Speaker 1: Episode four thirty two, how to Afford More of What
Speaker 1: you Love.
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Frugal Friends podcast, where you'll learn to
Speaker 2: save money, embrace simplicity, and live a life here your
Speaker 2: hosts Jen and Jill.
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Frugal Friends podcast. My name is Jen,
Speaker 1: my name is Jill, and today we are talking about
Speaker 1: our new book, Buy What You Love Without Going Broke.
Speaker 1: And it's not like a sales ad we really wanted
Speaker 1: to have. We wanted to have a conversation about our
Speaker 1: favorite sections of the book and invite you into kind
Speaker 1: of behind the scenes of what's on our heart. But
Speaker 1: also if you're new here and you haven't listened to
Speaker 1: an episode of Frugal Friends, to really understand what values
Speaker 1: based spending is, what it isn't, and then how you
Speaker 1: can incorporate it into your life because it's gonna look
Speaker 1: different for everyone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is really just to get excited about the
Speaker 3: love letter that we wrote to ourselves and all of
Speaker 3: you and really describe more of what you're gonna get
Speaker 3: in the book. But it also is a standalone episode
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Speaker 3: but this is one of those we want to lay
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Speaker 1: Yes, we'll be sending the link to the zoom room
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Speaker 1: go to buy What You loovebook dot com and pre
Speaker 1: order there love it. So this episode, we really want
Speaker 1: to dive into the first part of our book, really
Speaker 1: the intro and Part one three, Part book, it's split
Speaker 1: into it's it's teaching you about values based spending, which
Speaker 1: is such a fun concept, but what if you've ever
Speaker 1: started to try to incorporate it into your life. It's
Speaker 1: a little more complicated than that, right, because we have
Speaker 1: all of these things, like, first of all, what do
Speaker 1: I value? Right? Like, what is it that I truly
Speaker 1: value versus what the world is telling me to value,
Speaker 1: or what my upbringing or my family or all of
Speaker 1: these these people, the societal norms are telling me to value.
Speaker 1: So what is it that I value versus outside forces
Speaker 1: are telling me to? And then there are actually things
Speaker 1: I have to spend money on that I don't necessarily
Speaker 1: value but I can't get out of right, So how
Speaker 1: do I navigate those things? And then once I figure
Speaker 1: that out, how do I conform my new life in
Speaker 1: lifestyle into the existing life I obviously cannot and do
Speaker 1: not want to escape from.
Speaker 3: There's so much nuance with it, which I think is
Speaker 3: why we can't give a five to seven step process
Speaker 3: to be able to implement this without any errors. This
Speaker 3: is not necessarily a financial plan. Do X, Y Z
Speaker 3: and you'll be exactly where you need to be. This
Speaker 3: is a lot more of a holistic approach of understanding ourselves,
Speaker 3: understanding the world around us, and really what we're trying
Speaker 3: to give here, what we are giving here in this
Speaker 3: book and I think through the podcast over these last
Speaker 3: six years, are principles that we can hold on to
Speaker 3: and form the foundation for how we make spending decisions,
Speaker 3: how we move through our daily lives and seasons in
Speaker 3: a way that is congruent with who we are, who
Speaker 3: we want to become. And that's why it is so
Speaker 3: difficult to say do X, y Z. But I think
Speaker 3: that there are some of these anchor points we can
Speaker 3: be describing that once we can really find our footing
Speaker 3: with each of those, we can get better and better
Speaker 3: at spending.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So this first section of the book is where
Speaker 1: we talk about how to afford more of what you love?
Speaker 1: And so that is a it's a very sexy title,
Speaker 1: but like it's a very it's very intense and tough
Speaker 1: topic because we're navigating finding more of what we love.
Speaker 1: We're navigating like, so what do I love? What are
Speaker 1: the big overarching things? And then also what are the
Speaker 1: small things, like the things, because little little treats make
Speaker 1: a difference, but the more little treats we have, they
Speaker 1: become normal and they're no longer treats.
Speaker 4: They're just habits.
Speaker 1: So like, how do we keep those treats special and
Speaker 1: then also afford to potentially save or you know, whatever
Speaker 1: we need to do to get more of the big stuff.
Speaker 1: And we pulled you guys in the friend Letter. That's
Speaker 1: another big reason to be part of the Friend Letter
Speaker 1: is that we do polls and we incorporate those polls
Speaker 1: into episodes. And it was kind of asking you, like,
Speaker 1: what do you wish your money allowed you to do?
Speaker 1: And so said, spend more time with family, have more
Speaker 1: job flexibility, enjoy unique experiences with friends, and then other
Speaker 1: and most of you said, I mean, it was very
Speaker 1: even all across right between family, friends, job flexibility, But
Speaker 1: most of you said, you just want more job flexibility.
Speaker 1: And a lot of the times, the reason we want
Speaker 1: more job flexibility is because we want more time with
Speaker 1: our family and our friends. So these all actually cycle together,
Speaker 1: I think. And then there were some fun like other
Speaker 1: a lot of them. A lot of the other was
Speaker 1: travel related, and I think more job flexibility allows more travel,
Speaker 1: and I think most of the time we want to
Speaker 1: travel with family and friends, right, so like this was
Speaker 1: it was so even across the board what you guys answered,
Speaker 1: because I think all the answers are very like intertwined.
Speaker 3: And I can relate when I think about just our
Speaker 3: title of the podcast episode today, how to afford more
Speaker 3: of what you love? This is what my mind goes to, like, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I want more of the things that bring me joy,
Speaker 3: that are exciting. How can I How can I have that?
Speaker 3: How can I buy what I love without going broke?
Speaker 3: And we think that one of the first things that's
Speaker 3: necessary here is certainly a good mental foundation. I know
Speaker 3: that we often love to jump to action steps, but
Speaker 3: we you know us.
Speaker 1: And there are actions there are strong us wrong yes.
Speaker 3: And some of the action steps, though, are looking at
Speaker 3: our perspective and what is our mindset around this. But
Speaker 3: I think one of the first things to understand is
Speaker 3: that spending is a skill. It's dispelling this myth that
Speaker 3: there's either spenders or savers and it's some personality trait
Speaker 3: that we possess, but rather a skill, like any other
Speaker 3: skill that can be learned. We can get better at
Speaker 3: the skill of spending even though we've not been taught it.
Speaker 3: Most of us have not been taught how to spend
Speaker 3: necessarily maybe even how to save, how to invest right,
Speaker 3: just like kind of anything else with money. Most of
Speaker 3: us have not been taught it, but it is a
Speaker 3: skill that we can improve upon. And so I think
Speaker 3: just beginning from there and knowing that aspect can be
Speaker 3: helpful as we keep going that this is something I
Speaker 3: can get good at, and there are some things I
Speaker 3: can do to get better at this so that I
Speaker 3: can afford the things that I love.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think so much of the narrative is
Speaker 1: around earning more money. And while that is super important,
Speaker 1: that's foundational, right, If you're not earning enough to pay
Speaker 1: your bills, like that's where your first focus should be.
Speaker 1: But for so many of us, we stop at the
Speaker 1: earning or if it's not a possibility to earn more
Speaker 1: at this time. Maybe you're having you're one of the
Speaker 1: many people right now that's having trouble finding work. Maybe
Speaker 1: you're in a place that you don't like and you're
Speaker 1: having trouble getting out of there or getting a promotion
Speaker 1: or a raise like those seasons happen, right, and we
Speaker 1: want to encourage you to earn more, But we understand
Speaker 1: when we think it should be valued that that's not
Speaker 1: always going to be your season, and when it's not
Speaker 1: your season, learning how to spend money well is a
Speaker 1: very valuable effort that you can make in your life
Speaker 1: because once you are earning more, which will happen, you
Speaker 1: need to know how to spend it or you're going
Speaker 1: to end up right back in the position that maybe
Speaker 1: you find yourself now or you found yourself before. So
Speaker 1: that's really why we spent an entire book talking about
Speaker 1: how to spend money. And when you can shift your
Speaker 1: mindset from I'm a spender, I just need to earn
Speaker 1: more to afford the lifestyle that I love that and
Speaker 1: you start thinking, okay, spending is a skill, right, I
Speaker 1: am not a spender and I'm not not a saverer.
Speaker 1: Those are myths. Everyone is a spender, everyone is a saverer, right.
Speaker 1: So when you start looking at spending as a skill,
Speaker 1: then you can start learning the sub skills around skills.
Speaker 1: So like being a like a good communicator, that's a skill,
Speaker 1: But talking isn't the only skill. If you only learn
Speaker 1: how to talk, then you're not really a good communicator, right.
Speaker 1: You need to learn active listening, a certain level of empathy,
Speaker 1: all of these sub skills that go that encompass being
Speaker 1: a good communicator. And so that's what values based spending is.
Speaker 1: It's not just spending money, because when we say how
Speaker 1: to spend money, you're like, oh, I'm great at spending money. Well,
Speaker 1: you can be great at talking, but that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: you great communicator. So we need to learn these sub
Speaker 1: skills around it so that we can be better at
Speaker 1: the skill. And when you think of it like that,
Speaker 1: then it becomes less of a Oh I'm I'm not
Speaker 1: going to focus on my spending or saving money. I'm
Speaker 1: just going to earn more because you know, there's only
Speaker 1: so much you can save, There's only so so much
Speaker 1: you can cut from your expenses. I hear that all
Speaker 1: the time. Just because there's so much. Just because there's
Speaker 1: a limit doesn't mean you shouldn't be working or not
Speaker 1: working to find what your limit is. Limits are not
Speaker 1: the enemy because because the limit can be anywhere for you.
Speaker 1: And so looking at it as a skill is a
Speaker 1: mindset shift that is basically like ground one step one
Speaker 1: to figuring out what you.
Speaker 3: Love m h Yeah, and spoiler alert, being able to
Speaker 3: afford more of what we love does absolutely intersect with
Speaker 3: identifying what we don't love and how to not spend
Speaker 3: on those things.
Speaker 4: That's another episode.
Speaker 3: But it's not just you can afford more of what
Speaker 3: you love just because money starts to appear.
Speaker 4: We all know that we don't have the magic wand.
Speaker 3: For that, some of it has to do with really
Speaker 3: leaning into finding what I value, prioritizing those things, and
Speaker 3: figuring out unique creative problem solving ways to maybe spend
Speaker 3: less in other areas, or not spend at all, or
Speaker 3: be able to experience and engage with the things that
Speaker 3: we value without spending money. There's a variety of ways
Speaker 3: that we can get at affording more of what we love.
Speaker 3: And sometimes, yes, that's going to mean spending well. Sometimes
Speaker 3: it's going to mean refraining from spending, and that's a
Speaker 3: part of spending well. But I think some of it
Speaker 3: has to do with understanding and knowing the role of
Speaker 3: values within our spending. And one of the things that
Speaker 3: we've really zeroed in on with the book is the
Speaker 3: importance of the four which we've already identified in the poll.
Speaker 1: Right, Yes, we didn't explicitly say them, but like you
Speaker 1: guys said them for us.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And they are faith, family, friends, and fulfilling work
Speaker 3: we recognize through research and our own experiences and what
Speaker 3: you all are saying that ultimately these are our values.
Speaker 3: Certainly we have other values outside of that, for travel,
Speaker 3: for good food, for you name it, anything that kind.
Speaker 1: Of spiritual practice.
Speaker 3: Honestly, Yeah, most likely though, the things that we really
Speaker 3: desire and we want to be engaging in that are
Speaker 3: our core values are these four fs in varying degrees,
Speaker 3: and so we seek to fulfill these values, sometimes through
Speaker 3: spending a lot of money, sometimes through the types of
Speaker 3: jobs that we have so that we can be with
Speaker 3: these people more often. But ultimately we are trying to
Speaker 3: fulfill these values. Sometimes we're doing that well, sometimes are
Speaker 3: not doing that well, and of course that intersects with
Speaker 3: the spending decisions that we make that are worthwhile to
Speaker 3: take a look at.
Speaker 1: Yeah. One of one of the fun crazy things about
Speaker 1: being a creator and somebody who makes content is like
Speaker 1: naming things you have to like name. It's just weird
Speaker 1: you don't do this in your real life, Like you
Speaker 1: don't name things in your life. I don't know, maybe
Speaker 1: you do. But like when we started talking shifting the
Speaker 1: narrative of what we talk about on frugal friends from
Speaker 1: how do I save as much money as possible? How
Speaker 1: do I spend as little as possible? And that's it's
Speaker 1: really what we never wanted it to truly be that,
Speaker 1: but we did start out on that because that was
Speaker 1: easiest to understand, right, And so when we kind of
Speaker 1: started to evolve and say, okay, how can I spend
Speaker 1: on what I truly love, what I truly value, and
Speaker 1: how do I say no to what I don't that
Speaker 1: was something that wasn't being widely talked about, and we
Speaker 1: kind of came up with the name values based spending.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't know if we came
Speaker 1: up with it on our own. I don't think we.
Speaker 1: I don't remember anybody saying that before us. So we
Speaker 1: went through this season of kind of trying to find, okay,
Speaker 1: what is values based spending, Like we didn't have that sentence,
Speaker 1: you know, four years ago, and we looked at actual
Speaker 1: like corporate company values, you know, like courage, generosity, starting
Speaker 1: right right, yeah, yeah, leadership if you have been with
Speaker 1: us for a really long time, you know, Like that's
Speaker 1: how the conversation started, and it was it was trying
Speaker 1: like you know, when you're trying to fit a round
Speaker 1: peg into a square hole. It was just that was
Speaker 1: that was what people when we were looking at values
Speaker 1: based spending, that's how people were describing it, and so
Speaker 1: that's what we went with. And then it took us
Speaker 1: years and really in to writing this book when we
Speaker 1: really did have to decide to name these things like
Speaker 1: values based spending the four FS. And what it came
Speaker 1: down to was that we were looking at these corporate
Speaker 1: values for so long, and everyone was saying, like, my
Speaker 1: highest value is family and friendship or faith, and eventually
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, we can't all have the same values.
Speaker 1: We gotta get those out of here, and we got
Speaker 1: to pick other values. And I just wasn't listening to
Speaker 1: what was right in front of me. I wasn't reading
Speaker 1: everybody's values that were coming into us. And when I
Speaker 1: finally stopped listening to what the Internet was saying and
Speaker 1: started looking at what was right in front of me,
Speaker 1: that's how we naturally came to the concept of the
Speaker 1: four FS being these like higher values, these higher needs.
Speaker 1: And then I looked at that at Mazell's hierarchy of needs.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you were like in the internet
Speaker 1: social sphere, when everyone is actually posting the hierarchy of
Speaker 1: needs and then like like painting over it and putting
Speaker 1: like iced coffee, cold brew lats, that's my hierarchy of needs.
Speaker 1: But that's like, that's what we were looking at, and
Speaker 1: it kind of it It just once we saw those
Speaker 1: values together along with the hierarchy of needs, it made
Speaker 1: total sense why everyone was putting those down as what
Speaker 1: they value most. Like we've got our base, you know,
Speaker 1: basic of the hierarchy is the physical needs, right, food, shelter, water,
Speaker 1: and then you've got your psychological needs, which are they're
Speaker 1: the kind of safety needs. You want to feel employed,
Speaker 1: you want to feel healthy, that's kind of physical. But
Speaker 1: you want to feel love, you want to feel friendship, family,
Speaker 1: sense of connection. You want to feel confident in yourself.
Speaker 1: You want to have self esteem, you want to feel
Speaker 1: like you're respected by the people who you want to
Speaker 1: respect you. And then you've got your self actualization or
Speaker 1: is your self fulfillment needs the very top, which is
Speaker 1: meaning purpose, creativity. And it just made total sense when
Speaker 1: we looked at Okay, if that's our human hierarchy of needs,
Speaker 1: that's why these are the four things that we're hearing
Speaker 1: so much because through these four things you meet all
Speaker 1: those psychological and self actualization needs. And so when we
Speaker 1: talk about values based spending and we talk about our
Speaker 1: our values, yet we're talking about two things in tandem.
Speaker 1: We're talking about these higher these you know, higher needs
Speaker 1: like our four afs, we're also talking about our little treats.
Speaker 1: And sometimes those little treats actually get us closer to
Speaker 1: these four afts. Like a latte with a friend or
Speaker 1: a latte alone away from your children and your family.
Speaker 1: Give me that's a great psychological need for me. But
Speaker 1: they're they're intertwined. They're both whether it's tangible or intangible.
Speaker 1: You can't when we try to separate these needs is
Speaker 1: when we start overspending on stuff that we are marketed
Speaker 1: to to try and fulfill these higher needs that we're
Speaker 1: being told don't cost money. Money doesn't buy love. Like
Speaker 1: you don't you know, need to spend money on this.
Speaker 1: We will spend money anyway to try and fill a
Speaker 1: need because we're we don't realize that it is a need.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this concept is really crucial to grasphold
Speaker 3: of because it's where we can see a lot of
Speaker 3: our impulse spending is tied to meeting some of these
Speaker 3: internal and external needs. So it is absolutely a need
Speaker 3: for self actualization, for esteem, for love and belonging, and
Speaker 3: a lot of those things come from the fore f's faith, family, friends,
Speaker 3: and fulfilling work. But what happens is we will often
Speaker 3: spend to meet these needs and usually we miss the
Speaker 3: mark on it, right, And I think marketers know this.
Speaker 3: This is another podcast episode as well, like just the
Speaker 3: Manufactured Desire and Consumerisms.
Speaker 1: Is my favorite.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're not there yet, no, but understanding that a
Speaker 3: lot of these ads that we're seeing on social media
Speaker 3: that are just trying to sell you some shoes or
Speaker 3: a backpack or a clothing item, that's not all they're
Speaker 3: selling you, right, They're selling you love and belonging, esteem,
Speaker 3: self confidence. Marketers are no dummies. They're trying to tap
Speaker 3: into your higher level needs to get you to buy.
Speaker 1: And they don't want you to know that to spend
Speaker 1: money on actually achieving those needs. They want you to
Speaker 1: think you can achieve those needs subversively by by buying
Speaker 1: this less expensive product, and you can't afford the more
Speaker 1: expensive like vacation with your family, so just buy you
Speaker 1: know this little like these pants that make your butt
Speaker 1: look bigger, and then maybe people will look at you better.
Speaker 3: I don't know whatever it is they are trying to
Speaker 3: sell us this, and we are believing that some of
Speaker 3: these things can get us what we want. Some of
Speaker 3: that has to do with the fact that many of
Speaker 3: us have solved our problems by spending money.
Speaker 4: It might not have been the.
Speaker 3: Best, most efficient, or yeah, there could have been other
Speaker 3: ways that we solve our problems, but we are accustomed
Speaker 3: to that. So usually if we see an ad for
Speaker 3: something promising us something that we think even subconsciously is missing,
Speaker 3: that's easier than picking up the phone and calling a
Speaker 3: friend and being vulnerable. Right, And we're don't even consciously
Speaker 3: know that. Some of this takes us processing through these items,
Speaker 3: being aware of what our needs are, being able to
Speaker 3: hit the nail on the head with our needs, because
Speaker 3: otherwise we're grasping at straws impulsively spending it's not actually
Speaker 3: meeting our need. We're left feeling maybe guilty, shameful, disappointed
Speaker 3: in ourselves, not really loving the purchase that we just made,
Speaker 3: wondering where all of our money went. And the thing
Speaker 3: goes round and round, and it's why we're describing this
Speaker 3: ideology as really helpful for being able to understand what's
Speaker 3: going on internally so that we can make really confident
Speaker 3: external spending decisions when we can recognize our needs are there,
Speaker 3: they're not going away, and our needs are good. But
Speaker 3: the way that we get after these needs and how
Speaker 3: we spend around our needs oftentimes can be tweaked, and
Speaker 3: it is possible to get better at it because spending
Speaker 3: is a skill.
Speaker 1: So now that we've defined what values are, let's think
Speaker 1: about finding out what we value. Because these four f's
Speaker 1: are going to be you're going to show up differently
Speaker 1: in each one. If your super religious person, faith is
Speaker 1: going to be very high on your values list. If
Speaker 1: you don't see yourself as a religious person, then maybe
Speaker 1: your faith practice is through you know, hiking, meditation, traveling,
Speaker 1: it's going to be kind of less often, it's lower
Speaker 1: on the list. All of them are on the list, though,
Speaker 1: just you have to figure out how they are on
Speaker 1: the list for you, and that comes we think through
Speaker 1: asking yourself better questions. I tend to ask myself a
Speaker 1: lot of questions about especially postpartum, and that I am
Speaker 1: like still you know, I've got that body dysmorphia of
Speaker 1: the early two thousands, right, and it hasn't gone away
Speaker 1: with every child I've had, So like, I will sometimes
Speaker 1: ask myself questions like why did I eat that? If
Speaker 1: I know, like it's not in my meal plan? Why
Speaker 1: did I go out to eat? I had food at home?
Speaker 1: Why I'm asking these questions in a judgmental way and
Speaker 1: not in a curious Wayment breeds shame, It breeds guilt.
Speaker 1: Curiosity breeds knowledge and discovery. And that's what we want
Speaker 1: to go into a exploration of values with is you?
Speaker 1: Because you can value anything. There's nothing bad to value,
Speaker 1: unless maybe you value like doing bad things to people.
Speaker 1: Don't value that, don't value that. Change your value, change
Speaker 1: change your values. That's the only time we'll say, change
Speaker 1: your values. But like, most of the time, you can
Speaker 1: value anything. But sometimes what we value is not valued
Speaker 1: by the people around us, or the people on the internet,
Speaker 1: or the people we respect and want to be like,
Speaker 1: and so we feel we don't want to value that
Speaker 1: stuff Like I I don't value going to like sit
Speaker 1: down restaurants a lot, like I, but everybody around me
Speaker 1: is a foodie, and so I feel like, oh, that
Speaker 1: should be my reward for doing something good, or like
Speaker 1: I should value that more highly. On a I value
Speaker 1: Chipotle because I don't have to cook and I don't
Speaker 1: have to do dishes, like that's my value. But I
Speaker 1: also then seem really lame to some people who may
Speaker 1: have higher food tastes than me. I was, but I
Speaker 1: was just reading about a guy, an NFL player, who
Speaker 1: has eaten Chipotle every day for the last ten years,
Speaker 1: and I was like, that's my guy. I don't know
Speaker 1: that guy, but that's my guy.
Speaker 4: And he's cool. He's not lame. I don't think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know a lot about sports. I don't
Speaker 1: know a lot of football players either, but he seems cool.
Speaker 1: So it's being like honest with yourself and asking yourself
Speaker 1: questions from a place of curiosity, no judgment, and just
Speaker 1: really trying to learn who, who am I? What do
Speaker 1: I love?
Speaker 3: And one of the ways that we can do that
Speaker 3: is by avoiding the why question. Not that there's anything
Speaker 3: wrong with why. It can be incorporated into our language,
Speaker 3: but not right now, not at this point of practicing curiosity.
Speaker 3: It is better to ask ourselves what how when? When
Speaker 3: we're trying to get to some of the core of
Speaker 3: our habits, our decisions, the things that are a little
Speaker 3: bit on autopilot. So for that example that you just gave,
Speaker 3: you know, why why am I what was it coffee?
Speaker 4: Why am I?
Speaker 1: Why I never.
Speaker 4: Coffee?
Speaker 1: It's like, why am I? Why am I getting take
Speaker 1: out when I have food prepared at home?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Instead of why did I do this? Why am I
Speaker 3: doing this? I have a solution. What is it about
Speaker 3: takeout that this is serving me right now? Right Such
Speaker 3: a different lens on it. One puts us in a
Speaker 3: posture of defense and shame, and the other is, oh,
Speaker 3: I guess I could dig deeper here. Maybe it's that
Speaker 3: I'm tired, it's Wednesday, Jen is tired or well.
Speaker 1: When I answered that question for me, it was I
Speaker 1: wanted to get takeout actually because it was it sounded
Speaker 1: better to me than the food I had prepared at home.
Speaker 1: I had this like not I had this very healthy
Speaker 1: meal like prepped at home, but that just didn't sound
Speaker 1: delicious to me, and I wanted something delicious. So that
Speaker 1: kind of changed the way I prepped food. It wasn't
Speaker 1: the healthiest it could be, but it was food that
Speaker 1: made me want to eat it. Or at least want
Speaker 1: like it was good enough to want to eat without
Speaker 1: going through the hassle of takeout.
Speaker 3: Yeah and that yeah, that's that's a helpful example. But
Speaker 3: with this practicing of curiosity is something that we can
Speaker 3: do throughout our entire lives, any aspect of our lives,
Speaker 3: not just our finances. But we want to take this
Speaker 3: lens with us into our action step. We finally got there. Yes,
Speaker 3: halfway through the episode.
Speaker 4: We're ready to give you an.
Speaker 1: I've given just some like really like heavy action steps
Speaker 1: so far, because sometimes this is not like figuring out
Speaker 1: what you value and where you want to show up
Speaker 1: for it, and sometimes realizing gosh, I haven't I haven't
Speaker 1: been showing up there at all, and it is super
Speaker 1: important for me, Like don't you're hearing it now, Like,
Speaker 1: don't dwell on what you haven't done. Now you can
Speaker 1: focus on what you will do. And so the next something,
Speaker 1: maybe a lighter action step, we'll say, is to do
Speaker 1: a ninety day transaction inventory. And so this is going
Speaker 1: to get you clear on that second, like part of
Speaker 1: what you value is the actual things with a price tag.
Speaker 1: You know, money can't buy love, but I don't you know,
Speaker 1: I'd rather like be alone in a Rolls Royce or something.
Speaker 1: I don't know what the saying is, but there are
Speaker 1: some things that don't have price tags that still take
Speaker 1: money to afford, right, But then there are some things
Speaker 1: that have over at price tags. And we're looking at
Speaker 1: our expenses from the last ninety days. That's going to
Speaker 1: really give you a clear picture on kind of everything
Speaker 1: that could pop up, no surprises, and see what you're
Speaker 1: spending your money on. And I think you should do
Speaker 1: this before you do a budget, like we are trying
Speaker 1: to make these imaginary budgets for imaginary people that don't exist,
Speaker 1: when really we should be looking first what am I
Speaker 1: spending on for the last three months, so then I
Speaker 1: could make a Then you'll be able to make a
Speaker 1: better budget that's easier to stick to moving forward.
Speaker 3: You can also call it a spending plan if that
Speaker 3: lands better with you. Budget or spending plan could be
Speaker 3: used interchangeably. So once you've gathered all of your transactions,
Speaker 3: credit card, bank statements, and this is going to include
Speaker 3: quote unquote fixed expenses, right what you're paying on your
Speaker 3: lodging and food and transportation and your bills. Everything's included
Speaker 3: because everything can be questioned and shifted if need be,
Speaker 3: but this is going to really give a good overview
Speaker 3: of your spending decisions and where you're spending skill set
Speaker 3: currently lies. And we also like to then have another
Speaker 3: column next to this when we've got it, whether you
Speaker 3: have it on a spreadsheet or you've printed it all out,
Speaker 3: to go through each of these transactions and to the
Speaker 3: best of your recollection, write down what was happening. Then
Speaker 3: what was the circumstances that transpired just before or during
Speaker 3: that led to the spending decision. You're not going to
Speaker 3: remember all of them, but you'll start to potentially see
Speaker 3: some recurring patterns in your spending and that will be
Speaker 3: really indicative of some habits that you may have, the
Speaker 3: typical spending decisions that you make, maybe even what triggers
Speaker 3: some of these spending, whether it is, you know, an
Speaker 3: emotional experience, whether it's a celebration, whether it's you're feeling down,
Speaker 3: whether it's just I'm just on my way home from
Speaker 3: work and this is what I do every day. I
Speaker 3: swing through this drive through, you'll start to see where
Speaker 3: you're spending and from there you'll be able to identify
Speaker 3: how did I feel about that transaction. Did I like
Speaker 3: that I spent on that? Do I not like that
Speaker 3: I spent on that? Did that give me what I
Speaker 3: thought that I wanted in that moment? And will really
Speaker 3: start to be able to incorporate where do our needs
Speaker 3: and values that Maslow's hierarchy of needs intersect here? What
Speaker 3: was I seeking to fulfill with these transactions? Sometimes it's
Speaker 3: just food. Sometimes it's just I was just hungry and
Speaker 3: I got food. Okay, we don't need to really dive
Speaker 3: deep into all of this forever an eternity, but some
Speaker 3: of it will start to reveal. Oh, Okay, here's what
Speaker 3: I do when I'm feeling stressed. There's what I spend on.
Speaker 3: Here is where I am more likely to spend impulsively
Speaker 3: is when I'm up in the night scrolling my phone. Right,
Speaker 3: we can start to identify what some of these triggers are,
Speaker 3: which will then help to inform the spending plan that
Speaker 3: we create. We're not there yet, but learning more about
Speaker 3: ourselves is going to be really helpful, and this is
Speaker 3: the best way to do that, to just look at
Speaker 3: it with that lens of curiosity, that non shaming. What
Speaker 3: was it about this purchase that I was interested in
Speaker 3: did it fulfill that? And then we can decide if
Speaker 3: it didn't, Oh, what shifts would I want to make
Speaker 3: in the future when I'm feeling stressed, when I'm feeling celebratory,
Speaker 3: when I'm feeling tired.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so this is just the first section of
Speaker 1: the book, you guys. And we actually had to add
Speaker 1: an extra chapter, I think, kind of almost while we
Speaker 1: were writing the book. We added a chapter after this
Speaker 1: about honoring your season because you won't be able to
Speaker 1: value the same things at the same capacity your whole life.
Speaker 1: As I have had my second child, my prioritization for
Speaker 1: friendships has really fallen off, right, and that's sad, but
Speaker 1: I recognize that so that I can be intentional in
Speaker 1: investing there when I do have the you know, the
Speaker 1: capacity within my season. And that is a fantastic chapter
Speaker 1: that I'm so glad we had it. It was hard to
Speaker 1: get to. I think it was the hardest chapter to
Speaker 1: write in the whole book because it had so much nuance, right, like,
Speaker 1: how do you help somebody figure out what kind of
Speaker 1: season they're in and the capacity for focusing on their spending,
Speaker 1: you know? And then also you you'll never be able
Speaker 1: to afford well maybe unless you're uber wealthy, you probably
Speaker 1: won't be able to afford everything you value in the
Speaker 1: capacity you want at the same time, so like, how
Speaker 1: do you prioritize? But it was al of love to
Speaker 1: get that chapter in, and we just we hope that
Speaker 1: you will you will get the book because after this,
Speaker 1: you know, first section we also cover how to say
Speaker 1: no to what you don't value, and then how to
Speaker 1: incorporate that lifestyle. But I really hope that starting this
Speaker 1: conversation has maybe inspired you to start looking at because
Speaker 1: we still have a few months before the book comes out,
Speaker 1: even if you pre ordered it today, I hope that
Speaker 1: you can just start to shift your mindset in the
Speaker 1: next couple months to when you spend money, viewing it
Speaker 1: as a skill, not a success or a failure. Because
Speaker 1: so much of spending is around you know, if I
Speaker 1: spend money, I'm failing at money. If I don't spend money,
Speaker 1: I'm succeeding. And that is false. Everyone spends, everyone saves.
Speaker 1: You can always become a better spender. You can always
Speaker 1: become a better saver, because it is a skill. Then
Speaker 1: and really diving into Okay, well, if this is a skill,
Speaker 1: how do I get better at it in a way
Speaker 1: that looks better for me, not for the people around me.
Speaker 3: And if what we really value is those four f's,
Speaker 3: we can meet those needs without spending money. Right, being
Speaker 3: able to afford more of what we love is some
Speaker 3: of this we can just get for free. All of
Speaker 3: us can afford free if we're aimed at the core
Speaker 3: of what we really value and being a little bit
Speaker 3: more aware of what need am I trying to meet
Speaker 3: with this purchase? Are there other ways that I can
Speaker 3: do that? There's so much more that we'll give you
Speaker 3: in this podcast, and we'll give you in the book
Speaker 3: on that. But again laying that precursor that these are
Speaker 3: things you can begin working on is just practicing curiosity,
Speaker 3: being aware of what's behind your spending, what need you
Speaker 3: might be trying to meet, and you will have an
Speaker 3: excellent foundation for then what's to come, and learning for
Speaker 3: yourself how to afford more of the things that you.
Speaker 1: You know, what is a great foundation. Whether you have
Speaker 1: been with us since our Corporate Value days or this
Speaker 1: is your first time leaning in the bill of the.
Speaker 5: Week, that's right, it's time for the best minute of
Speaker 5: your entire week. Maybe a baby was born and his
Speaker 5: name is Williams. Maybe you paid off your mortgage, maybe
Speaker 5: your car died, and you're happy to not have to
Speaker 5: pay that bill anymore. Dust bills, buffalo bills, Bill Clinton,
Speaker 5: This is the bill of the week.
Speaker 6: Hi, frugal friends. My name is Jesse. My bill the
Speaker 6: week is a bill I do not have to pay.
Speaker 6: I got a bill from my dentist for floride Treeman,
Speaker 6: which I did not receive. So I called and asked them,
Speaker 6: and so I am not having to pay forty seven dollars.
Speaker 6: Never heard to call and ask. Thanks for your podcast.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 1: Bye ooh Jesse. Fifty bucks for floor eyd? What are
Speaker 1: these dentists doing? I remember the good old days when
Speaker 1: slapping some fluoride on your teeth costs twenty bucks.
Speaker 4: My dentists just did it for free for me. Recently.
Speaker 4: I went in. She's like, do you have insurance?
Speaker 3: And like no. She's like, you would really benefit from
Speaker 3: flooride and I'm like, well how much is it?
Speaker 4: I think it was gonna be like ninety nine dollars.
Speaker 4: I'm like no, thanks.
Speaker 3: She's like, oh okay, well something's gonna happen right now.
Speaker 3: So she did ask would you want this. I'm like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna pay for it. And she was like, well,
Speaker 3: then something's gonna happen. But if they ask you at
Speaker 3: the front desk, if you got floride, just tell them no.
Speaker 3: Thankfully they didn't ask. She didn't make a liar out
Speaker 3: of me. But I'm so glad that Jesse, you didn't.
Speaker 3: You didn't get the floor, eyde, but they were. They
Speaker 3: were trying to charge you, and you caught it. And
Speaker 3: that that only happens when you're looking at your bill,
Speaker 3: like looking at your ninety day transaction inventory, that's just
Speaker 3: a side piece that might be helpful. You could find
Speaker 3: transactions that you didn't make and get some money back.
Speaker 1: You could find a bill that you're paying twice for.
Speaker 1: I can't tell how. I can't tell you how many
Speaker 1: people are paying for two Spotify accounts, two Disney plus
Speaker 1: accounts to this, to that and didn't even know it
Speaker 1: because the other person, like in your family signed up.
Speaker 1: And yeah, you could find that it is very common.
Speaker 3: Well, thanks Jesse for calling in your bill. If you
Speaker 3: all are listening and you've got a bill that was
Speaker 3: erroneous and you got it taken off, or a bill
Speaker 3: you don't mind paying or you're billing people, whether it's
Speaker 3: erroneous or not.
Speaker 4: I mean, we'll hear it.
Speaker 3: Frualfriendspodcast dot com slash bill to leave us your bill.
Speaker 3: We're so excited and now it's time for.
Speaker 1: The lightning round. All right. What's a simple luxury? You
Speaker 1: love to splurgeon? And what do you do when you
Speaker 1: can't afford it? My simple luxury? Disney, Oh, simple luxury.
Speaker 4: That's luxury.
Speaker 1: It is simple luxury. I love run Disney, I love
Speaker 1: doing Disney half marathons. I love going to Disney World.
Speaker 1: I most recently went to Disney World last year with well,
Speaker 1: I've done several Disney races, but I've actually loved January
Speaker 1: of twenty twenty three. I think maybe was the was
Speaker 1: that the last time I went into Disney World. No, well, okay,
Speaker 1: I went into Epcot after the Wine and Dine half
Speaker 1: marathon in November, but the last time I went without
Speaker 1: a race was January of twenty twenty three, and I'm
Speaker 1: actually going this weekend. Yeah. Shout out to Alison Baggerley
Speaker 1: over aspired budget. Caroline Bensel. We took a girls trip
Speaker 1: to the World in that was January I was pregnant. No, no,
Speaker 1: no, no twenty twenty.
Speaker 4: Three, twenty twenty three or twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 4: This was twenty twenty four. I went a year and
Speaker 4: a half.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I've I've done several Disney where I've done
Speaker 1: two Disney races, So I've been like to Disney. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I went to the Wine and Dine half marathon
Speaker 1: like after party where I got to like ride rides
Speaker 1: at Epcot. But when I went in April, I just
Speaker 1: went to like Disney Springs and like the hotel with
Speaker 1: my friends.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, second half of the question, what do you
Speaker 3: do when you can't afford it?
Speaker 1: I'll let you know. I'm just kidding. So that's why
Speaker 1: I haven't been like on a leisure trip since January
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three.
Speaker 4: Like, I don't go.
Speaker 1: I had a baby in March twenty twenty three, and
Speaker 1: he has been more expensive than my first and I
Speaker 1: just don't go. And so the only reason we're going
Speaker 1: this weekend is my mom. She got a little little
Speaker 1: lump sum and she's using part of it to treat
Speaker 1: us to a Disney weekend.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what do you fulfill that with? Though?
Speaker 3: Because if we're talking like how to afford what you love? Okay,
Speaker 3: it's not just deprivation. Sometimes it is sacrifice. But when
Speaker 3: you can't in that year and a half that you
Speaker 3: couldn't go, were there other things that you did that
Speaker 3: were like satisfying or adjacent to this?
Speaker 1: So the Disney races are I guess, in total, less
Speaker 1: expensive than a full family Disney vacation. So it's a
Speaker 1: little bit of a compromise. But I think sometimes watching
Speaker 1: Disney videos on YouTube.
Speaker 3: That's what I was going to say that on your
Speaker 3: behalf you enjoy watching me?
Speaker 1: Do you enjoy shout out to Molly at Mammoth Club.
Speaker 1: I love watching her videos. So but I'm not like obsessive.
Speaker 4: I would I don't know.
Speaker 1: I would call myself a Disney adult, but I think
Speaker 1: Disney adults would look at me and be like, you're
Speaker 1: not a Disney adult. But like Grabble people look at
Speaker 1: me and they're like, you're a Disney adult. So I'm
Speaker 1: somewhere in the radical middle.
Speaker 4: So you, Jill, I, there's a lot of things that
Speaker 4: I enjoy, but you are a.
Speaker 1: Simple luxury most you might be.
Speaker 4: I'm an almond. I'm simple. I'm not a marcona almond.
Speaker 4: I'm just an almond. Okay.
Speaker 3: One of them for me is going out to eat.
Speaker 3: I think this is the easiest one to describe, and
Speaker 3: I think at various seasons of life that has been
Speaker 3: more available makes more sense for us than others. We are,
Speaker 3: certainly more recently in a season where we can't go
Speaker 3: out to eat as often. That doesn't mean we never
Speaker 3: do it, right, I am not about deprivation.
Speaker 4: But we go out one so weak. But even then
Speaker 4: it might not be a sit down restaurant.
Speaker 3: So here's kind of I'll more so describe the ways
Speaker 3: that I get at what I enjoy without necessarily hemorrhaging money.
Speaker 3: So we've not been doing as many sit down restaurants.
Speaker 3: So usually sit down restaurants, the price of food is
Speaker 3: just a little higher. You're also, you know, doing the
Speaker 3: twenty percent tip or more, whereas if we are able
Speaker 3: to go to like counter service, and it's more like
Speaker 3: a ten to fifteen percent tip and less expensive items
Speaker 3: like we've been enjoying some of our your like I
Speaker 3: don't tip a chipotlet, your cava, your Chipotle. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: we did do, I know, don't get us a one
Speaker 3: star for that. Technically for tipping, don't fit does say
Speaker 3: that for counter service you do not have to tip.
Speaker 4: You absolutely can choose to. We're getting off on a.
Speaker 3: Different subject here, but then I'm just cooking at home
Speaker 3: a lot more. But one of the things that can
Speaker 3: I try and find new ways to get excited about
Speaker 3: eating at home. Sometimes it includes going to like the
Speaker 3: local Italian market to get some fun ingredients and do
Speaker 3: some fun things like that. Or I'll just get pre
Speaker 3: prepared meals from Trader Joe's or that Italian market to
Speaker 3: just spice it up a little bit throughout the week,
Speaker 3: allow myself an option if I am feeling tired, I
Speaker 3: don't feel like cooking. But I've also been really enjoying
Speaker 3: following like Instagram accounts of people who cook and finding
Speaker 3: inspirational recipes. I usually try a new recipe once a week.
Speaker 3: I know that not everyone's season can afford that, and
Speaker 3: that's totally fine, but it's what's getting me excited about that.
Speaker 3: So usually trying different grocery stores, trying different recipes, having
Speaker 3: frozen foods that just sound really tasty. Always bread and
Speaker 3: butter in the fridge. You always got bread and butter,
Speaker 3: and that sounds ummy to me. Love bread, so I
Speaker 3: can still I can still afford the thing that I love,
Speaker 3: which I think ultimately is good food. Yeah, and it
Speaker 3: doesn't always have to mean that I'm spending like seventy
Speaker 3: dollars on a meal out out.
Speaker 1: Something we didn't talk about in this episode that we
Speaker 1: cover extensively in the first part of the book is
Speaker 1: the radical midle is that you can find a lot
Speaker 1: of the times what you value is going to be
Speaker 1: in the radical medal. So maybe it's not going out
Speaker 1: to eat a lot, but it's also not like making
Speaker 1: just bad food all the time. It's going to the
Speaker 1: Italian market and picking up a lasagna. It's cheaper than
Speaker 1: a lasagna you'd get from a restaurant, but just as good,
Speaker 1: and you're eating it at home. That's the radical middle.
Speaker 3: Yep, they're having friends over to enjoy it with you,
Speaker 3: so you're still getting that interaction with other people.
Speaker 1: So yeah, thank you for listening. We hope that you
Speaker 1: are inspired to take a deeper look into what you value.
Speaker 1: We hope that you will pre order Buy what you
Speaker 1: Love without going broke. You can do that at buy
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Speaker 1: May Gorugle Friends is produced by Eric Sirianni.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Speaking of trying new recipes and cooking at home, I
Speaker 3: made a new recipe last night.
Speaker 1: I made a new recipe I want to talk about too,
Speaker 1: but you go first.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: Mine was okay, beef barbacoa because two months ago Eric
Speaker 3: and I went on a meat meat meat meat meat
Speaker 3: meat hunting.
Speaker 4: And gathering meat.
Speaker 1: We just got me.
Speaker 4: We got a ton of meat.
Speaker 3: We went to Sam's Club because Frugal Friends has a
Speaker 3: Sam's Club subscription, so Jen and I share the Sam's
Speaker 3: Club membership, and so Eric and I went one night.
Speaker 3: We got our hot dog dinner, which is fantastic dollar lefty,
Speaker 3: and then got a bunch of meat because Sam's Club
Speaker 3: is good for that is good pricing.
Speaker 1: They raised their prices on the organic chicken breast.
Speaker 4: Sang at the time.
Speaker 3: I got like everything that I could possibly think that
Speaker 3: I might want.
Speaker 4: I think only I spent.
Speaker 3: Like one hundred and fifty bucks meat Still not I
Speaker 3: have not bought me in two months and I still
Speaker 3: have more in the freezer, so like we did good.
Speaker 3: But during this time, I was like, I'm so accustomed
Speaker 3: to buying the same types of meat. I want to
Speaker 3: try something new. So I got a bottom round. I
Speaker 3: don't know why, but it is funny to make. I
Speaker 3: got a beef bottom round, and I'm like, I don't
Speaker 3: know what I'm gonna do with this, but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I got a big old bottom round. And so one
Speaker 3: of the recipes that I found was for beef barbacoa
Speaker 3: in the instant pot. So this is doing double duty
Speaker 3: for me.
Speaker 1: Bill a pressure cooker.
Speaker 4: No, I have had a pressure.
Speaker 3: Cooker gifted to me by my mom, like Jen six
Speaker 3: years ago.
Speaker 1: I can't believe that you still have it in your possession.
Speaker 1: It shocks me.
Speaker 3: I know, because I have thinking this would be good
Speaker 3: to cook in in the summertime, not have the oven on,
Speaker 3: not have the stove on. Oh, but also like other
Speaker 3: people have used it, and so I'm like, all right,
Speaker 3: this works.
Speaker 4: I have the space to store it.
Speaker 3: So I have never, ever, never have I ever used
Speaker 3: my instant pot on my own until yesterday, Like it's
Speaker 3: always been a under the supervision of another person, and
Speaker 3: when I'm just like, I don't know.
Speaker 4: How to use it, but if you want to go ahead.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm over here making spaghetti in my pressure cooker
Speaker 1: because I love it so much, and Jill judges me.
Speaker 4: And I never totally understood it.
Speaker 3: It was still kind of a weird experience to have
Speaker 3: to tell you the stuff ahead of time. I'm like
Speaker 3: cooking on my island and steam is not below the
Speaker 3: hood of the oven.
Speaker 4: I could have moved it.
Speaker 3: Whatever, it was a weird experience. It was a new experience.
Speaker 3: I did not die. No one else died. We didn't
Speaker 3: even get injured. It did scare me. It did like,
Speaker 3: you know, you gotta you gotta poke it for the
Speaker 3: quick release, and I did scream a little.
Speaker 4: I used to spoon because watch it. You do not.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that's so dangerous.
Speaker 1: I mean not if you do it right.
Speaker 4: Okay, Wow, I've never been I've not never have I
Speaker 4: ever gotten to that point.
Speaker 1: I have no more fear anything.
Speaker 4: And you know, maybe I would use it again. The
Speaker 4: beef barbacoa. It turned out like it. It turned out, yeah,
Speaker 4: so tried something left over. We'll see what we do
Speaker 4: with it.
Speaker 1: Good thank you I made. I went on a like
Speaker 1: a beans not a beans chicken and rice kick for
Speaker 1: so long. Travis was like, and he can eat anything,
Speaker 1: and he's like, can we have something that's not chicken
Speaker 1: and rice and so, which means I made three chicken
Speaker 1: and rice dishes in a row. Like it was. It
Speaker 1: was bad. Yeah, So I went to al d and
Speaker 1: got a surloin and cut that up and some potatoes
Speaker 1: and I actually made a coppycat fiesta potatoes from Taco
Speaker 1: bell and instead of sour cream, I used a Greek
Speaker 1: yogurt and I just mixed in some Chipotle peppers. I
Speaker 1: I'll get the can of Chipotle's in a dobo and
Speaker 1: like blend it and then freeze it. So I already
Speaker 1: had that that I just like mixed with some Greek
Speaker 1: yogurt and I bought some just like Queso dip and
Speaker 1: put those on top of the potato and then topped
Speaker 1: it with steak.
Speaker 4: Why steak?
Speaker 1: It was so good.
Speaker 4: That sounds so yummy.
Speaker 3: And there's a great example of like something that just
Speaker 3: sounded really tasty to you. Yeah, maybe not the healthiest meal,
Speaker 3: but we don't have to get health and money savings
Speaker 3: with every single meal all the time.
Speaker 1: That the only I mean it was just potatoes coated
Speaker 1: in a little flour and cornstarch with ther cheese and
Speaker 1: then cheese, but I had Greek yogurt and then I
Speaker 1: actually for myself, I toasted some kale and put that
Speaker 1: with it too, because I love kale. So mine was
Speaker 1: actually pretty healthy, like it just had it. I didn't
Speaker 1: douse it with the queso.
Speaker 4: But yeah, to get that recipe for me, that sounds
Speaker 4: so yummy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 4: I love potatoes.
Speaker 1: It was you do you do potato? You made a
Speaker 1: recipe I would make, and I made a recipe you
Speaker 1: would make that.
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Speaker 1: Yikes.
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