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Speaker 3: And I'm like, he's so nice. Yeah, I'm saying, thank

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Speaker 3: know what, let's do selfie. Come on, come Oure'll do

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Speaker 3: So rewind that story now and see it from his

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Speaker 1: I have talking about And I.

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Speaker 3: Told the guy I feel so, but you can delete it,

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Speaker 3: you think you've achieved in life. There's a guy who

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Speaker 3: That would be confusing. You're standing there, go to Brian

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Speaker 1: I mean, when was that or does he still do that?

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Speaker 1: One thing, did you so? Conan O'Brien's probably really closer

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Speaker 1: Feel like people can look at me and say, what

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Speaker 1: was that guy to wearing a suit for? He's not

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Speaker 4: Go out knowing a thing about you?

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Speaker 1: Right? You just could tell by looking at me that's

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Speaker 2: Hey, you think he borrowed that suit or star or something.

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Speaker 2: Let's trying to impress Look at the dipshit in the

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Speaker 2: suit trying the kid right exactly?

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Speaker 1: That's what I think.

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Speaker 5: You guys want to hear something else about Conan as

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Speaker 5: far as you're really tall, and he had some you know,

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Speaker 5: Harold just played the clip for you one go ahead.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, spinning up on this desk. I was almost as

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Speaker 1: tall as you are. You're very tall, yes, and I'm

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Speaker 1: a freak. Yeah, it's not good.

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Speaker 3: I'm a kind of height and many people have said

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Speaker 3: that it's gonna that would hurt your career to be

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Speaker 3: and I didn't want to be this big muppet's puppet

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Speaker 1: That's interesting. I'm more interested from the side of there

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Speaker 1: are actors who wouldn't go on a show because you'd

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Speaker 1: be shorter than the host really.

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Speaker 2: Or well because you would look really really short.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: There have been a bunch of movies stars like that

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Speaker 1: I'm glad I don't have to live my life thinking

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Speaker 1: I just saw his So we were at the Warner

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Speaker 1: they have the outfitty war in Casablanca. It's like, what

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Speaker 1: is he a pigmy? Was he a fifth grader? And

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Speaker 1: who could fit in that?

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Speaker 4: He's only he was only five to eight?

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Speaker 1: Oh was even that tall? You mess up on a

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Speaker 1: tiny five eight. He had these tiny little shoes and pants.

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Speaker 2: It's like, oh yeah, he probably had a twenty five

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Speaker 2: a lot of it is love sings with Ingrid Bergmann

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Speaker 1: Not sexy.

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Speaker 4: Wow, that's amazing because his work, he just looks taller.

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Speaker 4: You just make that assumption.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, O'Brien look up at him, and everybody knows

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Speaker 1: why I never went on Conan. That's right.

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Speaker 5: Hey, just some things that you could look at on YouTube.

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Speaker 5: Conan Staring contest with Andy Richter, that's a good one.

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Speaker 5: Conan drives a ups truck kind of you remember that

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Speaker 5: the UPS driver. It's hilarious. He also visits a winery

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Speaker 5: to see how wine.

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Speaker 1: Is made, and I love that one as well. So okay,

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Speaker 1: I'll do stuff.

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Speaker 2: Excellent tips, thank you.

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Speaker 5: Well, I guess that's it.