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Speaker 1: Here we go. It is Tuesday. We are live in Chicago.

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Speaker 2: It's The Herd.

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Speaker 1: Wherever you may be and however you may be listening

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Speaker 1: or watching. Thanks for making us part of your day.

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Speaker 1: Nick Right one hour, Alexi Lawless one hundred days out

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Speaker 1: from the World Cup here in the States. So fourteen thousand,

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Speaker 1: five hundred people is a lot of people to have

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Speaker 1: in a survey all fifty states. The Athletic Today's survey

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Speaker 1: of fourteen thousand, five hundred sports fans, and they asked

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Speaker 1: him about baseball. Are you enthusiastic, hopeful, indifferent, disappointed, upset?

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Speaker 1: And four percent of people are upset. They'd be upset

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Speaker 1: if it was seventy four and blue Skies tomorrow. There's

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Speaker 1: just a small percentage of very cranky people who aren't

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Speaker 1: happy unless are unhappy. But the remarkable thing about the

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Speaker 1: survey is sixty seven percent of baseball fans today are

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Speaker 1: enthusiastic and hopeful. That is triple when this survey was

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Speaker 1: done in twenty twenty two. They don't do it every year,

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Speaker 1: so before the Dodgers dynasty was created, the sport gave

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Speaker 1: American sports fans an entirely different vibe. They are more enthusiastic.

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Speaker 1: Is the Dodgers feel like they're pulling away. Should be

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Speaker 1: noted that Dodgers needed seven games to win the World

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Speaker 1: Series over a Canadian team and we're actually outplayed for

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Speaker 1: the World Series. Dodgers also lead in road attendants, so

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Speaker 1: even if they're not your stars, you like paying to

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Speaker 1: watch The Dodgers second in road attendants. The playoff Chicago

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Speaker 1: Cubs a very big brand who have elevated and added

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Speaker 2: They should be better next year.

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Speaker 1: So the Cubs and the Dodgers are winning a lot,

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Speaker 1: and everybody is almost entirely happier, three times more happy

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Speaker 1: than three years ago. So what's hurting baseball and what

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Speaker 1: hurts any store, any industry is lousy. What hurts baseball

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Speaker 1: is the A's and the Marlins and the White Sox

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Speaker 1: and the cruddy Cardinals and the Pirates. You put those

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Speaker 1: products in the store, that hurts the store. The stores

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Speaker 1: never hurt with the best bakery in town or the

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Speaker 1: best produce in town. And the Dodgers are an all

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Speaker 1: star team. And what this I mean? You can't let

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Speaker 1: Cincinnati and Saint Louis economies limit everybody else. That's that's

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Speaker 1: but not getting in the way. And Baseball's improved for

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Speaker 1: a couple of reasons. Number one, they made necessary changes

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Speaker 1: that I wish for the record the NBA would do.

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Speaker 1: And they have not gotten in the way of great

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Speaker 1: They have not gotten in.

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Speaker 2: The way I mean, think about it.

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Speaker 1: If you had a salary cap, It's not like suddenly

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Speaker 1: the Cardinals would have all this money, or players would

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Speaker 2: The Mets and the Padres.

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Speaker 1: Right now, you have like seven excellent teams one in Canada,

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Speaker 1: the Blue Jays, the Yankees, the Dodgers, the Astros if

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Speaker 1: they're healthy, the Brewers, the Mariners were great, the Phillies,

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Speaker 1: the Padres Atlanta should be better. So and for the record,

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Speaker 1: lot of the negative discussion about the Dodgers is jealousy

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Speaker 1: number one. But it's also this fatalistic nature to society.

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Speaker 1: Like I've been hearing for the last month sports section, sports.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's funny because I read The Athletic for at

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Speaker 1: journalism everywhere as much as I've ever seen. Well, what

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Speaker 1: And I mean I hear about these fatalists with college sports.

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Speaker 1: and Freddie Podtak And take a deep breath. Sports journalism

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Speaker 1: good product on television. All take like eight stacked rosters

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Speaker 1: in baseball maybe it is. But here's Dave Roberts, Dodger manager.

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Speaker 1: And if the Dodgers product, if it's bad for baseball.

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Speaker 3: You know, you always have to have somebody that teams

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Speaker 3: I think I was one of those guys that didn't

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Speaker 3: as good as anyone in baseball of that. To get

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Speaker 3: superstars to play well every night, to put out a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just fine, lead the sport in road attendance, cub

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Speaker 1: I like Rich Paul Lebron's agent. Interesting guy. He's a

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Speaker 1: JJ Reddick tried to talk to him, Luca blew him off.

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Speaker 1: Reddick chased him down the bench, grabbed his arm, sat

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Speaker 1: was pretty clearly a confrontation and JJ Reddick wasn't let

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Speaker 1: looked him in the eye, did some barking, and then

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Speaker 1: the relationship here.

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Speaker 4: He is.

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Speaker 5: That leads to a healthy relationship because that means that

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Speaker 5: there's a profound respect for the player, and there should

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Speaker 5: it ultimately ultimately leads to a healthy relationship when things

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Speaker 5: happen in such a media robust environment that we're looking

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Speaker 5: for the drama of it all, and we want to

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Speaker 5: talk about the drama of it all, but the reality

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Speaker 5: of it is, Hey, these guys are getting paid a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, totally disagree. NBA is a star driven lead.

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Speaker 1: KD got his feelings hurt, left Golden State. Lebron didn't

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Speaker 1: like David Blatt. David Black got fired. Lebron had his

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Speaker 1: issues with Spoe, a great coach. He left Miami and

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Speaker 1: driven league. It's totally different. In football. Andy Reid and

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Speaker 1: and Peyton Manning can scream at each other, and Josh

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Speaker 1: not star driven. The football culture doesn't pander the football culture.

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Speaker 1: and accountability is really important in football. The basketball culture

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Speaker 2: That's the basketball culture.

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Speaker 1: So JJ Reddick and Luca are not necessarily built to

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Speaker 1: be best friends. JJ Reddick was known as a grinder,

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Speaker 1: an intense grinder as a player. Luca it made headlines

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Speaker 1: this summer when he actually worked out. Hey have you

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Speaker 1: heard pro athlete jogging? I mean they're not the same.

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Speaker 1: Cap Luca is gifted at thirteen years old, things come

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Speaker 2: JJ Reddick was a grinder in the NBA.

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Speaker 1: And remember this, five of the last seven Coach of

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Speaker 2: Five of the last seven.

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Speaker 1: Five of the last seven aren't coaching the team they

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Speaker 1: if there's animosity, this ownership group did not hire JJ Reddick.

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Speaker 1: And when JJ Reddick got the job, what was the

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Speaker 1: headline quote, Lebron's buddy gets the head coaching job. I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure how long Lebron's in town, meaning his buddy

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Speaker 1: could be in trouble. So I don't buy the oh,

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Speaker 1: you know there's a high paid got. Our football culture

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Speaker 1: There's less guarantees. You're not worshiped at thirteen. In fact,

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Speaker 1: half of the players on the NFL rosters were undrafted.

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Speaker 1: They're late bloomers, late developers. Their bodies take a while

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Speaker 1: not NBA. At NBA you can spot the talent by fourteen, fifteen,

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Speaker 1: sixteen years old. I mean Luca is playing for Real

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Speaker 1: lot of parents don't like to let their kids play

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Speaker 6: You have they miss You're patting yourself on the back there, Listen.

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Speaker 2: Culture different.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, the culture in the NBA is unbelievable, and I

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Speaker 7: You go on to basketball.

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Speaker 6: Courts, Yeah, you go to some Chicago basketball courts. Today

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Speaker 6: You're missing a lot of Lucas step backs, a lot

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Speaker 2: Uh per the athletic.

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Speaker 1: That's almost like this is journalism. There is no current

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Speaker 1: This is the ultimate insider respect to Kyle Shanahan, Kyler Murray, Garoppolo,

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Speaker 2: No, no turn on the news. This is the herd

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Speaker 6: There was a market for Breese Hall, but the Jets

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Speaker 6: Yeah, all right, let's move on to another New York team,

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Speaker 10: You know how passionate I am to to go out

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Speaker 1: Very good vibes around the New York Giants, Big Blue

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Speaker 7: The come Is that real? You're going on record with that?

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Speaker 6: Tell the team to put that on social media. Let's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll take.

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Speaker 7: The other side of that. Bet.

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Speaker 6: Could we get that on one of these prediction markets

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Speaker 7: I mean, Colin seriously win the NFCS.

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Speaker 6: Let me just remind you of Jackson darts record last year

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Speaker 1: Well, they're going to draft a right tackle, probably with

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Speaker 2: Listen, you know that's Brian Dable.

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Speaker 7: I thought Brian Dable was a great offensive mind.

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Speaker 6: What do you love about the resume? All the double

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Speaker 6: Wow, I can't you get the winning the division?

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Speaker 1: Do I have the New York Giants winning their division? Listen,

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Speaker 1: we know I mean, Drake may gets Mike Rabel. I

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Speaker 1: and shock people. The New York Giants winning that division

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Speaker 7: That would be a shock.

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Speaker 1: And I think have a better staff than Philadelphia. I

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Speaker 2: I think they have a decent roster.

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Speaker 7: Sun comes out in Chicago.

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Speaker 6: You get all giddy and excited, firing off Fordiction's.

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Speaker 7: Final story, Colin, Let's get excited.

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Speaker 6: The World Cup begins exactly one hundred days from today.

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Speaker 6: Remember the opening match on June eleventh, Mexico versus South Africa,

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Speaker 7: Obviously.

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Speaker 6: The day after that, USA faces Paraguay in the first

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Speaker 1: I think the crowds and the ratings are going to

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Speaker 2: It's going to be incredible.

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Speaker 6: So I usually say March Madness is the highlight of

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Speaker 6: World Cup year. Yeah, the World Cup clearly trumps that.

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Speaker 6: I mean, listen, June and July can be slow in sports.

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Speaker 7: Not this year.

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Speaker 6: There's going to be so much content, so many good matches.

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Speaker 6: I think the USA, like your hot takes the New York.

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Speaker 7: Giants winning the division.

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Speaker 6: I'm telling you, I see USA getting to like quarterfinals,

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Speaker 6: maybe semi finals. Got to see how it shakes out,

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Speaker 6: but I really like their chances. Colin, and you got

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Speaker 6: to monitor injuries coming up. We just saw Brazil suffer

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Speaker 6: a huge injury today. They announced one of their stars

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Speaker 6: is going to miss USA. So far healthy, there's the

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Speaker 6: USA lineup Paraguay on June twelfth.

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Speaker 1: We got we got a very I would say favorable group.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and your boy maybe going to two of those matches. So, uh,

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Speaker 6: you know, I might have a little World Cup cold

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Speaker 6: as we get closer to.

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Speaker 1: World Cup infuenza. Yes, Jmack with the news, Well.

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Speaker 2: That's the news, and thanks for stopping by the Herd Line.

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Speaker 2: News man. I'm looking at some of this. I'm looking

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Speaker 2: at some journalism today. Excellent. Mike Sandos got some journalism. Boy,

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Speaker 2: there's just journalism everywhere.

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Speaker 1: So I saw this story Max Crosby trade rumors Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: So if Max Crosby gets added to Dallas, plus, you'd

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Speaker 1: have to give up a first round pick. Plus let's

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Speaker 1: say they get a Caleb Downs or the top corner

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Speaker 1: in the draft. That's a different defense. So when they traded,

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Speaker 1: Micah parsons I said, Green Bay is going to win

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Speaker 1: the trade initially, just like when Shaq left the Lakers.

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Speaker 1: Whenever there's a big sports divorce or a divorce in

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Speaker 1: real life with relationships, doesn't mean there's not pain or

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Speaker 1: somebody or both people involved. Like Paul George Bales on OKC.

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Speaker 1: Yet hurt for a year, and Shaq left the Lakers,

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Speaker 1: they had to make a choice. Yet hurt for a

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Speaker 1: year and Micah left the Cowboys. Yeah, but they got

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Speaker 1: Kenny Clark directly because of the trade, and they got

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Speaker 1: Quinn Williams indirectly with one of the draft picks from

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Speaker 1: the trade. And now you add Max Crosby in a

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Speaker 1: first round corner over shown yet not to a different defense.

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Speaker 1: So you know, you have to be careful about trades.

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Speaker 1: Green Bay just like the Miami Heat with Shaq. Green

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Speaker 1: Bay was going to win that trade first year. You

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Speaker 1: gotta eat a dirt sandwich. It's gonna look bad. But

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Speaker 1: the point of it was first round picks which you

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Speaker 1: could use and leverage for other players. So Kenny Clark,

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Speaker 1: Quinn Williams over shown, Max Crosby. That is a real front.

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Speaker 1: That is an elite front. I would make the move.

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Speaker 1: And I also tend to think that Max is better

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Speaker 1: than Micah Parsons since he entered the league. Max Crosby

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Speaker 1: leads the NFL in tackles for losses, not Miles Garrett,

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Speaker 1: not Micah Parsons. Also, Crosby's a top six edge rusher

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Speaker 1: against the run. Micah Parsons very you know, eighteen nineteen

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Speaker 1: twenty middle of the pack. So I think Max is

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Speaker 1: a better player. I also think because they often play

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Speaker 1: with leads and have a high powered ecosystem offensively, that

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Speaker 1: Michaeh was a great get for green Bay. Green Bay

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Speaker 1: has done a market that does well in free agency.

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Speaker 1: It's not that attractive to a lot of pro athletes.

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Speaker 1: So green Bays like, we're gonna make a big trade

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Speaker 1: and go get a difference making edge rusher. I thought

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Speaker 1: it was a great move by green Bay and they

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Speaker 1: were gonna win it the first year. I didn't know

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Speaker 1: Micah would get hurt. But Max is better. Like if

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Speaker 1: you say to yourself, well, why would you go get Max?

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Speaker 1: You had Micah? Max is better And because of the deal,

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Speaker 1: for you know, the Micah deal, you used assets to

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Speaker 1: directly or indirectly solve your interior d line which was

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Speaker 1: trashed while you had Micah. That's why your defense was

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Speaker 1: so bad with Micah. So and just to give you

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Speaker 1: some sense, and I'm not anti Micah, but my scouts

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Speaker 1: always said the same thing. Kind of a splash player,

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Speaker 1: not very good against the run. At times against the

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Speaker 1: top tackles can disappear. And you know, Albert Breer reported

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Speaker 1: this last year, whereas Ceedee Lamb and Dak and Zach

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Speaker 1: Marson Zach Martin were loved in the Cowboy locker room.

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Speaker 1: Micah turned some people off, a little distracted, a little

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Speaker 1: bit of ego whatever, No reason to pick on him,

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Speaker 1: but that's just been reported. But I had Raheem Mostert

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Speaker 1: yesterday on the show. He played with Fred Warner, Christian McCaffrey,

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Speaker 1: Trent Williams, George Kittle, Nick Bosa, Ti Hill, and yet

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Speaker 1: he said Max Crosby was the best player he ever

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Speaker 1: played with.

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Speaker 11: He's played, however many snaps you know, in the in

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Speaker 11: the past several seasons. Dude does not come off the field.

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Speaker 11: And you got to respect a guy like that. You

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Speaker 11: know he can he can go out there with a

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Speaker 11: broken knee at torn a cl or whatever and still

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Speaker 11: put it up, put his body out there on the line,

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Speaker 11: like you know, he there's no tomorrow. Max Crosby is

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Speaker 11: an ultimate competitor, man, and he's he wants to win

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Speaker 11: and I love it.

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Speaker 6: Man.

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Speaker 11: He boosts everybody up there around him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so you can say what you want. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: make sense, you had Micah, Why would you get Max?

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Speaker 2: Max is better?

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Speaker 1: You were able to buy Proxy or indirectly get Quinn

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Speaker 1: Williams and Kenny Clark, You've got a first round pick,

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Speaker 1: even if you get Max, Max Crosby, Caleb Downs, Quinn Williams,

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Speaker 1: Kenny Clark over shown.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that's a real defense.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that was a real That will be a real defense.

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Speaker 2: Nick.

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 1: The Warriors admittedly had a Jonathan Kaminga problem, and they

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Speaker 1: actually had a young player problem, Jordan Poole, James Wiseman.

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Speaker 2: None of them worked.

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Speaker 1: Kaminga and Pool were productive, but they really didn't play

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Speaker 1: well with Steph Curry and Draymond Green that didn't play well.

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Speaker 1: So Kaminga, you know the new CBA. The Warriors are like, listen,

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Speaker 1: if we keep Kaminga, we got a second big contract

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Speaker 1: in a couple of years, it's going to be one

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Speaker 1: hundred plus million, and we just don't see him as

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Speaker 1: that guy. There were a lot of dnps especially against

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Speaker 1: good teams. And so the Warriors have all sorts of

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Speaker 1: smart people and they're like, Eh, we're gonna move him,

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Speaker 1: and they sent him to Atlanta, and now Atlanta's going crazy.

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Speaker 1: Well you see what he did Sunday night against the Blazers.

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Speaker 1: I mean he is dominated in two games the Wizards.

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Speaker 1: So there's two types of guys in the NBA that

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Speaker 1: average like twenty plus a game. There's legitimate game altering

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Speaker 1: stars and then they're like guys who are just long,

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Speaker 1: run the floor, twitchy and athletic, but they are not

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Speaker 1: winning players. Kaminga is super athletic, but in thirty four

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Speaker 1: playoff games with the Warriors, he averaged seven points. He

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Speaker 1: is not what I would call a winning player. He

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Speaker 1: falls into that kind of flashy athletic sort of Jah Morant,

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Speaker 1: Zach Levine z on. And I'm not anti you know,

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Speaker 1: athletic guy.

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Speaker 2: But there's the.

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Speaker 1: NBA is full of guys who are athletic and give

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Speaker 1: you twenty. But I'll take Cad Cunningham who's kind of grounded,

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Speaker 1: not flashy, and delivers. So there's a lot of talk

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Speaker 1: now Kaminga. Kaminga's given us wind mill dumps for years.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't want to rebound, rebounds hard, he doesn't shoot threes, wildly,

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Speaker 1: inconsistent offensively, So you know there's a lot of pushback

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Speaker 1: on well, I mean, listen, the NBA has got a

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Speaker 1: ton of talent, Jonathan Kaminga's talent. It's a global sport.

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Speaker 1: The NFL's not. There's a ton of talent, and there's

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Speaker 1: a million guys out there that can give you twenty

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Speaker 1: two points a game. But Golden State had him for

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Speaker 1: four and a half years and never trust that have

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Speaker 1: been a big spot. And there are two types of

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Speaker 1: guys that can give you twenty twenty two a game.

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Speaker 1: The guys that alter alter the outcome and guys who

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Speaker 1: are just long run the floor. Well, you know they've

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Speaker 1: got some athletic gifts, don't necessarily they work hard, but

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Speaker 1: you trust them in a big spot to get a bucket.

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Speaker 1: They never did in Golden State.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 1: So, and speaking of Flashy and not Flashy, I understand. Listen,

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Speaker 1: My first player I loved in pro basketball.

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Speaker 2: Is doctor J.

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Speaker 1: In fact, I have a podcast with him later today.

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Speaker 2: I love Doctor J.

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Speaker 1: I like Flash, I love Michael Jordan. A Magic Johnson

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Speaker 1: was Flash, Larry Bird at a little bit. I like

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Speaker 1: flashy players. But it is easy because I've said this

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Speaker 1: before about basketball. Basketball is the one sport in America

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Speaker 1: that you wear your favorite player. So your favorite player

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Speaker 1: could be Westbrook and he didn't have great handles, he's

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Speaker 1: not much of a shooter, but he's wildly athletic, and

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Speaker 1: you got his shoes, and so you love him, and

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Speaker 1: you know you could have John Wall's shoes and you

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Speaker 1: love him when he was playing. But the reality is

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Speaker 1: you have to be careful about that. And we're going

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Speaker 1: into an NBA draft where there's a couple of sen

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Speaker 1: stational players, one for BYU and one for Kansas, and

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Speaker 1: they can jump out of the gym.

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Speaker 2: It's all sorts of dunks.

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Speaker 1: And then there's this kid who dad played in the NBA,

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Speaker 1: who's much more grounded, who's not vertical, great feet, great hands.

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Speaker 1: His name is Cam Boozer, and Mike Krzyzewski said this

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Speaker 1: about him.

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Speaker 4: To me, it's not close. This kid is so dependable,

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Speaker 4: so poised. He's had really as good a year as

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Speaker 4: any freshman that has played here. Now, I'm not we

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Speaker 4: have a lot a lot of I'm not saying who's

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Speaker 4: the best one or whatever he's out there, I'll get

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Speaker 4: in trouble that he's had as good a year as

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Speaker 4: any freshman that's ever played here.

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Speaker 1: I mean that that is saying something at Duke and

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Speaker 1: what I love about Boozer his dad was a smart player.

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Speaker 1: He's a smart player, great feet, great hands, but he's

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Speaker 1: more grounded. And for the record, Kate Cunningham is grounded.

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Speaker 1: Kate Cunningham is physical, dependable, intangibles plus ten intangibles plus tangibles.

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Speaker 1: But in this draft, Boozer is seen as low ceiling guy,

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Speaker 1: and it's like Reed Shephard for Houston. There's a lot

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Speaker 1: of guys in the league con Kineppul, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of guys that don't have forty eight inch verticals, but

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Speaker 1: they're like winning basketball players. And so in this draft,

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Speaker 1: he's undoubtedly going to go third or fourth. But I

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Speaker 1: could see Darren Peterson, who's struggling to play on a

649
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,839
Speaker 1: regular basis, struggling. They're saying, right now, the game's gotten

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Speaker 1: into his head. So it's just he's a variant. I've

651
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Speaker 1: watched Duke play like all of you getting ready for

652
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Speaker 1: March Madness. This kid, you get the exact same game

653
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,239
Speaker 1: and the exact same details. Every time you watch him play,

654
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: you get the exact same player. So there are certain

655
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Speaker 1: things that don't always travel your shot. Toughness travels, screen setting,

656
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: good feet, good hands, effort travel.

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Speaker 2: He is.

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Speaker 1: There's no question he is a more grounded player. But

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00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,360
Speaker 1: you know you gotta be careful because Jalen Green and

660
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: Jah Morand and Zion and Zach Levine, those guys. I

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00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 1: understand people falling in love with the hops and the

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Speaker 1: handles and the dunks and the windmills.

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 1: That is not Cam Boozer, but he is a and

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Speaker 1: J Mack loves college basketball. Every time you watch him play,

666
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: you get exactly the same performance every time. I very

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Speaker 1: rarely would a number three pick be underrated, but in

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00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: this class, he's going to be completely overshadowed.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, this is the best topic you had today, Colin.

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Speaker 6: I'm so happy you got it in the show. So

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Speaker 6: it's interesting Boozer is not super athletic. He's you're saying,

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Speaker 6: he's supposedly sliding down the draft boards, not tumbling, but

673
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Speaker 6: like maybe he's not one, two or three, maybe he's

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Speaker 6: five or six because the ceiling, Like, let's be real

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Speaker 6: Coach K's saying this stuff, which is nice. There's no

676
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Speaker 6: way he's a better basketball player than Cooper Flag. You

677
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:11,160
Speaker 6: would agree with that, right.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, Cooper Flags wasn't a decade talent.

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Speaker 2: That's totally different.

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Speaker 6: I mean for Coach K to say that, like Grant

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00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 6: Hill played a Duke, Grant Hill was going to be

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Speaker 6: the next Michael Jordan before injuries took him down. There's

683
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 6: so many other guys like Christian Latner is maybe the

684
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 6: greatest college basketball player ever with the success that he

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Speaker 6: had at Duke.

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Speaker 7: Like, there's so many guys. I don't see it with Boozer.

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Speaker 2: He just here's my argument for Boozer.

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Speaker 1: Over the last four to five years, because of Nil,

689
00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: the depth and talent in college basketball is really as

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00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: good as it's ever been today. Like we always say this,

691
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 1: college basketball and the NBA are global sports. College football

692
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: in the NFL aren't so. College basketball Now, Cameron Boozer

693
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: is going up against European players he wasn't going up

694
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 1: against five years ago, and guys are now staying in

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00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: college long. So when a guy like Cameron Boozer going

696
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:06,960
Speaker 1: up against more NBA players, NBA talent is giving you

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00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: this kind of consistency, and he's also got you know

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00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 1: it's Duke, he's got several teammates that are also scoring,

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00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: several teammates that are also getting the ball. So I

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Speaker 1: just when I watch him play. If you went to

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Speaker 1: the last ten drafts and you took out the most

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00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:29,759
Speaker 1: popular or flashiest player, there is a lot of misses. Yeah,

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00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,400
Speaker 1: there's a lot of guys that just aren't winning players.

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Speaker 1: Like I said, with Kaminga Cominga's talented, Jalen Green's talented.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they're winning players.

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Speaker 6: So let me ask you. So the Sacramento Kings, let's

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Speaker 6: say they win the lottery, they're the worst team in

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Speaker 6: the league. Do you go with the super high upside

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Speaker 6: aj Debonsa or Darren Peterson who could be a three,

710
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 6: four or five time All NBA guy, maybe an MVP candidate,

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Speaker 6: or Boozer who maybe has the ceiling And now this

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00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 6: is not a knock, maybe he's Demonte Sabonis right, who's

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Speaker 6: a really good player.

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Speaker 7: Would you agree?

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Speaker 1: No, he's better, He's a better and I think he's

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Speaker 1: a better offensive.

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Speaker 6: In five years, you think he'll be better than some bonus.

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Speaker 6: I think he was an All NBA caliber player. He's

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Speaker 6: a walking double double. I think he had like, I mean,

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Speaker 6: he has all kinds of records of double doubles.

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Speaker 1: The guy's really not saying this should be the number

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Speaker 1: one pick. My take is when you listen to coach

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Speaker 1: k and you watch his game, this, this sport more

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Speaker 1: than any other, lends itself to wow sizzle. Yeah, there's

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00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with that. I mean, it's it's the shoe movement.

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00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,279
Speaker 1: Doctor J Michael Jordan magic, Like, I'm into it too.

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Speaker 1: Steph Curry's game is unique. Kobe Bryant like, I'm into

728
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 1: it too. But if you look around the NBA, a

729
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Speaker 1: lot of the guys that are winning players are more grounded.

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Speaker 1: They're not sizzle guys.

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Speaker 7: Remember John Morant, how everybody fell in love with JOA Morant?

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Speaker 2: I get it.

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Speaker 7: He sold a lot of sneakers.

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Speaker 6: He was like the most pop one of the most

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Speaker 6: popular players among young teenagers a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 1: So Cameron Boozer is the first player listen to this

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Speaker 1: in forty years and college basketball now is thick with

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Speaker 1: talent to put up twenty two to ten and four.

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Speaker 1: He's the first college freshman in the history of college

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Speaker 1: basketball to put up those numbers twenty two to ten

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Speaker 1: and four. So again I'm seeing in a sport now

742
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Speaker 1: that's loaded with talent, him putting up historic number. Now

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Speaker 1: Cooper Flag is a better prospect and much flashier and

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00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:31,400
Speaker 1: a different player. And Peterson, but again, look around the NBA,

745
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: they're the guys. There's a lot of grinders, more grounded players.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of these guys like Jalen Brunson and

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Speaker 1: Cade Cunningham. They're kind of grinders. They're no boozer players.

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Speaker 7: Will you have a better career than Chris Webber because

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Speaker 7: are you no one who compared him to Webers.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you asked that, because when I first brought

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00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:53,960
Speaker 1: up Boozer last week, that's who.

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00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, it was you.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I said, he's not the prospect of Seaweb. But

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Speaker 1: when I looked at him, and I looked at his

755
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: hands and his feet and his effort, I'm like, oh,

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Speaker 1: that's Chris Webber. Now Weber, and I honestly believe this

757
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,440
Speaker 1: was the best prospect at forward I think I ever

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00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 1: saw playing.

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Speaker 7: I was in love with Chris Webber.

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Speaker 1: He was I mean, again, Lebron didn't play college basketball.

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Speaker 1: I mean it was like Seaweb was just different. But

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Speaker 1: I think this kid has some of the intangibles feet, hands, toughness,

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Speaker 1: rebounding effort. He's not a great defensive player. I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying that he. Cooper Flags a way better prospect. Cooper

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Speaker 1: Flags the best prospect probably in the decade.

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Speaker 2: Hour two now American prospect. Yes,