1 00:00:03,760 --> 00:00:10,079 Speaker 1: It's that time time time, time, Luck and load Load. 2 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:15,840 Speaker 2: The Michael Verie Show is on the air live rob Television. 3 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:21,959 Speaker 1: Say Hollywood, no, I mean come and. 4 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 2: Listen to Let's story about a man named Jed or 5 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 2: out near body kept his damis head. 6 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:32,000 Speaker 1: Just a good old bad They have a meaning, no home. 7 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: It's all you're never saw in trouble. 8 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 2: We're the loll. 9 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: Sens of with Bold. My friend Buck Sexton is our guest. 10 00:00:42,120 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 3: He is one half of the Clayton Buck Team that 11 00:00:45,400 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 3: air mid days across the country. He has written a 12 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 3: book based on his CIA background called Manufacturing Delusion, How 13 00:00:53,800 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 3: the Left uses brainwashing in doctrination and propaganda against you. 14 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 3: I think having book authors is on because I like 15 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:03,959 Speaker 3: to get different ideas out there. I very rarely suggest 16 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 3: by the book and read it. You'll be the better 17 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:09,320 Speaker 3: for it. I do that here because I found it 18 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 3: to be very interesting because Buck takes what is very 19 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 3: dry CIA training and mind control training that places like 20 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 3: the CIA use and applies it to what we're seeing 21 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 3: every single day. And I think it gives you some 22 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 3: tools to recognize that. I want to read a line 23 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 3: from the book toward the end. This was page two 24 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 3: p oh seven, Identity construction. This is the identity construction chapter. 25 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 3: As with forced phobia, brainwashing, and other mind control tactics, 26 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 3: we're going to rewind and go back to those because 27 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 3: they're covered earlier in the book. Cannot operate alone. Identity 28 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:47,520 Speaker 3: construction cannot operate alone. It depends on some ready at 29 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 3: hand ideology that tells people who they are and what 30 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 3: they should do. Mass delusion isn't an empty force. It 31 00:01:56,600 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 3: always has driving ideas, and those ideas must be cultivated, 32 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 3: spread and repeated until people get the point or can't 33 00:02:05,640 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 3: hear anything else. To do that requires an old form 34 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:12,880 Speaker 3: of information warfare that we are bombarded with even here 35 00:02:12,880 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 3: in the West every day, and that is called propaganda. 36 00:02:16,919 --> 00:02:19,640 Speaker 3: That was the lead into the propaganda chapter. You know, 37 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 3: I think, but for most of us, we think of 38 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 3: propaganda and Gerbils or Goebbels or however you pronounce his name, 39 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 3: within within Hitler's regime. And we understand that, and we 40 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 3: understand that they made Nazi films, and we understand that 41 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 3: they created their own language, and we understand Orwell's nineteen 42 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 3: eighty four, But how is that being used on us today? 43 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 4: So there's a huge spectrum and in manufacturing dellution, I 44 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 4: get into this a huge spectrum of what psychiatrists psychologists 45 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 4: would call coercive mind control or you know, coercive conditioning 46 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:55,680 Speaker 4: and behaviorism and so. 47 00:02:56,080 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 2: On the one. 48 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,960 Speaker 4: And this is why I start Michael in manufacturing delution 49 00:03:00,200 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 4: by looking at the history of totalitarian regimes, notably Stalinist Russia, 50 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 4: or Soviet Union, Maoist China, Nazi Germany. I mean, those 51 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 4: are the big ones, right, those are ones that unfortunately 52 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 4: caused all together tens really probably over one hundred million 53 00:03:15,040 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 4: dead and transformed all for the worst the twentieth century, 54 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,640 Speaker 4: and hopefully we've run those lessons for the twenty first. 55 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 2: But those were efforts at. 56 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 4: And unfortunately very successful ones at mass conditioning, mass ment 57 00:03:28,080 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 4: to side, mass brainwashing, and they were able to call 58 00:03:31,360 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 4: upon tremendous force and tremendous violence. 59 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:37,240 Speaker 2: Now we aren't in a situation where. 60 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 4: On a college campus, let's say they're not telling you 61 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 4: use the preferred pronouns, because if you don't, we're going 62 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 4: to beat you with truncheons into a bloody mess in 63 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 4: a cell, and we're going to tell you we're going 64 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:50,680 Speaker 4: to kill everyone in your family. And you know, obviously, 65 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 4: like I understand, there's a difference between the modern leftist 66 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 4: campus today in America and the Stalinist gulag and what 67 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:01,760 Speaker 4: the secret police are doing. However, going back to some 68 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 4: of the more specific tactics under things like mentacide, which 69 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 4: is killing of the mind, or brainwashing, which is more 70 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 4: and I get into that. 71 00:04:08,560 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 2: By the way, even if someone. 72 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,600 Speaker 4: Doesn't even care about my overall thesis that this has 73 00:04:11,640 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 4: done to us today, the history alone in the book 74 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 4: is worth reading, so you'll want so people will understand 75 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 4: where does the term brainwashing come from? Who did the 76 00:04:18,320 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 4: first brainwashing? 77 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:20,360 Speaker 2: Is the term we all use? 78 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 4: Well, if you read the book Manufacturing Delusion, you will 79 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:27,280 Speaker 4: know you know who was the first person to really 80 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 4: have a systematized secret police. 81 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 2: Oh it wasn't Hitler. 82 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,719 Speaker 4: You go back to the sixteenth century, my friends, to 83 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 4: a fellow named Ivan, and you will find a precursor, 84 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 4: not just theoretically, the precursor to what Hitler and Stalin 85 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 4: recognized as the basis for the secret police that they 86 00:04:44,640 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 4: would constitute themselves hundreds of years before. Again got to 87 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 4: get the book Manufacturing Delusion, you will learn that. So 88 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:52,719 Speaker 4: the history alone, I think is worth it. But you're 89 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 4: asking a key question, which I, by the way, had 90 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 4: to explain to my publisher in the early days. The said, look, fuck, yeah, okay, 91 00:04:58,400 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 4: there's crazy stuff going on here, but we don't have 92 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 4: goo like I said, yes, but we do have forced confession. Now, 93 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 4: let's unpack that for a second. This is just one example. 94 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 4: We do have people who are made to go on 95 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 4: the apology tour. We're made to apologize for their whiteness, 96 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 4: were made to say that they're sorry for speaking the truth, 97 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,279 Speaker 4: even if they know it's the truth, because if they don't, 98 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 4: they'll lose their job, they'll they'll be run out of 99 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 4: the public square, they'll suffer all of these consequences. And 100 00:05:25,640 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 4: they also had that in Malice China, by the way, 101 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 4: they also had that in Stalinus, Russia. In fact, they 102 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,880 Speaker 4: had trials. And this is a very important example, is 103 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 4: why do they want that confession? Because it breaks down 104 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 4: the psychology of the person. The false confession breaks down 105 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:42,080 Speaker 4: the psychology of the person doing it. But it's also warning, 106 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,520 Speaker 4: Michael to everybody else, you see this person. We can 107 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 4: undermine them so much, we can break them down so 108 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:51,039 Speaker 4: much that they will tell us things that they know 109 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 4: aren't true, and they'll beg for their own destruction in 110 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 4: the process. There's a series of very famous trials. I 111 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 4: get into this in Manufacturing Delusion, which I'd still hope 112 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,120 Speaker 4: everyone goes and gets a copy of. It is a bestseller, 113 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 4: but you guys can make it a mega bestseller. Your 114 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 4: audience is huge, Michael, you know it. 115 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 2: I know it. 116 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:08,640 Speaker 4: If people listening to this, go get a copy, and 117 00:06:08,680 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 4: go get two copies, give one to your neighbor. He'll 118 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 4: love it as well, or she'll love it. But when 119 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:15,560 Speaker 4: you get into the Stalinist show trials, which people are 120 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 4: kind of familiar with the termined, why would Stalin even 121 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 4: have show trials? He was having millions of people liquidated, 122 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 4: I mean he was having people execute it, sent to 123 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 4: the gulaz. Why go through the show trial? Because it 124 00:06:27,120 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 4: was a show of how he could break people, how 125 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 4: he could make people who had been prominent by the 126 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:38,200 Speaker 4: way Communists in many cases fought very vigorously for the 127 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 4: very Bolshevik cause that had. You know that Stalin then 128 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 4: rose to the top of it, became the supreme dictator, 129 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,440 Speaker 4: and they would say things that everyone knew. They would 130 00:06:47,440 --> 00:06:49,800 Speaker 4: say that you know, I was involved in this sabotage, 131 00:06:49,839 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 4: and I worked with you know, the English, and I 132 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,159 Speaker 4: worked with the French against our own people. 133 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 2: All lies, all lies. 134 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 4: Could you imagine you're watching this and you know that 135 00:06:58,279 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 4: somebody is going to publicly lie about every thing and 136 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 4: then beg to be executed at the end. 137 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:04,600 Speaker 1: That, my friend, it's the original guest. 138 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 4: Life is a powerful tool, yes, yes, a powerful tool 139 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:09,160 Speaker 4: of mind control. 140 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 3: Buck, I'm gonna I'm going to read something that this 141 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 3: has turned into me reading your book back to you. 142 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,440 Speaker 3: But but you you mentioned mentocide, and I must admit 143 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,120 Speaker 3: I did not know the concept. I had to look 144 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 3: it up when I was reading his chapter two of 145 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 3: the book, and ment to side translates as sort of 146 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 3: killing the mind. And that's a big part of this 147 00:07:26,480 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 3: book as to how that happens to you. And the 148 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 3: chapter opens with Buck talking about landing in Iraq and 149 00:07:34,200 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 3: he says it was only the second trip I'd ever 150 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 3: taken in a helicopter and it evolved evasive maneuvers in 151 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 3: live fire, and you're like, you know everything. Brian Williams 152 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 3: claimed Buck was actually living and this is not for 153 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,920 Speaker 3: the faint of heart. But he then begins to talk 154 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 3: about a fellow named Yost Merlu, and I'll spell that 155 00:07:52,720 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 3: for you. 156 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: M E E R l Oo, and you're going. 157 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 3: To read a lot about Yost Mirlu and his influences 158 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 3: psychoanalyst who was Dutch. He was also a prisoner of 159 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 3: war in the Second World War. He's a prisoner by 160 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 3: the Nazis. I'm going to come out of this just 161 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 3: a moment and I'm going to read to you a 162 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,920 Speaker 3: segment of the book, and I think you will understand 163 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 3: why I find this so Fastiate we're. 164 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 4: Going to be changing the name of the Gulf of 165 00:08:20,040 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 4: Mexico to the Gulf of ri Michael Berry, which has 166 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 4: a beautiful way. 167 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: Buck Saxton is our guests, my friend. 168 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 3: He's a former CIA analyst, which informs the book he's 169 00:08:33,240 --> 00:08:38,079 Speaker 3: just written called Manufacturing Delusion, How the Left uses brainwashing 170 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:41,880 Speaker 3: in doctrination and propaganda against you. You've heard him on 171 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,400 Speaker 3: the Clay and Buck Show. He is the He's the 172 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:47,520 Speaker 3: Buck of Clambach. The chapter two menta side which he 173 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 3: referenced earlier, the killing of the mind, and basically you're 174 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 3: killing the mind, destroying it and replacing it with that 175 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 3: which they want you to have, sort of an Orwelly insense. 176 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 3: So forgive me if y'all would, but I'm going to 177 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,280 Speaker 3: read you a little piece of the book The Science 178 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 3: of Mind Killing. That's the mentacide. He talks about. The 179 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:08,720 Speaker 3: Soviets may have been mad, but there was a method 180 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 3: to their madness. In nineteen fifty six, a few days 181 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 3: after Stalin began experimenting with various forms of torture to 182 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 3: mentally break people. And remember what's going on in fifty six, 183 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 3: they're going into Romania and Hungary. They're taking over these Eastern, 184 00:09:22,960 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 3: these wonderfully historic Eastern European countries, and they're going in 185 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 3: there and just destroying those places. In nineteen fifty six, 186 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 3: a few decades after Stalin began experimenting with various forms 187 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:37,880 Speaker 3: of torture to mentally break people, the Dutch psychoanalyst Yost 188 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 3: Merlu explained how exactly the human mind can be metaphorically speaking, murdered. 189 00:09:45,280 --> 00:09:49,120 Speaker 3: He coined the term menticide the killing of the mental 190 00:09:49,200 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 3: mentacide to describe this process of thought destruction that characterized 191 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 3: what had happened to the Moscow Show Trial defendants. Merlu, 192 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 3: who himself was held prisoner by the Nazis ri in 193 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 3: the Second World War described mentocide in his book The 194 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,959 Speaker 3: Rape of the Mind as an extreme form of mind control, writing, 195 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 3: menticide is an old crime against the human mind and spirit, 196 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 3: but systematized anew. It is an organized system of psychological 197 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 3: intervention and judicial perversion through which a powerful dictator can 198 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 3: imprint his own opportunist thoughts upon the minds of those 199 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 3: he plans to use and destroy. The terrorized victims finally 200 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:34,720 Speaker 3: find themselves compelled to express complete conformity to the tyrants. 201 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 3: Wishes Buck. This is not a history book. This is 202 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 3: a prescription for how to live in America today. How 203 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 3: are we suffering under menticide or tempts at menticide today? 204 00:10:47,160 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 4: Well, it's because there are similar as I've discussed in 205 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:57,280 Speaker 4: manufacturing delusion, there are similar tactics that are used. Even 206 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:02,200 Speaker 4: though the mountains of force and the extreme violence that 207 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 4: say was central to the Stalinist and Nazi and Maolist 208 00:11:08,400 --> 00:11:12,960 Speaker 4: efforts of menticide, there are for example, mire Lou breaks 209 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:16,760 Speaker 4: down menticide and he wrote there's a whole book Rape 210 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 4: of the Mind where he gets into this in detail, 211 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 4: and it's a fascinating book. By the way, that I'm 212 00:11:19,960 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 4: hoping we'll kind of bring back. I'm hoping to bring 213 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 4: it back into the mainstream of my own book, Manufacturing Delusion. 214 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 4: But he talks about confusion and degradation. If you're looking 215 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 4: at ways that your mind is to be controlled by 216 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 4: outside forces, they want to keep you in a constant 217 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 4: state of confusion, and they want to keep you in 218 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 4: a state of degradation, meaning that you don't trust yourself, 219 00:11:43,040 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 4: you say things that you know our lies, you undermine your. 220 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 2: Own sense of reason. 221 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:51,280 Speaker 4: Now confusion, for example, confusion can be se Remember this 222 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 4: is all about your your brain, your perception, the way 223 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 4: that your actual mind is interpreting stimuli. Confusion can be 224 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 4: created by locking you in a dark cell somewhere and 225 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 4: you don't know what time it is and you have 226 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 4: no sense of what day, and they're waking you up 227 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,280 Speaker 4: in the middle of the night, and you know this 228 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 4: is something you'll see when they're trying to break prisoners 229 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 4: of war, for example. This is something that people are 230 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 4: subjected to. It's torture, of course, but that can make 231 00:12:15,960 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 4: you incredibly confused. You can also, though, confuse people and 232 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:26,199 Speaker 4: deeply confuse the mind by asserting things from the authorities 233 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 4: around you that are clearly untrue. Asserting that a man 234 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,520 Speaker 4: can become a woman, for example, menticide. In that chapter, 235 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 4: I deal with the whole trans madness, particularly the last decade, 236 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 4: where they look at you and you know, if you're 237 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,920 Speaker 4: at the University of Pennsylvania or you're at one of 238 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,240 Speaker 4: these institutions where they have an NCAA swim meet, which 239 00:12:44,280 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 4: I write about. 240 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 2: Here, and you're like, that's a six foot three. 241 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 4: Guy, okay, with male genitalia who's about to jump in 242 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 4: the pool against all these women. And they say you 243 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,079 Speaker 4: have to refer to him as her, and you have 244 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 4: to say that he has or she has rather no 245 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 4: advantage biologically. 246 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:01,640 Speaker 2: Over those women. 247 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 4: This is confusion and this is degradation. You're confused, you're 248 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 4: using the wrong pronoun. 249 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 2: You're confused. 250 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 4: You're being told that you can't trust your eyes, and 251 00:13:09,080 --> 00:13:13,640 Speaker 4: you're degraded because your sense of self, your rational the thing, 252 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 4: the common sense Michael, that you that everyone listening, everyone 253 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 4: with us right now has is undermined by those in 254 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 4: authority in a clearly mechanistic way, meant to be rolled 255 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 4: out precisely to break people, to make them believe things 256 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 4: that are false, and to assert political dominance and control 257 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 4: over them. So this is you know, so there's different stages. 258 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:38,520 Speaker 4: There's different ways to be confused, but confusion is a 259 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 4: central tactic. There's different ways to be psychologically degraded, but 260 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:45,200 Speaker 4: being degraded, whether they're you are degraded and confused, if 261 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 4: you are a North Korean subject, if you are a 262 00:13:48,840 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 4: cult member here in some part of you know, Breakaway 263 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 4: Oregon or something, or if you are on a college campus, 264 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:58,719 Speaker 4: or you're among a bunch of leftists who are demanding that. 265 00:13:58,679 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 2: You use the preferred pronoun. 266 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:02,560 Speaker 4: Well, you mentioned Jim Jobs manufacturing. 267 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 3: You mentioned Jim Jackson, and I thought, I thought, what 268 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 3: an interesting what an interesting reference. I don't know if 269 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,319 Speaker 3: you know who Alex Stein is, but he's a he's 270 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,800 Speaker 3: a comedian and comedian he does some crazy stuff. And 271 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 3: he was speaking before some congressional body or some sort 272 00:14:15,640 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 3: of legislative body, and he was he says these things 273 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:22,120 Speaker 3: with a very serious face, but sometimes they're absurd, and 274 00:14:22,160 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 3: the absurdism is what is where he makes his point. 275 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 3: But he was saying, I don't have a problem with 276 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 3: men and women's sports because I've made a lot of 277 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 3: money because I always bet on the men, because men 278 00:14:30,880 --> 00:14:33,320 Speaker 3: never lose to women and women's sports and it's an 279 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 3: interesting point, and sadly it's kind of true. And when 280 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 3: you think about the fact, I think that a lot 281 00:14:39,400 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 3: of people have really gained some interest in this issue 282 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 3: where I've seen it, because I think a lot of 283 00:14:46,240 --> 00:14:47,680 Speaker 3: men didn't give a damn about women's sports. 284 00:14:47,720 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: I certainly didn't. 285 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 3: But where I see it is dads who love their 286 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 3: little girl, and they watched their little girl run herself 287 00:14:55,120 --> 00:14:57,320 Speaker 3: into a ground, into the ground to be a state champion. 288 00:14:57,480 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 1: They watched their. 289 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:01,120 Speaker 3: Little girl work herself silly to be a basketball player 290 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,520 Speaker 3: or a weightlifter or whatever else, and and she was 291 00:15:04,560 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 3: going to win it all. She was projected. She's been 292 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 3: at this all day for years, and some dude who's 293 00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 3: not even that good at male sports steps in and 294 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,520 Speaker 3: can beat her because the physical advantages. And these dads 295 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:17,880 Speaker 3: lose their minds as they should, the same way they 296 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 3: lose their mind when a boy walks into a girl's 297 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:22,360 Speaker 3: room and says, oh, but I'm a girl. I'm here 298 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 3: to look at you, uncool, I've got a minute left 299 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 3: in the same but take it away, sure, sure, just 300 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 3: real quick. 301 00:15:28,040 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, not all of us are like our 302 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 4: friend Jesse Kelly, who, as I understand follows women's beach 303 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 4: volleyball very closely. I don't know, you know he's a 304 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 4: top tier analyst of women's beach volleyball, but I will say, 305 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 4: I will say he loves it more than he loves 306 00:15:43,880 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 4: the WNBA. It did the men and women's. 307 00:15:46,760 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 2: Sports issue, made it real to people. And it's even 308 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 2: more that I might I might add been the gold 309 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:53,680 Speaker 2: medals than the who win who loses. There's real physical 310 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:54,160 Speaker 2: risk to. 311 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 4: These young women, these girls as a result of this. 312 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 2: They've been hurt because of this. And every dad in 313 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 2: this audio nose. 314 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 4: A man hurting his baby girl. That's h You want 315 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 4: to handle that out the old Texas. 316 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 3: Way, Yes, you do more. With our guest, Buck Sexton, 317 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 3: my good friend. He's one half of the Klayan Buck 318 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 3: duo mid Days across the country. His new book, Manufacturing Delusion, 319 00:16:15,400 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 3: How the Left uses brainwashing, indoctrination and propaganda against You 320 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:24,840 Speaker 3: uses his background as a CIA canalyst both. 321 00:16:24,560 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: DCIA and New York Police Intelligence Unit. But it's also 322 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 1: really good storytelling modern day. 323 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 3: Rob our guest where his fourth and the final segment 324 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 3: is the inimitable Buck Sexton. The book is called Manufacturing Delusion, 325 00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 3: It is climbing up the New York Times bestseller list. 326 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 3: It's probably number one by today. I think it was 327 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:51,000 Speaker 3: number four earlier in the week. 328 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 1: It just hit. 329 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 3: He is one half of the Klay and Buck duo 330 00:16:55,160 --> 00:17:00,920 Speaker 3: weekdays across the country manufacturing delusion. How the left uses brainwashing, 331 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 3: indoctrination and propaganda against you. Buck as weird as this is, 332 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,399 Speaker 3: if I may read you another segment of your book 333 00:17:07,440 --> 00:17:10,879 Speaker 3: to you, I thought this was really good, the science 334 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 3: of mind control. The Soviet leadership, first under Lenin and Stalin, 335 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 3: desperately wanted to create the perception that their workers paradise 336 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 3: was rooted in science. 337 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:22,520 Speaker 1: Huh, here we go, trust the science. 338 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 3: To bolster the narrative of the Soviet Union as a 339 00:17:25,640 --> 00:17:29,840 Speaker 3: science based utopia, they leveraged the reputation of their most 340 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 3: famous scientist. That scientist was Ivan Pavlov. Doctor Ivan Pavlov 341 00:17:36,200 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 3: was a known quantity in his field long before the 342 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 3: rise of Soviet totalitarianism. In nineteen oh four, he received 343 00:17:42,680 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 3: a Nobel Prize in recognition of his work on the 344 00:17:44,800 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 3: physiology of digestion. And everyone knows the stimulus and response 345 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 3: and the dog and the bell. Why is Pavlov useful 346 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 3: to us in the science of mind control because his work. 347 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: Was on dogs. How does this relate to us? Well, 348 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 1: you know, Pavlov is. 349 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 2: A fascinating character. 350 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:08,040 Speaker 4: And actually, in my research for this book, I corresponded 351 00:18:08,200 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 4: with a professor Totis of University of John Hopkins University. 352 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:15,679 Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to take a moment and go across 353 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 3: the glass and punch Ramona in the head. Do you 354 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 3: know what he just said? What Pavlov? His name rings 355 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:23,639 Speaker 3: a belle. And the worst part is I thought that 356 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 3: was hilarious. All right, start this and it's over, so, uh, never. 357 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 2: Mind, Yeah, I know, I like it. I like it. 358 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 4: Well, it actually turns out Pavlov didn't use a bell. 359 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 4: He used a buzzer or a metronome. So there's a 360 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 4: lot in the research of this book that I thought 361 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 4: was really worth people just sort of knowing about things 362 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 4: they think they know that I ain't, So one of 363 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 4: them that got cut from the book. And I was 364 00:18:46,800 --> 00:18:50,479 Speaker 4: doing a psychological I was doing research into behaviorism to one, 365 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 4: which is really a school of psychology that Pavlov in 366 00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:56,239 Speaker 4: essences is well among the founders of their's skinner. I mean, 367 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,440 Speaker 4: there's others But the point is we always hear about 368 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,080 Speaker 4: lemmings committing suicide. I'm going to blow everyone's mind right now. 369 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:03,560 Speaker 2: Guess what. 370 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 4: Lemmings don't commit suicide. Everybody en mass That is a 371 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:11,119 Speaker 4: total urban legend, lie made up that comes from a 372 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 4: Disney documentary. 373 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,919 Speaker 2: You can look this up. It was they were basically. 374 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 4: Shoveling these little mole like creatures off the side of 375 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:23,919 Speaker 4: a cliff to tell a story and the. 376 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 2: Whole Vegas fake. 377 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 4: They do not commit mass suicide, which would. 378 00:19:28,840 --> 00:19:31,359 Speaker 3: As an example of what people shouldn't do is be 379 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 3: like lemmings going off the cliff for a bad idea. 380 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 4: I know it's that this is when the legend is 381 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 4: better than the you know, the legend is better than. 382 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,919 Speaker 2: The truth, so you print the leigion. So lemmings women's 383 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:41,400 Speaker 2: going off. 384 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:45,639 Speaker 4: A cliff is completely completely made up, total lie. But 385 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 4: it's one of these things that people think in psychology, 386 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 4: oh mass psychology, like lemmings. Well, actually animals aren't so 387 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 4: dumb that they will run off a cliff, and this 388 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,360 Speaker 4: is what came up in my research. But human beings 389 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,479 Speaker 4: will go crazy and start lighting women on fire. By 390 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 4: the thousand is uh in Germany during the you know, 391 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 4: witch hunt craze, which was far bigger and worse than 392 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 4: what we saw here in the Massesteria over which is 393 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 4: in Europe, in the in the sort of renaissance you know, 394 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 4: medieval and Renaissance period. 395 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 2: So so we do crazier. 396 00:20:14,359 --> 00:20:16,800 Speaker 4: Stuff than any animals do. But back to the dogs 397 00:20:16,800 --> 00:20:21,040 Speaker 4: and back to Pavlov. So Pavlov is fascinating. He is 398 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:25,360 Speaker 4: a critical scientist because what he did was begin our 399 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:29,240 Speaker 4: understanding of the brain and the body connection. That your 400 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 4: brain processes in your body has physiological reaction to it. Right, 401 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 4: It's not just oh, I think these things, you know, 402 00:20:36,520 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 4: I feel sad, so maybe my tummy hertz. It's no, 403 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 4: you think food is coming. Well, if you're a dog, 404 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 4: you think food is coming until you salivate. You know, 405 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 4: you hear certain things, you have certain response to stimuli, 406 00:20:46,040 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 4: and you can condition, meaning repeat under certain certain variables 407 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 4: that you control for behavior over time that you will replicate. Right, 408 00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 4: this is the whole buzzer dog salivation thing. But it 409 00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 4: was even more important for this of mind control and 410 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 4: what the Soviets, who of course completely penetrated Pavlov's lab, 411 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 4: had spies, was monitoring the whole thing there was In 412 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 4: nineteen twenty four, it was called Leningrad. They changed the 413 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 4: name of the city was Saint Petersburg. 414 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 2: It was Leningrad. 415 00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 4: I think it was Petrograd for a while anyway, it 416 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 4: was Saint Petersburg. Nineteen twenty four. The river overflows, the 417 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:22,120 Speaker 4: main river for the city, the Neva River overflows, and 418 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 4: the dogs in the lab, Michael realize they don't have 419 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,439 Speaker 4: much time left. This water is rising, and these animals 420 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 4: understand we are facing a grizzly end. All the dogs realize, 421 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:34,480 Speaker 4: and I'm a huge dog person, so I get like, 422 00:21:34,960 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 4: I get stressed out just recounting the story. All the 423 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 4: dogs realize they're going to drown. This is horrible because 424 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 4: the water's rising, rising, rising and rising. The staff in 425 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 4: Pavlov's lab breaks in at the last minute. You know, 426 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 4: they're up to their chests and water. They're able to 427 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 4: take the dogs, submerge them, and you know they to 428 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 4: get them out of the cages. They had to pull 429 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,879 Speaker 4: them down, pull them out, and swim them out of 430 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 4: the lab. 431 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 2: Right, And here's the fact. Now all the dogs survived. 432 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 4: Now a single dog drowned, So the ending in that respect, 433 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 4: here's the fascinating thing. Have lav dogs, some with years 434 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 4: of conditioning, after this highly traumatic event of over the 435 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,040 Speaker 4: course of a few hours thinking and then knowing that 436 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 4: they're going to die, the conditioning is gone. 437 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 2: It's wiped away. 438 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 4: And in fact, some of the dogs not only had 439 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:23,880 Speaker 4: their conditioning wipe away, they had major changes in behavior. 440 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 4: They went from being docile to being aggressive, aggressive to docile. 441 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 4: They changed which members of the staff they liked or 442 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 4: which members of the staff they recognized. 443 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,239 Speaker 1: So how does that happen? What causes that? 444 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:35,119 Speaker 2: Ah? 445 00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 4: But that, my friend, is the endless question. That is 446 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:43,479 Speaker 4: the basis the beginning of the science of understanding truly 447 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 4: the brain. That is a traumatic response so powerful that 448 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,199 Speaker 4: when it was working its way through the synapses and 449 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 4: when the biochemistry and the electrical impulses of our brain, 450 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 4: which is still far beyond science is understanding in terms 451 00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 4: of its complexity, as that trauma was unleashed on these 452 00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:06,119 Speaker 4: little dog brains, it changed the way those brains functioned 453 00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 4: in lasting ways. 454 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 2: And we just we're beginning to. 455 00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,880 Speaker 4: Understand and try to understand more about how this functions 456 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 4: in human brains. But you can imagine that if you're 457 00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 4: trying to create a society not of men but of robots, 458 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 4: which is a line from Mirlu. If you're trying to 459 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:23,600 Speaker 4: create a society of automatons, all of a sudden, there's 460 00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 4: this recognition and in Manufacturing delusion my book I walk 461 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,840 Speaker 4: you through all of this, the totalitarians of the twentieth 462 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 4: century realized, Oh, with enough trauma, with enough fear, with 463 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 4: enough of forst phobias, the actual term of art we 464 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 4: use in the book. With enough of this, we can 465 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:47,280 Speaker 4: change brains, we can change thought processes, we can make 466 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 4: people believe what we want them to. Now here's where 467 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 4: it gets even more complicated. 468 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:53,919 Speaker 2: Some of the dogs didn't have this. 469 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,240 Speaker 4: People always ask me, well, what's the upside of this, 470 00:23:56,359 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 4: or how do we It's every individual is unique, everyone's makeup, 471 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 4: everyone's ability to identify and withstand these techniques is variable, right, 472 00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 4: and it's something that we all have to hold on to, 473 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 4: because the only way to protect yourself from this brainwashing 474 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:18,120 Speaker 4: is really as an individual, you have to recognize these tactics. 475 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 4: You have to understand what it is that's going on. 476 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 4: You've been reading from my book. I actually have The 477 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,840 Speaker 4: Rape of the Mind, which is a fantastic book. I 478 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,600 Speaker 4: might add manufacturing delusion, which I. 479 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 2: Hope everybody gets. 480 00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 4: I have the rape of the mind in front of me, 481 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:37,439 Speaker 4: and Mirlu felt very strongly that this was not just 482 00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 4: something that he witnessed debriefing as part of the Dutch 483 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 4: army and exile in the UK, which is also part 484 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 4: of his story. It's not just something he witnessed and 485 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:51,920 Speaker 4: understood as happening in Nazi Germany. But the beginnings of 486 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 4: this could be and were already infiltrating the West. 487 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: And can hold this? 488 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,440 Speaker 3: Can you hold the just roments? I know I told 489 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 3: you I'd only keep you from her, but hey, can 490 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 3: I keep you one more segment? 491 00:25:02,720 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: There was one other area of Baltimore together. 492 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 2: Anything for this ar the orders? I answer yes, he love. 493 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 5: A recession is when your neighbor loses his job, A 494 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 5: depression is when you lose your Mickelber, and recovery is 495 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 5: when Jimmy Carter loses his. 496 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,920 Speaker 1: All right, I wasn't expecting to do this. 497 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 3: I asked buck Sexton for an hour, and he's given 498 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,760 Speaker 3: me more than that because I didn't get to the 499 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 3: last thing that I flagged in my book that I 500 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:35,240 Speaker 3: wanted to get to Buck Sexton as our guest. He's 501 00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 3: one half of Clay and Buck mid Days across the country. 502 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:43,400 Speaker 3: The book is called Manufacturing Delusion, How the Left uses brainwashing, 503 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 3: indoctrination and propaganda against you. It calls on his past 504 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,080 Speaker 3: as a CIA analyst, but then he plugs that training 505 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,720 Speaker 3: and experience as a CIA analyst all over the world, 506 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 3: really working for the CIA and the NYPD Intelligence Division. 507 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 3: But he couples that or applies it using the lens 508 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 3: of modern American politics, culture, and media. And I wanted 509 00:26:07,960 --> 00:26:09,320 Speaker 3: to get to something, and this is when I asked 510 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 3: him to stay. I'm going to read you that I 511 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,040 Speaker 3: think this is probably yes from the conclusion, and I've 512 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 3: marked over a couple of words that I may not 513 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 3: be able to read because I mark all over books. 514 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,720 Speaker 3: But anyway, it's called the cult of passivity, because at 515 00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:24,679 Speaker 3: the end of the day, folks, this is not just 516 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:29,959 Speaker 3: a historical study of psychoanalysts from Freud to Mirlu and beyond. 517 00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 3: This is about how we learn from this, and this 518 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 3: was important. The cult of passivity. The second and more 519 00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:43,399 Speaker 3: likely pathway to totalit totalitarian level mind control for America 520 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:47,640 Speaker 3: is more incrementalists. It's happening little by little doctor Mirlu, 521 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 3: That's who we talked about earlier. Yaust Mirlu, the Dutch 522 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 3: psychoanalyst who was held by the Nazis, sounded the alarm 523 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 3: bells almost seventy years ago that hour. And this is us, folks, 524 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 3: this is our society, Our soft handed, sweets addicted society 525 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 3: was at risk for mind control. And that was when 526 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 3: America was much less defined by abundance and convenience. 527 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:14,360 Speaker 1: Dumb, fatten, what was it? 528 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 2: Fat? 529 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: Dumb? And what is it? Stupid? Is no way to 530 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 1: go through life. 531 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:25,240 Speaker 3: Zone quote Silence, lonely, relaxation with alcohol, sweets, the television screen, 532 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,959 Speaker 3: or a murder mystery may soothe the mind into a 533 00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,959 Speaker 3: passivity that may gradually make it vulnerable to the seductive 534 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,119 Speaker 3: ideology of some feared enemy. 535 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: Mer Lou wrote he. 536 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 3: Called this approach to life the cult of passivity. And 537 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 3: then he goes and then Buck goes on to write 538 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,760 Speaker 3: today it's not murder mysteries, but the lazy, mind numbing 539 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:51,760 Speaker 3: routines of endless uber eats, oreos and online streaming that 540 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 3: leave an opening for mind control. 541 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:54,480 Speaker 1: Folks. 542 00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 3: How many times do you see somebody who shoots up 543 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 3: a school, who got convinced that Trump is the devil 544 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,399 Speaker 3: and other people must be killed. And that person was 545 00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:12,399 Speaker 3: living online and they became fat and crazy online having 546 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,040 Speaker 3: food delivered to them. This I got to tell you, 547 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 3: this part kind of depressed me about the book, but 548 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 3: it really did. 549 00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 2: Well it's meant to. 550 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 4: So that's just the good news, is that that part 551 00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 4: is meant to be depressing, because I think that what 552 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:29,760 Speaker 4: we saw during COVID, for example, was a perfect example 553 00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,120 Speaker 4: of me Mirlu's cult of passivity. If people didn't have 554 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 4: more electronic entertainment at their disposal than at any time 555 00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 4: in human history, if they didn't have super comfortable couches 556 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 4: and beds, air conditioned and heated homes, you know, constant 557 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 4: texting and video chats with friends, and food delivered at 558 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 4: the push of a button, the most delicious, hyper palatable food. 559 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 4: And do you think that lackdowns and all that would 560 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 4: it self a little different? You know, imagine if we 561 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 4: had loackdowns but you were like more Soviet style down 562 00:29:00,440 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 4: and some cinder block, you know howhold that was freezing 563 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 4: with no TV, maybe just some old books and some 564 00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 4: candles to light them by, people would have I think 565 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 4: lasted a whole lot less long with that madness. And 566 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 4: I do think that as we enter a society, or 567 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 4: more of a society of hyperabundance, increasingly, what becomes the 568 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 4: doorway to the control of people is I there's a 569 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 4: line by souls and needs, and I put sils and needs. 570 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:31,040 Speaker 2: In a lot. 571 00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 4: In the book, Lived Not by Lies is one of 572 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 4: the most important exhortations of any human being. I think 573 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,920 Speaker 4: in the twentieth century, live not by lives. It's just 574 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 4: people should have that just just seered into their brains. 575 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 4: Everyone should live not by lives. But he also says, 576 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 4: and I think this is an a speech they actually 577 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 4: gave at Harvard University, he said that to so many people, 578 00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:54,200 Speaker 4: as long as they're safe and warm and fed, it's 579 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 4: all the same to them, and that totalitarians love that 580 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 4: as long as you are in a place where my 581 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 4: basic needs are met, I don't need anything more. I 582 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 4: don't need freedom. And you start to see a bit 583 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 4: of this, by the way, or a lot of this 584 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 4: actually in China. And I pointed China in the book 585 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,400 Speaker 4: to remind everybody that we're the biggest, most powerful country 586 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 4: in the world, not the biggest by population, but the 587 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:16,960 Speaker 4: biggest in terms of. 588 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:17,800 Speaker 2: Wealth and military. 589 00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 4: Number two is a totalitarian dictatorship. It's truly a totalitary 590 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 4: and mafia state. So my warning about how this can 591 00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:29,120 Speaker 4: happen in the world isn't just some theoretical Our biggest 592 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 4: adversary has already fallen into the grips of this madness, 593 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 4: which is communist China, which I know is not traditionally 594 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:39,200 Speaker 4: Marxist communists, but it does function as a totalitarian, thought 595 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 4: controlled dictatorship. But one of the big things that they 596 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 4: offer people is you will get richer here. The middle 597 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 4: class has been created in China. Shut up, don't talk, 598 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 4: you know, don't talk out of line. You're going to 599 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,800 Speaker 4: end up, you know, in some hole for the rest 600 00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,000 Speaker 4: of your life or maybe not even a very long life. 601 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,640 Speaker 4: But they've created the conditions of economic prosperity. Same thing 602 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,080 Speaker 4: I might add in post Soviet Russia created a middle 603 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 4: class where not existed before. And so a lot of 604 00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 4: people say, Okay, maybe I don't have freedom, but I. 605 00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 2: Have food on the table. 606 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 4: Okay, maybe I can't speak out about politics, but my 607 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 4: apartment is warm in the winter. And that's something to 608 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 4: be very Because totalitarians, people who want to control your mind. 609 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 4: Also understand that material conditions around you can be very powerful, 610 00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,040 Speaker 4: and that if the people feel safe and warm and fed, 611 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 4: maybe it will all be the same to them. So 612 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,600 Speaker 4: that is the cult of passivity. We certainly suffered from that. 613 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 4: Michael during COVID and in Manufacturing Delusion, I walked people 614 00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 4: through why Mirlu was warning us about this stuff. 615 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 2: That's why he wrote the book. That was his research. 616 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 4: It wasn't hey, guys, be careful, Nazis could take over 617 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 4: somewhere else one day. It's hey, guys, people who mean 618 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 4: you harm and want to take away your freedom have 619 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,480 Speaker 4: these tools to control your mind, even in a liberal democracy, 620 00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:00,880 Speaker 4: even in a place with a free theoretical three free press. 621 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,000 Speaker 4: And that's why I want everyone to get Manufacturing illusion, 622 00:32:04,040 --> 00:32:05,760 Speaker 4: because it is happening here. 623 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 2: It's just a question of degree. 624 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 3: You talk about the suckor of you know, uber eats 625 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 3: foods and and and and fat and drink and you know, feast. 626 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 3: But you know, it's interesting because Maslow's Maslow's hierarchy of 627 00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 3: needs has safety first, and that may be true of 628 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 3: the animals, but honestly, I think for most Americans it's 629 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,600 Speaker 3: not safety, it's comfort. And convenience. And I'm reminded of 630 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:37,440 Speaker 3: the line by Ben Franklin. I looked it up when 631 00:32:37,480 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 3: you were talking, just to confirm I get it right. 632 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,760 Speaker 3: Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a 633 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:47,960 Speaker 3: little safety deserve deserve neither liberty nor safety. I think 634 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 3: of the people who sat for the COVID vaccine and 635 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 3: then once they had it, said if you don't get it, 636 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:57,120 Speaker 3: you should be fired. But what people will give up 637 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 3: for the perception of safety and then the enjoyment of 638 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 3: luxury and convenience is frightening to me. 639 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: It's absolutely frightening. This book is wonderful. 640 00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,680 Speaker 3: I have to tell you, Clay, I mean Clay, but 641 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:15,760 Speaker 3: I am out of time. Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Weekdays. 642 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 3: The book is called Manufacturing Delusion, How the Left uses brainwashing, 643 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:24,960 Speaker 3: indoctrination and propaganda against you. I very rarely recommend someone 644 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 3: read a book. I just want to share with you 645 00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 3: what the author has to say. This is a wonderful, 646 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,520 Speaker 3: wonderful read. I encourage you you will. It's depressing, but 647 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 3: it's it's empowering as well. 648 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 1: Thank you, Buck, Thank you, my friend.