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Speaker 3: Welcome in everybody, as we've got our full cast and
Speaker 3: crew ready for you to rock today. We've got Patrick
Speaker 3: noc Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Hi, Isaiah stand back, Chris Beam
Speaker 3: in the back of Kyle Yeoman's Glad you're with us.
Speaker 4: We are all back in the building. That's right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, took a little bit of time, made a couple
Speaker 3: of trips, kind of went back and forth.
Speaker 5: I want you to let everybody know we're back up.
Speaker 4: We are so bad now did you have a first
Speaker 4: class seat?
Speaker 6: Call?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 3: Funny story. Funny story, not like the Isaiah tandem. Whenever
Speaker 3: he decided to leave us in coach, I told my
Speaker 3: friends that I was going to upgrade the first and
Speaker 3: I did, and I upgraded a first class on the
Speaker 3: way back. You know what happened though, The Cowboys hired
Speaker 3: a head coach and we had to change our flight
Speaker 3: to get there, change the one on the way back.
Speaker 4: But I lost the seat upgrade and they threw me
Speaker 4: in the middle seat. Yeah it sucked. Oh it was awful.
Speaker 4: It was such a pain.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was literally one A. I've never flown first
Speaker 3: class in my life. The closest thing the first class
Speaker 3: is when we're on the charter, and that is definitely
Speaker 3: not first class.
Speaker 4: Wow, but I've never done it in my life. I
Speaker 4: was so excited. I was like, let me, let me
Speaker 4: just splurge a little bit.
Speaker 7: You have to put your bag up the top though,
Speaker 7: traveling a lot. Yeah, you can't have the laptop out
Speaker 7: until you know you take off.
Speaker 4: It's a whole nother thing. American, do the right thing.
Speaker 1: It was all.
Speaker 7: Right, double a, do the right thing. Put my guy,
Speaker 7: put put him in first class, Get him out of the middle.
Speaker 3: Show too broad for the middle, too broad, too broadic,
Speaker 3: kind of like Eddie George in the booth here that is, there's.
Speaker 7: Some people that you growing up playing football right, You're like,
Speaker 7: you have a high regard for you respect their game
Speaker 7: of course, right, Like they've done some amazing things. They
Speaker 7: seem like good people. You know, he played with you know,
Speaker 7: seeing me may or some legends, things like that. He
Speaker 7: does some amazing things as a as a player. Talking
Speaker 7: about Eddie George, that is yeah, but when you see
Speaker 7: some people in person, you have to try to comprehend
Speaker 7: the challenges that were being handed down to defenders that
Speaker 7: were respond for bringing this man down. Now you hear
Speaker 7: about big running backs and I'm like, Okay, you know,
Speaker 7: I'm not a small guy.
Speaker 8: So I hear about big running back.
Speaker 7: I'm like, ok yeah, they're a little bit smaller than
Speaker 7: me probably whatever, Like that's challenging. Eddie George made me
Speaker 7: want to go to the weight room that evening.
Speaker 8: He came in.
Speaker 5: He still got He came.
Speaker 7: In the booth when I was calling the East West
Speaker 7: Ryne game with the rest of the NFL Network crew,
Speaker 7: and they wanted us all to get into this tight
Speaker 7: shot because the camera that we had up there for
Speaker 7: for that particular shot wasn't necessarily a wide angle, right,
Speaker 7: So it was like, Okay, you guys got a scoot
Speaker 7: scooch together, right and that scoot together, Yeah.
Speaker 4: Just a scoot.
Speaker 7: Do you guys see his shoulders Like, I can't get
Speaker 7: any we can't be shoulder to short.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna have to be behind him.
Speaker 4: You show that picture to that are watching it online.
Speaker 8: Absolutely. For those that are watching online, this is.
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Speaker 7: By the way, as of yesterday, I am six three,
Speaker 7: two hundred and forty nine pounds. As of yesterday we
Speaker 7: started U versus JUNI okay, so two hundred and forty
Speaker 7: nine pounds sixty three Eddie, Eddie's This is Eddie George
Speaker 7: standing right next to me.
Speaker 8: Yes, the ballheaded guy.
Speaker 5: Not only did he play for the Titans, he looks
Speaker 5: like one.
Speaker 8: What his arms crossed?
Speaker 1: Bar?
Speaker 8: What is this?
Speaker 5: He looks like he just won the Royal Rumble.
Speaker 7: This is a yeah, that is ah bro, Come on,
Speaker 7: look at his shoulders and look at my shoulder.
Speaker 1: That's not George, that's Bobby Lashley.
Speaker 4: That's exactly what.
Speaker 1: Look at this.
Speaker 8: Look at I'm looking at him like, bro, like what
Speaker 8: are you? You're a Decepticon.
Speaker 5: That's a big dude.
Speaker 7: It made me want to go do all the push
Speaker 7: ups and all the shoulder shrugs that I could possibly do,
Speaker 7: because I felt so small, Like there's certain people you
Speaker 7: meet we just like, all right, you stand next to Shack,
Speaker 7: You're like, okay, Like that's just genetics, like whatever.
Speaker 8: I can never be that tall.
Speaker 5: I felt the exactually more when I stood next to
Speaker 5: Mickey Paola for the first time and his bike shorts.
Speaker 4: I was like, maybe his bike shirt.
Speaker 5: Like when we're talking about just a your.
Speaker 1: Athlete, I among.
Speaker 5: I had never heard among you. I can't, dude, it's
Speaker 5: a specimen. When it comes, I will.
Speaker 3: The black shorts with the red button pat yea if
Speaker 3: I'm if I'm in his shape.
Speaker 4: When I'm making no age.
Speaker 9: I'm.
Speaker 5: All, that's not the dude. By twenty miles, yeah, training,
Speaker 5: I'm like barely getting up to go. Good breakfast was like,
Speaker 5: what's up, Mickey, He's like, oh, just did twenty miles,
Speaker 5: Like Mickey's a beast. But I felt the same way. Yeah, yeah, yes,
Speaker 5: in awe of a human being, Like I still next.
Speaker 8: To Whitworth Andrew Whitworth.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm supposed to be smaller than him, right, like
Speaker 7: his office a lineman.
Speaker 4: Okay, I just as a tail back.
Speaker 8: This is a running back.
Speaker 7: YEA like like put it, let me put this in perspective, Derek,
Speaker 7: let me put this in perspective.
Speaker 8: Yes, but Derek Henry and I are the exact same size.
Speaker 8: We're both six s three.
Speaker 1: He's in pective, yes, because yes, that means next to
Speaker 1: Derek and exactly and.
Speaker 4: This is like the forty five year old version of him.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Crazy, and it's crazy that we were able to see
Speaker 5: in our lifetimes battles like Ray Lewis versus Eddie Florid. Yeah, yearly,
Speaker 5: I mean.
Speaker 7: Physical, and we talked about how physical the game was.
Speaker 7: Act then obviously there's still football, but it's not as
Speaker 7: physical as it once was.
Speaker 5: And those guys were freakingty thousands clashes lash Bro Glad.
Speaker 7: Of the Titans a good movie, very good.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I want to hear more about the Shrine Bowl,
Speaker 3: and I want to hear more about some of.
Speaker 4: The draft prospects because I know Pat, you were in
Speaker 4: the building as well.
Speaker 1: Building.
Speaker 4: Of course I was out in Mobile for the Senior Bowl.
Speaker 4: We're going to talk. We had it all covered, absolutely,
Speaker 4: we had it all, all.
Speaker 3: Of it, all of it, Baby, We're going to talk
Speaker 3: a little bit more draft. When we get to the
Speaker 3: third segment today, we're going to take your calls in
Speaker 3: the second segment eight eight eight eight five five two
Speaker 3: two ninety seven. We haven't talked to Cowboys Nation in
Speaker 3: a hot minute, so give us a call. Eighty eight
Speaker 3: eight five five two two nine seven. But before we
Speaker 3: get into the phone lines, and I want to hear
Speaker 3: about a little bit of everything.
Speaker 4: The Schottenheim or higher.
Speaker 3: He's your new head coach, uh, the oh see the DC,
Speaker 3: the player, the coaches, whatever it ends up being across
Speaker 3: the way, could even be Miles, Garrett, Cooper Cup, whatever
Speaker 3: ends up being, as they have both seemingly been on
Speaker 3: their way out Cleveland, Browns Uh still on a contract,
Speaker 3: Miles requested a trade from Cleveland, and then apparently Cooper
Speaker 3: Cup releasing that LA is going to trade Cooper Cup.
Speaker 3: So you could ask about those questions too. We can't
Speaker 3: say everything because at.
Speaker 1: Least there's some communication there is at unlikely Luca. But
Speaker 1: you know, okay, I don't want to talk about don't
Speaker 1: want to talk.
Speaker 8: At least those teams. That was a good move. That
Speaker 8: was a good move.
Speaker 4: Stop it don't even close to that. Keep going let's
Speaker 4: I want.
Speaker 3: To update the fans who haven't been keeping a lot tabs.
Speaker 4: Let's run down the list. What do staff look like.
Speaker 1: Right now as we have this conversation, and I'll let
Speaker 1: you know who's confirmed who's not confirmed. So we know
Speaker 1: Brian Schartenheimer's new head coach. Offensive coordinator is going to
Speaker 1: be Clayton Adams from the cart News. Matt Eberflus reuniting
Speaker 1: with the Cowboys, this time as the defensive coordinator. Former
Speaker 1: Cowboy his linebackers coaching, defensive passing game coordinator, special teams
Speaker 1: coordinator replacing Bones Fossil who went to the Tennessee Titans
Speaker 1: is Nick Sorenson, who is bringing that Kyle Shanahan tea
Speaker 1: into the building. I can't get enough of that. Yes, sir, Titans,
Speaker 1: we were able to retain lond Well's massive for three
Speaker 1: massive resigning, especially and since the last.
Speaker 3: Time we were on the air, they've also resigned Will McLay.
Speaker 1: The biggest free agent on the Cowboys. We did it, secured,
Speaker 1: we did it everybody, absolutely so Will McClay is still
Speaker 1: in the building. Lowell still in the building. Those two
Speaker 1: names are massive, especially considering you lost Al Harris to
Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears.
Speaker 4: How do we anti clap? Do we poo?
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's a pain him fossil for for me, those.
Speaker 4: Are But congratulate him on the upgrade.
Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, for sure.
Speaker 1: Harris goes up there. He's defensive passing game coordinator and
Speaker 1: you see it. And I spoke with Al and it
Speaker 1: is obviously not just to move up in title, but
Speaker 1: he'll have a little bit more responsibility than even with
Speaker 1: the title dictates. But keep in mind he wasn't able
Speaker 1: to technically coordinate cord anything here in Dallas, So now
Speaker 1: he gets to do that there, which gives him the
Speaker 1: step towards defensive, which then gives him the step to
Speaker 1: becoming a head coach. So shouts out to l Harris
Speaker 1: go up there and kick some buns. Assistant wide receivers
Speaker 1: coach were still looking for the primary wide receivers coach
Speaker 1: lost Robert Prince to the Miami Dolphins. No names have
Speaker 1: been floated yet, but every day that passes along, new
Speaker 1: you know, positional coaches come into the fold. Hell, just
Speaker 1: yesterday we had some more so, but we do have
Speaker 1: a reported interview Taekwan Underwood, formerly of the New England Patriots,
Speaker 1: as the assistant white receivers coach. We'll see if that lands,
Speaker 1: but the expectation is that it will keep an eye.
Speaker 5: On that best hair and coaching staff. Yeah, you would
Speaker 5: easily win the best.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we be.
Speaker 8: So how can you hire an assistant before having before.
Speaker 1: Having lists unless you know who's going to who's going
Speaker 1: to be and we just don't know yet we uh huh.
Speaker 4: So there you go.
Speaker 1: As we talked about on the show before when people
Speaker 1: were arguing front runners, how do you know what.
Speaker 4: Is the front runner?
Speaker 7: Because the super coach would be the one who would
Speaker 7: most likely most likely who's working alongside him. Right, Sometimes
Speaker 7: I would imagine, yea, if I'm gonna be working.
Speaker 5: Unless you're I don't know, offensive coordinator has a really
Speaker 5: good grasp on what he wants to do. Fair No,
Speaker 5: I'm not here to judge.
Speaker 4: That would be kind of a weird.
Speaker 3: Like you're an assistant, but we know where you're not
Speaker 3: ready to be an actual.
Speaker 1: Wide receivers coach.
Speaker 7: So here's the I would think that their main receiver
Speaker 7: coach would have a say in who's going to be
Speaker 7: his assistant.
Speaker 1: It's possible that.
Speaker 5: We got Willbi play man.
Speaker 4: What are you worried about.
Speaker 5: What are you worried about?
Speaker 1: You got what you wanted possible. They already know, all right,
Speaker 1: So we're waiting for wide receivers coach to running backs
Speaker 1: coach to land No, we got running backs coach. So
Speaker 1: running backs coach planned it yesterday. As matter of fact.
Speaker 1: Derek Foster a right, Derek Foster, formerly of the New
Speaker 1: Orleans Saints. Also his tenure extended back to Los Angeles
Speaker 1: Chargers with the peak Austin Eckler days. So you basically
Speaker 1: see what he's going to bring to the table. He
Speaker 1: likes running backs who can also do damage as receivers
Speaker 1: out of the backfield. Alvin Kamara, Austin Eckler, Do we
Speaker 1: have one of those right now?
Speaker 8: Yeah, he's on the roster.
Speaker 1: I know where your face is going.
Speaker 4: So there's that guy that's on the roster. Guy that
Speaker 4: were a dues in college. So my old my old
Speaker 4: teammate wasn't willing to take a pay cut.
Speaker 8: I'm not mad at Not only was.
Speaker 1: He not willing to take a pay cut, they threw
Speaker 1: him a bag.
Speaker 4: Well he's making a back.
Speaker 1: Well he was making a bag. You talk about the
Speaker 1: sharp yes, so he was making a bag and reports
Speaker 1: are that they the bag an eight hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 1: rais a year. So not only college, they more than
Speaker 1: doubled his salary to stay.
Speaker 5: It just threw money at the problem.
Speaker 4: Samples in Oregon also got a raise seven hundred. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so I'm sorry, what was it?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, a position coach college.
Speaker 1: Yes, he's making m yeah one point five yeah, one
Speaker 1: point five.
Speaker 3: Well no, no, no, I think it's too eight hundred.
Speaker 3: I think salary is church church choice, choice, our choice.
Speaker 4: That's not true.
Speaker 1: What what's not true? What's the number?
Speaker 4: It's over nine, it's over nice.
Speaker 1: So he still got the pay raise he did, So
Speaker 1: that's my point. Not only did he not take a packup,
Speaker 1: but he gott raised on a bigger bag to stay.
Speaker 4: So he got an eight hundred thousand dollars raise.
Speaker 8: No ready making, he was ready making.
Speaker 1: He's already making seven, he's making more.
Speaker 4: He's making now I am and he has a bier shot.
Speaker 4: So yeah, changing my professional.
Speaker 10: You got to.
Speaker 1: I haven't done it yet.
Speaker 4: So about this, he doesn't have to recruit anymore.
Speaker 3: Oh and he doesn't have those in general now, in
Speaker 3: general at Texas, you don't have to recruit it's like
Speaker 3: how much.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, we'll give you this. You want to come in.
Speaker 1: Oh you're talking n il nil stuff.
Speaker 4: Now, it's just like spoke like a true Baylor. Well
Speaker 4: so it was a little salty back there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So Derek Foster is budget, right, Derek Foster. Derrek
Speaker 1: Foster is not exactly consolation prize. So good stuff there
Speaker 1: waiting for quarterbacks coaching land that's vacant. Now flipping to
Speaker 1: the defensive side of the ball, that started to come
Speaker 1: together a lot more quickly because ebra flues got into
Speaker 1: the building before Clayton Adams got into the building. So
Speaker 1: defensive line Aaron Whitecott and from the Jets love it.
Speaker 1: The Jets tried everything to try to keep him in
Speaker 1: New York. Go and look at you know, New York
Speaker 1: Jets Nation, and you'll see that they were pissed that
Speaker 1: they lost Whitecott. And so you should be really thrilled
Speaker 1: that you have Whitecott, absolutely Whitecott on black history. Dave Ganzi.
Speaker 1: Ganzi is back in the bid and a lot of
Speaker 1: Cowboys fans don't know that Bragunzi actually had a short
Speaker 1: stay with the Cowboys as an assistant. Yeah, he did
Speaker 1: a year. Yeah about about a season. He did double duty.
Speaker 1: He was assistant for both the offense and the defense,
Speaker 1: so that kind of helped launch his coaching career. So
Speaker 1: he's back. He spent time with iber Flus in Chicago
Speaker 1: as well as did defensive pass game coordinator Andrew I'm sir,
Speaker 1: Andre Curtis. He'll be in the building more or less
Speaker 1: working with David Overstreet, who is the cornerbacks coach. But
Speaker 1: look at Curtis and Overstreet. It's kind of like a
Speaker 1: two for to fill with Al Harris, which you lose
Speaker 1: with Al Harris. Right. Harris was defensive backs coach but
Speaker 1: also assistant head coach, so you're getting double duties there,
Speaker 1: But you know you still have other vacancies assistant offensive line,
Speaker 1: primary offensive line. We know that Clayton Adams is going
Speaker 1: to have a heavy hand in the offensive line coaching,
Speaker 1: but it sounds like, as we have this conversation, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys still want technically an offensive line coach, someone designated
Speaker 1: that as well, waiting for that to Lamb, waiting for
Speaker 1: assistant defensive line to Lamb.
Speaker 5: And you hear a lot of names floating around for
Speaker 5: that position in particular. I don't think that there's anything
Speaker 5: that's nothing.
Speaker 1: That's nailed down. But again, if you're following how now, boys,
Speaker 1: hiring has has been going since Schottenheimer was named. I
Speaker 1: mean every other day, sometimes multiple days in a row,
Speaker 1: a new hiring is landing. Two three, new interviews.
Speaker 4: Trying to knock it all out.
Speaker 1: They're really trying to knock it out. So still some vacancies.
Speaker 1: We know the strength and conditioning team is going to
Speaker 1: stay in the building. Shouts out to Harold Nash, Kendall Smith,
Speaker 1: Cedric Smith, very well deserved Brown Well.
Speaker 5: That one's confirmed confirmed drinking conditions.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, so vacancies are being filled quickly. One, two, three,
Speaker 1: four of us got about six or seven maybe eight,
Speaker 1: not counting the quality control guys. But I suspect what
Speaker 1: are we talking Tuesday? I suspend talking quality control. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I suspect by Monday, I'm going to put in your
Speaker 1: resume real quick.
Speaker 4: I'm going to put I.
Speaker 1: Predict by the end of this week most of the
Speaker 1: staff will be finalized. Okay, I'm pulling an Isaiah.
Speaker 3: How do we feel at it right now? Let's just
Speaker 3: start from a general standpoint. Yes, defensive side of the ball. Matti,
Speaker 3: you've reflus is your head coach. Excuse me, your defensive coordinator.
Speaker 3: Of course, he was the head coach in Chicago prior,
Speaker 3: but was also the linebackers coach in Dallas from twenty
Speaker 3: eleven to twenty seventeen. He's been around the building, returns
Speaker 3: to the building at a higher clip than what he
Speaker 3: had initially when he was here in Dallas.
Speaker 4: I thought, at least out of the two guys that
Speaker 4: I really.
Speaker 3: Wanted Robert Sala or Matti eb Refluse, this is a
Speaker 3: win for Dallas on the defensive side.
Speaker 11: Of the ball.
Speaker 3: It's going to be hard to keep them, at least
Speaker 3: the expectations straight because of what you've had from Dan Quinn,
Speaker 3: what you had last year as a turnaround from Mike
Speaker 3: Zimmer from the beginning of the year to the end
Speaker 3: of the year. I'm interested to see what the expectations are.
Speaker 3: But Josh, what do you think about the h.
Speaker 5: That's going to be tough on the players regardless because
Speaker 5: you have the third year in a row of defensive
Speaker 5: coordinator engines. Yeah, I think that's tough just to begin with,
Speaker 5: it happened from.
Speaker 4: Twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, and twenty twenty one.
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, actually, happens. It happens. But my thing
Speaker 5: here is it was Tommy that kind of like quelled
Speaker 5: my concerns at that point exactly. Well, he was talking about,
Speaker 5: you know, he's not a great head coach candidate. He
Speaker 5: really wasn't, And especially at the Bears, you saw that
Speaker 5: time management was an issue and basically everything outside of
Speaker 5: the defense was an issue for Matt Eberfluss. When I
Speaker 5: saw that name flying around just before it was reported,
Speaker 5: I was like, all right, that sounds like a good thing.
Speaker 5: My thing is like, are the players going to be
Speaker 5: able to connect and relate and buy in to yet
Speaker 5: another defensive scheme? To me, outside looking in, it seems
Speaker 5: like the right choice to make because you know, you
Speaker 5: probably don't bring Mike Zimmer back because he wants to
Speaker 5: retire so reportedly supposedly, So either way, you're gonna have
Speaker 5: a tough decision to make. I think at least with
Speaker 5: this and at least with this one, you have a
Speaker 5: defensive coordinator that is coaching well on defense intoday's football league.
Speaker 5: That to me is most telling about this Higher? Is
Speaker 5: it my favorite higher of the bunch?
Speaker 4: I don't know what is your.
Speaker 5: I know, I know, I know I don't want to.
Speaker 4: It's a Jerry Maddalone special. Yes, ask the follow up.
Speaker 4: You let it out there.
Speaker 5: I know, I know.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 5: Defensive line coach Aaron White Cotton, what event for DC?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 5: No, no, no, I mean sorry, you mean candidate for
Speaker 5: d C. I mean of the higher so far so
Speaker 5: far running backs coach would.
Speaker 1: Be up there. Actually, Derrick Foster.
Speaker 4: You like Foster? I like Foster. Okay, we'll get it
Speaker 4: more into that in a minute. What do you think
Speaker 4: about the flues Higer Isaiah?
Speaker 8: It makes sense.
Speaker 4: You weren't super high on Zim last year when that happened.
Speaker 10: I was not.
Speaker 4: I'm getting a similar feel here.
Speaker 7: I abra Flus has had successful defenses, so I don't.
Speaker 7: I mean, obviously I had my comments in regards to
Speaker 7: I think last time we went on about head coach,
Speaker 7: I didn't feel that he had the presence of a
Speaker 7: head coach, But in terms of a coordinator, that'sked something
Speaker 7: completely different. I have concerns about I guess just my
Speaker 7: own concerns, but my questions revolving around the staff are
Speaker 7: just what is it going to be? The culture, It's
Speaker 7: going to be the energy? Those things matter to me
Speaker 7: when it comes to building a team, and I don't know.
Speaker 7: I mean, there's so much. I don't have a lot
Speaker 7: to say. I hate to say that because I just
Speaker 7: don't know. I really don't. I don't know how many
Speaker 7: people really feel like they do know right now what's
Speaker 7: going to be. I think it's kind of a wait
Speaker 7: and see type of deal. I think to see how
Speaker 7: Schottenheimer is going to what he's going to try to
Speaker 7: instill what what is going to be the reflection of
Speaker 7: the team, you know, when they take the practice field,
Speaker 7: when they take the actual games, Like what what energy
Speaker 7: are you expecting from this team? Is it a what
Speaker 7: do you fear about this team? Is it a preparation?
Speaker 9: Is it there?
Speaker 8: Is it their relentlessness?
Speaker 12: Is it there?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 8: Their big playability? Like what is the identity of these
Speaker 8: this team? And we just don't know.
Speaker 7: We do know that he's capable of calling plays offense.
Speaker 7: We do know that Eberflus is capable of putting together
Speaker 7: a solid defenses. So I mean, you know, I think
Speaker 7: that the biggest higher I haven't learned on the names yet,
Speaker 7: so I apologize. But the office a line coach, I
Speaker 7: think that's major to.
Speaker 5: Me though, A difference between Mike Zimmer last year and
Speaker 5: the higher Last year, Mike Zimmer was taking over a
Speaker 5: defense that was already solidifies. I think at this point
Speaker 5: this year you have some room to grow and to
Speaker 5: kind of change your personnel on defense. I mean, you're
Speaker 5: going to have to anyways, because you're going to lose
Speaker 5: some guys. There's agents, There's no doubt about that. So
Speaker 5: at least Ibraflus has a better shot at it because
Speaker 5: he can actually create the defense that he wants to
Speaker 5: having to just basically use somebody else's defense, which is
Speaker 5: what Mike Zimmer was testing.
Speaker 3: And remember Zimmer said that at the end, he said,
Speaker 3: one of my biggest regret regrets was not having my
Speaker 3: stamp on it early and trying to mold myself to
Speaker 3: what was happening. He said, if I would have started
Speaker 3: doing what I wanted to do earlier, then it might
Speaker 3: have been a different outcome. Who knows, it may not
Speaker 3: have been, it may have been a similar outcome, and whatever.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, the proofs in the pudding that the
Speaker 5: defense at the end of the year was better than
Speaker 5: they were at the beginning.
Speaker 1: I love the return of ebra Flus. He was he
Speaker 1: was second on my list. I wanted Robert Seller as
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. That was a long shot, but it was
Speaker 1: a shot. And credit to them, they took their shot.
Speaker 1: They brought him in, they had to sit down with them.
Speaker 1: I'm giving an interview, was our first interview, right, and
Speaker 1: yes that was for a head coach position, but I
Speaker 1: was I'm told that they also discussed DC as well.
Speaker 1: So they shot their shot. Forty nine Ers came in
Speaker 1: with the you know, familiarity. I was like in the bag.
Speaker 4: I was like, hey, not only do you non head
Speaker 4: coach in the NFL.
Speaker 1: So he did what he needed to do. I'm not
Speaker 1: mad at that. So circling back and getting eber Flus
Speaker 1: for me, it gives you a fantastic balance of two things. One,
Speaker 1: you have just enough familiarity, right, so just enough because
Speaker 1: quite as it's kept. Like Malie Cooker, for example, Melik
Speaker 1: Hooker played on the eber Flus and with the Indianapolis
Speaker 1: coach and he played well on the eba Flu, So
Speaker 1: he's going to be able to help some of these
Speaker 1: guys who haven't played on the ebra Flus kind of
Speaker 1: acclimate to that. If the Cowboys can keep Jordan Lewis.
Speaker 1: For example, I reached out to Jeordian because Jordan played
Speaker 1: under Eva Flus as the past game coordinator. I learned
Speaker 1: some things linebackers coach, but mostly past game coordinator. So
Speaker 1: this is what Jordan Lewis told me, and check out
Speaker 1: the article on the dot com as well. I asked
Speaker 1: him to describe Ebra Flus's vision culture as a defensive
Speaker 1: potential defensive coordinator. He said, and I quote vision defense.
Speaker 1: That's going to be that's going to uh run to
Speaker 1: the ball and tackle hard.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 1: And I asked him, I said so, he said, in
Speaker 1: the front four are going to attack. Then I asked him,
Speaker 1: you know, straight up, how how would you feel about
Speaker 1: playing under Evil Flus again? And he said, I love it.
Speaker 1: So as far as free agency goes, this might be one.
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis, Yeah, hey, this is done. But this is
Speaker 1: why it's it's key to get the right guy in here.
Speaker 1: Four attack, front four attack in a vision defense, se ball,
Speaker 1: get ball.
Speaker 4: The number is kind of interesting.
Speaker 3: Four get ball, not front three. Are going to know
Speaker 3: front four, front four that's for to be dominant. Yeah,
Speaker 3: what you need is a dominant three attack is.
Speaker 8: What you need. You need another dominant end.
Speaker 4: And there's a lot of things we got commercials and
Speaker 4: stuff that you got to get to.
Speaker 3: In seven years as a defensive play caller, eba Flus's
Speaker 3: defense ranked in the top half of the league five
Speaker 3: times and we're in the top ten and take away
Speaker 3: six of those seven seasons.
Speaker 4: Remember what was the predication of dan Quinn's defense? Takeaway
Speaker 4: for sure.
Speaker 1: You know it's also beautiful about eber Flu's coming back
Speaker 1: is he's not simply coming back as someone who only
Speaker 1: coordinated a defense or pass defense, or only coordinated an
Speaker 1: entire defense. His specialty is what linebackers specialty is linebackers.
Speaker 1: So you're getting this guy.
Speaker 4: We've got a bunch of those on Foster right, No,
Speaker 4: but you're.
Speaker 1: Getting this guy to get his hands on Mars Leafoul
Speaker 1: who showed that his trajectory is due North Solid, who
Speaker 1: when overshown comes back, showed he has all pro potential
Speaker 1: when he can be on the field. If you can
Speaker 1: get Eric Kendricks to return to kind of stabilize that
Speaker 1: attack it again in the just some consistency too, but
Speaker 1: just knowing that Jordy Lewis is saying, Okay, this is
Speaker 1: a front four going to attack, and then you have
Speaker 1: a guy who specializes in linebackers, so that front seven
Speaker 1: should be quite nasty. And being that he also coordinated
Speaker 1: the pass defense, he has the ability to get the
Speaker 1: secondary in the right positions. And now his secondary is
Speaker 1: led by a former first round pick who played for him,
Speaker 1: and it's still playing mostly at a high level in
Speaker 1: Molie Cooker. But I love it. I absolutely love it.
Speaker 3: I don't want to take away from any of the callers. Remember,
Speaker 3: give us a call eight to eight eighty five five
Speaker 3: two two ninety seven. We're about to go to our
Speaker 3: first break. But I want Pat, I want you to
Speaker 3: give me your answer. Who was the favorite higher so
Speaker 3: far out of the.
Speaker 1: Coach Oh favor, I'm going to go with Flues.
Speaker 4: Okay, that's a good one. I'm going Clayton Adams And
Speaker 4: that's a good one.
Speaker 1: Damn.
Speaker 4: I'm really excited about Clayton Adams. No big reason for that.
Speaker 3: Scheme wise, he was probably out of all the position
Speaker 3: coaches that were thought to be Yeah, he was an
Speaker 3: offensive line coach in Arizona.
Speaker 8: Ye like him.
Speaker 3: Out of all the position coaches that were thought to
Speaker 3: be coordinator candidates in the NFL, Adams was right at
Speaker 3: the top, like his energy. So they went and got
Speaker 3: they went and got a guy. I'm excited about it.
Speaker 4: And did you see how angry Arizona was. The entire
Speaker 4: fan base was like, what the heck? Yeah, yeah, shouldn't
Speaker 4: let him. That's an indication position coach with white car
Speaker 4: Yes it man, So lots to unpack there.
Speaker 3: We might go more in depth next week, or maybe
Speaker 3: if a caller asks about it on Adams and the
Speaker 3: offensive side of the football.
Speaker 4: But when we come back, give us a call. Eight
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Speaker 10: Uh uh hi, guys, how are you? Thank you so
Speaker 10: much for taking my call. First of all, I want
Speaker 10: to start off by making a Super Bowl prediction. I
Speaker 10: think the Chiefs are going to be become the first
Speaker 10: team during the Super Bowl era to win three to
Speaker 10: win three champion ships in a row. And I believe
Speaker 10: the Chiefs are going to win thirty four thirty thirty fourth,
Speaker 10: thirty one. And second, I just want to make it
Speaker 10: abundantly clear that I am ecstatic that Will McClay signed
Speaker 10: a five year contract extension and uh last, but not least,
Speaker 10: do you think Brian Schottenheimer might be taking on too
Speaker 10: much considering that he's gonna I'll call plays, uh, considering
Speaker 10: that this is his first chance to become an This
Speaker 10: is his first chance at being a head coach in
Speaker 10: the National Football League. Take care, thanks for being thanks
Speaker 10: for being patient with me, and have a great week.
Speaker 3: By great stuff, Nevy. As always, I want to talk
Speaker 3: about that last point too much. From Brian Schottenheimer's standpoint,
Speaker 3: it is his first shot to be a head coach,
Speaker 3: and everybody knows that by now. It's a pretty common
Speaker 3: theme around the criticism of hiring Schottenheimer, and even I
Speaker 3: thought the Jones family addressed that pretty well during the
Speaker 3: press conference. If you are given a one shot, at
Speaker 3: one opportunity to come in and snag a coaching job
Speaker 3: in monsteraghetti man I was I was trying not to
Speaker 3: quote it, but I almost did all the way through
Speaker 3: eight mile. So but when you bring it, when you
Speaker 3: bring in Schottenheimer and he's your head coach, wouldn't you
Speaker 3: want to do it on your terms? And if you
Speaker 3: feel confident enough to call plays, give it a shot.
Speaker 3: That's an easy fix in my opinion, Absolutely you go
Speaker 3: in and let's say things don't go well.
Speaker 4: God forbid.
Speaker 3: Something just doesn't click in the play calling aspect, The
Speaker 3: offense just doesn't look right. Things aren't really working out
Speaker 3: in your favor. That's an easy fix to say, you
Speaker 3: know what, I understand.
Speaker 4: I tried it. I did what I could.
Speaker 3: It's my first time as a head coach. Let's pass
Speaker 3: this on and let's give it to Clayton Adams or
Speaker 3: whoever the offensive coordinator is at that time, and let's
Speaker 3: move it on down the line and let's see who
Speaker 3: else can call plays.
Speaker 4: I think that's an easy selection.
Speaker 3: Why not try it early, because if you're given one
Speaker 3: shot to be a head coach in the National Football League,
Speaker 3: as Nebe just outlined a moment ago, I think I
Speaker 3: would want to do it on my own terms, especially
Speaker 3: if I was already expecting to call plays somewhere else
Speaker 3: in the NFL.
Speaker 1: No, I agree with you, first and foremost, let's try
Speaker 1: it my way, and then if it doesn't work my way,
Speaker 1: you just got to trust that that coach has the
Speaker 1: willingness to be accountable and saying, you know what, try
Speaker 1: it my way didn't work, Let's try it your way
Speaker 1: and That's why it's it's key. That's why I love
Speaker 1: that you said Clayton Adams is your favorite of the
Speaker 1: highers is because if they have to throw those keys
Speaker 1: to the offensive coordinator the call plays. I love that
Speaker 1: it's Clayton Adams that they'd be throwing the keys too.
Speaker 5: He's like, yeah, this time, I'm going to stand up
Speaker 5: a shout. This time it's my way, my way or
Speaker 5: the highway.
Speaker 4: Honestly, we're just quote musical.
Speaker 10: No.
Speaker 5: I mean, come on, man, I think at this point
Speaker 5: it's a modern NFL. He has to have a say
Speaker 5: in the play calling at this point. We've been dealing
Speaker 5: with it for a while now, and we saw how
Speaker 5: that turned out. Granted it wasn't a great experiment on
Speaker 5: our part, but a lot of other teams do it.
Speaker 5: Give him a shot, dude, I want a shoty.
Speaker 1: What the lip biting was about, That's what I want
Speaker 1: to see. So keep in mind. During the press conference,
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones said something that stuck out. He said that
Speaker 1: there were times where Brian Schottenheimer was biting his lip
Speaker 1: because under the under McCarthy's play calling, because he didn't
Speaker 1: necessarily agree with whatever was happening at the time. So
Speaker 1: I want to see what that manifests.
Speaker 8: I want to know when mister Jones knew about that mm.
Speaker 4: Yeah, was it interview or in the time period.
Speaker 1: But I want to see what the lip bite is about.
Speaker 1: So that means, and I mean that to say, show
Speaker 1: me what it was that McCarthy was doing that Schottenheimer
Speaker 1: didn't agree with by the way of showing me what
Speaker 1: you would prefer to do in certain situations. So yeah,
Speaker 1: let's go.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think him listening to Usher definitely was sure
Speaker 8: in this house is my way.
Speaker 4: I think that's the way. That's the way to do it.
Speaker 7: I I do have one thing I wanted to get
Speaker 7: you guys take on this before we get to the
Speaker 7: next caller. What's y'all thoughts on the comments. I know
Speaker 7: you can look into comments way too much of course
Speaker 7: these things, but at that press conference, you know, he
Speaker 7: emphasized the amount of time that him and Dak were
Speaker 7: going to be spending together now that he's the head
Speaker 7: coach and no longer the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 4: It felt like there were limitations placed. Yeah, So it
Speaker 4: was funny.
Speaker 3: Patrick and I were texting yesterday, not about football, not
Speaker 3: about wrestling, not about anything talking about NASCAR. Right, talking
Speaker 3: about NASCAR, it's almost a Daytona five hundred. We're in
Speaker 3: the middle of February. You know what they do with
Speaker 3: Daytona Because things are going a little too fast around there,
Speaker 3: They put a thing on the car called a restrictor plate,
Speaker 3: and you restrict how fast in the airflow of the
Speaker 3: car and goes to keep everybody safe around you. For
Speaker 3: some reason whenever that was in the thought process. And
Speaker 3: I know not every one of our listeners knows exactly
Speaker 3: what a restrictor plate is or what NASCAR even is
Speaker 3: at times. However, when I thought about it, I was like,
Speaker 3: that felt like there was a restriction placed on who
Speaker 3: could talk to who and where it could talk to anybody.
Speaker 4: I think all of that is gone.
Speaker 3: I think you've taken the restricted play off because in
Speaker 3: terms of the same kind of breath that happened in
Speaker 3: that press conference when they were talking about how much
Speaker 3: time they're going to spend together, there was a lot
Speaker 3: of emphasis on communication and relationships and people building and
Speaker 3: leadership build thing. And I don't know if that's always
Speaker 3: been the case in the past. There's a lot of
Speaker 3: x's and o's, there's a lot of business. I feel
Speaker 3: like now there's more of an emphasis on let's try
Speaker 3: and build something together as opposed to try and make
Speaker 3: these puzzle pieces fit together.
Speaker 5: Well, the inevitable question. You called it the restrict plate, right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: should that have been on in the first place for
Speaker 5: a quarterback that you've had for you know, seven season
Speaker 5: as an offensive coordinator, as an offensive coordinator as well.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's why that stick out. That's what was
Speaker 4: weird about.
Speaker 5: That's kind of the root of the problem, I think,
Speaker 5: and at least.
Speaker 4: Rooted.
Speaker 5: I who knows, maybe that wasn't the right decision maybe
Speaker 5: or maybe it was the right decision at the time.
Speaker 3: But disclaimer, we do not dislike Mike McCarthy on this show.
Speaker 3: I just want to let it were all very we
Speaker 3: were all.
Speaker 8: That was the one statement in the press conference that
Speaker 8: made me go.
Speaker 5: It just didn't for me pull Tim Allen.
Speaker 8: But yeah, yeah, I didn't.
Speaker 7: Sit right with me because I'm like, as an officeer coordinator,
Speaker 7: even though you weren't recalling plays, I would assume that
Speaker 7: your number one responsibility will see as your number one
Speaker 7: player responsibility is your quarterback always, So if you weren't
Speaker 7: spending that time period in that role.
Speaker 8: With your quarterback. Why now would you have time to
Speaker 8: spend that much.
Speaker 1: Time or I don't think it was left in your time.
Speaker 1: I think when you have so many other people to
Speaker 1: be responsible for. Really, I really think it was it
Speaker 1: ties back. And then I keep my gut keep circling
Speaker 1: back to that comment about lip Biden. I think it
Speaker 1: was a situation where there was a difference in philosophy
Speaker 1: between McCarthy and Schottenheimer. And McCarthy and he was well
Speaker 1: within his rights to do so as head coach and
Speaker 1: play caller said, I don't want any potential miscommunication between
Speaker 1: what DAK is expected, what I'm expecting to see from
Speaker 1: DAK philosophy wise, versus what you know Schottenheimer might be
Speaker 1: telling DAK, and not that Schottenheimer would have been trying
Speaker 1: to undermine, but it's just if it was just basic
Speaker 1: conversations and meetings or whatnot, Shottenheimer might say A whereas
Speaker 1: McCarthy is teaching B and that's kind of in the
Speaker 1: middle of Okay, which do I go with here? And
Speaker 1: McCarthy being an old school ball coach in the head coach,
Speaker 1: he probably was like, I want one message, Yeah, one
Speaker 1: message and one message only, and if you're not preaching
Speaker 1: that message, then don't talk to my quarterback. But Chldheimer
Speaker 1: is much more of a right Yeah, yeah it is.
Speaker 1: But Schattenheimer does feel much more of that new age
Speaker 1: head coach collective. This everybody get on the same page.
Speaker 1: Let's get everybody's ideas on the table, let's come to
Speaker 1: an agree on agreements on what that should look like,
Speaker 1: and then let's communicate that message versus this is my message.
Speaker 1: Get on board, which I feel like that was one
Speaker 1: of the reasons. And I did love Zimmer on the
Speaker 1: back end because he turned the defense around, but I
Speaker 1: think that was one of the disconnects with Zimmer and
Speaker 1: the pre existing coaching staff that he came in to
Speaker 1: coach his assistance.
Speaker 3: That's one of the reasons why you hired McCarthy in
Speaker 3: the first place, because he had a culture, He had
Speaker 3: a mentality and a system and what he wants.
Speaker 1: And see, shot Heimer doesn't have a hit. He can culture,
Speaker 1: so he's wide open as far as Okay, my culture
Speaker 1: is a collective. Yeah, this, get everybody's ideas and let's
Speaker 1: establish it. Whereas Mike Zimmer, Mike McCarthy was like, hey,
Speaker 1: I know what I'm doing. This is what we're gonna do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is different, It is a different miss Uh.
Speaker 3: Let's take our second break when we come back. We
Speaker 3: got a couple of callers. We're going to try and
Speaker 3: get the both of them when we come back. Right
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Speaker 9: Good morning, guys, how are you? I'm okay?
Speaker 10: Hey?
Speaker 4: No, seal on.
Speaker 9: Thank you because you were an ox start in the
Speaker 9: summer and you took time to take a picture with
Speaker 9: myself and my daughter, so we'll never forget that. I
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Speaker 5: For all three dollars.
Speaker 4: Value such a The only bid was your mom, That's
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Speaker 1: Did get his love off science? Baby, go for it, Jim.
Speaker 9: All Right, I'm going to say something that's not going
Speaker 9: to be popular. Okay, all right, I don't understand why
Speaker 9: we value Will McLay so much. Let me just play
Speaker 9: hold on, hold on twenty three, Hold on the twenty
Speaker 9: three the first and second round were bus and twenty
Speaker 9: two the second and third round.
Speaker 8: Not so good.
Speaker 9: In twenty one we might as well have said we
Speaker 9: didn't have a draft besides Parsons, and in nineteen our
Speaker 9: highest pick was a bus. I'm not seeing it. I'm
Speaker 9: not seeing the value there. Guys, help me out.
Speaker 5: Well, you just said besides Parsons.
Speaker 9: I think the goal you're the draft one guy.
Speaker 4: I don't know, man. I think there's a lot of
Speaker 4: ro bowlers on the roster because.
Speaker 5: Of m Tyler Smith. You gotta take into account. I
Speaker 5: think there are a lot of players that you're kind
Speaker 5: of moving the tras. But doron Bland, but I agree
Speaker 5: with you that there are guys that he's missed on
Speaker 5: for or that the organization is missed on.
Speaker 4: It's the NFL draft in general exactly.
Speaker 8: Everyone's not gonna be a hit.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, and I think the way you started that too
Speaker 3: when you said twenty three and twenty four, I've been
Speaker 3: as critical as anybody whenever it comes to the twenty
Speaker 3: three and twenty four class, and I'm still on that bandwagon.
Speaker 3: Outside of your third round picks that just both happen
Speaker 3: to be linebackers, I'm not impressed so far. Mayris leaf
Speaker 3: ou Dubarian overshown from twenty four to twenty three, respectively.
Speaker 4: Those are draft classes that have not hit yet. But
Speaker 4: the key word is yet. They're still on your roster
Speaker 4: for the most part.
Speaker 3: So we've seen some good things out of Schoonmaker, We've
Speaker 3: seen some good things out of Monzie Smith. It depends
Speaker 3: on how they're able to get out of that right now.
Speaker 4: No, they haven't lived up to the expectation. Are they
Speaker 4: going to?
Speaker 3: Time will tell, But right now I think it's it's
Speaker 3: tough to call both of them a draft bus across
Speaker 3: the way where I think twenty nineteen you could say
Speaker 3: that's a busted draft. Twenty twenty was one of the
Speaker 3: best drafts you've had in a long time. When you
Speaker 3: had Ceedee Lamb Trayvon Diggs. Yeah, Tyler Biattish, you had,
Speaker 3: you had a number of guys there.
Speaker 12: With that that made a huge impact five years ago.
Speaker 3: It was five years ago, but you you've hit in
Speaker 3: twenty two, got Tyler Smith up fromt You've got twenty three.
Speaker 4: It happens along the way.
Speaker 7: But there's a there's a partnership here though. Understand this
Speaker 7: from upper management right in the scouting department. Their role
Speaker 7: is to identify talent and bring talent into building. Correct,
Speaker 7: what what what exchange happens from that point, Who's who's
Speaker 7: been now responsible?
Speaker 8: There's a thing called coaching.
Speaker 7: There's a thing called coaching, right, So you can't just
Speaker 7: put all the responsibility on the scouting department.
Speaker 8: They are able to identify needs.
Speaker 7: Of your team, positional needs, and they are able to
Speaker 7: fill those needs with talented players. Now, once that exchange happens,
Speaker 7: they're now drafted. Their job is now done with those guys, right,
Speaker 7: they turn to guys that are now on other rosters,
Speaker 7: They turn to guys that are in other leagues. It's
Speaker 7: to coaches now their job to develop. Which is a
Speaker 7: conversation that we have had on this show many times
Speaker 7: in terms of the responsibility of position coaches and why
Speaker 7: there needs to be more of an emphasis place on
Speaker 7: position coaches, which is why we're excited about position coaches
Speaker 7: that are coming upon this roster, because we understand how
Speaker 7: influential they are to the development of players.
Speaker 8: Just because become a professional.
Speaker 7: Athlete does not stop your development in terms of growing
Speaker 7: and getting better. You come in as a collegiate player,
Speaker 7: you develop into a professional athlete, so you have to
Speaker 7: get handed off to a coach who's capable of developing you,
Speaker 7: which is why Linda Wells is huge.
Speaker 9: Let me let me, let me make this point by
Speaker 9: my observation, go for it and then coming in hot
Speaker 9: Kneelan and BB from this year, if you look at
Speaker 9: him when they lose, they're losing with great efforts. They
Speaker 9: play like they want to be there, where Maisie Smith
Speaker 9: and Schoonmaker there are times they play like they don't
Speaker 9: want any part of it. And I think there's a
Speaker 9: big difference between that. Sure, it gives me hope for
Speaker 9: it gives me hope for the top three and twenty four,
Speaker 9: and it doesn't give me hope for Smith and Scootmakers.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let me say this, Jim Number one. What
Speaker 1: Isaiah said stands out fantastically because it's it's a two
Speaker 1: part equation. The scouts are tasked with finding the best
Speaker 1: talent with the highest ceiling. Once they do so, they
Speaker 1: get handed off to the coach. Now, this is why
Speaker 1: you see situations annually around the league where a player
Speaker 1: leaves a respective team and they go and they thrive,
Speaker 1: right as you know how that feels, right, you know
Speaker 1: how that feels. So that goes to say that sometimes
Speaker 1: it's fit, it's scheme, it's coaching, whatever the case may be.
Speaker 1: But once the scout identifies the high level talent, that
Speaker 1: their job is done. So and I agree, and I
Speaker 1: said this on Twitter. Is Will McLay perfect, absolutely not,
Speaker 1: but batting average, His batting average is sensational. So for
Speaker 1: every Taco Charleton, right, you'll get Ezekiel here for taco. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, taco, Taco is the thing. Right, We're not
Speaker 1: gonna pretend Taco's not a thing. We're not going to
Speaker 1: pretend that Christmas.
Speaker 9: No, No, I didn't know McLay was here during Taco years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, so let me remind you. McLay came in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty eleven, so that means Tyron Smith Is McLay Era,
Speaker 1: Zach Martin, Travis, Frederick DeMarco, Murray, DeMarcus, Lawrence Zeke, Dak
Speaker 1: Prescott and Lewis, Tony Potter, Chauncey Ghost and Osa Micah
Speaker 1: cd Trayvon Deron Blam.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm not a Golson fan, but Okay, Chauncey saved.
Speaker 3: That was a byproduct of a lot of bad coaching decisions.
Speaker 3: For you, you would be looking on he did as
Speaker 3: an edge Dross Lord Iowa.
Speaker 1: You would be a Chauncy Ghoston fan if the coaching,
Speaker 1: to Isaiah's point, had put him on edge and kept
Speaker 1: him on the edge prior to breaking glass in case
Speaker 1: of emergency. Last season, so you saw Chauncey Ghost come
Speaker 1: out and have.
Speaker 8: A courier season.
Speaker 9: I disagree with you on Patrick. I think Chauncey is
Speaker 9: a defensive ends body that should be playing the defensive tackle,
Speaker 9: but he didn't have the body for it. I don't
Speaker 9: think he can redirect like the defensive endings.
Speaker 1: Well, let me let me ask you this, and I
Speaker 1: love do you think Miles Gart Michael d I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, do you think that Miles Garrett and Michael
Speaker 1: Parsons possessed the same abilities as d n.
Speaker 9: The same abilities. I think Miles Garrett has a little
Speaker 9: more power.
Speaker 7: They're completely different events, completely different characters like Miles and
Speaker 7: t J.
Speaker 1: Yeah, two different. Here's what I asked, do you think
Speaker 1: Tyron Crawford was a five or three? Do you think
Speaker 1: he was?
Speaker 9: I think I think he was a with a high
Speaker 9: motor and a competitive attitude.
Speaker 1: Fair enough, so we'll agree on that. I think Chauncey Ghosting,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Ghosting is a world beater. I'm saying
Speaker 1: that he could have been an impact player well before
Speaker 1: he was, which goes to the coaching aspect. But then
Speaker 1: if you fast forward, yeah, you have like the Tristan
Speaker 1: Hills of the world. You want to forget that. You
Speaker 1: want to forget to right right, You want to forget that,
Speaker 1: you want to forget that everybody has right. But you
Speaker 1: coming forward because I know people say, oh, Tyrone was
Speaker 1: more than a decade ago. Fine, like you said, though,
Speaker 1: Cooper b B. Mary Sleep to Marveon over shown as
Speaker 1: a Will McLay.
Speaker 7: Let me ask this question, who's our interior d Lineman
Speaker 7: we got rid of that was playing in the playoffs,
Speaker 7: just recently Ridgeway or Ridgeway, No, Phillips, you're talking about
Speaker 7: Rogers interior.
Speaker 4: No, No, Rogers is with us, you're talking about we're
Speaker 4: talking about Uh, he got.
Speaker 8: A couple of years ago Gallimore Gallimore Galley. Yeah, ally
Speaker 8: was coaching.
Speaker 1: Huge, Yeah, huge, huge contribution impacted. So so you're not
Speaker 1: going to hit on everything.
Speaker 4: So we agree with that, Jim, I want to ask
Speaker 4: you one more question out of the NFC. Let's just
Speaker 4: keep it to the NFC.
Speaker 3: Who were the best draft classing or best drafting teams.
Speaker 4: In the NFC right now? Who would you put up
Speaker 4: there at the top.
Speaker 9: I think Philly had a phenomenon.
Speaker 3: Philly is a great point and I think they'll continue
Speaker 3: to grow into it. Let me add this, since twenty twenty,
Speaker 3: that was that was the draft. That was the draft
Speaker 3: you just mentioned twenty twenty and it was five years ago, right.
Speaker 3: Since twenty twenty, the Cowboys have had different players named
Speaker 3: to fifteen total Pro Bowls. Since twenty twenty, the Philadelphia Eagles,
Speaker 3: out of their draft class, has only had nine.
Speaker 9: So let's continue to look at vote by the fans.
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, and then the All pros I think would
Speaker 3: line up to it as well, I didn't count all pros.
Speaker 1: But also here's some edit context for you, Jim. Look
Speaker 1: at what Kyle is saying, and now I'll can see
Speaker 1: too Pro Bowl having a third fan of one hundred
Speaker 1: percent Tury, but all pros are also an underwoman.
Speaker 4: I don't think this is right. This is no all
Speaker 4: pros for Philly at all since twenty I don't think.
Speaker 1: But let me let me add this. How many staff
Speaker 1: changes under Will McClay. Have you seen head coach, offensive coordinator,
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, position coaches consistent and still the talent is
Speaker 1: coming in?
Speaker 4: Do you see what I'm saying?
Speaker 1: So again, we're not We're not forgiving the Taco Charletons
Speaker 1: and the Tristan your pick.
Speaker 8: We're not players based upon what those coaching staffs want.
Speaker 1: But what we're saying is from a consistency standpoint, and
Speaker 1: as far as batting average goes and on base percentage
Speaker 1: goals for my for my baseball fans, and slugging percentage goals,
Speaker 1: Will McClay is arguably the best.
Speaker 8: Put it like this.
Speaker 7: Will Will McClay would have been the hottest free agent
Speaker 7: in football had he been out on the streets.
Speaker 5: He not line he let me leave you with this,
Speaker 5: I respect, I respect your opinion. Ultimately, I don't know.
Speaker 9: Alright better in the second round in the last six years,
Speaker 9: we wouldn't be complaining about spending.
Speaker 3: I agree, we do agree, and we've talked about that
Speaker 3: for no doubt. Jim, thank you for the call. We
Speaker 3: appreciate the conversation. Really was a good yeah, a dialogue.
Speaker 3: I love it because there that's the thing is a
Speaker 3: lot of people probably aren't arm bull, aren't on board
Speaker 3: all the time with our opinions and what we're come
Speaker 3: to be exactly, however, will McLay that needs to be
Speaker 3: talked about. I like him what he's like you, Jim,
Speaker 3: thanks for the call. Nebby, thanks for the call.
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