WEBVTT - Draft Show: How Costly Are These Wins? 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:09.479 He's the Dallas Cowboys dot Com Draft Show, your war 0:00:09.600 --> 0:00:13.280 room for incenter news and draft analysis from deep within 0:00:13.400 --> 0:00:16.799 the confines of Cowboys headquarters at the Star in Fresco, 0:00:17.079 --> 0:00:23.480 Dallas Cowboys like Ted Lambs and now your hosts Brian 0:00:23.560 --> 0:00:31.600 brought us David Hellman, Bucky Brooks, and Kyle Yeomans. There 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:35.440 are one hundred and thirty four days remaining until the 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:39.240 twenty twenty one NFL drafted. We are fully engold in 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:42.240 the draft process even though there's still three weeks left 0:00:42.600 --> 0:00:46.000 of the NFL season. Welcome into the Dallas Cowboys dot 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:49.440 Com Draft Show. It's episode three of the twenty twenty 0:00:49.479 --> 0:00:52.560 one draft and I'm glad to be back alongside Brian 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:56.040 brought us repertus Joe Burrow Jersey because those LSU Tigers 0:00:56.320 --> 0:00:59.080 got themselves a win this week over the Florida Gators. 0:00:59.120 --> 0:01:01.560 And you can see David Hellman he's pretty happy. That's 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:04.240 how he celebrated his birthday was by the win of 0:01:04.319 --> 0:01:07.640 the LSU Tigers. And then we've got Bucky Brooks as well, 0:01:07.720 --> 0:01:09.839 Chris Beam holding down the fourth back at the Star 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:14.679 in Frisco. And who wants to start Brian Dave, who 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:16.760 wants to start about these LSU Tigers. I want to 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:18.200 kind of get it out of the way early. I 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:20.959 want to kind of talk about it. I love Brian's jacket, 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:23.000 so I think I'm gonna let Bronas go first here. 0:01:23.000 --> 0:01:26.160 But that is a fantastic hoodie with the Joe Burrow 0:01:26.200 --> 0:01:28.760 reppin and all. I mean, how happy are you that 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:31.360 you finally got that win and it was against the 0:01:31.400 --> 0:01:33.840 top ten opponent as well. Yeah it was. We were 0:01:33.880 --> 0:01:35.880 a shoe in all the time to win the things. 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:38.679 So yeah, it was a great thing for the for 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:40.800 the Tigers to get that victory. And by the way, 0:01:40.959 --> 0:01:45.640 let's take congratulation to Bucky Brooks North Carolina tar Heels 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:51.000 putting it on ye. Yeah, I mean this is say, 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:53.920 this is a winning this is a winning combination right here. 0:01:53.960 --> 0:01:57.360 But good for anytime your program gets a big victory, 0:01:57.840 --> 0:02:00.720 it makes your week a whole lot better. And we 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:03.440 had a lot of good weeks last year this week 0:02:03.800 --> 0:02:05.320 this year, we haven't had this many, but it was 0:02:05.400 --> 0:02:09.120 nice to get one against that crew. I can actually 0:02:09.200 --> 0:02:11.960 tie this back to the Cowboys because if you're if 0:02:12.000 --> 0:02:16.120 you're a Cowboys fan listening, you understand I'm not asking 0:02:16.120 --> 0:02:17.840 you to win every game. I'm just asking you to 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:22.080 look like a competent football team, and that has not 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:24.600 been the case for the Cowboys or the LSU Tigers 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:27.440 this year. But hey, they they both did it this weekend. 0:02:27.560 --> 0:02:30.119 So nice of them to both put on a good 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:32.000 show at the same time for a change, because that 0:02:32.040 --> 0:02:36.600 hasn't happened a lot in twenty twenty. Yeah, Bucky, I 0:02:36.600 --> 0:02:38.760 mean I feel like all of our teams won. So 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:41.399 the Cowboys won, we got LSU a dub, We've got 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:44.519 UNC getting the dub, we got North Texas winning, and hey, 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:46.399 the one guy that we have a chance to get 0:02:47.320 --> 0:02:50.320 get drafted had four touchdowns. But Bucky, how did your 0:02:50.320 --> 0:02:53.200 weekend go overall? And what are you looking for? It 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:55.639 was a great weekend. You guys alluded to Carolina and 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:58.520 knocking off Miami and just seeing them run the ball 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:00.560 at will. I mean, you just don't see run for 0:03:01.480 --> 0:03:04.040 fifty yard for two running backs. But no, it was 0:03:04.040 --> 0:03:06.200 a great weekend. And then the Cowboys finally coming up 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:09.000 and playing well. I just don't want them to win 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:11.560 too many because then you know, you kind of out 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:13.320 of the kind of out of the race when it 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:16.680 comes to the top pick. So wait, which looks like Bucky. 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:19.600 That's a that's a phenomenal point because I mean, you know, 0:03:19.639 --> 0:03:22.399 we want the Cowboys to be good. They're they're mathematically 0:03:22.440 --> 0:03:25.919 still alive in the playoffs, but if they're gonna win 0:03:25.960 --> 0:03:29.080 a game, it worked out pretty great for us because 0:03:29.120 --> 0:03:32.080 the lah Chargers also won, so they haven't given up 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:33.960 a ton of ground in the draft packing order. And 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:36.920 then you know the gamble, You kind of take a 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:39.240 gamble when you start a draft show before the season's 0:03:39.280 --> 0:03:42.120 over that you know it's gonna it's gonna look a 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:44.760 little weird if they make the playoffs. But you know, 0:03:44.800 --> 0:03:48.000 Washington took care of business on Sunday afternoon, and I 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:50.520 guess we can't speak too too soon, but it doesn't 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:53.080 look like the Cowboys are playoff plat bound right now. 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:55.520 So now we can just sit back and see which 0:03:55.520 --> 0:04:00.280 pick they get. Well, this is a great set way 0:04:00.320 --> 0:04:02.920 into kind of what I wanted to hit early here 0:04:02.920 --> 0:04:05.320 in this show is the fact of how costly are 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:08.200 these wins, because at least earlier in the week, and 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:10.800 we were talking last week of if they beat the Bengals, 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:13.280 then they're not the third overall pick. That's where they 0:04:13.280 --> 0:04:14.800 would have been if they would have had the loss, 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:17.120 But we were expecting them to jump to eight, nine, 0:04:17.200 --> 0:04:20.120 ten overall, kind of like how Philadelphia did with their 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:22.440 win over New Orleans. Now they're picking ninth in the 0:04:22.480 --> 0:04:25.600 pecking order, at least at this very moment. The Giants 0:04:25.640 --> 0:04:27.760 with the loss has them at ten, but the Cowboys 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:30.720 with their win only moved them down to five in 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:33.480 the draft orders. So I ask you, guys the question 0:04:33.520 --> 0:04:37.280 of whenever it comes to these wins later in the season, 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:39.920 and especially for those of you Bucky and Brian who 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:43.360 have been on a scouting staff, have been a coaching 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:46.320 staff previously, but how costly are these wins or is 0:04:46.320 --> 0:04:48.680 it still something that you want to build going in 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:56.360 to twenty twenty one. Yeah, I think they're You know, 0:04:56.480 --> 0:05:00.880 it's when you start to think about going for that 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:03.960 you you see, you want to win the games. You 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:07.680 absolutely want to win these games. And so you know, 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:10.559 as a front office, you know, because that's your job 0:05:10.720 --> 0:05:14.120 that now fans on the outside when the season doesn't 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:16.160 look right, you know, when you know you're not going 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:18.960 to really go anywhere, when you really don't have a shot, 0:05:19.200 --> 0:05:21.800 and you start to think about what's the best way 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:24.280 to help our football team, and the draft is the 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:26.599 best way to do that. You know. The draft is 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:28.560 the way that you know, if you get to pick 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:31.920 high in every single round, you give yourself a shot 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:34.359 to go and get players to make a difference for 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:38.159 your football team. And so, yeah, front office guys they 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:40.880 want to win that, you know, that's their job. Fans 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:45.120 that understand the big picture of things, Yeah, these these wins, 0:05:45.680 --> 0:05:48.400 they come at a cost because there's gonna be differences 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:51.120 when we really start getting into this and the different 0:05:51.120 --> 0:05:53.360 tiers of players and the ones you're going to have 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:56.800 available to you. Uh, that's you know. I tell my 0:05:57.000 --> 0:05:59.280 folks all the time that listen to me, Hey, when 0:05:59.320 --> 0:06:02.120 you win these games, don't complain to me when I 0:06:02.200 --> 0:06:04.360 tell you you're going to pick the fourth best corner 0:06:04.600 --> 0:06:07.640 and not the first best corner. So that's where this 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:10.120 thing will fall for a lot of these as we 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:13.000 go forward here. Yeah, Brian, you make a great point, 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:15.640 because front officers are tasked with winning. The coaches are 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:18.040 coaching their tails off because they not only want to win, 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:19.680 but they want to get some of this heat off 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:22.520 of them for a disappointing season. However, I still think 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:24.880 as a scout, you kind of look towards the draft 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:27.920 and you're trying to figure out where there's strengths and weaknesses, 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:30.600 and if we fall too far, we could put ourselves 0:06:30.640 --> 0:06:33.640 in a shallow pool when it comes to the positions 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:35.680 of greatest need. And so when I look at the 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:38.719 Cowboys sitting at five, you're still in good shape. But 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:41.320 now if you win some more games, it changes the 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:43.400 dynamic with some of your biggest needs and some of 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:48.720 the players that could be available at those spots. You know, 0:06:48.720 --> 0:06:51.839 it's I talked about this yesterday on Cowboys break is. 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:55.559 I don't mind at all that they won that game. 0:06:55.720 --> 0:06:59.320 First of all, as we saw, like even against the 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:05.640 bad Cowboys team, the Bengals are another level of bad Bucky. 0:07:05.680 --> 0:07:07.800 You alluded to that when you previewed him last week, 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:09.880 Like you like the last thing you told us was like, 0:07:10.160 --> 0:07:13.400 if the Cowboys can't beat this team, I don't even know. 0:07:14.000 --> 0:07:17.600 I don't even know what to say. So on like, 0:07:17.720 --> 0:07:20.360 first of all, it maybe it was never realistic to 0:07:20.400 --> 0:07:22.679 think the Cowboys could lose that game. I also think, 0:07:23.000 --> 0:07:25.920 you know, you want to establish a winning mindset, Like 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:29.680 I don't think it's good for anybody, coaches players, anybody 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:32.200 to just like lose out the rest of the season 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:34.240 and finish with, you know, three wins. I don't. I 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:36.480 don't think that's a good idea. So I don't mind 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:38.280 that they won that game. Like I said, like it 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:41.160 hasn't moved them in the draft order too much because 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:44.239 of what else is happening around them. But I will say, 0:07:45.680 --> 0:07:48.160 if if you're getting if you're getting up to five 0:07:48.280 --> 0:07:51.440 or six wins, now I'm getting nervous about the the 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:53.400 talent that's going to be available to you because I 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:55.520 actually I looked at this before we went on the show, 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:58.160 like the Chargers are gonna lose some more games, Like 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:00.720 they've still got a game against the Chiefs, they got 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:04.600 to play a pretty decent Raiders team. Carolina's playing Green Bay. 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:08.400 Think they've got Washington as well. Atlanta's playing the Chiefs 0:08:08.440 --> 0:08:10.480 as well as the Buccaneers, who are in a wild 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:13.200 card chase right now. Like a lot of these teams 0:08:13.200 --> 0:08:15.280 that are around the Cowboys are definitely going to lose 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:18.560 some more games. So it's cool that they beat the Bengals, 0:08:18.640 --> 0:08:21.720 but every win they get for the rest of these 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:24.880 three weeks stands to really affect them in the draft order, 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:28.160 and I would probably advise against doing too much more. 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:33.640 Winning well with this win against Cincinnati, ultimately they lost out. 0:08:33.760 --> 0:08:36.840 It was the Pinna Seul Bowl, And right now it 0:08:36.880 --> 0:08:39.160 seems like you have lost out on Pina Soul offensive 0:08:39.200 --> 0:08:41.680 tackle out of Oregon, and we're going to get into 0:08:41.720 --> 0:08:44.120 just how good he is and where he compares with 0:08:44.200 --> 0:08:46.800 the rest of the offensive tackle should the Cowboys potentially 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:49.559 want to go in that direction later in the draft 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:51.760 or at least whenever they end up picking. But I 0:08:51.800 --> 0:08:54.160 kinda want to ask you guys about the difference between 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:58.760 a top five prospect and a player of another prospect 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:01.400 with a first round grade, because that's kind of what 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:03.280 we're talking about right now, is if you're going to 0:09:03.320 --> 0:09:05.120 be in the top five, you're gonna have a top 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:07.559 five guy. But if you're going to be in five 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:10.679 through twelve or even five through twenty, especially with this 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:13.439 draft class, you're going to be limited with the talented 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:15.800 prospects that you have. But Brian, whenever it comes to 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:20.000 separating these guys into those tiers, what goes into that 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:23.640 and what's the biggest difference between those players? Well, the 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:27.480 biggest difference I think, and when you watch these players, 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:30.880 it's clear when you have those players that have that 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.760 rare top five talent. When you sit down in that 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:37.760 war room and watch tape with everybody and then listen 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:41.360 to the area's scout describe the player. Listen to the 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:46.360 regional scout, describe the player. Listen to the cross checker 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:49.240 describe the player. It's like you're watching that tape and 0:09:49.280 --> 0:09:52.000 you're like going, Okay, I see every single thing that 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:55.040 those scouts are talking about right now. My own eyes 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:57.079 can tell me that. I mean, there is a clear 0:09:57.200 --> 0:10:00.280 difference when you get to the top of that draft. 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:03.080 And you know that's why when you stack your board 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:05.960 from that one to one fifty and you put them 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:09.000 in order of how you would take them, it's clear 0:10:09.240 --> 0:10:11.480 those guys have that, you know. I mean I used 0:10:11.480 --> 0:10:14.840 to always the night before the draft, I would say this, Uh, 0:10:15.120 --> 0:10:18.040 I'd look at the board. I'm saying, please, football guys, 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:21.040 let the tags glow of the ones that are gonna 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:23.200 be all pros, you know, just let him glow for 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:25.920 me so I can. I could see that. But with 0:10:25.960 --> 0:10:29.760 these top, these top guys, you could tell, you know 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:33.760 exactly maybe the traits, the characteristics, the way they play 0:10:33.760 --> 0:10:36.520 on tape, the way they handle their interviews and stuff 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:39.480 like that. I mean that the pieces all come together. 0:10:39.880 --> 0:10:41.960 Now when you get down towards the middle of the board, 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:45.840 maybe the traits aren't as pronounced, and it's kind of 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:48.560 like you're sitting there going, okay, we're having to dig 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:51.440 a little further, and maybe he's comparing to this guy. 0:10:51.559 --> 0:10:54.360 He's this guy's got a couple more traits than this guy. 0:10:54.400 --> 0:10:56.959 And oh wait, the interview puts him over here, and 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:59.839 so yeah, it's it's it's a little bit more of 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:03.240 they have of a putting the puzzle together at the 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:06.360 middle to the bottom as it is to top those 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:09.280 those tags at the top. You know that those guys 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:12.000 up there could play football. Now you bust on him sometimes, 0:11:12.320 --> 0:11:14.959 but also then you have times where those guys are 0:11:14.960 --> 0:11:17.680 your Hall of Fame type players as well. So it's funny, 0:11:17.760 --> 0:11:19.839 Run I learned this from you going all the way 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:21.480 back to when I was playing in Green Bay and 0:11:21.520 --> 0:11:23.760 we were at a workout in Carolina, and I don't 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:26.360 know if you remember, it was Brian Simmons linebacker that 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:30.080 went to Cincinnati in the first round, and was Kay 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:32.720 Mays who was a linebacker from Carolina that went to 0:11:32.760 --> 0:11:34.720 the fourth round to the Minnesota Vikings, and we're sitting 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:37.439 there watching the workout and and watching the workout. One 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:40.640 guy was super explosive, super dynamic. You could just tell 0:11:40.960 --> 0:11:43.000 and you whisper to my heir, that's the dish between 0:11:43.040 --> 0:11:45.960 a first rounder and a fourth rounder. And so to 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:48.160 bring it in the first round. When you think about 0:11:48.200 --> 0:11:51.280 a top five player, a top five player has typically 0:11:51.320 --> 0:11:55.439 all of the blue chip traits, size, athleticism, production, he's dominant. 0:11:55.480 --> 0:11:57.640 He's a guy that you can easily see as a 0:11:57.640 --> 0:12:00.280 top two or three player in this position really quickly. 0:12:00.679 --> 0:12:03.480 A first round guy may have eighty to ninety percent 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:06.400 of the traits, but when you look at him, you're like, Okay, 0:12:06.400 --> 0:12:08.080 he can be a starter. He can be a starter 0:12:08.200 --> 0:12:10.600 right away. He's gonna make that contribution. I think the 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:13.439 best example I can give right now recently is the 0:12:13.480 --> 0:12:17.400 game that Chase Young had on Sunday. That is what 0:12:17.480 --> 0:12:19.880 a top five player is supposed to do right away, 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:22.120 Like when you put them on the field. It is 0:12:22.640 --> 0:12:26.200 easily readily inapparent like okay, yeah, we gotta do it. 0:12:26.240 --> 0:12:28.920 Shouldn't take you a lot of time to go through 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:31.040 the tape and do all this other stuff to figure 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:33.240 out if you can play. Because if you're spending that 0:12:33.320 --> 0:12:36.640 long debating he's not a top five guy, it stands 0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:39.120 out it's easy. I mean, it's it's the easiest guy 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:40.800 that you can get. Like, okay, yeah he's a guy. 0:12:41.160 --> 0:12:43.560 Now how high do I want to put my grade on? 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:45.360 But you know, a top five player when you see 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:52.199 when it stands out, I completely I was just gonna 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:54.360 say when you you said earlier that you were okay 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:56.719 losing or winning this game whenever it comes to the 0:12:56.760 --> 0:13:00.240 Cincinnati Bengals game. But it's the reason why you you 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:02.720 are a little bit more at peace about the win 0:13:02.880 --> 0:13:05.200 is because maybe those top five guys and those guys 0:13:05.200 --> 0:13:07.720 that are dudes, and the guys that stand out like 0:13:07.760 --> 0:13:10.520 Bucky and Brian just said, just aren't necessarily the same 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:13.440 caliber of guys that we've seen in other drafts. Exactly 0:13:13.520 --> 0:13:14.839 what I was about to say is, you know, I 0:13:14.840 --> 0:13:17.360 don't want to put any words in anybody's mouth, but 0:13:18.120 --> 0:13:19.959 I think we would all agree that there's not a 0:13:20.120 --> 0:13:22.680 Chase Young in this draft class, right. I mean, other 0:13:22.760 --> 0:13:26.160 than maybe maybe you feel great about one of the quarterbacks, 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:28.400 but in terms of all the other positions. I don't 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:31.600 think you have that slam dunk guy that's just got 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:33.640 to go in the top two. And I'm actually, you know, 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:35.920 I was. I was looking at other draft classes, and 0:13:36.040 --> 0:13:38.680 I agree with everything they said, like there's typically a 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:41.320 clear difference between like your top five can't miss guy 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:44.760 and then everybody else. But then you know, you gotta 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:46.960 keep in mind too that all of these teams are 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:49.880 going to evaluate guys different and beauty is really in 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:52.000 the eye of the beholder. You got to give coaching 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:54.760 staffs a chance to get in there and mess everything up, 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:58.920 like we always joke that they do. I mean, like, 0:13:59.080 --> 0:14:00.600 right right off the top of my head, you know, 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:03.520 Chase Young was the obvious number two guy. Jeff Okuda 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:06.400 goes number three. Who goes number four in last year's draft, 0:14:06.600 --> 0:14:09.840 Andrew Thomas, which surprised a lot of people, and a 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:12.640 lot of people would have told you he's probably the 0:14:12.720 --> 0:14:17.600 least promising of the big offensive tackles, and maybe the 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:21.880 best of them is either McKay Beckton, who went to eleventh, 0:14:21.960 --> 0:14:24.680 or Jedrick Wills, who's been playing so great for Cleveland 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:27.720 helping their offensive line. He goes number ten, and the 0:14:27.760 --> 0:14:29.560 reason I bring these things up or even you know, 0:14:29.640 --> 0:14:32.720 last year, nobody thought or two years ago, I'm sorry, 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:35.440 nobody thought Cleveland Ferrell would be the third overall pick 0:14:35.560 --> 0:14:38.880 to the Oakland Raiders except for Mike Mayock. And then 0:14:39.720 --> 0:14:43.240 Daniel Jones goes sixth overall, which floored a ton of people, 0:14:43.520 --> 0:14:45.600 and all of a sudden, a guy like Josh Allen 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:48.600 is sitting for you there at seventh overall. And I 0:14:48.720 --> 0:14:51.440 bring all of this stuff up to say, yes, you 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:53.800 won as high of a pick as possible. Yes, the 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:56.280 blue chip players are typically at the top of the draft, 0:14:56.600 --> 0:15:00.000 but stuff happens every year that gives you a shot 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.680 at these type of guys later on in the process. 0:15:02.720 --> 0:15:05.680 And that's why I'm not gonna lose sleep if the 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:09.040 Cowboys pick seventh instead of fourth, because especially in a 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:11.600 year like this where I don't think there are as 0:15:11.640 --> 0:15:13.920 many slam dunk prospects at the top of the draft, 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:17.320 I just I think it'll work itself out to where 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:19.600 you have a pretty good player sitting there for you 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:23.840 even if you fall a little bit. Now, let's talk 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:26.320 about one of those those blue chip guys really quickly 0:15:26.360 --> 0:15:29.240 before we take our first break, but the Cowboys losing 0:15:29.240 --> 0:15:32.640 out on pina Soul with the win potentially because like 0:15:33.080 --> 0:15:35.400 Dave just said, things could happen. He could fall to you, 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:39.280 but how much different is pina Soul at the offensive 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.840 tackle spot, Bucky when it comes to the rest of 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:45.160 these offensive tackles, Where does he compare and how much 0:15:45.160 --> 0:15:47.400 of a difference is it if the Cowboys wanted to 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:49.880 go offensive line in this first round. No, he's a 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:53.760 unique talent. He's a unique talent because he's a big, 0:15:53.880 --> 0:15:57.880 athletic edge player who has the ability to get to 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:00.560 the next level two plays with great ballot, has the 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:02.920 nasty that you want to see on the edge, and 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:06.200 he's dominant and disruptive. You know. I think the biggest 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:07.520 thing that stood out to me is I had a 0:16:07.600 --> 0:16:10.560 chance to talk to Marlon Davidson from Auburn last year 0:16:10.600 --> 0:16:12.440 here and Derek Brown, and I asked him who is 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:15.680 the best offensive linement that you saw? And I'm thinking 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:18.680 they're gonna say sec guy, maybe Andrew Thomas whatever. And 0:16:18.800 --> 0:16:21.320 to a man that said, o'penny swell is real. They 0:16:21.320 --> 0:16:23.200 say he has a level of dog and national's to 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:26.480 him that we were surprised because look, West Coast Pac twelve. 0:16:26.520 --> 0:16:29.680 You don't really see that kind of player, and so 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:32.920 he's a talented player. Mario crystal Ball squears by him, 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:34.440 says he's one of the best guys that he's ever 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.560 been around, and given who's been exposed to I think 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:39.400 it carries weight. I think the one thing that you 0:16:39.480 --> 0:16:41.960 worry about because he hasn't played like just kind of 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:44.240 where is he? But when I looked at him up 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:47.800 close last year justin Herbert's Pro day, he is not 0:16:47.920 --> 0:16:50.400 a big man in terms of fat or whatever. Everything 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:53.600 is together is locked and loaded. I mean, he's a 0:16:53.640 --> 0:16:58.040 body beautiful type. Considering your six six, three hundred and 0:16:58.160 --> 0:17:00.840 thirty pounds, you just don't see guys built like that 0:17:00.880 --> 0:17:05.120 that I can also move and play like that. Yeah, 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:07.840 and guys, what you're doing is you're watching a nineteen 0:17:07.920 --> 0:17:10.600 year old play right now too. You know this is 0:17:10.640 --> 0:17:13.200 not a This is not a guy that's an older guy. 0:17:13.280 --> 0:17:15.520 I mean, and you know, yeah, you're having to watch 0:17:15.560 --> 0:17:17.480 that tape from last year. And if you do watch 0:17:17.560 --> 0:17:20.600 the Auburn tape, if you get an opportunity, that was 0:17:20.640 --> 0:17:22.240 that was a tough game. There were a couple of 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:24.840 games where he had some he had some games. You 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:28.040 can watch Auburn USC you can watch the Washington game. 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:30.399 I mean there were some times where he had his 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:33.879 hands full. But you have to remember he's nineteen years old, 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:36.520 he's six six, he's three hundred and thirty pounds. The 0:17:36.640 --> 0:17:39.960 ease of movement is incredible with this guy. And I 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:43.040 you know, I you know, anytime you you talk about 0:17:43.160 --> 0:17:45.400 you know, guys that can play at space, can get 0:17:45.440 --> 0:17:48.840 to the second level, can you know, make the backside cutoffs? 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:51.399 Can you know it just can hammer guys at the 0:17:51.440 --> 0:17:53.680 point of attack, get to movement in the running game 0:17:53.680 --> 0:17:55.960 when you have to do that, create a lane when 0:17:55.960 --> 0:17:58.000 they're running the ball. These are all things that this 0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:00.720 kid can do. And you know, the ease movement, it's 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:04.399 just it's almost effortlessen And again you're watching tape of 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:07.760 a nineteen you will play and so you know, is 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:10.399 there some things he could work on? Yeah? Absolutely. I 0:18:10.760 --> 0:18:12.959 there's times in that Auburn game where I didn't think 0:18:13.000 --> 0:18:16.480 he finished great. But that's again the level of competition. 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:18.840 You want to watch these guys play against the best, 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:21.920 and that will kind of they'll paint a picture of 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:24.719 really with the type of player that he is. But 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:27.320 there's some other tackles in this draft. I think that 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:30.480 that Merrick consideration too. This is just not a one 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:32.600 tackle draft. I think there's a couple of guys in 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:37.760 here that could really help a football team. Yeah, I 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:40.920 think you've got guys like ray Shon Slater, Samuel cosmey 0:18:41.200 --> 0:18:44.480 derres All from Virginia tack There are multiple offensive tackles 0:18:44.520 --> 0:18:46.600 that could go in the first round, but they're just 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:48.600 not what Penne Soule is And that's one of the 0:18:48.640 --> 0:18:50.639 reasons why he's one of those blue chip guys that 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:53.040 Bucky and Brian were just talking about a couple of 0:18:53.119 --> 0:18:55.480 moments ago. But when we come back here on the 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:57.439 Draft Show, we're gonna go to into Twitter on the 0:18:57.480 --> 0:19:00.520 twenty one of those questions, how far could the Cowboys 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:05.120 trade down and still get a quality prospects somewhere? 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