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Speaker 1: and we all know the nineties is the goat decade.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, great movies in the nineties, including the Mighty Ducks. Right,

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Speaker 2: Best ball bro where Season one pretty good season, but

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Speaker 2: then season two happens, and you know, I had a

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Speaker 2: great finish in the Millie. We had great results in

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Speaker 2: Best ball last year. Let's just hope that season three

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Speaker 2: doesn't go like D three. I'm JJ, and over the

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Speaker 2: last couple of years, I've been doing everything I can

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Speaker 2: to be a best ball bro. And last season things

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Speaker 2: finally fell into place. I got fortieth in the DraftKings

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Speaker 2: MILLI Contest, taking home twenty thousand dollars. Maybe I became

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Speaker 2: more about this game, and I still want others to

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Speaker 2: This could be the year that you officially become a

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Speaker 2: best ball bro. This episode is sponsored by DraftKings. We've

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Speaker 2: one only on draftks. The crown is yours. Welcome into

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Speaker 2: another episode of becoming a Best ball Bro. I'm JJ Zachariason,

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Speaker 2: joined as always by Rich Ryan Rich. Great to see

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Speaker 2: your face. How's it going, buddy?

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Speaker 1: Likewise, Buddy, things are amazing. The World Series of Poker

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Speaker 1: As I said at the top, the Knicks here in

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Speaker 2: It is funny every time we do, because this is

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Speaker 2: season three. For those of you who have not been

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Speaker 2: you heard from the intro that this is a little

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Speaker 2: because number one, a lot of people were asking for it,

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Speaker 1: And Bestball itself is ever changing. The strategies with which

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Speaker 1: It's fine, that's right, fine, I'm I'm finding myself's go

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Speaker 2: And it's it's wild because you know, early best ball

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Speaker 1: challenging to find a break glass in case of emergency stack.

430
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Speaker 1: Once you start nearing like the eighth ninth round, like

431
00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,240
Speaker 1: there's not like the only the only one that kind

432
00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:23,840
Speaker 1: of makes sense, And I think I'm gonna have a

433
00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:28,000
Speaker 1: discussing amount because I'm a biased loser. Is some sort

434
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Speaker 1: of geno Cooper cidik action because that's kind of an

435
00:20:31,880 --> 00:20:35,200
Speaker 1: easy break glass, grab them all late and stick them together.

436
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Speaker 1: But outside of the Jets, it's it's challenging to like

437
00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,480
Speaker 1: pivot in the middle of the draft and build the

438
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Speaker 1: plane while you're flying it.

439
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, like even a team like the Steelers, Right,

440
00:20:47,280 --> 00:20:49,879
Speaker 2: you can maybe make the argument of like a like

441
00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:53,600
Speaker 2: I've done, like the Rogers, Pat Fryarmuth sometimes Jeremy Bernard

442
00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:56,080
Speaker 2: kind of look more so Pat Fryarmuth in that case,

443
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,600
Speaker 2: but like, yeah, it's still not even like a very

444
00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,639
Speaker 2: appealing situation. It's not like a very obvious stack that

445
00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:04,720
Speaker 2: you can go to, you know, late not that there

446
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,440
Speaker 2: would be a ton of like really high upside late

447
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:10,080
Speaker 2: round stacks. But you're right, I think that the Jets

448
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,200
Speaker 2: are are an interesting case. You know. But you run

449
00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:15,679
Speaker 2: into the same thing with Geno Smith arguably, you know

450
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:17,720
Speaker 2: you I mean close your ears rich as a Jets fan,

451
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,040
Speaker 2: but you you you you run into the same thing

452
00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,000
Speaker 2: with Geno Smith arguably as you might with Jacoby Brissett.

453
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 2: Like there's a very real possibility that the Jets are

454
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:28,520
Speaker 2: bad and that they want to just see what they

455
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 2: have and other players down the stretch.

456
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Speaker 1: Maybe, I mean, there's no other quarterback on the like

457
00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:36,680
Speaker 1: it's going to come down to.

458
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Speaker 3: Whether you're not a Clubnick guy. You know, you know

459
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:40,840
Speaker 3: it comes it's going to come down to whether or not.

460
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Speaker 1: So if Club Nick again, this is where we can

461
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Speaker 1: learn something over the summer, but we won't learn it

462
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Speaker 1: until closer to the end of the summer. If if

463
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Speaker 1: Club Nick is the bang on number two, you're right

464
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:51,440
Speaker 1: there are out.

465
00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,440
Speaker 2: That's yes, that's that would be the assumption in this case.

466
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah.

467
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Speaker 1: But if like if he and it's it's it's actually

468
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Speaker 1: good the way it's set up, because I mean, if

469
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,439
Speaker 1: you can't beat out Bailey's appy, like what are we

470
00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,800
Speaker 1: doing here, then you're like you're never gonna have a

471
00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,800
Speaker 1: chance to play. But yeah, to your point, even that

472
00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:14,360
Speaker 1: it's disgusting, like get your quarterbacks, guys, that's the only

473
00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:15,359
Speaker 1: thing that agreed.

474
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 2: I want you do have to think about that stability though,

475
00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 2: is really the greater point. Like I don't want to

476
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,960
Speaker 2: make it seem like I feel like Geno it equals

477
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 2: Jacoby Brissett, because I think the the Arizona situation is

478
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:30,679
Speaker 2: a lot more fragile than the jet situation. I'm just

479
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:35,760
Speaker 2: saying there's an out here where Gino does not necessarily

480
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:38,800
Speaker 2: play like weeks sixteen in seventeen eighteen, right, Like, there's

481
00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 2: there's like a possibility of that happening where you don't

482
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 2: have that, Like I feel less of that happening with

483
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 2: a cam Ward type where they're gonna just need to

484
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,760
Speaker 2: give them the full season. They need to see what

485
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 2: they have to be able to make a decision after

486
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 2: this year, and there's obviously more upside with a guy

487
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 2: like Ward than there would be Geno. But yeah, it's

488
00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,679
Speaker 2: it's a it's a really really tough thing to find

489
00:22:59,119 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 2: those late stat but I would roll that into it's

490
00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 2: hard in general to find, Like this is the last

491
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 2: thing I wanna talk about about the landscape right now.

492
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,560
Speaker 2: It's really hard to find good late round picks. I'm

493
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:12,439
Speaker 2: going to talk about some players later on in the

494
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 2: show in just a minute. But I might be hyperbolic

495
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 2: in a way here when I say this, but it

496
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 2: does feel like the round seventeen to twenty players are

497
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:25,560
Speaker 2: worse this year than in previous years, and I think

498
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:28,320
Speaker 2: a lot of that probably has to do with the

499
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 2: comfort of the rookie class. It just it's a class

500
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,600
Speaker 2: where I mean, I said it during prospecting season. I

501
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 2: said it after the draft. We have a lot of

502
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 2: wide receivers that are viable, but they are very mid

503
00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 2: as the kids say, right, they're just there's just not

504
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,679
Speaker 2: a lot of like stand out obvious. I love this,

505
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 2: you know, day two wide receiver type players and I'm

506
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 2: gonna draft a lot. There's some I'm gonna talk about one,

507
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 2: but there aren't a ton of them that I feel

508
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 2: super super great about. And then at running back, it

509
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 2: was arguably the weakest class that we've seen. I mean

510
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,680
Speaker 2: at least since that one a few year or a

511
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 2: couple of years ago. But even when you look at

512
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,880
Speaker 2: the landscape over the last like fifteen years, those two

513
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 2: are are two of the worst that we've that we've seen.

514
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 2: If not for Jeremiah Love, this clas would be even like,

515
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 2: like way way more putrid. And we saw that through

516
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 2: draft capital. We just didn't see the same amount of

517
00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 2: running backs, you know, drafted early or drafted in general.

518
00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 2: And then you get guys like Kylon Black, who you know,

519
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:30,440
Speaker 2: like is it gets the draft capital, but has question

520
00:24:30,480 --> 00:24:32,919
Speaker 2: marks as a profile as a from a from an

521
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 2: analytics standpoint and from a profile standpoint. So my general

522
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 2: stance is that it's pretty difficult to rely on some

523
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 2: late round picks. So that being said, I think if

524
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 2: there's one position that you can rely on very late

525
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 2: right now, my feeling is probably tight end. I don't

526
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,919
Speaker 2: mind some of the high upside late round darts. And

527
00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 2: you can go with four tight end builds on DraftKings,

528
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 2: which makes it nice, like you can you can go

529
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 2: that route if you do indeed, you know, don't invest

530
00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 2: in the position unto like round fifteen, you can just

531
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:03,840
Speaker 2: get four tight ends and there are you know, some

532
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 2: viable guys up through round twenty that you that you

533
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 2: can go after.

534
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Speaker 1: This is one hundred percent And this is what I

535
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: was alluding to at the top. We've seen the NFL

536
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:15,199
Speaker 1: change its focus to the tight end position with a

537
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:18,280
Speaker 1: lot more twelve and like in the Rams case, running

538
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,800
Speaker 1: a bunch of thirteen. And what I'm feeling in these drafts,

539
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 1: these running backs and receivers in the late double digit

540
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: rounds are They're just disgusting.

541
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,200
Speaker 3: And there are.

542
00:25:31,119 --> 00:25:35,640
Speaker 1: So many outs to you not getting any production from

543
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 1: these players, like even before we bring in injury, right,

544
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: like will these guys see the field? And if they

545
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 1: do see the field, can they even be good? Enough

546
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,520
Speaker 1: to be productive in the NFL. Couple that with the

547
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: increase of tight end usage, and then even before this season,

548
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,240
Speaker 1: we see a massive dedication of draft capital throughout the

549
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 1: draft from multiple teams to this position, which lead led

550
00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:01,640
Speaker 1: me to the same after like my first half dozen

551
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,439
Speaker 1: drafts of I'm going to be very comfortable waiting on

552
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 1: tight end and then just at the end, just sprang

553
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,920
Speaker 1: a bunch of picks at tight end because we're getting

554
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: this combination of guys that are going to see the

555
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,000
Speaker 1: field because teams are rolling out twelve and then there's

556
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 1: also pathways through injury or through production for some of

557
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 1: these guys to just have really good seasons too, Like

558
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: the type of draft capital that was just put in

559
00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 1: Eli Stowers, like and the AJ Brown departing, Like there's

560
00:26:31,280 --> 00:26:33,680
Speaker 1: a path to him being very useful for the Eagles

561
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: this season, and you can get him in the seventeenth

562
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 1: round right now.

563
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 2: Right right. It's crazy because, like I mean, if you

564
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,280
Speaker 2: guys listen to my stuff during the pre draft process,

565
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 2: you know that, like Zacharia Branch was someone that I

566
00:26:44,560 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 2: was not super super into because of the way that

567
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 2: he was deployed and his production profile really wasn't that great.

568
00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 2: He falls into a pretty good spot in Atlanta where

569
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 2: I think something can happen, and I basically ended up

570
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,479
Speaker 2: at market with Zacharia Branch at the end of the day,

571
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 2: which is why sometimes I regret having super strong takes

572
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 2: pre draft, because I know there's gonna be someone out

573
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 2: there that's like, oh, you hated this guy. Yeah, I

574
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,680
Speaker 2: didn't like him as a prospect, that's for sure, but

575
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 2: you know, situation in landing spot still matter. But it's

576
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,000
Speaker 2: crazy that a player like that that I objectively think

577
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:18,480
Speaker 2: is a very average to blow average prospect for where

578
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 2: he was drafted is someone that I'm still taking in

579
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 2: Best Ball and the nineteen twentieth round because that's just

580
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,120
Speaker 2: how weak that whole. You know, I'm drafting like Jalen

581
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,399
Speaker 2: Tolbert right now. You know, it's it's just gross at

582
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,399
Speaker 2: the non tight end positions. But we'll talk about some

583
00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,480
Speaker 2: players late that I am going after in just a second.

584
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 2: The one thing I do want to touch on is

585
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 2: how I've approached thing so far, and I'm gonna hear

586
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,840
Speaker 2: sort of if you have seen things similarly and you're

587
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 2: drafting things similarly similarly, I think we're back to it

588
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 2: like a three quarterback, five or six running back, eight

589
00:27:52,880 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 2: or nine wide receiver, three tight end build as sort

590
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 2: of the meta, the baseline, the go to. The thing

591
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 2: is I'm getting a lot of five running back teams

592
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:03,040
Speaker 2: because I'm investing in running back early, like I'm I'm

593
00:28:03,119 --> 00:28:05,520
Speaker 2: often going running back running back or you know, it

594
00:28:05,560 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 2: was I was drafting some Josh Jacobs, you know, in

595
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 2: round three he was like the most the easiest in

596
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 2: my opinion to get at that point. Obviously things have

597
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 2: changed a little bit with his ADP and and the

598
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,520
Speaker 2: off the field stuff. But regardless, like I think that

599
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 2: a running back running back start is intuitive, makes a

600
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 2: lot of sense, and then you can kind of choose

601
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 2: your own adventure in round four and five, Like you

602
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,359
Speaker 2: could realistically get a third running back as early as

603
00:28:28,440 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 2: round four in that In that case, whether it's like

604
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:35,240
Speaker 2: a Javante for some stability, or David Montgomery or Cam

605
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 2: Skataboo if you want to risk the injury or you know,

606
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 2: then you get into that five to six range, there's

607
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 2: nothing better than having Trayvon Henderson or bay Shall Tuton

608
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,600
Speaker 2: as an RB three on your team. Like that, that's

609
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 2: gonna be the case. In season long. But that's also

610
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 2: the case in best ball, where that's like the perfect scenario. Now,

611
00:28:53,720 --> 00:28:55,760
Speaker 2: if you do that, then you have to adjust and say, Okay,

612
00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 2: I won't get Tyler Warren in the sixth, I'll pound

613
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 2: wide receiver because I don't want to fall behind a

614
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 2: wide receiver. All that stuff, right, Like, we will get

615
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 2: into that as the summer goes on about how you know,

616
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 2: balancing your team and you know, investments early mean less

617
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 2: investment late, all that kind of stuff. But I do

618
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 2: think a five running back build is gonna be a

619
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 2: little bit more common for me this year than it

620
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 2: was last year, even probably half and half, five and six,

621
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 2: just depending on how I'm investing at the run in

622
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 2: the running back position. But it's more of like a three,

623
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: five or six, eight or nine and then three build

624
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 2: and then, like I said, feeling okay about some of

625
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 2: those late round tight ends, which makes going three or

626
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,000
Speaker 2: four sometimes a little bit easier.

627
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: When you run up four tight ends, I kind of

628
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 1: had a I got excited. That's something I haven't even

629
00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:39,320
Speaker 1: played around with. But the thing about going early running

630
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: back and then going fewer running backs is again, I

631
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: don't want to be in round eighteen looking at Chris

632
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: Brooks and James Connor and being like, I need to

633
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,680
Speaker 1: throw somebody in my running back room, Like I don't

634
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: think that is a wise way to approach this.

635
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,719
Speaker 2: Right Yeah, And I'm still doing it because you sometimes

636
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: you're forced to, you know, like some like sometimes you're like, oh, well,

637
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 2: I didn't address this as much as I should have

638
00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 2: earlier on, and so oh, all of a sudden, I've

639
00:30:04,120 --> 00:30:07,440
Speaker 2: got a draft and take a chance that Josh Jacobs

640
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,760
Speaker 2: doesn't play, or in that they don't because like even

641
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 2: in these scenarios, right, like for James Connor to hit,

642
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 2: for instance, you probably like ideally need a trade, right

643
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:20,000
Speaker 2: Like that's or like a serious injury or two. But

644
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 2: like that's that's the way that that pans out for

645
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 2: Chris Brooks to really pan out. It's Josh Jacobs gets

646
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 2: suspended and they don't sign it, or you trade for somebody,

647
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 2: which I think they would in the in the scenario

648
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 2: if Josh Jacobs were to be sidelined anyway, because it's

649
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 2: obviously a competitive team and they have one of the

650
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,560
Speaker 2: worst depth charts behind their starter in the NFL right now,

651
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 2: it's just there's there's not much going on there at all.

652
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 1: All these running backs and receivers in the late double

653
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: digeer rounds need a parly to have any type of success,

654
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,360
Speaker 1: whereas the tight ends are gonna be on the field

655
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: and could just fall in the end zone.

656
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 2: You can make the argument that this is something that

657
00:30:53,320 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 2: we will see every year and that it's but I

658
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,719
Speaker 2: don't agree totally, Like I think this year's worse, Like

659
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 2: there have been other seasons where we at least knew

660
00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,120
Speaker 2: some of these wide receivers were going to be out

661
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,719
Speaker 2: there in two wide receiver sets, or some of these

662
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,959
Speaker 2: running backs had like a very clear backup role, you know,

663
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 2: that that we felt strongly about and that that we

664
00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:18,600
Speaker 2: could that we could go after that player. I just

665
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,080
Speaker 2: don't feel that way at all right now. And maybe

666
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,520
Speaker 2: maybe we get some more clarity as the summer goes on.

667
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 2: Maybe maybe it is just the timing of it. You know,

668
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 2: we're recording this on June and second it's going on

669
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 2: on June third, and so you know, maybe maybe that's

670
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: all going to play some role in making us feel

671
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,600
Speaker 2: more comfortable. But right now today I think that you

672
00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,240
Speaker 2: do need to feel a little more stable, Like if

673
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 2: you can get to round eighteen. That's what I kind

674
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 2: of felt like today with the draft that I had

675
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 2: posted on discord. If you can get to round eighteen

676
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 2: and be like this is a complete team, I can

677
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 2: just do whatever I want in the last two or

678
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 2: three rounds, that's where you need to be.

679
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: I think this time of year, I think your point

680
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,480
Speaker 1: about a trade, I think we just need to be

681
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: prayer circle. We need we need Tank Dell to get traded.

682
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: We need j Connor to get traded. We need these

683
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 1: guys that Kaishan Boody come out. Where's he going like?

684
00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: We need these guys to go to some exciting teams.

685
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 2: By the way, but those players, like I think Stefan

686
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 2: Diggs right now is a great pick because anywhere Stefan

687
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 2: Diggs goes, he's going to see an upticking ADP. We

688
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 2: see this all the time, right So, draft Stephan Dicks.

689
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 2: I've been throwing darts at Kaishan Boudy because what if,

690
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:25,959
Speaker 2: like Booty goes almost anywhere he probably is is going

691
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 2: to be drafted higher than where he's being drafted right now,

692
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 2: more than likely.

693
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:29,920
Speaker 1: Uh.

694
00:32:30,040 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 2: And I think there's some spots like a Washington for instance,

695
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 2: where we're all assuming that that there are other perimeter

696
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 2: guy's gonna be like Ayuk and maybe even like a Dig's.

697
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 2: But what if it is Kaishan Boudy. I think Booty

698
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 2: works really well with what they need like that, that's

699
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 2: kind of the perfect type of player to add to

700
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Speaker 2: their arsenal, to just have something which would hurt a

701
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 2: guy I'm going to talk about here in a second,

702
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 2: maybe we should just kick that off right now and

703
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 2: just talk about some some players that I've been I mean,

704
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 2: I feel like this is what we do to start

705
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 2: becoming a basketball bro every year, just to give you

706
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,960
Speaker 2: guys a little sneak peak as to what my exposure

707
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 2: looks like right now. But I'm talking about Washington. I'll

708
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 2: just talk about Antonio Williams. Like I have a lot

709
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 2: of Antonio wills I got a lot of them pre draft.

710
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,800
Speaker 2: He was one of the players in the when I

711
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 2: talked on the Late Round show about rookies to get

712
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: invest ball based on my rankings and what ADP was saying,

713
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 2: Antonio Williams was the biggest gap at that point pre

714
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 2: draft because I don't think that the market at that

715
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,080
Speaker 2: time realized that he was going to get good draft capital.

716
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 2: But Antonio Williams himself wasn't a bad prospect. I don't

717
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: think he was like phenomenal, but he had a pretty

718
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:39,640
Speaker 2: decent age adjustin production profile where he got production immediately

719
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 2: in college. It just didn't give us. He never gave

720
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 2: us that like Spike season. You know, it never got

721
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 2: tremendously better. But his top comp in the ZAT model

722
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 2: was Lad mconkie. A lot of that had to do

723
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 2: with the fact that McConkie. I don't use yards perout

724
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:56,680
Speaker 2: run for various reasons in the in the ZAPP model,

725
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,160
Speaker 2: but McConkie was a good per route run guy and

726
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,080
Speaker 2: Antonio Williams was not that to nearly do that degree.

727
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 2: So take that with a grain of salt. But the

728
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 2: you know, breakout score stuff looked relatively similar. They have

729
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,719
Speaker 2: a versatile profile where I value players who get a

730
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 2: little bit of rushing work and you know, are deployed

731
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 2: in different ways. And then post draft they talked about

732
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:19,360
Speaker 2: Antonio Williams, like a lot of people were like, oh,

733
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 2: he's just a slot, but he got good like decent

734
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 2: Draft Capital Day two, Draft Capital and Washington talked about

735
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:29,280
Speaker 2: using Antonia Williams as their Z and so right now today.

736
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,720
Speaker 2: You know, we're making the assumption they're gonna like change

737
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 2: something and add something. We just did that a second

738
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,919
Speaker 2: ago and talking about Kisham Boudi. But there's a real

739
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 2: chance that Antonio Williams is just their number two wide

740
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 2: receiver this year, and even if he gets competition like

741
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,759
Speaker 2: Ayuk or something goes there. Not only is there like

742
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 2: a lot of variance and volatility with a player like

743
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 2: Brandon Ayuk because we haven't seen him playing so long

744
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:55,919
Speaker 2: and he's had some off the field stuff, but there's

745
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 2: that going on. We have no idea how good or

746
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 2: bad he would be. But even if he's like decent,

747
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 2: there's still some room for Antonio Williams to give us

748
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 2: some production in some spiked weeks.

749
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: Washington fun too, because you can go naked Jayden in

750
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 1: the sixth and then just kind of pump the brakes

751
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:11,880
Speaker 1: a little bit if you want, and then you can

752
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,279
Speaker 1: just grab Antonio and chig right there in the mid

753
00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 1: double edged rounds. So that's one of those where you

754
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: can be a little bit more flexible if you do

755
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:21,400
Speaker 1: go naked.

756
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 3: Jayden who fingers crossed.

757
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: I mean, from a watching football perspective, I think we

758
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: all want him to have a bounce back third season

759
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: because he's the electrics for sure.

760
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 2: Next guy, I'm going to talk about Lad McConkey. This

761
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 2: isn't surprising anyone who's been listening to the show. We're

762
00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 2: gonna see non eleven personnel more frequently in LA. Even

763
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: though Greg Roman, you know, is a power guy. We

764
00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:45,759
Speaker 2: still if you look at Mike McDaniel's offenses, historically, he'll

765
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 2: use you know, some two tight end sets and you know,

766
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 2: heavier personnel from that perspective, but he's a big fullback guy,

767
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 2: and so you're going to see more and more two

768
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 2: and even one wide receiver looks from the Chargers. And

769
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 2: I've refed the Ryan Heath article that I had tweeted

770
00:36:02,280 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 2: out like a couple of weeks ago when he wrote that,

771
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,759
Speaker 2: But there's a really good stat in there about how

772
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 2: Lad McConkie ran very few routes with one or two

773
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 2: wide receivers on the field, including him, whereas Jalen Waddle

774
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 2: saw that on like forty five to fifty percent of

775
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,600
Speaker 2: his routes run last season. And so I think that

776
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 2: there's a very real chance that we see McConkie, you know,

777
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,879
Speaker 2: just just get more directed targets in this offense, and

778
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: it's an offense that's going to be getting back their

779
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 2: offensive lot. You know, they are two tackles that are

780
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 2: it's huge for what they could do offensively. I mean

781
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 2: the splits, it's a small sample, but the splits with

782
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 2: with them without Ault last year for Justin Herbert incredibly insane,

783
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:48,959
Speaker 2: absolutely crazy, right, And so I think that the Chargers, Like, yes,

784
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:51,640
Speaker 2: it's kind of a bandwagony thing and like a chalky

785
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 2: thing to say and do, But I don't really think

786
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 2: ADP is reflecting it enough. I have a ton I.

787
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,400
Speaker 1: Remember it's still in the seventh the Qj's in the Like,

788
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: I feel like we should be Mike McDaniel what he

789
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 1: did with a flawed quarterback into a takaovlaalaa and having

790
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: the most efficient offense in the sport for a season,

791
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 1: probably multiple seasons. Like, I don't think it's reflected whatsoever

792
00:37:15,360 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: in eighties.

793
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, like, and I'm not saying that, like, like I

794
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 2: understand why Lad is going where he's going, but I

795
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 2: like him at the top of that tier versus more

796
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:24,399
Speaker 2: in the middle of that tier or like Qj's fine.

797
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 2: I have a ton of Trey Harris right now, because

798
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,439
Speaker 2: I think there's a chance that he just sees some

799
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 2: work and he's he's one of the few like eighteen

800
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 2: eight eighteenth round guy wide receivers that I actually think

801
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 2: is gonna see some production for us that like, I

802
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: feel good about a floor for him this year because

803
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 2: I think he'll get like something in what is a

804
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 2: good offense. And then I'll just I'll just move this

805
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 2: to Keaton Mitchell because he's another guy in this list. Now.

806
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 2: Obviously Mitchell is a probably a betteran best ball guy

807
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 2: because he you know, has the big playability that he has.

808
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 2: I don't know if his receiving upside is immense just

809
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:03,600
Speaker 2: in general. And obviously a Marion Hampton's there. I like Hampton.

810
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 2: I'm not overweight or underweight on Hampton just because I

811
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 2: like some of the other running backs that go in

812
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 2: that range. But Keaton Mitchell have a ton of Keithon

813
00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 2: Mitchell because the fit with them. With McDaniel who loves speed,

814
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:15,959
Speaker 2: I mean we saw that with the Brendon Thompson pick

815
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 2: and you know him going out. There was even the

816
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 2: video that the Chargers posted afterwards of Mike McDaniel saying

817
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,000
Speaker 2: we need to get Brennan Thompson. Can I get Brendan Thompson?

818
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 2: And they went and drafted him. Keaton Mitchell's a speed guy,

819
00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 2: and he, to me, is a perfect compliment to Marion Hampton.

820
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a it's a crazy one two punch.

821
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 2: And I know Kamanie videll is still there, who had

822
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 2: a great season last year, and I've been someone who

823
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:41,240
Speaker 2: who likes videll As as a player. But Keaton Mitchell

824
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 2: and his speed behind a good offensive line when healthy

825
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:49,280
Speaker 2: in a really elite offense potentially could bring us like multiple,

826
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 2: multiple spiked weeks. And so when I am looking for that,

827
00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 2: just like fun random upside running back where obviously, if

828
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 2: an injury happens with Marion Hampton, Keaton Mitchell wouldn't become

829
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 2: the bellcow, but he would see a little bit more work.

830
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,160
Speaker 2: I'm just attaching the running back to a really good offense.

831
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:06,400
Speaker 2: So I have a ton of Keat and Mitchell right

832
00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:06,799
Speaker 2: now too.

833
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 1: The other thing about the Chargers is with them playing

834
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,640
Speaker 1: the Chiefs in Week seventeen, nobody wants to touch Rashi

835
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 1: Rice with a fifty foot poll. True, everybody's worried about

836
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 1: Mahomes off the ACL everybody thinks Travis Kelce is completely washed.

837
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: So like Chiefs, Chargers is one of the most affordable

838
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: stacks right now and it could be an electric game with.

839
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 2: Two Yes, yeah, absolutely, another later round guy. I've been

840
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 2: drafting Jonah Coleman, JK. Dobbins, frequently injured. Jonah Coleman's solid prospect.

841
00:39:39,239 --> 00:39:42,160
Speaker 2: He's doing all. RJ. Harvey has some question marks. I

842
00:39:42,160 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 2: think it's a good environment. I'm not gonna be surprised

843
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,359
Speaker 2: if this is a three headed backfield. I think RJ.

844
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: Harvey is the most upside still in the backfield. Oddly,

845
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 2: I've kind of, you know, I've been like very anti RJ.

846
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,279
Speaker 2: Harvey throughout the offseason and calling him a cell and

847
00:39:55,360 --> 00:39:58,319
Speaker 2: such like back in January. But I actually don't think RJ.

848
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 2: Harvey is like that horrific of a click right now,

849
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 2: given the drop that we see in running back and

850
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 2: just given that range. Like I said, I like some

851
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 2: of the quarterbacks in that range in general, and just

852
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 2: kind of like building that way. But I don't think RJ.

853
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:11,280
Speaker 2: Harvey is that bad of a pick. I'm more afraid

854
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 2: of JK. Dobbins. Where Dobbins is obviously hurt a lot.

855
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 2: He's more of the early down guy, and Jonah Coleman

856
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 2: can play that. I mean, Jonah Coleman's the biggest running

857
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,000
Speaker 2: back on that team now and I think that he

858
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 2: can play that role be a goal line back as

859
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,479
Speaker 2: well potentially. You know, And where is dobbins upside really

860
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 2: coming from? Is my question? Like he had a four

861
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,920
Speaker 2: percent target share last year, He's not He's not deployed

862
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 2: as a receivers and this is a full PPR platform.

863
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 2: So I've mostly you know, I was in on Dobbins

864
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 2: last year at his cost, but I've I've faded Dobbins

865
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 2: this year because of all of that. It's just a

866
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 2: very scary profile in my opinion. So Jonah Coleman as

867
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 2: a later round pick I do like a decent bit.

868
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,759
Speaker 2: I'll move on to another running back that I think

869
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 2: everyone should be clicking more of. That's Sean Tucker in

870
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 2: the late rounds. Bucky Irving has the question marks that

871
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 2: he has. You know, no one on that roster in

872
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,399
Speaker 2: that backfield is quite like Sean Tucker in terms of

873
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 2: being more of a between the tackles bruiser. You know,

874
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,160
Speaker 2: I think that he can be a pass catcher. He

875
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 2: actually did that in college quite well, but he was

876
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,520
Speaker 2: an all around back, one of the best. Sean Tucker

877
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 2: is one of the best Zap model running backs for

878
00:41:14,680 --> 00:41:16,640
Speaker 2: an undrafted guy, and the reason he went undrafted is

879
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:18,959
Speaker 2: because he had that heart condition, and so he's done

880
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 2: well at times throughout his career when he's gotten more work.

881
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 2: Towards the end of last year, he was their goal

882
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 2: line guy, which I think could happen again this year

883
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:30,800
Speaker 2: with Bucky Irving having question marks health wise and Kenneth

884
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 2: Gainwell just not being that kind of player. So I

885
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 2: think Sean Tucker again one of the very very few

886
00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 2: running backs you can get very late that should give

887
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:42,320
Speaker 2: you some sort of floor. You know, in that offense.

888
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 2: The biggest question mark is that they have Zach Robinson

889
00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 2: now and who knows what that offense is truly going

890
00:41:48,200 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 2: to look like. But you know, there is still some

891
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 2: stability with the coaching staff there and they might have

892
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 2: some input on what they should be doing with with

893
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:57,040
Speaker 2: Sean Tucker.

894
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 3: Shawn Tucker has proof of concept.

895
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:01,719
Speaker 1: The running backs around him are all mid rookies who

896
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 1: were going to be grasping for straws to see what

897
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 1: their productivity is going to be in their offenses, right,

898
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:11,239
Speaker 1: Nick Singleton, Emma Johnson, Mike Washington, Kateron Allen, what are

899
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: these guys going to be?

900
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 3: We don't know. So at least a Tucker, we have

901
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 3: proof of concept.

902
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 2: Realistically, maybe I shouldn't because this is off the dome, okay,

903
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 2: but realistically I feel like Sean Tucker's like sixtieth and

904
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,879
Speaker 2: seventieth percentile outcome is k Tron Allen's like ninetieth percentile outcome? Right,

905
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 2: Because it's the same kind of kind of use case

906
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 2: here where you are looking at an early down bruiser,

907
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 2: and yes, there's an easier depth chart to climb for

908
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 2: k Tron Allen than Sean Tucker, and maybe it ends

909
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 2: up being a better environment. But we do have that

910
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:47,080
Speaker 2: proof of concept, like you're saying, you know, for Tucker

911
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 2: in the NFL, and already are already having proven that.

912
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,720
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's an interesting discussion to have for sure.

913
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 2: The other thing I want to talk about is another

914
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,719
Speaker 2: player is Tyler Warren, who I didn't really expect to

915
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 2: be in on this year, But you get to that

916
00:43:00,840 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: sixth round range and there's a drop off at basically

917
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 2: every position and if you're not stacking at quarterback right there,

918
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:09,239
Speaker 2: then in there then it's really easy to get the

919
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 2: tight end, and you know, get a guy who really

920
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 2: there's not many alternatives in Indianapolis. I like Josh Downs

921
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 2: a lot too. I don't mind Alec Pierce, which I

922
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:18,920
Speaker 2: thought I was gonna be out on Alec Pearce, but

923
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 2: his price has been totally reasonable, surprisingly this offseason. But

924
00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,200
Speaker 2: those are the only three guys that were really worried

925
00:43:24,239 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 2: about from a pass catching standpoint in Indianapolis right now.

926
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 2: Tyler Warren should get a lot of manufacturer touches. You know,

927
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,799
Speaker 2: his splits with him without Daniel Jones were massive last year.

928
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 2: He was great with Daniel Jones. So I like Tyler

929
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 2: Warren in that sixth round range.

930
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: Realistically, shouldn't him and Colson lovel be closer in ADP Probably?

931
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,320
Speaker 2: I look, I have a hard time with Loveland from

932
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 2: not from the stand like. He's one of the hardest

933
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 2: players to rank for me. So I don't mean a

934
00:43:49,600 --> 00:43:52,080
Speaker 2: hard time drafting him. I mean a hard time like

935
00:43:52,680 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: knowing exactly where he should go. It's difficult because the

936
00:43:56,560 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 2: upside is crazy for Colson Lovelin. I I think Colston

937
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 2: Lovelan could very easily be like the next big fantasy

938
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 2: you know, like the next Travis Kelsey type player, you know,

939
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 2: the breaking fantasy football type guy. And I don't want

940
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 2: to miss out on that. So I'm not gonna be

941
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 2: below market on Colson Lovelan. I don't think this year,

942
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 2: or at least, you know, like like immensely below. The

943
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 2: environment's great. We saw, I mean, his usage down the

944
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:25,319
Speaker 2: stretch and in the playoffs was crazy, right, and so,

945
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 2: but I do agree that Tyler Warren is undervalued and

946
00:44:28,600 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 2: should be closer to that Loveland ADP. It's just that

947
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 2: I think Loveland could even go higher realistically, depending on

948
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 2: how you want to build the problem is that we've

949
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 2: talked about tight ends already, and why maybe going elite

950
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,640
Speaker 2: tight end isn't as easy in this scenario right now,

951
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 2: just because we don't have as much information about the

952
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 2: late round guys, about the late round running back and

953
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:47,800
Speaker 2: wide receivers.

954
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, the difference with Colson, you're competing like are you

955
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:54,359
Speaker 1: going to take Karl Wilson or team act there whereas

956
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: you're competing, like you said, with a lot less down

957
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 1: with Tyler Warren.

958
00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:00,279
Speaker 2: Yes, all right, I'll go through a few more and

959
00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 2: then we got to get out of here. Chris Godwin,

960
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 2: I've been drafting a lot of him coming off that

961
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 2: brutal injury last year. It's expected that he wasn't gonna

962
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 2: have crazy great numbers, but that the Zach Robinson tie

963
00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:15,320
Speaker 2: to Gobham potentially playing the slot and that being a

964
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:19,319
Speaker 2: pretty favorable area for Robinson wide receivers, and it being

965
00:45:19,360 --> 00:45:21,760
Speaker 2: kind of a dead area in the draft at running

966
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:24,200
Speaker 2: back and wide receiver. I think Godwin's gonna be able

967
00:45:24,239 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 2: to give us some love. I mean, we're seeing understandably,

968
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 2: so Abuka has been rising even more. He's like the

969
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 2: a Mecca. Buka is like the guy in drafts, for

970
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 2: whatever reason, is the one in round four who was

971
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 2: in round four who's risen the most from all of

972
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 2: the chaos going on with Rashid Rice, Josh Jacobs, the

973
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 2: AJ Brown stuff all that. For some reason, the Mecca

974
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 2: Buka is the one that's been rising the most from

975
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:51,719
Speaker 2: an ADP perspective. And maybe it's a little bit of

976
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,000
Speaker 2: the coach speaks stuff or what have you, and maybe

977
00:45:54,040 --> 00:45:56,360
Speaker 2: it's a group thing thing. But I don't want to

978
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 2: forget about Chris Godwin through all that. You guys know

979
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 2: that I'm a big a Mecca Buka fan, but I

980
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,240
Speaker 2: don't want to lose sight of the fact that Godwin

981
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 2: is playing without Mike Evans this year, Like Mike Mike

982
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 2: Evans is gone, and Godwin has a very reasonable ADP,

983
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 2: even considering he might not blow up, he might not

984
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 2: be incredible, but two years ago, before that devastating injury,

985
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:19,080
Speaker 2: he was a top three wide receiver in the NFL.

986
00:46:19,280 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 2: He was going nuts. He was blowing up himself as

987
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 2: a player before the leg did. And so I'm really

988
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 2: hoping that that Godwin has a nice little bounce back.

989
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:32,160
Speaker 2: So I've been drafting him. I got DeVante Smith pretty

990
00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 2: high right now. I was drafting him a lot before

991
00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:37,520
Speaker 2: the AJ Brown thing. I'm shocked that AJ Brown has

992
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 2: been moving as much as he has post trade already,

993
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 2: and this is twenty four hours basically after that trade

994
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 2: was announced. But I've seen him go in the in

995
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 2: round two, you know, like mid round two consistently, some

996
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,799
Speaker 2: people have said they draft him over Drake London. I'm

997
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: shocked by that, Like I just didn't. I didn't think

998
00:46:54,120 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 2: that is Like I knew his ADP would move just

999
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 2: because that's the way that Drafters draft, I just didn't

1000
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 2: think it would move that significantly. I do have Ma

1001
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,959
Speaker 2: Tier ahead of Devonte Smith, but I love Devonte Smith

1002
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 2: as a player, and I think that he can easily

1003
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,280
Speaker 2: take a step forward without a J. Brown. His splits

1004
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 2: without either God or Goddard or a J. Brown historically

1005
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 2: have been great. And I'm really a fan of what

1006
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 2: this new offense.

1007
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:14,719
Speaker 1: Like.

1008
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 2: We can't under sell how bad Kevin Patula was last year,

1009
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 2: right like, we just it's just it was really really bad.

1010
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 2: So DeVante Smith is one. Two more, I'll give you

1011
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:27,320
Speaker 2: two late round tight end darts. I did mention Pat Fryarmouth.

1012
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 2: I don't have him listen on here. The two that

1013
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,279
Speaker 2: I've been going to most are Greg Dolcic, who market score.

1014
00:47:33,320 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: If you guys, listen to the league's favorite target.

1015
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 2: Apparently League willis his favorite receiver right now. Greg Dolcers

1016
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 2: had a really really efficient twenty twenty five season. He

1017
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 2: was not a bad prospect at one point three years ago.

1018
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 2: I think I was I was in on him as

1019
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 2: a late round tight end.

1020
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,839
Speaker 3: I think the first short I ever made for you,

1021
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 3: was it? Gregson?

1022
00:47:54,280 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 2: Was it? Yeah? That's a big l on my behalf.

1023
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 2: But regardless, we're back, baby, We're back on Greg Dolstich.

1024
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 2: When it's a seventeenth to twentieth round pick, you know,

1025
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 2: why not whenever there's an open room, like we should

1026
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 2: be looking for open pass catching rooms for our tight end.

1027
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 2: So that's one, and I can't quit Terrence Ferguson. I

1028
00:48:13,320 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 2: think Max Claire is a really good tight end prospect.

1029
00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:20,440
Speaker 2: But the way that Sean McVay has historically slow played

1030
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:23,279
Speaker 2: as rookies, what they did with Terrence Ferguson even last year,

1031
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 2: and Ferguson was good last year when he when he

1032
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:29,560
Speaker 2: got some opportunity, I think Ferguson makes more sense over

1033
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 2: Colby Parkinson when when Parkinson often has the higher it

1034
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 2: will go earlier and has the higher ADP. So I'm

1035
00:48:36,719 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 2: going after Ferguson because I think the the athleticism profile,

1036
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 2: the athletic profiles there, the athleticisms there, the production was

1037
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,399
Speaker 2: fine enough last year for rookie tight end, and they

1038
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 2: you know, they're they're a heavy team. They will There's

1039
00:48:48,200 --> 00:48:50,640
Speaker 2: no wide receiver three on that team that we feel

1040
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:53,280
Speaker 2: concerned about or worried about taking some of these looks.

1041
00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,560
Speaker 2: And I think Ferguson's probably the most natural, like young,

1042
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 2: up and coming athletic tight end pass catcher that they

1043
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:01,439
Speaker 2: have on that team right now. So I'm going after

1044
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 2: Ferguson and just attaching him to one of the best offenses,

1045
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:07,239
Speaker 2: I mean, probably the best team now in football after

1046
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 2: that Miles Garrett trade.

1047
00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, insane stuff.

1048
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,640
Speaker 1: It's it's I love that all four Rams tight ends

1049
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 1: are being drafted because yeah, I mean, nobody wants to

1050
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: put any faith in either Winningham or or Mumpfield having

1051
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: any impact.

1052
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 3: If there's a receiver injury, They're like, they're just going

1053
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 3: to bring in another type.

1054
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 2: They're just gonna use tight I mean, look McVeigh, I've

1055
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 2: said this a lot with the twelve personnel discussion, but

1056
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 2: like the genius of what the Rams were able to

1057
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 2: do last year not is this is not a just

1058
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 2: put tight ends on the field and everything will be fine.

1059
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,319
Speaker 2: This is a you're putting versatile tight ends on the

1060
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,400
Speaker 2: field so that they're able to do things pre snap

1061
00:49:44,520 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 2: and they're able to like they'll run Terrence Ferguson as

1062
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 2: the X at times, you know, like they'll they'll do

1063
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 2: crazy stuff and that's why he's valuable. You know, Max

1064
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 2: Claire is a really good all around tight end who's

1065
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,879
Speaker 2: going to allow them to have that versatility. And that's

1066
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 2: what really makes the transition to heavier personnel so effective

1067
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 2: against defenses these days. It's not simply like we're gonna

1068
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:08,279
Speaker 2: just this is just smash mouth football and we're gonna

1069
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 2: beat you with this. You know this is a no.

1070
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:12,520
Speaker 2: The teams that are doing it effectively are doing it

1071
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Speaker 2: effectively with very specific personnel. And I am a believer

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Speaker 2: that Terrence Ferguson is a player who fits that personnel.

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Speaker 2: If things hit right, it might not hit right, like

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Speaker 2: Jesus are won't Like there's better odds that he doesn't

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Speaker 2: hit than does right. But I do think that intuitively

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Speaker 2: he is a player that fits this mold of this

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Speaker 2: new wave in the NFL very very well.

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Speaker 3: He passed the eye test last year.

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Speaker 1: Every time he was targeted, it was like, man, why

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Speaker 1: can't they get Terrence?

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Speaker 2: Excitmar Yeah, But anyway, all right, that's it for the guy.

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Speaker 2: That's it for the show. Rich for episode one of

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Speaker 2: season three of becoming a Best Ball bro Let everyone

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Speaker 2: know where they can find you what you're doing. So

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Speaker 2: you got other shows and other things you're working on

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Speaker 2: as well, and shout that.

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Speaker 1: Out yep, Ritch t Ryan across all platforms.

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Speaker 3: I'll see you, guys.

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Speaker 1: I'm lurking in the Late Round Discord and then at

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Speaker 1: Gridiron Gamble, ramping up for another fun sports betting season

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Speaker 1: in the NFL.

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir, and as always, you can follow me on

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Speaker 2: Twitter on Blue Sky at Late Round QB. Most importantly,

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Speaker 2: make sure you're checking out thenew lateround dot com because

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Speaker 2: Access member. It's been great. I mean, it's a process

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Speaker 2: to kind of migrate because we were on Patreon before.

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Speaker 2: We're migrating people over. David Kitchen is working his butt

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Speaker 2: off to get people over to the new Lateround dot com.

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Speaker 2: But for real, guys, we're innovating and we're trying to

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Speaker 2: to feedback to fix things up to make it the

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Speaker 2: so check that out Lateround dot com. Otherwise, everyone, thanks

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Speaker 2: for tuning