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Speaker 1: Bring the boom X Boom. I thought last night's game

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Speaker 1: had a little bit of everything, A little bit of everything.

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Speaker 1: It had some pregame discs over a player who wasn't playing.

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Speaker 1: But I think many of us, myself included, believe believe

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Speaker 1: that up until recently, Russell Wilson was a Hall of

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Speaker 1: Famer and now some are saying he is not. That

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Speaker 1: one's that's interesting for me. But so you had some

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Speaker 1: really good pre game chatter, you had some uniform chatter.

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Speaker 1: I personally liked the Cardinals. I like the Cardinals jerseys

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Speaker 1: and helmets. Part of it is I think they're home

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Speaker 1: Homets are normally just terrible, right, just too much white

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Speaker 1: on them, and it feels like they need a Striperson.

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Speaker 1: It feels like they need someone else. Last night they

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Speaker 1: did not because the Cardinal logo was different but also

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Speaker 1: much bigger, and it's with the new helmets so it

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Speaker 1: looks a little cooler. But what again, you have the

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Speaker 1: weird uniform stuff where they're wearing alternative, alternative jerseys and

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks are not. It's like, wait, did the Seahawks

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Speaker 1: not get the memo is only when you're in a

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Speaker 1: home there's a bunch you get to. Then you had

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Speaker 1: you know, Sam Donald, who is a former number three

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Speaker 1: overall pick. He's been well traveled, how well he would

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Speaker 1: he perform? Then of course you have Kyler Murray, who

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Speaker 1: it felt like the fans were done with in the

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Speaker 1: first half and then all of a sudden they were

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Speaker 1: hopped on board. With the Lake comeback. You had a

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Speaker 1: very average to below average in terms of the actual

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Speaker 1: performance of the game, but it led to an unbelievable comeback.

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Speaker 1: Plus you have Marvin Harrison Junior who continues to struggle

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Speaker 1: just catching the football but did have a big catch

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Speaker 1: as part of the comeback. There's a lot and then

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Speaker 1: at the end of the game you have a comeback

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Speaker 1: at tie game, should you have gone for two if

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Speaker 1: you're Arizona. If you don't go for two, well then

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Speaker 1: you know you got to figure out kickoff a new

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Speaker 1: kickoff rule which so many people still don't know. We

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Speaker 1: still don't know if the kicker knew you had to

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Speaker 1: have it in the air, pass the twenty yard line.

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Speaker 1: Then Seattle gets the ball at the forty Jackson Smith

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Speaker 1: and Jigbu catches a ball and looks like for some

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Speaker 1: reason they were winding the clock, and then upon further review,

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Speaker 1: they didn't wind the clock. Then it felt like Seattle,

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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, are they going to throw the football

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Speaker 1: where they could turn it over. No, They're going to

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Speaker 1: hand it off and play for a sixty yard field goal,

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Speaker 1: and ends up all working out for There was a

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Speaker 1: lot in that game, a lot. I'll give you my

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Speaker 1: thoughts on one second Buyer. You had some thoughts I

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Speaker 1: know on Marvin Harrison Junior. Didn't you?

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Speaker 2: Well, I just think it's such an interesting storyline for Doug.

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Speaker 2: We were sitting here twenty four hours ago. I said,

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Speaker 2: Kyler Murray. You countered, I think Sam, you thought Sam

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Speaker 2: Donald is still the jury is still out on Donald,

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Speaker 2: especially when games matter. I think all of those are fair.

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Speaker 2: And what we thought was going to be the headline.

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Speaker 2: And here in a game that you said had everything

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Speaker 2: was going on with my Rarvin Harrison and some of

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Speaker 2: the things that were happening last night happened in their

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Speaker 2: game against the forty nine Ers last week. But again, Bears, Cowboys,

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Speaker 2: And now I wonder because of the second half and

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Speaker 2: on the sidelines for them, is he passed this? Was

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Speaker 2: about like your free throw shooting when you were playing

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Speaker 2: to that of Marvin Harrison just being in his head.

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Speaker 2: But the lasting image from last night that I think

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the ball is my friend. The ball is my friend.

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Speaker 1: And it also interesting is within one game, it did

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Speaker 1: rolling their eyes at at Kyler Murray. Did it not? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: just at times I just felt like such a dud.

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Speaker 2: I felt that Harrison, especially on the interception that was

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Speaker 2: they were both probably Marvin Harrison's fault definitely the one

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Speaker 2: But I thought it was just more about I got

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Speaker 2: It was the fourth overall pick, you know, a year

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I also think it's people can't figure out. Here's

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Speaker 1: what Marvin Harrison benefits from is his dad caught everything

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Speaker 1: We're just all stunned by it. I'm not stunned by

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Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, okay, when I was in high school,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what a what a story that is. And I

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Speaker 2: But just in playing golf, sometimes you'll be playing around

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Speaker 2: and for three holes you have no idea what to

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Speaker 2: and to get him going into the game. And that

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Speaker 2: from it? Because I've seen people do it, as I said,

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Speaker 2: I did it on the very low level of the

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Speaker 2: athletics that I play, where yeah, sometimes the ball's just

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Speaker 2: and all of a sudden something clicks. Did that click

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Speaker 1: Of course, I was Sam on the Ones and twos

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Speaker 1: Likes top In as well. Here's Sam Donold talking about

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Speaker 1: the game winning drive. It was, uh, just all right,

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Speaker 1: here we go.

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna, you know, get ready for two minute warm

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Speaker 1: Here's Mike McDonald, head coach of the Seahawks, on how

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Speaker 1: his team executed late in the game.

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Speaker 4: For us, it was just like, all right, hey, look

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Speaker 4: we're on you know, we're identifying the two minute situation,

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Speaker 4: and Ad and the guys are talking to the guys

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Speaker 4: They're talking about our overtime plan. It was just kind

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Speaker 4: of like, hey, what's what's next. Clint called some great plays.

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Speaker 4: We had a great protection that in that series. You're

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Speaker 4: this is this is how we roll.

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Speaker 1: I can't tell you how impressed I was with Jackson

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Speaker 1: smith the jig but getting out of bounds without his

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Speaker 1: knee touching the ground, which stopped the clock, and they

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Speaker 1: had to review that. Yeah, go ahead, Jase too. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 5: I was just wondering if you guys remembered that Mike

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Speaker 5: McDonald was the head coach at Seattle because I keep forgetting,

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Speaker 5: I keep forgetting that he's he's the head coach at Seattle.

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Speaker 5: I keep keep forgetting.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know why, you know why you keep forgetting?

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Speaker 1: Because they're not in love with Russell Wilson anymore. Nor

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll. Uh, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. You're

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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio. Guy, We're just we're just silly

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Speaker 1: with the effort of being silly. Okay, here's an honest question. Okay,

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Speaker 1: do we think that their kicker knew the rule? That's

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Speaker 1: that's the kicker, Chad Ryland. Because when Chad Ryland walked

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Speaker 1: he knew why the ball, why the why the why

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Speaker 1: the penalty was called. Now again, I'm only reading Biden

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Speaker 1: language and his facial expression. I was watching in a

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Speaker 1: there's gin in his head. Coach Jonathan Gannon after the

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Speaker 6: Keep it in play, keep it in play, you know,

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Speaker 6: that's that's kind of one of the things we talk

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Speaker 6: trying to burn off some time there. Chad played his

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Speaker 2: and Doug. The reason why I think that you're right

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Speaker 1: He's in his third year. But yeah, but the rules

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Speaker 2: Is that really in play? But just so it doesn't

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Speaker 2: You can't do that anymore. Like you at least have

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Speaker 1: I'll help you out with some dude named Doug. Yes,

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Speaker 1: here's Tony Gonzalez and Chrisa Thompson talking about Russell Wilson

431
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Speaker 1: last night. Do you think we've seen the last of

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson?

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Speaker 8: Honestly, I hope we have. And I say that because

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Speaker 8: I just looking at him and his career, his legacy,

435
00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:03,480
Speaker 8: Like he talked about if ever there was somebody who

436
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 8: played himself out of a Hall.

437
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Speaker 2: Of Fame, it's Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 8: And I say that because look at what he's what's

439
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Speaker 8: happened ever since he left Seattle when he was in Seattle,

440
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 8: he was the man. He was making these good plays.

441
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Speaker 2: He won a super went to two of them.

442
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Speaker 8: But as soon as he left there, he went to

443
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Speaker 8: Dinverse on that big old deal. They paid him thirty

444
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 8: nine million dollars to leave because the Pittsburgh plays there.

445
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Speaker 8: One year, he's out of there, and now he goes

446
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Speaker 8: here and has three games.

447
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Speaker 2: I just don't know if it's gonna get any better.

448
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Speaker 8: And I don't want to see him on a sideline

449
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:28,840
Speaker 8: holding a clipboard.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So here's here's the thing. And I I'm a

451
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Speaker 1: lot of things. Jason thinks I'm offenseit or I am not. Okay.

452
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Speaker 1: There are certain things in which I think are nuanced

453
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Speaker 1: and it's hard to take a stance on. And I

454
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Speaker 1: don't want to sound like an idiot when I think

455
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Speaker 1: there's more to it. Okay, there are certain things in

456
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Speaker 1: which I will absolutely take one side or the other.

457
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Speaker 1: I didn't think Kurt. And Kurt Warner is a friend

458
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Speaker 1: of mine. Kurt Warner is like all time greatest dude

459
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Speaker 1: ever type friend. Anytime I'm in Phoenix, I text Kurt

460
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Speaker 1: Warner because he has a gym in his house, like

461
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Speaker 1: a basketball gym in his house. And they play four

462
00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 1: on four. The key is to get on Kurt's team

463
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 1: because he gets every call. But the point is, I

464
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Speaker 1: didn't think Kurt Warner is a Hall of Famer just

465
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Speaker 1: from this perspective. How can you be a Hall of

466
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Speaker 1: Famer where there's like five years where you couldn't even

467
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Speaker 1: start in the NFL, they couldn't play it, and it

468
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Speaker 1: was in the middle of your career, right like you

469
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: went from nothing to greatest show on turf, to fell

470
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Speaker 1: out a favor, to had the hand injury and they

471
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Speaker 1: wanted to play Eli Manning, to back up in Arizona,

472
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Speaker 1: to start in Arizona, to Super Bowl again too. Yeah.

473
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Speaker 1: Now then all of a sudden he was a couple

474
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Speaker 1: of years later he was out right. So if you

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Speaker 1: say we haven't had a Hall of Famer who's had

476
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Speaker 1: years where he was removed as a starter, I give

477
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Speaker 1: you Kurt Warner. And Kurt's frankly, were in the middle

478
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Speaker 1: of his career, not just the end of his career,

479
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Speaker 1: right whereas Russell had I don't know, a decade where

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Speaker 1: his team was always good, always in the playoffs, went

481
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Speaker 1: to two Super Bowls, one to one, and I just

482
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Speaker 1: think that one you have a case of Tony and

483
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Speaker 1: trying to do the hot takey thing. Well, I hope

484
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Speaker 1: he never plays again. I think what he said is

485
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Speaker 1: he's hurting his legacy by continuing to play when he

486
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 1: clearly isn't as good as he used to be, and

487
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Speaker 1: he needs a specific sort of surrounding cast and he

488
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Speaker 1: doesn't have that. He doesn't have the complete buy in

489
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Speaker 1: of an organization, and for that to protect his legacy,

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Speaker 1: it's better if he doesn't play anymore. I think that's

491
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Speaker 1: what Tony meant. But then there's this other part to

492
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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, which is very, very unique. Here's his former teammate,

493
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Speaker 1: he was the starting quarterback when they won one and

494
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Speaker 1: lost one Super Bowl. Here's Richard Sherman on the same broadcast.

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Speaker 9: I think you got to judge his career off when

496
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Speaker 9: the legion of boom was there, he had a legendary

497
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Speaker 9: defense and all time defense, and how much success he had,

498
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Speaker 9: and then without that legendary defense to success he had.

499
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Speaker 9: Without that legendary defense, he's been four and eleven, seven

500
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Speaker 9: and eight on in three to start with the Giants

501
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Speaker 9: Like that's he was a winning football player in Seattle,

502
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 9: and people said, hey, winning his football player, all this

503
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 9: good stuff, all these accolades, and now you get to

504
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 9: go on your own and you get to prove, hey,

505
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 9: I'm this great quarterback, I'm this guy that's gonna be dominant.

506
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Speaker 9: And it just hasn't worked out that way.

507
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Speaker 1: I thought. I thought Richard Sherman presented himself despite the

508
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Speaker 1: fact his information was highly biased and tinged in whatever

509
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: he and everyone knows they don't like each other. I

510
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Speaker 1: thought he presented it in a way which was super

511
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Speaker 1: dignified in matter of fact. But there has never will

512
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Speaker 1: never be a quarterback that has won a Super Bowl

513
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Speaker 1: lost another one whose former teammate defensive star won't say,

514
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Speaker 1: of course he's a Hall of Famer, he's the greatest.

515
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Speaker 1: It's like the most unique thing where all Richard Sherman

516
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Speaker 1: and all those defensive guys. You guys are and I

517
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: agree you were a great defense for a period of time.

518
00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 1: Please stop with where the eighty five Bears. Tell me

519
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: when the eighty five Bears dominance took place and you

520
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 1: could sit there and go like we didn't have much offense, Like, dude, stop, Okay,

521
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 1: they never lost fewer than three games. They were down,

522
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: they were tremendous defensively, but they weren't together long enough,

523
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: and they were the most arrogant group you've ever known.

524
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 1: And they don't like their own quarterback. It's crazy, and

525
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,879
Speaker 1: it feels like Richard Sherman and the rest of the

526
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Speaker 1: Legion of Boom they would they it's like their personal

527
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: goal to shoot down anything Russell Wilson because they feel

528
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Speaker 1: like it diminishes the view of their success. I think,

529
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Speaker 1: I don't think, I'm I know Russell Wilson at the

530
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Speaker 1: end of the day will be a Hall of Famer.

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Speaker 1: He's been to two Super Bowls. He was a really

532
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 1: good quarterback for a long time. While his while some

533
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: of the passing numbers aren't obscene, he got a year

534
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,879
Speaker 1: of forty touchdowns and he had a year where he

535
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: had years where single digit interceptions, where he did not

536
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: lose the game, and it's it's called playing complimentary football.

537
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: Eli Manning's gonna be in the Hall of Fame. And

538
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:36,160
Speaker 1: if you're gonna put Philip Rivers in the Hall of Fame,

539
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: you damn sure better put Russell Wilson in the Hall

540
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: of Fame. And he could sit there and say, well,

541
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Speaker 1: the Legion of Boom like, dude, the legion of boom

542
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: was that was dead several years ago, right, several years ago,

543
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,280
Speaker 1: and yet in Seattle they still won ten eleven, twelve

544
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Speaker 1: games up until his last season where he when he

545
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Speaker 1: got hurt and they end up six to eight after

546
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: he started out a house of fire. That's the reality

547
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: to it. Right on his bad year when he hurt

548
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:07,959
Speaker 1: his thumb in his last year in Seattle, when they

549
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: were six to eight, twenty five touchdown, six interceptions. Richard Sherman,

550
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: you are so insecure about how you're viewed and how

551
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 1: your defensive viewed and the fact that you don't like

552
00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson and for whatever, and maybe it's his personality,

553
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 1: it seems to irritate a lot of people. But God's

554
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: that's just an awful SoundBite. You are an awful teammate,

555
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: There's no question about it. Buyer, you are a Seattle

556
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: Seahawks fan, tried and true go back because of Dave Craig.

557
00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:39,720
Speaker 1: Help me with this debate.

558
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Speaker 2: It's I agree with a lot of what you said,

559
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: and how we look at Russell Wilson. The bar four

560
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 2: quarterbacks in the Hall of Fame seems to be a

561
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 2: lot lower even though you were able to list off

562
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: all of the names in a somewhat succinct fashion. There's

563
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 2: not like four hundred quarterbacks in the Hall of Fame

564
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 2: in the NFL. But the Kurt Warner point is well made.

565
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,200
Speaker 2: The Eli Manning discussion is one, and I think that

566
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson's career stacks up very well against Eli Mannings.

567
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,840
Speaker 2: But the phases of Russell Wilson's career, to me, never

568
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: screamed hall of Fame. And how we're breaking this down,

569
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Speaker 2: I think is unfair in a way to say that

570
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 2: he's played himself out of it. I don't think that

571
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 2: you could do that, But I do think that he

572
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: had an advantage with a defense early on. Then when

573
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Speaker 2: it was his show, he put up very good numbers

574
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Speaker 2: and in one year was think accounted for all but

575
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Speaker 2: one of the Seahawks' touchdowns or two of their touchdowns

576
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Speaker 2: that year. Statistically, his numbers are fine. But I never

577
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Speaker 2: thought that he was the Hall of Fame quarterback, or

578
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Speaker 2: that he was destined to be a Hall of Famer,

579
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Speaker 2: And so I find it interesting that this conversation is

580
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,320
Speaker 2: now popping up because of his bad play. He ever

581
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 2: really considered it when he was playing. I thought that

582
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,120
Speaker 2: he was trending, like if you would have went to

583
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 2: Denver and won a Super Bowl and played well there, absolutely,

584
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: but I'm just thinking about what he did basically in

585
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 2: Seattle as his career, and it was a great career.

586
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Speaker 2: I just don't think it's Hall of Fame worthy.

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00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: It's really interesting. I don't think so either. Okay, I

588
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: want to make sure this is really clear. It's like

589
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts. I don't think he's really a Hall of Famer.

590
00:31:29,600 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: I don't think he's one of the greatest quarterbacks of

591
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: all time. But the reason I read that list was

592
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: there's some other guys You're like, yeah, I don't know,

593
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: I don't know. And the way in which the league

594
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: is trending, it's become quarterback or sort of nothing else, right,

595
00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:48,960
Speaker 1: And again, I just think we're going to have this

596
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 1: wave of guys that get in, and you know you're

597
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 1: gonna any argument you could make, which is a valid one.

598
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, well, if you're gonna keep Russell Wilson,

599
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna keep Eli out. There's no way you keep

600
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Speaker 1: Eli out. And if you keep those guys, and if

601
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna put Dan Fouts in, like, why can't you

602
00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: put Philip Rivers in? And if you're gonna put Philip

603
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,200
Speaker 1: Rivers in, how come you can't put a guy who

604
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: won playoff games in?

605
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Speaker 2: Pro football? Hall of Fame voters have been the toughest

606
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 2: if you compare them with baseball on being able to

607
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 2: draw the line they actually did. Last year they had

608
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 2: a smaller class. For the previous ten years or maybe

609
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: fifteen years, they just had max classes. Let's put everybody in.

610
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 2: Let's get all of these guys in because there's gonna

611
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 2: be more guys coming down the line. And last year

612
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Speaker 2: they're like, oh, hold on, wait a sec, We're only

613
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 2: gonna put four guys in this time. That was a

614
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 2: break from the norm. I wonder if that change will

615
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 2: hurt these guys because of how easy it seemed to

616
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Speaker 2: get into the Hall of Fame with some of these

617
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 2: like the current corner one is magnificent because for a

618
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 2: three year span, there was no one better there truly wasn't.

619
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Speaker 2: But you look at that career. Do you look at

620
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Speaker 2: that stretch? Yeah? Is that really Hall of Fame worthy?

621
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Speaker 2: Is that what we're looking at?

622
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Speaker 1: And it's just the idea of this this was my argument,

623
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:09,120
Speaker 1: and again I was prepared for it when we did it. Okay.

624
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 1: So Kurt Warner broke into the league at twenty eight

625
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,959
Speaker 1: years old, right. His first year, that was when they

626
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,520
Speaker 1: went to and won a Super Bowl forty one touchdowns

627
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: and at the time forty one touchdowns was he led

628
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: the league? Okay. Then the next year he missed some

629
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: of the year, but he still ended up eight wins

630
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 1: three interceptions, right, but he had a ton of interceptions.

631
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 1: The following year was when they were fourteen and two.

632
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: He had thirty six touchdowns, but he had twenty two interceptions.

633
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: Then he was bad. Now he got hurt, right, but

634
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: oh and six barely played in two thousand and three,

635
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: only played in two games. Then he went to the

636
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: Giants and he was essentially the placeholder for Eli Manning

637
00:33:55,360 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: if people remember. And with the Giants he started nine games.

638
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: A Hall of Famer through nine games at six touchdowns

639
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: and four interceptions. Then he goes to Arizona, Okay, and

640
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,840
Speaker 1: he's supposed to be the backup, and I think Liner

641
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: got hurt that first year, right, And he comes in

642
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: and they're five and four eleven touchdown excuse me, two

643
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: and eight two and eight with eleven touchdowns, nine interceptions.

644
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Speaker 1: Then he's the backup to liner and he barely plays.

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Speaker 1: He actually started five games when he won in four record.

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Speaker 1: It wasn't until he was thirty seven and thirty eight.

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Speaker 1: At thirty seven years old, that's when they went to

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. And he had another very good year

649
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Speaker 1: thirty touchdowns, fourteen interceptions, forty five hundred yards. His last

650
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Speaker 1: year was good. They won ten games. He got knocked

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Speaker 1: out in the playoffs. I think that was the Saints.

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Speaker 1: Remember how hard they hit him, And that was when

653
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Speaker 1: Brenda wore. The point is that, like if you look

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Speaker 1: at Kurt Warner, you're like, wow, that's really not a

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame career, because if you were a Hall

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Speaker 1: of Famer in Saint Louis, you would be decent at

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Speaker 1: any other time that they would throw you into a game,

658
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Speaker 1: and that wasn't the case. It's really like five good

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Speaker 1: years and six below average to some bad years. A

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Speaker 1: lot of it is is injury, but again, like that's

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Speaker 1: not the only story.

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Speaker 2: One more point for Wilson. They did not invest in

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Speaker 2: their offensive line during his prime years because they'd said, well,

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Speaker 2: he's mobile, he can move around truly. That was part

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Speaker 2: of why I took a bunch of sacks as well.

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Speaker 2: But I just there was never a point where I

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Speaker 2: thought it was, oh, yeah, this guy's headed to the Hall.

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Speaker 2: Could have been yeah, could have been Like, honestly, if

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Speaker 2: things would have worked out better in Denver, I think

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Speaker 2: that would have solidified the case. But at never no

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Speaker 2: point do I think that he is withdrawn from the

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Speaker 2: Hall of Fame.

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Speaker 1: How good is this weekend in college football? Jason Sewett?

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00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: Can you ask that question more time?

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Speaker 5: How good is this this weekend in college football?

679
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: You got to ask you a little bit more energy,

680
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Speaker 1: like you're actually asking a question.

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Speaker 5: Hey, Doug, Yeah, how good is this weekend in college football?

682
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you how good it is. Kirk Kurbstreet came

683
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 1: up with some bizarre take that it makes no sense

684
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Speaker 1: to have all these games on one weekend, like it

685
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 1: was planned out that that are week oh on these

686
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Speaker 1: games are actually good? Now I get Alabama Georgia. Maybe

687
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: that's a little bit early in the year for you, right,

688
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: this is her and I love Herbie, but take a

689
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Speaker 1: listen to this take.

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Speaker 10: It's another example of why we need eventually a commissioner's office,

691
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 10: Like the NFL has a commissioner's office.

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Speaker 11: Right, and there are a lot of different layers to

693
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Speaker 11: what that office could do. Obviously, in this nil and

694
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Speaker 11: portal era and the realignment era, I think the biggest

695
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Speaker 11: thing that I think sometimes is a guy who eats breeze.

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Speaker 10: College football. There are some weeks in college football where

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Speaker 10: it's just there might be one good game, and there

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Speaker 10: are other weeks like this week. You could argue this

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Speaker 10: is the greatest weekend of the entire year. Starting Friday

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Speaker 10: night there's good.

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Speaker 12: Games, and then from game day and then after game

702
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Speaker 12: day noon eastern all the way. If you're crazy like me,

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Speaker 12: you'll watch BYU in Colorado at ten fifteen they start,

704
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Speaker 12: and that'll go to whatever one in the morning, and

705
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 12: you're thinking, man, why wouldn't we have somebody instead of

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Speaker 12: the Big ten in their own silo, the SEC and

707
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Speaker 12: their silo, the Big twelve and the ACC. Wouldn't it

708
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Speaker 12: be great if we had a commissioner's office to just

709
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Speaker 12: kind of like, let's spread some of these games out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know how to tell Herbie this, but

711
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: that is never going to happen, can't happen, won't happen,

712
00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: and is among the most bizarre. Golly, I hate to

713
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Speaker 1: say this because Herbie awesome. It's like a super uneducated take.

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Speaker 1: It's a it's a very much a fan take. I mean,

715
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Speaker 1: it's like Florida State Virginia. I'm super into the game tonight,

716
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Speaker 1: but had Florida State no one knew they were gonna

717
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Speaker 1: beat Alabama or nobody don know what to expect from

718
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Speaker 1: Florida State. Two years ago they unefeated. Last year they

719
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Speaker 1: win two games. Now they're undefeated. We don't know how

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Speaker 1: good they are, so I mean, who would have thought

721
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Speaker 1: that's a good game, right? I don't know if TCU

722
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Speaker 1: is any good there. They beat North Carolina, but everybody's

723
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Speaker 1: beating North Carolina. They beat SMU, but is SMU really

724
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Speaker 1: good or was last year just a creation of a

725
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Speaker 1: schedule and a lot of money. Arizona State won the

726
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Speaker 1: Big Twelve last year, but they've already lost to Mississippi State, Like,

727
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Speaker 1: how are you gonna know that that's gonna be a

728
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Speaker 1: that's not a traditional, you know, powerhouse game. Usc and

729
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Speaker 1: Illinois were acting like that's a big game. But why

730
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Speaker 1: because because Illinois ranked? Okay, Illinois wins Western Illino and

731
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Speaker 1: Western Michigan. They played one good team. Indiana beat them

732
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Speaker 1: sixty three to ten, Like, why are we considering that

733
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Speaker 1: a some game that we want to move and put

734
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Speaker 1: around our schedule. Don't get me wrong, there are good

735
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Speaker 1: games out there. LSU Ole miss is big time. Problem

736
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Speaker 1: is in the SEC kind of every week we have

737
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Speaker 1: some games Auburn, A and m good game Indiana, Iowa.

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Speaker 1: Did anybody think that would be a big game? This

739
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,399
Speaker 1: rule in the year Tennessee, Mississippi State, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Penn State, Purdue, we I mean Penn State to Oregon,

741
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Speaker 1: we knew, but you know again it's like Penn State, like, well,

742
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Speaker 1: they got to schedule some games, like okay, Well, there's

743
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Speaker 1: a logic and reason to why they play who they play.

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Speaker 1: Oregon has to come middle of the season. I think

745
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Speaker 1: they didn't want the West Coast teams coming in November

746
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Speaker 1: when they have to deal with with snow. They wanted

747
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Speaker 1: to keep it to where they play their regional teams.

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Speaker 1: But he just there's too many moving hearts to have

749
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Speaker 1: one guy or one group coordinate one hundred and thirty

750
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Speaker 1: Division one teams. Just doesn't work that way. It's hard

751
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Speaker 1: enough to get your own schedule, let alone your league schedule,

752
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Speaker 1: let alone a national schedule.

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Speaker 13: Yes, Sammy Doug, your point about, you know, teams getting good,

754
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Speaker 13: becoming ranked, and then how the rankings shift every week,

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Speaker 13: that's a great point. We don't know, you know, it's

756
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Speaker 13: five weeks from now, we might have another crazy weekend

757
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Speaker 13: where a team you know, works, is undefeated, works its

758
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Speaker 13: way from unranked to ranked, and then we got you know,

759
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Speaker 13: all this cast. I kind of look at weekends like

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Speaker 13: this as like the first two days of the NCAA tournament,

761
00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 13: like there's just a lot going on and we can't

762
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Speaker 13: spread them out. We have to have them on Saturday.

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Speaker 13: So we're gonna play these games. It's going to be

764
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Speaker 13: a smortas Board of Football to pay attention to. Unfortunately,

765
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 13: they're not all standalone games. We have to have them

766
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Speaker 13: all going on the same day and I'll probably be

767
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Speaker 13: watching from nine am until two am, and that's life

768
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Speaker 13: and I love it.

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Speaker 1: Uh next week, it's like we're making like Colorado by

770
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Speaker 1: US a big game, West Virginia by US. Next week.

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Speaker 2: Yes today, Well, yeah, this is also does kirkurb Street

772
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Speaker 2: think that they're like sixty nine hours in a day?

773
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Speaker 2: I mean, like, how would how would you have a

774
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Speaker 2: schedule that would work out for the football fan that

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Speaker 2: kirkerb Street wants to watch all these games? Right? Like

776
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:24,880
Speaker 2: that's there's just it's not possible. In fact, it's a

777
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 2: little there's also a little tone deafness to it in

778
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 2: a way because the two criticisms that we've had with

779
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: scheduling games have come because of big noon kickoff. People

780
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:41,120
Speaker 2: are mad that Texas Ohio State was a big noon

781
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 2: kickoff game and not under the lights. That's at noon

782
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 2: Eastern time. So if you were to put a game

783
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 2: at noon Eastern, everybody'd be mad because they felt that

784
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 2: game should be at night. And then last week, well,

785
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Speaker 2: Jason and I were camping out during the overnight at

786
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Speaker 2: O'Hare Airport on their comfortable chairs. It was two o'clock

787
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 2: in the morning in USC and Michigan State. We're still

788
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:03,800
Speaker 2: playing football, which people were complaining that the fans in

789
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 2: East Lanting were up at three am. I even said

790
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 2: it to Jason, I go, it's three am at Michigan

791
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 2: State right now. And they're having to stay up and

792
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 2: watch this game. So there's not a lot of wiggle

793
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 2: room with this. And now do you want all of

794
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Speaker 2: these top games to be moved, say like a weekend

795
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Speaker 2: before Ohio State plays Michigan, where or Alabama or Georgia

796
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 2: would play a cupcake before their rivalry, specifically Alabama back

797
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 2: in the day. You're gonna move a tough game there.

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Speaker 2: It's just to me, it's fantasy.

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Speaker 1: Talk, That's what I'm saying. Yeah, it's but like you're

800
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Speaker 1: talking about Kirk herb Street, right, he is. There's no

801
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: man more synonymous with college football over the past twenty

802
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: years than Kirk kurb Street. And it's a lot like

803
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Speaker 1: you have a government official who's totally normal that all

804
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 1: of a sudden they're like spitting out conspiracy theories. You're like, dude,

805
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: what happened to you? Have you been on the internet

806
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 1: too long? Right? Wait? You are super normal and now

807
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,919
Speaker 1: you believe nothing and you've ever been taught no matter

808
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,240
Speaker 1: how provable. It is, like, this is Kirk kerb Street,

809
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: who knows how on some level TV schedules how it

810
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 1: all works. You know that you can't get all the

811
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Speaker 1: games in at once, and how these big time coaches

812
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: are like, look, we need to space some games out

813
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 1: and what works for TV, what doesn't work for TV.

814
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: And now you're coming on and you literally look like

815
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Speaker 1: an internet troll, be like, hey, if there's a commissioner,

816
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: they'll spread the games out. You know, you do know

817
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Speaker 1: it's next week, right, Kirk.

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Speaker 2: Red River? Rov is it? No, It's not like it's

819
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Speaker 2: two weeks.

820
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Speaker 1: So no, No. Next week is Florida State Miami, which

821
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Speaker 1: is a really big game. If Florida State beats Virginia.

822
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Speaker 1: If they don't, then it's let's make fun of Florida

823
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Speaker 1: State or may make fun of Alabama. We have no

824
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Speaker 1: idea if that's going to be a big game or

825
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,400
Speaker 1: not going to be big game. Next week. Van de

826
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Speaker 1: Bama is next week. That looks like a gigantic game.

827
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Speaker 1: But what happens with Bama this week? And right now?

828
00:44:03,400 --> 00:44:08,600
Speaker 1: Vandy's the surprise of the league. Boise State Notre Dame

829
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 1: is next week. Before the year, you would have thought, well,

830
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: that's a hell of a game, two teams from the

831
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: college football playoff matching back up. But right now do

832
00:44:16,120 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: you do you think that way?

833
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Speaker 3: No?

834
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Speaker 1: Texas, Florida Florida stinks. That would have been probably the

835
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Speaker 1: biggest game heading into the year. Wisconsin Michigan not a

836
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Speaker 1: big game after how Wisconsin played against Alabama. Right then

837
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 1: you get to the next week. That's exactly what you're

838
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:39,280
Speaker 1: talking about. It's that's Red River rivalry. That's Bama, Missouri, Arkansas, Tennessee,

839
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Speaker 1: South Carolina, who people thought was good against LSU, Ohio State, Illinois, Like,

840
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Speaker 1: there's no we cand where we don't have good Like,

841
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Speaker 1: what is he even talking about? It's literally like, yeah,

842
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Speaker 1: are we sure? Have you seen some of these conspiracy

843
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: theories that people think, like all these stars have body doubles,

844
00:44:57,160 --> 00:44:59,280
Speaker 1: you know, or the president, Like that's not really the president.

845
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: First it was by and now there's Trump. Like these

846
00:45:01,320 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 1: are really body dells. Like that movie Dave where Something's happened.

847
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: I almost think there's a body devil for Kirkurbstreet.

848
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Speaker 2: It just yeah, when we go to our restaurant, there's

849
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Speaker 2: five things in the menu that I'd love. I'd love

850
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Speaker 2: to order all of them at one point. Guess what

851
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:19,600
Speaker 2: you can't you gotta pick one. Maybe if you got

852
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 2: a multiple TV setup, you got to pick two. The

853
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 2: other thing with college football that I think is unique

854
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 2: to college football is everybody has their school, so I

855
00:45:31,120 --> 00:45:34,880
Speaker 2: don't have a multi TV setup at home. But tomorrow

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Speaker 2: Ohio State plays Washington at three point thirty Eastern time,

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Speaker 2: and that's gonna be the game that I'm going to

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Speaker 2: watch the most of, if not all of. So that

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Speaker 2: also means that I miss a majority of LSU and

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Speaker 2: Ole Miss. Now, maybe Ohio State Washington is on the

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Speaker 2: list of great games tomorrow, which I think it should be,

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Speaker 2: but it's also the fact of everybody's got a favorite school. Doug,

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Speaker 2: you'd want to see how Oklahoma State would play if

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Speaker 2: without Gundhy being there, So you're gonna watch that game.

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Speaker 2: Sam's gonna watch Iowa against Indiana, which again is one

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Speaker 2: of the better games that we've got. He's gonna miss

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Speaker 2: probably Ohio State Washington and have a tougher time flipping

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Speaker 2: back and forth because it's on Peacock. But there's like,

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Speaker 2: there's also that portion of it, like kirkirb Street is

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Speaker 2: in the complete minority of college football fans and how

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Speaker 2: they consume college football.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm going to quote you, but steal your

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Speaker 1: line and maybe I'll ask Dan Buyer a question. Dan

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Speaker 1: is the number three quarterback, generally made a vail to

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Speaker 1: the media.

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Speaker 2: I don't see it a lot. Don't see it a lot.

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Speaker 1: I've never been a beat reporter. I've never I've done

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Speaker 1: NFL games. I've talked to NFL people. I don't know

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Speaker 1: the protocol. I don't know the protocol. But it does

885
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Speaker 1: seem odd that the Browns would have open media and hey,

886
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Speaker 1: there's Shador. Sanders ask him a question that they asked

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Speaker 1: Shador if he felt like he was ready to play

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Speaker 1: after sitting for a couple of weeks. Here's what here's

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Speaker 1: his answer.

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Speaker 7: He had a break over.

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Speaker 5: He says, you don't learn anything I've never said on

892
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Speaker 5: the bench and said.

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Speaker 1: I learned a lot today.

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Speaker 10: You agree with him on man.

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Speaker 7: What are you talking?

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Speaker 14: He said that respect being respect him, So you know

897
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Speaker 14: that's not that's not nothing. You know I'm a place

898
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Speaker 14: to answer. You know, there's nothing I can't answer, not answer,

899
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Speaker 14: but I know for sure I'm not. Uh, I know

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Speaker 14: if you if you see the quarterback player in the

901
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Speaker 14: league right now, I know, I know I'm capable of

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Speaker 14: doing better than that.

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Speaker 1: So should yours? Sanders just pulled at Lebron James. Only

904
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Speaker 1: Lebron was talking about his son, Chador was talking about himself.

905
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Speaker 1: Let's dial back a couple of years ago where Lebron James,

906
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Speaker 1: on I felt like a random Sunday tweeted out that

907
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Speaker 1: that Bronni was better than half the dudes in the league.

908
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Speaker 1: Was that? Was that the Was that the the exact quote,

909
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Speaker 1: Dan Bayer? Was it half the guys? Or was it

910
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Speaker 1: some of these guys?

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Speaker 2: I'm taking a look here. Uh it's uh, if you

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Speaker 2: see he said, if you see the quarterback playing the

913
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Speaker 2: league right now, I know I'm capable of better of

914
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Speaker 2: Oh of Bronni. Oh, I'm sorry, I was listening to

915
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Speaker 2: a Kevin Stefanski cut because he responded to Shador Sanders,

916
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Speaker 2: I don't know the Bronni cut.

917
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Speaker 5: Okay, this is Bronni's tweet, This is Lebron's tweet. Man

918
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Speaker 5: Bronni definitely better than some of these cats I've been

919
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Speaker 5: watching on League Past today. Crap, lightweight, hilarious, four emojis

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Speaker 5: of laughing faces.

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Speaker 1: Right, So he didn't say half. He said he's he's

922
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Speaker 1: better than some of these guys. And that was when

923
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Speaker 1: Bronni was in college at US coming off the bench

924
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Speaker 1: for one of the worst teams in the Pac twelve

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Speaker 1: that year, and of course he was coming back from

926
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Speaker 1: some sort of cardiac arrest. Do we have the Stefanski sound?

927
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Speaker 2: Uh no, the audio isn't good. I was listening to

928
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Speaker 2: it again.

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Speaker 1: I understand there are people and and the people that

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Speaker 1: are like the Shador Sanders, flag Waivers everybody I most

931
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Speaker 1: of those people have it's died down because really, Dion

932
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Speaker 1: did them no good when he admitted that he didn't

933
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Speaker 1: want him to play for the Ravens. And who is

934
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Speaker 1: the other team that had the quarterback that he said

935
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Speaker 1: he didn't want to play for and they called him

936
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Speaker 1: I don't know, but the Ravens were the big one, right,

937
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Speaker 1: You're like, wait, what, you don't want him to play?

938
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Speaker 1: You don't want to be on the Ravens Like kind

939
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Speaker 1: of seems like a pretty good place to learn, then

940
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Speaker 1: you hear Shador's cut, then you watch Chador how he

941
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Speaker 1: handles himself. I understand that Shadoor Sanders may represent something

942
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Speaker 1: to you that he doesn't to me. I think he

943
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Speaker 1: was just a really good college player and we got

944
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Speaker 1: to figure out and the Browns or whoever has him

945
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Speaker 1: has to figure out if he can be an NFL

946
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Speaker 1: starting quarterback or if he's an NFL backup. I don't

947
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Speaker 1: think he's a career backup because he doesn't feel like

948
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Speaker 1: he wants to be a backup. Because if you're invested

949
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Speaker 1: in the backup role, then the only possible answer, and

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Speaker 1: the first thing is you shouldn't be interviewed. The second

951
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Speaker 1: thing is the only possible answer should be Hey, if

952
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Speaker 1: I sit there for I'm ready to play. It doesn't matter.

953
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Speaker 1: My job is to get Joe Flacco ready, to make

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Speaker 1: sure he has every answer to every question that he's

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Speaker 1: going to see. And my job, if I'm the scout

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Speaker 1: team quarterback, is to get that defense ready. That's my

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Speaker 1: job on the week. Do I watch? Yeah? I mean

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Speaker 1: I have so much to learn, right, And it wasn't

959
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Speaker 1: a I don't feel like it was an unfair question

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Speaker 1: to use a quote and I don't know who he

961
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Speaker 1: was quoting that said I didn't learn anything when I

962
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Speaker 1: was sitting on the bench. That's when Schendor can correct him.

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Speaker 1: He's like, well, I've been send on the bench and

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Speaker 1: I've learned a ton. But much like we criticized Russell

965
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Speaker 1: Wilson for not being a human being, I would say

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Speaker 1: the same thing for for Shador Sanders.

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Speaker 2: Yea by I was just gonna say. Kevin Stefanski did

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Speaker 2: say when he asked about it, said they prepare all

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Speaker 2: of their players to get ready to play, and it's

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Speaker 2: something that they take pride in, something that they do

971
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Speaker 2: every minute is to get every player ready to play.

972
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Speaker 2: So all of their players are ready to play.

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Speaker 1: And I'm not going to sit here and tell you

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Speaker 1: it's wrong for Chadoor to have confidence, nor it's wrong

975
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Speaker 1: that Sure thinks he can play. Every guy who plays

976
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Speaker 1: quarterback in the league believes if you give me what

977
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Speaker 1: some other guy has, right, you give me what they

978
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Speaker 1: got in Minnesota with that coach, that running game. When

979
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Speaker 1: when Aaron Jones is healthy, that those wide receivers like

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Speaker 1: I'd be great. So what Shador Sanders is saying is

981
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Speaker 1: is not inaccurate to him and how he feels. But

982
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Speaker 1: he just lacks any sort of ability to read the room.

983
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Speaker 1: That's it. That's what. That's what, that's what it lacks

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Speaker 1: at the end of the day,