Speaker 1: And That's what You Really Missed with Jenna.
Speaker 2: And Kevin an iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 1: Welcome to and That's what You Really miss podcast.
Speaker 2: Hello Kevin, Hello Jenny.
Speaker 1: This is episode A, season six, episode seven, transitioning. Can
Speaker 1: you tell I'm like, not okay right now?
Speaker 2: You just did this.
Speaker 1: This aired February thirteenth, twenty fifteen, and we are here.
Speaker 1: We are halfway through season six, and my brain's not working.
Speaker 1: So forgive me if I'm mixing and matching words and
Speaker 1: letters and numbers today.
Speaker 2: That generally is how you form a sentence by mixing
Speaker 2: and matching words.
Speaker 1: Jenna said, letters and numbers too, Oh, letters, that numbers.
Speaker 1: This episode is transitioning, and let's get through the news.
Speaker 1: We can talk about this episode in the news. Number
Speaker 1: one song uptown Funk. No surprise here.
Speaker 2: The number one movie is fifty Shades of Gray.
Speaker 1: WHOA. Do you remember the phenomenon of these books?
Speaker 2: Yes, I went to the premiere of this.
Speaker 1: I feel like I saw this.
Speaker 2: I'm sure I read the books.
Speaker 1: I read the books.
Speaker 2: Oh, you read the books.
Speaker 1: I read the books.
Speaker 2: Did you like them?
Speaker 1: I love them? I thought the phenomenon was the books
Speaker 1: like and yeah, the movies were fine, but like the
Speaker 1: books were excellent, titillating, literally really crazy. They were just
Speaker 1: like it was a new form.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it started a whole news.
Speaker 1: Transitioned like well transition. Oh ok there was like a
Speaker 1: transition of like what was appropriate raising the bar in
Speaker 1: some ways. I don't know, Okay, anyway, this is not
Speaker 1: a shades of great podcasts. I have more questions about
Speaker 1: it though, Okay, I don't know that I have answers.
Speaker 2: They're probably not inappropriate to ask.
Speaker 1: Also, based on Twilight fan fiction, which makes so much sense.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that.
Speaker 2: You didn't know that. Nope, Nope, that's fine. That means
Speaker 2: you're healthy and not on the internet as much as
Speaker 2: I am.
Speaker 1: Gray, right, that was yeah, all right, I glean used speaks.
Speaker 1: On February ninth, Glee, the music Transitioning the EP was released.
Speaker 1: It featured six tracks from episode six, Season six, episode seven,
Speaker 1: So He Told You, and it was released for digital
Speaker 1: DOWNMO Told You.
Speaker 2: This episode Transitioning was directed by our executive producer Dante
Speaker 2: Di Loretto. He was also the head of Ryan Murphy
Speaker 2: TV at the time.
Speaker 1: Residente and This was written by Matthew Hodgson, our friend,
Speaker 1: Uh we got Jama back this episode.
Speaker 2: Thank God. Not enough, but at least we got some. Okay,
Speaker 2: let's talk about the music. Yeah, you give Love a
Speaker 2: bad Name performed by Vocal Adrenaline, Same Love.
Speaker 1: This was performer Unique and will God.
Speaker 2: All about that Bass performed by Mercedes Roderick and Alumni
Speaker 2: and New Directions.
Speaker 1: Oh this Somebody Loves You Buddy who performed with Blaming Kurt.
Speaker 2: Time after Time performed by Rachel and Sam and I
Speaker 2: Know Where.
Speaker 1: I've Been The song of the episode performed by Unique
Speaker 1: with the trans person schoir.
Speaker 2: So some fun facts. This is the first episode of
Speaker 2: season six in which the entire main cast appears.
Speaker 1: Oh, this is the first episode since Trio, a gap
Speaker 1: of sixteen episodes in which Jama appears.
Speaker 2: Too long. That's longer than the last season. I don't
Speaker 2: like it, agreed. This is the first time Alex appears
Speaker 2: since the show's moved to New.
Speaker 1: York, and this is also the first and last time
Speaker 1: Unique sings in season six, sadly making it the last
Speaker 1: time Unique sings in the series.
Speaker 2: No, I mean this is a way to go out, though.
Speaker 2: This is one my best numbers ever on the show. No,
Speaker 2: I know, No, No, The transgender choir in this episode
Speaker 2: has over two hundred members unbelievable.
Speaker 1: RuPaul's Drag Race Season fifteen winner Sasha Colby and RuPaul's
Speaker 1: Drag Race All Stars Season six winner Kylie Sonique Love
Speaker 1: make an appearance in the episode as part of the
Speaker 1: transperson squair.
Speaker 2: Jenna, you don't know who they are, do you know?
Speaker 2: So there's a joke amongst drag queens and drag fans
Speaker 2: that Sasha Colby is the Beyonce of drag where she's
Speaker 2: your drag queen's favorite drag queen. She's she's just the best.
Speaker 1: Did you meet do you know?
Speaker 2: I have met Sasha Colby? And Sasha Colby is so kind,
Speaker 2: so sweet, so talented, so hot, Oh my god's and
Speaker 2: also liked.
Speaker 1: Sasha Colby just make her drag daughter Chapalan Now.
Speaker 2: Well that's sort of yeah, that's why Chapelane says that
Speaker 2: statement about herself, like I'm your favorite artist's favorite artist
Speaker 2: because of Sasha Colby.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, okay, I'm putting.
Speaker 2: Is so incredible, Like just the fact that they were
Speaker 2: both in this and it's I mean, this number, this
Speaker 2: number is already iconic, and I hate to use that word,
Speaker 2: but it actually it is is iconic legitimately, and these
Speaker 2: two are like two of the most famous trans people
Speaker 2: I think in the world and entertainment, and they're both
Speaker 2: so talented and they're so kind, and it's just I
Speaker 2: can't believe they graced us with their presence, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, this number just it goes it is. I
Speaker 1: don't know, it's beyond, it's just beyond. It's so good.
Speaker 1: The plan weekly lessons written on the board behind Curt
Speaker 1: and Rachel in the last scene are Britney three point zero,
Speaker 1: Murder Ballads The York and Biggie versus two.
Speaker 2: Oh thank god some of those. When Rachel and Sam
Speaker 2: are looking at photos in Rachel's room, you can spot
Speaker 2: a photo from her Funny Girl audition. It shows the
Speaker 2: original members of the New Directions, but in the actual scene,
Speaker 2: Rachel was just imagining them there with I love that.
Speaker 2: I love that, you too. I do really love that.
Speaker 1: It's really funny.
Speaker 2: Like I don't know if that was on purpose, regardless,
Speaker 2: I'm into it.
Speaker 1: Okay, what is the Fox publicity summary?
Speaker 2: Will takes desperate measures to teach the bullies vocal ajournaline
Speaker 2: about tolerance Meanwhile, New Directions rallies to help Rachel transition
Speaker 2: into her new life while she hold on this is
Speaker 2: crazy that this is the episode's summary. I'm sorry why
Speaker 2: we know what this episode's about, right? What happens in
Speaker 2: this episode and this is the summary? Yeah, Will takes
Speaker 2: desperate measures to teach the bullies of vocal a journaline
Speaker 2: about tolerance. Meanwhile, New Directions rallies to help Rachel transition
Speaker 2: into her new life when she finds out her childhood
Speaker 2: home has been sold. Nothing about Coach Beasts. Hmmm, I
Speaker 2: mean I get it in terms of I'm sure this
Speaker 2: they thought this was like the safe way to play it, you.
Speaker 1: Know, well it is the safe way to play it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but like, come on, way to play it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not saying it's the right way to play it,
Speaker 1: is the safe way to play it. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: we're doing here. Okay, Okay, Well let's let's let's wait
Speaker 1: for Coach Bees. Let's not let's leave her to say
Speaker 1: the best for last, because there's just lots to say
Speaker 1: about that. So there's a lot of transitioning happening in
Speaker 1: this episode, though, the different ways. Yes, so Rachel is
Speaker 1: now we found out that her gay dads were being
Speaker 1: getting divorced and so they were selling the house. And
Speaker 1: I'm not playing it. I'm not doing the safe out
Speaker 1: with Kevin.
Speaker 2: Why can't they just be dads?
Speaker 1: They can just be dads. But you know what, gay
Speaker 1: is better? You're right, their gay dads are being right?
Speaker 1: Is am I not supposed to say it that way?
Speaker 2: I'll stop being homophobic. No, it was me.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think it's better.
Speaker 2: Day is good?
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, gay is the way?
Speaker 2: Are you ever mad? You're not? Yes, like settling by
Speaker 2: being straight.
Speaker 1: I'm always settling, settling by being straight. Even my husband
Speaker 1: would say that, like we're settling by being straight because
Speaker 1: like I feel like all of our friends are gay,
Speaker 1: so like ultimately, like the gay.
Speaker 2: Is better, and even like Alessandra's she's a gay man.
Speaker 1: No, no, yeah, even more than I'd say more than me,
Speaker 1: which I like pains me to say.
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, but there's a wide variety of gay men.
Speaker 2: You're both kids, great, we are both gay men anyway.
Speaker 1: Okay, dads are getting divorced and they're selling their house,
Speaker 1: and she's having like a really hard time like coming
Speaker 1: to terms with like selling her childhood home. Which like
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. I feel like for me,
Speaker 1: I would be like nostalgic about it, But I don't
Speaker 1: know that I would be like devastated like her. Do
Speaker 1: you would you?
Speaker 2: I think I would. I think when it's all you've known,
Speaker 2: especially when she's gone through so many challenges in the
Speaker 2: past like a year or so, for her character like
Speaker 2: to always have had that safety net, that home and
Speaker 2: her dad's I think it probably is really startling. Also,
Speaker 2: it's like that's where she and Finn fell in love,
Speaker 2: right and memory it is like all those memories with
Speaker 2: Finn and everything that like she probably she loved high
Speaker 2: school and I loved that experiences good and the bad, right.
Speaker 1: I think Also, like the smaller stakes in the show
Speaker 1: are actually like the bigger stakes are like make them
Speaker 1: bigger and that's better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, way exactly.
Speaker 1: Okay. So then Sam and Kurt decide that they're going
Speaker 1: to help and they're gonna make uh, They're gonna throw
Speaker 1: like a going away party for her and her childhood
Speaker 1: home in the basement where we did blame it on
Speaker 1: the alcohol, which was really fun.
Speaker 2: And they also decide that the theme this week for
Speaker 2: Glee Club is transitioning. Mmmm, and this is one of
Speaker 2: those things.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I mean, you guys, a big part of
Speaker 1: it is that you guys spend a lot of time
Speaker 1: in this episode in that basement. Did it feel familiar
Speaker 1: to do another thing in that basement like that whole
Speaker 1: episode we did? And you know, for blame it.
Speaker 2: Oh, I was stoked to be back in that basement.
Speaker 2: But nothing but good memories in that basement. And this
Speaker 2: was also fun. The other thing going on is the
Speaker 2: Curtain Blaine of it all right, right, yes, and Curtain
Speaker 2: Blaine are still sort of you know, they kissed to
Speaker 2: get out of that elevator, but it meant nothing. It
Speaker 2: meant nothing, right, and so they're trying to be adult
Speaker 2: about it and like there aren't any feelings. We have
Speaker 2: moved on, we're healthy, you know, they both have boyfriends,
Speaker 2: like everything is fine. And so when this duet's idea
Speaker 2: comes up for transitioning, they're going to sing some duets
Speaker 2: A new person and an old person. Yeah, us being
Speaker 2: the old people. M hm.
Speaker 1: Ar.
Speaker 2: He has this wheel of musical fortune. Then everybody gets
Speaker 2: up to spin the wheel to see who they're going
Speaker 2: to do it with. And Kurt, you know, fudges it
Speaker 2: so he can sing with Blaine in the basement, which
Speaker 2: leads us, you know, which sets us up for the
Speaker 2: ensuing chaos and drama of the episode.
Speaker 1: The wheel is really funny.
Speaker 2: I love a prop.
Speaker 1: I love the wheel. I love that already came up
Speaker 1: with that. I also think it's so funny. That was
Speaker 1: it Sam, That was like, why can't you just pick
Speaker 1: these out of a hat? Right? And your look, you're
Speaker 1: the look on your face. But the wheel is really
Speaker 1: fun So love a wheel, Love the prop.
Speaker 2: It's also like, you know, anytime you get to do
Speaker 2: anything remotely different in that choir room is a gift.
Speaker 2: I also don't understand how Arty is still there, Like
Speaker 2: why aren't you at school?
Speaker 1: You just moved back and you didn't say anything about it.
Speaker 2: Like did he drop out? What happened?
Speaker 1: This is a weekend. I feel like if you asked
Speaker 1: ian a Brad, they'd be like, you took the train
Speaker 1: home for.
Speaker 2: The weekend, but it's not a weekend. They're in school, oh.
Speaker 1: Right, right, right right. But they'd be like, ten doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the real answer.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about this party. What was it like to
Speaker 1: to film in this party?
Speaker 2: I think this is why I feel like I know
Speaker 2: the new kids so well.
Speaker 1: You spend time with them here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, when you're in that basement, it's
Speaker 2: a little comfy. Yeah, you don't really need to leave.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: On some of the other sets, you like go back
Speaker 2: to your trailer, the basement set really feels like a basement,
Speaker 2: and so everyone just sort of hangs out and we
Speaker 2: had to rehearse, so there's dance rehearsal, so there's just
Speaker 2: more time for everyone to be together, and there were
Speaker 2: just a lot of us. And also when you're forced
Speaker 2: to mix and dance with each other, you're just there
Speaker 2: gabin talking, getting to know each other. So I think
Speaker 2: this is a big reason why I felt closer to them.
Speaker 1: I hear that.
Speaker 2: It was also just a really great moment because we
Speaker 2: got to do our friend Betty whose song, and I
Speaker 2: really was very excited about that.
Speaker 1: I mean, that song is so much fun. I love
Speaker 1: that their version. I think it's so cute.
Speaker 2: And it's perfect for their storyline and it's like, really
Speaker 2: they're playing with fire though, Like if this was real
Speaker 2: life and these two exes who are with other people
Speaker 2: and keep telling each other they're not in love with
Speaker 2: each other and then they sing a song called Somebody
Speaker 2: Loves You that went famous for a marriage proposal. Oh
Speaker 2: you step in in it, dirty ass dogs, like we
Speaker 2: know what is up?
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 2: And then the kiss, the kiss, something is happening to
Speaker 2: where I just believe them more as a couple.
Speaker 1: Now, I totally agree, I totally agree. I think it's
Speaker 1: because we've really been able to see the arc of
Speaker 1: them not being together and then somebody dating somebody else,
Speaker 1: even though like that kind of feels fake to me,
Speaker 1: like the Karofsky and Blaine of Vidal is like feels
Speaker 1: a little fit to me. But like seeing them not
Speaker 1: be able to be together, it's not so easy. It
Speaker 1: hasn't come like, oh they're together and they're just like
Speaker 1: a perfect couple, and they go through a little bit,
Speaker 1: it's like they're not together. We want them so badly
Speaker 1: to that. Like right now, watching like the ins and
Speaker 1: outs of like a relationship that isn't isn't fully in
Speaker 1: or out is so exciting because.
Speaker 2: It's also the test ye where yes, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's too easy for you guys just to get married already, right,
Speaker 2: Like can we not do that? Every couple on the show,
Speaker 2: that's what they talk like, So yeah, to give them
Speaker 2: some sort of obstacle like this is very rewarding to
Speaker 2: watch as a fan of the end of viewer and
Speaker 2: also like.
Speaker 1: The so they kiss, they do the number and they
Speaker 1: kiss and then.
Speaker 2: And then.
Speaker 1: Krooski basically guesses that something happened. Then he's something acting
Speaker 1: so suspicious.
Speaker 2: Blaine is acting like he just buried a body, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but they have such like a mature
Speaker 1: like I'll look on even though they lived together.
Speaker 2: Do you think Blaine was scared because Kowski has been
Speaker 2: violent in the past to Kurt physically violent. What do
Speaker 2: you mean, like, oh, do you think he was scared him?
Speaker 2: That's why he's acting so suspicious, because he's scared.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's scared.
Speaker 2: I don't either, But.
Speaker 1: That's a good one. No, I don't think so. I
Speaker 1: think it's just that I think they're good people, right,
Speaker 1: Like Blaine's a good person, and they they have good
Speaker 1: integrity and so they're not like going behind each other's backs,
Speaker 1: and just like outwardly, I think he has like a
Speaker 1: good conscience and like head on his shoulders that like
Speaker 1: he's he's feet feeling really guilty about it because he
Speaker 1: knows he did something that he's not supposed to do
Speaker 1: and that like it's gonna hurt somebody else. And so
Speaker 1: I think that's why.
Speaker 2: But you know what Blaine has done twice now cheated?
Speaker 1: Mm hmmmmm. You're right. This is showing growth. Okay, this
Speaker 1: is showing real growth.
Speaker 2: That wow, he cheated twice and told them twice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but also like he's not just hiding it and
Speaker 1: going mind somebody's back, like cheating him multiple times, like
Speaker 1: it's been a one off experience that like Ben has
Speaker 1: like broken him down. Now, Yes, no, cheating is not okay. Now.
Speaker 2: I think we give Blaine a lot of credit because
Speaker 2: he seems like a sweet guy. But those lips are loose.
Speaker 1: I know. I I see what you're saying now, though
Speaker 1: that aside, you're right, you're not wrong, You're not wrong.
Speaker 1: I do. I do agree that I feel like this
Speaker 1: really gives us like a different like touch on their
Speaker 1: relationship and like viewpoint from their relationship of like really
Speaker 1: getting to see that it's not so it's not all
Speaker 1: sunshine and rainbows, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yes, And I think also setting up like for Blaine
Speaker 2: having a mature breakup like that sets him up for
Speaker 2: a healthy yes next.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, which is coming.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's finish them out because then Blaine goes, you
Speaker 2: know what we're done. I'm gonna go tell Kurt. For
Speaker 2: some reason, he goes to the school at night, after hours.
Speaker 2: I don't know why people are hanging out there, but
Speaker 2: Kurt is there with his man and comes out and
Speaker 2: Blaine looks shocked, and then Rachel and Sam come out.
Speaker 2: It's a funny scene.
Speaker 1: M hmm.
Speaker 2: There's some good comedy and there's some nice blocking. I
Speaker 2: thought Dante did a great job directing this episode. I
Speaker 2: did you.
Speaker 1: And it felt very cohesive.
Speaker 2: It did. Yeah, yeah, it just goes to.
Speaker 1: Show too, like with people who know our show, who
Speaker 1: this was I think his directorial debut, but like somebody
Speaker 1: who's been around our show for so long, like you
Speaker 1: just like click in and you like get it, you know.
Speaker 2: Yes, And it was also right for him to like
Speaker 2: Dante as a gay man. Yeah, it was very knowledgeable
Speaker 2: and wise and had great advice about these things. And
Speaker 2: for him to be directing an episode like this, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: the transitioning episode, and like he was crying as they
Speaker 2: were filming it like it was I'm getting ahead of myself.
Speaker 2: But so Blaine lies and it's like, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: I was here to tell Rachel something. Then Rachel comes
Speaker 2: up and then he's like, she's like, oh, you need
Speaker 2: to tell me something, Oh you know what, I actually don't.
Speaker 2: And then Kurt's like, we're going on a double date.
Speaker 2: Do you want to come with Krofski? And he just
Speaker 2: says no. And it's sad, but you know, a cheater
Speaker 2: can't always get what they want right away. Give it
Speaker 2: a couple of episodes. He always comes crawling back to you.
Speaker 2: Back so back at the Basement.
Speaker 1: At the Basement, I really liked.
Speaker 2: Seeing all the new kids mixed with the old kids,
Speaker 2: and they're all just so nice and talented. We get
Speaker 2: some crazy musical numbers. In addition to Somebody Loves You,
Speaker 2: we also get all about that Bass, which.
Speaker 1: Is a really fun number. And those two look, yeah
Speaker 1: you could they could sing the phone they read sing
Speaker 1: the phone book like whatever. Put have them saying happy
Speaker 1: Birthday to me over and over again. Put it on
Speaker 1: a I don't care like anything works. I would like
Speaker 1: to really see them like go like I want to
Speaker 1: see a song where they can go. But it was
Speaker 1: really fun and I like this little duo, Like they
Speaker 1: were really cute together.
Speaker 2: I needed eight more episodes of them just doing duets, yes, straight,
Speaker 2: like just that.
Speaker 1: Can we just have an album of duets?
Speaker 2: And then we have all these sweet scenes of Rachel
Speaker 2: in her bedroom and like looking at that, you know
Speaker 2: the one thing she can't pack up all her memories,
Speaker 2: the thing with Sam.
Speaker 1: Look, I I'm getting it now. The Q and Q
Speaker 1: and as we've done where you guys write in and
Speaker 1: you like, you know, hot takes where you say like
Speaker 1: Sam and Rachel are endgame, Like I really like this
Speaker 1: support that Sam is providing for Rachel. He's like a
Speaker 1: really good sounding board and they really balance each other
Speaker 1: out in a way. Now we see the Bookcord with everybody,
Speaker 1: or with Sam with every buddy, like even Sam and
Speaker 1: Mercedes we love too, but like this is a really
Speaker 1: good pairing right now. I'm really here.
Speaker 2: For it because Chord has chemistry with everybody. It's insane
Speaker 2: and and it's genuine. I'm not like trying to chalk
Speaker 2: it up to like, oh that's just Chord being like
Speaker 2: these characters really work together and they were also very
Speaker 2: very close friends, so I think that was also very helpful.
Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. I think also like towards Yeah yeah, no, no,
Speaker 1: that's right.
Speaker 2: And they seen time after time together.
Speaker 1: What a funny number, funny song.
Speaker 2: So their voices couldn't be more different than one another.
Speaker 1: Is your way of saying their duets are not your favorite?
Speaker 2: I don't know. I uh, I still buy it, and
Speaker 2: they're different. I enjoy the chord and Amberg duets more. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, duets.
Speaker 1: Duets like not every not every voice is gonna match, like,
Speaker 1: not every duet is going to be perfect, do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Yeah, but yes, they do a
Speaker 1: very sweet time after time, and uh, it's just funny
Speaker 1: to like, I can't unsee blame it on the alcohol
Speaker 1: when you're do the same, cannot see it.
Speaker 2: I yeah, I don't really have many memories of shooting this,
Speaker 2: to be honest.
Speaker 1: That's really funny. Did it take more than one day?
Speaker 1: It had to. You had to be in that room
Speaker 1: for a couple of days.
Speaker 2: I think we're there for two days. I remember like
Speaker 2: going in there to rehearse. That's when Amber famously told
Speaker 2: me somebody said, oh, we should play a game. And
Speaker 2: then Amber was in a mood and said, I don't
Speaker 2: play a game. I'm a grown ass woman.
Speaker 1: Like that made it down the That made it down
Speaker 1: the pipeline at some point because I remember that and
Speaker 1: I wasn't there.
Speaker 2: It was so fun. I remember where I was.
Speaker 1: I feel scared if it was a newbie who said that.
Speaker 1: And she said that, and they were like okay.
Speaker 2: And it was to the room, you know, and I
Speaker 2: lost it because she was so serious and she was
Speaker 2: sitting in a chair you could tell like she was
Speaker 2: over it. I was sitting in the wheelchair on the
Speaker 2: other side of the room, and she goes, Oh, I
Speaker 2: don't play games. I'm a grown ass woman.
Speaker 1: You asked Cameron. Now you'd be like, you want to
Speaker 1: play Caitan, She'd be like yeah.
Speaker 2: Even then she played games. We played Mafia Regular, which
Speaker 2: I think is what I said, what are you talking about.
Speaker 2: I was like, no, I don't play games. I'm like okay, okay.
Speaker 1: So that concludes the basement.
Speaker 2: It was so worth it for I don't know how
Speaker 2: it got brought up, but she It's one of my
Speaker 2: favorite memories of her. Also, who thinks that just the
Speaker 2: thinking of like grown as people can't play games because
Speaker 2: they're adults.
Speaker 1: Well that's it. That is Actually it's like making jealous.
Speaker 1: It's ridiculous, all right. So we also have Will who
Speaker 1: is still at vocal adrenaline and he is of Jamis back.
Speaker 1: We've got Emma around, and he's kind of in this
Speaker 1: he's having a hard time between enjoying all of the
Speaker 1: perks that come with being and feeling like a man.
Speaker 1: I guess of like feeling he has nice things and
Speaker 1: feeling really set up in a way, and like I
Speaker 1: get yeah, I get that. I think there's like when
Speaker 1: you have kids and a family to look after, like
Speaker 1: sometimes sometimes in your life, and I think it's okay,
Speaker 1: Like there are times where security is important and it's
Speaker 1: a true priority, right, security and comfort. But on the
Speaker 1: other hand, what's the most important, and I agree, is
Speaker 1: like your kids absorb everything that you do on the
Speaker 1: day to day and like watching you do something that
Speaker 1: you love has to be the way, right, it has
Speaker 1: to be the way or they will see it and
Speaker 1: they they take in everything.
Speaker 2: So is that why you do this podcast? Because your
Speaker 2: kids can see you loving, loving, seeing me.
Speaker 1: Yes, working with Uncle Kevin. That's right. I can tell
Speaker 1: my kids that I worked with my best friend from
Speaker 1: two thousand and eight to twenty twenty five. We're done
Speaker 1: after this black where this episode is over. We're done
Speaker 1: after this episode.
Speaker 2: By the way, great never contact me again. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I know it's fine because it's true, though, like if
Speaker 1: you're not doing what you love, which we have, Like,
Speaker 1: I feel like everybody in this industry right now is
Speaker 1: on this like precipice of like trying to find the
Speaker 1: joy in this still and it's so hard and like
Speaker 1: having kids or whatever it is, or just living by
Speaker 1: your morals and integrity of like being like I want
Speaker 1: to do something that I love every day and wake
Speaker 1: up feeling excited about. Like Will is at that place
Speaker 1: he's in that it's on the precipice of something important.
Speaker 1: So I think I really appreciated that watching like the
Speaker 1: sounding board that Emma is for Will in this moment,
Speaker 1: and like him not being in it, comfortable in this
Speaker 1: even though he loves the comfort of it.
Speaker 2: He's always been someone that's been driven his heart totally
Speaker 2: and heart for better or for worse. And you know,
Speaker 2: it feels like that he's already had some conflict with
Speaker 2: the head of Vocal Journaline the lead boy, and so
Speaker 2: there are two instances of bullying that happened Vocal Journaline
Speaker 2: Egg Rachel and Kurt oh No, Rachel and Blaine right,
Speaker 2: and then Coach Beast walks out to a slur written
Speaker 2: on his car and we see the Vocal Journaline team
Speaker 2: driving away, and Sue sits down with Will and Beast
Speaker 2: and they talk about it and Will does some reverse
Speaker 2: psychology on them, and we'll get to what follows there.
Speaker 2: But the real focus of this episode is Coach Beast
Speaker 2: because Coach Beast makes his debut as Sheldon mm hmmm hm,
Speaker 2: and you have dots really powerful performance, and.
Speaker 1: I support Sue as well, like coming in very quickly
Speaker 1: knowing that like everybody's.
Speaker 2: There, Sue and Sam stepping it up.
Speaker 1: Love it Sam is It's It's funny though, because Sam
Speaker 1: is just so awkward and but like his intentions are
Speaker 1: so are pure.
Speaker 2: Well, he's just he's so bold and I guess with
Speaker 2: his intentions, yeah, yeah, so unapologetic, yeah yeah yeah, and
Speaker 2: then that can be like the real sincerity of that
Speaker 2: can feel almost overwhelming or awkward because it's just like
Speaker 2: pure sincerity. Yeah, it's like coord where you're just like
Speaker 2: he is loyal, he cares about his people, doesn't care and.
Speaker 1: However that comes out, it comes out right right, but
Speaker 1: it's really sweet. I like it. I like that.
Speaker 2: Has this just turned into a Chord Overstreet fan?
Speaker 1: It has been for long time.
Speaker 2: I will say out in these streets too, Jenna and
Speaker 2: I when we've seen other people from the show, and
Speaker 2: Cord will get brought up or something and someone may
Speaker 2: make like Chord to the end all the ready joke,
Speaker 2: and Jenna and I have been defending and speaking up
Speaker 2: about how good Chord is on this show.
Speaker 1: I'm like, have you seen these seasons?
Speaker 2: Because Jenna and I, fully I don't know who was
Speaker 2: we were talking to. We were like no, no, no,
Speaker 2: you don't understand. We shut them down.
Speaker 1: We were like, get get on board.
Speaker 2: And they weren't even saying anything bad. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: we just made like a passing like joke or something.
Speaker 2: We're like, no, no, no, no, But you don't realize
Speaker 2: he has to do this episode and.
Speaker 1: Just like, fully, we're awful we're.
Speaker 2: Not getting invited to anything ever again.
Speaker 1: No, no, we should always be invited because we are
Speaker 1: advocates for all of our friends. So Will brings back
Speaker 1: in this whole, in this whole storyline with vocal adrenaline
Speaker 1: in acting a fool will brings back Unique, Unique, and
Speaker 1: we had Alex Nowell has graced our screens once again,
Speaker 1: thank God, thankfully, and Unique and Beast connect and it's
Speaker 1: really sweet. It's so sweet, and I love that they
Speaker 1: did that. I love that they brought these two characters together.
Speaker 2: The generational divide or lack thereof with this is that
Speaker 2: is really interesting to watch. And how the younger person
Speaker 2: who has had to deal with all the horrible things
Speaker 2: that happened in high school plus being trans in high school,
Speaker 2: helping someone come out as trans later in life. It
Speaker 2: was just really something beautiful. Yeah, to watch they present
Speaker 2: their own set of challenges right right, But I thought
Speaker 2: subject that could have gone horribly horribly wrong. Yeah. I
Speaker 2: thought the performances in the writing was pretty delicate here, yeah,
Speaker 2: and like really well done. So during this Beast and
Speaker 2: Unique have a conversation and then shoot and Unique, oh
Speaker 2: we're gonna kip over that have a performance and that's
Speaker 2: all well say, you know for me. Okay, So we
Speaker 2: just keep going, yeah, keep going, okay, keep it moving.
Speaker 2: So what I was saying earlier about the about the
Speaker 2: reverse psychology. Yes, yes, yes, yes, no, sorry, I think
Speaker 2: we moved on from Coach Beast too fast.
Speaker 1: Now we'll go back to it. We're gonna go back
Speaker 1: to it. We're gonna go to it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he brings vocal adrenaline to McKinley. He's like, oh,
Speaker 2: we're gonna pull a prank on the vocal on a
Speaker 2: new directions, and so he brings vocal ajournaline into like
Speaker 2: a dark and quiet and empty McKinley auditorium, and then
Speaker 2: Unique walks out on stage and starts singing mm hmm
Speaker 2: and sing sanging.
Speaker 1: Well, this song is so good and so powerful, and
Speaker 1: then Unique and Alex singing, this song is unreal. Have
Speaker 1: to go put this on my Spotify right now. And
Speaker 1: then more importantly, the transferson in the choir of two
Speaker 1: hundred trans friends on stage.
Speaker 2: Was so I don't even it was overwhelming powerful.
Speaker 1: It was that's right, it was overwhelming. You had said
Speaker 1: you would went and well, and also like Sheldon Beasts
Speaker 1: being there in the choir, the way it was shot,
Speaker 1: like like kind of gracing the whole choir and then
Speaker 1: back to Alex and then to Dot at the end
Speaker 1: was like, oh I am, oh god, it is so good.
Speaker 1: You went and watched them film this, well we're.
Speaker 2: In the wings, but you know how they shoot it
Speaker 2: like we're not there for the whole performance, right, So
Speaker 2: I remember going up early and watched them rehearse it
Speaker 2: and shoot it, and it was just because we're not
Speaker 2: in the numbers, so we hadn't heard it yet.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh.
Speaker 2: So the first time I heard it, that curtain opens
Speaker 2: up and then it's like, oh my god, wow, oh
Speaker 2: my god. And I felt like we hadn't done something
Speaker 2: like that powerful and emotional in a hot minute. And
Speaker 2: and I was not any sort of educated on trans
Speaker 2: people at all, but they were singing to feel it,
Speaker 2: to see them just.
Speaker 1: The power of having everybody in the room like that together.
Speaker 2: And also I walked in everyone was already emotional, and
Speaker 2: so Dante's crying, the camera operators are, Yes, everybody was emotional.
Speaker 2: And that was like one of those things where like
Speaker 2: that is the magic of Glee, Like we haven't felt
Speaker 2: that in a minute, And when you are impacting your
Speaker 2: like crew family that we have known for seven years
Speaker 2: at this point, like oh this is a good one. Yes,
Speaker 2: yeah for sure, And those people come from all walks
Speaker 2: of life, every type of background, and to see like,
Speaker 2: you know, something like that affect them in this way,
Speaker 2: is you know, the intention of I think of telling
Speaker 2: that story in the first place, because I think sort
Speaker 2: of the demographic makeup of the crew is also like
Speaker 2: the type of people that are watching this show that
Speaker 2: may not be exposed to that right normally. And it
Speaker 2: was just yeah, it was. It was a really really
Speaker 2: like beautiful moment, and the story is you know, then
Speaker 2: Will's like, now you guys are assholes. I'm out, Like
Speaker 2: that's sort of like I'm not doing this anymore. You
Speaker 2: guys want to do this, go ahead, go for it.
Speaker 1: You want to be and Will ends up becoming their
Speaker 1: volunteer at with Curtain Rachel for the consultant the Glee
Speaker 1: Club the volunteer consultant. But I like that scene because
Speaker 1: it brings it back like we're really at the tail
Speaker 1: end of this season. We're getting there, We're getting back
Speaker 1: to that point where I was like Will comes back
Speaker 1: because he sings to us and that Lads episode I
Speaker 1: remember that, but him like giving that speech was the
Speaker 1: heart you were talking about of Like I'm realizing that
Speaker 1: this is where I he's like, you guys are coaches
Speaker 1: coming in and out, Like I, this is where I belong. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and so it's exciting that he'll be there and have
Speaker 1: him back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it just makes sense. And I also like it
Speaker 2: wasn't just a quick like you're the coach now.
Speaker 1: Right right, And and just a shout out to Dot,
Speaker 1: who we had on the podcast, for taking this so
Speaker 1: seriously the storyline and doing research and you know, I
Speaker 1: think Dot had mentioned that she has also portrayed other characters. Oh,
Speaker 1: I won't spoil too much, but she talks about having
Speaker 1: played a trans character in a show in one of
Speaker 1: Ryan's other pilots, so she had kind of done this
Speaker 1: before and you know, really spoken with the trans community
Speaker 1: and to get it right, right, Like, she takes this
Speaker 1: very seriously and deeply, and I think she did a
Speaker 1: beautiful job with you know, wanting to represent them properly
Speaker 1: because uh, she it's not something like she has a
Speaker 1: person is not somebody who takes anything lightly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she cares and like she just wants to give
Speaker 2: it the respect that it deserves, not the story be
Speaker 2: told authentically as possible.
Speaker 1: Right right, right, So kudos to Dot. Should we write
Speaker 1: some numbers.
Speaker 2: Yes, let's you give love a bad name.
Speaker 1: I mean it's a vocal adrenaline performance.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's solid A A minus.
Speaker 1: Fine same love f Z. Yeah, it doesn't exist all
Speaker 1: about that base. Hey, hey, somebody loves you A plus.
Speaker 2: A plus time after time B plus plus.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I know where I've been A infinity.
Speaker 2: A infinite correct was like, how do we make this
Speaker 2: big enough? A infinity?
Speaker 1: Never gotten that before? Okay, TARTI takesh some cringe moments.
Speaker 2: There's still a lot of fat shaming. I don't get it.
Speaker 2: I don't know why there's so many fat jokes. Sue
Speaker 2: is just like, yeah, it's just it's too much. I know.
Speaker 2: She's like, you know, the cheerleading coach, athleticism, taking care
Speaker 2: of your body, but like.
Speaker 1: It was a time it was It's.
Speaker 2: Like yeah, but it's like one of those things that's still.
Speaker 1: Like let's just drop it is.
Speaker 2: Lingering, like we've dropped other things, Like why is that
Speaker 2: still lingering?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. Best
Speaker 1: the move Billy's breakdancing, that's right that he like learned, Okay,
Speaker 1: it's so good. The best song obviously, I know where
Speaker 1: I've been.
Speaker 2: I know where I've been. Shout out to Betty who
Speaker 2: for somebody loves you.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Best performance by prop obviously the Wheel of Fortune,
Speaker 1: thank you very much. Best line.
Speaker 2: Sue did have a really good one when she's talking
Speaker 2: to Sheldon and says, Hey, coach, I want you to
Speaker 2: know that I've been, that I've taken steps to battle
Speaker 2: the scourge of cist normativity and trans misogyny. In some
Speaker 2: other terms I had never heard of until I did
Speaker 2: a quick Wikipedia search this morning, which I appreciate.
Speaker 1: I liked this one and I'm gonna go a little
Speaker 1: sappy or not sappy, but like b says in his
Speaker 1: scene with Unique, I don't want to always be special
Speaker 1: though it does that make sense?
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah, that's a very good one.
Speaker 1: Performance MVP. I say dot dot, no question dot with
Speaker 1: a with a shout out to Alex Yes for sure.
Speaker 2: Okay, Jenna, should we found on TikTok you ready, I'm ready? Okay?
Speaker 2: This one is wild. So two fish dot tattoo posted
Speaker 2: doing my favorite tattoo requests so far, gleeks. This is
Speaker 2: for us. Someone requested doing grilled cheeses and then she
Speaker 2: shows shows us the drawing. Oh, it's so good. It's
Speaker 2: so good.
Speaker 1: That is really funny, grilled Jesus.
Speaker 2: Wow, it's phenomenal. Honestly, Wow, that's hilarious. And I actually
Speaker 2: I'm down for that tattoo. I'm not mad at that
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 1: Really, you like it? I actually love it. I think
Speaker 1: it's brilliant.
Speaker 2: Okay, we have a bonus. Shit, we found a TikTok.
Speaker 2: It was a little cameo from one of our friends.
Speaker 2: It's the scene where Sandy Ryerson is talking about Josh
Speaker 2: Grobin and when they say who is Josh Grobin? And
Speaker 2: he says, who's Josh Grobin? And then Josh Grobin shows
Speaker 2: up and instead of saying you know yourself, Josh Grobin says,
Speaker 2: love yourself. It's very wholesome.
Speaker 1: That's I love it. I love it well. Josh Grobin
Speaker 1: has been an icon for me since day wan, so
Speaker 1: it's a still huge fan.
Speaker 2: Josh Grobin has been an unproblematic king for decades. Do
Speaker 2: you remember Josh Grob listen kid, Josh Grobin would put
Speaker 2: out an album and it would easily sell four million
Speaker 2: physical copies every time.
Speaker 1: We love Josh Grobin. Okay, thanks for joining us. We
Speaker 1: have dot Marie next week to actually talk about this
Speaker 1: episode and and about Sheldon B. So tune in and
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