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Speaker 2: your hosts Isaiah Stanback, Patrick Walker, Josh Rodriguez, and Kyle Yeomans.

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Speaker 3: Welcome in everybody, as we've got our full cast and

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Speaker 3: crew ready for you to rock today. We've got Patrick

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Speaker 3: noc Walker, Josh Rodriguez, Hi, Isaiah stand back, Chris Beam

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Speaker 3: in the back of Kyle Yeoman's Glad you're with us.

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Speaker 4: We are all back in the building. That's right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, took a little bit of time, made a couple

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Speaker 5: I want you to let everybody know we're back up.

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Speaker 4: We are so bad now did you have a first

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Speaker 6: Call?

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Speaker 3: Funny story. Funny story, not like the Isaiah tandem. Whenever

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Speaker 3: he decided to leave us in coach, I told my

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Speaker 3: friends that I was going to upgrade the first and

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Speaker 3: I did, and I upgraded a first class on the

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Speaker 3: way back. You know what happened though, The Cowboys hired

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Speaker 4: But I lost the seat upgrade and they threw me

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Speaker 4: in the middle seat. Yeah it sucked. Oh it was awful.

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Speaker 4: It was such a pain.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was literally one A. I've never flown first

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Speaker 3: class in my life. The closest thing the first class

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Speaker 4: Wow, but I've never done it in my life. I

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Speaker 4: was so excited. I was like, let me, let me

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Speaker 7: You have to put your bag up the top though,

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Speaker 7: traveling a lot. Yeah, you can't have the laptop out

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Speaker 7: until you know you take off.

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Speaker 4: It's a whole nother thing. American, do the right thing.

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Speaker 1: It was all.

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Speaker 7: Right, double a, do the right thing. Put my guy,

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Speaker 7: put put him in first class, Get him out of the middle.

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Speaker 3: Show too broad for the middle, too broad, too broadic,

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Speaker 3: kind of like Eddie George in the booth here that is, there's.

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Speaker 7: Some people that you growing up playing football right, You're like,

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Speaker 7: you have a high regard for you respect their game

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Speaker 7: of course, right, Like they've done some amazing things. They

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Speaker 7: does some amazing things as a as a player. Talking

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Speaker 7: about Eddie George, that is yeah, but when you see

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Speaker 7: the challenges that were being handed down to defenders that

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Speaker 7: about big running backs and I'm like, Okay, you know,

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Speaker 8: So I hear about big running back.

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Speaker 7: I'm like, ok yeah, they're a little bit smaller than

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Speaker 7: me probably whatever, Like that's challenging. Eddie George made me

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Speaker 8: He came in.

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Speaker 5: He still got He came.

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Speaker 7: In the booth when I was calling the East West

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Speaker 7: Ryne game with the rest of the NFL Network crew,

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Speaker 7: and they wanted us all to get into this tight

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Speaker 7: So it was like, Okay, you guys got a scoot

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Speaker 7: scooch together, right and that scoot together, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Just a scoot.

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Speaker 7: Do you guys see his shoulders Like, I can't get

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Speaker 7: any we can't be shoulder to short.

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Speaker 8: I'm gonna have to be behind him.

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Speaker 4: You show that picture to that are watching it online.

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Speaker 8: Absolutely. For those that are watching online, this is.

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Speaker 4: Live on YouTube and live on the draft shot Twitter.

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Speaker 4: So am you sure to subscribe?

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Speaker 7: By the way, as of yesterday, I am six three,

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Speaker 7: two hundred and forty nine pounds. As of yesterday we

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Speaker 7: nine pounds sixty three Eddie, Eddie's This is Eddie George

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Speaker 7: standing right next to me.

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Speaker 8: Yes, the ballheaded guy.

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Speaker 5: Not only did he play for the Titans, he looks

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Speaker 8: What his arms crossed?

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Speaker 8: What is this?

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Speaker 5: He looks like he just won the Royal Rumble.

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Speaker 7: This is a yeah, that is ah bro, Come on,

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Speaker 1: That's not George, that's Bobby Lashley.

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Speaker 4: That's exactly what.

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Speaker 1: Look at this.

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Speaker 8: Look at I'm looking at him like, bro, like what

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Speaker 8: are you? You're a Decepticon.

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Speaker 5: That's a big dude.

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Speaker 7: It made me want to go do all the push

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Speaker 7: because I felt so small, Like there's certain people you

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Speaker 7: You're like, okay, Like that's just genetics, like whatever.

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Speaker 8: I can never be that tall.

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Speaker 5: I felt the exactually more when I stood next to

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Speaker 5: Mickey Paola for the first time and his bike shorts.

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Speaker 4: I was like, maybe his bike shirt.

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Speaker 5: Like when we're talking about just a your.

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Speaker 1: Athlete, I among.

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Speaker 5: I had never heard among you. I can't, dude, it's

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Speaker 5: a specimen. When it comes, I will.

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Speaker 3: The black shorts with the red button pat yea if

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Speaker 3: I'm if I'm in his shape.

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Speaker 4: When I'm making no age.

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Speaker 5: All, that's not the dude. By twenty miles, yeah, training,

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Speaker 5: I'm like barely getting up to go. Good breakfast was like,

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Speaker 5: what's up, Mickey, He's like, oh, just did twenty miles,

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Speaker 5: Like Mickey's a beast. But I felt the same way. Yeah, yeah, yes,

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Speaker 8: To Whitworth Andrew Whitworth.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm supposed to be smaller than him, right, like

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Speaker 4: Okay, I just as a tail back.

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Speaker 8: This is a running back.

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Speaker 7: YEA like like put it, let me put this in perspective, Derek,

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Speaker 8: Yes, but Derek Henry and I are the exact same size.

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Speaker 8: We're both six s three.

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Speaker 1: He's in pective, yes, because yes, that means next to

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Speaker 1: Derek and exactly and.

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Speaker 4: This is like the forty five year old version of him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Crazy, and it's crazy that we were able to see

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Speaker 7: Physical, and we talked about how physical the game was.

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Speaker 7: Act then obviously there's still football, but it's not as

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Speaker 5: And those guys were freakingty thousands clashes lash Bro Glad.

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Speaker 7: Of the Titans a good movie, very good.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I want to hear more about the Shrine Bowl,

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Speaker 3: and I want to hear more about some of.

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Speaker 4: The draft prospects because I know Pat, you were in

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Speaker 4: Of course I was out in Mobile for the Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 4: We're going to talk. We had it all covered, absolutely,

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Speaker 4: we had it all, all.

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Speaker 3: Of it, all of it, Baby, We're going to talk

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Speaker 3: a little bit more draft. When we get to the

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Speaker 3: third segment today, we're going to take your calls in

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Speaker 3: the second segment eight eight eight eight five five two

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Speaker 3: two ninety seven. We haven't talked to Cowboys Nation in

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Speaker 3: a hot minute, so give us a call. Eighty eight

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Speaker 3: about a little bit of everything.

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Speaker 4: The Schottenheim or higher.

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Speaker 3: He's your new head coach, uh, the oh see the DC,

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Speaker 3: the player, the coaches, whatever it ends up being across

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Speaker 3: the way, could even be Miles, Garrett, Cooper Cup, whatever

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Speaker 3: their way out Cleveland, Browns Uh still on a contract,

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Speaker 3: Miles requested a trade from Cleveland, and then apparently Cooper

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Speaker 3: So you could ask about those questions too. We can't

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Speaker 3: say everything because at.

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Speaker 1: Least there's some communication there is at unlikely Luca. But

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Speaker 1: you know, okay, I don't want to talk about don't

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Speaker 8: At least those teams. That was a good move. That

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Speaker 4: Stop it don't even close to that. Keep going let's

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Speaker 3: To update the fans who haven't been keeping a lot tabs.

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Speaker 4: Let's run down the list. What do staff look like.

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Speaker 1: Right now as we have this conversation, and I'll let

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Speaker 1: you know who's confirmed who's not confirmed. So we know

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Speaker 1: Brian Schartenheimer's new head coach. Offensive coordinator is going to

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Speaker 1: be Clayton Adams from the cart News. Matt Eberflus reuniting

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Speaker 1: coordinator replacing Bones Fossil who went to the Tennessee Titans

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Speaker 1: is Nick Sorenson, who is bringing that Kyle Shanahan tea

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Speaker 1: into the building. I can't get enough of that. Yes, sir, Titans,

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Speaker 1: we were able to retain lond Well's massive for three

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Speaker 1: massive resigning, especially and since the last.

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Speaker 3: Time we were on the air, they've also resigned Will McLay.

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Speaker 1: The biggest free agent on the Cowboys. We did it, secured,

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Speaker 1: we did it everybody, absolutely so Will McClay is still

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Speaker 4: How do we anti clap? Do we poo?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's a pain him fossil for for me, those.

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Speaker 4: Are But congratulate him on the upgrade.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, for sure.

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Speaker 1: Harris goes up there. He's defensive passing game coordinator and

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Speaker 1: you see it. And I spoke with Al and it

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Speaker 1: is obviously not just to move up in title, but

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Speaker 1: he'll have a little bit more responsibility than even with

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Speaker 1: the title dictates. But keep in mind he wasn't able

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Speaker 1: he gets to do that there, which gives him the

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Speaker 1: becoming a head coach. So shouts out to l Harris

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Speaker 1: go up there and kick some buns. Assistant wide receivers

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Speaker 1: coach were still looking for the primary wide receivers coach

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Speaker 1: lost Robert Prince to the Miami Dolphins. No names have

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Speaker 1: been floated yet, but every day that passes along, new

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Speaker 1: you know, positional coaches come into the fold. Hell, just

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Speaker 1: yesterday we had some more so, but we do have

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Speaker 1: a reported interview Taekwan Underwood, formerly of the New England Patriots,

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Speaker 1: but the expectation is that it will keep an eye.

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Speaker 5: On that best hair and coaching staff. Yeah, you would

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Speaker 5: easily win the best.

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Speaker 8: So how can you hire an assistant before having before.

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Speaker 7: Because the super coach would be the one who would

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Speaker 7: I would imagine, yea, if I'm gonna be working.

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Speaker 5: Unless you're I don't know, offensive coordinator has a really

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Speaker 5: I'm not here to judge.

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Speaker 4: That would be kind of a weird.

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Speaker 3: Like you're an assistant, but we know where you're not

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Speaker 1: Wide receivers coach.

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Speaker 7: So here's the I would think that their main receiver

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Speaker 1: It's possible that.

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Speaker 5: We got Willbi play man.

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Speaker 4: What are you worried about.

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Speaker 5: What are you worried about?

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Speaker 1: You got what you wanted possible. They already know, all right,

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Speaker 8: Yeah, he's on the roster.

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Speaker 4: So there's that guy that's on the roster. Guy that

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Speaker 8: I'm not mad at Not only was.

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Speaker 4: Well he's making a back.

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Speaker 5: It just threw money at the problem.

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, a position coach college.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he's making m yeah one point five yeah, one

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Speaker 3: Well no, no, no, I think it's too eight hundred.

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Speaker 4: So he got an eight hundred thousand dollars raise.

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Speaker 8: No ready making, he was ready making.

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Speaker 1: He's already making seven, he's making more.

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Speaker 4: He's making now I am and he has a bier shot.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, changing my professional.

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Speaker 10: You got to.

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Speaker 1: I haven't done it yet.

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Speaker 4: So about this, he doesn't have to recruit anymore.

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Speaker 3: Oh and he doesn't have those in general now, in

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Speaker 4: Now, it's just like spoke like a true Baylor. Well

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So Derek Foster is budget, right, Derek Foster. Derrek

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Speaker 1: Andre Curtis. He'll be in the building more or less

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Speaker 1: But you know you still have other vacancies assistant offensive line,

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Speaker 1: That's nailed down. But again, if you're following how now, boys,

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Speaker 1: hiring has has been going since Schottenheimer was named. I

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Speaker 1: a new hiring is landing. Two three, new interviews.

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Speaker 4: Trying to knock it all out.

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Speaker 1: They're really trying to knock it out. So still some vacancies.

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Speaker 1: We know the strength and conditioning team is going to

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Speaker 5: That one's confirmed confirmed drinking conditions.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, so vacancies are being filled quickly. One, two, three,

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Speaker 3: How do we feel at it right now? Let's just

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Speaker 4: I thought, at least out of the two guys that

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Speaker 3: Wanted Robert Sala or Matti eb Refluse, this is a

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Speaker 11: Of the ball.

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Speaker 3: It's going to be hard to keep them, at least

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Speaker 3: the expectations straight because of what you've had from Dan Quinn,

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Speaker 5: That's going to be tough on the players regardless because

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Speaker 4: Twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, and twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 5: my concerns at that point exactly. Well, he was talking about,

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Speaker 5: I was like, all right, that sounds like a good thing.

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Speaker 5: That to me is most telling about this Higher? Is

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Speaker 4: I don't know what is your.

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Speaker 5: I know, I know, I know I don't want to.

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Speaker 4: It's a Jerry Maddalone special. Yes, ask the follow up.

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Speaker 4: You let it out there.

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Speaker 5: I know, I know.

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Speaker 1: Be up there. Actually, Derrick Foster.

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Speaker 4: You like Foster? I like Foster. Okay, we'll get it

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Speaker 8: It makes sense.

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Speaker 4: You weren't super high on Zim last year when that happened.

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Speaker 7: completely different. I have concerns about I guess just my

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Speaker 7: Schottenheimer is going to what he's going to try to

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Speaker 7: when they take the actual games, Like what what energy

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Speaker 7: do you fear about this team? Is it a preparation?

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Speaker 9: Is it there?

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Speaker 8: Is it their relentlessness?

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Speaker 12: Is it there?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 8: Their big playability? Like what is the identity of these

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Speaker 8: this team? And we just don't know.

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Speaker 7: We do know that he's capable of calling plays offense.

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Speaker 7: We do know that Eberflus is capable of putting together

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Speaker 7: a solid defenses. So I mean, you know, I think

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Speaker 7: that the biggest higher I haven't learned on the names yet,

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Speaker 7: so I apologize. But the office a line coach, I

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Speaker 7: think that's major to.

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Speaker 5: Me though, A difference between Mike Zimmer last year and

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Speaker 5: the higher Last year, Mike Zimmer was taking over a

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Speaker 5: defense that was already solidifies. I think at this point

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Speaker 5: this year you have some room to grow and to

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Speaker 5: kind of change your personnel on defense. I mean, you're

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Speaker 5: going to have to anyways, because you're going to lose

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Speaker 5: some guys. There's agents, There's no doubt about that. So

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Speaker 5: at least Ibraflus has a better shot at it because

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Speaker 5: he can actually create the defense that he wants to

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Speaker 5: having to just basically use somebody else's defense, which is

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Speaker 5: what Mike Zimmer was testing.

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Speaker 3: And remember Zimmer said that at the end, he said,

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Speaker 3: one of my biggest regret regrets was not having my

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Speaker 3: stamp on it early and trying to mold myself to

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Speaker 3: what was happening. He said, if I would have started

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Speaker 3: doing what I wanted to do earlier, then it might

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Speaker 3: have been a different outcome. Who knows, it may not

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Speaker 3: have been, it may have been a similar outcome, and whatever.

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, the proofs in the pudding that the

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Speaker 5: defense at the end of the year was better than

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Speaker 5: they were at the beginning.

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Speaker 1: I love the return of ebra Flus. He was he

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Speaker 1: was second on my list. I wanted Robert Seller as

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Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. That was a long shot, but it was

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Speaker 1: a shot. And credit to them, they took their shot.

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Speaker 1: They brought him in, they had to sit down with them.

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Speaker 1: I'm giving an interview, was our first interview, right, and

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Speaker 1: yes that was for a head coach position, but I

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Speaker 1: was I'm told that they also discussed DC as well.

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Speaker 1: So they shot their shot. Forty nine Ers came in

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Speaker 1: with the you know, familiarity. I was like in the bag.

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Speaker 4: I was like, hey, not only do you non head

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Speaker 4: coach in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: So he did what he needed to do. I'm not

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Speaker 1: mad at that. So circling back and getting eber Flus

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Speaker 1: for me, it gives you a fantastic balance of two things. One,

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Speaker 1: you have just enough familiarity, right, so just enough because

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Speaker 1: quite as it's kept. Like Malie Cooker, for example, Melik

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Speaker 1: Hooker played on the eber Flus and with the Indianapolis

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Speaker 1: coach and he played well on the eba Flu, So

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Speaker 1: he's going to be able to help some of these

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Speaker 1: guys who haven't played on the ebra Flus kind of

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Speaker 1: acclimate to that. If the Cowboys can keep Jordan Lewis.

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Speaker 1: For example, I reached out to Jeordian because Jordan played

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Speaker 1: under Eva Flus as the past game coordinator. I learned

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Speaker 1: some things linebackers coach, but mostly past game coordinator. So

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Speaker 1: this is what Jordan Lewis told me, and check out

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Speaker 1: the article on the dot com as well. I asked

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Speaker 1: him to describe Ebra Flus's vision culture as a defensive

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Speaker 1: potential defensive coordinator. He said, and I quote vision defense.

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Speaker 1: That's going to be that's going to uh run to

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Speaker 1: the ball and tackle hard.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And I asked him, I said so, he said, in

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Speaker 1: the front four are going to attack. Then I asked him,

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Speaker 1: you know, straight up, how how would you feel about

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Speaker 1: playing under Evil Flus again? And he said, I love it.

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Speaker 1: So as far as free agency goes, this might be one.

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Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis, Yeah, hey, this is done. But this is

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Speaker 1: why it's it's key to get the right guy in here.

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Speaker 1: Four attack, front four attack in a vision defense, se ball,

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Speaker 1: get ball.

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Speaker 4: The number is kind of interesting.

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Speaker 3: Four get ball, not front three. Are going to know

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Speaker 3: front four, front four that's for to be dominant. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: what you need is a dominant three attack is.

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Speaker 8: What you need. You need another dominant end.

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Speaker 4: And there's a lot of things we got commercials and

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Speaker 4: stuff that you got to get to.

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Speaker 3: In seven years as a defensive play caller, eba Flus's

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Speaker 3: defense ranked in the top half of the league five

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Speaker 3: times and we're in the top ten and take away

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Speaker 3: six of those seven seasons.

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Speaker 4: Remember what was the predication of dan Quinn's defense? Takeaway

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Speaker 4: for sure.

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Speaker 1: You know it's also beautiful about eber Flu's coming back

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Speaker 1: is he's not simply coming back as someone who only

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Speaker 1: coordinated a defense or pass defense, or only coordinated an

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Speaker 1: entire defense. His specialty is what linebackers specialty is linebackers.

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Speaker 1: So you're getting this guy.

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Speaker 4: We've got a bunch of those on Foster right, No,

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Speaker 4: but you're.

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Speaker 1: Getting this guy to get his hands on Mars Leafoul

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Speaker 1: who showed that his trajectory is due North Solid, who

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Speaker 1: when overshown comes back, showed he has all pro potential

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Speaker 1: when he can be on the field. If you can

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Speaker 1: get Eric Kendricks to return to kind of stabilize that

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Speaker 1: attack it again in the just some consistency too, but

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Speaker 1: just knowing that Jordy Lewis is saying, Okay, this is

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Speaker 1: a front four going to attack, and then you have

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Speaker 1: a guy who specializes in linebackers, so that front seven

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Speaker 1: should be quite nasty. And being that he also coordinated

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Speaker 1: the pass defense, he has the ability to get the

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Speaker 1: secondary in the right positions. And now his secondary is

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Speaker 1: led by a former first round pick who played for him,

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Speaker 1: and it's still playing mostly at a high level in

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Speaker 1: Molie Cooker. But I love it. I absolutely love it.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to take away from any of the callers. Remember,

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Speaker 3: give us a call eight to eight eighty five five

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Speaker 3: two two ninety seven. We're about to go to our

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Speaker 3: first break. But I want Pat, I want you to

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Speaker 3: give me your answer. Who was the favorite higher so

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Speaker 3: far out of the.

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Speaker 1: Coach Oh favor, I'm going to go with Flues.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's a good one. I'm going Clayton Adams And

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Speaker 4: that's a good one.

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Speaker 1: Damn.

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Speaker 4: I'm really excited about Clayton Adams. No big reason for that.

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Speaker 3: Scheme wise, he was probably out of all the position

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Speaker 3: coaches that were thought to be Yeah, he was an

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Speaker 3: offensive line coach in Arizona.

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Speaker 8: Ye like him.

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Speaker 3: Out of all the position coaches that were thought to

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Speaker 3: be coordinator candidates in the NFL, Adams was right at

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Speaker 3: the top, like his energy. So they went and got

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Speaker 3: they went and got a guy. I'm excited about it.

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Speaker 4: And did you see how angry Arizona was. The entire

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Speaker 4: fan base was like, what the heck? Yeah, yeah, shouldn't

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Speaker 4: let him. That's an indication position coach with white car

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Speaker 4: Yes it man, So lots to unpack there.

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Speaker 3: We might go more in depth next week, or maybe

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Speaker 3: if a caller asks about it on Adams and the

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Speaker 3: offensive side of the football.

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Speaker 4: But when we come back, give us a call. Eight

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Speaker 10: Uh uh hi, guys, how are you? Thank you so

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Speaker 10: much for taking my call. First of all, I want

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Speaker 10: do you think Brian Schottenheimer might be taking on too

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Speaker 10: much considering that he's gonna I'll call plays, uh, considering

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Speaker 10: that this is his first chance to become an This

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Speaker 10: the National Football League. Take care, thanks for being thanks

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Speaker 10: for being patient with me, and have a great week.

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Speaker 3: By great stuff, Nevy. As always, I want to talk

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Speaker 3: about that last point too much. From Brian Schottenheimer's standpoint,

666
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 3: it is his first shot to be a head coach,

667
00:31:26,560 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 3: and everybody knows that by now. It's a pretty common

668
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 3: theme around the criticism of hiring Schottenheimer, and even I

669
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 3: thought the Jones family addressed that pretty well during the

670
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 3: press conference. If you are given a one shot, at

671
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 3: one opportunity to come in and snag a coaching job

672
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 3: in monsteraghetti man I was I was trying not to

673
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 3: quote it, but I almost did all the way through

674
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 3: eight mile. So but when you bring it, when you

675
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 3: bring in Schottenheimer and he's your head coach, wouldn't you

676
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 3: want to do it on your terms? And if you

677
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 3: feel confident enough to call plays, give it a shot.

678
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 3: That's an easy fix in my opinion, Absolutely you go

679
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 3: in and let's say things don't go well.

680
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 4: God forbid.

681
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 3: Something just doesn't click in the play calling aspect, The

682
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 3: offense just doesn't look right. Things aren't really working out

683
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,040
Speaker 3: in your favor. That's an easy fix to say, you

684
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 3: know what, I understand.

685
00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 4: I tried it. I did what I could.

686
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 3: It's my first time as a head coach. Let's pass

687
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 3: this on and let's give it to Clayton Adams or

688
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 3: whoever the offensive coordinator is at that time, and let's

689
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 3: move it on down the line and let's see who

690
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 3: else can call plays.

691
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 4: I think that's an easy selection.

692
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 3: Why not try it early, because if you're given one

693
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 3: shot to be a head coach in the National Football League,

694
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 3: as Nebe just outlined a moment ago, I think I

695
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:43,560
Speaker 3: would want to do it on my own terms, especially

696
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,000
Speaker 3: if I was already expecting to call plays somewhere else

697
00:32:47,080 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 3: in the NFL.

698
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:50,080
Speaker 1: No, I agree with you, first and foremost, let's try

699
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: it my way, and then if it doesn't work my way,

700
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: you just got to trust that that coach has the

701
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: willingness to be accountable and saying, you know what, try

702
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 1: it my way didn't work, Let's try it your way

703
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: and That's why it's it's key. That's why I love

704
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 1: that you said Clayton Adams is your favorite of the

705
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: highers is because if they have to throw those keys

706
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,000
Speaker 1: to the offensive coordinator the call plays. I love that

707
00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:13,239
Speaker 1: it's Clayton Adams that they'd be throwing the keys too.

708
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 5: He's like, yeah, this time, I'm going to stand up

709
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 5: a shout. This time it's my way, my way or

710
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 5: the highway.

711
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 4: Honestly, we're just quote musical.

712
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 10: No.

713
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:23,560
Speaker 5: I mean, come on, man, I think at this point

714
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 5: it's a modern NFL. He has to have a say

715
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,160
Speaker 5: in the play calling at this point. We've been dealing

716
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 5: with it for a while now, and we saw how

717
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 5: that turned out. Granted it wasn't a great experiment on

718
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,320
Speaker 5: our part, but a lot of other teams do it.

719
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 5: Give him a shot, dude, I want a shoty.

720
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Speaker 1: What the lip biting was about, That's what I want

721
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: to see. So keep in mind. During the press conference,

722
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones said something that stuck out. He said that

723
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: there were times where Brian Schottenheimer was biting his lip

724
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 1: because under the under McCarthy's play calling, because he didn't

725
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: necessarily agree with whatever was happening at the time. So

726
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 1: I want to see what that manifests.

727
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 8: I want to know when mister Jones knew about that mm.

728
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, was it interview or in the time period.

729
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,839
Speaker 1: But I want to see what the lip bite is about.

730
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 1: So that means, and I mean that to say, show

731
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: me what it was that McCarthy was doing that Schottenheimer

732
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,080
Speaker 1: didn't agree with by the way of showing me what

733
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: you would prefer to do in certain situations. So yeah,

734
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 1: let's go.

735
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:26,919
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think him listening to Usher definitely was sure

736
00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 8: in this house is my way.

737
00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 4: I think that's the way. That's the way to do it.

738
00:34:32,360 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 7: I I do have one thing I wanted to get

739
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 7: you guys take on this before we get to the

740
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 7: next caller. What's y'all thoughts on the comments. I know

741
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,279
Speaker 7: you can look into comments way too much of course

742
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 7: these things, but at that press conference, you know, he

743
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 7: emphasized the amount of time that him and Dak were

744
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 7: going to be spending together now that he's the head

745
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 7: coach and no longer the offensive coordinator.

746
00:34:57,080 --> 00:35:00,640
Speaker 4: It felt like there were limitations placed. Yeah, So it

747
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 4: was funny.

748
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 3: Patrick and I were texting yesterday, not about football, not

749
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 3: about wrestling, not about anything talking about NASCAR. Right, talking

750
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 3: about NASCAR, it's almost a Daytona five hundred. We're in

751
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 3: the middle of February. You know what they do with

752
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,279
Speaker 3: Daytona Because things are going a little too fast around there,

753
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:18,879
Speaker 3: They put a thing on the car called a restrictor plate,

754
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,640
Speaker 3: and you restrict how fast in the airflow of the

755
00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:25,320
Speaker 3: car and goes to keep everybody safe around you. For

756
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 3: some reason whenever that was in the thought process. And

757
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 3: I know not every one of our listeners knows exactly

758
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 3: what a restrictor plate is or what NASCAR even is

759
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,800
Speaker 3: at times. However, when I thought about it, I was like,

760
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 3: that felt like there was a restriction placed on who

761
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 3: could talk to who and where it could talk to anybody.

762
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 4: I think all of that is gone.

763
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 3: I think you've taken the restricted play off because in

764
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 3: terms of the same kind of breath that happened in

765
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 3: that press conference when they were talking about how much

766
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:54,160
Speaker 3: time they're going to spend together, there was a lot

767
00:35:54,239 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 3: of emphasis on communication and relationships and people building and

768
00:35:59,160 --> 00:36:01,720
Speaker 3: leadership build thing. And I don't know if that's always

769
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 3: been the case in the past. There's a lot of

770
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 3: x's and o's, there's a lot of business. I feel

771
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 3: like now there's more of an emphasis on let's try

772
00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:11,719
Speaker 3: and build something together as opposed to try and make

773
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 3: these puzzle pieces fit together.

774
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 5: Well, the inevitable question. You called it the restrict plate, right, Yeah,

775
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,880
Speaker 5: should that have been on in the first place for

776
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 5: a quarterback that you've had for you know, seven season

777
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 5: as an offensive coordinator, as an offensive coordinator as well.

778
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 4: I mean, that's why that stick out. That's what was

779
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:27,279
Speaker 4: weird about.

780
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 5: That's kind of the root of the problem, I think,

781
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:29,680
Speaker 5: and at least.

782
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 4: Rooted.

783
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 5: I who knows, maybe that wasn't the right decision maybe

784
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 5: or maybe it was the right decision at the time.

785
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 3: But disclaimer, we do not dislike Mike McCarthy on this show.

786
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 3: I just want to let it were all very we

787
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:47,600
Speaker 3: were all.

788
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 8: That was the one statement in the press conference that

789
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 8: made me go.

790
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 5: It just didn't for me pull Tim Allen.

791
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 8: But yeah, yeah, I didn't.

792
00:36:57,520 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 7: Sit right with me because I'm like, as an officeer coordinator,

793
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,880
Speaker 7: even though you weren't recalling plays, I would assume that

794
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 7: your number one responsibility will see as your number one

795
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:12,920
Speaker 7: player responsibility is your quarterback always, So if you weren't

796
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 7: spending that time period in that role.

797
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:19,800
Speaker 8: With your quarterback. Why now would you have time to

798
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 8: spend that much.

799
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: Time or I don't think it was left in your time.

800
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:23,840
Speaker 1: I think when you have so many other people to

801
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: be responsible for. Really, I really think it was it

802
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 1: ties back. And then I keep my gut keep circling

803
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 1: back to that comment about lip Biden. I think it

804
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: was a situation where there was a difference in philosophy

805
00:37:34,600 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: between McCarthy and Schottenheimer. And McCarthy and he was well

806
00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: within his rights to do so as head coach and

807
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 1: play caller said, I don't want any potential miscommunication between

808
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: what DAK is expected, what I'm expecting to see from

809
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: DAK philosophy wise, versus what you know Schottenheimer might be

810
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: telling DAK, and not that Schottenheimer would have been trying

811
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: to undermine, but it's just if it was just basic

812
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: conversations and meetings or whatnot, Shottenheimer might say A whereas

813
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: McCarthy is teaching B and that's kind of in the

814
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 1: middle of Okay, which do I go with here? And

815
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,279
Speaker 1: McCarthy being an old school ball coach in the head coach,

816
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:12,000
Speaker 1: he probably was like, I want one message, Yeah, one

817
00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:14,240
Speaker 1: message and one message only, and if you're not preaching

818
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,879
Speaker 1: that message, then don't talk to my quarterback. But Chldheimer

819
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:22,759
Speaker 1: is much more of a right Yeah, yeah it is.

820
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,680
Speaker 1: But Schattenheimer does feel much more of that new age

821
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:31,719
Speaker 1: head coach collective. This everybody get on the same page.

822
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: Let's get everybody's ideas on the table, let's come to

823
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 1: an agree on agreements on what that should look like,

824
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: and then let's communicate that message versus this is my message.

825
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: Get on board, which I feel like that was one

826
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: of the reasons. And I did love Zimmer on the

827
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:45,840
Speaker 1: back end because he turned the defense around, but I

828
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: think that was one of the disconnects with Zimmer and

829
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 1: the pre existing coaching staff that he came in to

830
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: coach his assistance.

831
00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 3: That's one of the reasons why you hired McCarthy in

832
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 3: the first place, because he had a culture, He had

833
00:38:57,239 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 3: a mentality and a system and what he wants.

834
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Speaker 1: And see, shot Heimer doesn't have a hit. He can culture,

835
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 1: so he's wide open as far as Okay, my culture

836
00:39:05,480 --> 00:39:08,080
Speaker 1: is a collective. Yeah, this, get everybody's ideas and let's

837
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,440
Speaker 1: establish it. Whereas Mike Zimmer, Mike McCarthy was like, hey,

838
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:11,880
Speaker 1: I know what I'm doing. This is what we're gonna do.

839
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is different, It is a different miss Uh.

840
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 3: Let's take our second break when we come back. We

841
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 3: got a couple of callers. We're going to try and

842
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:20,480
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Speaker 4: That's pretty good. Thanks. Let's go to Justin Why not?

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Speaker 4: Let's go to Jim Inbassadeen in California. Jim, You're on

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Speaker 4: Talking Cowboys.

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00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 9: Good morning, guys, how are you? I'm okay?

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Speaker 10: Hey?

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Speaker 4: No, seal on.

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Speaker 9: Thank you because you were an ox start in the

902
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 9: summer and you took time to take a picture with

903
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,320
Speaker 9: myself and my daughter, so we'll never forget that. I

904
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 9: love very much.

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00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:12,919
Speaker 5: For all three dollars.

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00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:19,120
Speaker 4: Value such a The only bid was your mom, That's

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00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 4: what it was.

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00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:27,319
Speaker 1: Did get his love off science? Baby, go for it, Jim.

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00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,360
Speaker 9: All Right, I'm going to say something that's not going

910
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 9: to be popular. Okay, all right, I don't understand why

911
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:39,080
Speaker 9: we value Will McLay so much. Let me just play

912
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 9: hold on, hold on twenty three, Hold on the twenty

913
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Speaker 9: three the first and second round were bus and twenty

914
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 9: two the second and third round.

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Speaker 8: Not so good.

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00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 9: In twenty one we might as well have said we

917
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Speaker 9: didn't have a draft besides Parsons, and in nineteen our

918
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,839
Speaker 9: highest pick was a bus. I'm not seeing it. I'm

919
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 9: not seeing the value there. Guys, help me out.

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00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 5: Well, you just said besides Parsons.

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Speaker 9: I think the goal you're the draft one guy.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, man. I think there's a lot of

923
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 4: ro bowlers on the roster because.

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Speaker 5: Of m Tyler Smith. You gotta take into account. I

925
00:43:20,520 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 5: think there are a lot of players that you're kind

926
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Speaker 5: of moving the tras. But doron Bland, but I agree

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Speaker 5: with you that there are guys that he's missed on

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Speaker 5: for or that the organization is missed on.

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Speaker 4: It's the NFL draft in general exactly.

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Speaker 8: Everyone's not gonna be a hit.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, and I think the way you started that too

933
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Speaker 3: when you said twenty three and twenty four, I've been

934
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Speaker 3: as critical as anybody whenever it comes to the twenty

935
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Speaker 3: three and twenty four class, and I'm still on that bandwagon.

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Speaker 3: Outside of your third round picks that just both happen

937
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Speaker 3: to be linebackers, I'm not impressed so far. Mayris leaf

938
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Speaker 3: ou Dubarian overshown from twenty four to twenty three, respectively.

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Speaker 4: Those are draft classes that have not hit yet. But

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Speaker 4: the key word is yet. They're still on your roster

941
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Speaker 4: for the most part.

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00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,319
Speaker 3: So we've seen some good things out of Schoonmaker, We've

943
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 3: seen some good things out of Monzie Smith. It depends

944
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Speaker 3: on how they're able to get out of that right now.

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Speaker 4: No, they haven't lived up to the expectation. Are they

946
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Speaker 4: going to?

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Speaker 3: Time will tell, But right now I think it's it's

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Speaker 3: tough to call both of them a draft bus across

949
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Speaker 3: the way where I think twenty nineteen you could say

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Speaker 3: that's a busted draft. Twenty twenty was one of the

951
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Speaker 3: best drafts you've had in a long time. When you

952
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Speaker 3: had Ceedee Lamb Trayvon Diggs. Yeah, Tyler Biattish, you had,

953
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Speaker 3: you had a number of guys there.

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Speaker 12: With that that made a huge impact five years ago.

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Speaker 3: It was five years ago, but you you've hit in

956
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Speaker 3: twenty two, got Tyler Smith up fromt You've got twenty three.

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Speaker 4: It happens along the way.

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Speaker 7: But there's a there's a partnership here though. Understand this

959
00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,080
Speaker 7: from upper management right in the scouting department. Their role

960
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,280
Speaker 7: is to identify talent and bring talent into building. Correct,

961
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 7: what what what exchange happens from that point, Who's who's

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Speaker 7: been now responsible?

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Speaker 8: There's a thing called coaching.

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Speaker 7: There's a thing called coaching, right, So you can't just

965
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Speaker 7: put all the responsibility on the scouting department.

966
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Speaker 8: They are able to identify needs.

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Speaker 7: Of your team, positional needs, and they are able to

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Speaker 7: fill those needs with talented players. Now, once that exchange happens,

969
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 7: they're now drafted. Their job is now done with those guys, right,

970
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,200
Speaker 7: they turn to guys that are now on other rosters,

971
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Speaker 7: They turn to guys that are in other leagues. It's

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Speaker 7: to coaches now their job to develop. Which is a

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Speaker 7: conversation that we have had on this show many times

974
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 7: in terms of the responsibility of position coaches and why

975
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Speaker 7: there needs to be more of an emphasis place on

976
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 7: position coaches, which is why we're excited about position coaches

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Speaker 7: that are coming upon this roster, because we understand how

978
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Speaker 7: influential they are to the development of players.

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Speaker 8: Just because become a professional.

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Speaker 7: Athlete does not stop your development in terms of growing

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Speaker 7: and getting better. You come in as a collegiate player,

982
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Speaker 7: you develop into a professional athlete, so you have to

983
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Speaker 7: get handed off to a coach who's capable of developing you,

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Speaker 7: which is why Linda Wells is huge.

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Speaker 9: Let me let me, let me make this point by

986
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Speaker 9: my observation, go for it and then coming in hot

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Speaker 9: Kneelan and BB from this year, if you look at

988
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Speaker 9: him when they lose, they're losing with great efforts. They

989
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 9: play like they want to be there, where Maisie Smith

990
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 9: and Schoonmaker there are times they play like they don't

991
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Speaker 9: want any part of it. And I think there's a

992
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Speaker 9: big difference between that. Sure, it gives me hope for

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Speaker 9: it gives me hope for the top three and twenty four,

994
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Speaker 9: and it doesn't give me hope for Smith and Scootmakers.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so let me say this, Jim Number one. What

996
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: Isaiah said stands out fantastically because it's it's a two

997
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Speaker 1: part equation. The scouts are tasked with finding the best

998
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: talent with the highest ceiling. Once they do so, they

999
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: get handed off to the coach. Now, this is why

1000
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:53,320
Speaker 1: you see situations annually around the league where a player

1001
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: leaves a respective team and they go and they thrive,

1002
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 1: right as you know how that feels, right, you know

1003
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: how that feels. So that goes to say that sometimes

1004
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: it's fit, it's scheme, it's coaching, whatever the case may be.

1005
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:09,440
Speaker 1: But once the scout identifies the high level talent, that

1006
00:47:09,680 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: their job is done. So and I agree, and I

1007
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: said this on Twitter. Is Will McLay perfect, absolutely not,

1008
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Speaker 1: but batting average, His batting average is sensational. So for

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Speaker 1: every Taco Charleton, right, you'll get Ezekiel here for taco. Yeah,

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00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 1: I mean, taco, Taco is the thing. Right, We're not

1011
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: gonna pretend Taco's not a thing. We're not going to

1012
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: pretend that Christmas.

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00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,439
Speaker 9: No, No, I didn't know McLay was here during Taco years.

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00:47:34,600 --> 00:47:38,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, so let me remind you. McLay came in

1015
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: twenty twenty eleven, so that means Tyron Smith Is McLay Era,

1016
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Speaker 1: Zach Martin, Travis, Frederick DeMarco, Murray, DeMarcus, Lawrence Zeke, Dak

1017
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Speaker 1: Prescott and Lewis, Tony Potter, Chauncey Ghost and Osa Micah

1018
00:47:48,880 --> 00:47:50,439
Speaker 1: cd Trayvon Deron Blam.

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00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm not a Golson fan, but Okay, Chauncey saved.

1020
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Speaker 3: That was a byproduct of a lot of bad coaching decisions.

1021
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 3: For you, you would be looking on he did as

1022
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 3: an edge Dross Lord Iowa.

1023
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:06,680
Speaker 1: You would be a Chauncy Ghoston fan if the coaching,

1024
00:48:07,000 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 1: to Isaiah's point, had put him on edge and kept

1025
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,839
Speaker 1: him on the edge prior to breaking glass in case

1026
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: of emergency. Last season, so you saw Chauncey Ghost come

1027
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:16,200
Speaker 1: out and have.

1028
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 8: A courier season.

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Speaker 9: I disagree with you on Patrick. I think Chauncey is

1030
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 9: a defensive ends body that should be playing the defensive tackle,

1031
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 9: but he didn't have the body for it. I don't

1032
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,959
Speaker 9: think he can redirect like the defensive endings.

1033
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:30,320
Speaker 1: Well, let me let me ask you this, and I

1034
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 1: love do you think Miles Gart Michael d I was

1035
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: gonna say, do you think that Miles Garrett and Michael

1036
00:48:37,640 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: Parsons possessed the same abilities as d n.

1037
00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 9: The same abilities. I think Miles Garrett has a little

1038
00:48:44,600 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 9: more power.

1039
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 7: They're completely different events, completely different characters like Miles and

1040
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:49,800
Speaker 7: t J.

1041
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, two different. Here's what I asked, do you think

1042
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:57,480
Speaker 1: Tyron Crawford was a five or three? Do you think

1043
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: he was?

1044
00:48:58,760 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 9: I think I think he was a with a high

1045
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 9: motor and a competitive attitude.

1046
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 1: Fair enough, so we'll agree on that. I think Chauncey Ghosting,

1047
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 1: I'm not saying Ghosting is a world beater. I'm saying

1048
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: that he could have been an impact player well before

1049
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:11,799
Speaker 1: he was, which goes to the coaching aspect. But then

1050
00:49:11,880 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: if you fast forward, yeah, you have like the Tristan

1051
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:15,520
Speaker 1: Hills of the world. You want to forget that. You

1052
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: want to forget to right right, You want to forget that,

1053
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: you want to forget that everybody has right. But you

1054
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,279
Speaker 1: coming forward because I know people say, oh, Tyrone was

1055
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: more than a decade ago. Fine, like you said, though,

1056
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 1: Cooper b B. Mary Sleep to Marveon over shown as

1057
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: a Will McLay.

1058
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Speaker 7: Let me ask this question, who's our interior d Lineman

1059
00:49:33,160 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 7: we got rid of that was playing in the playoffs,

1060
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 7: just recently Ridgeway or Ridgeway, No, Phillips, you're talking about

1061
00:49:40,280 --> 00:49:41,240
Speaker 7: Rogers interior.

1062
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 4: No, No, Rogers is with us, you're talking about we're

1063
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 4: talking about Uh, he got.

1064
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 8: A couple of years ago Gallimore Gallimore Galley. Yeah, ally

1065
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 8: was coaching.

1066
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: Huge, Yeah, huge, huge contribution impacted. So so you're not

1067
00:49:58,360 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 1: going to hit on everything.

1068
00:49:59,840 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 4: So we agree with that, Jim, I want to ask

1069
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 4: you one more question out of the NFC. Let's just

1070
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Speaker 4: keep it to the NFC.

1071
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:11,200
Speaker 3: Who were the best draft classing or best drafting teams.

1072
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Speaker 4: In the NFC right now? Who would you put up

1073
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 4: there at the top.

1074
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Speaker 9: I think Philly had a phenomenon.

1075
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 3: Philly is a great point and I think they'll continue

1076
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,040
Speaker 3: to grow into it. Let me add this, since twenty twenty,

1077
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Speaker 3: that was that was the draft. That was the draft

1078
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Speaker 3: you just mentioned twenty twenty and it was five years ago, right.

1079
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 3: Since twenty twenty, the Cowboys have had different players named

1080
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Speaker 3: to fifteen total Pro Bowls. Since twenty twenty, the Philadelphia Eagles,

1081
00:50:36,680 --> 00:50:39,200
Speaker 3: out of their draft class, has only had nine.

1082
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Speaker 9: So let's continue to look at vote by the fans.

1083
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:47,279
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, and then the All pros I think would

1084
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 3: line up to it as well, I didn't count all pros.

1085
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,040
Speaker 1: But also here's some edit context for you, Jim. Look

1086
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: at what Kyle is saying, and now I'll can see

1087
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Speaker 1: too Pro Bowl having a third fan of one hundred

1088
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Speaker 1: percent Tury, but all pros are also an underwoman.

1089
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:01,799
Speaker 4: I don't think this is right. This is no all

1090
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 4: pros for Philly at all since twenty I don't think.

1091
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,760
Speaker 1: But let me let me add this. How many staff

1092
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:12,840
Speaker 1: changes under Will McClay. Have you seen head coach, offensive coordinator,

1093
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator, position coaches consistent and still the talent is

1094
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: coming in?

1095
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:19,600
Speaker 4: Do you see what I'm saying?

1096
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: So again, we're not We're not forgiving the Taco Charletons

1097
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Speaker 1: and the Tristan your pick.

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Speaker 8: We're not players based upon what those coaching staffs want.

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Speaker 1: But what we're saying is from a consistency standpoint, and

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Speaker 1: as far as batting average goes and on base percentage

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Speaker 1: goals for my for my baseball fans, and slugging percentage goals,

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Speaker 1: Will McClay is arguably the best.

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Speaker 8: Put it like this.

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Speaker 7: Will Will McClay would have been the hottest free agent

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Speaker 7: in football had he been out on the streets.

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Speaker 5: He not line he let me leave you with this,

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Speaker 5: I respect, I respect your opinion. Ultimately, I don't know.

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Speaker 9: Alright better in the second round in the last six years,

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Speaker 9: we wouldn't be complaining about spending.

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Speaker 3: I agree, we do agree, and we've talked about that

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Speaker 3: for no doubt. Jim, thank you for the call. We

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Speaker 3: appreciate the conversation. Really was a good yeah, a dialogue.

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Speaker 3: I love it because there that's the thing is a

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Speaker 3: lot of people probably aren't arm bull, aren't on board

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Speaker 3: all the time with our opinions and what we're come

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Speaker 3: to be exactly, however, will McLay that needs to be

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Speaker 3: talked about. I like him what he's like you, Jim,

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Speaker 3: thanks for the call. Nebby, thanks for the call.

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Speaker 4: We got to get out of here.

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Speaker 3: We got the Draft Show coming up at eleven o'clock

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Speaker 3: Twitter or Cowboys YouTube, Draft Show Twitter, so on and

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Speaker 3: so forth.

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Speaker 4: Be short to subscribe because now we're going.

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Speaker 16: Live on YouTube every single episode, like we got to

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Speaker 16: do our feet there. There you go, all right for

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Speaker 16: Patrick Nosey Walker, Josh Rodrick and Isaiah's stand back for

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Speaker 16: Chris Beam in the back of Kyle Yomen, saying so

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Speaker 16: long from Falking Cowboys.

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Speaker 4: We will see you next week.

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