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Speaker 1: twenty twenty one NFL drafted. We are fully engold in
Speaker 1: the draft process even though there's still three weeks left
Speaker 1: of the NFL season. Welcome into the Dallas Cowboys dot
Speaker 1: Com Draft Show. It's episode three of the twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one draft and I'm glad to be back alongside Brian
Speaker 1: brought us repertus Joe Burrow Jersey because those LSU Tigers
Speaker 1: got themselves a win this week over the Florida Gators.
Speaker 1: And you can see David Hellman he's pretty happy. That's
Speaker 1: how he celebrated his birthday was by the win of
Speaker 1: the LSU Tigers. And then we've got Bucky Brooks as well,
Speaker 1: Chris Beam holding down the fourth back at the Star
Speaker 1: in Frisco. And who wants to start Brian Dave, who
Speaker 1: wants to start about these LSU Tigers. I want to
Speaker 1: kind of get it out of the way early. I
Speaker 1: want to kind of talk about it. I love Brian's jacket,
Speaker 1: so I think I'm gonna let Bronas go first here.
Speaker 1: But that is a fantastic hoodie with the Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: reppin and all. I mean, how happy are you that
Speaker 1: you finally got that win and it was against the
Speaker 1: top ten opponent as well. Yeah it was. We were
Speaker 1: a shoe in all the time to win the things.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was a great thing for the for
Speaker 1: the Tigers to get that victory. And by the way,
Speaker 1: let's take congratulation to Bucky Brooks North Carolina tar Heels
Speaker 1: putting it on ye. Yeah, I mean this is say,
Speaker 1: this is a winning this is a winning combination right here.
Speaker 1: But good for anytime your program gets a big victory,
Speaker 1: it makes your week a whole lot better. And we
Speaker 1: had a lot of good weeks last year this week
Speaker 1: this year, we haven't had this many, but it was
Speaker 1: nice to get one against that crew. I can actually
Speaker 1: tie this back to the Cowboys because if you're if
Speaker 1: you're a Cowboys fan listening, you understand I'm not asking
Speaker 1: you to win every game. I'm just asking you to
Speaker 1: look like a competent football team, and that has not
Speaker 1: been the case for the Cowboys or the LSU Tigers
Speaker 1: this year. But hey, they they both did it this weekend.
Speaker 1: So nice of them to both put on a good
Speaker 1: show at the same time for a change, because that
Speaker 1: hasn't happened a lot in twenty twenty. Yeah, Bucky, I
Speaker 1: mean I feel like all of our teams won. So
Speaker 1: the Cowboys won, we got LSU a dub, We've got
Speaker 1: UNC getting the dub, we got North Texas winning, and hey,
Speaker 1: the one guy that we have a chance to get
Speaker 1: get drafted had four touchdowns. But Bucky, how did your
Speaker 1: weekend go overall? And what are you looking for? It
Speaker 1: was a great weekend. You guys alluded to Carolina and
Speaker 1: knocking off Miami and just seeing them run the ball
Speaker 1: at will. I mean, you just don't see run for
Speaker 1: fifty yard for two running backs. But no, it was
Speaker 1: a great weekend. And then the Cowboys finally coming up
Speaker 1: and playing well. I just don't want them to win
Speaker 1: too many because then you know, you kind of out
Speaker 1: of the kind of out of the race when it
Speaker 1: comes to the top pick. So wait, which looks like Bucky.
Speaker 1: That's a that's a phenomenal point because I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: we want the Cowboys to be good. They're they're mathematically
Speaker 1: still alive in the playoffs, but if they're gonna win
Speaker 1: a game, it worked out pretty great for us because
Speaker 1: the lah Chargers also won, so they haven't given up
Speaker 1: a ton of ground in the draft packing order. And
Speaker 1: then you know the gamble, You kind of take a
Speaker 1: gamble when you start a draft show before the season's
Speaker 1: over that you know it's gonna it's gonna look a
Speaker 1: little weird if they make the playoffs. But you know,
Speaker 1: Washington took care of business on Sunday afternoon, and I
Speaker 1: guess we can't speak too too soon, but it doesn't
Speaker 1: look like the Cowboys are playoff plat bound right now.
Speaker 1: So now we can just sit back and see which
Speaker 1: pick they get. Well, this is a great set way
Speaker 1: into kind of what I wanted to hit early here
Speaker 1: in this show is the fact of how costly are
Speaker 1: these wins, because at least earlier in the week, and
Speaker 1: we were talking last week of if they beat the Bengals,
Speaker 1: then they're not the third overall pick. That's where they
Speaker 1: would have been if they would have had the loss,
Speaker 1: But we were expecting them to jump to eight, nine,
Speaker 1: ten overall, kind of like how Philadelphia did with their
Speaker 1: win over New Orleans. Now they're picking ninth in the
Speaker 1: pecking order, at least at this very moment. The Giants
Speaker 1: with the loss has them at ten, but the Cowboys
Speaker 1: with their win only moved them down to five in
Speaker 1: the draft orders. So I ask you, guys the question
Speaker 1: of whenever it comes to these wins later in the season,
Speaker 1: and especially for those of you Bucky and Brian who
Speaker 1: have been on a scouting staff, have been a coaching
Speaker 1: staff previously, but how costly are these wins or is
Speaker 1: it still something that you want to build going in
Speaker 1: to twenty twenty one. Yeah, I think they're You know,
Speaker 1: it's when you start to think about going for that
Speaker 1: you you see, you want to win the games. You
Speaker 1: absolutely want to win these games. And so you know,
Speaker 1: as a front office, you know, because that's your job
Speaker 1: that now fans on the outside when the season doesn't
Speaker 1: look right, you know, when you know you're not going
Speaker 1: to really go anywhere, when you really don't have a shot,
Speaker 1: and you start to think about what's the best way
Speaker 1: to help our football team, and the draft is the
Speaker 1: best way to do that. You know. The draft is
Speaker 1: the way that you know, if you get to pick
Speaker 1: high in every single round, you give yourself a shot
Speaker 1: to go and get players to make a difference for
Speaker 1: your football team. And so, yeah, front office guys they
Speaker 1: want to win that, you know, that's their job. Fans
Speaker 1: that understand the big picture of things, Yeah, these these wins,
Speaker 1: they come at a cost because there's gonna be differences
Speaker 1: when we really start getting into this and the different
Speaker 1: tiers of players and the ones you're going to have
Speaker 1: available to you. Uh, that's you know. I tell my
Speaker 1: folks all the time that listen to me, Hey, when
Speaker 1: you win these games, don't complain to me when I
Speaker 1: tell you you're going to pick the fourth best corner
Speaker 1: and not the first best corner. So that's where this
Speaker 1: thing will fall for a lot of these as we
Speaker 1: go forward here. Yeah, Brian, you make a great point,
Speaker 1: because front officers are tasked with winning. The coaches are
Speaker 1: coaching their tails off because they not only want to win,
Speaker 1: but they want to get some of this heat off
Speaker 1: of them for a disappointing season. However, I still think
Speaker 1: as a scout, you kind of look towards the draft
Speaker 1: and you're trying to figure out where there's strengths and weaknesses,
Speaker 1: and if we fall too far, we could put ourselves
Speaker 1: in a shallow pool when it comes to the positions
Speaker 1: of greatest need. And so when I look at the
Speaker 1: Cowboys sitting at five, you're still in good shape. But
Speaker 1: now if you win some more games, it changes the
Speaker 1: dynamic with some of your biggest needs and some of
Speaker 1: the players that could be available at those spots. You know,
Speaker 1: it's I talked about this yesterday on Cowboys break is.
Speaker 1: I don't mind at all that they won that game.
Speaker 1: First of all, as we saw, like even against the
Speaker 1: bad Cowboys team, the Bengals are another level of bad Bucky.
Speaker 1: You alluded to that when you previewed him last week,
Speaker 1: Like you like the last thing you told us was like,
Speaker 1: if the Cowboys can't beat this team, I don't even know.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what to say. So on like,
Speaker 1: first of all, it maybe it was never realistic to
Speaker 1: think the Cowboys could lose that game. I also think,
Speaker 1: you know, you want to establish a winning mindset, Like
Speaker 1: I don't think it's good for anybody, coaches players, anybody
Speaker 1: to just like lose out the rest of the season
Speaker 1: and finish with, you know, three wins. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't think that's a good idea. So I don't mind
Speaker 1: that they won that game. Like I said, like it
Speaker 1: hasn't moved them in the draft order too much because
Speaker 1: of what else is happening around them. But I will say,
Speaker 1: if if you're getting if you're getting up to five
Speaker 1: or six wins, now I'm getting nervous about the the
Speaker 1: talent that's going to be available to you because I
Speaker 1: actually I looked at this before we went on the show,
Speaker 1: like the Chargers are gonna lose some more games, Like
Speaker 1: they've still got a game against the Chiefs, they got
Speaker 1: to play a pretty decent Raiders team. Carolina's playing Green Bay.
Speaker 1: Think they've got Washington as well. Atlanta's playing the Chiefs
Speaker 1: as well as the Buccaneers, who are in a wild
Speaker 1: card chase right now. Like a lot of these teams
Speaker 1: that are around the Cowboys are definitely going to lose
Speaker 1: some more games. So it's cool that they beat the Bengals,
Speaker 1: but every win they get for the rest of these
Speaker 1: three weeks stands to really affect them in the draft order,
Speaker 1: and I would probably advise against doing too much more.
Speaker 1: Winning well with this win against Cincinnati, ultimately they lost out.
Speaker 1: It was the Pinna Seul Bowl, And right now it
Speaker 1: seems like you have lost out on Pina Soul offensive
Speaker 1: tackle out of Oregon, and we're going to get into
Speaker 1: just how good he is and where he compares with
Speaker 1: the rest of the offensive tackle should the Cowboys potentially
Speaker 1: want to go in that direction later in the draft
Speaker 1: or at least whenever they end up picking. But I
Speaker 1: kinda want to ask you guys about the difference between
Speaker 1: a top five prospect and a player of another prospect
Speaker 1: with a first round grade, because that's kind of what
Speaker 1: we're talking about right now, is if you're going to
Speaker 1: be in the top five, you're gonna have a top
Speaker 1: five guy. But if you're going to be in five
Speaker 1: through twelve or even five through twenty, especially with this
Speaker 1: draft class, you're going to be limited with the talented
Speaker 1: prospects that you have. But Brian, whenever it comes to
Speaker 1: separating these guys into those tiers, what goes into that
Speaker 1: and what's the biggest difference between those players? Well, the
Speaker 1: biggest difference I think, and when you watch these players,
Speaker 1: it's clear when you have those players that have that
Speaker 1: rare top five talent. When you sit down in that
Speaker 1: war room and watch tape with everybody and then listen
Speaker 1: to the area's scout describe the player. Listen to the
Speaker 1: regional scout, describe the player. Listen to the cross checker
Speaker 1: describe the player. It's like you're watching that tape and
Speaker 1: you're like going, Okay, I see every single thing that
Speaker 1: those scouts are talking about right now. My own eyes
Speaker 1: can tell me that. I mean, there is a clear
Speaker 1: difference when you get to the top of that draft.
Speaker 1: And you know that's why when you stack your board
Speaker 1: from that one to one fifty and you put them
Speaker 1: in order of how you would take them, it's clear
Speaker 1: those guys have that, you know. I mean I used
Speaker 1: to always the night before the draft, I would say this, Uh,
Speaker 1: I'd look at the board. I'm saying, please, football guys,
Speaker 1: let the tags glow of the ones that are gonna
Speaker 1: be all pros, you know, just let him glow for
Speaker 1: me so I can. I could see that. But with
Speaker 1: these top, these top guys, you could tell, you know
Speaker 1: exactly maybe the traits, the characteristics, the way they play
Speaker 1: on tape, the way they handle their interviews and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. I mean that the pieces all come together.
Speaker 1: Now when you get down towards the middle of the board,
Speaker 1: maybe the traits aren't as pronounced, and it's kind of
Speaker 1: like you're sitting there going, okay, we're having to dig
Speaker 1: a little further, and maybe he's comparing to this guy.
Speaker 1: He's this guy's got a couple more traits than this guy.
Speaker 1: And oh wait, the interview puts him over here, and
Speaker 1: so yeah, it's it's it's a little bit more of
Speaker 1: they have of a putting the puzzle together at the
Speaker 1: middle to the bottom as it is to top those
Speaker 1: those tags at the top. You know that those guys
Speaker 1: up there could play football. Now you bust on him sometimes,
Speaker 1: but also then you have times where those guys are
Speaker 1: your Hall of Fame type players as well. So it's funny,
Speaker 1: Run I learned this from you going all the way
Speaker 1: back to when I was playing in Green Bay and
Speaker 1: we were at a workout in Carolina, and I don't
Speaker 1: know if you remember, it was Brian Simmons linebacker that
Speaker 1: went to Cincinnati in the first round, and was Kay
Speaker 1: Mays who was a linebacker from Carolina that went to
Speaker 1: the fourth round to the Minnesota Vikings, and we're sitting
Speaker 1: there watching the workout and and watching the workout. One
Speaker 1: guy was super explosive, super dynamic. You could just tell
Speaker 1: and you whisper to my heir, that's the dish between
Speaker 1: a first rounder and a fourth rounder. And so to
Speaker 1: bring it in the first round. When you think about
Speaker 1: a top five player, a top five player has typically
Speaker 1: all of the blue chip traits, size, athleticism, production, he's dominant.
Speaker 1: He's a guy that you can easily see as a
Speaker 1: top two or three player in this position really quickly.
Speaker 1: A first round guy may have eighty to ninety percent
Speaker 1: of the traits, but when you look at him, you're like, Okay,
Speaker 1: he can be a starter. He can be a starter
Speaker 1: right away. He's gonna make that contribution. I think the
Speaker 1: best example I can give right now recently is the
Speaker 1: game that Chase Young had on Sunday. That is what
Speaker 1: a top five player is supposed to do right away,
Speaker 1: Like when you put them on the field. It is
Speaker 1: easily readily inapparent like okay, yeah, we gotta do it.
Speaker 1: Shouldn't take you a lot of time to go through
Speaker 1: the tape and do all this other stuff to figure
Speaker 1: out if you can play. Because if you're spending that
Speaker 1: long debating he's not a top five guy, it stands
Speaker 1: out it's easy. I mean, it's it's the easiest guy
Speaker 1: that you can get. Like, okay, yeah he's a guy.
Speaker 1: Now how high do I want to put my grade on?
Speaker 1: But you know, a top five player when you see
Speaker 1: when it stands out, I completely I was just gonna
Speaker 1: say when you you said earlier that you were okay
Speaker 1: losing or winning this game whenever it comes to the
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals game. But it's the reason why you you
Speaker 1: are a little bit more at peace about the win
Speaker 1: is because maybe those top five guys and those guys
Speaker 1: that are dudes, and the guys that stand out like
Speaker 1: Bucky and Brian just said, just aren't necessarily the same
Speaker 1: caliber of guys that we've seen in other drafts. Exactly
Speaker 1: what I was about to say is, you know, I
Speaker 1: don't want to put any words in anybody's mouth, but
Speaker 1: I think we would all agree that there's not a
Speaker 1: Chase Young in this draft class, right. I mean, other
Speaker 1: than maybe maybe you feel great about one of the quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: but in terms of all the other positions. I don't
Speaker 1: think you have that slam dunk guy that's just got
Speaker 1: to go in the top two. And I'm actually, you know,
Speaker 1: I was. I was looking at other draft classes, and
Speaker 1: I agree with everything they said, like there's typically a
Speaker 1: clear difference between like your top five can't miss guy
Speaker 1: and then everybody else. But then you know, you gotta
Speaker 1: keep in mind too that all of these teams are
Speaker 1: going to evaluate guys different and beauty is really in
Speaker 1: the eye of the beholder. You got to give coaching
Speaker 1: staffs a chance to get in there and mess everything up,
Speaker 1: like we always joke that they do. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: right right off the top of my head, you know,
Speaker 1: Chase Young was the obvious number two guy. Jeff Okuda
Speaker 1: goes number three. Who goes number four in last year's draft,
Speaker 1: Andrew Thomas, which surprised a lot of people, and a
Speaker 1: lot of people would have told you he's probably the
Speaker 1: least promising of the big offensive tackles, and maybe the
Speaker 1: best of them is either McKay Beckton, who went to eleventh,
Speaker 1: or Jedrick Wills, who's been playing so great for Cleveland
Speaker 1: helping their offensive line. He goes number ten, and the
Speaker 1: reason I bring these things up or even you know,
Speaker 1: last year, nobody thought or two years ago, I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: nobody thought Cleveland Ferrell would be the third overall pick
Speaker 1: to the Oakland Raiders except for Mike Mayock. And then
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones goes sixth overall, which floored a ton of people,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, a guy like Josh Allen
Speaker 1: is sitting for you there at seventh overall. And I
Speaker 1: bring all of this stuff up to say, yes, you
Speaker 1: won as high of a pick as possible. Yes, the
Speaker 1: blue chip players are typically at the top of the draft,
Speaker 1: but stuff happens every year that gives you a shot
Speaker 1: at these type of guys later on in the process.
Speaker 1: And that's why I'm not gonna lose sleep if the
Speaker 1: Cowboys pick seventh instead of fourth, because especially in a
Speaker 1: year like this where I don't think there are as
Speaker 1: many slam dunk prospects at the top of the draft,
Speaker 1: I just I think it'll work itself out to where
Speaker 1: you have a pretty good player sitting there for you
Speaker 1: even if you fall a little bit. Now, let's talk
Speaker 1: about one of those those blue chip guys really quickly
Speaker 1: before we take our first break, but the Cowboys losing
Speaker 1: out on pina Soul with the win potentially because like
Speaker 1: Dave just said, things could happen. He could fall to you,
Speaker 1: but how much different is pina Soul at the offensive
Speaker 1: tackle spot, Bucky when it comes to the rest of
Speaker 1: these offensive tackles, Where does he compare and how much
Speaker 1: of a difference is it if the Cowboys wanted to
Speaker 1: go offensive line in this first round. No, he's a
Speaker 1: unique talent. He's a unique talent because he's a big,
Speaker 1: athletic edge player who has the ability to get to
Speaker 1: the next level two plays with great ballot, has the
Speaker 1: nasty that you want to see on the edge, and
Speaker 1: he's dominant and disruptive. You know. I think the biggest
Speaker 1: thing that stood out to me is I had a
Speaker 1: chance to talk to Marlon Davidson from Auburn last year
Speaker 1: here and Derek Brown, and I asked him who is
Speaker 1: the best offensive linement that you saw? And I'm thinking
Speaker 1: they're gonna say sec guy, maybe Andrew Thomas whatever. And
Speaker 1: to a man that said, o'penny swell is real. They
Speaker 1: say he has a level of dog and national's to
Speaker 1: him that we were surprised because look, West Coast Pac twelve.
Speaker 1: You don't really see that kind of player, and so
Speaker 1: he's a talented player. Mario crystal Ball squears by him,
Speaker 1: says he's one of the best guys that he's ever
Speaker 1: been around, and given who's been exposed to I think
Speaker 1: it carries weight. I think the one thing that you
Speaker 1: worry about because he hasn't played like just kind of
Speaker 1: where is he? But when I looked at him up
Speaker 1: close last year justin Herbert's Pro day, he is not
Speaker 1: a big man in terms of fat or whatever. Everything
Speaker 1: is together is locked and loaded. I mean, he's a
Speaker 1: body beautiful type. Considering your six six, three hundred and
Speaker 1: thirty pounds, you just don't see guys built like that
Speaker 1: that I can also move and play like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and guys, what you're doing is you're watching a nineteen
Speaker 1: year old play right now too. You know this is
Speaker 1: not a This is not a guy that's an older guy.
Speaker 1: I mean, and you know, yeah, you're having to watch
Speaker 1: that tape from last year. And if you do watch
Speaker 1: the Auburn tape, if you get an opportunity, that was
Speaker 1: that was a tough game. There were a couple of
Speaker 1: games where he had some he had some games. You
Speaker 1: can watch Auburn USC you can watch the Washington game.
Speaker 1: I mean there were some times where he had his
Speaker 1: hands full. But you have to remember he's nineteen years old,
Speaker 1: he's six six, he's three hundred and thirty pounds. The
Speaker 1: ease of movement is incredible with this guy. And I
Speaker 1: you know, I you know, anytime you you talk about
Speaker 1: you know, guys that can play at space, can get
Speaker 1: to the second level, can you know, make the backside cutoffs?
Speaker 1: Can you know it just can hammer guys at the
Speaker 1: point of attack, get to movement in the running game
Speaker 1: when you have to do that, create a lane when
Speaker 1: they're running the ball. These are all things that this
Speaker 1: kid can do. And you know, the ease movement, it's
Speaker 1: just it's almost effortlessen And again you're watching tape of
Speaker 1: a nineteen you will play and so you know, is
Speaker 1: there some things he could work on? Yeah? Absolutely. I
Speaker 1: there's times in that Auburn game where I didn't think
Speaker 1: he finished great. But that's again the level of competition.
Speaker 1: You want to watch these guys play against the best,
Speaker 1: and that will kind of they'll paint a picture of
Speaker 1: really with the type of player that he is. But
Speaker 1: there's some other tackles in this draft. I think that
Speaker 1: that Merrick consideration too. This is just not a one
Speaker 1: tackle draft. I think there's a couple of guys in
Speaker 1: here that could really help a football team. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think you've got guys like ray Shon Slater, Samuel cosmey
Speaker 1: derres All from Virginia tack There are multiple offensive tackles
Speaker 1: that could go in the first round, but they're just
Speaker 1: not what Penne Soule is And that's one of the
Speaker 1: reasons why he's one of those blue chip guys that
Speaker 1: Bucky and Brian were just talking about a couple of
Speaker 1: moments ago. But when we come back here on the
Speaker 1: Draft Show, we're gonna go to into Twitter on the
Speaker 1: twenty one of those questions, how far could the Cowboys
Speaker 1: trade down and still get a quality prospects somewhere? Jeff
Speaker 1: Kavanaugh is smiling listening to those words. We'll hear about
Speaker 1: it next when we come back here on the Dallas
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Speaker 1: back here with the Dallas Cowboys dot com Draft show
Speaker 1: here on this Tuesday. Glad you're with us. Brian brought us,
Speaker 1: Bucky Brooks, David Helman, I'm Kyle Yeomans and it's time
Speaker 1: now for a little bit of Twitter. On the twenty.
Speaker 1: I don't know if we have a play back in
Speaker 1: the background there it is, okay, I talked right over
Speaker 1: but that's okay, But yes, Twitter on the twenty it's
Speaker 1: a little different doing it virtually, but hey, Chris Bean
Speaker 1: holding it down the four back at the studio. Let's
Speaker 1: go to Tony Baker. And this is the one that
Speaker 1: I tease going into the break boys. How could the
Speaker 1: how far could the Cowboys trade down or drop I'd
Speaker 1: put it out in parentheses to still get a quality
Speaker 1: player in this draft. And this is kind of talking
Speaker 1: about trade doown potentials and what you would get for
Speaker 1: those trade doowns, but just specifically, whenever you're talking about
Speaker 1: draft position in this first round, Bucky, where could they
Speaker 1: fall for the Cowboys to still get a really solid
Speaker 1: player that can make an immediate impact. I mean, Bryan
Speaker 1: would know this. Ron Wolf would always tell you there's
Speaker 1: anywhere from twenty two to twenty four players that are
Speaker 1: really first round players. And so I think when you
Speaker 1: get too low in the first round, you put yourself
Speaker 1: out of the market to get what we call a
Speaker 1: blue chip player. And so I understand like the novelty
Speaker 1: of trading down, but if there's a good player sitting
Speaker 1: right there, I'm about getting good players. And so I
Speaker 1: think when you do this, you do this looking at
Speaker 1: the board and understanding where that cluster of players at
Speaker 1: positions that you may really really want, where that line is,
Speaker 1: and you put yourself in position to make sure that
Speaker 1: you don't miss out on a player that you deem
Speaker 1: to be a guy that can come in right away
Speaker 1: and make contributions. Yeah, Bookie's absolutely right. You know. The
Speaker 1: one thing that we learned in Grey and it's something
Speaker 1: I carried over to the places, and you know, and
Speaker 1: had discussions with other teams I was with, is you
Speaker 1: never want to trade away from a great player. You
Speaker 1: just don't. You just I mean, I don't care. And
Speaker 1: and scouts are guilty of gimme picks, gimme picks, gimme picks,
Speaker 1: you know that kind of thing. But you know, you
Speaker 1: need to stand in there and pick a player. If
Speaker 1: you've got a guy on that board that's that you
Speaker 1: feel like, man, this guy could come in, he could
Speaker 1: start for us, he could play for us for two
Speaker 1: contracts and be great standing there and make that pick,
Speaker 1: you know. And and I kind of feel like, though,
Speaker 1: then even if you got even if you were say
Speaker 1: it the in the four whole picket and you're and
Speaker 1: it's not the board doesn't really fall the right way
Speaker 1: for you. You know, if you take your highest rated guy,
Speaker 1: you're gonna probably be okay. And so I just don't
Speaker 1: see dropping from like four to twelve and then having
Speaker 1: to sweat those picks in between. There could be a
Speaker 1: level where you feel like, okay, let's take for sample,
Speaker 1: all these cornerbacks. You know, maybe you don't feel like
Speaker 1: they're all top four on your on a board overall,
Speaker 1: but maybe when the stack hits they're somewhere around seven,
Speaker 1: eight nine, right around there. Now, if you can make
Speaker 1: a deal where you could go down a couple of
Speaker 1: spots and grab those guys, and your intelligence tells you
Speaker 1: that the teams between you are not going to take
Speaker 1: a quarter or somebody's not going to come up there
Speaker 1: and jump, you know. That's why I feel like, though
Speaker 1: you can, you can make those kinds of deals. But
Speaker 1: to sit there at bail from four to eighteen just
Speaker 1: to get some picks, I don't think that necessarily is
Speaker 1: the right way to run your draft sounds kind of
Speaker 1: sounds kind of cowardly, Brian, to be honest with you,
Speaker 1: like let's let's have some. Let's have some. I'm kidding.
Speaker 1: I can't even say that with a straight face. I'm sorry. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're talking about trade. You want to trade back to keep.
Speaker 1: I just want to point that, like I feel like
Speaker 1: it's my duty. I just feel like people get tunnel
Speaker 1: vision when it comes to the draft, like there's only
Speaker 1: one way to do it. You gotta pick here. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not talking to you. I'm talking to
Speaker 1: people that are listening. But I think it always depends
Speaker 1: on what are you getting in return, what do you
Speaker 1: think is there? How far are they asking you to go,
Speaker 1: like in a vacuum. Let's just say the Cowboys are
Speaker 1: going to pick in the top ten, and I think
Speaker 1: they probably will. If I'm if I have a top
Speaker 1: ten pick, I would feel real leery about trading past
Speaker 1: like fourteen or fifteen, unless it is for excessts, for
Speaker 1: just a total haul of picks. Having said that, though,
Speaker 1: I think this is a really interesting point again going
Speaker 1: back into recent history. Twenty seventeen draft, the Buffalo Bills
Speaker 1: hold the tenth overall pick. Now they should have picked
Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes. Everybody should have picked Pat Mahomes. I totally
Speaker 1: understand that, but they don't because Kansas City wants him.
Speaker 1: So they bail all the way to twenty seven. They
Speaker 1: get a third round pick and next year's won, they
Speaker 1: find an All Pro corner in Tredavious White, and then
Speaker 1: they use the first to get Josh Allen the very
Speaker 1: next year. And Josh Allen is not Pat Mahomes, but
Speaker 1: he seems like he's on a really nice trajectory to
Speaker 1: be a very good quarterback. So when I hear that,
Speaker 1: I say, man, you can trade back really far, get
Speaker 1: some good resources and still find a good player if
Speaker 1: you know what you're doing. Now. Would I want a
Speaker 1: trade all the way back to twenty seven, Absolutely not.
Speaker 1: But I do think it's interesting that a team did
Speaker 1: that and still managed to have it work out really well. Well,
Speaker 1: it worked out for the Cowboys if you look now.
Speaker 1: It didn't work out for the compensation and they got back.
Speaker 1: If you remember the Travis Frederick trade, they basically go
Speaker 1: from like eighteen or thirty or thirty one, and you know,
Speaker 1: and they should have got a two in compensation. They
Speaker 1: took the three. So you know, because they bailed because
Speaker 1: they just panicked and got out of there. You take
Speaker 1: less compensation if you're going to get a haul that
Speaker 1: makes sense for you. You know, it's for example, if
Speaker 1: you trading with a team for like next year's one,
Speaker 1: and that's a team that might be like a team
Speaker 1: that gets back in the playoffs the next year, and
Speaker 1: then that that pick turns into twenty two or twenty three. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a first round pick, but you would like to
Speaker 1: just try and get as many high picks you know
Speaker 1: going forth. This this to me, this is about trying
Speaker 1: to fix things now and if I can, if I
Speaker 1: can get a bad team behind me that wants to
Speaker 1: move up, and I know that they're pick they're about
Speaker 1: to give me, or two picks they're about to give
Speaker 1: me in this current draft are high picks, and they're
Speaker 1: kind of maybe right around where my picks are gonna be.
Speaker 1: I'll double dip all day. I'll absolutely double dip all day.
Speaker 1: I just don't want to see I don't feel like
Speaker 1: that we need to see this massive drop, you know,
Speaker 1: from from say five down to eight and then oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I don't know. Yeah, it worth great for Buffalo,
Speaker 1: but does that in this a team that needs to
Speaker 1: take quality players now? Is that really the best player.
Speaker 1: I think the danger in all of it is because
Speaker 1: it's really cute on the outside to kind of move
Speaker 1: and if you lead the board as they say, and
Speaker 1: he looks like fantasy a fantasy football draft. I did this.
Speaker 1: I did that. I think at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: it should always be players over picks. If you get
Speaker 1: enough good players, the picks don't matter. And even if
Speaker 1: that means sometimes in trade, because we've seen in recent
Speaker 1: years teams have given up picks to get players Jamal Adams,
Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs and others. It is about can you identify
Speaker 1: the player and how he would fit into your system
Speaker 1: versus what's behind door number two? And so I'm more
Speaker 1: likely to just a I found a player that I like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the player, and I'm gonna live with
Speaker 1: the stuff, as opposed to getting a couple of extra
Speaker 1: picks that I don't necessarily know if I'm a hit
Speaker 1: on or not lucky. Do you still think that's the case.
Speaker 1: Whenever you're in a Cowboys standpoint and this defense, it's
Speaker 1: more than one player, more than one guy, And that's
Speaker 1: kind of where I think Cowboys fans are looking at
Speaker 1: it is they're not just one player away on defense.
Speaker 1: They're only they're more than just that one guy from
Speaker 1: making a big difference. They want multiple darts at the
Speaker 1: dark board to try and find a player to work
Speaker 1: out for them, and maybe multiple players to work out
Speaker 1: for them. But do you stick with that same kind
Speaker 1: of mindset even with the situation the color? I mean,
Speaker 1: I think everything is always negotiable, depending upon what it is.
Speaker 1: But I would rather have one A player than a
Speaker 1: bunch of b's and c's because the A player players
Speaker 1: can make a difference, and his ability to dominate and
Speaker 1: disrupt will allow everybody else to look like a good player.
Speaker 1: And so if that's a pass rusher, well, a great
Speaker 1: pass rusher then impacts the way that you cover because
Speaker 1: you don't have to cover as long. A great cover
Speaker 1: corner impacts the pass rush. So a lot of it
Speaker 1: depends on the player. But if I can get an
Speaker 1: A level player, I'm more likely to get that player
Speaker 1: as opposed to kind of wait on a bunch of
Speaker 1: guys where I have a bunch of numbers, but I
Speaker 1: may not have the same kind of production and disruption. Well,
Speaker 1: here we were talking about the cowboys picking high, and
Speaker 1: we're talking about offensive players at the top of the board.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, We're talking about offensive tackles
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, and so that just goes to
Speaker 1: show you though that you know, might necessarily the way
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the top of this draft board, there
Speaker 1: seems to be more of better offensive players than there
Speaker 1: are defensive playoffs. So you know, to your point, if
Speaker 1: you feel like, well, we're not going to take these
Speaker 1: you should take these offensive players. They did it with
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb and it's worked out for them. So but
Speaker 1: I agree with Bucky. I just feel like, though you're
Speaker 1: better off taking the guy that you feel like that
Speaker 1: has those traits that he mentioned earlier that can help you.
Speaker 1: And then we'll work the draft from here on. If
Speaker 1: we have an opportunity to move in the second round
Speaker 1: or third round and pick up some of those extra guys,
Speaker 1: that's not a problem for me to deal with right
Speaker 1: then and there, Let's go on to our next question.
Speaker 1: This one comes from Brandon and Hooper, and this kind
Speaker 1: of has something to do with a little bit of
Speaker 1: what we're talking about. But the Cowboys double bit last
Speaker 1: year at cornerback, what two positions, So we're gonna try
Speaker 1: and get a couple of opportunities to talk about it here.
Speaker 1: But what two positions could the Cowboys double dip on
Speaker 1: the draft this year? David Hell cornerback, just do it again,
Speaker 1: because you know, we don't know what the future holds
Speaker 1: for Cheeto, Woozier, Jordan Lewis. I mean, Anthony Brown is
Speaker 1: still here, but you know that's you probably don't feel
Speaker 1: one hundred percent comfortable with that. You obviously have Treyvon Diggs,
Speaker 1: but they're they're gonna turn over the cornerback depth chart
Speaker 1: again this year. And then really any position on the
Speaker 1: d line, but I'll say edge rusher um just because
Speaker 1: you know, again we don't know what the future holds
Speaker 1: for Aldon Smith. You have Randy Gregory and DeMarcus Lawrence,
Speaker 1: but you'd probably like a little more juice there. Doren's
Speaker 1: Armstrong is not in a contract year, but he's nearing
Speaker 1: the end. He's closer to the end of his rookie
Speaker 1: contract in the beginning. And again, I mean, this is
Speaker 1: not some crazy fierce pass rush. Maybe maybe you don't
Speaker 1: double up and draft two defensive ends, but a defensive
Speaker 1: end and the defensive tackle. But they need pass rushers.
Speaker 1: And they need cornerbacks. And I would say safety, but
Speaker 1: they'll just disappoint me again, so I won't. Oh, he's
Speaker 1: not wrong about the safety. I mean, I was thinking
Speaker 1: to myself, Kyle, when you asked the question, I double
Speaker 1: dip a safety. But I know they won't draft the
Speaker 1: safety now maybe maybe maybe this is maybe now. And
Speaker 1: I was talking to some guys. I was talking some
Speaker 1: scouts about this, and I asked that question. I'm like,
Speaker 1: why why no safeties? And they're like, you know, looking
Speaker 1: back on it, we had all those safeties during the
Speaker 1: Tristan Hill draft. And he goes, there was just such
Speaker 1: an influence from Rod Marinelli about Tristan Hill that we got,
Speaker 1: you know, went that direction. You know, all those safeties
Speaker 1: were sitting on the board. They could have taken, you know,
Speaker 1: they could have taken any one of those guys, and
Speaker 1: they and they didn't. They passed. I have a feeling
Speaker 1: now that they, you know, this is very eye opening
Speaker 1: to them. What happened to them, not only a corner,
Speaker 1: but what's happened at safety, what's happened at defensive tackle,
Speaker 1: what's happened at linebacker. I mean, you could draft any position.
Speaker 1: I've said this before. I think they double dip the corner.
Speaker 1: But man, there's got to be a safety in that mix.
Speaker 1: And I'm not talking about in the sixth round. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about it. There's a second round safety up there
Speaker 1: that they sure need to consider that a direction to go.
Speaker 1: You know, Brian's funny because I think it's important that
Speaker 1: the listeners and viewers kind of understand when we're talking
Speaker 1: late round, fourth and seventh rounders. Brian, you know, in
Speaker 1: the draft room, we're talking about developmental guys, and so
Speaker 1: if you really want to shore up a position, then
Speaker 1: you double up. You double up high. You don't double
Speaker 1: up with a second rounder, and in a fifth rounder
Speaker 1: you go big. So if I got two twos and
Speaker 1: I'm throw both of them at corner and then let
Speaker 1: them duke it out a two dolls one bone, I'm
Speaker 1: willing to do that. But I think you have to
Speaker 1: make sure that the positions that you really are concerned
Speaker 1: about within the first three rounds, you have to throw
Speaker 1: a couple of darts at those positions. And if something
Speaker 1: in the lower state the later stages, that's great, But
Speaker 1: in the first three rounds you have to find guys
Speaker 1: that can play and they can play right away. I
Speaker 1: like that, and one final question here on Twitter on
Speaker 1: the twenty and then we'll move on to our final segment.
Speaker 1: But this was just really quick and this is actually
Speaker 1: revisiting a question from last year. This is kind of
Speaker 1: what the theme has been on Twitter on the twenty today.
Speaker 1: But who would have a better combine today? A former
Speaker 1: athlete Brian brought us or a younger but non athletic.
Speaker 1: I guess is what his words? Not mine? That was
Speaker 1: Philip non athletic David Hellman. So who would have a
Speaker 1: better combine today? I'll let Bucky start us off here,
Speaker 1: so you know, like so the thing that you're trying
Speaker 1: to identify in the background is you want to see
Speaker 1: who is the guy that is kind of the scrapper.
Speaker 1: And I just I get a sense just from being
Speaker 1: around Dave Helman that he is scrapping. And so when
Speaker 1: we're doing the three cone and the shuttles and all
Speaker 1: that stuff, I think it's all about the preparation. Like
Speaker 1: he's the guy that kind of strikes me up to
Speaker 1: day starts at one o'clock, twelve o'clock. He's on the
Speaker 1: turf like kind of going through his self, getting mine, right,
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go with Hillman. Nope, Nope, no disrespect
Speaker 1: to Brian brothers, but I just kind of see I
Speaker 1: see Hillman just kind of I'm gonna make this happen.
Speaker 1: It's my last chance. I gotta get this done, and
Speaker 1: so I kind of see him doing it. I see
Speaker 1: him pulling it off. I really, well, I really appreciate that, Bucky,
Speaker 1: but I don't I don't think I can. I don't
Speaker 1: think I can go along with that. I mean, Brian
Speaker 1: wins an SEC athlete and he's still he still works
Speaker 1: out to this day. My man gets on the treadmill
Speaker 1: and does three miles like it's nothing. I think he'd
Speaker 1: probably say that I'd roll up to the pro day
Speaker 1: with like a fifth of jack in my hand. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, you forgot, you forgot the cigarette hanging
Speaker 1: out of the quarter of your mouth like hey, But
Speaker 1: but Brian would tell you. We've had some players that
Speaker 1: I played with that rolled up like that, and they
Speaker 1: were pro bowlers. So it doesn't come. It doesn't coming
Speaker 1: great back. Hey, I'll say this, I think Buck Buckie
Speaker 1: is a great scout and he's absolutely right watching me
Speaker 1: in a Pro day would be painful. I'm fifty seven
Speaker 1: years old now. If it was a Pro Bowl of
Speaker 1: running a marathon, I'm all in. But it's not a
Speaker 1: day running a marathon. I'm not in. But the thing
Speaker 1: that the thing I have no bend. I have no flexibility.
Speaker 1: The shuttles would be bad. I would miss the line
Speaker 1: every time. I would try and cheat the line on
Speaker 1: the forty, I would crowd the line. Gorshack, the guy
Speaker 1: that blows the whistle, would always be bringing me back
Speaker 1: because I'd be jumping the jump in the line. And
Speaker 1: then finally he'd let me run. Coughlin would tie me
Speaker 1: at the ten. It would be like about four seconds. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's you know, and it would just be
Speaker 1: a disaster. The law, the broad jump would be bad.
Speaker 1: The vertical would be bad. I think it's probably it's
Speaker 1: probably in everybody's best interest if we just talk about
Speaker 1: it and don't put it. Put it okay, Yeah, oh
Speaker 1: I I wholeheartedly. I'm sure you do. Fail. The interviews,
Speaker 1: I would be a bad interview. Like the next day.
Speaker 1: The next day on the NFL network, Buck he would say, Hey,
Speaker 1: I'm hearing that brought us really poorly. In the interviews,
Speaker 1: you know that's thought was punched a coach when he
Speaker 1: asked him a tough question. Throat. Oh, I feel like
Speaker 1: I feel like this has to be a post COVID
Speaker 1: event that needs to actually happen, so I think it
Speaker 1: doesn't need to just be taught. But I also appreciate
Speaker 1: how analytical buck he was in that whole answer. Like
Speaker 1: you could have taken a snippet out of that and
Speaker 1: put it right up next to his analysis of these
Speaker 1: other players. It wouldn't have been any different. Like he
Speaker 1: actually had thought it out, he was ready to go.
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Thanks for the question, Philip. That was
Speaker 1: a bunch of Hey, let me say this though real quick. Guys,
Speaker 1: let's all go to Indianapolis and meat. Hopefully we could
Speaker 1: do that, and I'll buy everybody a steak dinner at
Speaker 1: Saint Elmos and we will have no Okay, we'll have
Speaker 1: a contest to see you. Yeah, we'll see who can
Speaker 1: eat a tomahawk chid. That's what we need to go.
Speaker 1: I'm in on that. Yeah, we put a put a
Speaker 1: shrimp cocktail in there. I'll be right there with you,
Speaker 1: and I like that. How about that? All right? Well,
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Speaker 1: Com Draft Show. Final segment here of the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: dot Com Draft Show, and we're running out of time.
Speaker 1: We were gonna try and hit some of the corners,
Speaker 1: top five corners and a cluster of those guys and
Speaker 1: kind of where they rank out. We're gonna have to
Speaker 1: save that for next time because these guys will be
Speaker 1: back on December twenty ninth. It'll be a late Christmas
Speaker 1: gift for everybody on the draft, but this group will
Speaker 1: be back in a couple of weeks. But I want
Speaker 1: to hit these quarterbacks really quickly because we've been getting
Speaker 1: a lot of questions on Twitter. Bucky Brooks, I'm sure
Speaker 1: you've been hearing a bunch about it with your coverage
Speaker 1: on the NFL network. But right after Trevor Lawrence, there
Speaker 1: is a cluster of quarterbacks, Trey Lance, Justin Fields, Zach Wilson.
Speaker 1: I mean, there are so many different guys that could
Speaker 1: be considered as that quarterback number two, And I'm interested
Speaker 1: to see where you guys think those guys are at
Speaker 1: the moment. Brian, We'll start with you, who's your quarterback
Speaker 1: number two and how close are they together behind Trevor Lawrence?
Speaker 1: And hey, maybe Trevor Lawrence isn't your top guy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've got Justin Fields is my number two guy. I
Speaker 1: just think the actors see the mobility, the size, the
Speaker 1: way he protects the football. I know he had a
Speaker 1: bad game the other last time out. He had some
Speaker 1: interceptions they throw, but overall, you watch him, he can
Speaker 1: make all the throws. He can stand on the right
Speaker 1: hash he could throw the ball all the way to
Speaker 1: the sidelines. He's got touched down the field, the way
Speaker 1: he manipulates the poet, the way he moves around, the
Speaker 1: way he keeps his eyes down the field. I'm a big,
Speaker 1: big fan of his. I'll tell you for number three,
Speaker 1: I really like Trey Lance out of North Dakota State.
Speaker 1: And you know this is no disrespect to Wilson at BYU,
Speaker 1: but I just feel like though that Trey Lance, I
Speaker 1: think he's got some dak Prescott trades to him. And
Speaker 1: I mean this in a way of a big, good
Speaker 1: looking athlete. The ball really flies off his hand. You
Speaker 1: watch him, of all the quarterbacks, that ball really is
Speaker 1: coming off his hand. Now he's throwing to guys, and
Speaker 1: this is no offense, no defense to those guys who offense.
Speaker 1: Thus he's throwing the guys that are some pharmacists, some accountants,
Speaker 1: some guys that are gonna be some cattle ranchers. You know,
Speaker 1: he's throw up, and you know there's times where they
Speaker 1: put him in a bad spot. But you see the touch,
Speaker 1: you see the ball flight, and I see the toughness.
Speaker 1: I mean he is slamming into people running the football.
Speaker 1: I really like him as the number three guy, and
Speaker 1: then Wilson after that. We'll see where Trask and the
Speaker 1: others fall after that. But but Lance is a guy
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: teams are going to fall in love with him. You know,
Speaker 1: Ryan is funny. I think these three quarterbacks are all solid.
Speaker 1: I'm with you on Justin Fields, and in fact, I
Speaker 1: believe Justin Fields should be ready closer to Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 1: than not. I know that Trevor Lawrence is going to
Speaker 1: be the number one, but if you go all the
Speaker 1: way back from high school, these guys have always alternated
Speaker 1: being number one and number two in the country, having
Speaker 1: a chance to coach both of them. Both of these
Speaker 1: guys are terrific. I think Justin Fields his baseball background
Speaker 1: should not be underestimated. We've seen guys like Mahomes and
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson and Cala Murray have success because they can
Speaker 1: do things. This is a guy that was a high
Speaker 1: level baseball player, so keep them in mind. I think
Speaker 1: the two that you mentioned after that, Zach Wilson and
Speaker 1: Trey Lance. I think, for whatever reason, Trey Lance is
Speaker 1: going to be undervalued in this draft. I think the
Speaker 1: one game showcase actually hurt him because it kind of
Speaker 1: leaves a vision and guy's mind. But if you go back,
Speaker 1: can look at last year's tape. This guy was fantastic.
Speaker 1: I had visions of him playing in a Kyle Shanahan
Speaker 1: like system and absolutely tearing it up. He's big, six four,
Speaker 1: two twenty eight pounds. His dad played in the CFL.
Speaker 1: Football is not a novelty to him. This is a
Speaker 1: really good player. Zach Wilson is also intriguing. I don't
Speaker 1: think you can go wrong with him either. He's a
Speaker 1: gun slinger, he has athleticism and mobility. He has a
Speaker 1: little that I would call it that Joe Burrows swag
Speaker 1: that when you're around, he has a little something to
Speaker 1: him that you like. Okay, this is not my typical
Speaker 1: PYU quarterback. He can play. I think ultimately at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, I would stack him Fields, Wilson,
Speaker 1: then Lance, And the only reason I put Lance a
Speaker 1: little bit behind is because the one year thing. But
Speaker 1: I don't think you can go wrong with those players.
Speaker 1: I think it really goes down to going to the
Speaker 1: ice cream shop and trying to figure out what flavor
Speaker 1: do you want? Okay, So, Brian, remember remember in twenty
Speaker 1: sixteen when we fell in love with Lakwan Treadwell and
Speaker 1: it didn't work out. It was big miss, you know,
Speaker 1: didn't have the career we thought, and we were scared
Speaker 1: of the big bodied, bad route running receiver, like we
Speaker 1: were scared of all those guys for like a couple
Speaker 1: of years. So maybe maybe this is recency bias in
Speaker 1: the opposite way because of Patrick Mahomes. But I am.
Speaker 1: I am smitten with Zach Wilson, Like I don't want
Speaker 1: to be the guy. I don't want to be the
Speaker 1: guy that passes up on this guy because I thought
Speaker 1: Bucky Bucky said it perfectly, like this guy's thumbnail. I mean, okay,
Speaker 1: he's completing He's completing seventy percent of his passes. He's
Speaker 1: got thirty touchdowns and three picks. I know he's not
Speaker 1: playing an SEC or a big tent level of competition.
Speaker 1: Who's playing a much higher level of competition than Trey
Speaker 1: Lance did at BYU. I mean, they go and play everybody.
Speaker 1: And oh, by the way, he's a freak. This guy
Speaker 1: has got an absolute canon like he I mean, it's
Speaker 1: He's got the strongest arm I think I've seen on
Speaker 1: a college quarterback since Patrick Mahomes came out. And on
Speaker 1: top of that, he just seems to kind of have
Speaker 1: that it factor like you kind of want you kind
Speaker 1: of want your quarterback to be an a hole, like
Speaker 1: like he's an a hole, but he's my a hole.
Speaker 1: Like nobody else likes him, but I love him. Like
Speaker 1: That's how That's how I felt about Joe Burrow Is, Like, man,
Speaker 1: if he wasn't on my team, I would hate this guy,
Speaker 1: but he's on my team, so I love him. And
Speaker 1: that's how I feel about Jack Wilson. Yeah, yeah, Zach Wilson.
Speaker 1: It's not his fault though. I mean we talk about
Speaker 1: the schedule. They had a big time schedule until the
Speaker 1: pandemic YAP. I mean being an independent and being an
Speaker 1: independent actually hurt him because he they had Washington, they
Speaker 1: had some big games on their schedule, that's some SEC
Speaker 1: games since they were gonna play. I think that you
Speaker 1: talk about the Mahome stuff, I think you do see
Speaker 1: that that ability to move around, to to kind of
Speaker 1: stow its side, arm to drop down, you know. But
Speaker 1: I think the thing with Lance and maybe it's the
Speaker 1: old krusty guy in me. I look at that size,
Speaker 1: I look at the way he takes the snap. I
Speaker 1: look at the way he moved and that ball comes
Speaker 1: out of his hand and stuff like that. I just
Speaker 1: really that that that guy right there. That to me,
Speaker 1: I'm like, man, that's what a quarterback looks like. But
Speaker 1: everything you said about Zach Wills, about Zach Wilson is
Speaker 1: absolutely correct. I just don't you know, it's funny and sorry,
Speaker 1: all right, Buck, No, no, no, Dave run I think
Speaker 1: it's funny because I think now more than ever, when
Speaker 1: it comes to the traits personality and that leadership, that
Speaker 1: confidence really really matters and really coming on the heels
Speaker 1: of it. And I'm gonna say this in Trey Lance's favor,
Speaker 1: coming on the heels of Jalen Hurts having the performance
Speaker 1: that he had against New Orleans, I think it's only
Speaker 1: going to bode will for Trey Lance because we're beginning
Speaker 1: to see the game change where you have to count
Speaker 1: total yards from the quarterback position, rush yards, pass yards
Speaker 1: and those things. And when you get a guy like
Speaker 1: Trey Lance who can do it under center, he can
Speaker 1: do it from the gun, there's a lot to light.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying that also saying that Zach Wilson can
Speaker 1: do those same things. And so if you're a team
Speaker 1: in need of a quarterback, this is the year that
Speaker 1: you want to be in the mix because all of
Speaker 1: these guys have the trays to play in a new
Speaker 1: school stuff. And Brian, I hear what you're saying about
Speaker 1: Lance's athleticism. Zach Wilson has two hundred and fifty rushing
Speaker 1: yards and eight rushing touchdowns this season. No, no, there's
Speaker 1: no question, no question. No, you're not wrong about the player.
Speaker 1: I just me my vision, krusty scout guy. I'm looking
Speaker 1: at I mean physically when that when I said those quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: if they stood next to each other, they said, okay,
Speaker 1: pick your quarterback for your your sideyard game. Oh here
Speaker 1: a Trey Lance, come play on my team. You know.
Speaker 1: That's that's the old that's you know, it's the same
Speaker 1: thing with I took a lot of heat for Alan,
Speaker 1: you know, coming out of Wyoming. I mean they got
Speaker 1: on me about, oh you like Alan, Why do you
Speaker 1: like he can't do I go look at him? Look
Speaker 1: at him? You tell me, you know? So it's hey,
Speaker 1: I would have never and Bucky can attest to this.
Speaker 1: I would have never in my life thirty years in
Speaker 1: the National Football League ever believed that we were going
Speaker 1: to take a five nine quarterback one overall. Never would
Speaker 1: have saw it never never, never thought that the cope
Speaker 1: would be televised, and never believe that you're gonna take
Speaker 1: a five nine quarterback one overall, Folks, we got them
Speaker 1: both right now, So enjoy your quarterbacks. Fucking Trike. It's
Speaker 1: your flavor of ice cream. And yeah, I think the
Speaker 1: final thing, I think your imagination and creativity now taps
Speaker 1: into it. It is really the conversation, Brian, what can
Speaker 1: he be right if we do these things around him
Speaker 1: just to help him. I think Dad has to be
Speaker 1: in consideration when we look at the quarterbacks as well.
Speaker 1: Lots of quarterbacks up at the top of the draft,
Speaker 1: and lots of time to talk about him throughout the
Speaker 1: draft process and continue to get those values up there
Speaker 1: so that way their potential trade bait for everybody that
Speaker 1: wants to come take the Dallas Cowboys spot. But not
Speaker 1: trade down too far. Not trade down too far. We
Speaker 1: talked about that earlier. It can't do that, can't go
Speaker 1: back down that far. But that's going to do it
Speaker 1: for us here on the Draft Show today. Hope you
Speaker 1: enjoyed it over the last forty five minutes. For Chris
Speaker 1: being back in studio, for Brian brought us, for Bucky Brooks,
Speaker 1: and for David Helmont. I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long.
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