to get a feeling about Evan England that three

779
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: years from now, we're gonna be talking about, now, what

780
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: was the best you know, we're gonna be arguing about

781
00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,040
Speaker 1: what the best position was for Evan England. I mean,

782
00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,240
Speaker 1: we keep you know, we can't play wide receiver, shouldn't

783
00:42:13,239 --> 00:42:16,600
Speaker 1: play wide receiver, can't play tight ancacy, can't block. You know,

784
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: he's gonna go up to see how many times have

785
00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: we seen him go up to see him and catch

786
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: along past and take it to the house and he

787
00:42:22,680 --> 00:42:25,640
Speaker 1: was still waiting for you gotta protect your quarterback and

788
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,399
Speaker 1: throw the deep one up the scene. And by the way,

789
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: let me say this, if everything and we stay healthy,

790
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a good receiver. The question is can

791
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:34,839
Speaker 1: he stay healthy? That to me is the biggest question

792
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:36,360
Speaker 1: for England, whether he can stay on the field of

793
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: if he's on the field, he's and you throw to him,

794
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 1: he's gonna make plays through the air. Well. He significantly

795
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: reduced his drops last season and did a really really

796
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: really good job working on that, and I and I

797
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: give him a lot of credit for it. But can

798
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: he stay healthy? Well, he said the other day that

799
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:54,520
Speaker 1: you know, his number one goal this year is to

800
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 1: play sixteen and if he and if he does, he's

801
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 1: gonna be productive. Like, I have no problem with Lenn

802
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: doubting that Ingram will be healthy enough to produce at

803
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 1: the level that he expects. That's a fair question. And

804
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,920
Speaker 1: I don't blame you for being nervous about that. And

805
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: and by the way, I am too, Okay, I'm sure

806
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: everybody in this organization would like to see Evan Ingram

807
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: produced as the number one pick they drafted. Absolutely who

808
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:23,839
Speaker 1: would who would not? Because he has it in him.

809
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: But but at the same time, Lenn is ignoring all

810
00:43:29,000 --> 00:43:32,120
Speaker 1: of the other factors that we have discussed. Obviously, the

811
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:34,799
Speaker 1: improvement in Barkley and how they're going to use him.

812
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: We've we've addressed the offensive line situation. Elis told the

813
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,880
Speaker 1: ball better than he has in years. The entire passing

814
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 1: game is going to be uplifted by what the offensive

815
00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 1: line does. He He's he's leaving all of those factors

816
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,160
Speaker 1: out and simply saying, Okay, we're not sure about Ingram,

817
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 1: Beckham's not here, can't make enough big plays. Oh, doom

818
00:43:56,280 --> 00:44:01,320
Speaker 1: and gloom, Lenn. That is so shortsighted. I'm shocked, especially

819
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,040
Speaker 1: from a guy who says he's been rooting for the

820
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:06,400
Speaker 1: Giant since the late fifties and sixties. Man, you have

821
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 1: seen some bad rosters in your Giant fandom. You know

822
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:14,480
Speaker 1: you've seen some bad rosters. The plane that flew overhead

823
00:44:14,520 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: the Meadowlands told you about all the years that you

824
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: saw bad rosters. Okay, this roster does not look or

825
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: smell like anything that you had to go through during

826
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: those down years. Now, I'm sorry, Land, that's that's way

827
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:32,280
Speaker 1: out of line. I will say this if Tate misses

828
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: the first four games, and something happens to Shepherd in

829
00:44:35,600 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: addition to the thumb, and they're missing both their top

830
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: two wivers. That's a different story. I don't care here

831
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 1: your offensive line. Different story, that's a problem. Different story,

832
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 1: fair enough, But right now we have every reason to

833
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:49,360
Speaker 1: believe that Shepherd is gonna be there even if Tate's not.

834
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:51,320
Speaker 1: And if I and if and if you have Shepherd

835
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 1: Ingraman Barkley, you need take to be elite in that

836
00:44:56,160 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 1: skill position or are better in that skill position category.

837
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: But those three guys are enough enough to be adequate.

838
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: I will add one thing, and one thing only that

839
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: actually backs somewhat what Lynn was saying. I believe the

840
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:13,520
Speaker 1: Giants are one more off season away three three step

841
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:19,120
Speaker 1: level plan. It was clean out, it was improved, and

842
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: then third step was reinforce. I believe that next year,

843
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 1: with one more solid Dave Gettleman off season, next year,

844
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 1: you won't be talking about can the Giants possibly sniff

845
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:36,040
Speaker 1: and make a playoff spot and steal one from somebody?

846
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,840
Speaker 1: You'll be talking about, are the Giants division champs? And

847
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: what seed might they be? I really believe that, but

848
00:45:43,120 --> 00:45:44,800
Speaker 1: they're not there yet. That should be the goal. But

849
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 1: it also depends on what's going on the quarterback position too.

850
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,799
Speaker 1: If Daniel Jones is playing in his first year, then

851
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, who knows what the rookie quarterback?

852
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 1: But I agree, assuming everything else stays the way it's

853
00:45:56,840 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 1: gonna be, and I have no idea what it's gonna

854
00:45:58,360 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: look like, I would assume Jones is gonna be in

855
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: some way shape before maybe he's not. Who knows. That

856
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,879
Speaker 1: was the goal to me, the goal year, this year

857
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: and now and now this is me the organization and

858
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 1: the players and the coaches, and I might get ye

859
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 1: know that for this they're they're they're thinking playoffs For

860
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 1: me personally, great, I'd be very happy with that, But

861
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 1: the expectations in the building are a lot higher. I

862
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:24,399
Speaker 1: can guarantee you that. But that, to me, to your point,

863
00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: is the incremental process we're talking about four five on three.

864
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 1: Let's see if Charlie got the tinfoil hat off. Hey Charlie,

865
00:46:32,640 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: Hey guys, how are you Hey fixed the battery in

866
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 1: this phone? Yes I did. I had to walk away

867
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: for a minute. Hey, look, Disney, these are my predictions. Okay,

868
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:44,760
Speaker 1: there's multiple ones. Oh boy, Okay, Oh yeah, I think

869
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: I think Wesley is gonna make three. I think Avery

870
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: Moss is going to make the fifty three. I think

871
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 1: we're gonna get fifty plus facts this year. Well whoa

872
00:46:55,480 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 1: fifty Yeah. And Eli Manning is going to be an

873
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,360
Speaker 1: m v P this year. Whether he gets the m

874
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,520
Speaker 1: v P, he's gonna be one of the guys they're

875
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: gonna be talking about. How about this. He will get

876
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 1: a vote on the m vv on the m v

877
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,439
Speaker 1: P ballot. Is that a fair way to put it? Yeah,

878
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 1: he'll be the you know, he'll be one two or

879
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:19,760
Speaker 1: three for the m v P. We're gonna go eleven

880
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: and five year Barkley on the team, even if the

881
00:47:22,680 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: Giants win a division title and win eleven games. Just

882
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: let him go, Barkley, Just let him go go ahead ahead,

883
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: all right? Sorry, he keep going, keep going. I'm telling

884
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 1: you he's gonna have a year this year that's gonna

885
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,120
Speaker 1: blow everyone's mind. Eli is going to take us to

886
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: the playoffs. They're gonna be eleven and five and the

887
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: Super Bowl is going to be Cleveland against the New

888
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:52,720
Speaker 1: York Giants. You want bold, I'm giving your bowls, Okay,

889
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: Charlie go ahead, get a shop, finish up. It's okay,

890
00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 1: you have one more? Is it to beat? It will

891
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 1: be He's going to the Hall of Fame, right, he

892
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 1: will be on the fifty three in New York. I

893
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,759
Speaker 1: don't think he'll be the Giants. He will be on

894
00:48:09,800 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 1: the New York Jet. Charlie, I'll send the guys over

895
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:15,320
Speaker 1: with the straight jacket. At least he didn't place my

896
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:19,480
Speaker 1: canting because I thought that's where he was going. I

897
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 1: don't even know what to start on that for the defense,

898
00:48:22,520 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 1: just that that that one, to me, is the most outrageous.

899
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: Although I really believe if the Giants do wind up

900
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: double digit wins and and become, you know, division champion

901
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,359
Speaker 1: and and obviously a playoff team, you'd have to put

902
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: your money on Barkley being the guy who drives that bus,

903
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: wouldn't you, John, Yeah, I think that's a fair point.

904
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:50,239
Speaker 1: So anyway, oh boy, I need another Jimmy seconds. I

905
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 1: think Jimmy and King's Park will bring us back to reality. Hi, Jimmy,

906
00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 1: we're great. Thank you for calling. Before I give my

907
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: bold prediction, I do want to give kudos to two people.

908
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 1: I've been listening to the show for three or four

909
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 1: years now, and I'll pull the Tino. When I first

910
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 1: start listening to the show, he wanted Brandon Sheriff, he

911
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 1: was an All Pro. He wanted Conklin, he was an

912
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: All Pro, and he wanted uh say Kwon Barkley. Obviously

913
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:24,040
Speaker 1: he was an All Pro. Now in fairness, and I

914
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: love Paul. Conklin's fifth year option was not picked up,

915
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 1: so that is a knock on, but overall knee injury

916
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 1: and they got three very good years out of the guy.

917
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 1: And uh, you know, he was a walk on, and

918
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:39,279
Speaker 1: I think all those walkns have a chip on this show.

919
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: But so I will give h pulled the Tino kudos

920
00:49:42,239 --> 00:49:46,799
Speaker 1: for those three picks. I'm also gonna get he's been

921
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,439
Speaker 1: saying from day one that the offensive line has been bad,

922
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: and I think the one of the main reason why

923
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,279
Speaker 1: the Giants have been bad in the last two years

924
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,839
Speaker 1: because of the offensive line. So I will give him

925
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 1: props for that. Uh. In terms of life prediction, I'm

926
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: gonna say nine and seven, and I will say that

927
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: specifically for this reason. Although Daniel Jones is not playing

928
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: this year, we got two first round picks out of

929
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: the draft. You got the brill Peppers, so it was

930
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 1: a first rounder. We got Kevin Zeitler the first rounder,

931
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: and you've got Golden Pate who was another first rounder.

932
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 1: There might be somebody else in there, but that's I

933
00:50:23,480 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: have to believe that with five first round draft picks

934
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:30,960
Speaker 1: added to this team, plus these young cornerbacks that we

935
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:33,120
Speaker 1: got in the second, third, and fourth round to have

936
00:50:33,200 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 1: a strange feeling. Out of the four guys that we got,

937
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,600
Speaker 1: we got a hit on two out of four of

938
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:42,399
Speaker 1: those guys, and for that reason alone, I think nine

939
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 1: and seven is definitely feasible. And I also, um the

940
00:50:47,600 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 1: one thing I do want to add to this, if

941
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: you guys can, please remind the twenty year old kids

942
00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: and the third year old, the thirty year old young

943
00:50:56,080 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 1: men that all the talk about the line Manning having

944
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:06,719
Speaker 1: a week m please remind them that Shad Pennington he

945
00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: beat Peyton Manning in the playoffs. I believe the score

946
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: was three one to nothing. All right, Jimmy hold on though,

947
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,279
Speaker 1: I gotta stop you right there, because you said a

948
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:19,919
Speaker 1: lot of things that made sense. But here's the difference there.

949
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: That Jets defense, that Rex Ryan Jets defense was actually

950
00:51:24,520 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: one of the top five in the league. They were

951
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 1: very dominant and they knew exactly what they were doing.

952
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:31,920
Speaker 1: It was ground and pound on offense, and it was

953
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 1: a terrific Rex Ryan oriented defense. Was that Thomas Jones?

954
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 1: I think it was? I remember if he was it

955
00:51:40,560 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: might have been it might have been him at that point.

956
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,879
Speaker 1: But so so, this Giants team is not at all

957
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 1: built in any way, shape or forms similarly to what

958
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 1: that Jets team put on the field that year. So

959
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 1: that's you don't go there. Please don't misunderstand me, Paul.

960
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:00,800
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that Eli Manning, he's a Manning, for

961
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: God's sake, he has two Super Bowl victories under his belt. God,

962
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 1: he's smart, he knows what he's doing. Chad Pennington, don't

963
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: You can't even compare the two people's arms, and no

964
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 1: matter how you slight to them, Chad Pennington, I don't

965
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: know if you put a fay one point, but by Dolly,

966
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,120
Speaker 1: the final score in that point game was forty. What

967
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,840
Speaker 1: the nothing? I could be a world but it was.

968
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 1: It was. It was a big number. Thank you, Jenny,

969
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: and I have a feeling, I have a feeling the

970
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 1: Giants can do well. What do you want? Manning? Have

971
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: a great day, you too, buddy, appreciate the call. Good stuff.

972
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: He doesn't have to sell me out, Eli, that's for sure.

973
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 1: You know how I feel about that. Giants. I got

974
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:44,280
Speaker 1: two Bowl predictions on Twitter, Paul, and see if anymore

975
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: came in. But I'll read these first. And we're running

976
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:47,320
Speaker 1: out of town. Yeah, I know we are. That's what

977
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: I want to get to him quick. At Toby gleash

978
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 1: Tate will have one thousand plus yards this year despite

979
00:52:53,160 --> 00:52:57,759
Speaker 1: missing the first four games. That's bold, I think so yeah.

980
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,799
Speaker 1: I mean, he's done it three times in his career

981
00:53:00,160 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: to do it in twelve something. At Book D two,

982
00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 1: he's got four here. Manning will be sacked fewer than

983
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,400
Speaker 1: twenty five times. I like that one. I don't know

984
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: that that's so bold, because to be honest with you,

985
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 1: I'm thinking it will probably be between twenty four and

986
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,240
Speaker 1: twenty seven, which is kind of in the mid twenties.

987
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,359
Speaker 1: This way. Less than twenty five would be a big

988
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: change from the last three or four years, seven last year.

989
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: That would be a welcome development. That's why I qualified,

990
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 1: as in most of Eli's years when they've had an

991
00:53:28,880 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: adequate line, the number has been in the mid twenties. True,

992
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:33,480
Speaker 1: we'll see how it goes. But I think it's good

993
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,719
Speaker 1: that somebody brought that up as just a point of discussion.

994
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,520
Speaker 1: Evan Ingram will play twelve games this season. He had

995
00:53:38,560 --> 00:53:42,000
Speaker 1: that exactly. Um, it's been one, eleven and fifteen in

996
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: his first two years. This is too broad for me.

997
00:53:44,080 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: But Zimmenez five to eight sacks before a more form number. Yeah,

998
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 1: you've got to come up with an actual number. I

999
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: don't like the range. I wouldn't be surprised if he

1000
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:55,800
Speaker 1: had six or seven. And this is this is generic

1001
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,359
Speaker 1: offensive efficiency improved by thirty percent thanks to more use

1002
00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: of twelve person. I don't know how I measure that,

1003
00:54:01,640 --> 00:54:04,239
Speaker 1: but I think maybe he means by points. But you know,

1004
00:54:04,360 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: it's pretty hard when you consider that they led the

1005
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 1: NFC East and points scored last year, and he wants

1006
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,600
Speaker 1: to take it up another thirty percent. That's asking a lot,

1007
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:16,160
Speaker 1: a lot. That's that's that's a big number. Alright. Anyway,

1008
00:54:16,160 --> 00:54:18,479
Speaker 1: if they scored as many points as they did last year, John,

1009
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:20,520
Speaker 1: how about this one? I think they do better than that.

1010
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 1: I I suspect that the defense will be enough and

1011
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 1: proved that. You know, that could result in three or

1012
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,640
Speaker 1: four more wins three or four four games last year

1013
00:54:30,680 --> 00:54:33,239
Speaker 1: by three points in last but every how many games

1014
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: they win by three points or last I believe it

1015
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 1: was two or five, two or three? Right, so if

1016
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:40,239
Speaker 1: that even three and five, let's let's say it's even

1017
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:41,480
Speaker 1: three and five. You want to even? Then at the

1018
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: five it's one win? Yeah, all right, you know what

1019
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: I mean. Alright, alright, anyway, a lot final call, Yeah,

1020
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 1: a lot final call. The show is drain Atlantic will

1021
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,000
Speaker 1: wrap us up. Hey, Dre, Hey we're going on, John,

1022
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,880
Speaker 1: Dre were good. Well, we're a little bit late here, Dre.

1023
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:00,440
Speaker 1: If you can put the fast four, don't make us

1024
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,680
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thank you real quick. And I'm keeping on

1025
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:08,040
Speaker 1: the defensive side. Um text me, Uh, Carter is gonna

1026
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:12,960
Speaker 1: have nine sacks, Golden's gonna have fourteen sacks, and Ocean

1027
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 1: Ziminez is going to have seven and a half sacks.

1028
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: That's how many for Golden fourteen? You said? And and

1029
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:24,279
Speaker 1: and Zimmin has how many? Ziminz is gonna be uh

1030
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:26,839
Speaker 1: six or seven and a half sacks? Seven and a half.

1031
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:28,400
Speaker 1: All right, there we go. That's good, Thank you, Dre.

1032
00:55:29,200 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: Boy Betcher just got done talking about Golden today and

1033
00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:36,719
Speaker 1: he said that Marcus Golden is primed to have a

1034
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,560
Speaker 1: terrific year because he's always trying to do so and

1035
00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 1: coming off the knee a c L surgery last year.

1036
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:44,880
Speaker 1: As we all know, it usually takes two years for

1037
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:49,399
Speaker 1: a guy to max out following that that particular injury. Uh, look,

1038
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,880
Speaker 1: you have twelve and a half in two thousand and sixteen.

1039
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: To get fourteen this year would be hercule lean. If

1040
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 1: Betcher gets to the end of the year and how

1041
00:55:57,120 --> 00:55:59,359
Speaker 1: he is thirty and a half combined sack, he's got

1042
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:02,239
Speaker 1: orders zim the as in Golden Right, We're gonna We're

1043
00:56:02,239 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: gonna have like an ice cream party in the cafeteria,

1044
00:56:05,239 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: little pizza, maybe get a clown in here, balloon animals,

1045
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:13,279
Speaker 1: how whole carnival. Yeah, we might have a carnival. Yeah,

1046
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: that'd be great. Yeah, it was fun show. John. And

1047
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:17,759
Speaker 1: by the way, I had to bring a mark in

1048
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,239
Speaker 1: Chicago and given us a bull prediction last week. I'll

1049
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 1: add it to the list. Lorenzo Carter ten and a

1050
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,480
Speaker 1: half sacks guy had four last year, and I think

1051
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:26,120
Speaker 1: he's a heck of a lot better. And they were

1052
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: talking about him again to the presser today. But that's

1053
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 1: a lot. Here you go, folks. They're all on the

1054
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 1: pin and we'll add more as we go along in

1055
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 1: the off season. We can call in and give him

1056
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 1: at anytime. So those are our bull prediction for today's show.

1057
00:56:36,000 --> 00:56:37,680
Speaker 1: Thank you for being a part of it. For Paul Latino,

1058
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: I'm John Schmelt. Today's Friday, I believe right, So no

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Speaker 1: show Saturday or Sunday. We'll be back on Monday at

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Speaker 1: one with another edition of Big kickleve enjoy your weekend everybody.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you then. Audioce